Sajid Javid on Liz Truss, Boris Johnson and The Tory Leadership Contest

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  • Sajid Javid is a British politician who served as Secretary of State for Health and Social Care, having previously served as Home Secretary and Chancellor of the Exchequer, amongst other leading roles.
    On this episode of Leading he sits down with Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart to discuss anti-muslim hatred, competing with Rory to become Conservative Party Leader and Prime Minister, fixing the country's healthcare system, Keir Starmer and Rishi Sunak's chances in the upcoming election, and much more.
    What is Sajid's biggest regret from his time in politics? What barriers did he come up against in the Shamima Begum case during his time as Home Secretary? Will the NHS survive? How are politicians working to combat anti-muslim and antisemitic racism in the UK? How does Sajid maintain friendships across party lines? Was austerity the only option for the Conservatives following the financial crash?
    Rory and Alastair are joined by Sajid Javid, former Home Secretary, Chancellor of the Exchequer, Secretary of State for Health, and many more cabinet positions, to answer all these questions and more.
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  • @davidgoddard3903
    @davidgoddard3903 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +103

    This podcast shows respect can be extended even where disagreement exists. I am concerned the the comments section seems increasingly not to observe the same decency.
    You two are doing a great job and are much appreciated

    • @rosey_ie
      @rosey_ie 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Well observed and well said David 👏🏻

    • @Dilbert-o5k
      @Dilbert-o5k 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      They are the same uniparty with essentially the same policies

    • @lw1zfog
      @lw1zfog 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😂 Rory failed to declare his role as chair at ‘Le Cercle’, whilst acting as a uk mp.
      ‘decency’ wut ?

    • @TheMarlinspike
      @TheMarlinspike 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Dilbert-o5k They really aren't. The fact that you haven't even got a name suggests perhaps your comments are coming from a certain place abroad, and should therefore be ignored.

  • @supernoodles91
    @supernoodles91 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +201

    Cabinet minister in SIX different departments, this is just one of the reasons Britain just doesn't work

    • @georgek3398
      @georgek3398 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Expert of nothing

    • @marythorpe928
      @marythorpe928 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      We now have a Labour Government ,, How good is that.

    • @phill6859
      @phill6859 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@marythorpe928at least there are less racists in parliament, though we picked up a couple of far right reform politicians

  • @buzzukfiftythree
    @buzzukfiftythree 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +438

    The fact that Sajid Javid believes that the Tories deserve a second chance invalidates pretty much everything he says in the rest of the interview.

    • @bereal6590
      @bereal6590 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      👍👌

    • @seymourclearly
      @seymourclearly 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      Well he is bound to say that, he is a politician

    • @PMMagro
      @PMMagro 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      After such a lonmg time in power soemtimes with big majority the tarck record is a disaster and plain to see.

    • @t.p.mckenna
      @t.p.mckenna 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      I had never given this man the time of day, previously, so found myself very impressed in the first 50 minutes ... but all that stopped when he reverted so completely to Tory type. He had the easiest of rides from AC & RS also. No mention, whatsoever, of all the scandals - Paterson, endemic paid lobbying, PPE and all that - and, no matter what RS would like to think, the complete an utter dross that has got its feet under the Cabinet table.

    • @TejSingh-xj3ux
      @TejSingh-xj3ux 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Party over country. Always. They're fundamentally emotionally damaged.

  • @CloudhoundCoUk
    @CloudhoundCoUk 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +146

    Sajid stated a lack of banking regulations. Before the 2008 crash, both Cameron and Osbourne screamed time again for fewer regulations. After 2008 silent. When the Tories were in government they dismantled what regulations Labour brought in. That is an example of Tory's criminal disaster capitalism actions. Sajid despite the overwhelming evidence is still denying the failure of Brexit. This is yet another example of the Tories being unfit for public office. Not admitting Brexit failures makes Sajid unfit for public office.

    • @Steve-gc5nt
      @Steve-gc5nt 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's not Brexit that has failed, it's the politicians for not making it work.

    • @nicennice
      @nicennice 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      The only person I remember consistently warning of the impending disaster and calling for more banking regulation before the crash was Vince Cable. Labour may have been sleeping walking into that disaster but certainly, there was no great call from Conservatives for more banking regulation. There still isn't in fact.

    • @astalavista_84
      @astalavista_84 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Gordon Brown firmly believed in “the market” and financial deregulation. He implemented those policies to deregulate that in part resulted in 2008 crash.
      The Conservatives dismantled the FSA that Labour had setup because it wasn’t fit for purpose.

    • @bigmanting4041
      @bigmanting4041 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      he is no longer a politician. He doesn't need to be fit for public office. Thankfully he's gone now

    • @jackstevens2437
      @jackstevens2437 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      same with the Iraq war, the tories were screaming for war and Blair had no choice, join the US and not get called a coward/ weak prime minister, or not join and get called that and then have an inside job terrorist attack force them to join the war anyway

  • @jeremyanderson8433
    @jeremyanderson8433 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +187

    Populism is a symptom of wealth inequality - that is the fundamental problem that needs addressing. Populism will continue to exist whilst wealth inequality persists and keeps getting worse.

    • @mootedtols4865
      @mootedtols4865 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Perhaps, but the specific trends we've seen in lockstep with new technologies does have historical precedent. The radio for example. New technologies bring new risks, and governments across the west have been largely asleep at the wheel.

    • @anonitachi6966
      @anonitachi6966 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Welcome to a capitalist system where a government is told what to do by big business and the media. Those peasants aren't going to keep themselves in line... well, I take that back; in Britain, the peasants actually do keep themselves in line. It's quite mind blowing.
      #stockholmsyndromeuk

    • @colinstephenson5386
      @colinstephenson5386 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ⁠@@anonitachi6966hey up anonitachi,,,,you’ve just turned my head around , everything you’ve said took me back to the 2016 Referendum , for a long time the powerful and wealthy people have attempted everything to coral the working classes , suddenly along comes a Referendum which made the peasants as you call them stampede into line in order to follow the people who’d refrain from even shiting on them most of the time , I have to admit they’ve done a damn good job of wiping the floor with the have nothings ?

    • @anonitachi6966
      @anonitachi6966 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@colinstephenson5386 totally agree. Another example of a 3-word slogan, ego and hate, getting the masses to goose-step in whichever direction they're pointed. They're doing it again at this moment with the ECHJ. They vote and support their own oppression, led by millionaire cowards who as you say, wouldn't even shit on them. It's maddening and fascinating, watching people so brainwashed and so stupid.

    • @Mike20216
      @Mike20216 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agree to a point, Problem is a lot of the populists are the privilaged and already comfortably well off, Ignorance and Racism are bigger symptoms.

  • @danielkenealy7503
    @danielkenealy7503 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    Would listen to this if it were correctly titled. Who decided to omit the word "badly" from the end of the podcast title?

  • @ianheffernan3441
    @ianheffernan3441 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Could you do an episode around independent MP’s and how their experience differs from party-affiliated MP’s? Ideally someone thats never been in a party, it would be interesting to learn how they come to terms with their role without support of a party.
    Personally i think the country would benefit from a much higher percentage of MP’s that aren’t affiliated to political parties.

  • @markdemariassy8685
    @markdemariassy8685 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Another great leading interview. Left me feeling similarly to when I heard Sajid (and others) on Nick Robinson's Political Thinking bbc sounds podcast. While not agreeing with all he said, he sounded like a real human being and a decent bloke, but why oh why is he (and others) not the same person when they are in office? Its one of the main issues with the party system (along with the whole 'broad church' thing, which I think can too often lead to what can be tantamount to fraud).

  • @edthompson9337
    @edthompson9337 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    What did this man do to become a Sir? I can't think of anything he has done which would justify the title!

  • @alan_davis
    @alan_davis 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    He cannot see (or chooses not to see...) past the end of his nose. From any objective view, the last decade has been destructive in this country, he can cherry-pick some good points, but the country is objectively worse than it was before this government.
    Other than his partisan blindness (probably he was following the party line), he seems an intelligent and thoughtful man and much more what we need vs. Truss, Johnson, Sunak etc.

  • @pt99810
    @pt99810 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Illuminating and open, high quality discussion. Much appreciated.

  • @LS-xs7sg
    @LS-xs7sg 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    Ask him about his financial dealings and how the exchequer essentially did a deal with him.

    • @bereal6590
      @bereal6590 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      They didn't challenge him at all. Worst interview I've seen them do. Rory was pathetic

    • @W_Bin
      @W_Bin 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Why don't you tell us about it, if you think it is significant? Don't leave us in the dark with innuendo.

    • @yetidodger6650
      @yetidodger6650 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why dont you look, its all there to see​@W_Bin

  • @John-nu1vp
    @John-nu1vp 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +92

    Things would have been worse if it weren't for austerity.........you sir, have a glittering future in comedy

    • @bereal6590
      @bereal6590 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Exactly

    • @robfodder5575
      @robfodder5575 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Im failing to see how COVID spending ontop of prior spending from 2008, without change, would be better so not seeing your point.
      Thats not to say austerity in the form implemented wasnt in the wrong places...etc but what he said, WRT to current financial position, is resonable.

    • @Mike20216
      @Mike20216 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Agree enjoyed the interview, but it was riddled with bullshit like that.

    • @samworrall6789
      @samworrall6789 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I’d like to know what solution you would have come up with. Glaringly absent from your comment is any rebuttal of Javid’s point about needing to reduce the record budget deficit left over by labour in 2010

    • @hahmed6308
      @hahmed6308 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@samworrall6789before the financial crash of 2008, national debt was about £400 Billion, Gordon Brown PM, then led the charge to save the world banking system. quantitative easing, to save British banks, increased national debt to £800 billion by 2010. Is anybody seriously saying Labour caused the world financial crash, caused by US subprime lending? Just as nobody would say Covid was the fault of the Tories. UK national debt is three times higher than 2010, nearly 99% of GDP, £2640 Billion, £400 billion of that due to Covid.
      Who thinks the Tories are good at managing the economy. As the Tories constantly repeat that a labour Minister wrote a joking note, there’s no money left, when the debt was £800 billion, how will they describe our current position?

  • @MsPaulathomas
    @MsPaulathomas 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Sorry can someone explain to me why when there has been an orgy of private borrowing the public purse gets blamed for it??§

  • @janetke6673
    @janetke6673 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +93

    So the report which thoroughly exonerated Jeremy Corbin of antisemitism and the several Jewish people in his constituency who spoke highly of him are to be ignored. So sad that you did not at least challenge what he said because what came across was that you all agreed..

    • @TheRasteri
      @TheRasteri 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      none of them actually believe corbyn's an antisemite. Javid lies about it because corbyn would have made his rich mates pay more tax, the other two lie about it because corbyn wouldn't hold a second referendum.

    • @casperhiscock4871
      @casperhiscock4871 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Other reports exist which say the opposite. For example: "We found specific examples of harassment, discrimination and political
      interference in our evidence, but equally of concern was a lack of leadership within the Labour Party on these issues, which is hard to reconcile with its stated commitment to a zero-tolerance approach to antisemitism." (Equality and Human rights commission, 2020). Finding several Jewish people in his constituency who spoke highly of him doesn't clear him of anti-semitism in the same way that having black friends doesn't mean you're not a racist. I'd like to know the report you refer to.

    • @johnstewart4943
      @johnstewart4943 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Yes, this was very disappointing

    • @dilonkumar4960
      @dilonkumar4960 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@casperhiscock4871equality commission stocked by anti Muslim pro zionists

    • @spicyf
      @spicyf 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@casperhiscock4871thank you!

  • @msiddiqui135
    @msiddiqui135 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Three scoundrels of British politics.

  • @W_Bin
    @W_Bin 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I love it. _"We've done such a lot of good work, I don't know why the country is a disaster""_
    - I wonder what the obvious answer to that conundrum is?
    Other than that - very interesting.

  • @rhysfew6014
    @rhysfew6014 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    One of my close friends took a part time job alongside working for the NHS to teach students going into the health service at a university. He said all the head lecturers had left on his first day and he was made course leader on day one with no real experience in teaching. Inevitably him and his colleague left after a month realizing thier was no support or guidance. He said that this was the third time in a year all lecturers had left leading this course in London our capital. Low wages and bad treatment within institutions is causing this. People want to feel appreciated and supported whilst learning within new roles. All the veterans have left our education leaving a massive gap of knowledge to be passed down.
    My sister in high school and said there is now not enough teachers to have sets within schools so they are in mixed sets, which means behavioral issues are ever present and it is hard to learn.
    I'm not sure how he can sit there and say there are improvements has he actually spoken to people on the ground?

  • @swiggsoclock
    @swiggsoclock 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +122

    Sajid Javid rowing back his earlier comments: part 107

    • @paulheydarian1281
      @paulheydarian1281 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Well, he wants to keep his position of influence. To do that he's positioned himself into the confluence of power.

  • @jamesgrant3343
    @jamesgrant3343 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thank you gents. Very interesting. The more of these I see the more I realise that part of our problems with the public’s relationship with our politics is because we have a ‘party line’ which tells MPs they are representing a party rather than representing the public. It’d be much healthier if our MPs were ‘allowed’ or brave enough to express themselves clearly during interviews and on This Morning or PM without fearing the whip. We didn’t vote for the whip, and it isn’t ‘the whip’ being interviewed.

  • @RichardLamsdale
    @RichardLamsdale 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I remember back in 2010-15 being so frustrated that Labour failed to defend their record, allowing the Conservatives to establish the narrative of Labour economic mis-management. I think at one point Ed Milliband even conceded the point. Corbyn then further trashed Labour’s record. The Tories never do this. Labour did exactly the same after 1979. The whole country pays a high price for Labour's factionalism and idealism.

    • @alicklongwe5508
      @alicklongwe5508 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That's a good one!!!

  • @rickatatastan2695
    @rickatatastan2695 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Thanks for this video gents. When I watched the Covid inquiry, I wondered what Cummings meant when he called ministers "useless fuckpigs". Now I know.

  • @chriswilde6674
    @chriswilde6674 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Rory, do you have any plans to have Gary Stevenson as a guest? I feel he is the most compelling economist I have heard and having you and Alastair interview him would make for a great podcast.

  • @greendaytomd96
    @greendaytomd96 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    So he subscribes to a heirarchy of racism then? 'Antisemitism' is fine but 'islamophobia' is too broad? Has he read the definition of antisemitism? Half of the points relate to the state of Israel and what you cant say about its governments foreign policy ...

    • @Joeshapiro7
      @Joeshapiro7 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Half the points relate to anti-semitism against Jews from a National perspective because that is currently the most comment form in western countries. If we still had blood libels things might be different and most of the points would be not accusing Jews of making Matzah using blood.

    • @greendaytomd96
      @greendaytomd96 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@Joeshapiro7 It is very reminiscent of how criticism of Boris Johnson's government or Brexit was dismissed with - "you're anti British" or "hate Britain" - by right wing apologists.

    • @Joeshapiro7
      @Joeshapiro7 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@greendaytomd96 I don't think so. I think that most anti-zionists are either anti-semites or somewhat naive. So it doesn't surprise me that in a party where anti-zionists were made to feel comfortable that anti-semitism would be commonplace. I think it's important to delineate a line between criticism of the Israeli government or even actions of the Israeli state which are usually legitimate and anti-zionism which is usually anti-semitic because it usually meets one of the 3 d's which are demonization of Jews, delegitimization or the holding of Jews to a double standard.

    • @samworrall6789
      @samworrall6789 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Well to be fair, the point was around language. We don’t say judaephobia for example (not sure I’ve spelt that right). I don’t agree with him on avoiding the term Islamophobia, just pointing out that his point was different

    • @gdwe1831
      @gdwe1831 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Islam is not a race though, its an ethnically diverse regressive religion...

  • @RunOfTheHind
    @RunOfTheHind 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Ahhh, Sajid 'Non-Dom/Off-Shore Trust' Javid. Quality guest.

  • @NebulaObserver
    @NebulaObserver 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Interview Gary Stevenson please

  • @PauldeSwardt
    @PauldeSwardt 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    Actually, quite an enlightening interview, having only heard him in politically crafted sound bites. The only disappointment is that he rolled out that tired old trope about Jeremy Corbyn being anti-semitic because of his stance against a very right wing Israeli Government.

    • @jeremymanson1781
      @jeremymanson1781 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Er.. there is a whole shed load of other incidents - in fact I didn't even know that was one of them?

    • @robfodder5575
      @robfodder5575 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not sure if there was more then that i.e. Corbyn did have more of a prejudice, but assuming not its somewhat similar to critiques of the specific religion mentioned in this interview and how its bundled in with racism, islamophobia..etc. Its a technique to shut people down without debating the merits of their arguments.

    • @jeremymanson1781
      @jeremymanson1781 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@robfodder5575 One example: Corbyn wrote a glowing foreword for a century-old political tract that includes antisemitic tropes.
      The book, Imperialism: A Study, written by John Atkinson Hobson in 1902, claimed European finance was controlled by “men of a single and peculiar race”. Corbyn described the book as “brilliant”.

    • @farzanamughal5933
      @farzanamughal5933 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@jeremymanson1781what other incidents

    • @jeremymanson1781
      @jeremymanson1781 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@farzanamughal5933 One example: Corbyn wrote a glowing foreword for a century-old political tract that includes antisemitic tropes.
      The book, Imperialism: A Study, written by John Atkinson Hobson in 1902, claimed European finance was controlled by “men of a single and peculiar race”. Corbyn described the book as “brilliant”.

  • @vickilucille
    @vickilucille 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank God we’re saying it out loud here-not like the US!! I’m dual nationality US living in UK and dialogue is so much healthier here, it has been many years! Thank you for bringing this perspective; love UK - we don’t want to be USA with all its bigotry - no way no how. Do not let hate groups seep their rhetoric into our political rhetoric. It’s a way of allowing Putinesque theory into our culture. No thank you!

    • @SuezWSuezW
      @SuezWSuezW 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Similar to Canada and Australia in my experience. Not perfect at all, lots of difficulties with opportunists trying to create divisions. Let's hope for the best and stay vigilant.

    • @overnightparking
      @overnightparking 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm also a dual US/UK national living permanently in the UK and I'm not blind to the problems here but I feel exactly as you do. I'm proud to be British though I desperately want us to improve and generally i'm ashamed by the decent into madness that is the current American political system with its conspiracy theories, hatreds, lies and ĺoss of civility.

  • @jonevans4331
    @jonevans4331 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wow, brilliant one chaps. Really enjoyed that one.
    Sajid Javid, never knew much about him,
    He came across really well. Man from nothing.
    Sad to see him go, but he probably sees the ship sinking and is swimming to his new island.
    Hats off to him, he's put the work in, now time to get paid without the BS.
    I'd do that tbh, Politics is brutal.

  • @jasonshank1408
    @jasonshank1408 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I wonder when the major politics parties will take note of these longer format discussions. Most of those (from across the spectrum) Raynor, Keegan and Sajid come across so much better on these vs the ‘gotcha style’ traditional media interviews. That said, I can respect podcasts such as this appeal to the more politically interested however perhaps the best format to engage those swing voters?

  • @kassistwisted
    @kassistwisted 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The use of words meaning hatred ending in -phobia are entirely inaccurate. When someone has a phobia, they have an unconsicous negative response to a stimulus, for example heights. You don't choose to make your heart beat faster or your vision blur when you are on a high place. It's unconsious. Hating Muslims is not a phobia. It's not unconscious. So while Javid did not use this as justification, he is correct that those who discriminate against Muslim people are guilty of anti-Muslim hatred, not Islamaphobia.

  • @jonathanpercevalmaxwell8651
    @jonathanpercevalmaxwell8651 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sajid, was very interesting. Balanced and reasonable, and a pity he did not make it further...

  • @eliseleonard3477
    @eliseleonard3477 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It’s very frustrating to hear discussions about spending and austerity without any mention of fair taxation. A clear focus on wealth inequality would go a long way to relieving the populist pressure and racism that distorts politics in the UK, US, and across Europe.

  • @JamesSinclairEntrepreneur
    @JamesSinclairEntrepreneur 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Well, I never realised just how much a nice, smart chap Sajid is.

  • @chandi58
    @chandi58 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Totally agree about Sajid’s proposal of a Royal Commission regarding health service, having spent my whole life working in NHS.

  • @Claymore5
    @Claymore5 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Fascinating insight into the way Sajid Javid thinks - he certainly came over as a lot more interesting and thoughtful than he did as a minister. I do think he is a man of honour though as he did resign twice over matters of principle - even though he and I are poles apart in our politics.

  • @brodie4603
    @brodie4603 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Why can't we have proportional representation in this country?

    • @cidercik
      @cidercik 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Won't have anything good until people stop believing the bullshit thrown at leaders who are actually trying to make a difference. And these two also won't speak out against untruths and trashing the reputations of politicians who actually care, so are also part of the problem.

  • @lexheroes
    @lexheroes 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This was an interesting programme. Sajid Javid came across as a decent person with well-developed opinions supported by facts. It was only spoilt by two things: Campbell trying to score political points throughout (contrast Stewart, who asked good questions and seemed interested in the responses); and the condescending tone offered by both Campbell and Stewart once Javid was longer present (and behaving therefore like typical politicians).

  • @BjørjaBear
    @BjørjaBear 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This interview is a good showcase to why this podcast has succeeded so well. Simply very well done, and a very good listen.

  • @MichaelBennett1
    @MichaelBennett1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Being a likeable person when talking candidly, as Sajid was, doesn’t necessarily them good ministers or leaders, as we found to our cost with Boris.

  • @tahirlodhi9492
    @tahirlodhi9492 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Enjoyed listening to the debate!

  • @alexm7310
    @alexm7310 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    27, 44, soon to be 50% of total Government expenditure - that's crazy! Where's it going!? It's a bottomless pit. Unsustainable

    • @ER.Hart2000
      @ER.Hart2000 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      nobody wants to talk about it , you cannot criticise
      it or u are ousted

    • @alexm7310
      @alexm7310 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ER.Hart2000 I think it was Sajid that said, we need to give some thought to PREVENTION! We seem entirely geared up to treat, sometimes when it's way too late

  • @TheDandonian
    @TheDandonian 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This podcast needs a Jamie. You can't just be having politicians reel off a bunch of unchecked bollox like Javid did when asked about 14 years of Conservative rule.

  • @jamesjarrett52
    @jamesjarrett52 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This guy sums up the Tories
    I quit
    I quit
    I quit
    I quit
    Pitiful

  • @annparker3222
    @annparker3222 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Really enjoyed this. Many thanks.

  • @veeday1146
    @veeday1146 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Encouraging to hear him uncovering the truth of the last lot of governments. Why the hell did he join the Tory party with all those weak, unprincipled people and racist stirring. His accepting a knighthood from such a party must be the answer.

    • @veeday1146
      @veeday1146 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      We’ve done a lot on gay marriage, green measures, mental health blah blah. Afraid they didn’t follow up with their grand programme with the money and regulation to make it work. Sorry Javid, nice as you want to appear, you and the party you supported have ruined the country

    • @bereal6590
      @bereal6590 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@veeday1146 yup, he is a liar. He was in it for himself, money and power

  • @dominicbritt
    @dominicbritt 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Why is it that the Conservative Government 2010-2024 has found it so hard to run Government Departments, when the Labour Government 1997-2009 seem to have done this successfully and achieved so much?
    In my experience working in large Global Organisations for 20 years, this often comes down to management style, lack of communication/clarity and how smart or stupid ideas are...

    • @DavidF-y4t
      @DavidF-y4t 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      As a Whitehall native - yes. Yes it is. Although whilst we thought the Coalition was challenging, we had no IDEA what was coming down the track at high speed. As a civil servant, what I want from Ministers/Administrations is competence and professionalism - even bad policy is handleable if we have that.

    • @bereal6590
      @bereal6590 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@DavidF-y4t good policy and good governance is the sweet spot. Sadly neither are true of the last 14 years of tory

    • @ravindra7791
      @ravindra7791 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Let's see how Kiers Labour do it. I think the second half of the term with Johnson and Truss it has been a disaster. But the first half, with Cameron and co they were trying to put back the UK on it's feet. Labour during the Blair term were lucky that they benefited from difficult choices made in the past.

  • @andyambrose2921
    @andyambrose2921 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Excellent interview.

  • @spiderliam
    @spiderliam 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Corbyn doesn’t have a problem with Jewish people. He has an issue with the implementation of Zionism and genocidal maniacs in Israel. Anti Zionism is not anti semitism. Semitism isn’t exclusive to Jewish people either. Arabic is a Semitic language. Arabs are a Semitic people. People need to actually learn the definitions of words before throwing out poorly educated opinions.

  • @NecroPredator
    @NecroPredator 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is very good! Keep up the good work!

  • @wolfa5151
    @wolfa5151 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Yea, running 6 Government dept. And none of these were run properly. Well done.

  • @nicennice
    @nicennice 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Not a real Sajid Javid fan but he comes across OK in this interview. Rory's "Where did it all go wrong?" question and Sajid's answer speak volumes for why the Conservatives and the country are in such a mess. How about 14 years of completely wrong and disastrous policies that were only ever designed to serve their own interests and not those of the country. His weak response was so much denialism otherwise how could he have possibly supported Liz Truss after serving in government with her?

  • @fenderek666
    @fenderek666 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It made me think...
    Why are ministers and strategies changing so often? Reason why decent and well meaning politicians cannot deliver the change is... they don't have time? Too much... politics?

  • @edcbabc
    @edcbabc 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's odd that populism is so unpopular. What is it really? It's people following potential leaders that they think might have their interests at heart more than other politicians who appear remote and not interested in 'common people' and their day to day problems. It might well throw up some dodgey people, but rather than look smug, the current incumbents really need to look at themselves, those 'common people' just don't trust them any longer, and that's down to their behaviour.

  • @chocolatejellybean2820
    @chocolatejellybean2820 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    yes Javid it's a good job from a mid age wealthy man's perspective..but consider the renters, housing quality and affordability, London situation, islamists ghetos, failed train projects, wasted covid handling, the boats.. deluded and ego mad

  • @reginaldamoah8608
    @reginaldamoah8608 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm glad you asked him about him about the Begum case.

  • @elias.knotman
    @elias.knotman 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I just watched a documentary on FDR, and watching these three buffoons reminds me of when I got stuck in railway bar when I missed my train.

  • @badgertheskinnycow
    @badgertheskinnycow 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Javid, whilst a Tory, always seemed to me to be genuine and a decent bloke. I'm sad he's leaving politics really. He could have made a moderate and sensible Tory PM.

    • @rjScubaSki
      @rjScubaSki 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Decent and sensible do not fit in the modern Tory party. And seriously, compare him to what used to pass for a decent Tory (Heseltine, Clarke) and he doesn’t measure up at all.

    • @badgertheskinnycow
      @badgertheskinnycow 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@rjScubaSkiGranted they were two Statesman and I would add Dominic Grieve.
      However, Javid is still a serving Tory MP and I am talking in regards to those.
      I disagree with some of his views yet I believe they are, at least, his honesty held opinion.
      He was a Remainer, he held a number of the office's of state without major mishap and he refused to be Boris Johnson's/ Cummings figurehead Chancellor unlike Sunak.

  • @Warekiwi
    @Warekiwi 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    One of the best yet!

  • @catrionaskivingtonskivingt4819
    @catrionaskivingtonskivingt4819 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can you do a show where Rory talks about his time in Le Cercle ?

  • @marcusswalwell209
    @marcusswalwell209 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    glad to see a sample of positive politics

    • @peterclarke7240
      @peterclarke7240 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You mean three former politicians desperately trying to reinvent themselves and pretend they weren't responsible for truly mind-blowingly horrible things?
      Yeah, sure.

  • @marcoedelrolandi4936
    @marcoedelrolandi4936 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One thing I slightly disagree with Rory and to be honest the overall narrative I'm seeing in the past two years, is that things did not really change in regards to the world and that in 2016 it was already clear we were (and are) heading towards a fragmented/protectionist economy, that Globalization (at least as we knew it) had already gone, and that a new multi-polar cold war is going to come. I never really understood why nobody pointed that out back then during the brexit debate before the vote, and I do not really understand why today we're saying things have changed or ran an unpredictable course. It was entirely predictable, at least to the stage we're today. Are we really saying our politicians are so unprepared or entrenched in their own ideology not to see it? (I do not mean Rory, though I started the comment mentioning him)

  • @ExiledGypsy
    @ExiledGypsy 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The futility of politicians trying to play psychologist is laughable, specially on screen. As firs generation immigrant myself, I can see the huge difference btween the take of a British white middle class of culture, having lived for a few years in a certain part of the world would and that of a native educated in Britain who has only been back as a middle-clase on holiday to same culture.
    To try to reconsile the two point of view is just mot going to happen like this. It will take a life time to appreciate the differences which will include the differences in early childhood that in this case could not be more different.

  • @missvmartin6571
    @missvmartin6571 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    On the final piece about disagreements, threats etc ... surely there's a point to be made around transparency? (Maybe Alistair and Rory could discuss this). If decisions were made and communications highlighted the reasoning behind those decisions (in a way that's not hidden in multiple page reports which most people won't see), and acknowledged the opposing views in a non-dismissive way, would that not help with some of the agro towards politicians? The whole 'party line' thing seems to me to potentially be a major stressor for MPs, designed to be defensive and therefore provoking undesirable reactions.

  • @brianxkane
    @brianxkane 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I totally after. If more politicians would talk as Sajid did on your programme we would have a better system we could believe in.

  • @andrewramsey7405
    @andrewramsey7405 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Brilliant, best one so far.❤

  • @cbliddell
    @cbliddell 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I hope he gets a job driving a bus. Good luck to him.

  • @BjørjaBear
    @BjørjaBear 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Must say Javid comes across very well in this interview, much better than I ever thought in government.

  • @stevefraser7501
    @stevefraser7501 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Johnson, Truss, Rees-Mogg... its these sorts of people who've brought down the Tories. How can the Tories expect the public to vote for people they don't necessarily want to elect or retain as their leader?

  • @alan20063
    @alan20063 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When I worked in Pakistan as an
    English man I was subject to racism - surprise suprise

    • @samkev5246
      @samkev5246 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In Pakistan they'd get the ghastly memories of the Englishman as a colonial tyrant, who broke their fingers and burnt their homes while sporadic phases of British tyrannical colonialism

  • @kayzlazerbeam007
    @kayzlazerbeam007 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sajid Javid was parachuted in, to be an mp after his multi-million pound job at Deutche Bank. This interview barely scratches the needed journalistic interrogation he should be under, his complete and under desire for austerity, his overwhelming yearn for power by being Prime Minister seen through his progression as a classic careerist politician while taking on an advisory role at jp Morgan chase while an mp. The continuation of smear and lies against politicians and a lack of recognition of his own role in propping up failed Tory leaders and dismantling the country we all live in

  • @Kavafy
    @Kavafy 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    No challenge. This was softball after softball.

  • @henrivanbemmel
    @henrivanbemmel หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ever since Reagan, if you cut business taxes, they just keep the money. They will build when there are more customers. So, massaging taxes so the majority will do what you want probably is the most effective assuming no major disruptions.

  • @vqey2
    @vqey2 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A delightful intelligent exchange of views .

  • @sxmmieftw
    @sxmmieftw 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Anyone got timestamps for this episode?

  • @johnnywadd4805
    @johnnywadd4805 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    He also thought we would take the shot

  • @Aragornofmoria
    @Aragornofmoria 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very good interview

  • @dharmacharinipasadanandi7110
    @dharmacharinipasadanandi7110 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Brilliant, thank you

  • @DamienRowatt
    @DamienRowatt 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One of the things for me that really let down Sajid Javid was his response to the doctor when doing a tour of a hospital in that infamous clip that done the rounds during the covid era. He was so patronising and condescending to the point of almost coming across as dismissive. It feeds into something of the whole negative poor attitude of government not listening and being dictatorial top down at people which is not really admirable or desirable. Especially after everything that is coming to light regarding the covid era.

  • @arthurmetaxas4653
    @arthurmetaxas4653 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fabulous discussion

  • @teresajohnson5265
    @teresajohnson5265 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    GREAT, GREAT TALK!!!!¡!!❤❤❤

  • @justinsutherland3606
    @justinsutherland3606 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What an extraordinary first question, racism and you're very rich. I'll let it go this time but FFS Alastair, be better. I can't help thinking you'd both be unstoppable if you shared traits :)

  • @ralphvandereb66
    @ralphvandereb66 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The last statement about being yourself and not being able to afford to be your self is the crux of the problem. Something has to change

  • @kevkfz5226
    @kevkfz5226 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Came across very well, brave as well .

  • @georgemayo7383
    @georgemayo7383 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very good podcast.

  • @FlyingPhysicist
    @FlyingPhysicist 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Javid has always struck me as an interesting candidate for high office but far too willing to compromise on key issues. He drank from the poison chalice in supporting Truss, whether her winning the leadership was inevitable or not, and signed his own political death warrant at that point.

  • @C4m3r4b4g
    @C4m3r4b4g 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The ones who don't sound like robots sound like Disney villains! Like Suella Braverman!

  • @Anthony-Testicali
    @Anthony-Testicali 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Sajid Javed the ' next obama'...whoever said that was obtuse. One had charisma,brilliant delivery and leadership qualities while Javed ia shifty,a career man and party man.
    He was the chair of friends of israel....quite savage and very disingenious to jeremy corbyn who is a decent honest man whatever you think of his politics . Javed also voted for gay marriage and hounded and bulllied the teenage shamima begum who deserved at best a prison sentence in the UK. Now out of politics he seeks muslim approval.
    He callously left Begum stateless.
    Head of 6 departments and wasnt a roaring success in any.
    Id say he's indicative of the sub par 2nd grade coalition era Tories.

  • @DH-cw9it
    @DH-cw9it 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What does it take to run 6 Government departments? Well, the fact you can remove someone from a role, and replace them the next day with someone who has no training or background without an impact on the department shows exactly what it takes. Nothing at all.

  • @steve6121
    @steve6121 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    On health: Royal Commission, ok, but it kicks the can down the road. Prevention, yes, but it kicks the can down the road. Throw in more money: it kicks the can down the road. There is no sound bite that will solve this. The answer does not require legislation or reorganisation. A combination of interrelated changes to how things are run on the ground, some core principles, and minimal central intervention will quickly turn the ship.

  • @C.u.d.s
    @C.u.d.s 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A little feedback that wasn’t asked for. I avoided clicking on the video after reading the thumbnail, until I read the title.

  • @castlebell3275
    @castlebell3275 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What went wrong: Believing the people were only there as a means to and end & the welfare, wellbeing, dignity & respect of the people did not matter. That can be applied to the theft of our cash by 'friends' & individuals within government. The systematic dismantling of our health care. The poverty of millions of families. The indignity handed out to disabled people when needing help to get through. The taxing of parents via fines when their children are ill away from school. The disproportionate taxing of people to use the roads they have paid for in our cities. The unfair payments to politicians for a 2nd homes. The lies lies lies. aww lordy the list is endless.

  • @FRESHNESSSSSS
    @FRESHNESSSSSS 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Didn't run ours very well, did ya Sajid.
    Love from UKHSA

  • @TBertin
    @TBertin 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If Sajid had spoken like that while he was an MP and he would have been PM.

  • @philippajoy4300
    @philippajoy4300 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Interesting to hear him out a bit on health. So long as the model is not the USA!

  • @nickfosterxx
    @nickfosterxx 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    51:32 'the environment'. I mean, really? Should I be taking you seriously.

  • @MeiinUK
    @MeiinUK 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    50% of the government spending on NHS is crazy !!!!..... That is not right. To be fair. We seems to have spent a LOT... and also.... we are buying TOO expensive... as well. And many individuals are being used or even given... actual medicines that isn't always necessary either. This is not GOOD. We should live our best lives !!!!....

  • @bopndop2347
    @bopndop2347 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I get that its his employers but when he said Consertatives deserve to run the country I had to switch off the interview. What a waste.

  • @sonyashas9347
    @sonyashas9347 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think you and Warsi came strong on Lee Anderson in the common

  • @johnnyguitar6697
    @johnnyguitar6697 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'll have to disagree about who's the worst PM in modern history. In my book, it's Cameron, for allowing this gigantic act of self harm that is Brexit, which laid out the conditions for Johnson and Truss to come to power.