How to save a motorcycle rear wheel slide | Bike riding advice | Don't crash!
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- Chris Northover explains what to do if you lose grip on the rear wheel of a motorbike - how to avoid a crash!
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If you're interested in training locations, BMW Off Road Skills is one great option (and Chris teaches there). www.offroadskills.com/
Thanks for the link....
The cost of beginners course, travel costs, overnight accommodation & kit hire amount to near half the price paid for my bike. Not cost justifiable at the moment.
I will be mindful of the sensible tips in the video, (& try to recall limited off road skills learned riding on my friends farm 40 years ago).
I have been saved by slow reflexes many times.
This made me properly laugh out loud
Ikr! Just now when I was heading home at night my bike digged into a rut in the neighborhood I was in and then the rear tire rode the edge of the rut! But thanks to my slow reflexes I kept rolling on throttle and then the bike corrected itself, I was about to chop the throttle and grab the clutch! All on new Shinko 777s.
Slow reflexes are good. The bike doesn't like choppy movements, slow is fast..! 👍👍
Bwahahahaha!!!!!!
I resemble this comment, lol.
What are slow reflexes?
Dont shut off gas look thru the slide and giggle inside your helmet
Trouble with sliding the rear and giggling is you want to do it again, and eventually I'll get it wrong.
CosmoxYRik freudian slip there, I hope when you eventually get it wrong you get off with light scratches
This is actually good advice.
Absolutely love this video brah. Learned a few things about the slide. Thanks!
I had my first serious fishtail in wet weather last Friday. Didn't lose it thankfully - because I did exactly this. Saved my limbs and my bike.
Happened to me yesterday and I had no clue what to do , tapped the rest break and lost it
What I've learned during my racing days was "when in doubt throttle out" - that's saved me both on track and on public road many a times.
100% Saved me in the Dirt. And Once a Porcupine on 750 Shadow....
What does throttle out mean?
@@QueenSit gas it out thru the slide/turn
"It may not solve the problem, but it will end the suspense."
XD
Queen Sit exactly smh 🤦♀️. Everybody with all this crazy talk instead of making it simple to understand.
Or commute on a Hayabusa throughout winter. Plenty of slides to practice with!
CBR900RR with a rear tire that probably needed replacing a lot sooner than I did. Rode throughout the winter. I learned to respect, appreciate and control my bike; at least a little bit.
A no go for me here in finland
@@fiberoptic1 Iived in Helsinki for 7 months working in an Irish bar. Harsh winters there alright!
@@bobbybackmarker9665 and helsinki is the most southern city. In Oulu there is like 1m of snow
My first ever real slide was about two months ago on a trackday on the Dutch TT circuit of Assen. Knee on the tarmac in the 'Meeuwenmeer corner' going 220 kmh (136mph) through the full throttle corner feeling my rear wheel stepping out. I'm glad I didn't really respond to it, possibly saving me from a nice highsider. but damn my heart stopped for a second, then I giggled in my helmet and carried on. But that first time slide at that speed, it was frightning AF.
“Giggled in my helmet and carried on”
Me in a nutshell lol
Same thing happened to me but at the isle of man , except i was going 310 km and i was in full laughter during it sliding
The answer to everything... training training training, agreed.
Don't tense up. The bike has a tendency to right itself
I live in California, learned to ride on dirt bikes as a kid. Think it helps to be a better street rider, as you learn bike control and loose conditions
Exactly. I started riding dirt bikes at the age of 6. Been riding streets bikes in the last 20 years.
100% agree. Ya gotta get muddy in a paddock on some light p.o.s. you don't mind thrashing, to learn to recover control.
I got mine from having fun at sliding the rear tire when i was a kid on my bicycle. Eventually i adopted it to bigger bikes until it became an instinct. It came in handy when i got my own motorcycle and had a lot of skids but that hobby of mine saved me from panicking. And also got to handle dirt bikes as well. Especially from where i live. Bloody muddy trails all over the mountain. But its fun nonetheless when ur on a dirt bike.
Agree!
Same✍🏽
Slid my rear wheel on a public road, the same week after buying my first bike, by instinct I cornered well and regained traction. Cars behind me must have thought I'm showing off not knowing I almost shat myself. I've only been riding 2 months.
TheTsongaMan same here mate, turned a corner yesterday into a business lot & the damn gap coming into the lot was steeper than I though! Felt myself going down, right side, so I stomped my foot down and revved...made it, albeit shaky and angrily. LOL
Dude first week having a bike, came around a turn and a car was on my side of the road slammed the rear brake out of instinct and fishtailed it to the left then to the right then regained control prbly looked cool but I almost pissed myself and thought about selling the bike 😂
Watching this after doing a full 180 into a curb and bailing out lol, hope it'll go better next time.
I found my road skills improved heaps after getting a dual sport and going off road.
Absolutely one of the best training methods is to get off road. Great place to learn.
Young man you may have saved someone life with that and that may be me so thank you. From a old man on a motorcycle. Stay safe and enjoy the ride.
Great advice. I had my first rear wheel slide on my s1000r on a hot track day, where I hit a wet patch (seepage). it happened quickly but my slow brain recalled “do not shut the throttle” and “this bike has TC and other electrickery” - and it was fine - BMW brain sorted it and the little that my brain remembered saved the day. Will be enrolling on an off road course by the same track day people, which the quicker guys I chatted to said they had done and did wonders for their confidence and skills.
It's called drifting... Why is everyone acting like it's a bad thing? You blip the shit out of the throttle like anything else until you finish your drift. Faster blip, continue drift - slower blips regain traction.
It's a bad thing for most cause not everybody knows how to do it.
Also its a bad thing when you didnt expect or control that
What do you mean by blip? Like accelerate?
Blipping means a burst of "moar throttle".
But more throttle tends to mean the bike steps out more, so I would follow the advice of the video.
Queen Sit smh lol i see we both on alot of these comments trying to figure out all of this motorcycle lingo
Great video which reinforces the old notion that learning to ride in the dirt is the best way to learn how to ride on the pavement.
You forgot to mention the underwear swop after
“Have a go at it”. Excellent video, straight and to the point
Experienced this when turning right and going over the white strip on the tar road when wet. Those white dividing lines are bloody slippery and now I exercise caution around them during the wet season. Great vid and excellent info. Thank you!!
Best thing to do is keep calm. If you panic, you end up doing absolutly nothing, the right thing or the worst thing; it is just a dice. If you don't panic you have time to think about the whole situation and act properly.
If this happens in track, well, you are in track, you are suposed to know what you are doing, so you can control it if you haven't crossed the limit where it becomes a highside.
If this happens in the road and you didn't expect it, that means you have no control over the throttle or attention on the road surface.
Chris Northover is a legend. Love your work sir!
Thanks for sharing that information: it might save someone’s life and all that misery that comes with an accident.
Practiced doing it on a Bicycle when I was young. Really helped me out on the Motorcycle today.
Just saved a lowside today after locking up the rear mid curve. 1988 Honda nx250. Bike was angled and going down. I put my foot down and basically "walked" it out, more like 3 giant stomps and my ankle dragged a tiny bit. I was probably going into the curve at 35 locked up at 25. Went straight with the rear locked about 10' then it went sideways another 10'. Really glad I didn't go down
Most concise ans straight to the point how to avoid a high side crash. Thank you!
I strongly believe everyone should learn & practice drifting their land vehicle, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, so when it slides unwantedly, you know how to recover.
You are so correct, training is key,thanks a lot for your knowledge and experience in riding
Good advice! Never know when it is going to be needed, thank you 👍
1:42 You said it really well! Practice is required. Great video!
If everyone rode a dirt or off road bike for the first 6 months or more of riding, NEWBIE accidents would drop by 90 percent or more.
My girlfriend is 62, just finished the MOTORCYCLE SAFETY FOUNDATION course and I got her a DUAL SPORT SUZUKI DR200ES, which is in fact thee same bike the MSF used for years to train new riders. The best ROAD riders, rode first in the DIRT, FACT NOT OPINION. On a positive note, thanks for the video. Nice job.
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There is so much truth to this statement. Riding / driving on loose ground prepares you.
I'm a newbie, and love sportbikes, but I know they don't make good first bikes. Would you say a dual sport first, sportbike second be a good idea?
Before watching this I'll tell you how I saved my slide.
Back learning on my mc22 and screwing around making the tyre spin in the rain turned out to be good practice. Back end came out entering a fast road, turned into it and held it on, drifted nearly into the gutter till I could straighten enough to let off.
Scary but fun
Well explained!! I've learned something I needed today... Thanks from NZ :)
Great video! I am a new rider so soaking every bit of help I can get 👍
This happened to me today, round a corner and my back end fish tailed. Back end of my Harley went out, I immediately reacted, rolled off the throttle and it corrected but HOLY MOLY!!
First time I experienced a rear wheel slide from overpowering grip was in the wet, was a week into my first bike, and when I felt the tire spool up, without hesitation or panic, I kept the throttle open, countersteered, got it lined back up and the bike wheelied when it came back into traction. I'm not 100% sure why or how I knew to do that, but, I've delt with far higher speed slides with much the same confidence. I have a lot of experience on smaller and far less powerful bikes, so I'm guessing that experience is what programmed that into me.
Solid advice thank you. So glad you didn’t try to teach the impossible with words. You have to do it you can start on a bmx 🤓
Everything you just said I could not agree more. You have a lot of people that are new to Riding that think their experts. Back in the late '80s and early '90s when I moved up to a sports bike a large group of us went up to the Poconos to take riding lessons. Just like you said when you practice you want to be on something I hate to use the word cheap but basically that. They were EX500 that they used to use at the racing school. Once you finish one part of the course of training they eventually moved you up to where you can use whatever you brought with you or stick to one of their bikes. Not too long ago my back tire broke loose on my Harley and even though it's been a lot of years since I was on a racetrack I just compensated without even giving it a single thought. My body knew what to do before my brain. All my friends behind me told me when we had stopped at the next red light that they thought for sure I was going down. It turned out it was diesel fuel or oil on the road and I just hit that perfect spot to lose traction.
I enjoy watching your videos look forward to watching more.
O I know that feeling lol. The first time was heart stopping but now it's second nature.
Had a few over the years. Took some advice years ago about what to do and it's saved me since (except once when the bike did a full 180).
What do you do to save a slide
@@teunlll very little. Too much of a reaction tends to make things a lot worse. Plus focus on the exit you want to take.
I came in too fast into a center median/ turn around on a highway. kind of panicked and locked my rear wheel braking so hard. I got into a low side and ended up breaking my leg pretty bad. Had I caught traction again I could have quite possibly been thrown into oncoming traffic instead of sliding into the center median. It was by complete accident that I did this but i feel it saved my life.
Have you seen A Twist of the Wrist II? Highly recommended viewing.
My instinctive reaction to the rear wheel starting to lose grip is to reduce the lean angle, has worked every time so far, but I've never properly lost grip, or at least never skidded more than an inch or two sideways before catching it. I keep the throttle steady.
Thanks for life saving riding tip!
Chis is the most entertaining and informative person in motorcycling right now. Fun to watch and educational. And the other test guy is great (don't remember the name).
wish i learned this when i slipped on a blind water patch in a curved tunnel... would have saved me a broken collarbone, 6 broken ribs, and a lacerated lung..
Nailed it. When my G/F decided she wanted a bike I put her on a trailie specifically so she could learn how to handle loss of traction, she is very precious to me.. Now fully licenced she has no issues with slides on gravel or wet roads. Been a long time since she soiled her knickers.
Started out on a Yamaha YZF 750R in 1993 and did not get a car drivers license till 1996, plenty of wet, winter rides, with lots of slides. The worst ones though are the ones where you don't lose grip because you give too much throttle but the ones where you lose grip on a tiny slippery patch only for your tire to slide onto non slippery part of road surface instantly loading the spring. I have ended up sitting on top of my gas tank like that on 2 occasions.
Very interesting vid, you need to have Chris on more often. Think I've seen him deliberately crash an MT10 just to see how well the crash protection worked, felt genuinely sorry for the bike.
Slow reaction saved me once few weeks ago. I was trained at track just with car - with motorbike not much experience but I slowly put the gas down and I felt my rear wheel was at 30-35 degrees, really a lot near to point where nothing could help 😬😁
Thanks for your lesson 👍
Fantastic video! Thanks so much!
A blizzard struck my country out of nowhere, everything is frozen. This helped, thanks!
Yep, I did that with my ER-6N in a turn at more or less 40km/h. Started going on my right and I think I shut the gas slightly. Might have been the training in gymkhana motorcycle, because in a turn if you want to be straight again, you just have to slow down
Good advice thanks.
Great advice!
I accelerated a bit too quickly out of a corner with poor road surface on my Street Triple 765 and the rear stepped out. TC cut in repeatedly, but my arse was so tightly clenched, that it had sapped all my strength and fortitude, thus I did not send any motor coordination to my right hand to slowly reduce the throttle. Kept it pinned at about 70% or so while my brain struggled to process the whole thing. I could feel the TC calling me a knob as it repeatedly cut in to try stop the rear from stepping out too far, as I sat there, with my hole puckered and my throttle wide open 🥲🤣
Early morning to work. It was around freezing and I'm on a supermoto with slicks. I laughed my balls off drifting around turns at 5mph
even my mt15 suffer from this. very often with that damned stock tires in rain. glad I've found this video.
Very informative content 👍
Again good throttle control saves the day.
Maybe im mental but i never learnt slides and the first time i had a slide it didnt scare me at all, i just carried on with the gas and it got grip again. Best advice, and hard advice to take in is, dont get scared, dont come off the gas and dont bloody brake
Good video. If you have to think about it, you're too late and on the ground. Get a dirt bike. It will ingrain rolling the throttle on slightly when a slide occurs. I find that most of us start riding street bikes, but the dirt bike skills are what save your butt in unusual situations.
Happened the first time today from 1 week of first time riding, somehow instinctively manage to save it.
Great Information
Happened to me a few times now. The first two times on my Daytona (no electronics) and I dont recognize what saved me at that time. I did manage to "catch" the bike somehow...subconsciously I guess. But with that explanation it seems clearer what I did on the bike. ;)
mbtfp skill natural selection 😎
Times like this i feel having owned a few supermotos in the past helps
I did slide with two tires at the same time once in a corner, on little rocks..was crazy, it was a really balanced slide, got some grip again and rode away
dam exact thing happen to me this morning exact thing exact outcome also was some hairy shit for a couple seconds tho lol 😆
@@wolfpacak47 its over before you realize it. Glad you stayed on top of it :)
Thank you very much!
Most important thing beside these techniques is control/manage our panic.
eas of brakes or the throttle.dont panic.sometimg l go out my way so the back end dose come lose.so if it dose happens l know what to. people can watch has many video about this .u have to go out an doing yourself or your never know how gonna feel in real life. but l do appreciate the video keep up the good work
My years of dirt bike riding saved me once.
Staying on the throttle while the back tire slid on a turn today saved my a**. Turned traction control back on after that lol
6 months riding. Do it all the time. High sided once, rolled twice, jumped up like spider man
Dude if you’re done that in only 6 months you’re looking at an early grave
I’ve been riding 11 years only incident was high side cus I hit a speed bump at 40 thinking I was Marquez, first 6 months as rider
Alberto J. Mollinedo why be negative and try to speak that into existence smh. Its power and death in the tongue... aka watch what you say because you can speak it and make it happen
Do everything smoothly all the time and you have a better chance, getting on the gas or the brakes progressively gives you the feel for when things are going loose. But diesel on the road means all bets are off.
Nice Info.....
I have Yamaha Tricity and jusf as i was thinking of that saw the Yamaha Niken pop up🤣. Totally unexpected, won my respect!
Perfect bike to demo this on.. if there’s any bike that would slide out unforgivingly it’s that mental MT09
could have used this a little earlier, but ty.. will forever be missing my bike
I do this althe time lol. Now it's just something fun to do. I slowly ease off the gas until I have traction again.
I slide a lot with my bike, usually I don't realize I slid until I close the throttle again and feel the tire gripping again. It's surprisingly easy imo
that is very useful
TY :D
Great vid, thanks. When the back end starts to go, does it increase the load on the front tyre?
Slightly drag the rear brake. When you are in a corner and you open up the throttle, slightly lean on the rear brake and you will equilise the engine torque on the rear wheel. Because the power comes in impulses from the pistons, that makes your rear wheel to lose grip earlier. But if you level out those torque spikes, you will find new grip levels. I did it on the track and on the street. Cheers !
More applicable for inline 4 eng8nes
A few months ago I was pulling out of a parking lot when it was cold out with cold tires. The rear wheel slid way out, I kept on the gas, knowing it would correct, which it did, but WAY too far. The rear tire then slid out the OTHER direction, at this point I did flinch a little bit and let off some gas. This is when I got traction again and I then high-sided. My right hand finger's were in the way of the handlebars when they hit the pavement. It shredded my gloves and it wasn't very pretty. A minor injury. One slide, I'm good with, but that second one really threw me off and I wasn't prepared for that lol
I ride an Electra Glide and I was waiting for the roads to dry up this morning and then went out. As I headed a little higher into the mountains, the roads were wetter than by my house but were still drying up. Then at a point, the entire pavement surface was renewed. This would be great in the dry I suppose, but this surface seemed to keep the moisture on top. As I negotiated a right hand sweeper, I made sure not to use the brakes and pushed the bike down, keeping a steady track. Then all of a sudden, the rear tire stepped out, I heard some hard part scrape the ground. I saw the headlights of a car that I knew was behind me, and I saw him move to the shoulder. Then the bike came back up, wobbling a bit but not scary. And that was it! My heart was not pounding and I continued my ride, a little wiser. I wish I could tell you what great technique I used, but I can't. I have no idea. I wanted to stop and ask the guy behind me what he might have seen, but I didn't do that either. The bike is over 900 lbs. and I'm just grateful that I didn't wreck. I think if I went down, I may have slid into oncoming traffic that was there. As I said, the bike never left the center of the lane. Importantly, I replace the rear tire in May, so it may have been worse if I hadn't.
So glad you're okay! The Electra Glide I last rode had a box section of steel running across the bottom of the chassis - that can touch down early and lift the rear tyre. I wouldn't be surprised if you had a look under the machine and saw some scrape marks there. All the best, John
@@bennettsbikesocial I appreciate your comment. This isn't the typical bike on your channel but every once in a while it'll remind you that you're on two wheels! In this case, the road was barley wet enough to produce road spray, but this surface was very fresh and I think there was sealer on it that kept the moisture on top. Thanks for your great video.
Each bike is different. You need to develop instinctive feel for the torque level at that rpm range when you correct. That's why high HP/low torque track bikes (R6) that have weaker low-end are easier to at the cornering limit - cracking the throttle in the upper mid-range doesn't hi-torque the tire into a slide. Like the dude says - get a trail bike with lousy tires and slide it ez in a short loop until you can do it in your sleep - go both ways around.
I'd like to think that a quick clutch pull saved me from a high degree high-side on Yamaha FZR 1000 on a wet road once. Nearly flying off the bike amid oncoming traffic was a learning experience like no other.
What it taught me? Sold my Fazer and bought a Vulcan. :D
I was riding a little 125cc honda on the street, there was a patch of sand on an intersection as I was turning left, and on the right side there was a parked truck. I learned to drift cars and my reaction at that time was to drop a gear and throttle out, I saved it... but now that I think of it if I was on a bigger bike i would probably ended inside of it
Lmao, I did this today, and I dunno what came over me today, but my mindset was just like, well I'll just keep it throttled until I get traction. And I kept it together
Because of the lack of money I haven't changed my rear tire yet. Today; first rain of the season. Was out on lunch break coming around the corner fairly slow about 50Ks but rear tire in super bad condition plus chinese brand. rear tire came around. instinctively I did the right thing which I cant quite remember anymore, it was just reaction. I did feather the rear break a little and held the gas I think. Naked tourer, really lucky... Thanks for the advice ill keep that in mind on my way home and tomorrow ill get some michelins
Top work - glad you're okay! Cheers, John
I had a dream yesterday... So just wanted to learn
That winter when I hit that residual patch of sand (from the last snow) while I was on throttle and the rear end came way forward I broke my leg beneath the knee in both bones in an instant. I'm no wild rider. But if you ride after a snow has melted well don't ride like you normally do.
Paxwallacejazz, If you are going down, keep both feet on the foot pegs. Keeps knees and legs tight against the motorcycle. The motorcycle should keep the legs protected. I once slide over 100 feet on my side without injury. Putting your feet out to try to catch the fall can easily result in broken leg, foot or ankle. However landing on the shoulder can easily result in a broken collar bone. So avoid acceleration or braking during a turn especially on bad pavement.
After nearly 100,000 kms of riding, I finally had my first rear slide that brought me down. A very sore hip late and after 3 weeks I am getting my mojo back, but slowly. Just recently I went out and looked at how I'm braking with the rear and though the surface was not wet, it did tend to slide a few times so I was thinking if it can also be a mechanical issue that causes this. My cruiser has front disk brakes and drum rear brake.
After having a set pilot road 4 to having a just worn in battleaxe 028 my rear started sliding in the summer rain we’ve been having, one road in particular keep having me sideways every time i’d leave the roundabout or go to overtake miss daisy.. every time i just maintained the throttle and just forced my arse down towards the outside rear of the bike. Dunno if thats the advice you’d give or condone.
also I’m lucky that the first time it happened was in a straight line, i was trying to diagnose myself thinking i was pulling the clutch without thinking whilst accelerating!
My bike slides in the wet all the time but I used to drift my car so it helps me to know not to do certain things and just ride it out
This happened to me yesterday when the roads were wet from sprinkling and my rear tire slid out while I was cornering at around 50 mph. Keep in mind that this was my first motorcycle (Yamaha Bolt C-Spec) and I’ve been riding for 1.5 weeks. I was saved when I eased off the throttle gave it some gas. Scariest experience ever because there were cars behind me
So glad you're okay! Cheers, John
Hats off if this is him just talkin in explaining out of knowledge he's on point or whoever wrote it to explain it my hat's off to them it's the little details behind what he say
Suggestions on where to train that kind of thing specifically would be great.
BMW Off Road Skills is just one option - Chris is an instructor there: www.offroadskills.com/
When i loose it, i never felt for the moment, maybe because i like racing it helps ? Its seems i shut the gas but in reality i think i dont have time to cut the gas and the traction is back so i keep it 10% 20%... damn the greasy roundabound or crosswalks
Buy a Maxxis rear tyre. You'll get plenty of practice
you can also pull the clutch in.
the wheel will align itself, when the tire regains grip
Nope wouldnt do that. Always be gentle. Cutting the throttle is as bad as pulling the clutch. Just ride that slide out like a real man.
I've saved a slide twice by clutch in. There's no engine braking going on so it's very similar force wise to keeping an even throttle. Imho lot easier to do in a panic as well.
I've hit oil on down hill runs and clutched in and skied along and passed through ..cars breaking loose on ice same wheels match road speed with clutch in ...or Nuetral works ,tire quits breaking loose .but I don't consider my self to be an expert and would like to improve my abilities