❤ Thank you. Two beautiful women speaking on a topic that is incredibly important. My heart hurts for all of us who've been abused by those who were called to love and protect/support us.
Julie, what has impressed me the most about you is that, as Dr. Langberg just said, you understand that the fruit which God longs for in a believer (or a church) is simply the manifestation of the character of His Son Jesus.
This podcast was a huge gift! Thank you for your honest and incisive comments, Dr. Langberg, and for your devotion and your obedience to Jesus. Julie Roy, thank you for being such an advocate and a champion for those who have experienced deception and traumatic experiences in church. Your devotion to Jesus and the truth is also very inspiring! Let us love Jesus, who never skirted the truth when he called out religious leaders. To this day some dislike Him for his honesty. "44 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.” 45 Then answered one of the lawyers and said unto Him, “Master, thus saying, thou reproachest us also.” 46 And He said, “Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! For ye laden men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers." Luke 11:44-46
This is exactly on point!!! Abuse is happening in the small country church we were part of!!! The pastor is a bit of a "celebrity" but seriously lacks love (as does a large part of the leadership) toward the people on the fringes.
LOVE Diane Langberg so much! Appreciate her views on the system...for sure, Jesus did NOT die for any systems! He died to have a relationship w/ each one who would respond to His invitation.
If I could get my church to see the complicity in doing this and reoffending years later, with wreckless regard to help victims even after its brought to their attention. I'm ready to go public. everybody just leaves and talk about leadership in sted of confront. I confront and of course made out to be judgemental according to the leader. He said don't bring up the past
I love Diane Langberg. ❤ I can't help but view her as my spiritual Mama (Im 63! 😂). I love you, too, Julie! ❤ I confess I'm jealous of your description of your home church gathering in your last (?) podcast. Sounds wonderful. Thank you for turning on the lights so the rats will scatter!
Awww! Would you mind if she's my spiritual Mama, too? I'm 44, we could be siblings! 😂 I wish I could give her a big hug. This topic is so near to my heart. I'm so glad this conversation is happening ❤
If anyone sees this can you please pray for me. You are not safe anywhere not even in a house church. I have kept the secret and the shame of what has happened to me at the hand of a trusted “leader”. I go back and forth with periods of ok and periods where i want to scream. The deception is in fact real and the master manipulation tactics have you questioning everything you know. I think i was first bullied then mentally abused then the unthinkable happened and up until that point i was thinking this was somehow for my good and this person was helping me and i trusted them. It was like stockholm syndrome in a way. I keep thinking it was a cult but I can’t be sure its messy. I need prayers if anyone sees this please its been several months now and still struggling with it all.
Why do so many people think John MacArthur is so great? It seems like there is something wrong with him. It seems like he’s angry. I was fooled by Robert Morris. He seemed like a nice guy - and he’s not nice.
We seem to forget in American Evangelicalism that the "fruit" of miracles and preaching to great crowds are not what Jesus wants; what He wants is our obedience, which means first and foremost loving perfectly, as the Lord loves perfectly (Matthew 5:48). We also seem to forget (in part because of how our Bibles are marked off in sections) that Jesus's words on false prophets, false fruit, and false foundations all go together (Matthew 7:15-27, NIV): "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.” We are currently seeing the results (most vividly in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, at the moment) of building on false foundations, of letting bad apples slip into the barrels because out main goal is to fill as many barrels as possible. We're seeing how "a few bad apples" really can spoil the whole crop.
We can change the system by not giving one person the power to be lord over a flock. Churches should have multiple leaders (elders) who all have equal power.
Wow this is my thought process totally but my my church leader can't see it. Its bc his fruit is not good. so true. I have not stayed silent but it makes me the enemy but I don't care this is years of systematic abuse, and a told the leader he is totally silent and complicit. I stated we need an immediate harrassment policy in place, but they want me to create and do the work to make it happen. No He needs to do it. I will not be lead by a tyrant that doesnt listen to victims
❤ Thank you. Two beautiful women speaking on a topic that is incredibly important.
My heart hurts for all of us who've been abused by those who were called to love and protect/support us.
I adore Dr. Langberg - thanks for having her on!
Julie, what has impressed me the most about you is that, as Dr. Langberg just said, you understand that the fruit which God longs for in a believer (or a church) is simply the manifestation of the character of His Son Jesus.
Thank you Julie & Dr Langberg wonderful and insightful
God Bless you
Excellent interview…Julie. always truth spoken in love.. Diane is the best!
This podcast was a huge gift! Thank you for your honest and incisive comments, Dr. Langberg, and for your devotion and your obedience to Jesus. Julie Roy, thank you for being such an advocate and a champion for those who have experienced deception and traumatic experiences in church. Your devotion to Jesus and the truth is also very inspiring! Let us love Jesus, who never skirted the truth when he called out religious leaders. To this day some dislike Him for his honesty.
"44 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.”
45 Then answered one of the lawyers and said unto Him, “Master, thus saying, thou reproachest us also.”
46 And He said, “Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! For ye laden men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers." Luke 11:44-46
This is exactly on point!!! Abuse is happening in the small country church we were part of!!! The pastor is a bit of a "celebrity" but seriously lacks love (as does a large part of the leadership) toward the people on the fringes.
After 46 years of looking for a safe system… I’m done
I pre-ordered this book back in June. Been the longest few months wait ever😅 Can't wait to get it TUESDAY!! I soo appreciate Langberg's work! 🙌🏾
LOVE Diane Langberg so much! Appreciate her views on the system...for sure, Jesus did NOT die for any systems! He died to have a relationship w/ each one who would respond to His invitation.
thank you. I have house church. this is so validating. I know I'm not wrong
I have been emotionally abused by the pastors. I feel very hurt
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So good
If I could get my church to see the complicity in doing this and reoffending years later, with wreckless regard to help victims even after its brought to their attention. I'm ready to go public. everybody just leaves and talk about leadership in sted of confront. I confront and of course made out to be judgemental according to the leader. He said don't bring up the past
So thankful I found your channel ❤
God give the abused help and justice…support the children’s needs.
Thank you Truthful heartfelt podcast.
This was so good❤
I love Diane Langberg. ❤ I can't help but view her as my spiritual Mama (Im 63! 😂).
I love you, too, Julie! ❤ I confess I'm jealous of your description of your home church gathering in your last (?) podcast. Sounds wonderful.
Thank you for turning on the lights so the rats will scatter!
Awww! Would you mind if she's my spiritual Mama, too? I'm 44, we could be siblings! 😂
I wish I could give her a big hug. This topic is so near to my heart. I'm so glad this conversation is happening ❤
God bless you dr. Diane Langberg !! Please, come in Croatia Europe
How should the members in the church confront these false shepherds?
Thank You
If anyone sees this can you please pray for me. You are not safe anywhere not even in a house church. I have kept the secret and the shame of what has happened to me at the hand of a trusted “leader”. I go back and forth with periods of ok and periods where i want to scream. The deception is in fact real and the master manipulation tactics have you questioning everything you know. I think i was first bullied then mentally abused then the unthinkable happened and up until that point i was thinking this was somehow for my good and this person was helping me and i trusted them. It was like stockholm syndrome in a way. I keep thinking it was a cult but I can’t be sure its messy. I need prayers if anyone sees this please its been several months now and still struggling with it all.
Praying for you!
@ thanks
Why do so many people think John MacArthur is so great? It seems like there is something wrong with him. It seems like he’s angry. I was fooled by Robert Morris. He seemed like a nice guy - and he’s not nice.
We seem to forget in American Evangelicalism that the "fruit" of miracles and preaching to great crowds are not what Jesus wants; what He wants is our obedience, which means first and foremost loving perfectly, as the Lord loves perfectly (Matthew 5:48). We also seem to forget (in part because of how our Bibles are marked off in sections) that Jesus's words on false prophets, false fruit, and false foundations all go together (Matthew 7:15-27, NIV):
"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
“Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”
We are currently seeing the results (most vividly in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, at the moment) of building on false foundations, of letting bad apples slip into the barrels because out main goal is to fill as many barrels as possible. We're seeing how "a few bad apples" really can spoil the whole crop.
God give the abused help and justice…support the children’s needs. Thankful for Jesus assists.
The wheat and the tares, they are endemic in the church, I pray for discernment and the good Lord shows me, in due time, who the leadership is under.
yes
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I don't believe mega church are good and in the book of acts it was in the homes not in a prymind aspect God doesn't like this
How can we change the system?
We can change the system by not giving one person the power to be lord over a flock. Churches should have multiple leaders (elders) who all have equal power.
Wow this is my thought process totally but my my church leader can't see it. Its bc his fruit is not good. so true. I have not stayed silent but it makes me the enemy but I don't care this is years of systematic abuse, and a told the leader he is totally silent and complicit. I stated we need an immediate harrassment policy in place, but they want me to create and do the work to make it happen. No He needs to do it. I will not be lead by a tyrant that doesnt listen to victims
God give the abused help and justice…support the children’s needs. Thankful for Jesus assists.