I've been lucky enough & privileged to receive this advice & many more riding tips from yourself when you were my instructor at the Ron Haslam race school a few years ago now. It's stayed with me ever since. Great video 👍
I remember when my knee touched down for the first time on track. I had learned to lean off like this and as my speed increased I naturally leant over more. It was like the track came up to touch my knee, not I was stretching down to touch. I have small legs like a gibbon too. 😁
exactly!! I learned this myself by accident to lean over and drag the knee. I found out by trial and error that my elbow had to touch my knee with half of my ass off the bike.
@6:33 minutes Hanging off requires a higher pace. That is actually the purpose of hanging off i.e. cornering at higher speed. Edit: Also you lean your bike less, when hanging off.
Touched knee down at 16 on a dt50lc on knobbley tyres for 1 glorious moment. ...then lost the front and put a hole in my baggy jean wearing knee. Now 50 years old and fancy having another go on my gsxr750 when it drys up.😊
@colinm1325 im now 50 with achey joints so il definitely have full leathers.😀 actually think i got some cheep ones after that spill. Did have a £400 shoei helmet which cost more than the bike but obviously didnt value my knees at the same level back then. Hahaha
One thing about the left vs right turns- I found I'm more comfortable leaning off depending on how the track goes. I'm more comfortable leaning right on clockwise tracks and left on counterclockwise tracks. You get more comfortable on the side you spend more time leaning.
This reveals the street riding habits. Hanging off in lefthanders is harder for him because his experience comes from being on the left side of the road. Here in the U.S.A. it's the opposite. I've almost rear-ended some guys going into right handers they're corner speed was so different. And NEVER lube yer seat !!
@@rudebwoy8Same, but i put that down to being a left footed football so generally more confident on my left. Getting better on my right though as i have focussed more on it during track days.
These are great tips, I think when someone gets that first touch, it just gets easier and easier to lean past the fear like you said. Off topic, where would you get your stickers or prints done for your leathers? Cheers
In 20+ years of SPORT-touring and a couple dozen track days (including well-known track schools), the only time I've gotten my knee down was a low-side on a wet road (quickly followed by my elbow and shoulder, LOL). Maybe I'm just slow AF, or not as flexible as I used to be (currently north of 60). We will try again next season with more schools and a couple track days.
Are you sure this wasn't just an opportunity to post some super slow mo footage of you?? 😂 Great video, great tips. I've not been on a track day for a few years now but my upper body was always my downfall, could not ever get my head to be near the wing mirror = pristine knee sliders 🤣
Hey Taylor, I love this video, very cool. I can get my knee down on the track but I was wondering if you can still trail brake the rear when hanging off the right hand side of the bike ? If you can answer I would much appreciate this as it does my head in 😆 over the past years now that I use my rear brake when cornering.
sorry but hanging of so that the bike has to lean less yes it will help with pushing the bike trew the corner but you can do that with counter steering to but the main point of hanging of is less lean agnle for the bike
I used to ride a lot at mountain roads and had a habbit of opening throttle early in the corner, it seems completely not be suitable for track riding and I really need to change the cornering habbit.
I've been lucky enough & privileged to receive this advice & many more riding tips from yourself when you were my instructor at the Ron Haslam race school a few years ago now. It's stayed with me ever since. Great video 👍
Great advice TM. I’ve been one of the lucky ones that have had this advice first hand on track from you mate!
This has to be the single best video I have seen explaining knee down. I haven’t done it yet but this breaks it down perfectly. Nice one Tmac
Fantastic transformation in such a short space of time. Looks really good on the last session. Nice one Taylor.
I remember when my knee touched down for the first time on track. I had learned to lean off like this and as my speed increased I naturally leant over more. It was like the track came up to touch my knee, not I was stretching down to touch. I have small legs like a gibbon too. 😁
This is a great way to put it.... a huge part of getting your knee down the right way is simply pace/lean angle. Longer legs obviously help too.
exactly!! I learned this myself by accident to lean over and drag the knee. I found out by trial and error that my elbow had to touch my knee with half of my ass off the bike.
@6:33 minutes
Hanging off requires a higher pace. That is actually the purpose of hanging off i.e. cornering at higher speed.
Edit: Also you lean your bike less, when hanging off.
This is true. I can't get my knee down on the street because I'm not carrying enough pace.
Touched knee down at 16 on a dt50lc on knobbley tyres for 1 glorious moment. ...then lost the front and put a hole in my baggy jean wearing knee. Now 50 years old and fancy having another go on my gsxr750 when it drys up.😊
Hey there TCB, will you be in leathers this time for the knee touchdown?
Kind Regards and have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
@colinm1325 im now 50 with achey joints so il definitely have full leathers.😀 actually think i got some cheep ones after that spill. Did have a £400 shoei helmet which cost more than the bike but obviously didnt value my knees at the same level back then. Hahaha
One thing about the left vs right turns- I found I'm more comfortable leaning off depending on how the track goes. I'm more comfortable leaning right on clockwise tracks and left on counterclockwise tracks. You get more comfortable on the side you spend more time leaning.
This reveals the street riding habits. Hanging off in lefthanders is harder for him because his experience comes from being on the left side of the road. Here in the U.S.A. it's the opposite. I've almost rear-ended some guys going into right handers they're corner speed was so different. And NEVER lube yer seat !!
Not specific to where you reside. I’m from the UK and I’m far more confident in left handers than I am in the right hand turns.
@@rudebwoy8Same, but i put that down to being a left footed football so generally more confident on my left. Getting better on my right though as i have focussed more on it during track days.
@@NickyLong89 yeh that’s prob it, as I’m left footed too. It’s annoying as most tracks and UK roundabouts are right turns lol!
Great seeing you at the bike show.. need to book up some track time with you buddy 👍🏼
These are great tips, I think when someone gets that first touch, it just gets easier and easier to lean past the fear like you said.
Off topic, where would you get your stickers or prints done for your leathers?
Cheers
In 20+ years of SPORT-touring and a couple dozen track days (including well-known track schools), the only time I've gotten my knee down was a low-side on a wet road (quickly followed by my elbow and shoulder, LOL). Maybe I'm just slow AF, or not as flexible as I used to be (currently north of 60). We will try again next season with more schools and a couple track days.
Always next year 🫡
Valuable knowledge here , Thank-you.
The black clothing does make it difficult to see your body position tho' .
Hi from New Zealand
Are you sure this wasn't just an opportunity to post some super slow mo footage of you?? 😂 Great video, great tips. I've not been on a track day for a few years now but my upper body was always my downfall, could not ever get my head to be near the wing mirror = pristine knee sliders 🤣
Hey Taylor, I love this video, very cool. I can get my knee down on the track but I was wondering if you can still trail brake the rear when hanging off the right hand side of the bike ? If you can answer I would much appreciate this as it does my head in 😆 over the past years now that I use my rear brake when cornering.
Amazing video!
Good one 👍
Would have got my knee down in a car park but the CBF125 footpegs are too wide 🙁
😂
2025... Do a track day 🙏. Great video!
Nice T,Mac. So how does your training on euros work/cost?
sorry but hanging of so that the bike has to lean less yes it will help with pushing the bike trew the corner but you can do that with counter steering to but the main point of hanging of is less lean agnle for the bike
I wouldn’t try and do that with counter steering at those speeds on track. There’s a good Jonathan Rea video with Steve Brogan to explain why not
Don’t try and tell a professional rider that’s raced for years and won the British 1000 superstock championship how to ride a bike
Ah, thanks, how long have you been racing?
Will your brother be in Wsbk ?
He will be yes 😁
@tmac77 Good to hear :)
I used to ride a lot at mountain roads and had a habbit of opening throttle early in the corner, it seems completely not be suitable for track riding and I really need to change the cornering habbit.