ATTN: It should be noted that this video was produced before launch, and that there is a non-motion control scheme available now in preferences for those that don't find this scheme a good fit.
The learning gap seems so vast, it is kinda of intimidating, however I've been suffering from carpal tunnel from work for a while now and it has screwed up my gaming. I'll keep at it - I want to create some cool stuff too!
Definitely not something that will be mastered overnight. I'd say it was about 3 months until I really felt comfortable with the tools. Like anything, I'm still improving as I continue to practice after a year.
The Move controllers have potential in VR, if and when it comes... the dualshock is much easier despite some minor drawbacks. Overall, the controls could use some tweaking, for sure.
Yes, I agree. I plan to give the Moves another shot when VR is available. I've come to the conclusion that controls on the DS4 would actually work better with some button combinations disabled. In the video I talk about not touching the sticks with R2 pressed. If you remove the functionality completely, you lose nothing except confusion.
First off good video it does explain how confusing the the controls are in dreams and I'm used to digital sculpting in zbrush I think media molecule needs to use the touchpad on the DS4 as a mouse type input use your thumb as a mouse to navigate like you would in zbrush zoom in zoom out can be done with one stick while rotation can be done on the other stick. The shoulder buttons can continue to access specific rotation and move functions and the motion controls can be used 4 Quick moves and some precision but I think they're onto something but he's just not refined enough dreams is amazing this is not a game this is actually a program something similar 2 what developers are sort of used to this is a excellent entry point for anyone looking to get into World building 3D sculpting and all sorts of other things I think media molecule made a hit
The touchpad in general is underutilized, and I think you're right that they could find a good use of it. I'm not sure why they havent. As far as I know, they've been working on a control scheme minus motion controls, so maybe that scheme uses the pad?
I wish they would add a dummy mode for dreams it'd way to overbearing for me I wish they would dumb it down when u want to create something but good vid though I really hope they add anlog controls soon I can't get used to the motion controls
@Kodak Black exactly, don't waste your money if they don't fix it.. I literally deleted the game and I won't download until I know they fixed that shit
Perhaps change the video title to include DS4? Then when people find this video by search, link, or playlist, they know right-off which controls it covers
This is actually pretty helpful to me, so thanks for making it. But I found the controller being mirrored to be kind of confusing. Maybe flip it upside-down instead, if you make more videos like this.
You're welcome. Probably wont be more like this, but thanks for the feedback. Caused me to learn how to do this. Honestly, it's kind of odd every way you do it.
Very useful video Stew, but the fact that the video image of your hands is reversed dosen't help beginners much. You say R2 and on the video of your hands we see L2.
I bought thw motion move control sticks but it doesnt work. I figured i need the ps4 camera. Do you know if its true? And do you thinks the Motion Move Controls are äny good for dreams?
Why ist your menu on the imp? I cant find a setting for this and i doubt it has something to do with the playstation move controllers wich i dont have :(
@@LucidStew Have you heard of an old game called Flower for PS3 and PS4? It’s very relaxing. You basically guide the wind by rotating the controller. (Not like a steering wheel, but with the other two axis.) I’ve got a concept for a big spin-off game, but I just can’t get the controller to react properly. (Plus I’m having difficulties with the camera.)
Hey Lucid, Thanks for the great work as always. Wanted to ask, ~6 months later, do you still consider your recommendations in this video, like not using sticks when grabbing with R2, etc, to be best practices, or has your opinion changed, and if so, what is your current view please?
Yes, I would still avoid that. Personal opinion is that they should remove that functionality. It's redundant and confusing. Instead of whatever R2 + sticks does, I would use R1 + sticks or L2 + sticks in its place. What you dont see me do in this video that I would recommend is getting used to using R2 with your middle fingers, and R1 with your index. Doesnt relate to motion controls, but you'll find a lot instances where you'll want to lock the camera and rotate around a spot so you can see the other side of something without moving it. Another thing I don't show in this video is using motion controls with surface snap on. The two combined are a major, major sculpting and spraypainting tool, and one of things that make the motion controls very important.
I was thinking about this while doing some work today, and this is situational. If you're freely grabbing things that you don't want to move, you want to avoid R2. R2 is necessary for copying R2+L1, and if you want to move the copy before you complete it, you have to release L1 and hold R2. So you really NEED to use the stick with R@ for this, BUT, if you rotate the camera while doing that, you rotate the object, which is often undesireable for various reasons. For this reason, you want your index free to hold R1, which will lock the camera, like I was talking about in the other comment. So, can't say DONT use R2 and stick, because absolutely must sometimes
We need more tutorials like this that break down smaller pieces of the dreams tools. You might consider having a few more objects in the scene so that we can tell how they are moving relative to each other. Other than that this video was very useful
I think part of it is the general lack of documentation. You're never really sure if you know everything about a subject. Just learned tonight that double-tap on X in edit selects all sculpts.
Hello lucid ive tried to lineup a cylinder and a donut shape even to where the donut is even with the cylinder on top of it.Ive the grid snap and tried different settings no luck.Got any ideas
When you make the cylinder, make sure its sized so that each end is touching a grid dot. With the grid still on, make a donut sculpt, but bring the shape editor up first. The donut diamater is slightly smaller than the cylinder, but you can edit the donut to make them the same. If you're doing it with regular(1) grid snap, it will basically do it automatically when you touch it. I think this is due to a bug in the editor, but that's how I did it.
If you recenter on a level surface, leave it there, it still drifts, and that happens consistently, I'd guess there's an issue with the controller. Occasionally my imp will get so out of wack that only a restart of Dreams will fix it, but that's pretty unusual.
@@LucidStew I mean I've taken my controller apart, replaced batteries and cleaned up with compressed air my right analog stick which had drift and it fixed it but I can't seem to find anything to solve this issue.. I start up dreams then leave my controller laying flat on my nightstand and it still drifts ever so slightly to the left.. I might need to take it apart again and take a better look at the motherboard of the controller
I can't find a single TH-cam video that talks about this problem and honestly it's not even noticeable on other games just dreams for some reason I'd hate to buy a whole other controller for just one game especially since the ps5 is already out
@@HumbertoHacked Just from talking about it over the past 2 years, it seems some people have a lot of trouble with it, and others have none, so it might be that tiny inconsistencies in controller manufacture might make a big difference. It may also matter how you hold it. Because of the way I have things set up, when I play I am sitting upright and I hold the controller down by my knees under a desk. This seems to cause me more trouble than when I used to have my PS4 in the living room and played it on a couch in a more traditional console gaming posture.
Hey, Stew! I think people suggesting turning imp sensitivity way down are intending to just have the imp be stuck to the middle of the screen and using the sticks to move around entirely, so they don't use the motion controls at all. Definitely not my thing, but it might help some people. So confused by that flipped camera halfway through XD That's weird about the yaw/roll thing. Didn't notice that before. I've now logged it on indreams.me. feedback.indreams.me/forums/917431-dreams-bugs/suggestions/37468243-l2-motion-controls-yaw-and-roll-don-t-match-the-co
I get why people suggest turning it off, essentially, but this is a wrong move because it completely handicaps sculpting. If someone learns that way and then never unlearns it, they've made sculpting and painting 20 times harder for themselves just because they refused to put a little effort in.
I know this is late but you don’t have to swing your arms just use your wrist.You have to get used to moving optimally otherwise it wouldn’t be convenient.
I love media molecule but the controls are a piece of ****. Absolutely horrendous. Im looking for precision AND speed. I move my joystick, the imp and object moves away from me at the same time as it moves in 3dimentions. What. And the motion control is like an extra way to decrease the precision while moving the object while I'm trying to move it in other dimensions. If grid snap is the only option im going to go crazy turning it off an on off and on just for doing organic things and back to structure building. LBP had waaaay batter controls guys.
AND when I move the imp around, from its center it has this big swing and I can't position without having to grab and object. I watched the creators of thr game use the actual wands and they were doing some weird stuff to move the objects around and imp and simultaneously like they were trying to use a mouse. I feel like im using a mouse too. What the heck is this.
Well, LBP wasnt a fully 3D editor, so it doesnt have to do as much with the same controller. The Move controllers have a different control scheme, so you use them differently, but to my knowledge there isnt anything the Moves can do that the DS4 can't. There are probably some things that are EASIER to do with the Moves, however I personally find the Moves to be NOT as good as the DS4 at some things as well. My only real complaint is imp drift, and you'd think they'd have that fixed by now.
@@LucidStew I was thinking you would mention it not being fully 3D, which shows an amount of intelligence. You know the right questions to ask my friend when analyzing the core of an issue.
@@luxcyfer3271 Thanks, I appreciate that! I'm familiar with and have used other 3D environments, and I can appreciate the difficultly of properly mapping those requirements to a console controller. And I know some people don't want to hear this, but I'm a motion controls advocate! I think the use of the gyro does ADD to the control scheme. However, I know(and its from experience) there IS a really frustrating learning curve before comfort with the gyro kicks in. I can fully appreciate people who dont want to deal it with it, but being on the other side I think I also understand the design decision to use that gyro in the control scheme. That said, I far as I know, they're still working on a control scheme without it.
Not with the DS4. The camera is used with the Moves controllers, and you can also use it to record sound. However, you can also use other devices like USB mics to record sound.
Not yet. This was a big complaint during the beta and the EA. Mm have said they're working on a non-motion scheme. no word if it will be ready at launch.
Good video, but I don’t understand why you are using the word “Depressed” in context of the word “Pressed”. Seems like common sense that Pressed is the correct word and Depressed means something entirely different? Oh well.
Jesus your argument in favor of the motion controls seemed pretty weak. Especially when you proceed to barely be able to paint the surface of the object. After messing around with the game it doesn't appear that you are even able to attach objects to other objects easily. There have been so many times I wish I could just select two things and combine them on the fly. Or I wish I could place flat textures on objects without having to finagle with the motion controls and zoom in very slow to align it perfectly. A "real" stamp function would have been really really nice.
I wasn't surface snapped. You have to keep in mind I streamed this, so it's not like it was according to plan second-to-second. You can attach objects by grouping them and then dealing with the group. Surface snap will get you flat textures on surfaces. You can also turn the motion controls off now.
Also... I must say that this is NOT A SANDBOX STYLE CREATIVE GAME. Anyone wanting to create just a large world that they can play around in similar to Disney Infinity, Minecreaft or Portal Knights... this is not for you. The videos for this "game" have been very misleading across the board. This is an artistic computer style program. Most of the creations you have been seeing are also made by professionals or Media Molecule people. Very misleading. I unfortunately do not see this game taking off at this point. Tedious, exhausting and not really for the average "gamer".
I dont agree with you there on it being misleading. I think very specifically they've promoted the simpler aspects of it, hence all the 10 minute and one hour build videos. If its not made by them, its very seldom made by a professional. The people in the community just have talent and are working hard. I know from Project Spark that people think they're going to use something like this to make a real game in a day, but no one ever told them its possible. And no one reasonable would think that 1 person COULD do the work of 50, and do it 500 times faster. The other thing is, you have to give Mm and the community time to make things that will make it easier for the "average gamer". Those don't happen overnight either. What is an average gamer anyway? Lots of people are creative and want to express themselves. It's like saying painting or musical instruments arent for the average gamer. I just watched someone on stream try to make a tire swing for a tree for 2 hours. Now you might focus on it taking so long, but what I saw is that even after 2 hours, she still wanted to spend more time on it to get it to look right.
@@LucidStew well... agree to disagree I guess. They are promoting as a sandbox game. I have seen it. And it is not that. It should not even be promoted as a "game". Do not get me wrong, I think the possibilities are there, but releasing something akin to a computer style program and then having people who literally work in similar fields using it to make pictures and such and then saying "WOW... look what you can do in this game!"... is a bit misleading. I am only saying that people who buy this with the belief that it is a "game" are going to grow tired of it quickly. I am enjoying the early access, and I consider myself a creative person, but you cannot possibly think that the control setup at this point is even remotely user friendly??
@@samwisethebrave288 I think that largely depends on how well we're able to support it and make it easier for people to use. I'm working on it. Everything I make is public, remixable, and I make it from a standpoint of others using it as easily as possible. Just like anything else, I'll get better at that with time, so probably none of us who are doing that are great at it yet. I don't disagree about the controls, but I think there is also only so much you can do. I think if they can fix the motion controls and pair down the options a bit, they will function much better. I know people will not use it because it's frustrating or too difficult. You can say that about anything. We don't need everyone who buys the game to be Disarmed or BigSurf. There are roles in the community that dont require much artisitic talent, including just enjoying playing the things that other people make.
@@LucidStew Two months later, I have to say that I have not even played it in about a month and a half. Quite frankly.... it is a bore. The things people are creating are for the most part just insipid garbage. How many creations of "Sonic the Hedgehog" do we really need?? And no more "Legend of Zelda", please!! Not to mention that Media Molecule is actively "moderating" everything that does not meet with their politcal or socials views. What the hell is up with that? This "game" is already dead.
ATTN: It should be noted that this video was produced before launch, and that there is a non-motion control scheme available now in preferences for those that don't find this scheme a good fit.
Remember, WIRSTS, not arms. It makes so much of a difference on how you move the controller as much as changing the settings.
The learning gap seems so vast, it is kinda of intimidating, however I've been suffering from carpal tunnel from work for a while now and it has screwed up my gaming. I'll keep at it - I want to create some cool stuff too!
Definitely not something that will be mastered overnight. I'd say it was about 3 months until I really felt comfortable with the tools. Like anything, I'm still improving as I continue to practice after a year.
The Move controllers have potential in VR, if and when it comes... the dualshock is much easier despite some minor drawbacks. Overall, the controls could use some tweaking, for sure.
Yes, I agree. I plan to give the Moves another shot when VR is available. I've come to the conclusion that controls on the DS4 would actually work better with some button combinations disabled. In the video I talk about not touching the sticks with R2 pressed. If you remove the functionality completely, you lose nothing except confusion.
Easiest solution = mouse keyboard
Or add analogue for imp
VR is coming this week
First off good video it does explain how confusing the the controls are in dreams and I'm used to digital sculpting in zbrush I think media molecule needs to use the touchpad on the DS4 as a mouse type input use your thumb as a mouse to navigate like you would in zbrush zoom in zoom out can be done with one stick while rotation can be done on the other stick. The shoulder buttons can continue to access specific rotation and move functions and the motion controls can be used 4 Quick moves and some precision but I think they're onto something but he's just not refined enough dreams is amazing this is not a game this is actually a program something similar 2 what developers are sort of used to this is a excellent entry point for anyone looking to get into World building 3D sculpting and all sorts of other things I think media molecule made a hit
The touchpad in general is underutilized, and I think you're right that they could find a good use of it. I'm not sure why they havent. As far as I know, they've been working on a control scheme minus motion controls, so maybe that scheme uses the pad?
I wish they would add a dummy mode for dreams it'd way to overbearing for me I wish they would dumb it down when u want to create something but good vid though I really hope they add anlog controls soon I can't get used to the motion controls
Really hope they add an option to turn it off completely.. Motion controls suck and especially when u want to lay down
Apparently they're working on it.
@@LucidStew I hope so because I'm not touching the game anymore till they do
@Kodak Black exactly, don't waste your money if they don't fix it.. I literally deleted the game and I won't download until I know they fixed that shit
@@Kujer708 Yeah, I dont really get that, but to each their own.
@Kodak Black you can just turn imp sensitivity down to 1 like in the video if it bugs you that much.
Perhaps change the video title to include DS4? Then when people find this video by search, link, or playlist, they know right-off which controls it covers
Done. Thanks for suggestion.
This is actually pretty helpful to me, so thanks for making it. But I found the controller being mirrored to be kind of confusing. Maybe flip it upside-down instead, if you make more videos like this.
You're welcome. Probably wont be more like this, but thanks for the feedback. Caused me to learn how to do this. Honestly, it's kind of odd every way you do it.
Very useful video Stew, but the fact that the video image of your hands is reversed dosen't help beginners much. You say R2 and on the video of your hands we see L2.
I bought thw motion move control sticks but it doesnt work.
I figured i need the ps4 camera.
Do you know if its true? And do you thinks the Motion Move Controls are äny good for dreams?
yep, you need the camera to track the lights on the tips of the controllers. I have them, but prefer the DS4.
Why ist your menu on the imp? I cant find a setting for this and i doubt it has something to do with the playstation move controllers wich i dont have :(
I tried to make a game where you steer via the motion controls, but I ran into so many problems…
Interesting. I never tried that. What kind of problems did you have?
@@LucidStew Have you heard of an old game called Flower for PS3 and PS4? It’s very relaxing. You basically guide the wind by rotating the controller. (Not like a steering wheel, but with the other two axis.) I’ve got a concept for a big spin-off game, but I just can’t get the controller to react properly. (Plus I’m having difficulties with the camera.)
Hey Lucid, Thanks for the great work as always. Wanted to ask, ~6 months later, do you still consider your recommendations in this video, like not using sticks when grabbing with R2, etc, to be best practices, or has your opinion changed, and if so, what is your current view please?
Yes, I would still avoid that. Personal opinion is that they should remove that functionality. It's redundant and confusing. Instead of whatever R2 + sticks does, I would use R1 + sticks or L2 + sticks in its place. What you dont see me do in this video that I would recommend is getting used to using R2 with your middle fingers, and R1 with your index. Doesnt relate to motion controls, but you'll find a lot instances where you'll want to lock the camera and rotate around a spot so you can see the other side of something without moving it. Another thing I don't show in this video is using motion controls with surface snap on. The two combined are a major, major sculpting and spraypainting tool, and one of things that make the motion controls very important.
@@LucidStew Hey didn't even think you would see my comment, thanks for responding. I'll keep that in mind.
I was thinking about this while doing some work today, and this is situational. If you're freely grabbing things that you don't want to move, you want to avoid R2. R2 is necessary for copying R2+L1, and if you want to move the copy before you complete it, you have to release L1 and hold R2. So you really NEED to use the stick with R@ for this, BUT, if you rotate the camera while doing that, you rotate the object, which is often undesireable for various reasons. For this reason, you want your index free to hold R1, which will lock the camera, like I was talking about in the other comment. So, can't say DONT use R2 and stick, because absolutely must sometimes
We need more tutorials like this that break down smaller pieces of the dreams tools. You might consider having a few more objects in the scene so that we can tell how they are moving relative to each other. Other than that this video was very useful
I think part of it is the general lack of documentation. You're never really sure if you know everything about a subject. Just learned tonight that double-tap on X in edit selects all sculpts.
Hello lucid ive tried to lineup a cylinder and a donut shape even to where the donut is even with the cylinder on top of it.Ive the grid snap and tried different settings no luck.Got any ideas
When you make the cylinder, make sure its sized so that each end is touching a grid dot. With the grid still on, make a donut sculpt, but bring the shape editor up first. The donut diamater is slightly smaller than the cylinder, but you can edit the donut to make them the same. If you're doing it with regular(1) grid snap, it will basically do it automatically when you touch it. I think this is due to a bug in the editor, but that's how I did it.
@@LucidStew You can also make sure the cylinder is on grid, then set the grid to be from the cylinder, align the donut to it.
You should have turned on the Floor in the Guides menu. It would have helped while going through all those motions.
Thanks for the feedback
Does anyone else experience 6axis drift towards the left? My controller could be sitting on a table and it'll drift to the left on it's own.
If you recenter on a level surface, leave it there, it still drifts, and that happens consistently, I'd guess there's an issue with the controller. Occasionally my imp will get so out of wack that only a restart of Dreams will fix it, but that's pretty unusual.
@@LucidStew I mean I've taken my controller apart, replaced batteries and cleaned up with compressed air my right analog stick which had drift and it fixed it but I can't seem to find anything to solve this issue..
I start up dreams then leave my controller laying flat on my nightstand and it still drifts ever so slightly to the left.. I might need to take it apart again and take a better look at the motherboard of the controller
I can't find a single TH-cam video that talks about this problem and honestly it's not even noticeable on other games just dreams for some reason
I'd hate to buy a whole other controller for just one game especially since the ps5 is already out
@@HumbertoHacked Just from talking about it over the past 2 years, it seems some people have a lot of trouble with it, and others have none, so it might be that tiny inconsistencies in controller manufacture might make a big difference. It may also matter how you hold it. Because of the way I have things set up, when I play I am sitting upright and I hold the controller down by my knees under a desk. This seems to cause me more trouble than when I used to have my PS4 in the living room and played it on a couch in a more traditional console gaming posture.
Hey, Stew!
I think people suggesting turning imp sensitivity way down are intending to just have the imp be stuck to the middle of the screen and using the sticks to move around entirely, so they don't use the motion controls at all. Definitely not my thing, but it might help some people.
So confused by that flipped camera halfway through XD
That's weird about the yaw/roll thing. Didn't notice that before. I've now logged it on indreams.me. feedback.indreams.me/forums/917431-dreams-bugs/suggestions/37468243-l2-motion-controls-yaw-and-roll-don-t-match-the-co
I get why people suggest turning it off, essentially, but this is a wrong move because it completely handicaps sculpting. If someone learns that way and then never unlearns it, they've made sculpting and painting 20 times harder for themselves just because they refused to put a little effort in.
I love this game but the controls are bad, i wish you didn't have to swing your arms around to create
Once you get used to the motion controls, you move your hands a lot less. It took me about 6 weeks to get to that point.
I know this is late but you don’t have to swing your arms just use your wrist.You have to get used to moving optimally otherwise it wouldn’t be convenient.
This would of been much better with the controller cam flipped upside down! thanks though very helpful
I love media molecule but the controls are a piece of ****. Absolutely horrendous. Im looking for precision AND speed. I move my joystick, the imp and object moves away from me at the same time as it moves in 3dimentions. What. And the motion control is like an extra way to decrease the precision while moving the object while I'm trying to move it in other dimensions. If grid snap is the only option im going to go crazy turning it off an on off and on just for doing organic things and back to structure building. LBP had waaaay batter controls guys.
AND when I move the imp around, from its center it has this big swing and I can't position without having to grab and object. I watched the creators of thr game use the actual wands and they were doing some weird stuff to move the objects around and imp and simultaneously like they were trying to use a mouse. I feel like im using a mouse too. What the heck is this.
Well, LBP wasnt a fully 3D editor, so it doesnt have to do as much with the same controller. The Move controllers have a different control scheme, so you use them differently, but to my knowledge there isnt anything the Moves can do that the DS4 can't. There are probably some things that are EASIER to do with the Moves, however I personally find the Moves to be NOT as good as the DS4 at some things as well. My only real complaint is imp drift, and you'd think they'd have that fixed by now.
@@LucidStew I was thinking you would mention it not being fully 3D, which shows an amount of intelligence. You know the right questions to ask my friend when analyzing the core of an issue.
@@luxcyfer3271 Thanks, I appreciate that! I'm familiar with and have used other 3D environments, and I can appreciate the difficultly of properly mapping those requirements to a console controller. And I know some people don't want to hear this, but I'm a motion controls advocate! I think the use of the gyro does ADD to the control scheme. However, I know(and its from experience) there IS a really frustrating learning curve before comfort with the gyro kicks in. I can fully appreciate people who dont want to deal it with it, but being on the other side I think I also understand the design decision to use that gyro in the control scheme. That said, I far as I know, they're still working on a control scheme without it.
@@LucidStew Well then. I may break down and buy two wands I guess
Hey lucid do u know how to make the text animate like type on it’s own
No, I havent messed with text animation yet, sorry.
Lucid Stew dang I can’t seem to figure it out also check out my published stuff @drinkwater200
Do I need ps camera?
Not with the DS4. The camera is used with the Moves controllers, and you can also use it to record sound. However, you can also use other devices like USB mics to record sound.
@@LucidStew Tanks！
Is there anyway to turn the motion control off? It’s really hard to use.
Not yet. This was a big complaint during the beta and the EA. Mm have said they're working on a non-motion scheme. no word if it will be ready at launch.
Lucid Stew Thanks for replying!
@@indigo9738 You're welcome. And btw, they just released info that there WILL be a non-motion control scheme available at launch!
Lucid Stew Awesome!
Good video, but I don’t understand why you are using the word “Depressed” in context of the word “Pressed”. Seems like common sense that Pressed is the correct word and Depressed means something entirely different? Oh well.
I prefer the DS4.
I do as well.
Yeahhhh I'm gonna wait until there's motionless control
Bic Boi they added none motion controls now
Jesus your argument in favor of the motion controls seemed pretty weak. Especially when you proceed to barely be able to paint the surface of the object. After messing around with the game it doesn't appear that you are even able to attach objects to other objects easily. There have been so many times I wish I could just select two things and combine them on the fly. Or I wish I could place flat textures on objects without having to finagle with the motion controls and zoom in very slow to align it perfectly. A "real" stamp function would have been really really nice.
I wasn't surface snapped. You have to keep in mind I streamed this, so it's not like it was according to plan second-to-second. You can attach objects by grouping them and then dealing with the group. Surface snap will get you flat textures on surfaces. You can also turn the motion controls off now.
Also... I must say that this is NOT A SANDBOX STYLE CREATIVE GAME. Anyone wanting to create just a large world that they can play around in similar to Disney Infinity, Minecreaft or Portal Knights... this is not for you. The videos for this "game" have been very misleading across the board. This is an artistic computer style program. Most of the creations you have been seeing are also made by professionals or Media Molecule people. Very misleading. I unfortunately do not see this game taking off at this point. Tedious, exhausting and not really for the average "gamer".
I dont agree with you there on it being misleading. I think very specifically they've promoted the simpler aspects of it, hence all the 10 minute and one hour build videos. If its not made by them, its very seldom made by a professional. The people in the community just have talent and are working hard. I know from Project Spark that people think they're going to use something like this to make a real game in a day, but no one ever told them its possible. And no one reasonable would think that 1 person COULD do the work of 50, and do it 500 times faster. The other thing is, you have to give Mm and the community time to make things that will make it easier for the "average gamer". Those don't happen overnight either. What is an average gamer anyway? Lots of people are creative and want to express themselves. It's like saying painting or musical instruments arent for the average gamer. I just watched someone on stream try to make a tire swing for a tree for 2 hours. Now you might focus on it taking so long, but what I saw is that even after 2 hours, she still wanted to spend more time on it to get it to look right.
@@LucidStew well... agree to disagree I guess. They are promoting as a sandbox game. I have seen it. And it is not that. It should not even be promoted as a "game". Do not get me wrong, I think the possibilities are there, but releasing something akin to a computer style program and then having people who literally work in similar fields using it to make pictures and such and then saying "WOW... look what you can do in this game!"... is a bit misleading. I am only saying that people who buy this with the belief that it is a "game" are going to grow tired of it quickly. I am enjoying the early access, and I consider myself a creative person, but you cannot possibly think that the control setup at this point is even remotely user friendly??
@@samwisethebrave288 I think that largely depends on how well we're able to support it and make it easier for people to use. I'm working on it. Everything I make is public, remixable, and I make it from a standpoint of others using it as easily as possible. Just like anything else, I'll get better at that with time, so probably none of us who are doing that are great at it yet.
I don't disagree about the controls, but I think there is also only so much you can do. I think if they can fix the motion controls and pair down the options a bit, they will function much better. I know people will not use it because it's frustrating or too difficult. You can say that about anything. We don't need everyone who buys the game to be Disarmed or BigSurf. There are roles in the community that dont require much artisitic talent, including just enjoying playing the things that other people make.
@@LucidStew Two months later, I have to say that I have not even played it in about a month and a half. Quite frankly.... it is a bore. The things people are creating are for the most part just insipid garbage. How many creations of "Sonic the Hedgehog" do we really need?? And no more "Legend of Zelda", please!! Not to mention that Media Molecule is actively "moderating" everything that does not meet with their politcal or socials views. What the hell is up with that? This "game" is already dead.
@@samwisethebrave288 ok. I'm going to go back to having fun playing it. Have a nice life.
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