Dukat was fighting hand-to-hand later during the fight on DS9. He had a batleth and was doing well. I would be surprised if the Cardassians didn't have a melee weapon, other than that knife we saw when during the Cardie-Jem Hadar brawl in Quarks, as any martial race will have to be trained for that eventuality. As an aside, the hand weapon shown in that magazine page shot greatly resembles a Falx, a melee weapon used by the Dacians in the 1st Century AD. Basically a reverse scythe. Roman writers document that they were incredibly effective against the lorica segmentata armor of the average Legionary, it would slice right through like a Lobster knife through a lobster tail. Amputated limbs and heads were common when fighting against the Dacians. Trajan records suffering enormous losses to the Dacians. The Falx was so formidable against the banded plate armor that the Romans actually changed the standard legionary armor for the next war with the Dacians from armor plate to chainmail and scale. Because chainmail and scale are flexible and distributes the force of the blow, the Falx does not penetrate as easily whereas plate armor stays in place and allows the full force of the blow to be concentrated. If the Cardassians used those types of weapons, it would cut straight through Klingon warrior armor in much the same way. Also, the Cardassians would have access to the Jem Hadar Kar'Takin.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 there were one handed smaller versions and bigger two handed versions. Close to a bastard or long sword. Skallagrim has a video on a replica and i think he even has test cuts.
Ooo it would be great if you and Dracinifel could set up a joint channel to discuss the militaries of various sci-fi or fantasy worlds! Not just Star Trek but whichever ones tickle your fancy. I love these podcast-like vids and even if a new channel is out of the question, I would definitely enjoy more joint chats :D Thx for all of it!
During the dominion war. Before the federation liberated DS9. Rom stoll a pad from demar and it caused a bar fight and a cardassian pulled a knife from his back side and straight shanked a jemhadar if i recall.
In most space battles in movies, etc. the ships are under full pressure. When an outer panel is punctured the chamber undergoes violent decompression and everybody dies. In WWII the B-29 was pressurized until combat was imminent and then the crew went to air masks and decompressed the plane. Why wouldn't a space war ship crew don, at least minimal, space suites and fully or partially decompress the ship?
Because in trek the hull is minimal protection compared with the shields and they seem to have over all the ship emergency force shields in case of breaches. If you wanna go old school in TAS the crew could wear "personal shields" via special belts :)).
@@venomgeekmedia9886 The poisoning investigation was overtaken by the bombing, and well by balance of probability it was probably Duras, Gowron said to K'Ehleyr that K'mpec was stubborn, never listened, implying she would end up like him. We're led to believe that Duras is the villain, but wouldn't it be totally in keeping with the endemic problems of the Klingons that Gowron was the one behind the poisoning? That said, he wasn't exactly subtle when it came to the Kahless clone and other challengers. But I like that the poisoning remains unresolved.
The major issue I've had with the Klingon-Cardassian war is how did the Klingon's cross the part of the Federation without anyone say something. Like no one saw that many Klingon ships just cross the border? Fly through the Federation and right past major worlds by the way most maps have the "powers that be" laid out. Did they just check in with the border guards and tell them that they're on vacation. Even cloaked the trip would take longer with more chances that they are seen from brake downs and system failures. Also they would have had to leave Klingon space from anywhere from a month to a month and a half at most high speeds alone, where we know they can't keep doing that for long. To a slow cruising speed that looks to take anywhere from 8-9 months to almost two years at speed as slow as warp 4 or lower. And the time it would take to just muster the whole fleet. Not long, 1-2 months. They can race around inside Klingon space as fast as they like. But they would be held back as long as they can to get more of the houses fleets up and running. Say 2-3 months. At most the soonest the Klingon could have gotten to the fight from when they came up with the idea to attack the Cardassians was from half a year to two years. That's a long time for someone inside Star Fleet to see them... for anyone to see them.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Yes but they would still be seen and not just show up out of the blue like they did. Like Sisko would have gotten some form of reports of unusual Klingon fleet activity headed his way. Even the Klingons had some form of space traffic control. And with the Federation's free press, Jake would have known something was going on. As for neutral shipping lanes, I don't see them working out for the Klingons as well as they would now even take longer to get there. The only answer that works is the one I hate the most. Section 31.
But didn't Gowran stop his guards when Worf started to attack him in the ceremony room when they thought he was a changeling. So I don't think he would try to avoid the fight.
Twice gowron wasn't backing out of a fight with worf, the second time he probably should have but he was giving as good as he got till worf got him with the broken batleth ends in the war room.
It's an interesting thought that the Cardassians cranked out budget Galors, but those Galors we see in the Dominion War are far more effective than the late-TNG and early DS9 Galors. Its been mentioned many times, but all of a sudden Galors can do a good deal of damage. Rather than budget Galors, isn't it more likely that they are actually new model ships that have been greatly streamlined for manufacture, and rather upgraded with more powerful weapons? Moreover, streamlined, more simple versions of major weapons systems don't necessarily mean they are degraded versions. On the contrary, cutting out the fat usually means the weapon is at peak effectiveness. The later models of Shermans, Panzer IVs, Panthers and T-34s were on the surface of lesser quality, but in reality were much more effective than the more elaborate early models. Moreover, the Cardassian Fleet was already pretty large early in the Dominion War. The Dominion Annexation occurs only about 16 weeks prior to the outbreak of War. It is unlikely, even by Dominion standards, that this huge new fleet was built for the Cardassians within that time frame. It is more likely that the Cardassians were already well on the upswing of their production prior to the Annexation. It is just as likely that the Cardassians were already producing a new mark of Galor, with improved weapons, before the Dominion arrived. We know they had new weapons available, and that they were already starting to produce cutting edge ships and weapons prior to the Klingon attack, albeit in small numbers. I assert it is much more interesting to think that instead of being on their last legs, that the Cardassians were already on the way to building a completely new model military and that they were husbanding a whole new large fleet of Galor Type IVs and that within about 12 months, they were going to strike back hard against the Klingons who had already dangerously denuded the Cardassian front of both numbers and newer ships. The arrival of the Dominion merely accelerated that time-table because even with just 80 Dominion ships, such a catastrophic Klingon defeat would not have been possible unless the Cardassians had already prepped the battlefield by learning the Klingon Order of Battle as well as scouting strategic points and weaknesses in the Klingon line. When attacked, people tend to rise up. While Dukat paints a bleak picture in 'Return to Grace,' I think he is exaggerating, and that is born out by how effective the Cardassians are in the first half of the Dominion War. They are not some band of defeated losers with powerful new friends. No, they are a hardened, lean, mean and hungry group who have been tempered and honed in a year of battle with a savage enemy and ready to apply the lessons they learned, and finally armed with the tools to do it.
@Transcendental_Kitty This but also their performance against the Marquis. I think the Cardassians were already rushing to upgrade and had solved half the issue by designing formidable weapons, and as a benefit of the tech exchange with the Tal Shiar, but had not yet been able to solve their issues with mass production. But, I think by the latter half of the Klingon War they were already overcoming their issues and starting to really roll out a good number of effective ships.
Dukat does say (I think to kira) after the war cardassia was left a third rate power which lead him into the arms of the Dominion so 50% or more of the cardassians fleet being destroyed is likely The Klingons I think Worf or Jadzia says commit about a third of their fleet to the invasion campaign
@@venomgeekmedia9886 exact numbers not sure possibly several hundred to a few thousand The Dominion were able to build ships in impressive speed they probably show the cardassians a few things also they may have taken notes from the federation in regards to the Galaxy class build them for combat not installing non combat systems to get them in the field faster
Hey Venom and Drach what are your thoughts on immediate post Dominion war and older designs made for STO like the Excalibur, Vesper, redesigned Shikar class and the Vesta lineage?
Vulcans would never liason with Romulans, Ambassador Spock was the exception, but that has always been Spock being the Half Human Half Vulcan Starfleet Officer.
Gowron was indeed quite the wild card. Not part of any established camps & a rather clever opportunist. He may have fully cemented his power over the Houses if not for being too prideful & underestimating how much Worf 359 changed Starfleet's mentality. Also, I agree by the Dom-War Starfleet should have been more armored as while powerful phasers/disruptors/etc. exist, it's not so uncommon for cases where melee combat still happens. Post-TOS Starfleet only seems to use armor in games like Elite Force & STO.
Yeah body armour of any kind is always useful. And yeah he did seem to be locked into thinking that the federation hadn't changed since he first took office
Is Gowron that different from other Klingons? I’m not aware of him backing down from a melee duel (Worf twice which is as close to suicide as a person can get and still have your beneficiary of your life insurance policy to collect). One of the times he fought Worf, he had a room full of loyal battle hardened warriors who would have been more than happy to have killing Worf as another noble deed for their life saga.
Yeah good point. Though the first time gowron didn't know what he was in for. The second time he was infuriated and perhaps wanted revenge on worf for the first time he was beaten
@@venomgeekmedia9886 He also had to accept those challenges to his authority and deal with them himself. If he just hid behind other warriors, the Klingons would NEVER respect him.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I do love the idea that Gowron intentionally tried to break the great houses by bleeding themselves taking on the Cardassian core. The scene in House of Quark of Gowron tapping his data pad getting slowly enraged as Quark bores him with financial jargon is the moment when I imagine Gowron completely had it. First the civil war now, endless mediations of disputes between these houses, IS THERE ANY WAY I CAN BURN DOWN THESE HOUSES!
I am sure there is a novel that is set partially on Romulus during the attack and they sent 7 warbirds to destroy the Klingon colony but an older romulan ship crippled or destroyed a couple before it got crippled, pretty sure it was able to watch the battle with the enterprise c
If I remember correctly now, back in the old cold war days the Soviets had a system for this where they would protect their more valuable vehicles and tanks by surrounding them with more expendable versions. For example a T-80 would be "meat shielded" by 4 T-72s or T-62s to take the hits for it. Same for combat units as well, the Guard Units would be the spearhead but when the fight becomes a slugging match they would bring in level 2 units instead, which were made of the more mundane and expendable troops and equipment. Kind of like sending in the conscripts first to soak up all the enemy fire and reveal their positions, then you bring in the more professional troops. NATO even did this in a way back in Afghanistan to some degree by sending in the Afghan police/army first to a region see what happens and then when the Taliban were located and knowledge gained the NATO troops would be sent in like a scalpel to cut out the Taliban in the region. Dark truth is every military in the world has got some troops more expendable than others in their ranks. The Kingon-Cardassian war in DS9 always was an odd one to me, I don't know what the Klingons where thinking to be honest especially when they tried to expand the fight to the federation as well. I mean yes I know the changelings had a hand in it but still some of this was done pre- infiltrator took over. The whole war seemed hard to follow.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Territorials/Army reserve would be in that case. In the British Army the normal foot soldiers would be the more expendable in this case, when compared to the Royal Marines-Paras-SAS/SBS and such. There is always someone more expendable than someone, expendable in the case of the UK military might not be the best word used I reckon. More like easier to bear the loss of in the case of the UK military. The lack of manpower is a raw issue for the UK overall to be fair. Not wanting to get political of course, but I do think our lack of real numbers to take any losses makes our military a paper tiger really. If you can't accept losses then your likely not going to last long in a war. Russia and Ukraine's war have shown us that.
Can't help but notice that the background noise is about the same as your voices. Makes it very hard to follow. Perhaps you should have done this once you got inside a building.
The ghost in the backseat. Don't tell me that's Beverly's ghost?
Don't touch that candle!
I am loving your in car chats with drac! Here’s hoping there will be many more!
Also to many more safe trips also😂!
Dukat was fighting hand-to-hand later during the fight on DS9. He had a batleth and was doing well. I would be surprised if the Cardassians didn't have a melee weapon, other than that knife we saw when during the Cardie-Jem Hadar brawl in Quarks, as any martial race will have to be trained for that eventuality. As an aside, the hand weapon shown in that magazine page shot greatly resembles a Falx, a melee weapon used by the Dacians in the 1st Century AD. Basically a reverse scythe. Roman writers document that they were incredibly effective against the lorica segmentata armor of the average Legionary, it would slice right through like a Lobster knife through a lobster tail. Amputated limbs and heads were common when fighting against the Dacians. Trajan records suffering enormous losses to the Dacians. The Falx was so formidable against the banded plate armor that the Romans actually changed the standard legionary armor for the next war with the Dacians from armor plate to chainmail and scale. Because chainmail and scale are flexible and distributes the force of the blow, the Falx does not penetrate as easily whereas plate armor stays in place and allows the full force of the blow to be concentrated. If the Cardassians used those types of weapons, it would cut straight through Klingon warrior armor in much the same way. Also, the Cardassians would have access to the Jem Hadar Kar'Takin.
How big was the Falx? That sounds like it had a lot of force behind it
@@venomgeekmedia9886 there were one handed smaller versions and bigger two handed versions. Close to a bastard or long sword. Skallagrim has a video on a replica and i think he even has test cuts.
It was a shame that Garak didn't shoot him in the back when he had the chance.
The Station regretted that later.
This is great stuff boys, keep it going and God speed.
Ooo it would be great if you and Dracinifel could set up a joint channel to discuss the militaries of various sci-fi or fantasy worlds! Not just Star Trek but whichever ones tickle your fancy. I love these podcast-like vids and even if a new channel is out of the question, I would definitely enjoy more joint chats :D
Thx for all of it!
I've an opportunity coming up...
@@venomgeekmedia9886 :D
During the dominion war. Before the federation liberated DS9. Rom stoll a pad from demar and it caused a bar fight and a cardassian pulled a knife from his back side and straight shanked a jemhadar if i recall.
I didn't think there was a knife involved
@@venomgeekmedia9886 it's early in the fight it last about 4 sec
Right in the neck!
@@venomgeekmedia9886 there was.
In most space battles in movies, etc. the ships are under full pressure. When an outer panel is punctured the chamber undergoes violent decompression and everybody dies. In WWII the B-29 was pressurized until combat was imminent and then the crew went to air masks and decompressed the plane. Why wouldn't a space war ship crew don, at least minimal, space suites and fully or partially decompress the ship?
Or at least decompress the outermost compartments
I belive they do this in the expanse
Yeah it's done in the expanse but in trek if your Hull is being breeched. Your already done for.
Because in trek the hull is minimal protection compared with the shields and they seem to have over all the ship emergency force shields in case of breaches. If you wanna go old school in TAS the crew could wear "personal shields" via special belts :)).
The Enterprise fought like a knight. Don’t forget the vocan crew that picked on Sisko and crew for laying about DS9 while they fought the noble fight
Wonderful as always
Agree about Gowron's sneakiness.
In an unrelated note, did we ever find out who poisoned K'mpec...
yeah it was duras. right?
@@venomgeekmedia9886 The poisoning investigation was overtaken by the bombing, and well by balance of probability it was probably Duras, Gowron said to K'Ehleyr that K'mpec was stubborn, never listened, implying she would end up like him. We're led to believe that Duras is the villain, but wouldn't it be totally in keeping with the endemic problems of the Klingons that Gowron was the one behind the poisoning? That said, he wasn't exactly subtle when it came to the Kahless clone and other challengers. But I like that the poisoning remains unresolved.
Where can I get a “Hunting the Huttet” shirt? That looks awesome.
The major issue I've had with the Klingon-Cardassian war is how did the Klingon's cross the part of the Federation without anyone say something. Like no one saw that many Klingon ships just cross the border? Fly through the Federation and right past major worlds by the way most maps have the "powers that be" laid out. Did they just check in with the border guards and tell them that they're on vacation. Even cloaked the trip would take longer with more chances that they are seen from brake downs and system failures.
Also they would have had to leave Klingon space from anywhere from a month to a month and a half at most high speeds alone, where we know they can't keep doing that for long. To a slow cruising speed that looks to take anywhere from 8-9 months to almost two years at speed as slow as warp 4 or lower.
And the time it would take to just muster the whole fleet. Not long, 1-2 months. They can race around inside Klingon space as fast as they like. But they would be held back as long as they can to get more of the houses fleets up and running. Say 2-3 months.
At most the soonest the Klingon could have gotten to the fight from when they came up with the idea to attack the Cardassians was from half a year to two years. That's a long time for someone inside Star Fleet to see them... for anyone to see them.
My thinking is that there are neutral shipping lanes above everyone's territory. Which would allow the free movement of the klingon fleets.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Yes but they would still be seen and not just show up out of the blue like they did. Like Sisko would have gotten some form of reports of unusual Klingon fleet activity headed his way. Even the Klingons had some form of space traffic control. And with the Federation's free press, Jake would have known something was going on.
As for neutral shipping lanes, I don't see them working out for the Klingons as well as they would now even take longer to get there.
The only answer that works is the one I hate the most.
Section 31.
But didn't Gowran stop his guards when Worf started to attack him in the ceremony room when they thought he was a changeling. So I don't think he would try to avoid the fight.
Twice gowron wasn't backing out of a fight with worf, the second time he probably should have but he was giving as good as he got till worf got him with the broken batleth ends in the war room.
Yeah and first time he didn't know what he was up against. Prior to that of course he defeated Kah'less
I suspect because they were challenges that he could not bypass
It's an interesting thought that the Cardassians cranked out budget Galors, but those Galors we see in the Dominion War are far more effective than the late-TNG and early DS9 Galors. Its been mentioned many times, but all of a sudden Galors can do a good deal of damage. Rather than budget Galors, isn't it more likely that they are actually new model ships that have been greatly streamlined for manufacture, and rather upgraded with more powerful weapons? Moreover, streamlined, more simple versions of major weapons systems don't necessarily mean they are degraded versions. On the contrary, cutting out the fat usually means the weapon is at peak effectiveness. The later models of Shermans, Panzer IVs, Panthers and T-34s were on the surface of lesser quality, but in reality were much more effective than the more elaborate early models. Moreover, the Cardassian Fleet was already pretty large early in the Dominion War. The Dominion Annexation occurs only about 16 weeks prior to the outbreak of War. It is unlikely, even by Dominion standards, that this huge new fleet was built for the Cardassians within that time frame. It is more likely that the Cardassians were already well on the upswing of their production prior to the Annexation. It is just as likely that the Cardassians were already producing a new mark of Galor, with improved weapons, before the Dominion arrived. We know they had new weapons available, and that they were already starting to produce cutting edge ships and weapons prior to the Klingon attack, albeit in small numbers.
I assert it is much more interesting to think that instead of being on their last legs, that the Cardassians were already on the way to building a completely new model military and that they were husbanding a whole new large fleet of Galor Type IVs and that within about 12 months, they were going to strike back hard against the Klingons who had already dangerously denuded the Cardassian front of both numbers and newer ships. The arrival of the Dominion merely accelerated that time-table because even with just 80 Dominion ships, such a catastrophic Klingon defeat would not have been possible unless the Cardassians had already prepped the battlefield by learning the Klingon Order of Battle as well as scouting strategic points and weaknesses in the Klingon line. When attacked, people tend to rise up. While Dukat paints a bleak picture in 'Return to Grace,' I think he is exaggerating, and that is born out by how effective the Cardassians are in the first half of the Dominion War. They are not some band of defeated losers with powerful new friends. No, they are a hardened, lean, mean and hungry group who have been tempered and honed in a year of battle with a savage enemy and ready to apply the lessons they learned, and finally armed with the tools to do it.
So, the Galor version of the Dominion War Galaxy class?
@Transcendental_Kitty This but also their performance against the Marquis. I think the Cardassians were already rushing to upgrade and had solved half the issue by designing formidable weapons, and as a benefit of the tech exchange with the Tal Shiar, but had not yet been able to solve their issues with mass production. But, I think by the latter half of the Klingon War they were already overcoming their issues and starting to really roll out a good number of effective ships.
Hey what type of click on ship is used on the Thum Neil
Dukat does say (I think to kira) after the war cardassia was left a third rate power which lead him into the arms of the Dominion so 50% or more of the cardassians fleet being destroyed is likely
The Klingons I think Worf or Jadzia says commit about a third of their fleet to the invasion campaign
Yeah. Big question is 50% of how much? Because the cardassians had no problem making up numbers come the dominion war
@@venomgeekmedia9886 exact numbers not sure possibly several hundred to a few thousand
The Dominion were able to build ships in impressive speed they probably show the cardassians a few things also they may have taken notes from the federation in regards to the Galaxy class build them for combat not installing non combat systems to get them in the field faster
Hey Venom and Drach what are your thoughts on immediate post Dominion war and older designs made for STO like the Excalibur, Vesper, redesigned Shikar class and the Vesta lineage?
Vulcans would never liason with Romulans, Ambassador Spock was the exception, but that has always been Spock being the Half Human Half Vulcan Starfleet Officer.
Who's in the back? The producer? Or is it just my eyes?
remember what Quark told Nog about hu-mans: when you take away their sonic showers and their warm beds they become animals.
weird to see their faces just like they're real people. love the shirts
((Screams in Picard)) “There were FOUR ships!!”
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Are you guys going to free your captive in the backseat?
Gowron was indeed quite the wild card. Not part of any established camps & a rather clever opportunist. He may have fully cemented his power over the Houses if not for being too prideful & underestimating how much Worf 359 changed Starfleet's mentality.
Also, I agree by the Dom-War Starfleet should have been more armored as while powerful phasers/disruptors/etc. exist, it's not so uncommon for cases where melee combat still happens. Post-TOS Starfleet only seems to use armor in games like Elite Force & STO.
Yeah body armour of any kind is always useful. And yeah he did seem to be locked into thinking that the federation hadn't changed since he first took office
Is Gowron that different from other Klingons? I’m not aware of him backing down from a melee duel (Worf twice which is as close to suicide as a person can get and still have your beneficiary of your life insurance policy to collect). One of the times he fought Worf, he had a room full of loyal battle hardened warriors who would have been more than happy to have killing Worf as another noble deed for their life saga.
Yeah good point. Though the first time gowron didn't know what he was in for. The second time he was infuriated and perhaps wanted revenge on worf for the first time he was beaten
@@venomgeekmedia9886 He also had to accept those challenges to his authority and deal with them himself. If he just hid behind other warriors, the Klingons would NEVER respect him.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I do love the idea that Gowron intentionally tried to break the great houses by bleeding themselves taking on the Cardassian core. The scene in House of Quark of Gowron tapping his data pad getting slowly enraged as Quark bores him with financial jargon is the moment when I imagine Gowron completely had it. First the civil war now, endless mediations of disputes between these houses, IS THERE ANY WAY I CAN BURN DOWN THESE HOUSES!
I remember that Enterprise C faced up against six or seven romulan warbirds?
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I am sure there is a novel that is set partially on Romulus during the attack and they sent 7 warbirds to destroy the Klingon colony but an older romulan ship crippled or destroyed a couple before it got crippled, pretty sure it was able to watch the battle with the enterprise c
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I swear I remember the Enterprise C's captain saying there was seven romulan warbirds in that episode.
If I remember correctly now, back in the old cold war days the Soviets had a system for this where they would protect their more valuable vehicles and tanks by surrounding them with more expendable versions. For example a T-80 would be "meat shielded" by 4 T-72s or T-62s to take the hits for it. Same for combat units as well, the Guard Units would be the spearhead but when the fight becomes a slugging match they would bring in level 2 units instead, which were made of the more mundane and expendable troops and equipment.
Kind of like sending in the conscripts first to soak up all the enemy fire and reveal their positions, then you bring in the more professional troops. NATO even did this in a way back in Afghanistan to some degree by sending in the Afghan police/army first to a region see what happens and then when the Taliban were located and knowledge gained the NATO troops would be sent in like a scalpel to cut out the Taliban in the region.
Dark truth is every military in the world has got some troops more expendable than others in their ranks.
The Kingon-Cardassian war in DS9 always was an odd one to me, I don't know what the Klingons where thinking to be honest especially when they tried to expand the fight to the federation as well. I mean yes I know the changelings had a hand in it but still some of this was done pre- infiltrator took over. The whole war seemed hard to follow.
True although having expendible troops is the luxury of a large army. The British army has no such luxury.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Territorials/Army reserve would be in that case. In the British Army the normal foot soldiers would be the more expendable in this case, when compared to the Royal Marines-Paras-SAS/SBS and such. There is always someone more expendable than someone, expendable in the case of the UK military might not be the best word used I reckon. More like easier to bear the loss of in the case of the UK military.
The lack of manpower is a raw issue for the UK overall to be fair. Not wanting to get political of course, but I do think our lack of real numbers to take any losses makes our military a paper tiger really. If you can't accept losses then your likely not going to last long in a war.
Russia and Ukraine's war have shown us that.
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD possibly. Although you might say we are as tolerant of casualties as the circumstances allow us to be.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Pretty much, situations always come into that estimation.
I love that this video exists. Also, this is the 69th comment. Nice.
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When are you going to get back to your good content?
what content do you mean?
Can't help but notice that the background noise is about the same as your voices. Makes it very hard to follow. Perhaps you should have done this once you got inside a building.
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You guys again ? More analysis is needed before passing judgment .