Just listening to corny about the matches and travel schedule brings back my fondest memories of pro wrestling. The NWA in my mind was the best choice, far better than WWF. Not even close in my opinion. I miss it like crazy 😔😌
I was an NWA fan, and my buddy was a WWF fan back then. The first time he spent the night at my house, that next morning he was a rock and roll express fan. He said it best, the wwf looks like a Michael Jackson video and the nwa looks like a fight.
Am I wierd that, when I hear these various blow by blow account of old school wrestling tours and weeks that I want to see a "Sim Wrestling Promoter" game come out? I'd play it. :)
I was at the Forum show, which was the first wrestling show I ever went to. It looked about half full and I sat in the six rows from the ring. I took plenty of pics and enjoyed it. Btw, the Atlanta finish where Bubba interfered and the Midnights were disqualified when Tommy Young found Bubba's hat in the ring was the same finish here in L.A.
My parents took me to The Asheville Civic Center in Asheville, NC every time NWA came there in the mid 80's! So often that the Chamber Of Commerce let us park there for free! I've seen TV Tapings & all. I lived for this!
I remember the show in Cincinnati. Ric Flair wrestled Sting for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship. It was the first wrestling show I ever attended. I have been hooked ever since.
i was at Bash 87 July 2 Capital Centre, D.C. . Full house 18 000 fans, 8-man cage match 'Dream Team' (SPowers + LOD) vs Horsemen. This was two days before Wargames. Half of this match is on youtube. Huge card.
Can you imagine archiving all these dates, attendance and payoffs in notebooks with 0 knowledge that podcasts would ever be a thing then it all comes in handy for podcast entertainment 30 years later and makes you a great living 😅
I've lived in Fayetteville, NC my whole life. I went to some late eraJim Crockett Promotions/early WCW shows when I was a kid between 1988-1990. Even went to the Clash of the Champions that was in Fort Bragg in June 1989. Was always great seeing pro wrestling live back then.
When you talked about “card subject to change”, sometime in the late 80’s my favorite WWE wrestler, Steamboat, was advertised to come to Columbus, OH. I begged my family to take me and Steamboat was replaced with Greg Valentine. I was embarrassed as a 10 year old kid.
I remember going to a house show in Knoxville, TN in the Summer of 97 that had Ric Flair advertised on the card only to learn when main event time rolled around that Ric was nowhere in Knoxville but was already in Columbia, SC for Monday Nitro the following night getting ready for that. But, we made up for it that December when Nitro came around and seeing Hall and Nash that night.
@@apr8189 also Jim's told the story about how Ric Flair almost jumped to the WWF at that time because Flair was sick and fed up with Bischoff and there was actual heat going on between them but I think (correct me if I'm wrong) Flair had attorneys or lawyers that wouldn't allow him go into the Greensboro Colosseum.
@@connordripps1480 if I'm not mistaken, that sounds about right. Ric was in Greensboro the night during Unforgiven 1998 and was ready to come out there but hus lawyers stopped him from showing up.
@@apr8189 I think the lawyer's name was John Taylor in Atlanta. If they had Ric come in that night, it would've been the best moment of the show. I think the plan was to have Ric come in and sit down with his family in the front row and have JR come to the front row and interview Reid who at that point won some sort of national wrestling tournament in North Carolina.
I feel ya. I bought tickets to SmackDown that advertised a Dean Ambrose/Miz IC Title Match and a John Cena match. By the time the show started, Miz was feuding with Cena and there wasn't an IC match, I was NOT happy.
Having been in The Summit which is now Lakewood Church.. I can tell you that 34,000 is a pretty empty place for a place who used to seat thirty thousand on a good night.
Wargames 92 in my humble opinion is the best one. You had a lot of top stars like Bobby Eaton, Arn Anderson, Rick Rude, Steve Austin, etc etc. The first five minutes of the match, Stunning Steve is bleeding from being run into the cage by Barry Windham. One of the best and certainly one of the wildest wargames matches I've seen.
Thanks for calling out Jax,fl...our city was BOOMING back then!...the Gator Bowl and the Colosseum right next to each other with events at the same time!...Florida championship wrestling had fizzled out by then
How many times has the Midnight Express wrested the Rock & Roll express for the tag team titles? I’m guessing it’s got to be a few hundred times? Maybe a thousand???
Bash 87 was the best, overall, no question! Flair defended like 34 times in 28 days, or something like that... and the matchups were amazing BUT, the travel plan was made by some insane fool, like dropping a crazy ball into a tilta-whirl
Leroy Brown He kept notebooks full of dates venues matches results attendance payoffs everything... I bet he could make some decent cash if he turned them into books
I know this was 6 years ago But even six years ago i think 1985 100 bucks went further than 2018 250 bucks. My stepdad dad was a fulltime route manager at a snack and chip company in 1985 and he said he made about 190 bucks a week - my friend is a route manager at a beverage company *now* and makes 800 a week
Why can't Vince just reopen the territories?!?!? He owns most of the older more prestigious promotions so open them back up. AWA for the Mid-West. WCW for the South.
As a North Carolina boy that grew up on Ric Flair, Sting, Ricky Steamboat, The 4 Horsemen , Lex Luger, Vader, Ron Simmons, The Road Warriors, The Steiner Brothers etc. , no one misses Southern Wrestling more than me but I don't Vince to touch it because he has shit on every NWA/WCW wrestler that he signed. Plus look what he did to ECW, I'm not the biggest ECW fan but if I was it would be like watching Vince bend Sandman, Taz, RVD, and Shane Douglas over and having his way with them. What I wish is that Billy Corgan would open up the NWA as a South East Territory and have the guys really learn how to work instead of doing what TNA and ROH did which from scratch start as a nation wide company and try to copy a failing WWE.
Brian Rose I agree. I'm from Norfolk/Hampton VA so I love Mid-Atlantic/JCP/NWA/WCW. Vince can open them but they'll never run by others. I can't wait to see what this new NWA has to offer. I like ROH, their numbers are at an all-time high thanks to the Bullet Club and great booking. TNA/Impact/GFW could be great but I think another year and it's over for the promotion.
Brian Rose I'm not big on the WWE. I hate the fact that they distance themselves from pro wrestling. The fact that Vince owns the names of all these great pro wrestling promotions sickens me. I'm just saying if he owns them why not open up 2 or 3 so that the WWE roster can all work. Everyone can work, learn, get over, & put on better shows.
Clifton Smith that's called flooding the market. It's big business at first, but quickly will devalue wrestling worse than what it is now. Too much of something is a bad thing. You pretty much described what nxt is/does. If you're into hardcore watch iwa-mid south. If you're into pure wrestling watch roh or njpw.
Does any here remember this event in 1987 at the Miami Orange Bowl. And during an intermission a motorcycle dare devil jumped into the upper deck Of the West end zone that was covered half way with a net but died when he could not hold onto the net And tumbled to the ground?
Getting paid off the house made all live events better. Selling more tickets at live events meant the workers made more money. So git gud or get no moneys.
Waylon Jennings was who they pulled the plug on in Jacksonville in 86. They wanted to get the show started and put the main event on early so they wouldn't have to issue refunds in case they got rained out. Also, the show in Chicago on July 19 didnt start until 7:30 or 8pm. The Midnight/RNR Express match went on last. So if they had worked from 2pm to 4pm in Roanoke they would have had plenty of time to fly to Chicago.
I’m a geek for this ish, just great stories, of Real Pro Wrestling
I could listen to guys like Cornette, Arn Anderson and Flair all day and not get tired of it.
Just listening to corny about the matches and travel schedule brings back my fondest memories of pro wrestling. The NWA in my mind was the best choice, far better than WWF. Not even close in my opinion. I miss it like crazy 😔😌
I was an NWA fan, and my buddy was a WWF fan back then. The first time he spent the night at my house, that next morning he was a rock and roll express fan. He said it best, the wwf looks like a Michael Jackson video and the nwa looks like a fight.
Am I wierd that, when I hear these various blow by blow account of old school wrestling tours and weeks that I want to see a "Sim Wrestling Promoter" game come out? I'd play it. :)
Total Extreme Wrestling is the game you're looking for.
Took a look at it. It seems fairly...sterile...for this sort of thing, but worth a try.
Simon Leary no your not weird. I dream about it often. You are a true pro wrestling fan my friend 👍
MDickie made a few wrestling games
I was at the Forum show, which was the first wrestling show I ever went to. It looked about half full and I sat in the six rows from the ring. I took plenty of pics and enjoyed it. Btw, the Atlanta finish where Bubba interfered and the Midnights were disqualified when Tommy Young found Bubba's hat in the ring was the same finish here in L.A.
I was born July 29 of that year, and apparently they were doing an Atlanta TV taping that day. 😂
1987 represent 👊
Love hearing stories from JC about the days of the territories and the traveling and everything else. Absolutely brilliant!!
I really thin the 80s was great with all the territory’s . I’m going backwards hopefully I can find some 70s stuff
these are my favorite shows where Jimmy gives terrific details of a week or two on the road. Please keep these shows coming!
My parents took me to The Asheville Civic Center in Asheville, NC every time NWA came there in the mid 80's! So often that the Chamber Of Commerce let us park there for free! I've seen TV Tapings & all. I lived for this!
I was at the charleston, wv show....flair n dusty in the main event....great show
For many of us, wrestling was never any better than it was during this tour
I remember the show in Cincinnati. Ric Flair wrestled Sting for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship. It was the first wrestling show I ever attended. I have been hooked ever since.
I am jealous man!
i was at Bash 87 July 2 Capital Centre, D.C. . Full house 18 000 fans, 8-man cage match 'Dream Team' (SPowers + LOD) vs Horsemen. This was two days before Wargames. Half of this match is on youtube. Huge card.
I remember the War Games in 87 at the Orange bowl in Miami....Thanks dad❤
The house in Atlanta was so large because that was the first Wargames match...
I can remember that lumberjack match at the Philly Civic Center in '87! OMFG rackets were flying!
Can you imagine archiving all these dates, attendance and payoffs in notebooks with 0 knowledge that podcasts would ever be a thing then it all comes in handy for podcast entertainment 30 years later and makes you a great living 😅
I've lived in Fayetteville, NC my whole life. I went to some late eraJim Crockett Promotions/early WCW shows when I was a kid between 1988-1990. Even went to the Clash of the Champions that was in Fort Bragg in June 1989. Was always great seeing pro wrestling live back then.
hard times, baby, hard times
When you talked about “card subject to change”, sometime in the late 80’s my favorite WWE wrestler, Steamboat, was advertised to come to Columbus, OH. I begged my family to take me and Steamboat was replaced with Greg Valentine. I was embarrassed as a 10 year old kid.
I remember going to a house show in Knoxville, TN in the Summer of 97 that had Ric Flair advertised on the card only to learn when main event time rolled around that Ric was nowhere in Knoxville but was already in Columbia, SC for Monday Nitro the following night getting ready for that. But, we made up for it that December when Nitro came around and seeing Hall and Nash that night.
@@apr8189 also Jim's told the story about how Ric Flair almost jumped to the WWF at that time because Flair was sick and fed up with Bischoff and there was actual heat going on between them but I think (correct me if I'm wrong) Flair had attorneys or lawyers that wouldn't allow him go into the Greensboro Colosseum.
@@connordripps1480 if I'm not mistaken, that sounds about right. Ric was in Greensboro the night during Unforgiven 1998 and was ready to come out there but hus lawyers stopped him from showing up.
@@apr8189 I think the lawyer's name was John Taylor in Atlanta. If they had Ric come in that night, it would've been the best moment of the show. I think the plan was to have Ric come in and sit down with his family in the front row and have JR come to the front row and interview Reid who at that point won some sort of national wrestling tournament in North Carolina.
I feel ya. I bought tickets to SmackDown that advertised a Dean Ambrose/Miz IC Title Match and a John Cena match. By the time the show started, Miz was feuding with Cena and there wasn't an IC match, I was NOT happy.
Best believe Waylon Jennings was pissed about getting cut off early 😂😂
Lol I heard he cut a promo on Jimmy Crocket
"Last people the Indians beat was Custer."
Literally lmao! Cornette's the best!
Jonni Roxville u can't use the phrase cornette's the best because Brad the Volfan has that trademarked.
I made the mistake of looking up Brad the VolFan, going to his instagram, and being blasted by gay porn. At work.
literally laughed your ass off? i'd seek help at a medical facility!!
Greenville, we called it G’Vegas. It’s an awesome town, spent many weekends there during my time in the Corps.
Having been in The Summit which is now Lakewood Church.. I can tell you that 34,000 is a pretty empty place for a place who used to seat thirty thousand on a good night.
Deion Sanders took off almost an entire season for Turf toe, you tour your ACL and only miss 10 days!?!!!
War games 87 the best wrestling match ever
I don't know if it was the best wrestling match, but it was definitely the best War Games by far!
Watch 1992 - better IMHO
Mark Spoor Maybe, but the crowd was unreal loud in '87, so loud that when Animal entered the cage, you couldn't hear the announcers.
Wargames 92 in my humble opinion is the best one. You had a lot of top stars like Bobby Eaton, Arn Anderson, Rick Rude, Steve Austin, etc etc. The first five minutes of the match, Stunning Steve is bleeding from being run into the cage by Barry Windham. One of the best and certainly one of the wildest wargames matches I've seen.
Thanks for calling out Jax,fl...our city was BOOMING back then!...the Gator Bowl and the Colosseum right next to each other with events at the same time!...Florida championship wrestling had fizzled out by then
Man this brings back so many memories of watching wrestling on WTBS every week back in '86 and '87.
This is 1987-88 deep dive omnibus part 1
I was at the Scope in Norfolk and it was sold out and the crowd was hot hot that night.
Willie Heard That was always a great wrestling arena... even in the Nitro era. It was always a hot crowd.
How many times has the Midnight Express wrested the Rock & Roll express for the tag team titles? I’m guessing it’s got to be a few hundred times? Maybe a thousand???
magnum flew in helicopter to great american bash in Charlotte that year!!
Bash 87 was the best, overall, no question!
Flair defended like 34 times in 28 days, or something like that... and the matchups were amazing
BUT, the travel plan was made by some insane fool, like dropping a crazy ball into a tilta-whirl
The July 11th 1987 Oklahoma City card is when Dr. Death won the uwf title.
I miss the old days!!
Landover, MD....the Capital Center! Classic venue that's no longer around.
I can't believe this guy remembers all of this shit. Amazing.
Leroy Brown
He kept notebooks full of dates venues matches results attendance payoffs everything...
I bet he could make some decent cash if he turned them into books
He has been on record of having a somewhat long term memory of almost everything that happened. It's amazing.
The behind the scenes of this show is wild as fuck
I'm sorry for the ocd Jim but it makes for good content
I know this was 6 years ago
But even six years ago i think 1985 100 bucks went further than 2018 250 bucks.
My stepdad dad was a fulltime route manager at a snack and chip company in 1985 and he said he made about 190 bucks a week - my friend is a route manager at a beverage company *now* and makes 800 a week
I was at that Jacksonville Show.
Did they route these towns by closing their eyes and throwing a dart at a map?
I have the '87 bash on tape somewhere
magnum flew in helicopter to great american bash in Charlotte that year!!
Onl
David Allen Coe I believe was the country artist.
13Lazyrus oh Lord lol.i remember him
Where Is All The Footage From The 87 Tour? Surely More Was Recorded Than What's On The Home Video Release!
There was probably $85,000 spent on airline tickets!
Jesus Christ all that traveling is insane. I can't imagine how today's routing is compared to the routing back then.
just listening to Corny saying what they made is worth the listen....then to say guess where next?????
😁😁😁😁😁
Mr. Bundle of sticks
Almost positive I was at the Norfolk Scope.
I just this weekend drove from Columbia, SC to Lakeland, FL. This video made my day!
The WWE can use you to represent some of the wrestlers that have NO mike skills
Nope. Jim always stated time and time again that he's not going to the WWE because of 'sports entertainment'.
The 87 tour was beyond awesome!
Stormy Davis
Ever see the backstage video that one of the boys took w/a cam corder?
Hawk is so coked up
👍👍👍👍👍
Why can't Vince just reopen the territories?!?!? He owns most of the older more prestigious promotions so open them back up. AWA for the Mid-West. WCW for the South.
As a North Carolina boy that grew up on Ric Flair, Sting, Ricky Steamboat, The 4 Horsemen , Lex Luger, Vader, Ron Simmons, The Road Warriors, The Steiner Brothers etc. , no one misses Southern Wrestling more than me but I don't Vince to touch it because he has shit on every NWA/WCW wrestler that he signed. Plus look what he did to ECW, I'm not the biggest ECW fan but if I was it would be like watching Vince bend Sandman, Taz, RVD, and Shane Douglas over and having his way with them. What I wish is that Billy Corgan would open up the NWA as a South East Territory and have the guys really learn how to work instead of doing what TNA and ROH did which from scratch start as a nation wide company and try to copy a failing WWE.
Brian Rose I agree. I'm from Norfolk/Hampton VA so I love Mid-Atlantic/JCP/NWA/WCW. Vince can open them but they'll never run by others. I can't wait to see what this new NWA has to offer. I like ROH, their numbers are at an all-time high thanks to the Bullet Club and great booking. TNA/Impact/GFW could be great but I think another year and it's over for the promotion.
Brian Rose I'm not big on the WWE. I hate the fact that they distance themselves from pro wrestling. The fact that Vince owns the names of all these great pro wrestling promotions sickens me. I'm just saying if he owns them why not open up 2 or 3 so that the WWE roster can all work. Everyone can work, learn, get over, & put on better shows.
Clifton Smith that's called flooding the market. It's big business at first, but quickly will devalue wrestling worse than what it is now. Too much of something is a bad thing. You pretty much described what nxt is/does. If you're into hardcore watch iwa-mid south. If you're into pure wrestling watch roh or njpw.
I wish I was there as I live in New York I really only saw WWF in the 80's as a boy but nwa Crockett was my favorite wrestling
Does any here remember this event in 1987 at the Miami Orange Bowl. And during an intermission a motorcycle dare devil jumped into the upper deck Of the West end zone that was covered half way with a net but died when he could not hold onto the net And tumbled to the ground?
Eric Carmen is great & made a hell of a lot more money than you
Eric carmen had one hit and then dropped of the face of the earth shut up dude
@ted dymski how many of his songs can you name either than all by myself
I love your shit jim but Trump has nothing to do with it
Corny!!!!!
Cornette thinks its 1987 now
Getting paid off the house made all live events better. Selling more tickets at live events meant the workers made more money. So git gud or get no moneys.
Jim injuries his knee before the Bash tour starts. Not a good way to start. Like I've said before, Jim's not as smart as he thinks he is.
Waylon Jennings was who they pulled the plug on in Jacksonville in 86. They wanted to get the show started and put the main event on early so they wouldn't have to issue refunds in case they got rained out. Also, the show in Chicago on July 19 didnt start until 7:30 or 8pm. The Midnight/RNR Express match went on last. So if they had worked from 2pm to 4pm in Roanoke they would have had plenty of time to fly to Chicago.
Did Jim ever smoke?