Palpatine's final plan was incredibly messed up.
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- On the final goal of emperor palpatine and the dark empire. That and more for today's Star Wars Legends lore video!
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Guess I can go to bed 8 minutes and 45 seconds later
Same here lol!
Same
Wait… you can go to bed?
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Same lololol
So Vitiate's (Old Republic era) end-game was basically the same as Legends Palpatine:
- Gain immortality through dark side rituals
- Use external proxies to cheat death (clones for palpatine, people for Vitiate)
- Have an eternal empire (literally Valkorian) with a massive fleet of unlimited size
Only difference is Vitiate mentioned he wanted to try living all aspects of life, whereas Palpatine only wanted to rule.
Palps would've gone down that route eventually. I believe it was implied Vitiate simply got bored and decided to start RPing.
@@Korijenkins1414 True, we met Vitiate after he had ruled for like 1300 years, palpatine was what, 90 at the battle of endor?
Actually, he wanted to absorb all life In the Galaxy to maintain immortality and then move on to another galaxy and live different types of lives and repeat the process over again to the end of Universe. Then wait for another universe to form and start the process over again. Essentially he wanted to Omnicide on galactic scales for all eternity and then rest in between them to try different experiences. One of the things I always liked about him is that it seems that unlike palpatine, he really seem to understand through his experiences that nothing lasts forever and that despite how powerful he was his empires he built were never going to last in a long run because nothing ever does due to the forces of entropy. His opinion was that building empires or anything of scale is meaningless in the long run and that life should be enjoyed for what it offers him, and he would do so despite the fact that for him doing so would mean the death of countless beings throughout time.
So, both basically a normal "immortal ruler" plan, just with too many extra steps and personal fetish kinks?
@@TheArklyte In a sense yes. He said he wanted to be a farmer or a painter as part of his experiences.
Palpatine not actually being a Sith has really remained true, because he could never bring himself to raise an actual successor instead of a puppet. _Real_ Sith would see that as the fear and weakness it clearly was.
Bane would've murked his ass
He adhered to the sith philosophy but he himself was not loyal to the sith order itself.
Eh, I think the essence of being Sith is doing what you want vs. doing what's right/the will of the Force. In that sense, he's the ultimate Sith, unbound by the rules.
One line subverts this: "You will not stop me. Darth Vader will become more powerful than *either of us.* "
Unfortunately, yeah, all the rest of his behavior proves you right. Although, perhaps not, now that I think about it, because the whole point of all of that was the total destruction of the Jedi. And, at the time, that had, in fact, come to pass.
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His ambition left unchecked basically means death for the universe.
It wouldn’t be death for the universe.
@@UltraBrian perhaps not but for some planets it would be like dac for instance.
@@UltraBrian Might as well be. We'd all just be zombies that feed him our energy under his power.
Palpatine would plan to return, somehow.
This would’ve been a great what, if instead of rise of Skywalker, it’s gonna be his plan B or a this would’ve been better than rise Skywalker, if you told anyone
Star Wars humor consists of like 10 jokes that have so disgustingly overused that’s is genuinely annoying to see ts
I am once again reminded how incredible the sequels could have been by just literally adapting legends material faithfully. They clearly had people on the team who were *very* passionate about the lore as we see a lot of the reall small but meaningful details have *tons* of care and esoteric lore knowledge put into them, so it would basically be a foregone conclusion that it'd have worked and worked well
It's kind of a shame that it never became that. Though in my opinion I kinda prefer what Lucas had in the idea of the sequels.
Yeah really, Disney had the background work done on like 45 movies for them by insanely passionate fans and tossed it all out.
@@Deltarious to be fair, even the prequels betrayed the source material pretty badly. Political intrigue was always all well and fine to me, but I personally find everyone who's anyone in the galaxy has clone slaves who get sick of it and revolt much more interesting/potential for excitement
In place of the Empire and the New Republic, Palpatine planned to bring about a new form of galactic governance. He would use the dark side to control everything and everyone in the galaxy. What's more, he was capable of it.
--Official Starships and Vehicle Collection #64
He's Palpatine! He's completely insane so it's not surprising
6:06 well on youtube there’s a supposed deleted scene of a new hope that takes place in the death star meeting and the mention the word “Sith Lord”
Something I liked about the new thrawn novels was how Timothy Zahn had Ar'alani speak from an outsider's perspective of the Emperor. To the Chiss, Palpatine was a near mythical figure. She essentially shares with Thrawn that the Chiss believe/fear that Palpatine can read minds and see across the Galaxy like an omniscient god. Of course in the Dark Empire series, Palpatine does exhibit (demi)Godlike powers.
Palpatine has been a psychopath since birth, him doing messed up plans make sense ;-;
"As he ascends to some other plane. But that's all for today"....
Dude
I know, right?
I know I had nothing to do with this, but I’ve been asking for this for a while! Amazing video as usual, Eck.
#AskEck We know that Plagiues helped fund the production of the clone army. We know dooku as Sifo Dias placed the order and we know Palpatine planned to use the clones have a war. But I doubt palpy forsaw kenobi just so happening to know a certain 4 armed chef who just so happens to know what planet a dart came from and kenobi just so happening to be skeptical of Jedi archives and stumbling on kimino. My question is, how did Palpatine originally plan to introduce kimino and the clones to the republic without it raising suspicion. Was a army in the millions just going to show up infront of the senate like “yo a dead Jedi placed a order so here you go have fun”
I think he was expecting to all Jedi other than Anakin to pretty much die, and then present Clone Army to the significantly weakened Jedi (since most of their high council and significant fraction of their master would be dead on Geonosis). And order 66 would most likely happen AFTER Anakin would finish all CIS command as one of few Righteous Jedi, and the rest would be somehow presented as traitors (since in EU it's not unseen of large Jedi fractions being actual traitors).
The original plan seemed to have been, to have used the Trade Federation to violate Senate-backed rights to discredit Republic institutional ability to problem-solve, driving division; and at the height of everyone's frustration, launch a massive, preemptive attack via the CIS across the mid-and-outer rims, that would have done horrific damage. The strike would have discredited the power of the Jedi to keep the peace, especially if the Jedi had failed to relieve Naboo, at which point he would have introduced the Clone Army as his solution, allegedly through Jedi channels. Even if the Jedi themselves were suspicious, it would have driven the Jedi to internally scrutinize themselves mid-war, potentially damaging their cohesion.
The war from then-on would have proceeded much the same way, with the whole point and intent behind everything being to maximize political advantage and Jedi deaths. The Republic was going to become The Empire one way or another, and the CIS, even if everything had gone according to plan, would have been put down like a dog too old to hunt anymore, thanks to Palpatine having the shutdown codes to the droid armies.
Well, dark empire makes so much more sense now… I didn’t realize it was released alongside the Thrawn trilogy to test the waters of the Legends timeline
Good to know the next time someone rants to me using dark empire as an excuse to make the Thrawn Trilogy look bad
Wait… so in the end, Palpatine wanted to be interned on the golden throne?!
Whats Scarcer is that someone told me george lucas stated that dark empire palpatine is weaker that the one vader killed.
I have the dark empire source book some where. I will have to dig it out a and look at it .. Bit of a rpg nerd back in the day.
At this point I'm hoping the current plan is to have Thrawn successfully reconquer the galaxy with Ahsoka being forced to seek out another entrance to the world between worlds in order to retcon the Disney trilogy, which is currently the post-Thrawn timeline, in order to bring it into alignment with the post-Imperial era seen in Legends with Mara, Luke and the Solo twins.
This would satisfy fans as they get to see Thrawn achieving an ultimate victory yet still getting his "et tu Brutae" moment just before Ahsoka changes history. This allows the character to reappear in the new continuity as well.
Hmm, I found your lack of the doggie clip at the end...disturbing. :)
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@@matrix-5466 pretty sure Justin mentioned he had changed up the outro music to avoid being demonetized, and it HAS been different since then. But this time there was no outro, no cute doggie. And Lord Vader is...displeased. :)
Very true.
*Any* return of Palpatine undermines the saga.
#AskEck
How do security cameras work in Star Wars? We’ve seen plenty of instances when they’ve been used in both canon and legends, yet heroes are often in situations like imperial bases (even the Death Star) where they lack any detection when cameras would be a logical necessary security measure.
FTL technology is mature to a point that not only is it basically a commodity that can be traded on a ghetto planet like Tatooine, but they have sensing technology capable of tracking objects moving FTL.
Why don’t they have people tracking sensors in their ships?
I feel like this video conveys his plan much better than the actual comic lol
Cut scene at the 4:00 minutes mark. What game is that from?
canon fans: dark empire sucks
legends fans: dark empire sucks
Canon Sidious is just an evil sorcerer. Legends Sidious is basically a deamon in man's flesh from birth. As imlied in both Dark Empire and the Plagueis novel.
Dark empire was such a strange series, and I love to see it covered. The art in the comics was amazing
Oh man I wanted to see him play with the cute dog in the ending
I got a video idea if you're interested? So basically what if all the nations that participated in world war II (including the Axis powers) went up against a CIS invasion fleet. Of course they wouldn't go up against the capital ships but I'm talking about the ground units primarily.
It actually goes even further than insofar as Palpatine ultimately wanted to expand what he was doing on the world of Byss to everywhere else in the Galaxy ( and presumably the rest of the universe once he started conquering other galaxies ) and ultimately become a sort of universal space energy vampire that controlled the energy flows of all life in the universe and thus would be the embodiment of the Force itself in a way. The Empire was only an engine to spready misery and darkness across the galaxy/universe to increase the presence of the Darkside and thus his own power.
Edit: Ah, I see you saved that tidbit for the end of the video, good stuff.
#askeck How do non force users in the galaxy align themselves with different sides of the force? People in the galaxy say the words "May the force be with you" and such so there are obviously people who believe in the force and plenty who have seen Jedi and Sith fight each other. But how do their values align with this. Who exactly during the era of the old republic chose to fight for the Sith?
Well, a real life example would be the nazi's, or other conquering empire's throughout history. It simply was in their interest to build an idealistic world that benefited them and only them, and they genuinly thought that what they where doing was the right thing to do, or in their rights to clame so. There are ofc other reasons to why people side with evil ofc like desperation, fear or greed.
One thing to keep in mind when it comes to this sort of thing is that morality is a subjetive subjet, which means there is technically no such thing as good or evil, only perspectives, and perspectives can and will be manipulated by those in power.
So, in conclusion, its honestly not that suprising how so many people in the star wars galaxy or in real life for that matter who are totally willing to side with what we refer to as evil factions.
Congrats on being one of the few people ever to pronounce the word "ichor" correctly (in my opinion) :D
so palpatine's endgame was to essentially sucking out the force within the galaxy if not the universe for his own power like how the rakata's star forge did by feeding off the dark side
I should read Dark Empire again. It was hokey and silly sometimes, steampunk spaceships anyone? But the hand drawn and painted art is spectacular.
do a run through of the audio drama if you haven't, really good
that's the only version I've ever had
In a way that's actually explained Palpatine returns
#AskEck What did Palpetine mean when he says it’s not the first time he died, was he already in a clone body at Endor?
That seems to be what he's implying. That he'd already successfully used Essence Transfer to inhabit a new body by that point.
Bottom line. Sidious was no Nihilus, he was no Vitiate/Valkorion.
Canon: Palps clones himself to stay alive
Fans: This is terrible and trivializes Anakin's sacrifice
Legends: Palps clones himself to stay alive
Fans: This is so cool, how will Luke prevail?
Always been my biggest gripe. The sequels have a ton of flaws, but Palpatine cloning himself and using sith alchemy to persist in unknown space isn't one of them.
Nah dark empires cloning thing was very unpopular at the time too.
It is funny this section of legends was seen as iffy is now seen seen as well written compared to the last two sequels.
Degradation of writing and overall quality of everything around us.
#askEck
How does the scale of star wars function in lore? if there are trillions of beings on countless industrialised worlds why isn't there bigger fleets and armies? such is the empires fleet of 25000 star destroyers? how would they be able to control the galaxy with such a small fleet or why did they not attempt to make more.
All the citizenry was addicted to holonet dramas and social media
They had countless other classifications of ships as well, spread throught the galaxy, in far greater numbers than SD's. Smaller outlying territories systems would be maintained by a range of smaller, older, or cheaper vessels, with lower crew requirements like the Carrack, the Republic era Dreadnought, the Ton Falk/Quasar class escort carriers or the Victory Class line of heavy Frigates. Even with all that, they still didn't have enough to protect it all perpetually, a fact the rebellion exploited - and the unknown regions where hyperspace travel is near impossible covers a massive expanse of the galaxy, where neither the empire or anyone else maintained any form of control.
Star Wars just doesn't understand scale
25,000 spread over millions of systems. I think Lucas said the Old Republic was composed of over 20,000 member worlds... Even if you just guard the member worlds, that's only 1 or 2 per system.
Scale in SW isn't always consistent, but a Star Destroyer was a pretty impressive force by itself. You rarely needed more than one in a system. So dozens of them is a large fleet.
So, has there always been a plan to bring him back but Disney simply butchered it or was it only viewed as a possible adaptation among other scenarios?
It was a possible idea, disney pretty much tried to do a entire dark empire arc in one film.
@@annapocalypsezero4719
Which is ironic, given the Dark Empire series was one of the least liked aspects of post Endor Legends material. Yet that's what they went with 😅
So his plan was to turn into the 40k God Emperor
Can you make a video about what the separatists were planning after the war? Did they have plans for exploration or colonization? Did the corporate separatists actually believe palpatine would let them help him run the empire as the “great reward” mentioned in the ROTS novelization or did they think was he going to pay them off and let them leave? What about separatists like grievous? Mina Bonteri? Is there even any material that covers this? #askeck
Palp always have plans noone knows about until years after it was planned definitely all about the long game. This mofo would plant a redwood tree and wait for it to fully grow.
Luckily, that never came to pass!
-JMM
It was Palpatine all along!
So the Eclipse is roughly _25 miles long?!_
That's more than twice as long as the city of Miami is wide!
He smiled he achieved his grand ambition, thanks to him and a pact made with an entity so Evil and cruel, he managed to achieve his true ambition. His Grand Plan achieved the heroes,which ones stopped him were dead, the Skywalker line finished. Now he waits and ponders, because the Entity is gone, having lost insterest or something he didnt care. Now the galaxy was ripe with incompetence and idiocy. He opened his eyes, he was reincarnated in his bloodline. Even that failure served his plans in the end. No one was left to stop him and as he heard his mother speak: he smiled, for now it was just a simple matter of rising to power. It was inevetable fate.
It's pretty much a space version of the Final Empire from Mistborn.
So bro wanted control above all else. Yeah that sounds about right for him
I wonder if the writers of dark empire drew some inspiration from 40K. That emperor is kept alive by absorbing the energy of a 1000 psykers every day, much like palpatine draining the population of Byss to sustain himself
So basically a more sustainable version of emperor vitatae?
Is this AI at 3:30 or am a tripping balls….. Can anyone corroborate😭
The people walking are from a movie, I believe. The ships after that are from an old game or fan animation.
It is from Dark Forces 2
So, Palps was going to become the Emperor of Mankind in 40K. 🤨 sm
He’s not Papa Palpatine, he’s Skeevy Sheev!
I loved these comics and books from the 1990's
And Palpatine wept, for he had no more worlds to conquer
The Force found a live one in Palpatine. He brought them so much amusement trying to be God.
Considering it took the spirits of all the Jedi in history to restrain his spirit to the Netherworld of the Force even after being divested of a body in Dark Empire, the Force was probably less amused and more disturbed, especially by Sidious transforming its "Chosen One/Jesus" figure into his own Dark Enforcer and Right Hand and planning to do the same with the entire bloodline of the Force's child in mockery of it on his path to replacing it as the foundational force directing the flow of life and events in the universe.
I always wonder for characters like this what do you after that? Like you reach the highest level of power and authority possible for eternity. So now what? You gotta get pretty bored of that after awhile. I imagine you just purposely loosen your grip a little and allow a resistance to crush back into submission just for the satisfaction of doing something
#AskEck Why is it that in Revenge of the Sith, the B2 battledroids on Utapau have an extra red photoreceptor on their backs? I haven't been able to find an explanation or acknoledgement of this anywhere and was wondering if you had come across something that mentions it. Surely I can't be imagining this every time I watch the movie
Did Palpatine really name drop Ulec Qel-Droma? Was this before or after he and Exar Kun turned to the Dark Side?
Basically his dream plan was to become so powerful with the Dark Side that he could literally mind control armies of people, acting like an immortal psychic God Emperor. Think 40k
After the original series, the Dark Empire is the second best series
Long live the Empire!!!
Somebody should stop him!
Somehow palpatine returned...
While I dislike both versions of the Palpatine resurrection story, I actually really like the idea of Palpatine, being the avatar of evil, having an insatiable hunger for conquest. George Lucas made the point once that the dark side is never, ever satisfies. Palpatine would never have been happy or experienced contentment. He would have continued conquering and consuming until, eventually, link Ungoliant from the LotR universe, his greed would have caused his own self-destruction.
im curious, are the empire at war clips you playing?
#AskEck in the first few episodes of the clones wars do you believe the Malovalence could have destroyed the medical station by just turbo laser fire alone rather than target Skywalkers group
I remember reading some stuff about Dark Empire almost 20 years ago.. thought it was the dumbest major EU story, all the stuff people try to accuse the Vong stuff as, is what I feel about dark Empire, just edgy for the sake of it, too "comic-book-y" and just kind of undoes Endor and RotJ while not giving enough breathing room to fit with the rest of the EU at the time.
I maintain the thought that the movies were just a move by Disney to rewrite Star Wars to be what they wanted. I mean look at what they did:
1. Killed off the main cast: Leia, Luke, Han.
2. Eliminated the expanded universe.
3. Brought back Palpatine so that they could have their established heroes kill him.
All of it just reeks of a money grab via controlling the cannon, not an appreciation of the story.
#AskEck
The AT-M6 used by the First Order looked very cool, literally looked like an actual turtle. They used it on the "battle" of Crait and it seemed to dish out a lot of power for an upgraded AT-AT. It would seem capable of winning ground battles against the resistance, even considering the demilitarization of the galaxy.
Howcome the First Order never considered utilizing the AT-M6 a lot more against The Resistance on any other planet/system?
well, in order to understand that we first need to look at the state of the galaxy during that time and what the First order really was. The First order is a centralized faction of previous imperial remnant groups, and the reason why they managed to build the First order in the first place is because the New Republic was completely incompetent and corrupted from the start. There where stil many imperials in hiding within the political structure of the New Republic which continued to undermind The New Republic. This gave the First order time to build up their forces in secret. Because of this the Resistance was then formed to fight against the rising threat of the First order without having to be involved in the politics. However, this also means the Resistance where without New Republic backing, at least officially.
The First order did not want to attack the New Republic until they where ready, and the reason why they didnt show of their full strenght was to make them look like less of a threat and weaker then they really where. So if the First order used the AT-M6 in their skirmishes against the Resistance that would only give credibility to the resistance that the first order was way more dangerous then they had been led to believe. This is how the First order was able to destroy the New Republic with the Star killer super weapon and basically take control of the galaxy without really having to start another long war.
Thrawn's revenge mod gameplay?
#AskEck
How does it differ to use the dark side in contrast to the light and what makes it so addicting. Is it inherently dark to use your emotions to control the force even if love is the driving emotion?
That's an excellent question. Let me give you some insight.
The force is a spectrum, and what determines what aspect of the force you channel is in part on how you use it as well as what Philosophy you believe in. Intent is also pretty important too.
The Dark side is a self serving aspect, and is powered by your emotions, usually negative ones, like jealousy, anger, hate, or fear just to name a few. A Sith will master these emotions and can call upon said power by domenating it, like blowing a hole through a mountain rather then going around or over it.
The light side of the force is a selfless aspect, and those who use it usually only do so for protection or to help those in need. A Jedi dont see the force as something you control but more like a helping hand, like a fish useing a river current to get you from one place to another.
When it comes to love, that can be pretty tricky. Love can be a great emotional motivater to do good and to protect those you care about, but it can also be used against you like we saw happen to Anakin.
The Jedi from the time before the empire saw love as a tool for the dark side to manipulate, which is why they trained you from a very young age to minimize your emotional connections to your loved ones. The reason they did this is because you will run the risks of becoming biased, and thats a no no in the eyes of the Jedi because their philosophy is that ALL life has equal value to another. Its not that you weren't allowed to care for anyone ofc, but that you needed to learn how to let go of people when the time comes.
Picture this. You are a Jedi and you have a wife that you love. One day she gets kidnapped allongside a child, and then the kidnapper says that they are gonna kill either your wife or the child, but you can only save one person, who would you choose? your wife that you love? or the child that you dont know? in this example love can be used against you.
In Anakins example he saw visions of the future where his wife Padme was going to die in child birth and he was told that the only way to save her is to use the dark side . He is now pressented with 2 choices, use the dark side and its power to save her or to let her die as the visions told, but because he loved her he could not let her go, he therefore choose the dark side. (its a bit more to it then that but thats the short story)
#askeck apart from thrawn who was the best military cammander in the empire?
“I Made Snoke”
0:55 screw cannon anyway
I don't really think palpatine existed as a person anymore it was more the darkside wearing a skin suit. It wanted to consume all the energy in the universe.
#askeck what is the capital ship combat game that play in the background of your videos
It's called Empire at War - likely the Forces of Corruption sequel - but a modded version.
So Palpatine's plan was to pull a Yuuzhan Vong?
Man so much of the new canon is just a poor rehash of the old stuff.
What about all your videos on how its the Jedi’s fault?
A modern author could rewrite Dark Empire as a more grounded story
Or make it lame and Gae, placing diversity checks and characters that is not needed.
Nah leave it alone as the original writer quite recently died its more respectful to let it be.
@@annapocalypsezero4719 True
#AskEck
Now that you mention Byss and the ‘citizens’ on Byss, can you tell us about the Alderaanian refugees who were relocated to Byss. The proces, their every day life and what happened to them in the end?
Heh every plan of Palatine is messed up tbh.
When Palpatine became Emperor" his goal isn't politics anymore.🤔
Palpatine is a visionary he is an inspiration and our rightful galactic ruler. Long live the Empire down with thou rebels
Palpatine's final plan...
SO FAR...
Somehow,
he'll return... AGAIN🤮
Yeah no Sith Lords like palpatine because palpatine is a clout chasing demon I agree with Darth Malgus plot of assassinating palpatine
He had a plan?
#AskEck What are your thoughts on the various legal systems in Star Wars?
#AskEck do jedi ever jack it?
as funny as this comment is, i will give you a serious answer lol
the answers to that is some probably did yes. However, it probably depends on what species they where, as i cant imagine that sexual desire is the same for every species, but most of them where probably trained not to fall for that temptation because it requires discipline to refrain from such activitis which you need to be a jedi. Altho sexual desire is natural to feel, it could also be seen as something selfish which goes aganst the how the jedi operates.
#askeck can you do a video about the food in Star Wars?
Emperor Palpoutine
Palpatine was counting on there being a fascist heaven to get into 🤣
Somehow...
I was flabbergasted by how ridiculous the plot was. It was unrealistic even by sci-fi/fantasy standards. What a joke
Degradation of clone bodies?
Loool! That sound a lot like Final Fantasy VII Crisis Core plot.
Maybe FF stole it from Star Wars.
It's such a common trope I feel like it must have been around even before Dark Empire ( probably in one of the old scifi magazines/comics ) but it would be cool if DE were the originator.
@williamhenning4700 I mainly became a Star Wars fan from Final Fantasy since it has taken a lot of inspiration from SW (especially the older ones)
Suprise Pikachu face
You pronounce "omnipotent" strangely. Its one word, not "Omni" space breath period pause "Potent".