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14.2kWp Solar Upgrade Installation. A trailer full of panels for me!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 พ.ย. 2022
- What an exciting day. This morning, the sparkies arrived with a trailer load full of solar panels and gear for my garage, car port and shed. All roofs will be covered with solar panels making enough energy for house, garage and property.
I'm a tight observer and try to find new things, I can learn. I'm getting a new rail system, new cabling, two new solar charge controller and of course new solar panels. Hyundai Shingled (400W) and Phono Half-Cut panels with 540W (which we will also quickly test).
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The unbridled excitement you had when they were on the roof above you is infectious. Congrats on the upgrade!
I remember the day I open the first box for my solar panels 😁
I can tell how excited you are 👍
Keep building stay happy. Your looking like a kid in a candy 🍭 shop! The shadows on the panel is amazing.
Whoa! Nice, 500w from a panel! Thats Insane!!!! Congrats on the upgrade!!
Andy. I’ve always believed in treating everyone that comes to my homestead as family (feeding and drinking them) I love to see your hospitality towards them. Cheers mate
Andy. Here’s a small marine tips! The ground cables are just knocked together and screwed on the rails like this. You can simply use a chaîne lub grease for Ike’s to protect corrosion of the copper cables. And can be removed easy. 🇫🇷
Andy, well done my friend. Have a wonderful evening and cheers!
Hurry up and get these installed, the suspense is killing me lol, Those are some very nice panel. :)
Thanks Andy, That has put a smile on your face. Nice of the crew to let you film them at work (Good time laps & PR) 👍
Great video, and so much enthusiasm. Those batteries getting low again.
Quote of the video:
"Lunch in 5...time to WASH YOUR HANDS!"
Congrats...keep them Panels coming.
Gesundheit! That was a fun one to watch. Can't wait to see the performance of those 540w panels!!!
Hi Andysir, As yoursolar updated and upgrade, congratulations to you and I also started switch over tolifp battery bank from leadacid, fantastic 😊 work by you.
I feel like it's Christmas and they're not even mine! More power to ya Andy!
Yes they are huge, you wouldn’t want to try and move them much in windy conditions, but 540w Wow.
Love ur channel and all ur hard work to bring us along on ur journey Andy, I know there is so much more to it than what we see edited in ur episodes. I love all the DIY you bring to ur channel, but it is great to see ur getting this new install and are ‘cranking up the volume’ to a whole new level. Looking forward to many more hours of testing & verifying things the way you do. Cheers
Oh Andy, that was the tester you needed mate. Wish I could afford new panels, oh well.
Hit the big leagues now Andy? Dump the second hand panels and pay someone to install brand new kit, congrats on your success !
I don’t know if it would feel as rewarding anymore having someone else install the whole big solar array After all my research and hard work And used panels LOL
Keep the amazing videos coming Andy I’ve learned a ton from you THANKS ALOT BUDDY
👍🏼🇺🇸❕❕❕
Dump victron (yesterday thinking) and get better outcome.
I so want to watch this episode, but alas I need to get to work to finish off building my battery rack. I'll watch it tonight. Ordered my panels and the Victron gear last night.
Enfin ils sont arrivés ! formidable immersion en réel avec cette équipe de technicien et électricien agréer. Merci et hate de voir la suite de l’installation.👍
Woooooo Livin the Dream Andy 🥳
Nice. Always nice to have new panels. WOW! 500W each. Mega-power. Thanks for sharing
Now you need Mrs. Andy to buy you a chain saw for Santa so you can get rid of the shading : )
So impressive. Good job not to mention the fact those guys know how to back up a trailer in a truck wow! Andy, to you and all those hard-working guy's cheers, bottoms up!!!
Nothing beats geeky happy. 😀🚫🚫🚫☁️☁️☁️only☀️☀️☀️! Can't wait for the new experiments and The Next Day.
Just a heads up Andy, last year 650 watt panels got introduced, this year the competitors are catching up. Next year they will be more available in Asia, not sure about Australia. These new panels work with updated versions of hybrid inverters. The ongrid inverters are still not upgraded.
Each panel produces about 25amps, most charge controllers/inverters previously could not handle that amp input. Be mindful for any future expansion for bigger panels
Thank you very much Andy, for using the spare time in late afternoon for actually testing the new "toy" and look whats getting out of there in hurry.
Your joy and enthusiasm is quite attaching and it is inspiring.
So nice to see your lucky face! 🙂
That all will power you on for more testing and more great videos with facts, humor and a very creative form of video-cutting.
Thanks for all this, dear Andy!
(Today you are hopping around like a happy rock wallaby... So, you are well integrated after 13 years downunder: good Aussi, mate!)
Oh my that's much solar
50 kWh energie harvest at ONE day - it is breathtaking! ... 🙂
ich freu mich für dich. Ich weiß wie es ist, saugeiles Gefühl. 👌👍
I enjoy your enthusiasm and can't wait to see what you get in the end. I started with 400w, went to 800w, and a now waiting on 400w more. It is an addiction :) I am planning for another 400w before I receive the 400w I have just ordered. I hope you realize how much you have influenced others on this path. Thank you!
Time for DIY tree trimming.
Andy you know you're gonna have to double check everything they do . May as well do the install you're self. 😀
Gesundheit Andy and congratulations on the new solar panels installations
You must have scared them into sending everybody over when they realized it was that famous TH-camr Andy from the Off-Grtid Garage channel.
Way to go Andy, I had told you in the past half cell will be a huge upgrade from the used panels. I had also started with used and replaced them I the first 2 months
Your genuine enthusiasm is quite infectious. :) I know Australia both legislates and "encourages" (incentivizes) the installation of solar for electrical generation, but it's still exciting to see you getting your new array installed.
Palette of power!!!!!!!
Great video Andy, loved the end of the day-sneaky-sprint testing.
Loving the new panels you have. mine are used 230 watt panels but with my angle they produce in rain and cloudy days. I thought on a cloudy day I would loose a lot. full sun right now I get up to 7500 watts on cloudy I get almost 7000 and raining today I get 6000 so I am super happy. cant wait to see yours running. I think since I have good distance from trees the sun is reflecting and that is why I get such good numbers on rainy or cloudy days.
I think all of us can feel ur excitement n happiness. Well done Andy. So now u can install ur second hand panels somewhere on the property and may be have a auto tracker I got one and it's great.
Wow, those new panels are HUGE.
I’m envious Andy, well done! 👍
(I don’t suppose you’ll share the total cost of these?)
I LOVE your energy when you are working on your solar!!!! Keep it up!
Great Video Andy, I'm in awe of your system.
Exciting progress and can tell you are loving it. Looking forward to see it all come together.
These readings of the device in experiments with shading are logical for a PWM controller. Obviously, the device has such a controller. The readings will be radically different if you use Victron's MPPT controllers.
Nice, thanks!
so funny to see Andy running around like a kid in a candy store
New AMP record incoming!!! Looks good already👌
At last a start, can't wait.
Welldone
Awesome mate
Man watching u move them around on the gravel makes me grind my teeth. Nothing destroys tempered glass like gravel. Lol.
Looking good so far Andy.
The difference in regulations is quite shocking.
In the UK we need main DC & AC isolator switches and an AC breaker in the house distribution box and that's all.
No earthing or fuses.
The engineer that helped me upgrade the house roof with Trina solar panels advised me not to earth my used gumtree system as it will cause ground faults with the inverter or cause the breaker in the distribution box to trip.
Having said that, when I clean my used gumtree (Old Phono Solar) panels I get a very light shock off of them, just a wee tickle that makes me giggle lol.
When I measure panel to lader with a multi meter it shows no DC voltage but reads approx 30-40v AC.
Is this the AC ripple you have spoken about in your previous videos?
Shine on dear boy, love from cold and soggy Scotty'land.
Gary.
Yes!!!
Yeeeeeeeessssss! The thumbnail NEVER lies!
I’m going to watch this again.
the big ones are really nice - we got 545 and 535 Wp panels also the EY800W tracker checker. But they are heavy and you need to prepare the way you have to carry them along.
16:55 You become the master of shadowing panels and checking them, but at the end the real world is different , not coverin half of a panel or a quarter, but the real world shadow of a tree with leads and branches everywhere. Quite good results even though these 10% are the usual results for shadowed panels seen there. Cutting the trees will be the easiest way to improve that.
But the additonal angle rack will improve also the output quite well. We are just dealing with a roof that is parted in 2 with 10° different angles of 18 and 28°. Winter coming makes a huge difference regarding the output cause right now we are missing 15% and still 7 1/2 weeks to go till days will get longer again or even 15 weeks to go to simply reach our daylight length of today again: 46 days to go till 21st of december and another 46 days would mean 5th of february. Each year a different challenge to get through the dark season.
Heya, an instalation by some profesional that's gone be a nice upgrade
Plug the holes in the roof from old Mount brackets... Or you may have lots of water leaking
impressive gadgets there andy :) part 2 please :) :)
Good luck ! Work with caution :) Thank you for very useful content !
Thanks for the video
Awesome! 😁🌞🌞🌞
Yes, a brand new video!
500W is the new normal and so easy to install. And then the power output is really fun. They start producing even before sunrise. How much are the panels down under? In the UAE this panel costs only USD 180.
Half cut and looks like 9 bus bars in each cell and I just upgraded this spring.
Very much Amps 🖖
They don't usually like you filming them breaking the rules so I am quite surprised (on the roof with no harnesses), maybe the Queenslanders are a bit more relaxed than us Westerners...
I installed 8kW myself on ground wood structures, 2x5kW inverter, 15kWh batteries, it cost me 7500€.
Awesome
yeah those are big and heavy PV units!
Mine are also half cut but 440W
Generally the cost of the racking makes the higher Wattage PV panels more cost effective - for a set total array wattage at least.
Great to see you getting new PV - did you resell off the used, used ones? LOL.
Cracking job
congrats to brand new > 14kWp in sunny down under! This will be a good upgrade, well worth it.
I got 13.6kW by 36 2m² panels on a regular Germam roof, concrete tiles, "Frankfurter Pfanne", 10m to 13m height. The team (4 people) arrived after 10:15 with one single Sprinter and were ready installing all the PV panels ca.17:00 .
Unfortunately no inverter and accu currently available here. Hopefully next year. And starting next year, we have not to pay this ugly MWSt for PV installations.
Wow, interesting day Andy. At 12:15 where you point out that it's ok to use Breakers rather than fuses in your combiner box, and fuses are typically intended to be used for short-circuit protection in circuits where inrush current could be thousands of amps to protect circuit breakers, which are typically used for overload protection unless they are 'Instantaneous trip'; I wonder if that is because solar panels are limited in the the amount of in-rush current they can produce? It would be interesting to calculate or measure what the maximum peak current of a large string into a short circuit would be. Maybe that's something Andy 2 could do after several spats?
Jack I've installed a 230 000 volt circuit breaker in a sub station. A circuit breaker is a superior product that can do anything a fuse can do.
See 14:01, max current for each panel/ string = 13.64A, times the number of parallel strings.
@@gubbernl Thanks, I got that from the video, and perhaps I was not clear enough when I mentioned 'Peak Current'. What I meant was the total instantaneous current of a string in full sunlight into a short circuit similar to shorting a capacitor or battery; which can initially be much higher than continuous current into a short.
Might you, Andy or someone know what the properties of solar panels and if they can produce instantaneous currents much higher than rated maximum current as a capacitor might? As a solar panel design is much like a capacitor, I wondered if that is the case?
The reason the maximum instantaneous current into a short circuit is important when considering breakers in an electrical supply system, is that whatever device that provides short circuit protection has to be able to withstand and interrupt the instantaneous maximum current the power source can produce, such as from the power grid, battery, generator and etc.
A 200amp circuit breaker might be able to interrupt a 1,000amp surge but 10,000 amps might weld the contacts together, preventing the breaker from interrupting a short circuit. Fuses on the other hand burn open and can't fail closed like a breaker.
In a solar system such as Andy's, with pretty large strings the breakers in his combiner box should have a much higher current interrupting rating than his solar strings could produce. Lighting welding breaker contacts is another possibility, and another reason why I personally prefer fuses for short circuit protection and breakers for overload protection.
Same goes for battery banks the main breakers Andy is using on his battery banks appear to be pretty robust and possibly able to interrupt the max instantaneous current his battery banks can produce.
@@jackoneil3933 if the max current for each panel/string is 13.64A, I cant reason why that should rise any or exceptionally so, except in the case of a direct lightening strike or some other very unfamiliar phenomena.
@@evil17 I would expect solar panel in sunlight that was not connected to any load would have a potential charge, like a capacitor, so you should see an initial current discharge higher than it's continuous short circuit output. How much that would be should be related to the capacitance of the panel to store up electrons.
I just measured capacitance of a 100W panel at 4 microfarads, so a 500w panel might be 20 microfrads, so 10 panels might be 200mfd. If my estimate is accurate, then nothing to worry about damaging an average DC circuit breaker, and likely why fuses are no longer required.
However, it would be interesting if Andy could measure the capacitance of his strings (at night) and how large a spark a string of his old panels would generate if shorted.
13:06 "...how do you carry this one..."
exactly. they are not heavy, but simply large and difficult/awkward to handle.
Hi Andy, good luck with your new project.
Your link to the JK bms isn't working properly on your review link. Could you put it up again. Will get you a beer.
Yah, 29 kilos is heavy... 64lbs! Well into the residential-panel-space and out of the one-person DIY space. That's why I wound up doing my DIY roof upgrade with 320W panels (40lbs), since it was just me and my brother putting them up.
Your test results are about what I would expect. Maybe count the bypass diodes too... should be either 3 or 6. Basically any shading on even a single cell will take out the entire sub-string (one sub-string per bypass diode). The cloudy-day performance of those panels should be really good though. i.e. the situation where the cloud cover causes the light to just come from the entire sky and not throw shadows instead of from direct sun. In that situation the cells are not 'shaded' and their true performance will come to light. Because of that, your overall energy production ought to be excellent!
There is an argument here for using slightly smaller panels to help deal with the variable shading... fewer cells per bypass diode (maybe), though in the grand scheme of things I don't think it would make that big of a difference. Your next step? Tree trimming :-)
-Matt
My QCells 475W G10 Bifacials are also 64 lbs.
Good comment mate, but I will be surprised the day Andy cuts his trees, in fact, I would like to have a FUND ME $1 for every time someone made that comment, reckon I’d have at least a few cartons of beer by now.
Andy, at 14:00 that's an impressive panel, I wish I had just a few of them! Also, might it be worth comparing solar angle output of Hyundai panels to your old used panels to see if they are better with low angle sun?
Nice panels. Not a fan of mono but they don't seem to make poly any more. Victron gear will mean you have low volts high amps. Should keep the high frequency buzz down.
Man you gotta get rid of those trees! All they do is create noise and shade!
amazing 👍
Andy, nice work. Just wondering where you procured your tinned copper busbar you used in the rack. Yes I'm in Oz but down south in Vic
Andy judging by all of the shading happening on your shed roofs I think that you need to call the tree loppers in and get at least the top 3rd of the very tall gum trees on your property’s Western skyline removed if you are going to get the maximum Solar Generation benefit out of your pretty expensive new system.
Good morning
@Off-Grid Garage can you check when two panels are in series and one panel is having shades?
maybe you'll have to trim down the shaddin
Woooow!
Why don’t you use 250 voc Victron mppt ? For Hyundai
What about the panels Andy? Where did you get these from?? Any links??
Hi I've just done the same thing. New system. Found in your other clips your charging voltages, I'm concerned I am charging to hi. I have 100ah 48v. Have you found an optimum current for size of battery.
Wird 1500 Volt netzunabhängig verwendet oder nicht?
Bruder Andy, Bruder Andy,
Schlafst du noch? Schlafst du noch?
Horst du nicht die Glocken, horst du nicht die Glocken?
Ding, dang, dong. Ding, dang, dong.
Andy two needs to help you edit new videos!
I know you are busy, and not sleeping, I just can’t wait!
Oupss
Is all 28 panels Hyundai & 540 watts each Andy ?
Why did you get 2 different kinds of panels? Space management?
Hello Andy. Why did you decide to have these panels installed by a company and not by yourself as you did in the past? 😉
They have to be installed by an accredited installer to be eligible for the small-scale technology certificates which basically halved the cost of the panels. Pretty sure he talked about it in the Electrical Inspection video a few months ago.
And they're 29kilos, 64 lbs each.
Disappointing .
@@darryndewar for off-grid photovoltaic power plant ?!
Are you sure those guys are qualified? I didn't see any of them with open toed sandals.
Jung, haddu keine Sackkarre, um die Panels zu transportieren?
Hello, can you send the MPPT charge control, Inverter, and used solar panels to me....Box 193, Sowa Town, Botswana. i want to power my farmhouse
4mm² would be not enough in Germany. Minimum 6mm², but Standard is 16mm²
16mm its standard in Poland in all ground connection
@@thomyk2 6mm² or 10mm² are allowed on special conditions, e.g. parallel connections
we use 4mm2 for the grounding in the netherlands and only direct from railsconstruction to the invertor thats all, we dont use breakers or fuses in the DC lines for normal regulair installations without battery setups
@@highflowhighflow9896 At the end, it is a question of risk assessment.
You can decide, to design your system in case of a essential fault, fails or not. And in case of a failure, it will be destroyed or not.
VDE is a private Institution, there rules are not binding, but the insurance companies follow these rules.
Anyhow, I follow the common sense, controlled by my experience as an electrical engineer for >35years.
Honestly does it really matter to use 16mm² at the end??
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