Condemned Prisoner Holds Breath During New Execution Method | Kenneth Eugene Smith Case Analysis
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You failed to mention one thing in your analysis. Had he not murdered an innocent woman in cold blood he would never have been in this position to begin with. I'd be willing to bet he didn't suffer nearly as much as his innocent victim did.
That's not a valid argument
@@dovidstaples9985 Says you. Everyone has their own definition of "valid".
@@dovidstaples9985 how so? lol
Exactly.
Agree.
the real injustice is that he got to breath 36 years before they carried out a just sentence.
Whatever happened to the firing squad?
*breathe
@svenhoek It was eliminated. However, Ronnie Lee Gardner was executed by firing squad in Utah in 2010.
Yes.
What an inhumane statement
He murdered someone for money. He was sentenced to death. He lived over 30 years longer than the woman he murdered. I have no concern for that Criminal It seems the news media gives him so much attention but only slightly about the Victim. His last words were non-apologetic victim-playing. It's really not fair to that Lady that was killed. I’m not concerned.
Amen!
I also generally don’t have strong feelings on the death penalty either way, but it’s hard to have any real sympathy for someone who did that to an innocent woman and got to live a lot longer than her. Life owed him some suffering.
I agree!
Some of us are interested in justice, not revenge.
Some of us try to be better than murderers. But hey you do you I guess lol
Mr. Smith went into the home with an accomplice under the guise of looking over the ptoperty. He then beat, tortured and killed a defenseless woman he didn't even know. I wonder how long it took Elizabeth to die and did she suffer? I do not see the problem
My thought! The audacity of this man talking about "a step back in humanity" after he killed a defenseless, innocent woman for financial gain. He deserves no sympathy from me.
Well she was also stabbed in the neck twice. If they got her jugular and carotid she wouldn't be dead in less than the 28 minutes it to this prisoner. He'll botched hangings at Nuremberg only went for 14 minutes.
Liberal tears for the brutal murderer and zero concern for the victims...that's Liberalism in a nutshell.
Thinking the same thing.
We do need to aim for being humane and civilized when it comes to any form of punishment including execution, but when thinking about "fairness" this asshole was treated more than fairly.
He probably had more invested into him than some of our best students in regards to education.
He probably received better medical Care throughout his time in prison than most law-abiding hard-working citizens receive
same
He's dead, so it worked. I'm sure Elizabeth was thrashing around, trying to breath during the horrific method he used to execute her. He was the last person to give a speech on the state of humanity. He didn't care about it when he was committing murder, but now that it's his turn to die at the hands of another, he is righteous all of a sudden. 🙄
I agree, but I disagree.
State uses death penalty as punishment and deterrent not revenge.
@@kapilsethia9284The death penalty doesn’t deter crime, though. I’m sure people feel better about criminals out on the streets when they see a guy get the electric chair but it doesn’t do anything about all the other crimes that don’t fall under capital punishment. Most murders are committed in the heat of the moment. A person willing to kill somebody probably isn’t thinking about the electric chair when they commit the crime.
Death penalty keeps the victims families from having to re-live the horrors every parole hearing for the rest of their lives.
@@waynemanning3262 That may be true, but arguably the extensive media coverage crimes get + true crime fanatics reaching out to make documentaries and videos does the same thing
The state “tortured” Smith by trying to start an IV. I bet that hurt a lot less than being stabbed with a six inch knife like he did to Elizabeth. Elizabeth struggled for her life too. No compassion here for this monster.
How casual and easy it is to forget about the victims in such cases.
I recently had a medical procedure and it took a couple of nurses multiple attempts to get an IV going in me. It was certainly unpleasant but far from what I would consider torture.
So true! Poor woman!
Was this the guy that is scheduled to meet his maker today?
@@GoodnightJLH Same here. The nurses poked me so many times that I verbally revoked consent for anyone who wasn't a doctor to do it. My doctor was scrubbing but another one came in and got the needle right on his first try.
While I was irritated & angered by the poking, it was far from inhumane, or torturous.
How long did the poor paster’s wife suffer while she was beat and bludgeoned to death in her own home?
Too long!
Are you a sadist?
@@amyhenningsgard8618 amen!
Right. I believe it was mentioned she died 2 hours after being at the hospital.
2 his plus however long it took to find her
that litteraly doesn't matter;
stay on the subject
“ he was struggling for his life …..” I bet his victim was too. Sorry I can’t seem to find any compassion. For someone who murdered an innocent woman in her home….
If you cant forgive those who trespass against you, should God forgive you for your tresspasses?
@@Jupiter1423 But no one knows if God forgave them or not until it's too late!
Also: Gods are obviously myths. It's time to grow up and put on some big boy/girl pants.
God rewards those who mete out justice. Treat others the way you want to be treated. @@Jupiter1423
@@heyjude1971 what are you talking about? All the evidence, science, and philosophy points towards the universe having a begining. If the universe were eternal then today would never have arrived. That taken with the fine tuning of the universe and existence of objective immaterial realities suggests the uncaused first caused mover is a spaceless, timeless, immaterial, personal, powerful, and intelligent being. If that data is cross referenced against the bible and the bible in fact can be analyzed such that its proper eye witness testimony that comports with the requirements of verifying other reliable ancient writings it is 100% reasonable, logical, and reasonable to conclude that being is the same as the one rose from the dead and walkef out of the tomb (jesus christ). So no, God is not a myth, we do know God is willing to forgive us in this life, we know that the death penalty is evil, and that as long as we are breathing it is never too late.
Good point
I’m a physician. A convulsion actually is a normal hypoxic response and the person would be unconscious during the convulsion and insensible for awhile afterward. Gasping respiration patterns just before death are often called agonal respirations and occur commonly in unconscious individuals just prior to death.
I would like to know how long it took before the convulsion started.
Convulsions are hard to watch for those who don’t understand them. But we know a lot about what it’s like for folks to have convulsions because they aren’t that uncommon.
I would much rather die from nitrogen than a firing squad or electric chair.
One thing I’m surprised about is that they don’t have a good backup plan for folks with difficult IV access. The area can be anesthetized prior to all the IV attempts, infrared vein finders can be used and it’s not that hard to cut down to isolate and cannulate a vein. There are lots of doctors and nurses who are experienced at accomplishing intravenous cannulation in such patients in order to save lives. Surely there are some of them who would be willing to participate in executions if paid enough.
Thank you for your informed response. I have recently, unfortunately, been exposed to the concept of an "exit bag," which appears to use a similar method for painless suicide. So, I'm certainly not seeing the problem here.
Not that I would. I believe we are far too compassionate to those who victimize others, but that is beside the point.
Thank you! I had many of the same questions regarding the IV access problem. Seemed as if they were maybe unprepared or inexperienced obtaining difficult IV access but it's something that is done every day in Healthcare.
I bet they would because some nurses are hypocrites
The love of money is the root of all evil
Exactly. It's ridiculous they couldn't find a vein in a man who wasn't 80 years old. Also, my daughter and son have both had convulsions. They don't remember it, they aren't aware it's happening. It is painless except for muscle soreness the next day. Sounds like Alabama just doesn't have competent people.
Lets not forget what the poor woman went through while she was being murdered. I'm sure it wasn't a walk in the park for her..
there were 2 of them and nothing proves that kenneth killed this woman, especially stole things from her in the house and found her at his place
@@Manu_Lemoine_FRhe was there during her murder to read her bible 😂 use common sense man
Yes. Dr. Todd is an evil man.
Authority figures have more of a responsibility to not force subjective opinions onto other people without necessity. Freedom is more important than safety and happiness.
The woman most certainly suffered, and it sounds like she had to have been aware her husband was behind it as she was dying. Regardless, our constitution specifically forbids cruel and unusual punishment. And that's the problem we run into here. Is this cruel?
I'm more concerned about how poor Elizabeth died than the monster that killed her. I'm sure that she suffered tremendously.
Senor Grande doesn't care about that.
@@soulquesthealingmusic2307 fr
Dr. Todd Grande looks at all sides of an issue. He does feel empathy for the victim, and the perpetrator, also
Most of the comments on these boards are one dimensional and short sighted😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
I'm sure she wasn't so "innocent". Why do you think a pastor wanted her dead? Probably the typical nagging 🐕. 🤷♂️
@@michaelfrietdch9833
I agree 👍
I also feel bad for the husband having to do what he did
Go thru all that trouble just to get caught
It's just no right 😢
An extensive survey of the comments indicates that your viewers do not share your concern for murderers.
That's disturbing. I mean that those who comment here must in most cases be followers of Dr. Grande and understand his analyses. And agree with them. That is, not be the one he analyzes. But there you see...
Yeah...I am finding the comments incredibly disturbing. There also seems to be a misunderstanding that because someone does not support the death penalty or believes it should be humane when it is used means that person doesn't care about the victim/victims. It's just all... Very disturbing.
@@disgruntledmoderate5331 Why? Hammurabi's code, an eye for an eye ("makes the world go blind" only if everyone is a murderer so it's a stupid addition to this phrase). Would you rather have him treated the same way he treated his victim (I do) or just a much more comfortable death? I wonder if those who somehow could see the execution of the wife would say "I've seen worse, a guy convulsing in a gas mask".
This is more about us than the murderer.
@@belladonnahigh9206 I think you are misunderstanding my discomfort. I can be both horrified (and I am) at what that man did, and at his execution. I am more horrified at the murder, but I am allowed to be horrified by his execution too.
By the way, the "eye for an eye" meant that the punishment could not be WORSE than the crime. Not that it absolutely has to match the crime. I do think people misunderstand what our prison system is like.
I understand that the condemned man attempted to game the system by selecting nitrogen hypoxia as his choice of execution (rather than lethal injection or firing squad), believing that the State of Alabama would never be able to actually establish a protocol for its use. Once it became clear that Alabama was ready to proceed with nitrogen hypoxia, the condemned man objected to its use as cruel and unusual punishment. With that background to consider, the US Supreme Court denied a stay of execution on the day prior to the execution. The State of Alabama was bound
by state law to honor the condemned man's request for method of execution, and should not be criticized for doing so.
You speak the truth.
Carry on.
Well said and I agree.
@@VirgilTStoneAlabama doesn’t use the firing squad for the death penalty, so keep on talking about the truth.
@@nkmcfrln
Ok, I will.
You seem like an arrogant horse's....butt.
I don't have to explain myself to you.
Have a nice day.
@@nkmcfrln
I will.
You seem like a horse's.....butt.
I honestly do not care how he was killed and what all he went through before he died. He didn't care about that. Innocent lady he killed and would all she went through before she died.
I agree with you. I can't even imagine what that poor woman went through:((
Yeah well, some of us try to be better than murderers. But you do you lol
Well said..Elizabeth is the one person everyone should be thinking of.
@@shawnfoster4506unhinged if you think having an opinion is worse than being a murderer
But you do you
@@shawnfoster4506would you still think that way if ur mother was stabbed 7 times in the chest and twice in the neck?
The irony is not lost to me that this man and his accomplices chose to spend the money they were given for a gun on drugs. This led them to kill this innocent woman in a horrifically violent manner. She suffered tremendously. The state of Alabama gave him the same courtesy he gave her. Actually, he got more. He was able to live 30 years longer than she was..and he was guilty.
And he got to choose his manner of death.
💯 this ⬆️
And he only got a thousand bucks. Crime certainly didn't pay for this loser all the way 'round.
He even got a meal of his choice, that his victim didn't.
@@dogtrainer4645 the classic eye for an eye
He tried to screw up the execution to get another stay. He failed.
Like a complete coward the same way he did his wife
Be careful what you wish for?
That’s quite possibly what happened.
May not be relevant to this case but 99% of those guys are eager to be put down. Imagine being in a doctors waiting room for 20 years
@@mrsshagsswagfrostytwo wrong DONT make it right
I still don't think that he was given anywhere near the same nightmarish ending that his victim received from him.
If this monster didn't want to be legally executed for his crimes, then why did he execute an innocent woman whose only crime was to be married to the wrong man (who hired this monster to assassinate his wife)?
I'm not sure, but it seems like the murderer demonstrated "recklessness and overconfidence" when he stabbed that lady in the neck. So the punishment fits the crime, doc.
Maybe he shouldn’t have killed his victim. 🤷♀️ It sounds like her death was brutal. I hope her family now has closure. ❤
I'm not concerned about his suffering because he clearly was not concerned about his victim's suffering. Actions = Consequences
aka FAFO
It's unconstitutional
Allowing the death penalty to exist is allowing a society to succumb to its worst instincts. We're supposed to be better than that.
Ah yes. An eye for an eye
@@GBennet leaves everyone blind
Pretty rare that most people in the comment section disagree with Dr. Grande, this is one of those times. Leaving the part out about this guy trying to game the system with the execution method was a huge miss.
And this wasn’t a case of well maybe he didn’t do it. He confessed and there is no doubt of his crime against humanity.
The state finally served justice for the innocent victim who undoubtedly screamed for help, writhed in pain, called for God, sobbed for her family while she slowly succumbed to her injuries.
I will not cry for the murderer who exacted death on that poor woman because he not only wrote her death sentence that day, he also wrote his own.
There are four or five states that still execute by firing squad. How is that a pain free execution and why does the execution have to be pain free? What they did to get there certainly wasn't pain free. I guess I am more of an eye for an eye person.
Firing squad is generally considered painless due to the fact that hypovolemic shock usually renders the subject unconscious near instantly and the fact that you typically don't feel a gun shot for some time because the kinetic shock temporarily knocks out the effected peripheral nerves.
Because otherwise it would be unconstitutional
@@dovidstaples9985wrong, the constitution forbids CRUEL AND UNUSUAL not painful.
@@nhmooytis7058 inflicting pain is cruel.
@@oliviachetcuti225 so is murdering an innocent person. Dowanna be executed? Don’t murder anyone. DDUUUUUHHHHH
He was treated far more humanely than he treated his victim.
based
Yes, but he's a criminal, the State represents the people and is supposed to punish but not to the same low standards as criminals or murderers. Very few countries still have the death penalty; China, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, South Sudan, Sudan, the United States, and Yemen. As you can see very few of these countries have democratically elected leaders or legislatures and they're mainly Moslem countries. Of course, as has happened many times in the past the wrong person is executed or killed because they threatened the regime in power. Russia is a good example of this and is the one blot in Europe which has led the world in not only leaving its long history of the worst wars ever fought, dividing the world into its empires and death penalties given out for stealing a carrot to trading partners, joint military commands and punishment without the need to murder the criminal.
@@chrisparnham pfthhhh.. "mainly moslem countries" ... buddy, you even dont have your geographical knowledge right, not to speak about your logical failure. pathetic.
@@chrisparnham perfectly stated. Intellectually sound.
Exactly
Zero sympathy for this criminal.
Nobody's asking you to do that. But allowing the death penalty to exist is allowing a society to succumb to its worst instincts. We're supposed to be better than that.
@@klauswigsmithThe death penalty deters...
@@philaufan6 That's an old myth. If it was an effective deterrent the USA would have a much lower murder rate than its peer nations that have abolished the death penalty, but it doesn't. In fact the USA murder rate is much, much higher than its peer nations.
The death penalty has been proven to be an ineffective deterrent.
@@klauswigsmithremove one demographic and America joins it's peer nations lol.
@@johnnydjiurkopff "remove one demographic"
Can you elaborate? Please...expand on that. I'm interested in what you have to say on the subject. If you have the courage, that is.
Go on.
Fucked up execution method aside, I find no sympathy for this man. The lady he murdered suffered far more than he did in his death.
Kenneth was probably thinking:
"Damn you Elizabeth, look at the excruciating pain I am going through because of you, have you no mercy, woman...?"
Just a reminder I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating why one death row inmate would try to spoil it for the rest of the prisoners on death row by holding his breath like this.
😂
Lol....
@@texasrefugee7888 😃🦓
@@junehbee29 😃🦓
lol
A murderer suffered tremendously for four minutes before he died……AND????????
& so did the innocent & unwitting people present (the public servants assigned to administer & stand guard, the pastor, the reporters & Kennith’s family). They, along with the public, were lied to & now they witnessed a death they were not expecting to be torturous, they will have to live with the consequences (PTSD, depression, anxiety, etc). If they were told his death could’ve been anything like it was, I’m certain some would’ve opted out of participating & witnessing.
And justice was finally served, after 3+decades
The people present were there for an execution. The only innocent person was the victim and the ones affected by the crime. The victim was the only victim. RIP
He forfeited all compassion and concern for his life when he murdered her. Toodles, hope you got all the fear and pain you inflicted on her.
Dr. Grande is an idiot.
A legal system should not be based on emotions.
@@ilonakarlsson537all legal systems are. What do you think morals are based on?
there were 2 of them and nothing proves that kenneth killed this woman, especially stole things from her in the house and found her at his place
@@bjjposts6349 Right and wrong is intrinsic to reality. It has nothing to do with emotion. If you think "inflicting suffering is wrong" is an emotional response then you're a sociopath too. One should not inflict suffering, EVER. For any reason.
Hard to sympathize when his victim was terrorized before she succumbed to the horrific stabbing death that was inflicted on her.
It sounds to me like she probably didn't suffer that much. Probably being married to a poor womanizer was more painful. My thoughts are also with the mistress who paid three thousand dollars for the man that she loved and in return she lost him, he lost his life and his wife and three of his accomplices also died. Ultimately she killed five people for her three thousand dollars!
Not all men who cheat on their wives will also kill them, but almost all who killed their wife also cheated on them
Please be aware of how harmful unlawful sex can be.
@joanlynch5271 The pastor paid the hitmen, not his mistress. How can you say that poor woman didn't suffer that much? She was beaten and stabbed! You sound the devil himself! Ugh!
Saying he was "tortured" when they were just trying to find a useable vein is a bit much... its not pleasant but its not "torture"
I'm with you Dr. Grande. I don't believe in the death penalty either. It's cruel and inhumane 😢.
@@joandeigan7826
Have you ever been in a prison? I’ve worked as a psych nurse in one. What would you think or feel if you saw an old man with dementia wandering around confused, barely able to eat, but still forced to sleep on a futon mattress over a flat steel plate. Is that inhumane? That’s what LIFE IN PRISON means. You grow old, get dementia, get sick and hurt, and die in a concrete building. Is that more humane? What about the DECADES of money the law abiding citizens are forced to pay to support that?
I think people need to grow up and stop tainting their sense of justice with their feelings. He murdered an innocent woman and was able to live at no personal expense for decades longer than he let her live. Grow up.
@totallyfrozen Wow! You don't seem to have much compassion for being a nurse! Shame on you Nurse Rachett!
Maybe you'd like to volunteer and find out if it's torture the way Christopher Hitchens did with waterboarding. Hitch lasted about 4 seconds. Smith's first execution attempted lasted 4 hours with him strapped to a gurney, unable to draw a full breath while needles were stuck into his hands, his feet, his arms, his legs, his collarbone, and his groin (and I may be missing a few places). Do you think you'd last 4 minutes?
I have experienced many jabs in one sitting because my veins are hard to find. It's uncomfortable but certainly not agonizing.His victim suffered and she was innocent.
Oh my God. He borrowed the money to kill his wife from his mistress? This is a new low.
Whilst standing at the pulpit in his church, instructing everyone on how they should live their lives! 🙄
Community leaders are the best drivers 🎉🎉🎉
My empathy goes to Elizabeth who was only guilty of marrying and trusting the wrong man. As for Kenneth, he got his just due. He didn’t have the level of empathy, respect or regard for Elizabeth that people are wanting us to give him. Assuming he was guilty, he made his bed. He got what he gave. In my opinion Alabama should keep this practice (so long as it doesn’t hurt the other people in the room) and use Kenneth as an example of what happens when you disregard the rights and dignity of others.
If I could go back in time, I would have paid for a fMRI on my ex before I married him to see if he had empathy pathways in his brain. If they found a figurative "black hole" where those pathways should be, I would not have married him.
"Assuming he was guilty", you write - and there's the problem in a nutshell. Execute an innocent man and the mistake can't be undone. And no justice system can guarantee mistakes won't be made.
@@stevenmcghee6649 But the courts were not assuming, only fluffysox.
@@stevenmcghee6649 The U.S. "justice" system is horrible. Racial bias and also strong bias regarding poverty. You need money to navigate it successfully.
@@nanettevantriesteharder2469 Is that actually a reliable way of detecting psychopathy/sociopathy in people?
Everyone suffers. It's a part of life. I find it a strange moral stance that we need to make sure monsters who caused tremendous suffering don't suffer in their final moments 🤷♂️
I suppose as a society we’re conflicted about killing, period. And maybe we’re more concerned about the witnesses of the execution than the murderer. I dunno.
@@ahill4642 I'm no longer pro death penalty myself. My reasons are practical - we get the wrong person way too often for me to feel ok about ending life of the convicted, and it ends up costing tax payers much more money. It just seems strange to me to care so much about the suffering of someone who caused so much suffering. Maybe I'm just a cold person, I dunno.
Agreed, Kevin Doran. Totally agree.
I guess the stance is that our society must be seen as just. However , it's not like prisoners are't beaten or killed in prison. I guess it's all about society appearing to be above any vindictiveness in metering out justice.
It's called being a normal human who thinks torture and murder are wrong. Period. Using the acts of the worst criminals among us as an excuse to commit acts at least as gruesome and horrific as the ones being punished is the stance that seems insane to me.
No compassion for murderers. Even if he suffered, he did not suffer as much as that poor woman did as she watched this monster take her life away.
Soldiers could be considered murderers it’s not so black and white it’s all about walking a thin line but at the end murder is murder
Sadist?
Justice. @@ilonakarlsson537
That’s how I feel about child killers. But this man had already served 30 years and a life sentence would have been sufficient. Context is important. The true devil was the fake Jesus loving Pastor who cheated on his wife and sought out someone to kill his wife. He took the easy way out.
In your mind, everyone is a sadist.@@ilonakarlsson537
No no no. I think his last words coupled with him holding his breath to make that execution method look barbaric, was a sociopaths true way of getting control and a reaction one last time on his way out
Do you really believe he was holding his breath? Think about it. The powers that be that signed off on the execution haven’t got the balls to admit that the procedure was torturous & inhumane. They are going to duck, weave, lie & sugarcoat. Dr Grande said it best, “If they want to execute prisoners, they need to own the viciousness of the act & not shy away from reality.”
How do you know he was actually holding his breath? Where you there?
According to the information received by Dr. Grande, the executed person would have held his breath for four minutes. Most people can hold their breath for between one and one and a half minute.
What expertise do you have when it comes to this method of execution?
Your no professional to even assume that,
I'm against the death penalty, but I can't understand why people say there's no humane and effective drug. People overdose on fentanyl all the time, many willingly 🤷🏻♀️
Well, at least we can all rest assured that his victim died without suffering and pain. Oh wait...
What a stupid comment.
Tell me you're against the death penalty in any form, without telling me you're against the death penalty.
He had 36 years longer than his innocent victim.
Kenneth did not show mercy to the person who he killed. Why are we concerned about the execution method?
Duznt mean we have to be the same.
Why stoop to his level? Why not strive to have a better sense of morals and ethics than a murderer?
Facts😊
tell that to the close ones of the victim@@shawnfoster4506
@mrsshagsswagfrosty the answer to this question is that it's our responsibility as reasonable adults to maintain our sense of morals and ethics, even in the face of those who fail to maintain theirs. Sadly, many are all too willing to congratulate themselves on their willingness to stoop to the level of murderer, and somehow feel exceptionally enlightened when they do.
Never should have lived 30 years after. No sympathy.
The argument that this new method of execution is too cruel for inmates because it is deemed too cruel for animals, DOES NOT STAND. The animals are innocent.
It’s unconstitutional. Under cruel and unusual punishment.
It's just Liberal belly-aching, they only care for the criminals, they'll get worked up if a multiple murderer is slightly inconvenienced but say nothing about the hundreds of lives devastated by the animal.
There is something called human rights and they are universal.
The mask is way to big for an animal to use.
Humans are animals too. Some more then others.
Alabama finally got the justice for this case. It’s tragic a pastor would do this to his wife for money.
Only if he was a pastor?
Did they though?
Its just about expected for a clergyman go do this for money. The sanctimonious prig was committing adultery as well.
It’s tragic that any human being would choose to do this to another human period
Alabama didn't get stabbed to death. Elizabeth did.
I wonder if Kenneth suffered as much as Elizabeth did at the time of her death? Just a thought.
I wonder if you even understand what this is about.
So thankful this monster is no longer on this earth. Now, Elizabeth's two sons, Mike & Chuck, can find closure. His manner of execution was controversial. So was his manner of executing an innocent, beautiful woman who did nothing to him. He decided to blow the gun money on drugs & to use a knife to torture Elizabeth. What goes around, comes around.
Yes!
How do you know for sure that Mike and Chuck will get closure just because their mother's killer was executed?
What kind of punishment have the murderer's relatives committed to receive a lifetime of suffering?
@@ilonakarlsson537 The family has said as much.
Sounds like he got off easy compared to his victim!
His Victims Suffered More.
The victim was beaten to an "unconscious" point and stabbed numerous times including two stabs in her neck.. if I so happen to remember correctly. 😔🥺
This is not a competition in who suffers the most. You seem to have completely missed what this is about.
@@moen4645 The Victim had Children, They are also Victims.
Why do we have such sympathy for this barbaric killer I can only imagine the violence and the terror that this lady that he murdered by stabbing went through when she realized her life was over in the worst possible way and here we're going to nitpick after he sat how long without a death sentence and before he was finally executed from the time he committed the murder and we're going to have sympathy for him and we're going to say will that was such a violent death but we don't think about how violent the death the lady went through put yourself in the victim's shoes for once people instead of always Living Through The Eyes of the murderous sadistic I don't understand man😢
I've found that there are those who have sympathy for people who love them and there are those who have the most sympathy for those who hate them. The latter group often has this desire to be the "bigger person". This type of thinking often looks good on a global stage, but it isn't appreciated nearly as much by those involved.
Recognizing that an execution method is inhumane and having sympathy for Elizabeth aren't mutually exclusive. Kenneth Smith did something barbaric but that doesn't justify barbaric acts done to him.
It's not about empathy It's about it being unconstitutional. We seek justice not revenge and torture
Also this argument is like claiming Batman doesn't kill because he has sympathy and empathy for criminals
@@kris1346 Why not?, I want you to give me a fucking real masculine reason to deal with that guy in effeminate way like you live your effeminate life!..
Why should an execution be pain and suffering free for a convicted murderer?
My question too.
The people claiming they oppose this method will also oppose every other method.
Every other method of what?
@@oliviachetcuti225 Of capital punishment. They don't oppose nitrogen, they oppose capital punishment.
“Most violent execution”? Like the victim’s execution?
In America we are SUPPOSED to believe in being better than murderers.
@@socialcommentary1014 Why are there so many then?
She suffered for 3 hours before dying!😢
@@socialcommentary1014 we are. We didn’t stab him to death.
@@fs663no, he was torturously & painfully suffocated while innocent people (public servants, the pastor, his family) were lied to & will now have to suffer the consequences of having witnessed such a horrific death (ie. PTSD, Depression, Anxiety, etc).
The other killer was exacuted in 2010 this was the second time they tried to exacute this person. I believe in the Death Penalty and if you are found quilty you should not be able too continue living for 30 years. No one cares about the children that were left behind because of this man his friend and their father maybe now they can get some kind of peace 🕊️🥀
The son said they weren’t jumping for joy & nor did it bring his mother back. There’s your answer.
@@oliviachetcuti225 interesting, and it makes sense.
Of course, do you believe in the death penalty even if it were to apply to yourself, your parents, siblings, or children? And despite the fact that you know that any number of innocent people have been sentenced to death. I ask myself how in the world can you be so d*m?!
His suffering was nothing compared to what the poor lady that he killed went through. I have no sympathy for him.
It is lack of thought like this that illustrates the sad state of the American mind. Behaving like the criminal is not justice Obviously, the lights are not on in your lighthouse
And you're missing the point.
No sympathy
How are we to know? Two wrongs don’t equal a right.
@@johnthompson3462
The state has the right and the authority to execute. Individual criminals do not. Don’t pretend that you don’t understand the difference.
7:37 I wonder if it was as violent as what happened to his victim?
My thoughts exactly. I can't imagine how scared she must have been while she was being brutally murdered.
Sounds like everything went well, I wouldn’t change a thing. How long did that poor woman suffer?
EXACTLY!
Do you know who struggled for their life? The dead woman.
Justice served . R.I.P to the victim 🎉
“Execution is cruel, inhuman, and degrading .”
So is murder.
Execution is murder though. One murder does not justify another. You cannot cause suffering to another, regardless of what they did, and consider yourself a moral person. The contradiction of all contradictions, rooted in pure evil, disguised as compassion and falsely labeled as justice.
Execution IS murder!
Murder is a crime. The word Murder, it the unlawfull killing of a human by definition. If a goverment is acting according to its laws, what ever it does can not be a crime. You may not like it, but you need to use the right words. @Jupiter1423
@@Tyrael007007 it was legal to kill Jews in Nazi Germany. This is the problem with majority morality and/or subjective morality. When taken to its logical conclusion its not morality at all, its just one person/groups opinion over the other. What the state of Alabama did to this man was not justice, regardless of what the law of Alabama is. It was pure evil. You're telling me to use the right words, yet dont realize your words suggest Nazi Germany didnt murder anyone.
@@Jupiter1423 Thank you.
Its easier to be holier than thou when its not your loved one thats been brutally murdered.
You seem absolutely certain that none of your loved ones will ever commit a crime based on what?! Anyway, this has nothing to do with private feelings. Without anything that extends far beyond that. Namely humanity. What kind of society do we want?
@ilonakarlsson537 Ethics and morals for one, and if they did choose to brutally beat and stab to death a woman for money, the consequences should fit the crime. Justice is subjective. Different people will never agree on what that should be, and that's fine. It's why we elect officials to represent us and make the laws.
only people who are pretending to be holier than thou are those who are justifying this with whataboutery.
His victim suffered longer than he did, how can anyone shed a tear for a person who killed a mother for other reason than money.
I have no concern for this man's "discomfort" during his execution. Imagine the discomfort and absolute horror his victim felt the last minutes of her life.
Violent? Horror? Interesting choice in adjectives. He died more humanely than his victim. Strangely, his last words were to proclaim the humanity he was being deprived of, while expressing remorse only for himself. Compelling & rich.
It is difficult to have sympathy for this man.
Wow, a thousand dollars each for murder. What absolute losers.
1980's money
That's at least 2,000 or 3,000 in todays dollars to be fair.
Exactly all for a lousy 1,000 dollars.
Im surprised to hear DrG opinion on this as the victim of the murder had no choice over their death painful or painless.
How many execution methods did he give the woman he beat to death?
He got a taste of what he served his victim
“Don’t ask what you are killing but what are you allowing to live”.
Athos.
I gather from this that Dr. Grande is against the death penalty
now, what gives you that idea?
He actually said so.
@@ilonakarlsson537 sorry, i was being sarcastic. yeah, it's pretty damn obvious
Nobody’s perfect. He is a psychologist, so of course his sense of justice will be dictated by his emotions. I’ve worked with dozens of them in the prison setting. They’re all like that. It’s really immature.
hmmm and i thought he is intelligent
Yeah, where is the analysis of the pain and agony Elizabeth went through?
I could NOT care LESS about how much he “suffered”. Where was HIS humanity when he killed an INNOCENT woman for $$?!?
Did his victim get a last meal, get to see her family one last time or get to make final words?
One witness called it “the most violent execution he’d ever witnessed”
Another called it a “horror show”.
Wonder what They would’ve thought if they’d WITNESSED the MURDER of his INNOCENT VICTIM.
AGAIN- COULD NOT CARE LESS- Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish.
It's being done in your name. I guess your standards aren't very high then.
Planned theatrics to try and score a last-second reprieve.
I bet he was practicing holding his breath for weeks! He thought if he flopped around like a fish long enough they would take off the face mask. Wrong!
People can call it a mistake, inhumane, unethical... strange no one brought up that it could have been karma.
Yes!
He lived 36 years longer than his victim. Was her death cruel and unusual ?
Exactly
34 but close enough
He chose his death.
Oh no the poor murderer!
Oh no, another immature comment! 🍼
@@ilonakarlsson537 Eww, a pro-crime leftist replied to my comment 🤢🤮
@@ilonakarlsson537so you feel bad for the killer?
@@nastybigJim
I feel that we are civilized people in 2024 and that the death penalty belongs in the Middle Ages.
he got 38 years more than she did he didn't worry about her pain don't feel a bit sorry for him
I wonder what the innocent woman who was murdered by being tricked, trapped, beaten, and stabbed would think about her murderer having an uncomfortable death? I'd venture to think she isn't rolling over.... God rest her soul.
I love you Dr. Grande and usually agree with u- but not this time. The only injustice is that evil man got to live 30+ years and get a last meal that wasnt cat food or road kill
Not too many complaints about assisted suicide. In 2020, around 1,300 people died by assisted suicide in Switzerland, almost all by ingesting liquid sodium pentobarbital, which puts a patient into a deep coma before killing them. Assisted suicide is also legal in the Netherlands, Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg, and Canada.
Assisted suicide is murder too for the clear-eyed.
Yeah but those people willingly drink it. How to make the inmates ingest it without violence?
What weird comparison is that?? Also, there is no assisted suicide in my country (Netherlands). Only euthanasia, and only under extreme strict rules. In fact, there’s many who want it but are not getting it and eventually commit suicide because of it.
I read somewhere Phillip N. The author of the peaceful pill handbook was consulted on what could happen when the method they choose was used..
You really don’t see the difference? Seriously?
“They repeatedly tortured him stabbing him with needles” . Ok and he tortured an innocent woman by stabbing her. I really don’t get the obsession with making the death penalty sweet and tender. He prayed for rain and had to deal with the mud.
I wonder how much thought Kenneth put into the execution he carried out, and if he considered that execution "a step back for humanity." They put far more effort into his execution than he did into taking an innocent woman's life. I'm of the opinion that one 13 cent bullet would've done the trick. I bet that unsuspecting house wife did not get a T-bone steak prior to her execution. We have a problem with truth in this country.
"The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword." Eddard Stark
Judge, jury, and executioner?
Well said!
Tell that to Ilyn Payne 😶 🔇
Maybe. But not convinced. Discussion is needed.Edard Stark had a few problems himself, so....
@@susanfanning9480 There isn't a person in existence who doesn't have a few problems. That said, I agree that discussion is needed.
The poor thing that was submitted to `the vicious act` had no qualms unleashing 2 strangers on his wife, who had done him no harm whatsoever, to kill her any which way they chose to. I don feel sorry for him or the likes of him. As far as I know, the law tries to kill them the most painless way possible, a mercy they do not show their victim.
❤ exactly 💯
That guy offed himself long ago. This guy was the one that helped do the killing of his wife.
These cut-rate assassins never seem to work out: the Tiger King also paid $3000 for the hitman who got him sent to prison.
He tried to game the system, and it backfired. The state had to honor the inmate's wishes. I think this method is horrific but he chose it, hoping he could get out of it by claiming it was unconstitutional.
He won, he had 35 years of life after his crime.
@@johnboutwell4354
Crazy that you can call incapacitation a life. Especially when it comes to America's prisons which are more inhumane than animal cages. Totally out of touch with reality!
@@ilonakarlsson537 Prisons are far too comfy That's why they keep killing to get inside.
@@user-bd5nh5eb4b
I don't know what your requirements are for comfy. But to be in a cell two by three meters with only a bunk and a toilet seat 23 hours a day, seven days a week, year after year. It's not something I would punish myself into. Or any human for that matter.
@@ilonakarlsson537 Are you kidding me?? America has the most HUMANE prisoners around, there actually tooo easy on prisoners!
Tortured by stabbing with needles? Could have been a knife.
So we are concerned about the suffering of a murderer, interesting.
Maybe they should think about the person that was murdered and how they suffered for hours while being stabbed and left for dead. That is an inhumane death.
How about how the victim suffered? After she was kind enough to let them use the bathroom. Go Alabama!!!!!
I understand how you feel Dr. Todd, however his death was still easier than his victims was.
How can this guy get the death penalty but people like Chris Watts who literally murdered his whole family don’t??
Plea deal…so they could find out where he disposed of the little girls. 😢
Because the way we apply the death penalty in this country is totally arbitrary. Has more to do with how much money you have to spend on lawyers than the heinousness of your crime.
Seems like his death wasn’t as bad as the women’s, that survived hours with literally holes in her body. Plus he got to live a while.
"He appeared to have suffered tremendously." He didn't suffer nearly as much as the victim, so boo hoo.
"The execution did not go as planned." Actually it did. He became room temperature in the end.
Childish! 👶🏻🍼
That poor woman didn't get any choices in how she would die. And it was brutal. Cry me a river.
Sending a prisoner to New Jersey would be a cruel form of death.
"I condem you to go to New Jersey and date Snooki!"
That is a fate worse than death.
😂
There have been patients who have died in dental offices who received nitrous oxide or an IV form of sedation and suffered from unrecognized hypoxia. Their resulting vegetative state or deaths are not considered painful. The dentist and/or their untrained/poorly educated/inexperienced staff member responsible for administering and/or monitoring the sedation doesn't receive the backlash that this prison is getting for killing a killer.
“Struggled for his life” - just like his victim!
How did his victims body react? How much did she suffer? Hmmm?.....hmmmmm? That's what I thought.