The speaker won't have more power if the amp can't provide it at the same resistance. If they are the same impedance then the speakers will have the same power flowing through it with the amp of the partybox and perform very similar. And also as the impedance of a speaker goes up, the power that flows through it goes down.
Yes. And it's important don't forget the sensibility of the subwoofer.. Cause if you put a more sensitivity subwoofer, you may have more SPL. For example: Let's suppose the JBL Partybox 1000 subwoofer has a 87dB subwoofer. If you change the subwoofer for one that has 90dB, you will have way more SPL, as if you had doubled the power. Not everything is about power, but is specially about drivers too.
is it because of the motor size ( magnet and coil size like a bigger magnet with a bigger coil?) i heard and researched that bigger magnets and bigger coils outputs more volume and more cone flexibility and a bigger or double or triple surrounding cone? Like, 10 inch sub or 12 inch sub had a 5 inch size magnet wide and a 2 or 3 inch wide size coil, and another same size sub but with a like 5 inch or 4 inch or 6 inch size magnet/coil of same sub size, it can be louder because of a bigger coil and bigger magnet sizes? (besides watts) @@SPLSPECTRUM
bro the fact that u just changed the speaker does not mean anything at all... 1400 watts is how much power it can handle lets say... it won't give you a louder result but it just gives you the opportunity to change the amp to a higher rated one...
I think there’s two things at play here. The first is the amp cannot push the better sub enough therefore you’re seeing less db. The second thing is the volume in the subwoofer enclosure looks quite small. What is the better subs recommended volume? It will sound terrible in too small an enclosure. And lastly subs are designed to either perform better in ported or sealed enclosures.
If you get a speaker thats more sensitive it will be louder at the same wattage, the amp produces the wattage, its rated at a specific impedance, lowering the impedance usually increases the wattage depending on the type of amp it can be stable at 16 ohm or some with modification can go as low as 0.25ohm,
I am going to assume that both speakers are actually rated at 4ohm. One thing you need to take into account is that the parameters of the enclosure are designed to match the capabilities of the woofer that is factory installed. This includes box rise, which I am surprised no one has mentioned. Your impedance is going to change once the woofer is installed into an enclosure and depending on the enclosure the box rise may end up being different for what are, fundamentally different sub woofers. This test proves nothing unless you can clamp the speakers and compare the power output of the amplifier and its efficiency when powering each woofer in the enclosure.
Impedance and sensitivity and RMS power and of course box enclosure To be honest the original UBL party speaker subwoofer looks like 200w rms maybe 300w if your lucky. I dont want to put a downer on the set up but a 1k sub would have a much bigger coil and would require a bigger amplifier
You should put a more sensitivity subwoofer to avail the proper JBL PB1000 amplifier. For example: if JBL original subwoofer has 87dB of sensitivity, you should put a 90dB subwoofer and preferably a sub with same power handling or even less, because it will sound like had doubled the power. If yoy put a 93dB subwoofer with same or less power than the original, it may sound like you had tripled the power, and it will have much more SPL. The sub of the video needs a lot of power to play well, like a amplifier with 4 times more power than 300W RMS.
Фигня получится. Для динамика что вы предлагаете, будет маленький объем. И эстрадный саб с высокой резонансной частотой, на будет басить в этой конструкции. + 8 Ом сопротивление - минус к мощности,и которой там и так мало. 1000вт нет в помине. Ват 300 максимум
This is like putting race car wheels on a civic then expecting it to be as fast as race cars, the difference will be more noticeable if you replace the amp with one that can provide 1400watts. In this comparison amp = engine.
The sub can take 1000 that dosent mean that the amp in the jbl can do it also the db was exactly the same 😂 the amp in the jbl was already maxed out with the original sub and if it’s a 1000w sub if it’s dual voice coil each coil takes 500w the jbl sub that was in there was single coil only so there was not benefit Unless you put your own amp in like a small sound digital mono block amp that’s for cars so I don’t know how you would power it the only option is a converter it costs around 200$ and you have to cut a hole in the box for the wires which can cause an air leak ruining the performance and it would not be as portable so this video was pointless 😂. See I’m 14 and I know more than you 😂
That subwoofer doesn't have 1400w rms , its more like 400 rms , if i remember i had that one , its a car subwoofer. Also that subwoofer was not meant for sealed enclosure.
practiv difuzorul oroginal se aude aproape dublu ca si intensitate sonora decat cel pe care l-ai pus...chiar daca este mai puternic ca si watti,rezista la putere mai mare,insa randamentul lui este mai scazut fata de cel original
Now, you will have to add more enclosure volume to compensate for tuning! You just threw off the frequency range to the other speakers. It will ultimately change the low frequency making more tighter bass in a small enclosure. Unless you add an LC7i to adjust which will make it sound a bit better. In the end you basically rearranged frequency and killed the vibe! The bass is now off frequency! Also, amplification for the speaker is at a minimum! Need to match RMS rating speaker to internal amplifier RMS output. Along with ohm matching!
It's not the driver that produce the power, it's the amplifier inside. Even if you change the driver, it's still the same power. Also, you can't measure the impedance of a driver with it laying face down. It need to be laying on the magnet.
Why do you measure a sound souce at 100Hz and below with an A weighted meter? There is a dropoff starting at 1000Hz, and at 100Hz, the measured value is 20dB less than the baseline, and at 30Hz, is is 40dB lower.
I have a 4,000 w receiver with amp connected to this party box 1000 and like six other subs I think if I were to do this to my party box it would really be able to push it
If the woofer has conection for 4 ohms it should have been wiredin that manner so it can use both of the internal doubled coil connections to make the best low frequency and maybe it would have performed better and the amp may not heat up to move such a powerful sub...thats my opinion guys..👍😁 if im wrong, let me know...👍
First if you’re looking for more powerful as you said you’ll need to put a more powerful amp also not only subwoofer, yes the subwoofer handles more power but wouldn’t get louder with the same amp.
Саб вообще не должен ходить на частотах выше 60. К тому же, нужно учитывать внутренний объем. Нельзя просто поставить саб, и кайфануть. Без должной настройки, он не будет отыгрывать как надо.
Ok this man has power handling capacity to power output of an amplifier you won't get anymore power output for a sub without a bigger amp it's not like dual voice coil subs where u can lower the impendence of the amplifier to output more power, it's also not good to run car audio in home stereo set up
The JBL car sounds harder, I listened to the video with the car audio system, I imagine that the disadvantage of the JBL car is in open air, in any case the partybox 1000 does not have much deep bass but rather it is dynamic bass "fake bass"
Both subs are in same cheap category. Forget 1000W. 200-300W at best. Most 12' subs that can reach 1000Wrms will be dual voice coil. High power subwoofer will sound even worse if amp cant provide enough power to it. EDIT: your 1400W subwoofer is 350W actually
Dejalo como estaba, el que lleva original tiene menos impedancia, aprovecha mejor la potencia, no hace falta tocarle nada, por otro lado, está bueno mostrar esos experimentos, dañino, regalámelo a mí, están re caros acá esos bichos, ja, saludos
You always want more amp power than the speaker is rated at… also driver sensitivity and enclosure play huge roles in sound and spl. Sorry to say but this was a pointless way to void the warranty.
@@bomszanka Why is that? The coil is the same, it has the same resistance from an electrical point of view. Not sure what you meant but i'm sure you got that wrong.
@@lupuradu Put the terminals of your multimeter on the woofer's terminals when it's staying still and measure it. Do the same thing while moving the cone up and down repeatedly and you will get different measurements each time you push/pull it. GPT explanation: When you push the cone of a subwoofer up and down, you're changing the air pressure inside the enclosure, which affects the resistance against the cone's movement.
i saw the title and i jump tho the end of the video just to see his face when find out the resoult, yes the video is pointless, the amp power its the same, no matter the speaker, can be 100000000 watt, the amp will send the same 300W
Mate the new subwoofer with a more powerful amplifier. This test is irrelevant if you don't. Or use a different subwoofer that has the same rating as the original.
Yea let me replace a woofer that's has a minimum box requirement of 0.65 cbft with one that has a minimum of 0.95 cbft and expect it to do better lmfao this guy is clueless
I always wanted to swap speakers in my portable speakers ..good job man
Thank you so much - I was very curious about the results! Cheers
@@AudioTribeif you added sundown subwoofer you could get 2m views:/
The speaker won't have more power if the amp can't provide it at the same resistance. If they are the same impedance then the speakers will have the same power flowing through it with the amp of the partybox and perform very similar. And also as the impedance of a speaker goes up, the power that flows through it goes down.
Yes. And it's important don't forget the sensibility of the subwoofer.. Cause if you put a more sensitivity subwoofer, you may have more SPL. For example: Let's suppose the JBL Partybox 1000 subwoofer has a 87dB subwoofer. If you change the subwoofer for one that has 90dB, you will have way more SPL, as if you had doubled the power. Not everything is about power, but is specially about drivers too.
is it because of the motor size ( magnet and coil size like a bigger magnet with a bigger coil?) i heard and researched that bigger magnets and bigger coils outputs more volume and more cone flexibility and a bigger or double or triple surrounding cone? Like, 10 inch sub or 12 inch sub had a 5 inch size magnet wide and a 2 or 3 inch wide size coil, and another same size sub but with a like 5 inch or 4 inch or 6 inch size magnet/coil of same sub size, it can be louder because of a bigger coil and bigger magnet sizes? (besides watts) @@SPLSPECTRUM
I’m glad someone is smart enough to understand this, I thought this video was funny
Do not forget the power supply!
En realidad no es así, sí puedes sacarle más jugo a la potencia de un amplificador con otra bocina, solamente es cosa de ver las especificaciones
bro the fact that u just changed the speaker does not mean anything at all... 1400 watts is how much power it can handle lets say... it won't give you a louder result but it just gives you the opportunity to change the amp to a higher rated one...
Depending on the efficiency it may result in a higher output
Exactly
@@milchpulverkakao4917well considering its a car audio subwoofer it may not have good efficiency in terms of db at 1 watt
Haters?
non , des connaissances partagées et toi qui vient parler de ça...
Cordialement 🙏🏻
If you want the louder subwoofer. The sensitivity and the impedance of subwoofer is is more important than Watts if you want the new one for replaced.
I love stuff like this i been expermenting with stereos all my life havnt dipped into the jbl stuff though because they sound incredible already
Yes , but we do these tests because we are curious about the results. Many of them don't improve the sound but it is still nice to do it. Cheers
I think there’s two things at play here. The first is the amp cannot push the better sub enough therefore you’re seeing less db. The second thing is the volume in the subwoofer enclosure looks quite small. What is the better subs recommended volume? It will sound terrible in too small an enclosure. And lastly subs are designed to either perform better in ported or sealed enclosures.
Sir! What about band enclosures for subs,will it perform better?
I like that it gives more at low frequencies. But the volume for a party speaker ismore important for me ❤
If you get a speaker thats more sensitive it will be louder at the same wattage, the amp produces the wattage, its rated at a specific impedance, lowering the impedance usually increases the wattage depending on the type of amp it can be stable at 16 ohm or some with modification can go as low as 0.25ohm,
I am going to assume that both speakers are actually rated at 4ohm. One thing you need to take into account is that the parameters of the enclosure are designed to match the capabilities of the woofer that is factory installed. This includes box rise, which I am surprised no one has mentioned. Your impedance is going to change once the woofer is installed into an enclosure and depending on the enclosure the box rise may end up being different for what are, fundamentally different sub woofers. This test proves nothing unless you can clamp the speakers and compare the power output of the amplifier and its efficiency when powering each woofer in the enclosure.
If you like this guy's stereo you gotta check out my house subwoofer.
nice video, so its possible to rewire the speakers to a different amp, if the other fails?
Wire it to 1omhs if you want louder bass. But make sure to check the amp.
this is one of the best test I've seen done thank you for this
Glad you liked it! Cheers
Impedance and sensitivity and RMS power and of course box enclosure To be honest the original UBL party speaker subwoofer looks like 200w rms maybe 300w if your lucky. I dont want to put a downer on the set up but a 1k sub would have a much bigger coil and would require a bigger amplifier
I doubt the other one can even take close to 500w rms either
You should put a more sensitivity subwoofer to avail the proper JBL PB1000 amplifier. For example: if JBL original subwoofer has 87dB of sensitivity, you should put a 90dB subwoofer and preferably a sub with same power handling or even less, because it will sound like had doubled the power. If yoy put a 93dB subwoofer with same or less power than the original, it may sound like you had tripled the power, and it will have much more SPL.
The sub of the video needs a lot of power to play well, like a amplifier with 4 times more power than 300W RMS.
You are perfectly right! But... is nit that cheap to buy these subs! Thank you for the comment! Cheers
@@AudioTribe Yes, I agree. But good video! Keep doing 🤝🏻
Туда нужно не насос ставить, а динамик с высокой чувствительностью по типу Eighteen Sound 12LW1400/8, это будет максимум отдачи.
Фигня получится. Для динамика что вы предлагаете, будет маленький объем. И эстрадный саб с высокой резонансной частотой, на будет басить в этой конструкции. + 8 Ом сопротивление - минус к мощности,и которой там и так мало. 1000вт нет в помине. Ват 300 максимум
The perfect upgrade for PB1000 subwoofer is the JBL Club 1224
what do you have to set 2 ohms or 4 ohms
@@Adminadmin-xo7rh 4 ohms
This is like putting race car wheels on a civic then expecting it to be as fast as race cars, the difference will be more noticeable if you replace the amp with one that can provide 1400watts. In this comparison amp = engine.
You're right - but to change the amp it is very hard!
Well it’s not really going to be louder unless you upgrade the amplifier but great video
Thank you! Cheers!
The sub can take 1000 that dosent mean that the amp in the jbl can do it also the db was exactly the same 😂 the amp in the jbl was already maxed out with the original sub and if it’s a 1000w sub if it’s dual voice coil each coil takes 500w the jbl sub that was in there was single coil only so there was not benefit Unless you put your own amp in like a small sound digital mono block amp that’s for cars so I don’t know how you would power it the only option is a converter it costs around 200$ and you have to cut a hole in the box for the wires which can cause an air leak ruining the performance and it would not be as portable so this video was pointless 😂. See I’m 14 and I know more than you 😂
este mai puternic decat subwooferul de la logitech z623?
Nice video fren!
Thank you! Cheers!
" hey my name is...and I'm the crazy one how's upgrade this monster"😂
Does that jbl sub reaches 1000 watts rms ?
I find that impossible by looking at the amplifier board in tear down video of jbl party 1000
No
Nice test bro 🙂
Thanks for the visit. Cheers
I would say that those speakers are exactly the same just that one of them looks fancier.
That subwoofer doesn't have 1400w rms , its more like 400 rms , if i remember i had that one , its a car subwoofer. Also that subwoofer was not meant for sealed enclosure.
Yes - but it was cool to test it!
@@AudioTribe true
practiv difuzorul oroginal se aude aproape dublu ca si intensitate sonora decat cel pe care l-ai pus...chiar daca este mai puternic ca si watti,rezista la putere mai mare,insa randamentul lui este mai scazut fata de cel original
Jbl sub sounds cleaner than the original.
You mean decibel instead of Vegetable, 1400 watts 😂😂😂😂😂
👍👍👍👍 appreciate the video MY FRIEND
Thank you too. Cheers!
Now, you will have to add more enclosure volume to compensate for tuning! You just threw off the frequency range to the other speakers. It will ultimately change the low frequency making more tighter bass in a small enclosure. Unless you add an LC7i to adjust which will make it sound a bit better. In the end you basically rearranged frequency and killed the vibe! The bass is now off frequency! Also, amplification for the speaker is at a minimum! Need to match RMS rating speaker to internal amplifier RMS output. Along with ohm matching!
It's not the driver that produce the power, it's the amplifier inside. Even if you change the driver, it's still the same power. Also, you can't measure the impedance of a driver with it laying face down. It need to be laying on the magnet.
Why do you measure a sound souce at 100Hz and below with an A weighted meter? There is a dropoff starting at 1000Hz, and at 100Hz, the measured value is 20dB less than the baseline, and at 30Hz, is is 40dB lower.
I have a 4,000 w receiver with amp connected to this party box 1000 and like six other subs I think if I were to do this to my party box it would really be able to push it
You should know what is RMS PEAK PROGRAM power it's 1400 peak around 300 or 350w RMS POWER
If the woofer has conection for 4 ohms it should have been wiredin that manner so it can use both of the internal doubled coil connections to make the best low frequency and maybe it would have performed better and the amp may not heat up to move such a powerful sub...thats my opinion guys..👍😁 if im wrong, let me know...👍
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First if you’re looking for more powerful as you said you’ll need to put a more powerful amp also not only subwoofer, yes the subwoofer handles more power but wouldn’t get louder with the same amp.
You are correct. Thank you for this feedback! Cheers
Саб вообще не должен ходить на частотах выше 60. К тому же, нужно учитывать внутренний объем. Нельзя просто поставить саб, и кайфануть. Без должной настройки, он не будет отыгрывать как надо.
В таком маленьком коробе, он будет попросту задушен
that box is so small is prolly tuned to play above 60hz anyway. The pb 1000 sucks
@@Handlethatineedtouse полностью согласен. Да и к тому-же встроенному усилителю явно не хватает мощности.
nu ti am mai vazut nici un videoclip inainte da dupa mobila,accent si dupa florile alea tipice cu ghiveci sigur esti roman
Ai un ochi bun, dar în loc sa fii atent la clip ai fost atent la mobila și flori? Glumesc! O zi minunata sa ai!
Try ground zero 30cm! Please! Or skar
Great😍👍
Very interesting! ❤
Glad you think so! Cheers
80 dBA on 40 hz is the absolute worst dogpoop I've ever seen lol, and yet people still think JBL Partyboxes are good....
I assume that without the airleaks that you adaptater have it would be way louder and most important have waayyyy less air leaks sound
en pocas palabras deja el original..!!
changing out a 400 watt sub to a 1000 watt sub without changing the AMP does nothing 😂🤣
3:25 что за приложение для проверки bass?
If original woofer have 3.7 ohm and you put an 5 ohm woofer will have lower power then 3.7 one
Yes.
Bass test ION Boombox I got 1 at this cheap sale store in Fresno
Ultimate-ul nu cred c-ar avea nevoie de vreo îmbunătățire,cel puțin la ora actuală.
Увлажнитель воздуха надо с ультрафиолетом туда поставить и чихать😂
cool😍😍😍😍😍
whats name of music?
name the music please
what its the name of the music
não sabia que o Matheus da dupla Joge e Matheus gravava esse tipo de video!, kkkkkk
Ok this man has power handling capacity to power output of an amplifier you won't get anymore power output for a sub without a bigger amp it's not like dual voice coil subs where u can lower the impendence of the amplifier to output more power, it's also not good to run car audio in home stereo set up
and my 10 euro JVC stereo with some no name speakers I got for 10 euro and a 5 euro subwoofer still produces more bass.
Gawd dam 🤦🏻♂️ just because its rated at 1400rms, doesn’t mean its going to be better 😂. You need a bigger amp to push it 😂
The JBL car sounds harder, I listened to the video with the car audio system, I imagine that the disadvantage of the JBL car is in open air, in any case the partybox 1000 does not have much deep bass but rather it is dynamic bass "fake bass"
So many audio experts where is the language translation
I think you get more decibles because the impedance of the original is lower than the other one
The amp wont push enough watts to run that subwoofer at its full
Look, Engineers from JBL already design those speakers to match the amp.. There is no such thing as better than the eom stock replacing it with other.
Yes, but it was nice to do these tests! Cheers
If the subwoofers db rating is lower or the same as the original subwoofer it wont be any louder.
How many more vegetables did you get😂 jk
От замены усилитель мощmytt не станет, да еще и сопротивление у него больше
Both subs are in same cheap category. Forget 1000W. 200-300W at best. Most 12' subs that can reach 1000Wrms will be dual voice coil. High power subwoofer will sound even worse if amp cant provide enough power to it.
EDIT: your 1400W subwoofer is 350W actually
Thanks for the info. I know but it was interesting to do that. Cheers
All you did was put a sub in that handles more power. It will be just be stiffer and play quieter at the low power level.
Dejalo como estaba, el que lleva original tiene menos impedancia, aprovecha mejor la potencia, no hace falta tocarle nada, por otro lado, está bueno mostrar esos experimentos, dañino, regalámelo a mí, están re caros acá esos bichos, ja, saludos
the underpowered amp still will be the same, with a 350w or 1400 or 5000w speaker...
You always want more amp power than the speaker is rated at… also driver sensitivity and enclosure play huge roles in sound and spl. Sorry to say but this was a pointless way to void the warranty.
You're right, but it was fun and interesting to do these videos! Cheers
Loud is cheap,quality of sound is much more important you can’t stick any woofer in a tuned box and expect good sound
Wtf did I just watch 😅
Dude, you have no clue how any of this works. .
Same speaker bro😮
Чем больше звуковое давление в децибелах тем громче! ☝️😌
А этот инопланетянин убрал нормальный динамик и вставил туда гораздо слабее под децибелам👎
Android what convertble
One tip. Never check ohms when speker lay updide down.
Why?
@@AudioTribe becouse u get wrong parameters, tri.
@@bomszanka Why is that? The coil is the same, it has the same resistance from an electrical point of view. Not sure what you meant but i'm sure you got that wrong.
@@lupuradu Put the terminals of your multimeter on the woofer's terminals when it's staying still and measure it. Do the same thing while moving the cone up and down repeatedly and you will get different measurements each time you push/pull it. GPT explanation: When you push the cone of a subwoofer up and down, you're changing the air pressure inside the enclosure, which affects the resistance against the cone's movement.
Try a deaf bonce machete light r
*BASS JBL* 😃😭😃😭😃😭😃😭😃
Гений замерять громкость шумомером на басовом динамике😅
Ты забыл заменить усилитель))
Imi am dat seama ca esti roman imediat depe accent🤣
i saw the title and i jump tho the end of the video just to see his face when find out the resoult, yes the video is pointless, the amp power its the same, no matter the speaker, can be 100000000 watt, the amp will send the same 300W
Puterea care o scoate e tot 300 w doar e mai calitativ ca difuzor și cam atât
Tu esti roman dupa accent te iau😂😂😂😂
Prezent!
Egy reflex ládát így nem lehet hitelesen mérni...
Mate the new subwoofer with a more powerful amplifier.
This test is irrelevant if you don't. Or use a different subwoofer that has the same rating as the original.
Fica bom portencial de carro 2500 RMS pra este tipo não fica bom muito pesado pro som
уселитель не выдаст токую мощность
asta seamana ca un roman
Sau ca un om!
It in prove
Паша с 1мр
Swap it with a zv6
I don't have a grade ELA
😂
You are pure बलेल bro😂
KHM JBL
Yea let me replace a woofer that's has a minimum box requirement of 0.65 cbft with one that has a minimum of 0.95 cbft and expect it to do better lmfao this guy is clueless