Alexander Arms puts a 7.5 twist on all their “short” Grendel barrels. They’re the only one I’ve seen to do it as most opt for 1:8. This doesn’t make up for speed but it will better stabilize a heavier bullet at longer distances.
Bill A. did that for gyroscopic stability on everything 18" and shorter. For 20", it was either 1/8.75" from Satern, or 1/9 for Shaw if I recall. My first 16" AA was 1/7.5".
Great video. Short, sweet and to the point. I got mine to carry in my vehicle. I wanted something compact for cqb but with more punch than my 5.56 pistol that is primarily for home defense. With the 3X Burris prism I have on it I doubt I’ll ever take it past 300 yards. That’s what my Creedmoor is for. I agree it’s a very versatile package.
I know my 12" grendel pistol gets it done on hogs and deer out to 400 easily and on paper I've stretched it to 650 with ease but havent had access to any longer distances yet.
@@N8DogeGames technically a pistol not a rifle but it's a combination of many things, some palmetto state gear, Alexander arms barrel, geissele trigger and a bunch of other bits and pieces. It was originally all palmetto but as time has gone on I've upgraded some things here and there
My 12" Grendel hits steel hard at 400yds, and I've been shooting out to 800yds with it since 2018. Very fun. I'm at high altitude though, so the air is a lot thinner.
The ballistics he quotes are mythical. Even assuming he can get 2300 fps out of an 11" barrel, 123 gr ELD match bullets at sea level will go transonic(1230 fps) at approximately 760 yds. This is the real wall. In the transonic area, buffeting occurs, which will cause it to wander everywhere. Even that being said, with these given parameters, supersonic speed ( approximately 1,110 fps) is reached at 860 yds. He is correct, however, that 1,600 fps is maintained out to 450 yds. It just stands out to me because a 123 ELD M bullet goes transonic just shy of 1,000 yds out of my 24" barrel. I guess the rush to claim 1,000 yd performance , out weighs reality. All in all though, the SBR Grendel is pretty crazy. Hunting at 400 plus yds with and 11" barreled pistol, that weighs 5.5 lbs. I love the concept. Just don't pass on my leg and tell me it's raining.
I am sorry you feel this way. In the end Ballistics don’t lie. Of course there is a way to get the numbers he quotes to work. Which of course to simply push the standard atmosphere to a little over 5,000 ft in elevation. So if you live in Denver CO everything he quotes is absolutely true. If you live in Nags Head North Carolina absolutely not possible. I have no problems with him calling it saying it is based on a standard atmosphere., but any standard atmosphere must be clarified with altitude. If you bought this rifle and ammo combination in Nags Head NC expecting his claimed performance results you would be extremely disappointed in Secondly, don’t shoot me. I am just the messenger. I am just pointing out scientific facts. You can use this insight any way you like. If I was you , I would use a ballistics program and draw your own conclusions. Don’t believe anything I say. Question anything you hear. At the same time don’t believe anything you hear because of someone’s credentials. Or perceived credentials. The rifle performs as he says, if you take in account for elevation and are at 5,000 ft plus. I know this, because I have been playing with 6.5 Grendel and it’s long range ballistics and capabilities for the last 10 years . Where I shoot it is 350 ft in elevation. I have established through actual experience, and hand loading that the information he has supplied is true with certain caveats that were not disclosed. For me to approach these numbers at 350 ft elevation and 59 degrees I have to use a 24” barrel and have a muzzle velocity 2,635 fps. This is pretty hot and trashed the brass in particular primer pockets. I really am not offended by your mis characterizing of my background or abilities. You can choose to either question statements which to me were misleading or research it yourself and draw your own conclusions. Or you can blindly accept what is presented to you. For me as a general rule , question what you hear. In particular when you have absolute proof through hard experience that what is being conveyed may or may not be absolutely true.
Just picked one up. Will be replacing my KAK 300 blackout barrel with the 13" Sanders. Glad to hear you're getting good accuracy out of it. Was worried I went too low in cost. Any issues or glowing reviews since you wrote this 6 months ago? Cheers!
I don't know where you came up with these numbers but I got 1086 fps at 1k yards and 322 lbs of energy, speed of sound is 1125 fps. Also this setup would be at 918 lbs of energy at just 300 yards and dropping fast! Impressive round for sure but just doesn't have the juice left much after 600-700 yards, light bullets tend to float or wonder even anywhere near super sonic speeds.
At my range at 500 foot elevation, 60 degrees 45% I'm 1110 fps at 1,000 yards out of an AA 20" barrel with 123g Amax. Muzzle measures 2512 (Labradar). While I shoot it to 1,000 yards it's happier out to 850 yards or so where it stays solidly above transonic. 1086 fps out of the shorter barrel may be a little optimistic. Hitting something at 1,000 yards is somewhat subjective where the size of the target and the amount of damage you want to do to it effect the answer.
@@johncoleman9557 I have: 22" Lilja 18" LaRue 18" AA 17.6" Lilja 16.5" Lilja 12" Faxon Group Buy 10.5" Criterion from PF I'm at higher altitude in the Mountain West region though, so I shoot the 12" out to 800yds (lased) regularly with 90% hit rate with factory 123gr ELD-M. I have shot the 17.6" at 1000yds more than any of the others, including rapid-fired 6rd groups on steel that were 8" vertical, 4" horizontal. That was at 6600ft elevation though, using 123gr A-MAX hand loads, .7gr lower than max. I enjoy shooting or using the 12" the most due to ease of carry and not much noticeable difference compared to 16 or 18", other than those handle very smoothly with farther gas ports.
standard disclaimer: i own a grendel rifle, i am not a fanboy. it is not a magic caliber. the claims made in this video seemed a bit dubious. so i dug in and here's what i found, with actual evidence! 1:08 - 2300fps? well... maybe, but i think not. here's a video from arfcom where they test the exact same load through a 12" barrel (the barrel featured here is 11", so it's HIGHLY unlikely it would be FASTER, although i would believe it was as fast, due to small differences in individual barrels and coatings), and they got an average of 2254. th-cam.com/video/in9FB5WbKWM/w-d-xo.html go to the 3minute20second mark to see the chronograph data. supersonic to 1050 yards at "standard atmosphere"? his description of standard atmosphere and Hornady's calculator's match up: sea level, 59degrees. using the 2254fps from arfcom's video, the bullet would go transsonic (1100fps @standard atmosphere according to NASA) at about 950yards (1106fps). if you assume a muzzle velocity of exactly 2300 (which seems too high to me, but he claimed it was right about that in the video) the calculator would yield a transsonic range of a little shy of 1000yds (where it measures 1093fps). lastly, i decided to figure out how fast she'd need to be going out of the pipe to actually make it to 1050yds, and according to Hornady (link to the calculator for this specific round discussed is below) the magic number is 2402fps, or about a 100fps faster than the [unsubstantiated] claim here, which likely equates to 2-3 extra inches of barrel necessary to actually have a supersonic projectile at 1050. Grendel is a great all-around cartridge. But 1050yds out of an 11"? Not with factory ammo and and non-exotic barrel/coating. For that to work, you'd need it be be a fair bit warmer, or at a markedly higher elevation. check it yourself with the calculator. www.hornady.com/team-hornady/ballistic-calculators/?autopopulated_title=6.5+Grendel+123+gr+ELD%3Csup%3E%C2%AE%3C%2Fsup%3E+Match%E2%84%A2+Hornady+BLACK%3Csup%3E%C2%AE%3C%2Fsup%3E&weight=123&humidity=50&altitude=0&temperature=59&sightheight=1.5&shootingangle=0&pressure=29.92&maxrange=500&latitude=0&axialforceformfactore=1&azimuth=0&barreltwist=7&borediameter=&coriolis=0&windangle=90&windspeed=10&zerorange=100&zerorangeflag=1&velocity=2580&ballisticCoefficient=.506&ballisticCoefficientType=%28G1%29#!/standard
I built a 12.5" barrel on a ZEV upper and lower receivers. I sent my upper to Teludyne Technologies and had their straight jacket system put on it. At 100 yds I can put 30 rounds in a half inch group and the barrel doesn't get hot. It's my go to gun for everything now. I also built an 18" 6.5 Grendel but prefer the 12.5".
What is a straight jacket system you speak of. I’ve never shot a 6.5 Grendel or even held a around in my hand but I’m looking around for barrels to put one together
@@CaptGus look up Teludyne Technologies they have the best straight jacket system out there they did my 300WM also. There's another company that makes a straight jacket barrel system and their barrel is called the DRACO'S. You can put their barrels on yourself if you have the tools to do it. Teludyne Technologies you'll have to send them your upper receiver, barrel, gas block with the tube and they fit it together. Look them up on TH-cam they're amazing.
@@speedloads2469 we need a video of it's all around purposes.... a little vehicle ride.. little house work.... then run out the back door and send some out to 800 or so.. then back thru the house to exfil via Subaru B.R.A.T. that truck thing from the 80s with the rearward facing seats in the bed.
By far the best cartridge ever put into an AR-15 and I can’t figure out why it isn’t more popular. I’ve been shooting the Grendel in an AR-15 for about 5 years now. And at the moment I have 3.5 ar grendels 18” faxon 16” Anderson 12” Odin works and a 10.5” bear creek. The 12” Odin works isn’t quite finished yet. Will be when the rest of the parts arrive this week though. It’s an awesome deer cartridge been using it for 4 seasons now and I’ve yet to have a deer run off. 120gn Speer gold dot/ federal fusion are my favorite but there’s plenty of other good ones. 115gn Barnes 123gn sst 110gn controlled chaos (isn’t very controlled) all work great on deer. My 18” and 16” both shoot moa or better out to 600yds which is the longest I’ve currently got to shoot.
I don't have the 11" AA barrel, but I do have a Critereon 12.5" barrel. I agree, an immensely versatile length using this cartridge. To give a real world data point, my velocity with Hornady Black and a can, per the Labradar, is 1998.25 fps, 29.83 inHg. 80.3F, humidity 44.3%, and elevation 700ft. May have a slow barrel. Need to use some other brands, but will likely handload 107TMK's which should get me a bit faster and extend range, but I will take a hit in BC.
@@Ripper13F1V 2000fps with 123gr was what PF recorded with 9" Grendel barrels. 12.5" should be spitting 123gr at 2300-2350fps, unless it was really cold out.
@@LRRPFco52 I was really hoping to be around 2300ish. I'll keep playing with and get another range day to record velocities, maybe the labradar was having an issue. my 18" does 2515 with 123's.
@@Ripper13F1V The type of rifling can affect velocity. My 16" AA Enfield-rifled Shaw barrel is faster than my 18" barrels sometimes. We spec'd the Faxon group buy barrels to have shallower rifling so they'd be faster. I haven't chrono'd my 10.5" Criterion Grendel yet, so we'll see.
Joe Jr I agree I barley get the velocity with my 18” Grendel to stay super sonic passed 1000yards. Those hornady black he’s showing in the video 123gn eld I’m only getting 2425fps with an 18” faxon match barrel. I do love the Grendel for deer hunting though it does the trick for sure. I use a 16” Anderson for deer hunting with either a 120gn Speer gold dot or 115gn Barnes vor-tx. I was using the 110gn Lehigh controlled chaos but it was destroying too much meat if you hit the shoulder. I’m working on a 12” Odin works build now for my son to deer hunt with. Out to 200yds. Highly doubt we’ll be ringing steel at 1000yds though lol. My 18” and 16” both do good out to 600yds but I’ve never shot any farther. Soon as I get this 12” finished I will report back here with some velocity data but I think 2300fps with a 120-123gn bullet ain’t going to happen, especially at and below sea level where I’ll be shooting.
@@justa3v619 I get ~2330-2350 with 100 grain wolf, 123 grain Hornady black gives me 2150-2200ish so according to my math on hornady's calculator I'm going subsonic around 900yards, which is still darn impressive for a SBR. With a red dot and 3x magnifier I'm able to take that rifle with my skill to 700 yards (12" wide steel silhouettes), after that me or my spotter couldn't tell where the bullets were landing and with a red dot I was just holding out into space guessing. With a scope I'm sure you could push it to it's limit but for a short barrel that limit seems to be around the 800-900 yard mark. I probably wouldn't shoot an animal past 400
If you shoot the 130gr Nosler RDF, it does 1000yds easily. 123gr SMK and Scenar are high BC bullets as well that outclass the Hornady 123gr ELD-M, but ELD-M is more affordable and available to shoot. The scope really becomes more of a determining factor in what you're wanting to do with it. Most people aren't going to put a target scope on an 11" AR15, but the compact magnified optics options with good reticles are slowly being added to the market. The NightForce NX8 1-8 is pretty ideal for many uses on a pistol or SBR Grendel. You get excellent Close Quarters, hunting, and more than adequate long range use with that optic.
I think it's possible with the right shooter, Optic Mount, Conditions, Ammo and a Scope like the US Optics FDN 25X or any of those scopes with no issues going past 2000 and it can be done.
I own 2 of AA Highlander pistols. With the most fabulous 95gr V-Max custom loads I can find, or 110gr Chaos loads, I don't get your stated performance. 123gr simply doesn't have the speed to do it. What powder are you using?
I really like my 18 in 6.5 Grendel I shoot Hornady sst 123gr and ELD 123gr bought some wolf military ammo 100 gr gonna see if it shoots well and good defensive ammo maybe hog and coyote ammo.
Mmm. My ballistics calculator is showing 1,105.8FPS at 1000 yards, and 333.9 ft/lb of energy for this build w/Hornaday 123g A-Max. What am I missing here?
Great video, may I ask what handguard you are using? It doesn’t look like the Manticore Arms included with their current offering, and I really prefer the extension of the M-LOK cutouts on your guard!
@@ryanhutchinson3550 Grendel barrel life runs 15,000-24,000rds+ depending on steel hardness and schedule. If you could engineer the propellant to burn quickly and not flow through the throat, you could increase throat life.
So I may be mistaken but doesn't the overall length need to be under 26 to be considered a pistol? That's The conclusion I came to by reading up on what the ATF said about these braced pistols.
@@MF-Rell I have 4 6.5G pistols now. Two Alexander Highlander, a PSA 12" and a custom build 12" with a Franklin lower SBA4 and an Aero Precision barrel. Looking for time to test them. I ran across a guy wanting to sell everything to finance a home purchase. I bought 4k rds Grendel and his Alexander Highlander at a decent price.
“You got targets out to 1000? It’s great for that.” Umm. No. It’s capable, yes. But it’s not “great” for that. It’s remarkably capable for such a compact option, but let’s not pretend these are going to tearing up PRS.
Standard carbine buffer is fine, but they like being sprung heavier with Sprinco Red. That's what I use in my 12" Grendel suppressed. I also use the Bootleg Adjustable Gas bolt carrier system, choked fully-suppressed. Has run like a raped ape for the past 4 years.
Hey Nicolas, thanks for watching, I appreciate it! There is only so much time, but you might see a follow-up in the future demonstrating additional capabilities. I can get out to beyond a thousand at another range.
I love short-barreled Grendels. Just got another 12" and finished my 10.5", after shooting my first 12" for 4 years. Started with 16" and 18" before that.
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Alexander Arms puts a 7.5 twist on all their “short” Grendel barrels. They’re the only one I’ve seen to do it as most opt for 1:8. This doesn’t make up for speed but it will better stabilize a heavier bullet at longer distances.
Bill A. did that for gyroscopic stability on everything 18" and shorter.
For 20", it was either 1/8.75" from Satern, or 1/9 for Shaw if I recall.
My first 16" AA was 1/7.5".
Fantastic video. Pro-level quality and presentation. Short and to the point. You, Sir, need more subscribers! Liked and subscribed!
Thank you very much 00xanawolf00, tell all your friends!
Agreed. Just did!
Great video. Short, sweet and to the point. I got mine to carry in my vehicle. I wanted something compact for cqb but with more punch than my 5.56 pistol that is primarily for home defense. With the 3X Burris prism I have on it I doubt I’ll ever take it past 300 yards. That’s what my Creedmoor is for. I agree it’s a very versatile package.
I know my 12" grendel pistol gets it done on hogs and deer out to 400 easily and on paper I've stretched it to 650 with ease but havent had access to any longer distances yet.
@kelby odell, it's pretty amazing what this little blaster will do
Who makes your rifle?
@@N8DogeGames technically a pistol not a rifle but it's a combination of many things, some palmetto state gear, Alexander arms barrel, geissele trigger and a bunch of other bits and pieces. It was originally all palmetto but as time has gone on I've upgraded some things here and there
My 12" Grendel hits steel hard at 400yds, and I've been shooting out to 800yds with it since 2018. Very fun. I'm at high altitude though, so the air is a lot thinner.
The ballistics he quotes are mythical. Even assuming he can get 2300 fps out of an 11" barrel, 123 gr ELD match bullets at sea level will go transonic(1230 fps) at approximately 760 yds. This is the real wall. In the transonic area, buffeting occurs, which will cause it to wander everywhere. Even that being said, with these given parameters, supersonic speed ( approximately 1,110 fps) is reached at 860 yds. He is correct, however, that 1,600 fps is maintained out to 450 yds. It just stands out to me because a 123 ELD M bullet goes transonic just shy of 1,000 yds out of my 24" barrel. I guess the rush to claim 1,000 yd performance , out weighs reality. All in all though, the SBR Grendel is pretty crazy. Hunting at 400 plus yds with and 11" barreled pistol, that weighs 5.5 lbs. I love the concept. Just don't pass on my leg and tell me it's raining.
He's been in the business awhile, I'll take his word over a mail ninja behind a keyboard 😂
I am sorry you feel this way. In the end Ballistics don’t lie. Of course there is a way to get the numbers he quotes to work. Which of course to simply push the standard atmosphere to a little over 5,000 ft in elevation. So if you live in Denver CO everything he quotes is absolutely true. If you live in Nags Head North Carolina absolutely not possible. I have no problems with him calling it saying it is based on a standard atmosphere., but any standard atmosphere must be clarified with altitude. If you bought this rifle and ammo combination in Nags Head NC expecting his claimed performance results you would be extremely disappointed in
Secondly, don’t shoot me. I am just the messenger. I am just pointing out scientific facts. You can use this insight any way you like. If I was you , I would use a ballistics program and draw your own conclusions.
Don’t believe anything I say. Question anything you hear. At the same time don’t believe anything you hear because of someone’s credentials. Or perceived credentials.
The rifle performs as he says, if you take in account for elevation and are at 5,000 ft plus. I know this, because I have been playing with 6.5 Grendel and it’s long range ballistics and capabilities for the last 10 years . Where I shoot it is 350 ft in elevation. I have established through actual experience, and hand loading that the information he has supplied is true with certain caveats that were not disclosed. For me to approach these numbers at 350 ft elevation and 59 degrees I have to use a 24” barrel and have a muzzle velocity 2,635 fps. This is pretty hot and trashed the brass in particular primer pockets.
I really am not offended by your mis characterizing of my background or abilities. You can choose to either question statements which to me were misleading or research it yourself and draw your own conclusions. Or you can blindly accept what is presented to you. For me as a general rule , question what you hear. In particular when you have absolute proof through hard experience that what is being conveyed may or may not be absolutely true.
I have this same barrel on rifle and i get excited every time shoot my rifle. I shoot the 129 gr and now switching to the barnes bullet
I have a 13" Sanders Armory barrel.. it's been nice accurate shooter.. good video..
Just picked one up. Will be replacing my KAK 300 blackout barrel with the 13" Sanders. Glad to hear you're getting good accuracy out of it. Was worried I went too low in cost. Any issues or glowing reviews since you wrote this 6 months ago? Cheers!
@@hans2five negative.. it still shoots fantastic since this.. will say that it hasn't seen much use since I bought a 6.5 creed.
Thank God 🙏 this is the review I’ve been looking for 😎🙏💕💯🎈
I don't know where you came up with these numbers but I got 1086 fps at 1k yards and 322 lbs of energy, speed of sound
is 1125 fps. Also this setup would be at 918 lbs of energy at just 300 yards and dropping fast! Impressive round for sure but
just doesn't have the juice left much after 600-700 yards, light bullets tend to float or wonder even anywhere
near super sonic speeds.
At my range at 500 foot elevation, 60 degrees 45% I'm 1110 fps at 1,000 yards out of an AA 20" barrel with 123g Amax. Muzzle measures 2512 (Labradar). While I shoot it to 1,000 yards it's happier out to 850 yards or so where it stays solidly above transonic. 1086 fps out of the shorter barrel may be a little optimistic. Hitting something at 1,000 yards is somewhat subjective where the size of the target and the amount of damage you want to do to it effect the answer.
I wouldn't go shorter than 16 on a grendel
@@johncoleman9557 I have:
22" Lilja
18" LaRue
18" AA
17.6" Lilja
16.5" Lilja
12" Faxon Group Buy
10.5" Criterion from PF
I'm at higher altitude in the Mountain West region though, so I shoot the 12" out to 800yds (lased) regularly with 90% hit rate with factory 123gr ELD-M.
I have shot the 17.6" at 1000yds more than any of the others, including rapid-fired 6rd groups on steel that were 8" vertical, 4" horizontal. That was at 6600ft elevation though, using 123gr A-MAX hand loads, .7gr lower than max.
I enjoy shooting or using the 12" the most due to ease of carry and not much noticeable difference compared to 16 or 18", other than those handle very smoothly with farther gas ports.
My favorite part of this video is when he said “it’s great for that” say less 💯💪🏽💪🏽
@chirs Barrera, sometimes less is more ;)
Say less also means “bet” for our Zoomer generation, I know it doesn’t make sense but it sounds cool 😎 gotta stay hip
Horn Blk 123gr suppressed, 12" barrel, 3500ft MSL, 2253fps @ 70F, 2327fps @ 82F, 2222fps @ 65F, 2051fps @ 100Y with 1150ft-lbs, transonic @ 650y, 988fps @ 1k yards with 267ft-lbs. Mine's killed three deer from 250-400y. It is however a carbon bomb when run suppressed.
Thanks for the numbers.
I have the PSA 12 inch barrel everything you said about the 11 inch should apply to the 12,,, great video thanks
standard disclaimer: i own a grendel rifle, i am not a fanboy. it is not a magic caliber. the claims made in this video seemed a bit dubious. so i dug in and here's what i found, with actual evidence!
1:08 - 2300fps? well... maybe, but i think not. here's a video from arfcom where they test the exact same load through a 12" barrel (the barrel featured here is 11", so it's HIGHLY unlikely it would be FASTER, although i would believe it was as fast, due to small differences in individual barrels and coatings), and they got an average of 2254. th-cam.com/video/in9FB5WbKWM/w-d-xo.html go to the 3minute20second mark to see the chronograph data.
supersonic to 1050 yards at "standard atmosphere"? his description of standard atmosphere and Hornady's calculator's match up: sea level, 59degrees. using the 2254fps from arfcom's video, the bullet would go transsonic (1100fps @standard atmosphere according to NASA) at about 950yards (1106fps). if you assume a muzzle velocity of exactly 2300 (which seems too high to me, but he claimed it was right about that in the video) the calculator would yield a transsonic range of a little shy of 1000yds (where it measures 1093fps).
lastly, i decided to figure out how fast she'd need to be going out of the pipe to actually make it to 1050yds, and according to Hornady (link to the calculator for this specific round discussed is below) the magic number is 2402fps, or about a 100fps faster than the [unsubstantiated] claim here, which likely equates to 2-3 extra inches of barrel necessary to actually have a supersonic projectile at 1050.
Grendel is a great all-around cartridge. But 1050yds out of an 11"? Not with factory ammo and and non-exotic barrel/coating. For that to work, you'd need it be be a fair bit warmer, or at a markedly higher elevation. check it yourself with the calculator.
www.hornady.com/team-hornady/ballistic-calculators/?autopopulated_title=6.5+Grendel+123+gr+ELD%3Csup%3E%C2%AE%3C%2Fsup%3E+Match%E2%84%A2+Hornady+BLACK%3Csup%3E%C2%AE%3C%2Fsup%3E&weight=123&humidity=50&altitude=0&temperature=59&sightheight=1.5&shootingangle=0&pressure=29.92&maxrange=500&latitude=0&axialforceformfactore=1&azimuth=0&barreltwist=7&borediameter=&coriolis=0&windangle=90&windspeed=10&zerorange=100&zerorangeflag=1&velocity=2580&ballisticCoefficient=.506&ballisticCoefficientType=%28G1%29#!/standard
Thanks G the grendel gang are numbers people and i appreciate the leg work!
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I built a 12.5" barrel on a ZEV upper and lower receivers. I sent my upper to Teludyne Technologies and had their straight jacket system put on it. At 100 yds I can put 30 rounds in a half inch group and the barrel doesn't get hot. It's my go to gun for everything now. I also built an 18" 6.5 Grendel but prefer the 12.5".
What is a straight jacket system you speak of. I’ve never shot a 6.5 Grendel or even held a around in my hand but I’m looking around for barrels to put one together
@@CaptGus look up Teludyne Technologies they have the best straight jacket system out there they did my 300WM also. There's another company that makes a straight jacket barrel system and their barrel is called the DRACO'S. You can put their barrels on yourself if you have the tools to do it. Teludyne Technologies you'll have to send them your upper receiver, barrel, gas block with the tube and they fit it together. Look them up on TH-cam they're amazing.
I need one for my collection omg she beautiful cheers mate
This is a beast!. It does everything. Now I have a void to fill.....
You know it! This thing just might be the ultimate do-it-all hideaway.
@@speedloads2469 we need a video of it's all around purposes.... a little vehicle ride.. little house work.... then run out the back door and send some out to 800 or so.. then back thru the house to exfil via Subaru B.R.A.T. that truck thing from the 80s with the rearward facing seats in the bed.
By far the best cartridge ever put into an AR-15 and I can’t figure out why it isn’t more popular. I’ve been shooting the Grendel in an AR-15 for about 5 years now. And at the moment I have 3.5 ar grendels 18” faxon 16” Anderson 12” Odin works and a 10.5” bear creek. The 12” Odin works isn’t quite finished yet. Will be when the rest of the parts arrive this week though. It’s an awesome deer cartridge been using it for 4 seasons now and I’ve yet to have a deer run off. 120gn Speer gold dot/ federal fusion are my favorite but there’s plenty of other good ones. 115gn Barnes 123gn sst 110gn controlled chaos (isn’t very controlled) all work great on deer. My 18” and 16” both shoot moa or better out to 600yds which is the longest I’ve currently got to shoot.
I don't have the 11" AA barrel, but I do have a Critereon 12.5" barrel. I agree, an immensely versatile length using this cartridge. To give a real world data point, my velocity with Hornady Black and a can, per the Labradar, is 1998.25 fps, 29.83 inHg. 80.3F, humidity 44.3%, and elevation 700ft. May have a slow barrel. Need to use some other brands, but will likely handload 107TMK's which should get me a bit faster and extend range, but I will take a hit in BC.
Federal 120gr factory ammo does 2400fps from my 12" Grendel.
@@LRRPFco52 Thanks LRRP, you Sir are a gentleman and a scholar. Haven't tried that flavor yet, but will give a whirl.
@@Ripper13F1V 2000fps with 123gr was what PF recorded with 9" Grendel barrels.
12.5" should be spitting 123gr at 2300-2350fps, unless it was really cold out.
@@LRRPFco52 I was really hoping to be around 2300ish. I'll keep playing with and get another range day to record velocities, maybe the labradar was having an issue. my 18" does 2515 with 123's.
@@Ripper13F1V The type of rifling can affect velocity. My 16" AA Enfield-rifled Shaw barrel is faster than my 18" barrels sometimes.
We spec'd the Faxon group buy barrels to have shallower rifling so they'd be faster.
I haven't chrono'd my 10.5" Criterion Grendel yet, so we'll see.
I find it hard to believe that short barrel is hitting steel at 1000 yards. Is there a video of this happening?
Joe Jr I agree I barley get the velocity with my 18” Grendel to stay super sonic passed 1000yards. Those hornady black he’s showing in the video 123gn eld I’m only getting 2425fps with an 18” faxon match barrel. I do love the Grendel for deer hunting though it does the trick for sure. I use a 16” Anderson for deer hunting with either a 120gn Speer gold dot or 115gn Barnes vor-tx. I was using the 110gn Lehigh controlled chaos but it was destroying too much meat if you hit the shoulder. I’m working on a 12” Odin works build now for my son to deer hunt with. Out to 200yds. Highly doubt we’ll be ringing steel at 1000yds though lol. My 18” and 16” both do good out to 600yds but I’ve never shot any farther. Soon as I get this 12” finished I will report back here with some velocity data but I think 2300fps with a 120-123gn bullet ain’t going to happen, especially at and below sea level where I’ll be shooting.
@@justa3v619 I get ~2330-2350 with 100 grain wolf, 123 grain Hornady black gives me 2150-2200ish so according to my math on hornady's calculator I'm going subsonic around 900yards, which is still darn impressive for a SBR. With a red dot and 3x magnifier I'm able to take that rifle with my skill to 700 yards (12" wide steel silhouettes), after that me or my spotter couldn't tell where the bullets were landing and with a red dot I was just holding out into space guessing.
With a scope I'm sure you could push it to it's limit but for a short barrel that limit seems to be around the 800-900 yard mark. I probably wouldn't shoot an animal past 400
If you shoot the 130gr Nosler RDF, it does 1000yds easily. 123gr SMK and Scenar are high BC bullets as well that outclass the Hornady 123gr ELD-M, but ELD-M is more affordable and available to shoot. The scope really becomes more of a determining factor in what you're wanting to do with it. Most people aren't going to put a target scope on an 11" AR15, but the compact magnified optics options with good reticles are slowly being added to the market. The NightForce NX8 1-8 is pretty ideal for many uses on a pistol or SBR Grendel. You get excellent Close Quarters, hunting, and more than adequate long range use with that optic.
I think it's possible with the right shooter, Optic Mount, Conditions, Ammo and a Scope like the US Optics FDN 25X or any of those scopes with no issues going past 2000 and it can be done.
I own 2 of AA Highlander pistols. With the most fabulous 95gr V-Max custom loads I can find, or 110gr Chaos loads, I don't get your stated performance. 123gr simply doesn't have the speed to do it. What powder are you using?
I really like my 18 in 6.5 Grendel I shoot Hornady sst 123gr and ELD 123gr bought some wolf military ammo 100 gr gonna see if it shoots well and good defensive ammo maybe hog and coyote ammo.
Mmm. My ballistics calculator is showing 1,105.8FPS at 1000 yards, and 333.9 ft/lb of energy for this build w/Hornaday 123g A-Max. What am I missing here?
123gr Scenar and 123gr SMK have much better BCs than the 123gr A-MAX or ELD-M. Also depends on how high you are above sea level.
Great video, may I ask what handguard you are using? It doesn’t look like the Manticore Arms included with their current offering, and I really prefer the extension of the M-LOK cutouts on your guard!
Tackstar Carbon Fiber hand guard 10” I have the same set up I built as shown in this video
1:37, for a second there I thought "what the heck is a Palmer tipped bullet?"
I really want to see what SIGs Hybrid case could do when applied to 6.5 Grendel. Maybe 2,800 fps out of a 16 in Barrel?
Hell fuckin' yeah! They'll have to time that out when barrel production catches up. Cause you know barrel life will be cut in half!
@@ryanhutchinson3550 Grendel barrel life runs 15,000-24,000rds+ depending on steel hardness and schedule.
If you could engineer the propellant to burn quickly and not flow through the throat, you could increase throat life.
So I may be mistaken but doesn't the overall length need to be under 26 to be considered a pistol? That's The conclusion I came to by reading up on what the ATF said about these braced pistols.
1000 yd pistol.....
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I am on the fence because of the $$$. My current pieced-together 12" PSA runs perfectly and is accurate. What makes this worth double the dinero?
Get a bear creek upper for 260 bucks.
@@MF-Rell I have 4 6.5G pistols now. Two Alexander Highlander, a PSA 12" and a custom build 12" with a Franklin lower SBA4 and an Aero Precision barrel.
Looking for time to test them.
I ran across a guy wanting to sell everything to finance a home purchase. I bought 4k rds Grendel and his Alexander Highlander at a decent price.
When you hear the impact on steel and feel minimal recoil. That's what really sells it. 5.56 sounds like a tiny "tink" in comparison.
Awesome!!
It most certainly is!
For the Tacstar CF 10" handguard did you have to swap out the original barrel nut from the stock Alexander Arms AR Grendel?
If anyone watches this in 2024 these fps numbers are wrong here. I only get his stated FPS out of my 22” barrel.
I get 2350 with my 12” and 2550 with my 16” - 2024
is that the included fore end?
What hand guard is on this pistol?
How do i get one
“You got targets out to 1000? It’s great for that.” Umm. No. It’s capable, yes. But it’s not “great” for that. It’s remarkably capable for such a compact option, but let’s not pretend these are going to tearing up PRS.
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What does the bravo recommend for buffer on sbr for this??
Standard carbine buffer is fine, but they like being sprung heavier with Sprinco Red. That's what I use in my 12" Grendel suppressed. I also use the Bootleg Adjustable Gas bolt carrier system, choked fully-suppressed.
Has run like a raped ape for the past 4 years.
They test those BC using the 24" barrel, not 11". But nice gun there!
BC doesn't care about the barrel length.
it "can" get out to 1000yds is one thing, but will it be consistent tight grouping is another thing...... hell, a 22lr can get out to 1000yds also 😂😂😂
With all due respect, I find it hard to believe that you are getting 2300 FPS out of that rig.
derekkt49 the data is out there look it up
Justin Stroax post a link.
derekkt49 look it up if u know about ballistics this is common knowledge
my 11.5 gets 2210 with a hot 123gr amax
@@justincivil9411 every gun is different dummy
shoots to 1000 yards? sure didn't see it in the video
Hey Nicolas, thanks for watching, I appreciate it! There is only so much time, but you might see a follow-up in the future demonstrating additional capabilities. I can get out to beyond a thousand at another range.
That barrel length is too short. I don't care who makes it.
I love short-barreled Grendels. Just got another 12" and finished my 10.5", after shooting my first 12" for 4 years. Started with 16" and 18" before that.