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Living without solar. Possible? Also, the brand new SEPLOS BMS 10E with Bluetooth arrived...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 พ.ย. 2022
- This video covers the next days on my Highway to H... aehhh, the next days without solar on the garage roof.
I have now prepared as much as possible for the new upgrade and need to be patient and... wait.
Victron has also sent me two new MPPTs to replace the faulty ones. Does anyone know how to keep the history data in the VRM of the old controllers and point them to the new ones?
We also have a quick first look at the new Seplos BMS 10E with Bluetooth. That is exciting!
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AC/DC I see what you did there 😎 Man you bring a smile to my face every time I watch and that is hard to do. Thank you....
Glad you enjoyed it
@@OffGridGarageAustralia It was imposters though . :>(
Andy my friend, you should be putting bare wire in those solar charge controller terminations. You are reducing the contact surface using ferrules in a terminal that is designed to compress finely stranded wire. The compression spreads the wire and makes contact on all sides of the wire.
Noooo! Damn your infernal logic. I love ferrules too.
Can you test this while you wait for panels Andy?
I was about to write something similar. The ridged nature of the clamp plus ridges on the ferrules could easily reduce the effective contact area.
By using bare wire you are increasing contact area👍🏻
That's really useful to know, will be the same on the MCB's. So I doubt I'll need my crimper I ordered yesterday, but at least I've not ordered the ferrules.
Agreed, no ferules required there. Thin stranded wires will compress easy in those terminal.
Good morning Sport Session and cool sound
Yes, a bit of afternoon sport before S.P.A.T. time.
One of my favorite things about your channel Andy is the attention to detail. You do an excellent job showing young folks the importance of detail oriented work. I still think you should put panels over the pool and make the structure out of Aluminum.
@aft what a lot of crap that comment is!
@@OffGridGarageAustralia what the engineer part ?
well the last time i checked a tesla was over 100k and generally a blue collar worker couldnt afford that on a car but hey i dont have a tesla and you do so if the comment offends you i will delete it
@@dtec30 The whole comment , and the capitalization , the punctuation , the attitude . You too can have a Tesla if you change your outlook and work hard at something you love.
@@onthelake9554 what capitalization ? or punctuation
Andy Will you try this experiment on your Charge Controllers..
Take a piece of the wire you will be using to connect to the controller. Place a ferrel on the wire BUT DO NOT CRIMP.. Put the wire with the ferrel into the controller connector and tork the screw to spec. Go do something else for a half hour and and hour. Rotork the screw once again. I think you will find the screw moves about 1/8 turn.. If more than 1/8 then wait some more. Remove the wire/farel. Check out the contact areas. This should show good contact connection. And no fraid wires.
Copper wire is soft. It will move from areas of high pressure to low pressure.. I find that if I go back and retort connection a month later will make for a good long working connection for life.
I can certainly do this test with the old controllers. Interesting. How does the copper move if it is stuck in a ferrule though?
@@OffGridGarageAustralia The wire move to an area of lower pressure.. I have seen this a number if time in my 50 years of working in electronics.
Using the farrules in the connector clamp is like using your hydraulic crimper.
That put tons of pressure on the lug and the wires pressing down to remove all the air between the wires. The clamp on the charger controllers not so much. The wires will move from high to low pressure over time the temperature. So retorting the screw is necessary. If the screw doesn't move while retorking you should be good. The use of ferrules in the controller clamps with keep the wires from fraying, I think this is the best solution for Victron objection on using ferrules.
Better weather next time. Thanks for sharing
Thanks for the video, Andy. Sorry to see your solar contractor let you down. I was in charge of an $ 18,000,000 refinery upgrade to electronic instrumentation. I always look at the packaging some electronic boards arrive in. They should all be wrapped in anti-static material. Some of the boards came in regular plastic, which caused failures several months after the operation. They cost about $ 8000 each! The storeman ordered wrapping for the boards and bought cheaper plastic bags! All our technicians wore anti-static straps during installation to prevent problems.
My son had a similar story on very expensive circuit boards in heavy mining trucks.
You have your solar array down and my is up and running now. I get over 7kw to 6kw right now per hour. makes me happy that its done. now the fun of wiring in my new breaker panel.
Thanks Andy, as always 👍
Lolol, I was wondering if your ridge vent went into the attic. I was cringing watching you blow it in there 🤣. You just learned a valuable solar/roofing lesson my friend.
I know your frustration.....all planned out and others let you down!!!!.
Well same as you my upgrade is going tits up thanks to supplies..... waiting for them, cells panels ect.....still not worked out what mppt I need aasasrrrr.....I feel your pain...
Hope it works outs.
But I did see your pictures of the guys turning up at yours to install panels.
Thank you for the video Andy.
I didn't know that seplos had an bluetooth bms version in development.
Your video caused me to be just in time (order was to be shipped today) with contacting seplos and changing my mason 280 BMS to the new v16 variant.
Hi Andy,you see, from the moment you depend on someone (Electrician) nothing works normally, as expected, you have to wait??
When you do it yourself, it's done when you want and how you want.😁
Hoping he comes soon...
Thank you for this video👍
I feel your pain Andy eating for the solar install. It’s like waiting for Santa. I too get excited when I order new presents(toys) and become annoyed when they don’t show up. I’m with Andy, it won’t be long now. Cheers Ken
Oula ... c"est vraiment désolant ce retard de 2 jours de l’électricien ! mais bon effectivement c'est difficile de travailler sous la pluie et puis peu être je pense qu'ils se prépare à l'oeuvre vu que OFF GRID GARAGE est un client spécial cela doit les troublé 😎... Mais bon j’espère que l’électricien sera bientôt au rendez vous. Superbe BMS hate de le voir en test. Bonne soirée ANDY.👍
Thanks
What a pity. I wish you many Amps again asap. 🖖
Heya, that looks like a nice pcb exept for the passive balancer
Right now, west roof 4kwp is generating 2.1kw of power. Awesome.
I love my job as an electrician. Everyone is waiting for me and calling me hoping for a quick visit. But day its only 24 hours :)
Everyone is most important to themselves. I know, I had a computer company before and customers are not easy...
@@OffGridGarageAustralia It's natural, but electricians in our country are a mistake. It happens that I am the fifth or sixth electrician with whom the client made an appointment and no one showed up. They are surprised that I came :)
was reading on Victron site about ferrules on controllers and it is said it might be a warmer connection with them. It may be interesting to test with a temp infrared or such both ways... pat
Morning Andy, beautiful day down south.
I write jokes.
May I tell you my Solar installation joke ?
I haven't started it yet
Good one!
No Ferrules!! If you have Cage Clamp Terminals a ferrule will be a downgrade. It will turn the connection into a couple of point connections instead of the full internal cage surface. If the connector is a lone screw jamming into the cable then use ferrules.
"I mean, there's sh!t everywhere here ".... love it :)
Rock on Andy, cheers!
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Good evening!
Mirando desde Chile. Hola Andy!
I see the west roof is kicking in nicely, 10 amps at 8am, 20 amps by 9.30am - even if thats it for today, no more strings you'll still get a decent photon harvest :)
10.30 and I guess thats the unshading - bring on the 50A!
@@KevIsOffGrid Nice, it was hitting 52.1A by 10-51, finally getting some charge back into those batteries 🙂
when you're waiting for the next video, you're on Andy's channel ready to pounce...
ideal time to power wash the roof
Yeah, nah, not worth it. It will be covered by solar panels soon again.
BTW, I would never wash my roof unless it is visible from the street and is unsightly.
Wenn man sich auf Handwerker verlässt.....Andi kann einem leid tun 🙂
I had a feeling there might be a delay. You could give the fence panels a bit more tilt and they might collect a little more.
Your skill in flip flops surpasses mine!😂 no way I would climb a ladder in flip flops..lol
Darn... I was hoping to see some panels today. The title was not misleading.
I am actually wondering, how did you get along defining what it's their responsability and what it's your responsability in the build. So they just put the solar panels, cabling and some bits and odds, and you do from solar charge controllers down? Would be interesting to know.
I asked a solar company for a quotation until the charge controller/inverter, and they were not interested or would not give me warranty if I connected my own batteries...
Waiting for good news from your side.
Cheers and keep up the great, great work!
The Victron wiring guide said to use ferrules if you are wanting "tidy" wiring job.... but I think generally. Where did you see they said not to use them?
why did they not say upfront that there was a backlog and you may not get seen to ?
Seems you need to make a lawn system with your old panels 😅
Betcha don’t do the leaf blower trick again. At least toward the ridge.
Oh dear, I knew this would happen. Put the more of old solar panels up temporary (2KW be enough). I hope they should be coming; it can be a week who know.
Imo the old trace C35, C60 etc unit had a big grub screw to hold the cable, held the cables really tight, with the type that victron uses, should include a flex grip under, imo there are crap, need to make good connections when dealing with dc
Sieht doch schon gut aus fingers crossed 🤞
Well if that Dont suck ! Thats okay it will happen soon enough !
There's still time to fly me over....
I wonder if the 48v Victron regulator in my Easysolar is affected by that issue?
That is the tradie mentality of Australia - they have no courtesy. That Solar company should have informed you at least 2 days before D-day that they are unable to come. Again this is Australia - don't expect too much.
No different to the UK, I texted my electrician two days ago, and nothing yet. I hate using trades, thats why I do most things myself when I'm legally permitted to.
No different to Germany. Some or better than others as everywhere else.
I was in contact with them...
@@OffGridGarageAustralia I guess it was you who had to contact them and ask.
The best thing about DIY is no waiting.
The Issue with the solar rebate is you have to get someone who has the appropriate acreditation to claim the rebate. Which can be substantial depending on state.
I myself go and buy panels from a local distributer who has panels left over that are probaly around 20 watts less than the latest panels. :-)
I paid around $80 each for brand new 370 w jinko panels.
I paid full price for a sonnen battery. Now the govt are doing subsidies. It still cost me over 20k for 5k5 panels and 8 kwh battery with the solar rebate. Granted they where panels that only reduce 10% over 25 years so that covers my retirement. 🙂
But then what does the govt do reduce feed in tarrif to 5c per kwh.
So I have an extra battery bank 3.3kwh (soon to be 6.6kwh usable) on a seperate circuit charged from my jinko panels that discharges when required and does not feed back to the grid. The sonnen I have can only output 2k5 as a load. So boosting it with my other gti I can pull 3.9 kwh before pulling from the grid. We cook using induction so its pretty effecient and super fast to heat up stuff.
NB my sonnen has broken twice in 3 years. 1st time it just stopped charging. second time after they replaced the board and module they bricked the module with a remote update after a week or so.
Andy
I have done the calculations for replacing all the petrol used by cars with electricty from the grid.
Go do the maths. I calculated around 70+ wind farms need to be added to provide the capacity to charge vehicles.
With that comes the cost of upgrading all the infrastructure that has been neglected because proffit is king.
So we the people who are actually assiting by giving them a boost are being penalised because the grid is basically stuffed.
Rant over.
Can't wait to see the new panels when they arrive on the roof and the big switch on. :-)
Off Grid house next Andy, you know you want it . :-)
crappy countries of course has stupid requirements like that. anyone can install solar panels.
What fails on the older 150/70, also how do I know if it's old one or newer ones I have
I made a video about it two weeks ago or so: th-cam.com/video/Dk6pYFpfmm0/w-d-xo.html
Andy i know it would be some serious work but it would be great if you could come up with a schematic of your entire system. Maybe there would be an online platform you could do that on.
Like this one? th-cam.com/video/RrH-mCtJZO8/w-d-xo.html
DO IT YOUR SELF AND SAVE
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yay... Rising clamp terminal
Hello Andy what are u going to do with the old charge controllers u took down I would love for u to send me one 😉
How can I buy one of bms 10e it's not on there website??
Die Kontaktfläche zur Klemmkammer mit Aderendhülsen ist wesentlich geringer als ohne, das wird der Grund sein.
(ich sehe gerade, dass Boat Electrical DIY schon entspechend geantwortet hat ;-) )
the display connector should also be different as the had announced the V16 to me which I refused due to far too high import fees due to their fed ex shipping. They wanted 60€ on top of the bill which had already incl. 19% VAT and therefore I had to reject and got the BMS from aliexp shop that is selling it as mineral.
The big difference: the shipped instantly and dhl asked for 9€ custom fees and customs instead of 60€. Of cause that might be related to germany but lots of complaints about shipping costs and fees if bought via the seplos alibaba outlet.
Nein das Display und auch das connectorcable sind identisch zur alten Version. Ich habe bisher alles DDP bei denen gekauft, das war wesentlich billiger als die Einfuhrumsatzsteuer und den Zoll zu bezahlen.
Hello Andy. Do you think using ferrules (or the recommendation from Victron to not use them) depends on the type of stranded wire you use? I mean, your welding cable is super flexible with many many very thin strands. I guess, this is not standard, when Victron speaks about "flexible cable". My flexible cables are much more stiffer, because they don't have so many strands. Greetings from Germany ;-)
My concerns about that bluetooth! It is beyond a metal plate which should be grounded. A grounded cage is not very effective to the range of the bluetooth signal or it is completely blocked. I am curious about your video ;-)
Cheerio,
Wolfgang
It won't be blocked. The signal still comes through almost the same way. I had this before with the switchboard I installed the charge controller in. Even with the door closed, no problem connecting.
Nice new BMS. I may have missed it but, is the active ballance still the same old (slow) one though?
Seplos BMSes don't have active balancing, just passive 150mA balancing. That what all these resistors are for.
What gauge wires and ferrule connectors do you use on those two upper controllers? I hope my new one in the box is good!
need to paint the roof with roof paint.
Andreas, this board is the V16 - look at it at 14:25 where you can clearly read what they also mentioned in their communication documents about the differences and how to identify the boards. Bluetooth has been anounced to me as DISPLAY only , so you need to buy the full blown BMS to get the option of bluetooth, not every Seplos BMS will have BT on board as they had told me.
Read the line above the LED EMU V1101 and then PCBA-V16
Not the 10 whatever - at least the official productname had mentioned V16 for the new version .
I hope they have fixed the balancing for the older BMS too as the channel meine energiewende has mentioned in his last video about the seplos BMS and talked about improvements over your preivous versions. But I am still waiting for that particular next video where he wanted to check the SEPLOS BMS.
Not sure how this could happen that there are so many versions and not sure if they really get in touch with all the customers for their firmware updates.
This is a prototype, not sold anywhere else... yet.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia The Bluetooth chip is on the back side of the display.
Why did you order again a seplos? Isn't jk-bms your Favoriten anymore?
We will come to this very soon. The JK is great if you have one battery and still my favourite.
Frustrating. I had a similar experience, having to wait for batteries to turn up. It took 3 months!
I am still waiting something about 3 months....
I’d like to know the details about the battery. Specifically, what happens to the BMS if the battery is low or dead. Will it protect the battery and save the settings??
I have all these videos here on my channel/ I tested all this in full detail and showed what happens to the batteries, BMS and charge controllers.
For example these two (but there are more about this topic):
Low voltage disconnect with three banks in parallel: th-cam.com/video/5Nv3Blz2knM/w-d-xo.html
Full charge video with three different BMSes:
th-cam.com/video/mkelEzVNmIE/w-d-xo.html
@@OffGridGarageAustralia sorry but I meant the small battery you found on the Seplos PCB
Ahhhhhhhh. An update. Thank you Andy. My pulse rate returns to normal... sorry I didn’t remind you to shut the garage door. In my defense, Andy two was distracting me.
Need help. I'm below noob here. Could you do one on the non-inverting summing amplifier circuit? (voltage adder circuit) I want to take 3 cell phone power banks and add their voltages (5v + 5v + 5v = 15v) then output the resulting 15v to a power inverter. I'm surprised this circuit isn't more popular. Off-grid solar power from multiple voltages of panels. Etc.? There's a rare Fincore one on eBay but I don't see any output on it. Any help much appreciated. Schematics look like gibberish to me but I've always wanted to learn electronics!
A phone power bank delivers what, 3A max. 15V x 3A = 45W. What do you want to do with 15V and 45W?
Solar panels are connected either parallel or series. I made a video here: th-cam.com/video/GFjL0-r6LbY/w-d-xo.html
@@OffGridGarageAustralia I am forced to be off grid. My aunt passed away and we inherited her mobile home. Because we let the electricity stay off so long, though, we have to rewire most of the residence including the breaker box in order to still live here and have power turned on or the electric company will not turn on power. They require inspection and I know it will not pass. Rewiring everything is not attainable at this time because of the cost. Therefore I am forced to live here without electricity. The power Banks will run strings of LED lights or run our internet box. (12v 3a. Or 12v 1.5a) Though I will watch your video because I love your work, solar panels are very expensive and a lot of people will probably have some of the smaller ones and mix them with larger ones due to cost. This circuit would be excellent for those people. Solar charge controllers would handle the larger voltage nicely and bring it down to extra amps for a better overall power supply using those tiny solar panels in addition to the larger ones. I am saving for a couple Eve batteries to hopefully run a boost converter for longer term internet and lights.
Like #2!
Since it's a known issue will they go beyond the 5 year warranty?
These are new controllers now so warranty has reset.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia did the warranty cover them? You said it was a known issue so didn't know if you meant you knew it was an issue or if victron themselves knew it was an issue
@@todamnbad Victron knew about the problem and they just replaced the two controllers. The issue only occurs under certain circumstances and is quite rare. Only if connected to 48V batteries and if there is a certain constellation of solar voltage for a while it can trigger that problem. It stops charging, restarts itself after around 20min and works fine afterwards again.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia weird, good thing we live under different stars
I will say it for you: Scheisse! Hope you get them to come soonish (tm) ^^ !
Hi Andy, I have two Victron 150-35 MPPT controlling 6× 160 watt solar panels in parallel, one has arct on the battery positive terminal causing burnt wire and terminal melted on MPPT. Any ideas why this happened?...💙🙏😎
Loose connection
I would also say a connection problem. What cables do you use? Victron specifically advises which cables are suitable and which aren't. Have a look in the manual of the MPPT.
Haaa ha ha. Omg that's funny . Leaf blower the garage out and all is well
But... you know that Victron recomments to put the cables into the TR connectors without any lugs/ferrules. Just a hint.
That's what I said in the video.
Servus , kann das sein das du ein Deutscher bist ? , Weil du auf deinem anderen Kanal deutsch spricht , kommt des daher das du Oettinger trinkst 🤨😁
Solar contractor LET DOWN:
1. Andy
2. 47,000 subscribers who have clicked 9 times in 2 days looking for NEWS!
This too shall pass...continue.
Schnell schneller den Colonel anrufen
Was ist bloss los mit dem Elektriker Berufsstand? Genau das selbe beschissene Verhalten erlebe ich seit Monaten von Elektrikern hier in der Schweiz. Tauchen einfach nicht auf obwohl angekündigt und melden sich gar nicht, keine Entschuldigung, nichts. Seit mehreren Wochen habe ich 3 Elektriker darum gebeten vorbeizukommen um meine Victron 3 Phasenanlage mit dem Haus korrekt zu verdrahten. Ich könnte es selber, möchte aber das es ein offizieller Elektriker macht. Aber wenn das so weitergeht und die sich einfach nicht mehr melden, werde ich es wohl selber machen. Hab schon gewitzelt das es wohl schneller geht wenn ich einen Abendkurs besuche und mich selber zum Elektriker weiterbilde. Vermutlich habe ich den Berufsabschluss gemacht bevor sich ein Elektriker jemals gemeldet hat. Da ich auch noch ein halbes Dutzend an Aufträgen für unsere Gemeinde (Notstromanschlüsse für Wasserreservoire etc.) zu vergeben habe hat die auch nicht gross interessiert. Ich bin auf dem Bau gross geworden da mein Vater eine Baufirma hatte aber sowas wie bei den Elektrikern habe ich noch nie erlebt bis jetzt. Geht gar nicht....
Bei Reichtum leidet die Kundenfreundlichkeit als erstes. Die haben einfach ewig viel zu tun und verdienen sich momentan dumm und dämlich. Andererseits verständlich, denn die arbeiten wie im Computer nach dem FiFo-Prinzip. Und Solar aufm Dach ist halt sehr Wetterabhängig. Also wird einer fertig gemacht und dann der nächste....
Ich bau mir nächstes Jahr 2x 25kW aufs Dach, weil 1. die Umsatzsteuer bei uns darauf wegfällt und 2. die Einspeisevergütung so interessant ist, daß es sich mehr als rentiert ;-). Das mach ich mit meiner Familie ohne Dachdecker oder Elektriker. Nur für die Abnahme und Anschluß ans Grid für die Einspeisung brauch ich die Typen.
Very unprofessional of the electrician, they could have at least called you
Hard to believe that overpriced Victron would make faulty hardware ? With so much to replace they could go broke. I guess they will only replace you tubers though. You simply cannot trust a wire puller Andy.
As a professional hair stylist and colorist . u need a shave darlinks !!
Die hätten auch mal eher was sagen können. Finde ich nicht ok von denen