I think one of the great things about Ric Flair is how he used to sell the top babyfaces in interviews. He would talk about several matches, including his own... and call out so many different babyfaces during interviews sometimes that it built the reputation of all of them and built up the company. I believe there are many that really don't know how much Ric Flair actually did for the company... not just obivous stuff.
@@ricstormwolf Because it was the Southen Boys and the US Tag titles it makes sense to me. Its good to have a fast pace opener to get the crowd into the show.
20:21-21:01 Actually only Luger wore a pair of Roos wrestling boots that night, not Flair. And funny enough Luger would wear a pair again in his match against Mean Mark (Undertaker) at the Great American Bash 1990.
When i look back at 1990 in pro wrestling, it was a great decision for Mark to go north to the WWF (as WWE was known at that time) and make his career there.
06:40 Walter Brown Arena is on the campus of my alma mater, Boston University. In 1990, and when I was there later in the decade of the '90s, Walter Brown Arena was BU's hockey arena. It's now BU's hockey practice facility. It seats about 3,000. Until the first time I heard Corny tell this story (maybe two years ago), I didn't know any wrestling shows ever ran there! lmao
Hmm, that secondary location in Pittsburgh sounds like the A. J. Palumbo center. Two blocks from the Civic Arena. The best part of shows there were hearing your voice (couldn't see worth a crap)
I was at everyone one of those Bayfront center shows. I miss that arena. I remember Flair wrestling hour long mains there in front of 2500 3000 people and working like it was a wrestlemania match. Much love !
I remember Wildcat Wendell Cooley on worldwide in 1990, that was the year I first saw WCW. He did a few squash wins but his knees were very heavily braced.
Buddy Landel is the bizarro Nature Boy. He’s from an alternate universe where Nature is a glorified jobber😂 never understood why he wouldn’t just come with his own gimmick. He was actually pretty entertaining all the way round.
I didn't just grow up in and still live in New Brunswick, I still live here, and I've played hockey in the building in Saint John that he talks about. It was a terrible little arena that would eventually cave in. Best case they wouldn't have fit 400 people in there.
The Toronto venue sounds like Varsity Arena, which became Ricoh Coliseum, which is NOW Coca Cola Coliseum. Saw an American Hockey League game in that rink in 2007. Not a bad venue at that time.
He spent some time as a job guy on WWF TV before quitting wrestling and fading into obscurity. I hear he's in Dallas working a day job as a hardware store clerk.
Raised in saginaw, jim is right. It is the asshole of Míchigan. When I was a kid my dad almost got us thrown out of the matches because he was hitting Corny with ice cubes during a Big Bubba vs Brad Armstrong match in saginaw.
I just don't get why Corny can't get that Turner did not buy a wrestling company, they bought a TV property. It's no different than vaudeville going from touring to TV...because that's where they money was. There was a reason WCW gave guaranteed money, because they weren't looking to draw a house, they wanted TV rating to sell advertising...and WWE has become WCW. They get $230 million from TV rights. That's what Turner wanted from Herd...and Flair, Corny, etc were still trying to do vaudeville.
Both of y'all are correct in your own way. The problem, ultimately, was a difference in corporate vision. Turner, being a broadcasting and media company, simply didn't visualize turning a profit through revenue gate fees; it was something their business plans never took account for, by sheer fact that they were a broadcasting company, not venue promoters. So their emphasis was picking up advertisers through ratings and gaining buy-rate. It also probably plays a part (among other things) that Bill Watts didn't work out when he ran WCW. While previously known as a brilliant promoter in his territory, he didn't fit the Turner company's vision of providing television content. It was probably the (one) thing Bischoff really did understand (though what made for great television content he was still just spit-balling most of the time--a couple of times he got lucky, the rest of the time, not really).
Give the people what they want. The people weren't paying over a million dollars a year in every city for a tv show. They apparently wanted vaudeville. Turner bought a successful company that got in a little trouble and promptly killed it. Got a big hit for a few years, and then killed it for good.
They bought a wrestling company that produced television and turned it into a television show that produced wrestling. WWE just produces garbage for the lowest common denominator. House shows are dead, as are ratings, buy rates and everything else concerning that hole of a company.
He bought a pro-wrestling company that he wanted to become a tv property. If you want people to watch, it still needs to be fucking good. They still had studio audiences for variety shows. Pro-wrestling without a crowd looks like shit, and no one will fucking watching it. Oh, and there's also the simple fact that when people aren't buying tickets, they aren't watching it on fucking tv either. Having a reason doesn't make it the right thing to do. Wrestlers aren't actors. Guaranteed money, past a certain point, is a mistake in pro-wrestling. Always has been, always will be. What WWE does now is irrelevant. Herd didn't have any idea what he was doing. Cornette still has all his old data sheets. Flair's booking got the ratings up, Herd's constant interference fucked them up.
The tour might have been weak the summer but to me Sting 🦂 coming back after 5mths from his knee injury to The GAB "New Revolution" and winning The NWA 🌍 HWT was fuckin everything to me. Hands-down 👐/👇 the best feel-good moment in the history of pro wrestling 🤼♂️ IMO 😃 💯 ‼️
I think one of the great things about Ric Flair is how he used to sell the top babyfaces in interviews. He would talk about several matches, including his own... and call out so many different babyfaces during interviews sometimes that it built the reputation of all of them and built up the company. I believe there are many that really don't know how much Ric Flair actually did for the company... not just obivous stuff.
Flair always put his opponents over. In promos and in ring. It's a lost art
When I was a kid in the 80’s reading PWI I didn’t realize Ole Anderson was a person, I thought they were calling Arn Anderson “Ol” Anderson “.
I'm from Boston and I laugh hysterically picturing Jim on tracks downtown panicking, lmao.
That Midnight-Southern Boys match was great. It was the perfect example of how to open a PPV.
That match is first on the VHS of the show, but the actual opener was Flyin' Brian against Buddy Landell
It was the 5th match on the show.
You don't put the Midnight Express on the first match.
@@ricstormwolf Because it was the Southen Boys and the US Tag titles it makes sense to me. Its good to have a fast pace opener to get the crowd into the show.
I was actually at the show in Boston Jim talks about here. 33 years ago. Wow. Where does time go? I really enjoyed the show too.
I just discovered these Cornette stories a little over a week ago. I have a new respect for Corny and could listen to this guy every day.
I could listen to Cornette and his stories all day long and not get bored. Great insight from the old days of pro wrestling.
Cornette's probably the only guy in the world who would cope with being sick by eating A Wendy's Quadruple.
"The Wendy's Quadruple: Life is short. Make it shorter."
Double meat double cheese
@@ronniejdio9411and extra mayo
4:18 that Ole impression is absolutely amazing. Cornette is the man
probably spot on with his opinion too.
20:21-21:01 Actually only Luger wore a pair of Roos wrestling boots that night, not Flair. And funny enough Luger would wear a pair again in his match against Mean Mark (Undertaker) at the Great American Bash 1990.
When i look back at 1990 in pro wrestling, it was a great decision for Mark to go north to the WWF (as WWE was known at that time) and make his career there.
1990 Bash was a tour. I still have my Great American Bash 90 7/11 Bash Cup
That proves absolutely nothing, not a damned thing.
06:40 Walter Brown Arena is on the campus of my alma mater, Boston University. In 1990, and when I was there later in the decade of the '90s, Walter Brown Arena was BU's hockey arena. It's now BU's hockey practice facility. It seats about 3,000. Until the first time I heard Corny tell this story (maybe two years ago), I didn't know any wrestling shows ever ran there! lmao
now you know there was one.....so
Funny i never knew that ether and i was born in Boston Massachusetts
I was at the Brantford, Ontario, Canada show mentioned at about 25:00 hahaha!
Rainsville AL 😶😲😶that's my neck of the woods - never would have thought anything came to rainsville for any reason
Hmm, that secondary location in Pittsburgh sounds like the A. J. Palumbo center. Two blocks from the Civic Arena. The best part of shows there were hearing your voice (couldn't see worth a crap)
Who else wants Jim cornette to manage the revival in aew? Even my auto-correct wants it
Wish in one hand and shit in the other see which fills up first.
no "tour" on 1990 just the PPV in Baltimore
I was at everyone one of those Bayfront center shows. I miss that arena. I remember Flair wrestling hour long mains there in front of 2500 3000 people and working like it was a wrestlemania match. Much love !
I grew up in new Brunswick Canada and just want to thank jim being nice when talking about thw province
Ha, I once dated a girl from Saint John NB
I have relatives in NB, beautiful province.
Beautiful place, but boring as hell unless you love the outdoors
Walter Brown Arena was where Travis Roy became paralyzed during a Boston University ice hockey game. Roy died October 29, 2020.
I remember Wildcat Wendell Cooley on worldwide in 1990, that was the year I first saw WCW. He did a few squash wins but his knees were very heavily braced.
That train has been rolling over lackluster cards for nearly thirty years now and shows no signs of slowing.
I'm a Wildfire fan. But the way he said: Tommy Rich beat Buddy Landel (pause) in 1990. LMAO!!!
Buddy Landel is the bizarro Nature Boy. He’s from an alternate universe where Nature is a glorified jobber😂 never understood why he wouldn’t just come with his own gimmick. He was actually pretty entertaining all the way round.
Im from New Brunswick Canada, hour and a half from Fredericton. Can confirm, NB sucks pretty hard.
Lolol sucks
Same here im from moncton but its not that bad
When I was in the 3rd Grade, my Sting ROOS was TheBomb!
I didn't just grow up in and still live in New Brunswick, I still live here, and I've played hockey in the building in Saint John that he talks about. It was a terrible little arena that would eventually cave in. Best case they wouldn't have fit 400 people in there.
Well, that's really odd that a Road Warrior sort of teamed with a Varsity Club member, but maybe they made up by then.
I could listen to this fella talk about wrestling all the doo dah fucking day long.
Every time Corny goes to the Maritimes he gets sick. Some one poisoning him up there?
Now that's what I call heel heat!
Hearing these stories is actually interesting considering I was born in May of 1990.
The Toronto venue sounds like Varsity Arena, which became Ricoh Coliseum, which is NOW Coca Cola Coliseum. Saw an American Hockey League game in that rink in 2007. Not a bad venue at that time.
These guys are a great team.
I was at the show in ozark alabama. It was the drizzling shits.
Niaaaaagra Falls, and slowly i turned, step by step, inch by inch
This is 1989-90 deep dive omnibus part 2
Mark Callous before he went on to the WWF a few months later. I wonder what ever became of him.... #Undertaker
He spent some time as a job guy on WWF TV before quitting wrestling and fading into obscurity. I hear he's in Dallas working a day job as a hardware store clerk.
Him and his brother who lost his orthodontist license for malpractice. I feel bad for those guys.
We have found Captain Obvious
I mean... Saint John sucks, but Fredericton is alright... not that... you know... I would know or anything.
Raised in saginaw, jim is right. It is the asshole of Míchigan. When I was a kid my dad almost got us thrown out of the matches because he was hitting Corny with ice cubes during a Big Bubba vs Brad Armstrong match in saginaw.
This was Stings first world title win over flair
No shit, you don’t say
@@nicholasfarrell8403 Come say it to my face and I'll stomp your ass smartass
Shaun Smith is that supposed to be intimidating
@@nicholasfarrell8403 It don't matter to me if it intimadates you or not
@@shaunsmith7928 When you can't spell a word that was already spelled for you.
Jim is such a boomer 😂🤣😂🤣😂I don't know anyone under 40 who is proud of their work. It's literally just a means to survive.
Why WCW was shit in early 90, was... 3:49. Look at the booker...
No reason outside of pure incompetence that WCW didnt roast the WWF in the 90s. WWF was so bad and unwatchable until the 97
I just don't get why Corny can't get that Turner did not buy a wrestling company, they bought a TV property. It's no different than vaudeville going from touring to TV...because that's where they money was. There was a reason WCW gave guaranteed money, because they weren't looking to draw a house, they wanted TV rating to sell advertising...and WWE has become WCW. They get $230 million from TV rights. That's what Turner wanted from Herd...and Flair, Corny, etc were still trying to do vaudeville.
That's not the style that brought in fans or people who would be watching those advertisements.
Both of y'all are correct in your own way. The problem, ultimately, was a difference in corporate vision. Turner, being a broadcasting and media company, simply didn't visualize turning a profit through revenue gate fees; it was something their business plans never took account for, by sheer fact that they were a broadcasting company, not venue promoters. So their emphasis was picking up advertisers through ratings and gaining buy-rate. It also probably plays a part (among other things) that Bill Watts didn't work out when he ran WCW. While previously known as a brilliant promoter in his territory, he didn't fit the Turner company's vision of providing television content. It was probably the (one) thing Bischoff really did understand (though what made for great television content he was still just spit-balling most of the time--a couple of times he got lucky, the rest of the time, not really).
Give the people what they want. The people weren't paying over a million dollars a year in every city for a tv show. They apparently wanted vaudeville.
Turner bought a successful company that got in a little trouble and promptly killed it. Got a big hit for a few years, and then killed it for good.
They bought a wrestling company that produced television and turned it into a television show that produced wrestling. WWE just produces garbage for the lowest common denominator. House shows are dead, as are ratings, buy rates and everything else concerning that hole of a company.
He bought a pro-wrestling company that he wanted to become a tv property. If you want people to watch, it still needs to be fucking good.
They still had studio audiences for variety shows. Pro-wrestling without a crowd looks like shit, and no one will fucking watching it. Oh, and there's also the simple fact that when people aren't buying tickets, they aren't watching it on fucking tv either.
Having a reason doesn't make it the right thing to do. Wrestlers aren't actors. Guaranteed money, past a certain point, is a mistake in pro-wrestling. Always has been, always will be.
What WWE does now is irrelevant.
Herd didn't have any idea what he was doing.
Cornette still has all his old data sheets. Flair's booking got the ratings up, Herd's constant interference fucked them up.
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The Midnight Express were washed up has beens by 1990 regardless of what Jim says
The tour might have been weak the summer but to me Sting 🦂 coming back after 5mths from his knee injury to The GAB "New Revolution" and winning The NWA 🌍 HWT was fuckin everything to me. Hands-down 👐/👇 the best feel-good moment in the history of pro wrestling 🤼♂️ IMO 😃 💯 ‼️
The Starblazer ???