So Warren Gatland is gone...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.พ. 2025
- Today, Wales' most successful-ever coach departed. After a record stretch of fourteen successive losses, Warren Gatland is no longer Wales coach. Mere moments after nearing the news, we sat down to dissect the news, the feeling, and where this leaves Warren Gatland's legacy...
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Squidge 100% had this video lined up before the start of the tournament 😅
100%
He actually cut his hair since.
England fan here - what a great discussion. And I’m now even _more_ worried that wales will beast us in that last game😂😂😂
Keep up the excellent work genetlemen. As a watcher of rugby for 45 years it’s refreshing to hear this level of depth in this format. 🎉🎉
We can only hope 😉, but in all honesty you are way ahead of us and should beat us comfortably
@@philipjames11 Totally agree, England are out of our league right now for many reasons not least the amount of undoing, patching up and rebuilding Sherratt has to do over the next few weeks. On the plus side I'm excited about the Welsh team for the first time since the world cup
I can definitely see a world in which happens. Particularly if England win the Calcutta cup and France win in Dublin, so England go to Cardiff thinking about points difference and take their eye off the ball. But a lot could happen in the next few weeks 🤷
Some part of me wants them to beast you guys, I cannot believe the absolute genius you guys put in against France, so wahey!!! Let's make a classic again :D
Irish here, expecting there may be a 100 point win in the melee haha. Six Nations is awesome :D and now with these lads, I PROPERLY understand it too
A legend in Wales, Forever.
Go and Enjoy your life now.
Diolch Warren.
🎉 Irish fan here, delighted that Wales can have a reset
we need some players to go with it as well. Good luck for tripple back to back championship, hope you make history for great reasons, Just be careful with france, they wont be that shit again for a long time. greetings from Wales
it won't be a reset with Howley and Humphreys still there - We still have the ffycin WRU too, they have been the problem since the mid 1980's - Gatland betrayed by the WRU and it's systematic failure - " Gwarthus"
I think that, although it tarnishes his record with 14 losses in a row, his legacy was already well cemented years ago. Quite a shock to see him go now this instant, though.
From South Africa and having followed Gatland's amazing (previous) success Wales' story:
To me, somewhere along the way he lost his mojo.
Did he rely (too) heavily on certain squad-members to build such initial success? Was he (and Welsh management) guilty of not bringing in new, young talent (and heroes) for 'the next 10 years'?
Where I noticed he lost his mojo (or did he ever have it, versus just managing a talented squad?): He was (because of his success with Wales) appointed as B&I Lions coach to tour South Africa.
Even before they arrived in South Africa, it was quite clear that there was some complete confusion about the style of rugby they (the Lions) planned to play. There was a mixture of "beasts" and beauties".
Was he confused? Or was it that Rassie Erasmus confused him? By then it was already clear that Erasmus was next-level in match-planning. "Should we be beauty or beast this weekend?" and "I don't care how inexperienced or how old the player is, he is clearly worthy".
Once in South Africa, (a) the Lions' team selections never made sense and (b) Erasmus (intentionally or unintentionally) rubbed Gatland up the wrong way, leaving Gatland to look like a grumpy old man.
Ever since that Lions-team-selection and then their play, this is what I see when I look at Gatland (similar to Eddie Jones): An old, grumpy man that has lost his mojo.
It happens to us all...
@@kobusg7460it's tempting to personalize a lot of these things, but the reality is seldom so neat. Welsh rugby has been a basket case for years, their national union is dysfunctional and corrupt, and their provinces are in utter disarray. Similarly, the B&I Lions are a circus, no pun intended. Gatland's previous stints with the amalgamated side benefitted from the presence of Andy Farrell and Graham Rowntree, but at their best his Lions teams played the same very basic, heavily defensive, fundamental rugby that has been Gatland's signature since his time with Waikato in the NPC. On that last tour he was competing with Gregor Townsend for influence over the team and the coaching ticket never clicked, which was reflected on the field. Gatland himself has never been an innovator, and like Squidge says his methods and tactics are sinply outdated. Add to that the absence of Shaun Edwards from the backroom staff, the relative paucity of talent coming through the Welsh ranks, the ongoing saga of the provincial unions and their desperate results in the URC, it's beyond any one coach to solve this Rubix cube of a team.
see the reality is the game has just moved past him it happens to everyone eventually
his style his brand of Rugby is obsolete in 2025 even if they had the Prime Grandslam winning team back they would still be getting outclassed by most teams cause those tactics he used dont work anymore
@@kurtpunchesthings2411 that is a massive over simplification of things, wales don’t have the man power to be competitive currently! Give gatland a nation with a stronger set up and I’m sure he’d be able to construct a competitive team
This would not be the way he wanted to go out, but Warren deserves a lot of credit for his successes. All the best Warren
your comments about not knowing what he's trying to do completely sums up my feelings. Old Gatland gameplan was visible, in new gatland it wasnt (90% of the time). Feels like style was lost in the past sadly. As a welsh fan i dont need to win every game, just feel like we've got a chance and we're in the fight. Here's to the future. Cymru am Byth
from an Irish fan reality is Gatlands brand of Rugby is Obsolete in 2025 the game has moved past it even if he had better players Wales would not be winning championships with those tactics
Im a simple man. Catch the ball run forward, see the notification, i click
How fast though?
Someone pass the memo to the french backs pls 🙏
I see you trained under Rob Howley too
It is so sad for Gatland and Wales. I thought it was wrong for him to take /be given the job for a second time. Especially after his poor managerial form in NZ. Thanks for this Robbie and Will
Like this to have Squidge Rugby as new Wales coach!
Gods yes! I feel like no one knows more about what a good wales game plan could be! Actually good idea for a podcast. Based on current players, what is the welsh DNA? What would be a good game plan and approach for welsh rugby? Having said that, there are other issues that need to be sorted in welsh rugby in general first! Need a solid foundation to build on
Can you guys do a detailed video on what’s gone wrong in the structure of Welsh rugby and what they need to do to fix it
It's not all doom and gloom for us, triple crown is still on.
Agreed.
Sherratt can rip up the game plan, call up some missing players and have a pop at the home nations. There is nothing to lose at this point.
😂
@@OwainThomas-j8pThis precisely!
Bring back Patchell!
As a Wasps fan through and through....Gatlamd should be regarded as one of the best coaches ever along with Woodward, Farrell and Hansen. Nothing makes me happier as an Englishman than when we have got the better of Wales especially in the 2008 to 2019 years. He nurtured Wales greatest ever era of players and in terms of coaching, changed the games 20 years ago. But the game has gotten ahead of him. Wales need a miracle and the fault isn't with Gatland. It's the same with England, one good win against France last week and Ireland last year sugar coats a lot. I feel bad for Wales as there isn't a greater rugby country. They deserve better. But Gats should never have come back. He's the greatest coach Wales and the Lions have ever had..let the man rest now
Thank you Mr G for all the years of work you put in for the Welsh.
An undignified exit but inevitable.
But... Gatland may have made poor decisions, been subjected to internal politics that are still raging; he never missed a tackle, dropped a ball, gave away a string of penalties, etc.
His leaving will not change ANY of that.
May God have mercy on our rugby souls...
As a Welsh man. I will always love him for the success we had in the “glory days”
However this needed to happen and is hopefully the first step in getting back to said glory days
i don't want to be an ass but your " Glory Days "
was the 70s where you won 3 Grandslams and a total of 7 Championships 5 Outright 2 shared
and could have won another in 1972 but the competition was scrapped partially through due to Bloody Sunday
Happy for Matt Sherratt to get the temporary job who I think has been excellent this season so far for Cardiff and has a great relationship with the Cardiff based players but I do think that is the correct decision as I don't want to see all his hard work undone at Cardiff. The WRU now need to pull out their brains (if they have any) and really think hard about the next coach and who is going to turn it around for us.
As for Gatland, I'm gutted for him but this just couldn't continue. Sure, he's absolutely not responsible for the mess Welsh rugby is in but as the last 2 years of being in charge of Wales he has just kept making mistake after mistake and made the situation far worse than it already is.
This is a tragic way to end the Gatland and Wales story. At the end of the Autumn, I finally reached the point I thought the time was up. It's just how directionless we look. I see so many saying that it's not his fault, and so much of the current predicment lies at the feet of the wru, but we're not getting better, we're getting worse and for those here and now performance related issues, Gatland is responsible.
Jaysus you're fast! Just saw you were on for half an hour on For the Love of Rugby podcast!
I honestly think when Garland offered his resignation at the end of the last year's 6N, he meant it. He literally said he wouldn't have taken the job if he knew how bad things were in Welsh rugby. Everything he's done since stinks of a guy who no longer gives a sh*t, and is trying to get fired so they'd have to pay out his contract.
But he really spiked your guns and those of many other cynics by waiving his severance package.
Netflix guuted they werent doing a season 3. Could've done 6 episodes just on Wales
It's unheard of for a coach to leave mid 5 or 6 nations championship!!! Gatland must have really mentally checked out. He should never have gone back. He should have known that the player pool coming through for wales was poor, and he got lucky as a coach with wales Golden Generation.
As ever measured erudite and highly intuitive
Their analysis and understanding of rugby is excellent
I have a lot of time for Gatland. He had a near impossible job here, as will whoever takes over from him. He was an easy target when the real blame lies with the WRU and its junketing, arrogant leadership. Not paying players, misoginy, a development system put together on the cheap - instead of what Italy and Ireland for example have developed. And don't give me the geography argument, both the above countries are bigger geographically than Wales. We should be thanking Gatland for all his work in such difficult conditions.
see this is what i dont get ok fine sack him WHY ARE YOU DOING IT MID CHAMPIONSHIP whoever is going to come in is almost guaranteed going to get an almighty Hiding against Ireland and then people will be saying we really should have let him see out the Championship yes as bad as the situation goes an unexpected coach would do worse
Thank you Gatland. So many great achievements and amazing memories 😊❤
Spot on analysis. Liked and subbed.
only just subbed, where on earth have you been hiding, get urself a pack of beer, and start binge watching, you have a lot of catching up to do
Love what you said about focusing on the person and not just the player ! I’m a people coach exploring how to use all my skills and talent in the rugby world to help players navigate the world of being a rugby player 🎉
Too much politics in welsh rugby for the last five years. He backed the union not the players during the strike. If he backed the players, things may have been worse, maybe. Don’t forget, there were issues in 2019 when the ospreys nearly folded during the Six Nations. He was subjected to politics no coach should be put through. I for one would buy him a pint if we met in a pub for where he took us since 2008. General Gatland, I salute you.
Nothing can tarnish Gatland's record with Wales. He was an incredible coach, you could see the belief his players had and I think his success papered over some very deep cracks in Welsh rugby.
You know the saying, it takes a lifetime to build a reputation, a moment to destroy it.
Does Sherrat bring in new squad members at this point? Max Llewelyn, Gareth Anscombe/Jarod Evans, Morgan Morris, Rhys Carre, Dylan Lewis, Rio Dyer, Olly Cracknel. Start building for teh future now
Nice work turning this around so quick!
Right up to the end he was an honourable man and waived a six figure fee he could have demanded when they ended his contract early. With any luck Jockey will now call up a host of Cardiff and Glaws players and send our Ospreys home.
Has he not taken enough?? He shouldn't have been offered the job in the first place.
This video was impressively well prepared lol
It's like a obituary for an old celebrity. Most of this has been ready for months...
He was the best but also the worst. Also Rudduck doesn't get credit for kickstarting Wales.
His player management has been dreadful post 2023 World Cup.
- Dumping players as quickly as he picked them (Winnett, Mann, Llewellyn, Martin, Lloyd etc).
- Throwing them under the bus. E.g. suggesting that Alex Mann said "I now know what a professional environment is like and what it should be like."; Criticising players after their review of him, saying that they don't know what a winning environment looks like, implying that their feedback means nothing and will not be taken on board.
- Infinite centre combinations.
- Picking Cory Hill after all the shit that happened with him, only to drop him last minute
- Sam Costelow being subbed onto the wing (this one is as literal bad management as you can get)
- Playing guys out of position, which ends up in them being major talking points of the tournament with masses of pressure piled on them. (Ben Thomas, Nick Tompkins)
There are many more things that I'm probably forgetting.
He was a great coach for us in the past, but I have a hard time feeling bad for him. The environment he created in the past year must have been horrible for the players.
The best time for him to go was right after the 2023 World Cup. The second best time is now.
"Die a hero or live long enough to become the villain"
dan edward's masterclass at 10 incoming (hopefully)
Jerad Evans?
Also I agree that a younger coach is probably the way forward. If you look at a lot of the top 10 international teams today they've all got head coaches in their mid 40's - early 50's. Farrell, Borthwick, Rassie, Townsend, Quesada, Razor etc. A lot of those guys have also been in their jobs for a few years now, so I think we were behind the times in this regard also.
Thanks for the vid 👍
What a respectful send off to what was once a good coach and a truly nice man. But that doesn't cover the crack that his tactics look dated and his selections were baffling. Well done gents.
Sad he's gone, sad he came back like this. I don't think he wanted it or has wanted it for a while after seeing what the job actually entailed after taking over... but thanks for the memories.
For almost all coaches in pretty much every sport there comes a time when it just stops working, no matter what they achieved in the past.
It's such a pity for his legacy. He shouldn't have come back and now will be remembered for the most recent history rather than the great things he did in the past. I feel sad for him.
It must have been pretty awful for him to walk in to changing rooms or call meetings with the players. You would imagine they would be skeptical or worse. It may be a kindness.
A sad end to a great legacy; almost the defininition of not going back. Warren's song is "don't look back in anger"
His first stint was a golden, generational standard; his second stint was an all time low. One doesn't take away from the other. Wish him all the best.
Inevitable
As a Welshman I am relieved, living in Scotland and I’ve been supporting them over Wales for the last three years because I’m struggling watching Wales playing badly. It’s just been rough
Gatlans had such a record and don’t think he should’ve come back
Typical rugby fan 😂 #parttimewelsh
@ do you find it hard to watch something that makes you feel like shit? ;)
A weak Wales is rubbish for 6 Nations rugby and all the european competitions, so although I'm not used to rooting for Wales in this case I really am. All the best for the rebuild, I hope the game gets back to where it should be in one of the great homes of rugby. Love from Dublin.
its amazing what can change in a few years i remember early 2010s one of the teams i was always most worried about facing was Wales every game was a huge test
but now ? there just Italy atm no fear of losing to them anymore
Hit the nail on the head there about not knowing what Gatland is trying to do
As someone who is principally against waterboarding, im glad Gatland is gone.
To paraphrase Dickens
With Gatland as coach for Wales it was the best of times and it was the worst of times.
Will always hold Gatland in high regard for what he achieved for Welsh rugby, that'll will never change
We need a root and branch reform (whatever that is). Breath some new life into the WRU and get rid of those who were responsible for the 2019 Project Regress...oops. Sorry, I mean, Reset.
Project Reset, well, that was a fkin joke, wasn't it.
BTW great discussion boys 👍
Japan beat SA out of nowhere in a WC, a written off England knocked favourited NZ out in a WC semi final, a fresh faced Wales with nothing to lose can bring down the green giant. I'm hoping they throw caution to the wind and come out with fire in their hearts. Maximum aggression, maximum passion, minimal pressure.
i would consider that the Biggest Upset in Rugby since Munster beat the All Blacks in 1978
I'd say squidge could have a decent chance of producing better results with this welsh team than Gatland has recently
From Ireland the view of Gatland has always been complex. Irish rugby was dead in the 90s and Gatland seemed the man to save it until the IRFU dropped him. It was galling to see his success with wasps and wales before the Irish teams came good so it was always that bit nicer to take down Wales.
The current run is not fully his fault, he did make mistakes and his return to the wales setup will go down as a bad decision but the wru also really needed reform to support rugby in wales going forward.
Ultimately he can retire as one of the most successful coaches of the northern hemisphere but I think it is time to finish now.
Could take or leave him seeing out the championship to the end but it is over now. I will miss beating him but I wont miss losing to him
Bloody hell, who are they going to get, Ted Lasso? The quality of players doesn't help when the WRU doesn't help with grooming players.
Best of luck, Wales. Sincerely hope that you can get back to where you have been many times before. The 6 nations is poorer without free-flowing Welsh rugby.
Squidge for next Wales head coach
As you guys said, there simply wasn't a clear path forward for Gatland. Absolutely nothing positive to build upon for Wales with him going forward.
Pat Lam head coach, Tandy and Toby Booth assistants 🤌🏼
Let's be honest. He was there, but gone long ago.
Great analysis guys, love your “work smarter, not harder”. Too many coaches are locked into the old style’ it’s what they grew up with, but isn’t something to help them succeed going forward. It’s a shame it hasn’t worked but he let himself be soft soaped by the WRFU about funding, staff relations etc
He has been exposed as having no empathy, a degree of misogyny and possessing a very narrow focus
Praise be
You know the saying, it takes a lifetime to build a reputation, a moment to destroy it.
It’s been a long moment for Wales.
That was quick!
Lot of similarities to Australia over the last few years. Cheika comes to mind for me. No question he is a fantastic coach, but when the environment doesn’t suit the coach, he can fall in form like a player can. I bet if Gatland like Cheika had the ideal circumstances for them he would still be winning and competitive. As an Aussie, plenty of sympathy your guys way 🤝
The WRU is beyond a joke and it's very little to do with any coaching set up. The system looks to be rotting and has been for years in Wales from what I can see.
In my opinion it's the executives that should've been sacked ages ago given the amount of failure they've resided over.
Changing coaches constantly hasn't done Wales any good for a long time but has cost extortionate amounts of money. Investment in grass roots, proper talent and squad depth is the only way we can compete, but that is unlikely to happen when ex players, mates and dads have coaching or other prominent positions across the game.
I’m excited to see how wales get worse from here.
Gatland going may not be enough if we keep Howley and Humphries around. The whole setup needs a rethink, including Abi Tierney who kicked the can down the road instead of accepting his resignation last year.
Irish Fan - The WRU structure is all wrong and they've been papering over the cracks for years with domestic club structures without feeders and so on
It's been like it for 20 odd years.
I've seen nepotism and favouritism stifling class players and allowing bang average to get chosen for development.
One year my regional development (at a juniors level) team had 13 out of 30 squad members from one team because the coach of the academy for that season was the coach of that particular team. They were mid table of a mid tier league but he was still able to select nearly half of his squad from his own crap side 😂 He had potentially hundreds of players in the leagues overall, and would've easily had 60 players from outside his team who would've been selected by their clubs to go up for selection (my club only sent I think 3 players that year out of their squad of 30ish).
This was close to 20 years ago but I have little faith much has changed seeing how entrenched the culture is of local clubs relying on volunteering with little funding, which allows individual personalities to take over and have too much influence.
Much respect to Warren Gatland. But moving forward now I would like to see Cheika in for a short term gain (he's not a long term coach), with Adam Jones in backroom staff, not just for scrum knowledge but culture as well. Perhaps time of Rob Howley to move on now as well.
I think it's important to acknowledge these guys have overseen the greatest Welsh team of the last 30 - 40 years, but also that it's now time for something new in how we manage the team, and that the WRU need a wholesale rethink of how money is spent in the union.
Is it possible for a team coached by cheika to lose to Wales without his complaining foul. Anyone but him.
Before Gatlands return Dan Biggar on a podcast asked for a Welsh coach to train the Wales Team to the ground like in his day... Gatland came shortly after.
My biggest bugbear with Warren is he waits far too long to make changes when things aren't working
yea the reality is he was using outdated tactics that just dont work anymore
or more accurately you need Generational Talent to do it
ie
Shane Williams
AWJ
Biggar
North
Halfpenny
etc
who the hell do they have today thats even half the man these Giants were
You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain -Warren Gatland, 2025
Gareth Anscombe was in Rome on Saturday, in the crowd !
Im not sure i agree on the talent being there, lads. Such a fascinating case of a lost generation. I just dont see many players outside of maybe 2 or 3 that are in any way up to this level. How many would realistically get into an Italian team for example?
So how many Welsh players are holding down secure places in Gallagher Premiership sides, or French Top 14 sides? Doesn't mean they could gel into an international side, but the raw materials are definitely still there, we just aren't selecting/developing them.
@PeerAdder Sorry. I just don't agree that the pieces are there. Some players are decent. Most are well well below the standard Wales have held over the last few decades
It’s hardly Gatland’s fault that the system in Wales has stopped producing top level players. Still though, they kinda need to move on with a new leadership.
After all the jammy wins wales have had in the 6 nations over the years. I love the schadenfreude of it all but it’s just gotten sad at this point.
In fairness, those players didn't disappear overnight. They weren't unavailable through a one off serious injury. If anything they held on too long and the WRU and their coaches waited too long to blood the replacements. I don't think it's a lack of talent, I think it's a lack of planning, a lack of care (maybe competence) in game management with the WRU. I remember hearing that all the Welsh regions had been saddled with £1m plus debts after covid. That's just never going to fly. It's horrible losing to Wales but it's awful for rugby in the northern hemisphere to see where Welsh Rugby is right now.
tbf the regions being saddled with an uncompetitive finance model is absolutely a core part of the problem, as while you don't need the regions winning every competition you at least need a competitive environment to help them kick on.
I mean look at Rio Dyer. Some might argue he's rightly been left out of this squad due to a lack of form (personally id have picked him anyway but I digress) but that ignores the core conceit that the reason he's so out of form is because decades of chronic underinvestment in the dragons have left them with a complete lack of decent ball carriers outside of Wainwright, an inability to consistently punch the gainline (which in the modern game is a death sentence) which leads to the attack not functioning a Rio getting next to no ball or when he does get it he can either barely do anything with it or is so cold due to barely having decent ball all year he makes sub optimal choices. Put some money into the dragons pack and Dyer becomes a better player almost instantly. a few months of playing behind that pack and he's back to his best.
You can see that happening pretty consistently to all the young talent Wales has been trying to bring though over the past few years (save for Jack Morgan but that kids a freak of nature that seeming cannot be held back ever) and the regions are only just starting to get on top of it (aside from the dragons but it does sound like they are going on a massive recruitment drive this year and a lot of this seasons problems are tied back to a mess left behind after the club went back into private ownership and culture fixes behind the scenes that had gone under the radar while it as still owned by the WRU)
Wales to bring in up and coming coach from the French league, Porward Fass
Saffa living in wales for the past decade. Simply put, Wales does not have the quality of players to be a t1 nation any longer.
As great as Gatland was, youth development and the game at lower levels is barren and barely being kept alive. Over the past decade living here, there seems to be less people getting involved in the sport at a younger age, then with this shrinking pool of professional players, as a country there just isnt enough there. Then to take what is there and make it grow, there doesnt seem to be much if any plans on doing so (or at least i cannot see it).
We wont see Wales be a power again until the next generation, or the one after im afraid. i may be proven wrong.
as a saffa i remember the dark days before Rassie came back. But there is a difference betwen both countries. 1st, sheer numbers. 2, many of the players that have gone onto win the past 2 world cups - significant numbers were already there on the team. so a new coach could come in and work a miracle, but who does wales have that can walk in and do that
Now he's gone, he should do the decent thing and explain what he was thinking in picking ben at 10. He must have had some kind of strategy... surely?
For me, nothing will ever surpass that 2015 wc game. Test rugby at it's most theatrical.
It's heartbreaking wales have fallen to sacking our greatest ever coach mid tournament, and it feels worse that it was the right decision.
Thanks for the memories, gats. 🥲
Italy ambushed Wales. Because it never rains in The Valleys.
7:37 always 2 sides to ever story , gotta find the truth
What exactly is inexcusable, what is he on about? Are these two in spport of the Delilah ban and filtering the money needed to support this mens game into the women's game?
Wouldnt be surprised to see lancaster getting the job .
Sad times for Welsh rugby and Warren personally, I'm sure. The problems go deeper than the coach, but something had to give after some pretty abject performances. Gatland's re-appointment following the panic-firing of Wayne Pivac was the product of a childish impulse to return to a confort zone of predictable mediocrity, when fresh thinking and perspectives were needed. Whatever the WRU do next, for the love of God, do not go with Michael Chieka. You might get a couple of good results in his first year in charge, but Wales will be a Tier 2 rugby nation by the time he's done.
Siding with the WRU during the player strike was a fatal error
Glad he's gone. Yes, he brought success for the union but he was lucky to have a great bunch of players. Agree that his handling of the strike and misogyny allegations are inexcusable. Unfortunately I can't see the general picture improving until the WRU itself is reformed. And as many in rugby in (south) Wales still don't see why their old fashioned attitudes are a problem, this is unlikely to happen.
The New Welsh coach is an Englishman, and the CEO of WRU is an Englishwoman. Are there no Welsh coaches?
Did they give you a heads up so you could make this video first?
Hit the notification harder than Gatland ruined his legacy
Hear me out but Wales should try and get Dave Rennie. Although his record was lot the best at the Wallabies things were improving under him and he just needed more time. A Dave Rennie run Wales team would be interesting!
Wonder if howley had a bet on he'd be sacked before end of 6 nations.
Should have happened a long time ago. He failed with the chiefs and he and Howley have failed miserably with Wales.
So wales we never no 1 in the world in 2018 and 19 then, and on a foundations of a very small player base relative to other top tier nations, 78000 at last count
Welsh rugby is going the way of the Dodo.
Let's be realistic, this isn't the heyday of the 70's,or the fake dawn of the 2010's,its been coming for a long time in Wales.
The kids in Wales now play football because they are saturated by it week in,week out..Long gone are the days of the regions putting on the red jersey and becoming something they are not inherently. Be envious of the Irish model,but here is a thought.
Emulate it from the grassroots up and reap the rewards or dwindle
Was Warren Gatland the same coach without Sean Edwards?
I feel like Wales are now in a situation that Ireland was in the 90s. It will take a complete reconfiguration of the WRU, the academies and mindset. This is going to take over a decade to implement but its best for Welsh rugby to just rip off that band--aid now.
Wales should hire Clayton Macmillan (probably not available) but he managed to fix Gatland's most recent mess at the chiefs...
I disagree you don't have the players. Tomos Williams, Cam Winnett, Tom Rogers, Max Llewellyn, Jac Morgan, Aaron Wainright - build a team of consistent selection around this spine of excellent players and you'll probably be fine. Anscombe should have been a wise head at 10 for this 6N but hey ho.