How Churches Should Respond to Scandal - Julie Roys | The Roys Report
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- The Remnant Radio welcomes Julie Roys of The Roys Report (@JulieRoysReport). In this episode, we’ll explore the systemic nature of abuse in churches and the proper ways for churches to handle scandals when they arise.
We’ll discuss the importance of adhering to Ephesians 5:11: "Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them," and how this scripture should guide our response to misconduct within the church. Julie will share insights on the dangers of honor culture in churches and why it’s crucial to have whistleblower policies and procedures in place to break this cycle.
We’ll also examine why third-party investigations are essential in cases of abuse and scandal. Julie will explain why church elders, staff, or relatives cannot be considered independent investigators due to potential conflicts of interest and biases. She’ll provide practical steps for ensuring transparency and accountability, emphasizing that true reform and restoration can only happen when churches are willing to expose and address wrongdoing without favoritism or cover-ups.
Finally, we'll address what practices and procedures can be established in churches to protect members from abuse. How can a church set itself up so that holiness and integrity are at the root of all activities?
Don’t miss this crucial conversation on how we can protect the integrity of the church and ensure a safe environment for all its members.
Julie Roys is founder and investigative reporter for The Roys Report - a Christian media outlet dedicated to reporting the unvarnished truth within the Christian community to facilitate reform and restoration. You can read The Roys Report here: julieroys.com/
@JulieRoysReport
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Not going to court against a brother was for disputes over a cow or a fence line. It was never intended for sexual abuse of a 12 year old. The father should have called the police. This is so awful. And frankly, Morris was in NO WAY a brother of any kind to the family.
Very inappropriate read of text to support crimes including felonies by and to church members. Abusers have used this verse to stop accountability for perpetrators for years
Yes definitely Cindy 's father as spiritual head of his family , betrayed not only his daughter but he betrayed God by not calling the police. This was and is criminal. He should be humbled to clean toilets with a toothbrush. For 8 hours a daily for community service.
Pedos groom the child’s parents as well as the child to have access to the kids, they are highly manipulative and are overly nice and attentive to get what they want, this is the prey technique. He’s been disqualified years ago!
Also, it wasn't about avoiding _secular_ courts, it was about avoiding openly pagan magistrates who were notoriously corrupt. (Remember the parable of the unjust magistrate who neither feared God nor cared for justice?)
Exactly. Matt. 18:6-10 tells us what Jesus says about what should happen to those who harm children. Romans chapter 13 tells us what God says about His support of civil law. And then there’s Acts 5:29-‘we must obey God rather than men.’. This is why the body of Christ must pay close attention to where corruption in our judicial system can result in criminals being allowed to freely walk our streets. We’re seeing first hand that Robert may not face charges due to SOL-statute of limitations. Imagine if we were still under the old law. When a sin of this magnitude was committed against an innocent person, ‘swift and final’ exercises were ‘required’ of the community regarding the perpetrator-outside the camp-so the camp would not be defiled. Sometimes the whole family of that perpetrator would receive the same end. That’s hard to fathom in this time, when laws lean so far ‘left’, that perps walk and good people suffer. It’s time for God’s people to listen to God, hear His voice, and get involved in spiritual, civil and cultural matters. We’re seeing it really does matter. As we do, we’re not surprised by the current label the left tries to brand us with. The lawless want to continue to revel in their lawlessness and take everyone down into the pit with them.
Father, forgive us for prefering the powerful over the weak.
How about we get back to praying and fasting for who needs to be in leadership instead of electing by personality or intellectualism?
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AMEN! I want to be in a church where Jesus is the head, not some well-meaning but woefully inadequate people.
Definitely pray and fast for Leadership Selection. However our Leaders need to be able to exegete and live the word.
Praying and fasting is needed as is proper understanding of the character the Bible emphasises for leaders and pastors. We cannot overlook character that is both evident in church and outside of church, agreed a upon by many people in the community that know them well.
Tears rolling down my eyes. This is my story as well being a whistleblower and speaking out against my church leaders scandals. One of my elder wrote a letter to the church board to take action against me. Im just a youth pastor with a family to feed wanting to do the right thing. These few months have been hard on me mentally. They are telling me to “think about my future and ministry.” This episode is a godsend. I don’t know what’s going to happen to my position but I know i did the right thing.
Praying for you, brother. God bless you!
So sorry to hear this. Stay strong in having integrity and doing what is right. Praying for you.
God bless you! One thing I've learned of the God we serve in Christ Jesus: if you know you have done what is right before Him, you WILL see the fruit of the righteous seed you sowed for His Truth. You may not see immediate vindication or retribution from where you were that was offensive, but KNOW that God has seen and will take care of you. Don't look back. Move forward to do what He called you to do. 😊
Thank you all for prayers. I need it.
You did the right thing. I'm sorry you've been hurt. Praying for you and your family now.
As a pastor for 38 years, i have a rule to never be alone with a child, teen or a woman. I am accountable to a Deacon board as well. I go through 2 background checks and 2 credit checks yearly. Pastors need to be above reproach !!!!
Right! Thank you 🙏
That's common sense, especially if the child is not your own😮
Amen! 🙏🏻 Wish I could attend your church...
That’s a great rule. However I hope you’re able to do it discreetly unlike a couple pastors I’ve had appointments with. They informed me right off the bat that they can’t be alone with a woman in their office so please come this day or this time etc etc. This of course made me and many other women feel like wonton hussies who might try to attack him if left alone
with him for 5 minutes.. so he had to protect himself from us… or couldn’t control himself!
In other words don’t put it off on innocent women. Make your arrangements discreetly and intelligently..
@@maryestes9584 There are some women out there that are so ugly that nobody could believe that I would have an affair with her. But I guess you cannot tell a woman that it is okay for me to be alone with you because you are too ugly to tempt me. Also I have met women who are so strong that they could beat me up in a fight. I can be alone with them and behave myself.
" The whistleblowers in Scripture were called Prophets' " 😂 Exactly!
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They operate like kings of their own private kingdom
Thanks for this. Julie Roys and her scrappy team are a gift to the church. Her closing statement was beautiful: God care's more about justice than about the reputation of his people.
Are her team scrappy? Or quite professional?
@@KJ-lb4tjshe called them scrappy in the interview
Thank you Julie for your directness and clarity. And Remnant Radio, thank you for not being defensive.
Julie Roys sounds perfectly qualified for this episode having gone through it and survived. Glad we have someone that is willing to talk about this without fear. A Vineyard sister that is amazing!
As someone said a while ago to me "Whoever said the anointing is transferable?" i.e. from a retired pastor to a son, or son-in-law ?!
All cults work this way, Gateway will keep the book scam going and harvesting 10% of poor people’s income
And to add to that the number that get there by anointing themselves. Ain't how it works either.
Nepotism is alive and well as is big money to be made without needing to do much for it
Thanks for having Julie Roys on.
Best to just throw away the current church system, it barely passes scriptural scrutiny anyway. Get back to simplicity, small groups with elders as equals overseeing to ensure correct doctrine, unity & most importantly equality so we don't get back into this situation with one individual lording over all his brother's & sisters. The days of Pastor's ruling their kingdom needs to come to an end. Authority needs to be taken from King Pastor & given back to Jesus where it belongs. Then watch God's people start to gather again.
I like that. After our church splitter years ago, we met every Sunday for Bible study and fellowship. And on Tuesday for prayers and lunch. It was wonderful. Then we all founded a church to go to. I can say I'll be in so many, it isn't fun. No one cares about the flock anymore. It is about giving and not receiving, ever.
So the church body needs to expect more from their leadership- that the Bible applies to them - by not going to churches which foster a lack of accountability by being mega churches. I applauded Mat Chandler’s role in having the Village Church go to campuses with their own senior pastor and sermons. Hopefully their own boards, too. Also, have to say I am very tired of seeing the next generation replace their dad as pastor and having every kid on the payroll. God’s church is not the family employer.
You can’t inherit a ministry
Absolutely!
Church is not the family business
So glad you got Julie on!
Thanks for this podcast. I’ve never heard someone talking that have our service heart. We’ve been excommunicated from a couple of churches for trying to talk about the spiritual abuse in church.
Thanks for having Julie. So many of us in Dallas Ft. Worth need these truths.
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Nepotism, Hierarchy, Power, Title's, Stages, VIP areas, Green rooms. It's all dung as Paul would say. Thank you Julie for all you do 🙏
💩 💩 💩 😂 yes and amen! Jesus prioritizes victims!
Senior Pastor for 18 years here. Several years ago, one of our Associate Ps was arrested for online solicitation of minor. Here's what I'll say: be fully transparent, advise appropriate leadership groups quickly, get in front of it, stay in front of it, and pray. We had two "open forum" meetings--everything we knew was disclosed, the process of dismissal, etc. Despite this...there will still be blow back and criticism as to how you handle it. Not a fun season.
Good advice - thanks for sharing.
Thank you Julie for saying that THEY SHOULD NEVER LEAD AGAIIN!!!!!
She is right, how can the people not see it!!! They are intentionally in denial!!! So very sad 💔💔💔
Lack of knowledge of The Word and no discernment whatsoever when it comes to the celebrity pastors!!!
I was a student in the 80's of a mega evangelist failure - was in the Bible College and in the audience the day of the "confession". It was a crazy experience to be there. No man is so important is above it - God can use any of us and we can be replaced. Prayers for the people in the church.
The guy from Baton Rouge?
While abusive church leader failure gets so much well-deserved attention now, I've seen first-hand and heard so many stories over the years of children in abusive, dysfunctional family situations who found a lifeline in the local church and island of sanity. They found a father or mother figure who nurtured them, set a good example for them, the local church was a refuge from a chaotic family life. There are a lot of quiet, unknown, non-celebrity believers doing a wonderful work with kids and young adults, saints whose works will be known fully only in eternity.
Good point on how secular jobs will not hire someone who has committed unlawful acts, but churches seem to be more open to it. Aren’t we supposed to have a higher standard for everything because we represent Jesus?
He said he looked for vulnerable girls. Is it possible that he had other victims?
Precent the scandal: the church structure in the Bible is not like today's church structure. The elders should have charge of the church and hold others accountable. Pastors having autonomy is an epidemic! No one person IS the church or has all of the gifts or is the head.
Guys are you kidding? In asking “What can a church do, to protect whistleblowers”?😳
I am in Switzerland 40 years following the Lord! I attended several charismatic churches: the first I knew from the beginning the leader was a liar, I had dreams about him where Jesus revealed it to me. I confronted him he would not listen: a couple of month later every thing I saw about him came to pass. The church broke apart! The leadership split up. Second church I had also a dream about that leader, and what I saw in the dream came to pass. This leader had an adulterous affair, but he repented publicly and the leadership and another church and leaders helped him to restore. But he never changed his one man show.
The third church there was also a leader I knew things were wrong just in his character. This guy got divorced remarried and he became a deconstructionist. He influences on a high strategy level young leaders. He was never teachable! I have witnessed three church splits because of leadership weaknesses.
the whole church system as we know it is wrong! As soon as leaders get buildings, too big to fail gatherings, too highly esteemed they have all the tendency to fall! They have fallen into the luciferian snare of worldly acceptance💉
after 40 years witnessing the leadership failings probably we should stop putting money in Church buildings and in a paid clergy! We should raise church planting movements and finish the great mission. Having apostolic-prophetic church planters and trainers and stop with hierarchy. Hierarchy is an invention of the devil to replace a discipleship based structure. The church as we had in the Middle Ages are based in buildings, in everlasting stony structures: we are not called to build temples but being on the move like Abraham. The whole big and mega church concept is a trap. Non of the leaders can handle fame not a single one! Pride is the number one sin, that breaks the neck of the stiff necked!
We have to repent of our church doing!
In America how many big churches you have with thousands of attendees? Light shows, worship teams according “ot Levitic orders” that is ridiculous. The devil is happy to keep the members busy in their mega churches, which reaches less than 5% of the unreached! Happily indulging in their self satisfying church systems! Believing they play a big part in town because of the size of their gatherings!
Ridiculous and all the esoteric and Satanists and humanist post modern in the town get lost because the believers are playing church, celebrating themselves instead of making disciples who disciple their neighborhood🤔🧐 hi
Thank you for TRUTH...
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Julie….the pot calling the kettle black. Does she have a history with a minor?
I disagree with what she says about Biblical counseling, for one thing, we hardly see true Biblical counseling among Christian counselors, or Institutions of higher learning.
Most do not seem to truly lean on God's Word, prayer, and discipline for solutions to live life according to Christ, that "He has given us every thing we need for life and godliness..."
Most lean on pills and pop psychology, even in Christian circles. Very few truly practice that they believe that a person can truly be freed from the strongholds, bondage and spirits of a damaged past.
(II Timothy 1:7)
I have such a great respect for Julie Roys & her courage to expose the heinous deeds that have been committed & willfully covered up in churches!!
She also exposed John Macarthur who, to my knowledge, has never publically confessed or publically repented of what happened with Eileen Gray & her children, as well as other women!
John Macarthur has covered up horrible abuses of women & children,
but he is still looked up to like some kind of demi-god!! Just sickening….
Amen. And MacArthur has his zealots and defenders who argue because he preaches "sound doctrine" everything else about him is off limits. Well not protecting women and children of abusers is not biblical Christlike behavior. He has made several public disparaging and disrespectful remarks toward Christian women demonstrating he views women as subservient to men, perhaps, second-class.
I used to attend Mercy Culture for the last 3 years and the lack of accountability is exactly what I've been questioning. Right now, their website lists 3 external people as "Apostolic Elders" (whatever that means) (Dr. Michael Brown etc), dozen plus pastors that I have no idea what or who they oversee, and two internal elders. One of the internal elders is just the lead pastor's best friend.
I just wrote a comment about this church. Red flags for sure… my friends still attend there and I’m just very concerned for them.
@@Mike-q4i Found your comment and after watching their video on NAR, I would agree. But that’s only the beginning of my complaints. They’ve become too busy being political activists that it feels like there is no effort in actually discipling their members.
First of all, Pastors are not God!!!
I will say that again, Pastors are not God! Only God is God! Only God gets to be perfect! You are part of God's Creation, and so are Pastors. Stop siding on the side of the accuser of the brethren. Am I saying these Pastors are innocent? NO! But there is only one Perfect being...His name is Jesus! Every Pastor, every church member, every elder, every deacon, are imperfect beings. That's why all of us need a PERFECT GOD! STOP LOOKING AT PASTORS AS PERFECT CANDIDATES JUST BECAUSE THEY STAND BEHIND A PULPIT AND SPEAK! THERE IS NO ONE WHO IS ON THIS EARTH THAT IS PERFECT, BUT GOD!
Did y'all see Derek Prince's letter from 1990 addressing the Kansas City Fellowship? He calls their prophetic history unscriptural and borderline blasphemous and demands public renouncement.
Edit: I unfortunately made claims about Wimber/Vineyard that can only amount to rumor. I could not substantiate. I'm very sorry about that.. I try to be very careful about that type of thing. Thank you @janets.4384 for the correction.
That's really interesting, I had no idea.
That is very interesting. I didn't know that.
I have the PDF with his signature if anyone wants a copy I can provide my email
Id love to see it. I came out of the Pentecostal denomination.
@braysibley4339 yes I would like a copy of that PDF please.
What is lacking is the Holy Spirit of Truth to reveal the spirit operating. Surely, someone in leadership or the congregation was filled with the Spirit of God with Discernment to reveal this type of behavior. A wolf is a wolf.
I once attended a church conference where it was taught lay elders do not personally lead a church in any real way- that would interfere with the senior pastor's vision. All church matters were to be referred and funneled first through the senior's chosen staff only that he alone overlooked. To do violate that order would cause disunity. The role of the elder was to annually vote yes or no on the continued employment of the senior pastor, pretty much anything else was interference and would unnecessarily hinder the pastor's ability to succeed. I often wondered about this "pastor lead" church model, apparently championed in reaction to an elder lead model which in some instances resulted in a senior pastor feeling too handcuffed by overly close detailed accountability/lay elder second guessing. I'm not sure church elected/chosen lay elders today are really clear on what their Biblical roles should be in relation to church staff.
Right on! I love this woman!
Step 1: Never rip ‘don’t touch the Lords anointed’, or Matthew 18 out of context again…
AMEN!
We were incensed about the catholic priest cover up. What has come out since then is it is rampant in the protestant church and They are covering it up all over this country. My anger is the cover up. I have been a Christian for 72 years. This garbage is not going to impact my faith in Jesus. Amen the sheep are not very bright. I was a member of Willow Creek with the Bill Hybals scandal. It never ends. Does anyone remember the Billy Graham policy of never being alone with a women and never traveling with a women .
💖My suggestion to all Christians: Ask God to show you yourself and your heart. Allow God to work on you. Take your feelings, thoughts, words, and actions to God in prayer. Sift and process them through the Word of God. Let God Have The Final Say! "Judgment must begin at the house of God...the righteous shall scarcely be saved" (1 Peter 4: 17,18). Peter is telling us that the "Church" is going to be judged. And that the "Church" is in trouble.
🙏God, I ask You in Jesus' name to show me myself. God I give You permission to work on me. Sift me through Your Word, change me, prefect me, and conform me into the image of Your son, Jesus Christ. God do the same for the writer of this prayer, all my family, and friends. Bless us with the love, desire, and strength to respect and honor You in our thoughts, words, and actions. Thank You Jesus. Amen, so be it by faith.
“The righteous shall scarcely be saved.” Sobering words!!!
@@flowergirl-pp7vz I know.
Church “membership” is triggering for me -it’s so complicated. Good to hear Julie talk about it.
This is fabulous in every way. Thank you for covering such a difficult topic.
Thank you for the MacDonald information. Although he may escape judgement in California, he will stand before God.
Please, it would be wonderful a video on "how to protect your heart from becoming bitter".
Forgiveness is the harder thing to do, isn't it? We must forgive. Dive deeply into God's word. Jesus is the healer of the broken-hearted. Praying you experience the Lord's peace and comfort. He understands what it feels like to be betrayed.
@@TheRemnantRadioYes, Jesus was betrayed and abandoned when he was most in need of support! He has been through it all! We have to pray for God to help us forgive, and bring about reforms to prevent abuse.
Repentance!
This is the BEST and MOST NEEDED podcast on any and all Christian podcast platforms. Thank you, Remnant Radio. She speaks much needed truth telling all of us to repent and return to the Lord . ...... that's real "prophet talk" right there. Give me this over all the rest of the "prophetic" anytime. 👍🎉🙏.
So much this!!!! What drives me nuts is the call to pray for the pastor who has abused someone but has no love or care is for the victim and I 100% agree with her when she says that there is absolutely NO WAY that if you have sexually abused someone that you are above reproach. You are no longer qualified for ministry. You may not be restored to leadership. Period! Boom! I'm so sick of Christians, who out of misplaced ignorance of what real grace is, want to "restore" these abusers to their former positions. Yes, let's counsel them to be restored to Christ but NEVER again to leadership. Never!!
These same leaders have no grace for anyone in their congregations who have been abused or question their leadership.
Amen!!
There needs to be more godly men who hold spiritual leadership feet to the fire. Each Pastor should be accountable to a few people who pray for them and keep them from making decisions like meeting with women alone, or other compromises that they see. The culture of each church is different and everyone needs to stop hiding their sin and fine trustworthy people to confess their faults to so they can be healed and continue to practice ministry in a healthy manner.
Thank you guys for this. Julie, thank you for your courage. My wife and I had worked for an international missions organization where great abuse had gone on behind the scenes. We approached leadership and were threatened. I eventually connected with the Director of Member Care for this organization and was told that I had two choices......give up my job or be quiet and fly under the radar. We chose to quit and then were lied about by the organization so our reputation with all former colleagues and connections were destroyed.
So sorry to hear this. Praying for you
I’m so sorry you and your wife went through that. I also was a part of an international missions group that has a lot of spiritual abuse in it.
VOM?
grateful for this episode
Lord, hav mercy on each of us and help us all turn to Your Truth, help us live lives that’s pleasing to You in Jesus mighty name. Amen
I say to all Christians this:
You who are without sin cast the first stone.
This happened some 30 years ago!!!
Robert Morris has repented and confessed his sin and God has forgiven him but not people.
These 'christians' should check their own lives first before throwing stones at others!!!!😮
Glad you guys had Julie Roys on!
I was so glad that at my Assemblies of God Church yesterday, the pastor mentioned the latest scandals with Tony Evans and Robert Morris. He acknowledged that they had produced some good material but he made no excuses for them but instead said that they had disqualified themselves. He even said that's Robert Morris should rightly be in jail because he committed a crime. He encouraged us not to put our trust in man but in God.
I was relieved that we didn't have a leader making excuses for obvious terrible things other so-called leaders had done and talking about restoration to ministry.
Has he mentioned the AG scandal with Texas chapters of Chi Alpha? They ignored a minister's history of sexual predation--Julie Roys covers him--Daniel Savala. Only 4 AG pastors have spoken out against it all. Generations of abuse.
Thank you for doing this interview. I am glad to know more about Julie Roys.
Also, it is not wise to seek secular counselors, especially for personal issues. I have been to both, a true Christian counselor who was very practical and addressed the spiritual issues of what was driving me. I also went to a counselor who claimed to be a Christian, and there was no addressing my true Condition, and why the damage was done, which was me being enticed by my own lust, rebelling my church counsel and falling into sin. This guy had me sitting in a chair pretending to be a little girl again. Thankfully I only had 1 session with him, a complete waste of time. I learned not to go back to that kind of counselor again.
But what I did was not a crime according to our laws, although it was quite costly for myself and God freed me!
I have coveted no man’s silver, or gold, or apparel.
Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.
I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive. Paul the apostle to the church leaders, Acts 20:33ff.
Why hasn’t Julie done more on Pastor Paula White?? Who is investigating Julie?
Monster is the exact right word. How would you restore a MONSTER TO MINISTRY? Absurd.
One of your best episodes💐
Be Emboldened ministry is especially for those who have experienced church hurt and spiritual abuse.
Thank you for this. Must look them up!
Thank you, Julie. There are so many cases that never hit the headlines and you are a voice for them. God bless you and your work bringing this evil into the light.
If you want to breakout of your theological echo chamber, interview the church staff once in a while as they will tell you what is really happening in churches, thanks
Hope you saw our episode that released yesterday. Behind the Scenes at IHOP: th-cam.com/video/Y9tDHlOLriM/w-d-xo.html
julie roys, I’m a fan, what a wordsmith, evangelical industrial complex, that is exactly what this whole thing is, how does it turn into this and what should church look like, that is a topic for another conversation but yes there is definitely a reformation happening and it’s coming from the grass roots level, enjoyed the content and the host you had me cracking up a couple of times with your comments
I respect and love what she does. And what is being said sounds great...but alot of things do.
Where is the scripture? Our knowledge, understanding, opinions and feeling are as dung. I found myself saying Amen through the video but where is there scripture supporting anything being said. Im not trying to be inconsiderate or disregard that there is a problem within churches. This is a genuine question. Where is the scripture?
For this episode, we focused on Ephesians 5:11: "Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them" and also that church elders should be ‘above reproach’ (1 Tim. 3:2) and accountable to the church-not just themselves (1 Tim 5:19-20).
Morris in his twenties molesting a twelve year old indicates he was not a believer. Once we accept Jesus as our savior the Holy Spirit immediately indwells us. It’s hard to believe the HS was not compelling enough to stop his conduct. It continued for four years yet he was restored in two!? His salvation is questionable. We shall see. C S Lewis said we will be surprised who we see in heaven and who we don’t.
Now I understand why Julie Roys has a bone to pick with Christianity Today. Sad.
Perhaps one of the most important episodes ever recorded! Relevant to all of us in the body of Messiah
Unfortunately this video is very timely for my church. 😢
Sorry to hear that. Hopefully there are insights that will be helpful
This may be the best video on the subject that I have ever seen. The unfortunate thing is that the cult of personality is so strong in many churches that it will fall on deaf ears. Both technology and modern corporate organizational structures have allowed "church organizations" to amass both power and money in unprecedented quantities with no real oversight.
PARENTS teach your children well so they know the dangers.
I agree with everything that’s been said. One question I have is how do you find eligible board members that you can trust when starting out? When you start out the people you have on your board are mostly family. Kind of a tricky thing when you don’t have people willing to serve on the board.
You guys nailed it with the Toys Report. Thank you
so much for what you do. I am so so tired of the mega church movement and all it entails. You have done well on this report. Julie is one of my go to folks for church news.
I loved her passion. !!! What an awesome podcast. So glad you guys had her on.
Catchy title...too unfortunate that it is relevant or necessary.
Looking forward to the insight you are going to share.
The problems are not within the beautiful believers. As a James 1:26-27 believer ...a voluntary helper and also a voluntary helper on My local Sherrif department victims service unit...Thank s for sharing. ❤😅
Love Julie Roys and her passion. But I must say, I am a PR person and we don’t all “lie” all the time ☺️ I am also a survivor. Keep up the good work, but take it a little easy on those of us who made our livings in public relations.❤
After each new scandal comes to the surface, do any of you, just sit and wonder how on earth did these sinful leaders NOT have a fear of God, while KNOWING full well what the Bible says about them?
With each new scandal, I just sit there with my mouth wide open, my heart broken, and then DEEPLY think about how could they possibly do this in the name of God? I mean, of all places to do your “bidding” and you choose the church, under the God you are preaching about and studying about your whole life? These guys know what the Bible says and what’s going to happen to them. I just can’t wrap my head around it. It’s on a whole other level. “It’s better to be at the bottom of an ocean with a millstone around your neck.” … I guess they just skip over that verse!
This is what Jesus warned his true under shepherds about. There will be false shepherds who disguise themselves as sheep, but they are false/fake wolves. The sheep can be easily fooled by the false shepherds because Jesus warned they will claim to prophesy in his name, and in his name drive out demons and perform many miracles. I would add build mega memberships, author Christian books, broadcast over Christian radio and television, serve as missionaries, and make a brand for themselves all in Jesus' Name. But his verdict will be "I never knew you."
Can you put the names of the books she mentioned
The mega church is the core of the issue or a church started by a single person supported by the ministry complex.
A megachurch pastor will automatically fail their duty in watching over the souls in their flock.
Not a single one would take the time to meet with a congregant/member.
Keeping the pastor in the unreachable ivory tower will just pave the way for more scandals as they delude themselves into thinking they are untouchable.
Julie explained a great model for accountable pastors, but the standard believer loves their cult of personality.
In Proverbs 18 we are told that 'Any story sounds true until someone tells the other side and sets the record straight'. It would be interesting for you all to hear both sides of the story concerning Grace Community Church (John MacArthur) and Ms Roys' accusations. As a lifelong Pentecostal, I'm not carrying water for MacArthur and am genuinely interested in what may or may not have really happened. And I recently read a piece by David Morrill (Protestia website) that disputed Roys' conclusions. I don't know who to believe. It would just be good to hear both sides.
I appreciate Roy's work. But it is sad that it is necessary. There is little to no fear of God by the church leaders these days.
Best insight and advice. Thank you. Keep teaching and revealing. (He leads me on the path of righteousness for His Name's Sake.)
All these events also exposed not only leadership abuses, but also, those in the seats. I have seen the vitriolic responses from "Christians" and it seems like they completely ignore their own heart condition. I am just blown away with the responses.
It seems like the folks use their own measure very quickly and actively. In most comments, it looks like God is more of an after-thought, somehow God is not involved in both the purpetrator or victim's lives during these periods.
Surely God deals with multiple people in several ways using such events?
I know people love scorched earth when those in authority abuse authority, but I my thoughts at this stage is that "Chruch" is mostly a religion, not a body.
Still working through these events myself to align or not with doctrine, Christian practice and if God is really in charge of anything involving "humans".
Yes, God deals with multiple people in several ways… That’s right. And all of us are having our faith in God tested all the time. Jesus said there would be weeds mixed in with the wheat. Jesus said, “In this world you will have trouble, but be of good cheer for I have overcome the world.” We have to persevere in faith, but BECOME WISER and learn what God is trying to teach us in this situation. ✝️
God bless you Julie!😭 Your passion is felt. We need Christians with this much conscience against abuse. In all honestly, the accomplices have overwhelmed me maybe more than the perpetrators.
This is a very important and necessary conversation, and the church NEEDS to implement absolute objective accountability!!
I was sexually abused by my Pastor Dad- who has since retired but as YET to REPENT! No body is standing up to him - perhaps because he is elderly and in ill health now. I came out with this allegation 3 decades ago though and still...what's worse is I am demonized and my parents have gotten my siblings to ostracize me as well- all the while saying they must honor their parents. I have made peace with the fact, forgive them often and grieve the loss of this heartbreaking saga- BUT GOD! I've never received and apology -yet- but I am left wondering if it is too late. The abuse began happening around the age of 12 for me as well. I really do hope the Church will STAND UP and uphold all aspects of the Gospel and not just cherry-pick topics and sugar coat darkness!
So sorry to hear what happened to you. Praying for your spiritual and emotional healing.
@@TheRemnantRadio Thank you- God is good! I will say because of this- I was not born-again until I was 51 years old! But GOD! Thank you Jesus!
It would be cool to see a collab episode with both Julie Roys and Scot McKnight on this subject.
Just so you know there are some churches that do something about these kinds of issues. Several years we had a pastor who we believed was having an affair with the church. secretary. We collected evidence for about 9 months, confronted the issue with the pastor and I tried to counsel him, I was consistently lied to. We were afraid that when the Elder Board submitted to it to congregational approval that we would not prevail and would have to exercise our authority to override. The Lord provided a miraculous exposure of the situation prior to the congregational meeting and he resigned. Put both on church discipline and the ultimately repented and apologized to the congregation, however, we still lost a significant portion of the congregation who were his friends. There are some of us who take our spiritual obligation seriously.
We also have turn a sexual abuse over to the police.
We also present the finances to our congregation at least annually.
You are right we are not unbiased as Elders, we are there to assure that the scripture is followed, we are not biased internally and have demonstrated it several times.
RM's Elder was a retired State Trooper! Ummmm he of ALL peoples would know what RM did is criminal!
Yes yes yes and yes!! Love Julie!
Actually,, when the “ two or three witnesses” policy, was utilized as a Jewish law, it referred to witnesses seeing or hearing the event personally. Admittedly, the primary goal of a predictor is secrecy.! Few predators of children are “ caught in the act” ! Let’s get up with the NT times when the whole law is to love and protect…not find a way to excuse the sexual violation of a Little One!!
Remnant radio thank you. The issue with the church is compromise and nepotism... look at Elis sons and Aaron sons and so on... nothing new under....
Her last name is Roys.
You lived near Dallas too long (Royce City on I-30)
Thanks - I changed it
What about the differences in Biblical Justice and Social Justice?
Its not that the sheep are so dumb, its we the sheep have been groomed. Some of us since birth. When we have called anything out we've been shamed and have left those churches in shame and have had scripture used to guilt and scare us.
True
A little surprised you're having her on. Not sure she's the best person to have on about this, tho I agree this topic should be addressed.
I’d be curious about your thoughts after the interview. Let me know what you think.
Also what is the reason she is not the person?
@@westleybenson1188 she called out John MacArthur probably. That's when the accusations about her started, but the same people accusing her now had no issue when she was reporting on James McDonald and Ravi Zacharias.
@@ericedwards8902 It's not that (for everyone). John MacArthur is no less human than anyone else. I'm no investigator, but there were certain things in the timeline that seemed fishy to me, like why let an abuser back with your kids, that kind of thing, along with the timing that the wife got Grace Comm Church involved. Reportedly, Roys may have had some issues some time back working with youth, namely a teen girl. Abuse needs to be investigated, bottom line. Relationships are complicated, but generally speaking, call the police first, then your pastor if you're going to seek help.
@@westleybenson1188 see my response to Eric
If a person cannot talk in toungues ; does that mean that person does not have the Holy Spirit
If they are a 50lC why isn't there accountability
independent investigation also protects the accused from false charges
Wait, what? Everyone knows exactly how much my husband has mad or makes. And where money went where. Further education, if his computer was replaced, books purchased… when we have our annual review and vote on a new budget we got line by line by line. And then have to submit to our district. 🤯Canadian law man. But even, what do you have to hide.
Nope, over here they have jet planes to travel and houses that are bigger than the church. American way!
Did you hear about how Micah wilder of Adam’s road ministry the guy that started it all he was having sexual misconduct pretty much the entire time. He’s another that has wrecked so many in his unrepentant behavior but just kept up the tours and taking donations
And the church is full, no one even thinks critically anymore.
Have them call the police and leave it to the law!!! It’s not up to the church
What Julie said about having a man of character on our church and Bible College boards is spot on!
When the man of high character and integrity gets released from a corrupt board, then there is little that can be done. While he is on board, there is a hedge of protection, and proper action can be taken.
And the lesson is .. Stay away from any one man show!