There’s a lot going on in the world right now, and so posting a video about something so inconsequential is a bit awkward, however I decided to go ahead and release this today and postponing it from yesterday because I think distractions can play a positive role for some during times like this. I’ve made a $500 to each of three organizations that I believe to be doing great work to work towards ensuring every American has the liberties and rights they deserve. If you want to help and have the means to donate, I’d encourage you to look into these organizations: The American Civil Liberties Union: www.aclu.org The National Police Accountability Project: www.nlg-npap.org The NAACP Legal Defense Fund: www.naacpldf.org
Rich people traveling faster while everyone else suffer from noise pollution. Should the health cost be included in the price? EDIT: Supposed to be its own post, not a reply.
There was a concept called the rotodyne which essentially was kind of a combination of aircraft and helicopter. th-cam.com/video/dkJOm1V77Xg/w-d-xo.html It could have potentially worked in the city center and short haul markets.
@@rachel1426 but people have all that money to speculate with because of an inflated supply of currency... If supply werent this inflated more people would be holding onto it, playing it much safer and investing in assets that produce cashflow or dividends and investing in things like bonds. Rather than risking their money on speculative assets
@@sethc4758 People will invest in anything if they think they'll make money. That is why people keep falling for pyramid schemes. Crypto is literally nothing but playing a game of numbers and people still put massive amounts of money in it.
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“Pilots cost hundred of dollars per hour”.... dang, I wish! I’ve been flying helicopter for twelve years and have barely hit $40/hr. Too bad pilots don’t get paid the inflated wage that most people come to expect! Flying is no doubt the best job in the world but, semi truck drivers can make the same amount of money!
Have you any idea why this is the case? I'd think helicopter pilots are paid more because there is less of a surplus of them, which would drive cost up.
@@locusgaudi It can be relatively hard for helicopter pilots to find jobs because there just aren't many jobs for helicopters outside the military. Add onto that the fact most pilots would fly as a hobby with or without a job and you end up getting pilot openings which get scooped up quickly and for a relatively small salary.
You fly high voltage power lines. While there live. See how much you would ask for. As you have to be rock steady on the controls. Why most pilots have a minimum of 1500 hours. Just to have an interview. And since it cost on average $110.00 an hour to rent a cheap turbine model. You see how much they invested. As the average cost is $60,000.00 US for 200 hour sling load qualified..
Master Chief 00117 $110 an hour to rent a turbine.... are you smoking meth?! I’m not really sure what you’re saying or asking. I’ll take a stab at what I think you are (maybe)asking.... if the question is “ what would I ask for if I flew for a power line contractor?” A: $500/day is a good starting number for a highly qualified pilot (4,000+ hrs) I’d say. For me; it depends on required number of working days. I have a family so my time home is more important to me than it could be to someone else. Possible question 2: “why do most pilots have a minimum of 1500 hours to be hired?”... insurance companies set the hour requirements. An employer may take a pilot with less time however, the company would pay an increased premium to cover a lower time pilot (if the insurance company would even allow it). Pilots are becoming a hot commodity and hour requirements have been slowly going down for the entry-level turbine operators IE: tours in the Grand Canyon and Las Vegas and offshore Oil and Gas. I am assuming that the “110.00 per hour to rent an turbine” is a typing error.... most small turbines burn around that much money in fuel per hour. You’d be hard pressed to find a turbine for less than $800/hr. Lastly, flight training cost well above $60k (for helicopters). Most individuals who pay out of pocket spend in excess of $90k for all their ratings (depends largely on the aircraft and flight school you train with). Just this month, I heard that one of our new pilots spent over $200k!!!! Aviation is a tough business! The vast majority of us do it for one reason and one reason only.... we love aviation!
Thank you for actually calculating and stated inflated values. It’s infuriating when a channel says “oh it cost $4” does note that that was in the 40s and casual viewers may except that as current day fact. Thank you keep up the good work.
something about the simplicity of the "imma end this man's whole career" mixed with the kinda cross-niche mixing of helicopters and bridges just makes me love this comment lmao, wish there was something like reddit gold in here
Hong Kong-Macao Car: get a licence of both Macau and HK (they don’t accept it each other’s licence) , insure your car twice, use an hour to cross the bridge near the airport, another hour to reach the city centre, pay in RMB, which is not used by neither Macau or HK Helicopter: 15 Minutes flight time, fast border check, lands on the rooftop of HK Peninsular Hotel, pay in HKD The bridge should be compared to the ferry, not helicopter
@@nimbusshadow-wings But this entire video is about *short-haul* flight replacements. The examples at the end of 'city center to accompanying airport' and 'downtown NYC to Hampton Bays' are exactly the kind of places that you want to lay a rail network with both short-stop services stopping all along the route and a fast service that goes the distance instantly. I understand that it is hard to get people to sit in a train for 30 hours of train travel from NYC to LA, but NYC to DC, the longest flight in this video, is only 225 miles, about 300 kilometers, by car and a train line could go through Edison, Trenton, Philadelphia and Baltimore, share the cost of maintaining it, and you could have train services with stops in each city taking only 3 hours (which maps says current train services take), and premium 'direct' services taking less than 2 (if the network is configured for about 200km/h on stretches between cities, and you travel at about 60-100km/h inside cities). That is already shorter than going by plane if you take all the time you need to be there for check-in into account!
@@mennoltvanalten7260 as referring to due to america being so large everyone has cars so unless you dont plan on ever leaving the city most people use their cars
@@nimbusshadow-wings That has nothing to do with America being bigger or rail in the US being more expensive, and also... the vast majority of people in Europe have cars too. The real problem is that the railways in the US are owned by freight companies rather than by a dedicated company or the state like in most European countries, causing those companies to make the most profit off of freight, instead of making equal profit or preferring the reliability of passengers.
My maternal grandfather, Clarence Belinn, started Los Angeles Airways. It had quite a checkered history (several rotor failure tragedies were involved.) Great video as usual.
Early rotor blade designs were similar regardless of manufacturer, with a D-shaped metal spar. Technology to detect fatigue fractures was still in early development. Introduction of the BIM system by Sikorsky and the ISIS system by Boeing-Vertol was a giant step in reducing rotor blade issues. Later development of fiberglass and composite rotor blades, and accompanying flight hour limitation, has reduced blade failures to a number approaching zero.
Yeah, I was also surprised that HeliJet wasn't mentioned as it seems like a textbook example. Vancouver also has a long history of scheduled seaplane service from the Harbour Airport (CYHC) by multiple airlines and there are even International flights between downtown Vancouver and Seattle.
15 years before Uber or Blade came along, I spent one long, hot summer as a pilot for the seaplane service from Manhattan's East 23rd Street Seaplane Base to East Hampton Airport. Back then, a seat on the 35-minute flight cost $350 one way - almost as much as a round trip to the west coast! But the high rollers who rent (or own) summer villas in the Hamptons were happy to pay it, as it saved them 3 hours over driving on the traffic-clogged Long Island Expressway. We had scheduled departures from NYC on Thursdays and Fridays at 3:15, 5:15, and 7:15pm, with two or three Cessna Caravans each picking up 8 or 9 passengers. Pax could return to NYC on Sunday at 5:15 or 7:15pm, or Monday morning at 7:30am. A licensed commercial seaplane pilot working a 14-hour day (7am-9pm) was paid the princely sum of $100 per day. The company just ceased operations in April 2020 after 40 years: shorelineaviation.com/
I remember an article saying that São Paulo is a haven for helicopters, as the car traffic makes them a reliable choice to travel across the city. Now, I don't really know if it's state-owned, a monopoly or multiple private helicopter airlines. But I think it's worth a deeper look to see how they've survived for years.
In São Paulo, the helicopter companies are multiple private airlines. Given the traffic problem, it is some times cheaper to use a helicopter than taking a taxi. It is so bad that sometimes it is faster to go from Campinas (a nearby city about 100km) to São Paulo university than going from Morumbi (a close neighborhood about 10km) to the university by car. In this situation, helicopters thrive. They are the fastest transport if you can afford it.
@@Squaretable22 I'm from Sao Paulo and I can confirm that you are absolutely right If you want to see just wacht a video of the approach in CGH (Congonhas airport) and you will see all the helipads ;)
It’s very interesting that you say helicopter airlines disappeared. In Vancouver BC... not only has HeliJet been operating for decades primarily between downtown Vancouver and Victoria, but in competition with Harbour Air (their Turbo Otter depicted at 10:06) Sea Air, and many other seaplane operators on the West Coast of Canada that have been there in one form or another since Bill Boeing made the first US international air mail flight by floatplane in 1919.
haha ikr for the entirety of this video I was just thinking, it is possible to go city center to city center at 300km/h, and instead of paying $400 you pay $50.
Wendover: Talks about USA, Hong Kong, France. Wendover: Conveniently forgets to talk about the Canadian helicopter airline running since the 80's. Helijet.
Helijet ('86) and Harbour Air ('93): Sea plane and helicopter passenger airlines all in one city. Both around for a solid length of time and still going strong.
Speaking of seaplanes, Harbour Air has been operating a service between Vancouver and Victoria pretty successfuly for awhile now. Flights are kinda expensive for an average joe, but its a million times more convenient than taking the ferry
He even used some stock footage of a Harbour Air seaplane taxing near the Coal Harbour seaplane base in Vancouver. Victoria to Vancouver also has regularly scheduled helicopter service between the city cores with HeliJet as well.
Vancouver Victoria has had scheduled flights by both Seaplanes (Harbour Air $150) and Helicopters (Helijet - $230) since the mid 80s. A lot of that is supported by business travel between the province's largest city (Vancouver) and seat of the provincial government (Victoria).
That's the thing about companies such as Harbour Air, BLADE, and etc. Majority of their customers would pay (regardless of price, just off of convenience alone. Hours in traffic or less than an hour by air and closer to your destination. Surprisingly, in New York, there are twice as many people (if not more), that travel to the airport, than they do to the Hamptons, yet the Hamptons routes are more successful, due to the fact there is a huge demand for it in the summer. BLADE kind of revolutionized helicopter travel in New York, which then influenced other big companies such as Airbus and Uber to get in on the action and then try to branch out in world.
I think that’s probably where babies actually come from. No way my parents can make babies by putting their penises and vaginas together. Nice try, boomers. Idk if my parents are boomers, they were born in the 90s though. Isn’t that boomers?
In Vancouver, Harbour Air's seaplanes also connect Metro Vancouver with Greater Victoria, though it is mostly used by government employees and politicians as well as the usual business people.
Or, after showing videos of vancouver's harbour air, fails to mention their cheap flights (which are way lower cost than the east coast flights he was talking about)
Excellent job as always and a good recap of air mobility over the past 6 decades. I work in the electric UAM industry and you hit it on the nail. There is an even bigger image developing and that is even more exciting. Ping me if you ever want to chat about that or co-produce a segment. Cheers!
7:43 - FYI, the ferry route between Hong Kong and Macau goes around the SOUTH of Lantau Island, not the north Also, at 7:52 - the helicopter route is not straight-line as it would have to fly above Lantau’s two highest mountains, Sunset Peak and Lantau Peak
I used to do travel reimbursements at UC Berkeley. $75 in today's equivalent from Berkeley to SFO is totally reasonable. Ubers range between $50 and $100 for that journey, depending on traffic. Taxis are about $100-$125.
Would be really interesting to cover the logistics of having an international airport right in the middle of a city, similar to Montreal and how such airports can grow/expand to accomodate larger aircrafts and more traffic.
If you fly from Recife to Natal (Brazil) you take a 30 minute flight followed by a 2h drive to the city. By car you can make the whole trip in 3:30 hours (even less at night) with all the advantages of having your car with you. Guarulhos (São Paulo) is a 3h drive to the city business center (even more if you get stuck in traffic). From Natal to São Paulo is a 3:30 hour flight plus a 3h hour drive to the hotel, for business trips. It just doesn't make sense sometimes. (I'm aware São Paulo has Congonhas in the middle of the city, but most flight only go to Guarulhos)
10:36 ngl, I totally thought he was gonna reveal some sort of ridiculous plan from Uber to have commerical helicopter routes between the US and Australia
"The cost of the pilot, hundreds of dollars per hour" As someone who knows many, many pilots: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA where is this and how can I get there
On the Faroe Islands, helicopters are part of the public transportation system and you can get a helicopter ride for like 8-20 bucks depending on which island you're going to/from.
I've had the pleasure of flying the Toho Air Service, a helicopter airline in Japan with daily regularly scheduled flights. However, they do not turn a profit without government subsidy, even with the high ticket prices (over $100 for a 20 min flight from Hachijo to Aogashima)
2:01 JFK: "I'm still going to be relatively close to the city and still within the city limits." O'Hare: "I'm still going to be relatively close to the city and still within the city limits." Orly: "I am still going to be relatively close to l'city and still with in l'city limits." Dulles: *_Laughs in 20 mile distance away from city limits and location in a different state_*
I went to the Air & Space museum next to Dulles (Way better than the one in D.C) and it took me like an hour and a half to go from the edge of the district to the Museum and I had to wait half and hour on the metro & a 45 minute city bus trip.
Here en Denmark we have NORDIC Seaplanes (a company) offering a seaplane rides from Copenhagen to Aarhus (and back) for around 290 dollars, which is harbor to harbor. Also offering trips to some of our islands and other trips trying to cut out the need for using the ferry or a medium sized boat.
I have one of these in my city, it's pretty notable if you ask me because it does everything that the Hong Kong to Macau one does. It goes over water, replaces a ferry, takes off and lands in/very near the downtown areas of each city, and is from around the 1980's.
1:20 “That wasn’t a problem because the planes of that time were small, and the smaller the plane, the the less runway it needs.” AN225 looks at A380: Yup, sooooo true.
I’m a commercial photographer, and in about 2010 when I was first getting into commercial aerial photography, I booked a first client, who needed aerial photos of a building near downtown. I called around for quotes - chartering a pilot with a Cessna was about $250/hr at the time, billed by 15 minute segments. When I called a helicopter pilot, it started at $1200/hr or portion thereof, as a base price, and would go up once they weighed me and my gear - a surcharge per every 10 kg.
10:10 I would be astonished if the mechanically complex tilt-rotor beat the far simpler and more redundant fixed electric multi-rotor for short-hop air travel over the next decade or two.
the bell v 280 is an amazing tilt rotor. It tilts only the rotor, making it significantly cheaper and more efficient. While it is currently being developed as a replacement for the osprey, I believe there is potential in them for civilian applications too!
Very surprised that you didn't touch on helicopter airlines that exist due to offshore industries (oil and gas). Would be very interested if you did a dedicated video on FIFO workers (fly in fly out) for mining and offshore workforces. The costs associated with that kind of workforce etc.
There's some stock footage of a HarbourAir plane in Vancouver around 10:03 But yes, for Vancouver and Victoria in particular, this is worth examining. It makes it easy for wealthier patrons to jump from the downtown of one city to the other relatively quickly - compared with driving well outside of town to the ferry terminals, taking a 90-minute ferry ride, then driving back into the other downtown core.
Wendover showing an V-22 Osprey: It's clear that the future involves tiltrotor vertical takeoff and landing aircraft. Me: Ha! Great sense of humor there.
Interesting video. I was employed by Los Angeles Airways as Supervisor of a heliport at the time of the two crashes. That was the downfall of that carrier and I subsequently worked for Continental Airlines.
7:38 The "ferry" service is a hydrofoil. Basically a plane with wings in the water (not to be confused with an ekranoplan), lifting the hull above the water, which is pretty damn fast.
DeepSpace12 Well stated! In 2008, I travelled from HK to Macau, taking the one hour hydrofoil option. I flew back on the same day in a Sikorsky S76 (now replaced with the Agusta AW139) helicopter. The flight took 15 minutes. Both were very good experiences. The heliports at both locations are on top of the same buildings where the hydrofoils and ferries operate from.
Interesting. I am in Vancouver Canada and we have 2 such services, Harbour Air (sea plane) and Helijet (helicopter). They provide service between Vancouver, Victoria, Whistler and a few other places on Vancouver Island. From anywhere from $99 to $250 (depending on distance/sales) I can get from Vancouver to Victoria in about 40 minutes VS 3-4 hours by car/transit. I guess it just depends on the geographic location of where the services are and the time you save.
In Nanaimo, BC (Canada) we have a helicopter service called helijet which flies 12 passengers between Nanaimo, Vancouver, Victoria and other places, although it is twice as expensive as the ferry or seaplane
Between 2000 and 2005 a Finnish company called Copterline operated an hourly service between Helsinki and Tallinn. They stopped flying in 2005 after 14 people plunged to their deaths in the cold Baltic sea. The company tried again in 2008 but they timing was horrible so they finished the service the same year and never flew again. It took 18 minutes from city centre to city centre, compared to the fastest ferry today which takes 2 hours (+ boarding/disembarking time ca 30 minutes) and the plane which takes 30 minutes without check-in and getting to and from the airport.
1:25 "The smaller the airplane, the shorter the runway needed and vice versa" What vice versa??? The shorter the runway, the smaller the airplane needed? What?
Interesting. Also another case with seaplanes, in Denmark, the company Nordic Seaplanes have operated direct flights from Downtown Copenhagen to Downtown Aarhus for quite a few years now. Their seaplanes pass right over my high school even. The price is super expensive but for just 1 hour downtown to downtown, compared to 3+ hours by the fastest train and similar travel times by car, it has definitely found it's place in the market for upper end business people.
I used to work for a company who's owner was a racing fanatic. For the Indy 500, he would charter helicopters to take us and our customers from the Embassy Suites on the northern edge of Indy and take us directly to the infield. I felt like a rock star. We would land, a guy in a suit would open the door and I would step out, hundreds of people packed along the fence to see if anyone important would step out. Plus, just to watch a helo land. Have some shrimp cocktail at our suite, watch a few laps of the race, have a martini then board "my" helo to take me out. Ah...those were the day. All gone now.
They used to run helicopters between Narita airport and Roppongi (south central Tokyo, near Tokyo Tower. A number of government department and corporate HQs in the area as well as premium residential apartments). 35 min trip. But it also cost 280,000 JPY (~$2600USD) each way for up to 5 people.
There’s a lot going on in the world right now, and so posting a video about something so inconsequential is a bit awkward, however I decided to go ahead and release this today and postponing it from yesterday because I think distractions can play a positive role for some during times like this.
I’ve made a $500 to each of three organizations that I believe to be doing great work to work towards ensuring every American has the liberties and rights they deserve. If you want to help and have the means to donate, I’d encourage you to look into these organizations:
The American Civil Liberties Union: www.aclu.org
The National Police Accountability Project: www.nlg-npap.org
The NAACP Legal Defense Fund: www.naacpldf.org
Distractions are positive. Thanks for donating for a good cause!
I concur STRONGLY!!
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what the next hai upload lol
ChaosSwissroIl source?
“Do one video that’s not about planes”
Wendover: *Helicopters*
Baby steps.
@Fingering Things ✔️ Your channel scares me
And Helicopters that become planes.
Fingering Things ✔️ I meant aircraft. One vidéo without aircraft.
Fingering Things ✔️ Fingering Things!
Okay, hear me out: a delivery drone, but it just has a handle on it. Grab and go!
The engines on it would need to be huge
Would be cool maybe like a flying cross you just hang on and fly across the ground a little faster than running
Rich people traveling faster while everyone else suffer from noise pollution. Should the health cost be included in the price?
EDIT: Supposed to be its own post, not a reply.
Sounds uncomfortable. How about 2 drones, connected by a hammock?
Safety not included
humans: we just invented flying cars and now we're gonna transport passengers around with it
economics: no
Corona: we'll see.
CORONAAAA
There was a concept called the rotodyne which essentially was kind of a combination of aircraft and helicopter.
th-cam.com/video/dkJOm1V77Xg/w-d-xo.html
It could have potentially worked in the city center and short haul markets.
@@livethefuture2492 but why did nobody tried it again? I mean the concept sound simple.
flying cars are just light aircraft with a different name
WP: "It cost $9..."
Me: "Wow, only $9 for a trip?"
WP: "...adjusted for inflation, $75"
Me: "We're never going to financially recover from this"
Lol literally me
Gold is up over 600% in 20 years. Just saying...
@@disposabull Because people speculate and buy gold.
@@rachel1426 but people have all that money to speculate with because of an inflated supply of currency... If supply werent this inflated more people would be holding onto it, playing it much safer and investing in assets that produce cashflow or dividends and investing in things like bonds. Rather than risking their money on speculative assets
@@sethc4758 People will invest in anything if they think they'll make money. That is why people keep falling for pyramid schemes. Crypto is literally nothing but playing a game of numbers and people still put massive amounts of money in it.
let's take the cities skylines approach and just use commuter blimps
yes.. blump
Yep the best form if transport ........ Blimps
hindenburg
tasmanian Mapper laughs in hindenburg
Bruh the hindenburg
Wendover productions is having a 1 month affair with helicopters.
Most epic helicopter crash in Minneapolis 2020:
th-cam.com/video/lCl7I7png08/w-d-xo.html
@@fodebic5253 what
@@fodebic5253 ...epic helicopter crash?!
Covid-19: Haha, we destroyed aviation, what are you gonna do?
Wendover: HELICOPTERS
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@@AxxLAfrikuhuh?
AxxL gagagagagagagga
not enogh seat...
@@AxxLAfriku please explain
“Pilots cost hundred of dollars per hour”.... dang, I wish! I’ve been flying helicopter for twelve years and have barely hit $40/hr. Too bad pilots don’t get paid the inflated wage that most people come to expect! Flying is no doubt the best job in the world but, semi truck drivers can make the same amount of money!
Have you any idea why this is the case? I'd think helicopter pilots are paid more because there is less of a surplus of them, which would drive cost up.
@meaturama but they can work much more hours
@@locusgaudi It can be relatively hard for helicopter pilots to find jobs because there just aren't many jobs for helicopters outside the military. Add onto that the fact most pilots would fly as a hobby with or without a job and you end up getting pilot openings which get scooped up quickly and for a relatively small salary.
You fly high voltage power lines. While there live. See how much you would ask for. As you have to be rock steady on the controls. Why most pilots have a minimum of 1500 hours. Just to have an interview. And since it cost on average $110.00 an hour to rent a cheap turbine model. You see how much they invested. As the average cost is $60,000.00 US for 200 hour sling load qualified..
Master Chief 00117 $110 an hour to rent a turbine.... are you smoking meth?! I’m not really sure what you’re saying or asking. I’ll take a stab at what I think you are (maybe)asking.... if the question is “ what would I ask for if I flew for a power line contractor?” A: $500/day is a good starting number for a highly qualified pilot (4,000+ hrs) I’d say. For me; it depends on required number of working days. I have a family so my time home is more important to me than it could be to someone else.
Possible question 2: “why do most pilots have a minimum of 1500 hours to be hired?”... insurance companies set the hour requirements. An employer may take a pilot with less time however, the company would pay an increased premium to cover a lower time pilot (if the insurance company would even allow it). Pilots are becoming a hot commodity and hour requirements have been slowly going down for the entry-level turbine operators IE: tours in the Grand Canyon and Las Vegas and offshore Oil and Gas.
I am assuming that the “110.00 per hour to rent an turbine” is a typing error.... most small turbines burn around that much money in fuel per hour. You’d be hard pressed to find a turbine for less than $800/hr.
Lastly, flight training cost well above $60k (for helicopters). Most individuals who pay out of pocket spend in excess of $90k for all their ratings (depends largely on the aircraft and flight school you train with). Just this month, I heard that one of our new pilots spent over $200k!!!!
Aviation is a tough business! The vast majority of us do it for one reason and one reason only.... we love aviation!
*"Helicopters don't fly, they vibrate so badly the ground rejects them."* ~ Tom Clancy
haha copter goes brRBrrrbrrRRrrr
Helicopters don't fly; they beat the air into submission.
They are so ugly the Earth repulses them. (Actually I think some of them are pretty)
Mindwipe96 the same way I beat my... you know what... nevermind...
@@btr-70 lmao
"why helicopter airlines never took off"
Missed opportunity imo
That'll be more suitable for HAI, but you have a point
@@farelahmad7218 we need more pun titles
Thank you for actually calculating and stated inflated values. It’s infuriating when a channel says “oh it cost $4” does note that that was in the 40s and casual viewers may except that as current day fact. Thank you keep up the good work.
Default mode of transport for a short inter-city trips in every sane country: trains
USA: H E L I C O P T E R S
We have trains for that but trains are for pesants. So the wealthy use helicopters.
Bruh, only the rich are riding helicopters here.
The us isn’t high enough density to have high speed trains. Canada and Australia don’t either.
Seriously the us is way larger than European countries. Us states are larger than European countries so we have to drive and fly everywhere.
Yeah, we need a noisy polluting type of transport, only for the rich that can make life worse for the peasants on the ground...
Helicopter link between Hong Kong and Macau: exists
Hong Kong-Zhuhai-Macau Bridge: imma end this man's whole career
Helijet in Vancouver flying between Vancouver, BC & Victoria, BC is doing recently well up until the COVID19 shit hit the fend.
something about the simplicity of the "imma end this man's whole career" mixed with the kinda cross-niche mixing of helicopters and bridges just makes me love this comment lmao, wish there was something like reddit gold in here
Hong Kong-Macao
Car: get a licence of both Macau and HK (they don’t accept it each other’s licence) , insure your car twice, use an hour to cross the bridge near the airport, another hour to reach the city centre, pay in RMB, which is not used by neither Macau or HK
Helicopter: 15 Minutes flight time, fast border check, lands on the rooftop of HK Peninsular Hotel, pay in HKD
The bridge should be compared to the ferry, not helicopter
It'll put the ferry service out of business too.
In theory, but the bridge requires two custom checks instead of one for ferries
TH-cam: No more plane videos or you’ll get demonetized!
Sam: Helicopters?
Kevilito 07 proceeds to make it about planes anyway
Europe: High speed trains giving cheap mass intracity and inner city transport for the masses.
USA: Lets ferry people around in helicopters
Singapore-Kuala Lumpur: Train takes even longer than coach
you do...you do know america is massivly bigger and more sparse than europe right? how insanly expensive and how long it would take to do that?
@@nimbusshadow-wings But this entire video is about *short-haul* flight replacements. The examples at the end of 'city center to accompanying airport' and 'downtown NYC to Hampton Bays' are exactly the kind of places that you want to lay a rail network with both short-stop services stopping all along the route and a fast service that goes the distance instantly.
I understand that it is hard to get people to sit in a train for 30 hours of train travel from NYC to LA, but NYC to DC, the longest flight in this video, is only 225 miles, about 300 kilometers, by car and a train line could go through Edison, Trenton, Philadelphia and Baltimore, share the cost of maintaining it, and you could have train services with stops in each city taking only 3 hours (which maps says current train services take), and premium 'direct' services taking less than 2 (if the network is configured for about 200km/h on stretches between cities, and you travel at about 60-100km/h inside cities). That is already shorter than going by plane if you take all the time you need to be there for check-in into account!
@@mennoltvanalten7260 as referring to due to america being so large everyone has cars so unless you dont plan on ever leaving the city most people use their cars
@@nimbusshadow-wings That has nothing to do with America being bigger or rail in the US being more expensive, and also... the vast majority of people in Europe have cars too. The real problem is that the railways in the US are owned by freight companies rather than by a dedicated company or the state like in most European countries, causing those companies to make the most profit off of freight, instead of making equal profit or preferring the reliability of passengers.
5:50 I thought my internet connection went crap for a second there
Lol! Same
Wow so it wasn't just me
@@SeanFerree Haha same
Ok, glad it wasn't just me.
yep same here
My maternal grandfather, Clarence Belinn, started Los Angeles Airways. It had quite a checkered history (several rotor failure tragedies were involved.)
Great video as usual.
Early rotor blade designs were similar regardless of manufacturer, with a D-shaped metal spar. Technology to detect fatigue fractures was still in early development. Introduction of the BIM system by Sikorsky and the ISIS system by Boeing-Vertol was a giant step in reducing rotor blade issues. Later development of fiberglass and composite rotor blades, and accompanying flight hour limitation, has reduced blade failures to a number approaching zero.
HeliJet International: Victoria-Nanaimo-Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, since 1986.
Was about to comment the same thing
Not sure how he missed that. Its pretty affordable too
Yeah, I was also surprised that HeliJet wasn't mentioned as it seems like a textbook example. Vancouver also has a long history of scheduled seaplane service from the Harbour Airport (CYHC) by multiple airlines and there are even International flights between downtown Vancouver and Seattle.
I'm sure Wendover and crew don't want to acknowledge any Floatplanes based out of Vancouver ;)
yah Vancouver is one of the busiest seaplane airport
15 years before Uber or Blade came along, I spent one long, hot summer as a pilot for the seaplane service from Manhattan's East 23rd Street Seaplane Base to East Hampton Airport. Back then, a seat on the 35-minute flight cost $350 one way - almost as much as a round trip to the west coast! But the high rollers who rent (or own) summer villas in the Hamptons were happy to pay it, as it saved them 3 hours over driving on the traffic-clogged Long Island Expressway. We had scheduled departures from NYC on Thursdays and Fridays at 3:15, 5:15, and 7:15pm, with two or three Cessna Caravans each picking up 8 or 9 passengers. Pax could return to NYC on Sunday at 5:15 or 7:15pm, or Monday morning at 7:30am. A licensed commercial seaplane pilot working a 14-hour day (7am-9pm) was paid the princely sum of $100 per day.
The company just ceased operations in April 2020 after 40 years: shorelineaviation.com/
I remember an article saying that São Paulo is a haven for helicopters, as the car traffic makes them a reliable choice to travel across the city.
Now, I don't really know if it's state-owned, a monopoly or multiple private helicopter airlines. But I think it's worth a deeper look to see how they've survived for years.
Correct, Airbus Helicopters actually invested in one such opportunity and just divested not long ago
In São Paulo, the helicopter companies are multiple private airlines. Given the traffic problem, it is some times cheaper to use a helicopter than taking a taxi. It is so bad that sometimes it is faster to go from Campinas (a nearby city about 100km) to São Paulo university than going from Morumbi (a close neighborhood about 10km) to the university by car. In this situation, helicopters thrive. They are the fastest transport if you can afford it.
Yeah I remember watching a documentary from like the 70s about Sao Paulo's heliports... All the skyscrapers have helipads
@@Squaretable22 I'm from Sao Paulo and I can confirm that you are absolutely right
If you want to see just wacht a video of the approach in CGH (Congonhas airport) and you will see all the helipads ;)
I think it's mosly the geography of Brazil that help that out.
It’s very interesting that you say helicopter airlines disappeared.
In Vancouver BC... not only has HeliJet been operating for decades primarily between downtown Vancouver and Victoria, but in competition with Harbour Air (their Turbo Otter depicted at 10:06) Sea Air, and many other seaplane operators on the West Coast of Canada that have been there in one form or another since Bill Boeing made the first US international air mail flight by floatplane in 1919.
Same in Spain with Helity, joining Ceuta with Algeciras and Malaga.
"Solution for intercity travel is high-speed train"
*USA left the chat*
haha ikr for the entirety of this video I was just thinking, it is possible to go city center to city center at 300km/h, and instead of paying $400 you pay $50.
Dark Leome America bad
jb76489 America good, Ignore trump.
@@WHATSAHANDLEIDKIDK Finally someone gets it!
😁😂😂😂😂
Wendover: Talks about USA, Hong Kong, France.
Wendover: Conveniently forgets to talk about the Canadian helicopter airline running since the 80's. Helijet.
How is that convenient? He literally just forgot
@meaturama and no one asked for you to reply
@meaturama people care about Canada more than they do for your opinion.
And also forgets about Helity, who runs Ceuta, Malaga and Algeciras.
...and shows footage of Harbour Air! LOL
You missed HeliJet in Vancouver. They have been in operation for quite a long time. Using the S76 helicopter.
shut up canada
Came here to comment exactly this! Love HeliJet and Harbour Air
Helijet ('86) and Harbour Air ('93): Sea plane and helicopter passenger airlines all in one city. Both around for a solid length of time and still going strong.
@@daleva187goligo No, you shut up. We have a thriving helicopter (Helijet) and float plane industry up here, both great services on the coast of BC.
One of the natural consequences of putting the Provincial capital on an island when the largest metropolitan centre is on the mainland
Wendover: Not a single mention of the Rotodyne.
Me: *Sad Mustard Noises*
I found this video from that video you mentioned.
😔
hey wendover producitons, your videos are really high quality, and i really enjoy them. Just wanted to say thank you for that
2:27
Wendover guy: "Many cities' airports are an hour's trip from the city centre"
Beauvais airport: *laughs in Ryanair*
I regularly saw people walking to the city to avoid paying the bus. My school was 10min walk at most from the entrance
Ryanair used Barcelona-Resus airport which is... 120km away from the centre of Barcelona.
If commercial helicopters took off then Sam’s airplane channel would’ve been permanently grounded
Commercial helicopters take off all the time, checkmate
Hey kim
Kim hi man u know to joke
GoneZombie shit you got me there 😂😂😂
This man will never stop finding new ways to talk about planes
Speaking of seaplanes, Harbour Air has been operating a service between Vancouver and Victoria pretty successfuly for awhile now. Flights are kinda expensive for an average joe, but its a million times more convenient than taking the ferry
He even used some stock footage of a Harbour Air seaplane taxing near the Coal Harbour seaplane base in Vancouver. Victoria to Vancouver also has regularly scheduled helicopter service between the city cores with HeliJet as well.
Vancouver Victoria has had scheduled flights by both Seaplanes (Harbour Air $150) and Helicopters (Helijet - $230) since the mid 80s. A lot of that is supported by business travel between the province's largest city (Vancouver) and seat of the provincial government (Victoria).
I was sad he didn't mention it.
That's the thing about companies such as Harbour Air, BLADE, and etc. Majority of their customers would pay (regardless of price, just off of convenience alone. Hours in traffic or less than an hour by air and closer to your destination.
Surprisingly, in New York, there are twice as many people (if not more), that travel to the airport, than they do to the Hamptons, yet the Hamptons routes are more successful, due to the fact there is a huge demand for it in the summer. BLADE kind of revolutionized helicopter travel in New York, which then influenced other big companies such as Airbus and Uber to get in on the action and then try to branch out in world.
Once again you've proved why this is one of the best channels on TH-cam. Great work as always!!
"helicopter airline would dominate intercity transport"
japan: "hold my train sake"
The "Skyport" concept you mentioned reminds me of a few concepts that were floated around in the fifties and sixties.
Wendover: giving you videos on subjects you never knew you cared about until you watched them
I do care aboot nuclear wastes before came across his channel.
Still waiting for "Why ejector seats in helicopters are a bad idea"
wait what if they eject down instead of up
What do you get when you mix a helicopter, and elephant and a rhino?
Hell if I know.
HOLY SHIT THIS IS BRILLIANT
Pure destruction
OMG that's smart
I think that’s probably where babies actually come from. No way my parents can make babies by putting their penises and vaginas together. Nice try, boomers. Idk if my parents are boomers, they were born in the 90s though. Isn’t that boomers?
I don’t get it
In Vancouver, Harbour Air's seaplanes also connect Metro Vancouver with Greater Victoria, though it is mostly used by government employees and politicians as well as the usual business people.
Wendover is having a existential crisis after the airlines have stopped operating and planes stopped flying
8:48, 10:03 Shows footage from Vancouver / BC twice yet doesn't mention Helijet flying scheduled helicopter flights since 1986.
Or, after showing videos of vancouver's harbour air, fails to mention their cheap flights (which are way lower cost than the east coast flights he was talking about)
I thought it was gonna be about an airline called "Helicopter Airlines"
bruh lol
Excellent job as always and a good recap of air mobility over the past 6 decades. I work in the electric UAM industry and you hit it on the nail. There is an even bigger image developing and that is even more exciting. Ping me if you ever want to chat about that or co-produce a segment. Cheers!
*Runs out of plane things to talk about, moves onto other type of air transport*
There used to be a S-61N service betweeh Heathrow and Gatwick. My Mum treated me to it one birthday - round trip. It was about 1984.
Never use a plane to do a Train's job.
@Austin Martín Hernández *Cries in Australia*
Agreed!
@Austin Martín Hernández trains cant cross oceans, unfortunately.
So sometimes use planes.
1:35 the blond girl is so happy 💛
7:43 - FYI, the ferry route between Hong Kong and Macau goes around the SOUTH of Lantau Island, not the north
Also, at 7:52 - the helicopter route is not straight-line as it would have to fly above Lantau’s two highest mountains, Sunset Peak and Lantau Peak
This guy chinas
Also, there's a bridge-tunnel now
I used to do travel reimbursements at UC Berkeley. $75 in today's equivalent from Berkeley to SFO is totally reasonable. Ubers range between $50 and $100 for that journey, depending on traffic. Taxis are about $100-$125.
Would be really interesting to cover the logistics of having an international airport right in the middle of a city, similar to Montreal and how such airports can grow/expand to accomodate larger aircrafts and more traffic.
If you fly from Recife to Natal (Brazil) you take a 30 minute flight followed by a 2h drive to the city. By car you can make the whole trip in 3:30 hours (even less at night) with all the advantages of having your car with you. Guarulhos (São Paulo) is a 3h drive to the city business center (even more if you get stuck in traffic). From Natal to São Paulo is a 3:30 hour flight plus a 3h hour drive to the hotel, for business trips. It just doesn't make sense sometimes. (I'm aware São Paulo has Congonhas in the middle of the city, but most flight only go to Guarulhos)
10:36 ngl, I totally thought he was gonna reveal some sort of ridiculous plan from Uber to have commerical helicopter routes between the US and Australia
Something interesting to consider is how long it would take to get past TSA and luggage and how these factors impact travel time.
When you run out of topics about planes, you adapt.
"The cost of the pilot, hundreds of dollars per hour"
As someone who knows many, many pilots: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA where is this and how can I get there
Go independent and pay for your insurance and benefits out of pocket. Wages are only a fraction of what labor costs.
10:32 If I can recall correctly the AW609 has entered production last year
On the Faroe Islands, helicopters are part of the public transportation system and you can get a helicopter ride for like 8-20 bucks depending on which island you're going to/from.
Let me save you 13 minutes of your time:
It was money
But watch it anyways because its a great video
@13:10, no mention of the new bridge between hong kong and Macau? is the airline still viable after that?
I've had the pleasure of flying the Toho Air Service, a helicopter airline in Japan with daily regularly scheduled flights. However, they do not turn a profit without government subsidy, even with the high ticket prices (over $100 for a 20 min flight from Hachijo to Aogashima)
Everyone is gangster about helicopters from city to city until we have a crash right in the middle of the city...
2:01
JFK: "I'm still going to be relatively close to the city and still within the city limits."
O'Hare: "I'm still going to be relatively close to the city and still within the city limits."
Orly: "I am still going to be relatively close to l'city and still with in l'city limits."
Dulles: *_Laughs in 20 mile distance away from city limits and location in a different state_*
Washington isn’t in a state
@@KanyeTheGayFish69 I know, but "political entity" didn't have the same ring.
I went to the Air & Space museum next to Dulles (Way better than the one in D.C) and it took me like an hour and a half to go from the edge of the district to the Museum and I had to wait half and hour on the metro & a 45 minute city bus trip.
_Bandung Kerajati Airport has joined the chat_
Here en Denmark we have NORDIC Seaplanes (a company) offering a seaplane rides from Copenhagen to Aarhus (and back) for around 290 dollars, which is harbor to harbor. Also offering trips to some of our islands and other trips trying to cut out the need for using the ferry or a medium sized boat.
This dude makes good videos. He should probably start a channel in which he posts about things that can't make the full 10+ minutes of content
wait
Suryan Isaac what
Search Half As Interesting
Nah, that channel would only be 50% as interesting as the main channel.
I have one of these in my city, it's pretty notable if you ask me because it does everything that the Hong Kong to Macau one does. It goes over water, replaces a ferry, takes off and lands in/very near the downtown areas of each city, and is from around the 1980's.
1:20 “That wasn’t a problem because the planes of that time were small, and the smaller the plane, the the less runway it needs.”
AN225 looks at A380: Yup, sooooo true.
I’m a commercial photographer, and in about 2010 when I was first getting into commercial aerial photography, I booked a first client, who needed aerial photos of a building near downtown. I called around for quotes - chartering a pilot with a Cessna was about $250/hr at the time, billed by 15 minute segments. When I called a helicopter pilot, it started at $1200/hr or portion thereof, as a base price, and would go up once they weighed me and my gear - a surcharge per every 10 kg.
Technically speaking, it's not another Wendover video about airplanes.
10:10 I would be astonished if the mechanically complex tilt-rotor beat the far simpler and more redundant fixed electric multi-rotor for short-hop air travel over the next decade or two.
the bell v 280 is an amazing tilt rotor. It tilts only the rotor, making it significantly cheaper and more efficient. While it is currently being developed as a replacement for the osprey, I believe there is potential in them for civilian applications too!
Still waiting for the Wendover Air Company to 'take off'!
I’d fly
“How Wendover Productions bought every single plane in the world”
By the way airport Le Bourget in Paris didn’t close: it is still used but for private jets and some importants things you know
Very surprised that you didn't touch on helicopter airlines that exist due to offshore industries (oil and gas).
Would be very interested if you did a dedicated video on FIFO workers (fly in fly out) for mining and offshore workforces. The costs associated with that kind of workforce etc.
Nice to see a New Zealand Bell 206 at work (5:57-6:30)...being a Kiwi myself :)
You didn't mention HarborAir in Seattle. Regularly scheduled flights by seaplane to Friday Harbor, Vancouver and Victoria B.C.
There's some stock footage of a HarbourAir plane in Vancouver around 10:03
But yes, for Vancouver and Victoria in particular, this is worth examining. It makes it easy for wealthier patrons to jump from the downtown of one city to the other relatively quickly - compared with driving well outside of town to the ferry terminals, taking a 90-minute ferry ride, then driving back into the other downtown core.
Also Kenmore Air has scheduled flights to Victoria, San Juan Islands, Orca Islands as well as Mt St Helens and Mt Rainer as wel as charter flights.
Nice job on the promo spot. Practical and helpful.
Wendover showing an V-22 Osprey: It's clear that the future involves tiltrotor vertical takeoff and landing aircraft.
Me: Ha! Great sense of humor there.
No kidding! Unit cost [Wikipedia] is US$72 million. Operating cost: US$11,500 per hour. Excellent sense of humour! Agreed.
Me, having riden in Ospreys quite a few times: Oh noooo....
Interesting video. I was employed by Los Angeles Airways as Supervisor of a heliport at the time of the two crashes. That was the downfall of that carrier and I subsequently worked for Continental Airlines.
Sam, upload to the other one
no the other other one
2:23 Missed opppertunity: The French airport should have been labeled "Le Closed"
He mainly missed the fact that it is still open. First business aviation airport in Europe.
9:36
Cape Air: finally gets its long-awaited government approval for one year in 2020
Covid: *allow me to introduce myself*
You missed your chance to say “Why Helicopter Airlines couldn’t take off”
7:38 The "ferry" service is a hydrofoil. Basically a plane with wings in the water (not to be confused with an ekranoplan), lifting the hull above the water, which is pretty damn fast.
DeepSpace12 Well stated! In 2008, I travelled from HK to Macau, taking the one hour hydrofoil option. I flew back on the same day in a Sikorsky S76 (now replaced with the Agusta AW139) helicopter. The flight took 15 minutes. Both were very good experiences.
The heliports at both locations are on top of the same buildings where the hydrofoils and ferries operate from.
"De Havilland Comet"
*shows Boeing 707*
Interesting. I am in Vancouver Canada and we have 2 such services, Harbour Air (sea plane) and Helijet (helicopter). They provide service between Vancouver, Victoria, Whistler and a few other places on Vancouver Island. From anywhere from $99 to $250 (depending on distance/sales) I can get from Vancouver to Victoria in about 40 minutes VS 3-4 hours by car/transit. I guess it just depends on the geographic location of where the services are and the time you save.
Me: Sam is out of Aviation Videos
Sam: Hold my breath
In Nanaimo, BC (Canada) we have a helicopter service called helijet which flies 12 passengers between Nanaimo, Vancouver, Victoria and other places, although it is twice as expensive as the ferry or seaplane
“New York’s primary airport was LaGuardia”
That must have been a dark time in history
At least they didn't have Newark.
The VTOL aircraft shown at the later part of the video is similar to the Harrier aircraft. Harriers were often used by the British military.
10:04 no it did not fall victim to the pandemic, it fell victim to Cape Air not owning any seaplanes.
They would have bought some
Between 2000 and 2005 a Finnish company called Copterline operated an hourly service between Helsinki and Tallinn. They stopped flying in 2005 after 14 people plunged to their deaths in the cold Baltic sea. The company tried again in 2008 but they timing was horrible so they finished the service the same year and never flew again. It took 18 minutes from city centre to city centre, compared to the fastest ferry today which takes 2 hours (+ boarding/disembarking time ca 30 minutes) and the plane which takes 30 minutes without check-in and getting to and from the airport.
1:25 "The smaller the airplane, the shorter the runway needed and vice versa" What vice versa??? The shorter the runway, the smaller the airplane needed? What?
The larger the airplane, the longer the runway needed.
@@afh7689 That's not vice versa.
Interesting.
Also another case with seaplanes, in Denmark, the company Nordic Seaplanes have operated direct flights from Downtown Copenhagen to Downtown Aarhus for quite a few years now. Their seaplanes pass right over my high school even. The price is super expensive but for just 1 hour downtown to downtown, compared to 3+ hours by the fastest train and similar travel times by car, it has definitely found it's place in the market for upper end business people.
That's sad. I really wanted to see those Ryanair butter landings on their potential helicopters
Random Anime Girl lmao
landing gear goes crunch
05:20 wow that take off.... excellently done!
I can hear rotodyne tip jet engine starting in a distance
2:07: Lots of people still fly out of DCA still. That's why they are expanding the airport for the second time (first time was in the late 1990s).
For me, it takes more time from my house to Bangalore airport, than a flight from Bangalore to New Delhi
Same. I live in Australia
I used to work for a company who's owner was a racing fanatic. For the Indy 500, he would charter helicopters to take us and our customers from the Embassy Suites on the northern edge of Indy and take us directly to the infield. I felt like a rock star. We would land, a guy in a suit would open the door and I would step out, hundreds of people packed along the fence to see if anyone important would step out. Plus, just to watch a helo land. Have some shrimp cocktail at our suite, watch a few laps of the race, have a martini then board "my" helo to take me out. Ah...those were the day. All gone now.
Anyone else waiting for a joke the whole time because they're used to watching HAI?
They used to run helicopters between Narita airport and Roppongi (south central Tokyo, near Tokyo Tower. A number of government department and corporate HQs in the area as well as premium residential apartments). 35 min trip.
But it also cost 280,000 JPY (~$2600USD) each way for up to 5 people.
*Pinochet wants to know your location*
MiYa I don’t think many of the passengers on those airlines reached their destination