Why Palpatine HATED the Most Powerful Sith In all of Star Wars

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  • @ascanius398
    @ascanius398 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +383

    Vishiate didn't want a universe of the dead. He wanted to absorb all the force in the galaxy, to essentialy become a god. He then planned to visit other galaxies and to enjoy living different lives forever. Here is what he says about it.
    Hero of Tython: "If you kill everyone in the galaxy, you'll be Emperor of nothing. What's the point of all this?"
    Sith Emperor: "You discern a fraction of reality. Beyond these stars exist other galaxies, other worlds, other beings. I will experience or ignore them as I wish. I will spend eternity becoming everything: a farmer, an artist, a simple man. When the last living thing in the universe finally dies, I will enjoy peace and wait for the cycle to begin again."

    • @timothyvanhoeck233
      @timothyvanhoeck233 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Vitiate

    • @ascanius398
      @ascanius398 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@timothyvanhoeck233 thx.

    • @brodyestes2376
      @brodyestes2376 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

      Really goes to show how free vitiate was. There was truly no morals that could shackle him, he simply was a force of nature that couldnt be stopped. Crazy to think that if the outlander didnt stop him then he would have suceeded

    • @Beastly_Genius
      @Beastly_Genius 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Well damn apparently I’m Darth Vitate 😂

    • @patrickfogarty9362
      @patrickfogarty9362 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@Beastly_Genius lol same

  • @grt1769
    @grt1769 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +706

    Imagine being so horrible the Jedi and the Sith are like : "Damn, this guy sucks".

    • @SuperSonicSenna
      @SuperSonicSenna 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +78

      The Sith are in the empire business, NOT the apocalypse business! Valkorion is just the worst lolololol!

    • @involuntaryanalysis
      @involuntaryanalysis 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      Pretty much just Vitiate, and Nihilus, both of which are a bit anomalous for Sith Lords.

    • @Iroh10800
      @Iroh10800 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      ​@@involuntaryanalysisnihilus was scarier tbh. Draining planets. Force wound.

    • @shironeko5183
      @shironeko5183 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      @@Iroh10800 Vitiate did the same. x)

    • @involuntaryanalysis
      @involuntaryanalysis 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      @@shironeko5183 yeah, but Nihilus had that eldritch abomination vibe, while Vitiate was just proto Palpatine.

  • @imjaylen6461
    @imjaylen6461 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +136

    Vitiate: "I'm too good for the darkside"
    Palpatine: "Whao whao, calm down bro"

    • @emanuelperez3595
      @emanuelperez3595 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Do you imagine that actually Papa team is a huge fanboy but lies about it because he's ashamed to admit that there's no way he can top or even come close to him. So in this weird act of denial he will always just talk Like that's it is not worth my time ironically

    • @markusbarten455
      @markusbarten455 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      The weird thing is that Vitiate did conquer the inherent self destructiveness of the Sith. Something the rest of order could only approximate with the rule of two and even than only if you adhere to the new lore that it exists to basically create one giant amalgation of all the previous Sith masters.

    • @abstraction6212
      @abstraction6212 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Vitiate ain't wrong

    • @analothor
      @analothor 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Palpatine: "and i took that personally"

    • @merikano2985
      @merikano2985 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Vitiate: "So you don't like me because I destroyed planets?"
      Palpatine: "No! Because you weren't efficient about destroying them! Space stations, not Force powers! Also I like my Coruscant Brandy. I want immortality AND my D*CK sucked! That is why you are an abomination!!!!!"
      Vitiate: "There was this one thing called the Star Forge..."
      Palpatine: "Go on..."

  • @TK199999
    @TK199999 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +243

    Vitiate peace was the peace of the grave, while Sidious's peace was the peace of the gun.

    • @D2attemp
      @D2attemp 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Well said!

    • @luciferneverchanges5841
      @luciferneverchanges5841 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      gun pointed at you but yes.

    • @GreatFox42
      @GreatFox42 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That's a great quote.

  • @BeethovenIsGrumpyCat
    @BeethovenIsGrumpyCat 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +306

    There are striking parallels between Valkorion and Sidious in Star Wars and Melkor and Sauron in Tolkien's Legendarium.

    • @EmperorCaligula_EC
      @EmperorCaligula_EC 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

      But the same differences. Melkor hated the created world, he tossed over mountains, emptied oceans and was just that: a destroyer. Sauron wanted to rule, like Sidious, not over a dead, empty world.

    • @AndresSztaba
      @AndresSztaba 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      That's because Tolkien's universe is so superior in every sense of the way to any other fictional universe that most of them take off of in something, Star Wars being one of those...

    • @ascina
      @ascina 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@AndresSztaba You mean Tolkien stole from Star Wars? Lol lotr fanboy detected opinion rejected

    • @AndresSztaba
      @AndresSztaba 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@ascina The other way around. Middle Earth is a FAR superior universe than star wars, no argument about that...

    • @ascina
      @ascina 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@AndresSztaba The other way around. The Star Wars universe is WAY and FAR MORE SUPERIOR of a universe than that of Middle Earth’s. no argument about that….

  • @albino5995
    @albino5995 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +105

    Sidious rules for 50 years and Vitiate ruled for several 1000 years…..big difference right there

    • @thefollower2933
      @thefollower2933 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Sidious ruled for 23 Years

    • @headstrongbachelor3152
      @headstrongbachelor3152 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Vitiate never ruled the galaxy. He manipulated events for 1000 years but that's not the same as ruling.

    • @carlosgarcia9497
      @carlosgarcia9497 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yet Sidious is the Sith''ari bro.

    • @davidkellett3549
      @davidkellett3549 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Sidious was part of story line takes nothing away from his power

    • @SteamGrace
      @SteamGrace 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Vitiate didn't have to contend with Luke Skywalker.

  • @MidKnightOTC
    @MidKnightOTC 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    Tenebrae killed two planets effortlessly. Once when he was only a youth, and again when he was reviving his mortal body. The second time he only uttered a single word to do it.

    • @wolfox7776
      @wolfox7776 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      I still do not doubt he is the most powerful sith we know of thus far. Like who the actual hell actually manages to eat a planet's life force for breakfast, twice.

    • @Jarikraider
      @Jarikraider 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@wolfox7776 Darth Nihilus

    • @Humble421
      @Humble421 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@Jarikraider nah he isnt the creator of nihilus said he would to both vader and Revan nihilus just overrated because of that one feat

    • @proximityclockworkx1572
      @proximityclockworkx1572 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Jarikraider Except Nihilus was a slave to his hunger. He couldn't be very powerful unless he fed recently.
      Vitiate could do the same and more, but without the drawbacks.

  • @carnivoretrades
    @carnivoretrades 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +629

    Tenebrae is the most powerful by far if you ask me. It literally took the Alliance Commander, all of his top lieutenants as well as about 50 force ghosts (including Revan, Marr, and Satele) to finally defeat him. No wonder Sidious was jealous lol.

    • @takai1284
      @takai1284 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      Fax’s

    • @Watcherofprovidence
      @Watcherofprovidence 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +122

      I mean even the dark side itself hated him. Both sides of the force worked as one to take down a threat to not just the Galaxy, but the entire universe.

    • @samirsaweras231
      @samirsaweras231 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

      I like how you pointed out the game's content but remember first this all happened in Satele's mind. Second they only served as witnesses to his death. In the end it was the force itself that eliminated Tenebrae for reverting to his origonal self. At that point the force no longer had any use for him. Remember like Revan, the Jedi Exile, and the light side Alliance commander (SW/SI/JC/JW) had become conduits in the force like Zakuul and Oddessen containing both light side and dark side energy. They channeled yin and yang to become something more moving beyond the two warring sides. That weakling Sidious schemed from the shadows and never sought to improve after killing his master in his sleep. He trained only if he believed his apprenatices were strong enough to murder him. Sidious was no Sith he was an aberration an insult to the order and his death only served to bring them prosperity like when I killed that fool on Mannan in SWTOR (Light Side Sith Warrior).

    • @CommanderOfRussia1
      @CommanderOfRussia1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      It took every Jedi to ever exist to sacrifice themselves in the living force to stop Sidious (Dark Empire), if you’re using Vitiate at all who is entirely legends you have to take Sidious’ legends feats, which are second to not Luke. The novels also say word for word Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord ever, so there’s that.

    • @takai1284
      @takai1284 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      @@CommanderOfRussia1 brother that not even Canon

  • @jamest1242r
    @jamest1242r 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +242

    Not only did Vitate rule the galaxy but he wasn't only a Sith but fought against Sith and Jedi on both sides and laughed while doing it.

    • @FrostByte_06
      @FrostByte_06 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yet darth nox> both

    • @Tinywars
      @Tinywars 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That's what I thought.

    • @tickledpickle5671
      @tickledpickle5671 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@FrostByte_06 I caught that reference. good one!

    • @FrostByte_06
      @FrostByte_06 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@tickledpickle5671 thats not a joke. Its real. I mean ecen george lucas stated ancient siths were stronger than modern ones and even in legends the strongest version of sidious, sidious got beaten up easely by karness murrs ghosg and karness murs is nothing compared to nox vitiate revan etc.

    • @tickledpickle5671
      @tickledpickle5671 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@FrostByte_06 The reason I said that, was because at the end of the Inquisitor's main storyline in SWOTOR, A Dark side character gets that name. Darth Nox.

  • @alwaysplotting2096
    @alwaysplotting2096 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    Palpatine: Hedonist.
    Vitiate: Megalomaniac.
    Palpatine: Madman.
    Vitiate: Fool.
    The Force: SHUT! UP!

  • @Jesse-lo7nw
    @Jesse-lo7nw 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    The best video I've seen on comparison of Vitiate and Sidious. Different shades of pure evil. Loved the point that the Light Side requires surrender. Dark Side requires constant sacrifice and destruction.

    • @jconnor117
      @jconnor117 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Could see some real world parallels when it comes to Judeo-Christianity and Satanism. Christianity requires surrender Satanism demands sacrificing and destruction. Passion and Ambition is forbidden in the bible while Satanists live for lust and pleasure. Kinda see where I'm going with this without being too preachy.

    • @Jesse-lo7nw
      @Jesse-lo7nw 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@jconnor117My thoughts exactly! I would just tweak one thing though. God doesn't require you to let go of passion. Rather, through relationship with Jesus, God hones your personality, gifts, and passion to be in the Light. For service for God and people, selfless passion, coming from a place of love, not of greed or vain ambition.
      Another thing I thought of is that the Light always wins in the end. George Lucas said that the dark side was unnatural and a perversion of the Force. Similarly, what God intended for great good in giving his creations free will, a certain level of power, and access to some of his creation, was perverted by some of his creations, swinging the world into darkness, violence, and death. Yet despite this, the Light has defeated the darkness with a sacrifice of self and bringing redemption through the only one who could - Jesus Christ.

    • @jconnor117
      @jconnor117 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Jesse-lo7nw I like the way you think. It would take the child of the Spirit or Force to bring redemption to the Spirit or Force and in turn balance the Universe.

    • @ayceinquisitor190
      @ayceinquisitor190 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@jconnor117 the Satanism yall are talking about is mostly mythical and propaganda. Satanism as an actual structured religion is a confrontation of christisn hypocrisy. Maliciously easy for the preacher who holds no faith with his power to accuse others of wrongdoing to hide his own crimes. Christians also have a way more massive kill count over centuries than so called "satanists" in tiny murder cults. America, Africa and the Middle East have been drenched in blood by christian swords and bullets.
      Reckon with your own skeletons before bringing up "Satan" which is a much more modern invention.

    • @jconnor117
      @jconnor117 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ayceinquisitor190 You are a fool

  • @skaiaks8934
    @skaiaks8934 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    Tbf I'm yet to find a Sith that liked Valkorion. Like, he was definitely in the top when it came to most powerful Siths of all time, but some stuff he did seemed to be too messed up even for other Sith. Wouldn't be that much of a stretch to say he went beyond Sith and became something else.

    • @blackshogun272
      @blackshogun272 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      some of the stuff he did was akin to what an actual demon unleashed form the pit would do. To even the most psychologically damaged Sith, the bizarre experiments and treacherous grand plans of the old Sith Emperor pursued were unquestionably abominable.

    • @involuntaryanalysis
      @involuntaryanalysis 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Not a stretch at all, actually. Pretty sure that at one point or another Valkorion outright says he's beyond Sith, or something to that effect.

    • @FrostByte_06
      @FrostByte_06 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Darth nox> valkorion> palpatine in terms of strongest sith

    • @ASNS117Zero
      @ASNS117Zero 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@FrostByte_06 None of the TOR protagonists can solo Vitiate when Vitiate is actually putting his all into fighting. They *always* need outside help, either in the form of circumstances, or allies.

    • @FrostByte_06
      @FrostByte_06 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ASNS117Zero nox did. When valkorion tried to corript his body there were 2 bossfights. 1. With vaylin and second with valkorion

  • @SockTheUnicorn
    @SockTheUnicorn 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    The story of Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion is an extremely interesting and complex topic, the taste of it I got from the SWTOR video game has sent me down quite a few research rabbit holes. The idea that it took the alliance commander (who in their own right may have been a powerful force user such as darth nox/occlus/imperius, the wrath, the Jedi Barsen'thor or the Jedi battlemaster of that era) along with the force ghosts of Darth Marr (former head of the dark council before Valkorion killed him), Vaylin, Revan, Bastilla Shan and the millions of other people who the emperor fucked with. In addition to Jedi grandmaster Satele Shan, Sith lord Lana Beniko, Kira Carsen, Lord Scourge and many of the commander's other allies to finally completely defeat all three parts of Valkorion's soul is a testament to the true amount of power he held. In addition, the fact that his reemergence(s) were enough to bring people from pretty much every major power (Jedi, Sith, Mandalorians, The galactic alliance, the reformed infinite empire) together to defeat him also brings up the vast, vast number of lives he impacted. Those two points alone, not to mention all the other stuff I've found in the many wikis and video explanations I've found in my rabbit holes, keep leading me to more questions.

    • @robinsondermann6715
      @robinsondermann6715 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They say that the force itself acted against valkorion, since He manipulated it too much

    • @SockTheUnicorn
      @SockTheUnicorn หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@robinsondermann6715 exactly, like even the living force is just like "this guy's gotta go"

  • @kaiseropium
    @kaiseropium 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +148

    Vitiate lost his emotions the moment he became immortal, he lost his passion, imo losing that passion made him lose the key thing that would strengthen him, no passion, no conviction, just a hollow hunger needed to be filled

    • @SupersaiyanChristian
      @SupersaiyanChristian 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      good point. Passion is the first tenent of the Sith. without it, was he truly a sith? one could argue his passion for achieving godhood was one of them, but what did he have after that? not much.

    • @Snow19867
      @Snow19867 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@SupersaiyanChristian One could say that Valkorion followed the Sith code to the core . Through Passion (his Passion to become immortal) he gained Strength (he subdued the Sith Lords on Nathema) and gained Power, with his Power he created his Empire on Zakuul and gained Victory setting up his final stage to become free in his new host. But the Force had other ideas.

    • @DogmaticNonsense
      @DogmaticNonsense 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@SupersaiyanChristian Valkorion loathed the Sith though.
      He considered them to be incomplete and flawed, didn't he?

    • @ASNS117Zero
      @ASNS117Zero 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      It wasn't so much that he lost his emotions, as he lost his ability to *feel* - as I understand it, Vitiate actually genuinely lost like 90% of his ability to actually physically experience sensation after Nathema. That loss of capacity of sensation ended up being one of the biggest drivers toward his madness, since Vitiate's biggest drive is his desire to experience all things.

    • @starc.
      @starc. 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ASNS117Zero losing the previous form means losing the motivations (emotions) for what you wanted to do in the first place as if losing yourself what you were so it no longer makes sense that as a husk Vitiate would want to do the same things its like a new individual or a new species or whatever

  • @Cauin450
    @Cauin450 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    The Sith aren't known for brotherly love, perhaps?

    • @jconnor117
      @jconnor117 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      With that Rule of Two murder your master thing I think brotherly love is wayyy off the table.

    • @abstraction6212
      @abstraction6212 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      well if I were a sith, the kind of love id desire would be a megalomaniacal type of love that I desire to be admired for my power. The ego stroking idea

  • @johnhorton4436
    @johnhorton4436 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    If there is One Thing that is Good to Know About Palpatine as a Sith In Comparison To Vitiate Is Life Lives on under Palpatine where as if Vitiate won everything would Wind Up Dead

    • @life_is_a_myth
      @life_is_a_myth 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Not really. Would rather be dead than live as a slave though that's just me.

  • @Frightning
    @Frightning 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    9:00 Not quite what he said in swtor at least. He said that the universe was his to experience or ignore as he saw fit, and that eventually it would all end, and he would rest, waiting for it all to begin again. (He intended to live *forever* not just until the universe ceased to be. He would be there when another universe took its place, and experience that one as well and so on).

    • @alphamal6310
      @alphamal6310 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      True, but he'll have to destroy the Star wars universe first by consuming everything....Vitiate/Tenebrae/Valkorian believes in the multiverse theory....and wants to watch and/or experience from a higher plain.

    • @Frightning
      @Frightning 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@alphamal6310 Not quite what is implied in TOR. He simply intends to outlive it and be there when the cycle begins again.

    • @Ower8x
      @Ower8x 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@alphamal6310 Yeah that was not his implication his plan was to destroy the SW main Galaxy not the whole universe .... and then travel the Universe experiencing other galaxies ... until one universe ends and a new one begins naturally

  • @Watcherofprovidence
    @Watcherofprovidence 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +71

    Vitiate had no vision or true purpose for his power, he just wanted it. It was the ONLY thing that had any meaning to him whatsoever. Palpatine believed that the power he had made him the perfect Sith lead them to Galactic domination. Pure evil, yes but it was a purpose. Not to mention that Sidieous had a human side to him. Not in the sense that he had any good inside of him but the fact that he actually had hobbies like going to the Opera or writing books. He had a life outside of being the Emperor while Vitiate just wanted to be an absolute god in a universe of nothingness because he has no human sensations. I think it would definitely be interesting to actually hear what Palpatine thought of this madman. It also explains why he never tried to emulate any of his ideas to achieve more power and immortality, it made him immortal but any passion that Vitiate may have had before was gone.

    • @samirsaweras231
      @samirsaweras231 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Through Godhood the Emperor would achieve everything. Tenebrae saw himself above everyone so much so that nothing no one mattered aside from the Outlander (Wrath, Darth Imperious/Nox/ lesser degree 3rd Barsenthor Warden of the Jedi Order/Jedi Battlemaster) and his family. Yet all that would betray/not serve him were treated with contempt. Sidious was just a weak schemer who was able to trick his enemies into destroying one another and in the end destroyed himself. He also made terrible strategic moves with the worst being the destruction of Alderan. It was just as Leia said in Episode 4 a new hope. There's my thoughts sorry for the spelling.

    • @johannessimola1615
      @johannessimola1615 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I have to disagree from purely objective side sidus was never evil he always in his mind did see himself as the good guy while vitiate wanted to be everyone and no-one to feel everside. Also sidius being weak enough that ancient sith spirit nearly killed him while vitiate could devour them if he pleased and sidius did bad stuff for a reason meaning larger scale invasion and destruction of universer makes sidius a anti hero while vitiate is just purely true neutral as nothing which doesn't last for eternity never matters. only thinh which is evil is character who are evil for evils sake and understand they are doing evil.

    • @markcarpenter6020
      @markcarpenter6020 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      And sidious was wrong. The goal of the sith was to become a demi god. Not a lowly emperor.

    • @Watcherofprovidence
      @Watcherofprovidence 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@markcarpenter6020 Sidieous was only wrong when he was defeated. He was the Sith Lord, he had defeated the Jedi and had conquered the Galaxy. He was the first and so far only Sith to achieve it.

    • @markcarpenter6020
      @markcarpenter6020 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Watcherofprovidence so. Ruling the galaxy was never the goal of pre rule of two sith. It was a side effect of their goal of becoming a god. The rule of two made it their main goal.

  • @DarthCuddlefluff
    @DarthCuddlefluff 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I don't think that Palpatine would have been satisfied with just ruling everyone. He wanted to push the definition of domination. He wwas incapable of caring. If he could have put everyone's brain in a box that allowed them to only experience the worst pain without end and kept them alive and never used to it he would have because that much pain would have fueled his power. He wanted to rule over a galaxy of the utterly subjugated where he got to choose everyone's fate. He basically wanted the same thing Valkorian wanted except he didn't want to BE everyone. He wanted to control everyone.

  • @LordNightHowler
    @LordNightHowler 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Imagine Palpatine stumbling upon one of Valkorion's holocron. He could learn some pretty messed up shit.

    • @jconnor117
      @jconnor117 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I'd hate to stumble on Darth Nihilus' holocron if one was kept. That would be some messed up shit.

    • @FrostByte_06
      @FrostByte_06 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@jconnor117tulak hord> nilhus

    • @gman5052
      @gman5052 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Viatiate didn't keep holocrons. He didn't care.

  • @libertariandragon9142
    @libertariandragon9142 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +113

    Palpatine wanted to rule everything and everyone. Absolutely and forevermore. No short cuts.
    Tenebrae, on the hand, was perfectly willing to take shortcuts. He just wanted more power and didn't care what he had to do to get it. And eventually stopped caring about ruling over everyone.

    • @samirsaweras231
      @samirsaweras231 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      He had become so powerful that he believed he was a God. In the end the force chosen to dispose of him. Imagine a God choses a toy to play with and then dispose of when it gets bored. That is what happened. The mortis gods served a purpose but their actions proved to be their undoing while Tenebrae lost his purpose when he returned to his original body upon death reverting to the point of irrelevancy. Try to explain the mysteries of the force to someone like Kathleen Kennedy and you'll see the computing power some of these fans are working with.

    • @markcarpenter6020
      @markcarpenter6020 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      That made valkorian closer to the sith ideal than sidious. The sith ideal was to become a demi god not an emperor.

    • @robertbarrows6687
      @robertbarrows6687 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@samirsaweras231 ...did you really have to take a sexist, stupid jab at Kathleen Kennedy who DOESN'T write anything in the Star Wars universe she just supervises and produces? Seriously are the Disney haters this stupid on what Kennedy's actual role is?

    • @samirsaweras231
      @samirsaweras231 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@robertbarrows6687 It's not sexism I genuinely believe that she the person is a fucking moron. I can have that opinion and not hate women. Gender doesn't or at least shouldn't matter your qualifications are important and she proved that she doesn't understand Star Wars. The Disney trilogy was an unmitigated disaster in my personal opinion.

    • @libertariandragon9142
      @libertariandragon9142 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@markcarpenter6020
      The Sith ideal is the acquisition of power at whatever cost is deemed necessary. Not necessarily to become a god. It is a valid path to power sure but there's a reason tenebrae eventually died.
      With that in mind their both equal when it comes to how close to the Sith ideal they are. The path to power the two chose was simply two different but very valid paths for Sith ideals. What matters to Sith ideals is power, political or Force based it doesn't matter.

  • @DMBLaan
    @DMBLaan 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +72

    Palpatine may have been a better Sith, I'll give him that. BUT in terms of power, both focused and raw power, he could not hope to even touch Vitiate.

    • @newhybrid101
      @newhybrid101 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Except they have similar accolades, Sidious by ROTS and ROTJ is stated as the most powerful Sith lord in all of history.
      Authors placed Sidious alongside Vitiate in statements
      Sidious explicitly learnt of what Vitiate could do from Plaugeis telling him.
      Finally as said in SethTheProgrammers video there was Twitter statement from an author that said they are relative in power.

    • @YuviSG02
      @YuviSG02 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Isn't Sidious literally stated to be the strongest sith in history?? Only ones on his level or above are Yoda and the Skywalkers.

    • @DMBLaan
      @DMBLaan 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@YuviSG02 Of the Rule of Two Era, it's a lot fuzzier when comparing him to Old Republic Era Sith and older

    • @YuviSG02
      @YuviSG02 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @DMBLaan I am pretty sure the statement just calls the strongest sith or the strongest sith in history. There is no mention of rule of 2 era. Plus he is the rival to Yoda (most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known). Based on narrative, Sidious should be far superior

    • @DMBLaan
      @DMBLaan 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @YuvrajSingh-lx6lu like many things, there are retcons upon retcons, for better or worse. The Old Republic Era wasn't really fleshed out until after Epiode 2 came out. So I admit this is technically more of an "opinion" than a "fact", but if you compare the 2 together as they were at their most powerful points, there's really no way Sidious is stronger in the Force than Viciate

  • @MicroShelterGuy
    @MicroShelterGuy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Love your videos !!! Keep it up bro!!!

  • @olof1382
    @olof1382 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    you are really the yapping master, 2 minutes in and you have only said the same information but in new words for 2 minutes straight

    • @alexmcintosh398
      @alexmcintosh398 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      And did not mention one time how palp hated vitiate. 10 minutes of yap.

    • @olof1382
      @olof1382 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@alexmcintosh398 yeah its almost impressive

    • @j.b.fsomin7242
      @j.b.fsomin7242 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No PFP, opinion invalid, get back to studying.

  • @mrvwbug4423
    @mrvwbug4423 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    To Sidious power only meant something if he could wield it in such a way that others would fear it. To Vitiate it meant wiping out existence entirely, to literally be the only being in the universe.

  • @Matixsb
    @Matixsb 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    I will always repeat
    Strongest -> Valkorion
    (No. 1 in terms of Force Capacity, Power Output and highest Survivability, his only problem was that in his madness his desire to "go beyond all" lead him to ignore all that he already left behind and bellow)
    Greatest -> Darth Sidious (while slightly weaker in terms of Force Capacity, his skill resulting from acumulation created by rule of two could enable him to combat Valk, he never tosed away power granted to him by having folowers/subordinates, altough he still had shown some ignorance by underestimating few individuals)
    Most Complete - Darth Revan
    (Might edit revan part in the morning... my timezone is well past midnight

    • @starc.
      @starc. 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      doesnt full potential anakin (not the half body vader form) outpower sidious?

    • @Pandemia616
      @Pandemia616 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@starc.Full potential Anakin is not a real character. He doesn't exist.

    • @starc.
      @starc. 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Pandemia616 Vader is also a fictional character that doesnt exist

    • @Pandemia616
      @Pandemia616 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @starc. What? Full potential Anakin does not exist as a character in Star Wars. He is a hypothetical idea. How dense can someone be, seriously.

    • @starc.
      @starc. 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Pandemia616 i'm still keeping my question

  • @cnoyes72
    @cnoyes72 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I sometimes wonder if maybe Palpatine pushed for the death star to use it to feed on mass death to be come immortal much like Tenebrae did to Nathema with Zildrog.

    • @Ronnie_Darko00
      @Ronnie_Darko00 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Or darth nihilus

    • @ianferguson6244
      @ianferguson6244 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      No, it was intended for what was stated: the capacity to kill a planet. He made it because he wanted to focus more on fully studying the Dark Side than running his Empire and delegate the running of it to the Moffs, Governors, and Vader. Mind you, he wasn’t giving up any power and Tarkin suspected that Palpatine had something planned in the event that whoever ran the Death Star tried to overthrow him but he wanted to not have to run the Empire.

    • @cnoyes72
      @cnoyes72 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ianferguson6244 That's one opinion. At this point probably doesn't matter, the sequels ran this property into the ground.

  • @xHASSUNAx
    @xHASSUNAx 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "He was in constant, excruciating pain, with no way to numb his senses" wow just @ me next time

  • @taboovsknowledge1603
    @taboovsknowledge1603 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Vitiate is like a black hole. He was the singularity of the all power.
    If he was everlasting and vacuumed up all energy, force, life, even gravity.
    Then, he just was there, in space, doing nothing.
    Is that winning? Is letting everyone continue to fight good?
    The end all option is peace?
    Who's insane?

  • @JoeMoody-v3k
    @JoeMoody-v3k 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Sounds like palpatine was jealous of valkorian in my opinion

    • @ProWalter2
      @ProWalter2 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I totally agree. There is power that Vitiate wields that Palpatine can only dream about.

    • @aaronconway5404
      @aaronconway5404 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@ProWalter2 Sidious is the most powerful sith ever. It's not a debate.

    • @ProWalter2
      @ProWalter2 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@aaronconway5404 I disagree with that, Vitiate literally possessed an entire planet and drained it of all of its force essence like darth Nhilius, pretty sure palpatine couldn't do that.

    • @aaronconway5404
      @aaronconway5404 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ProWalter2 it's not something to be disagreed with. It's just how the lore of SW is set out.

    • @ProWalter2
      @ProWalter2 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @aaronconway5404 I mean, I absolutely can disagree with it, that's why I can give opinions. You can think that Palpatine is the most powerful sith lord, I am not obligated to agree with that.

  • @COACHWARBLE
    @COACHWARBLE 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    The rule of 2 was an embarrassing system. The Sith spent 1000 years planning to rule for 27 years? The jedi lived in temples and flew starships while the sith were in the shadows.

    • @kirkdavis2881
      @kirkdavis2881 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Plagueis was a multibillionaire financier, Tenebrous was a multimillionaire ship designer...they didn't live in the shadows.

    • @virtualrealityfitness283
      @virtualrealityfitness283 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Rule of one

    • @wildcaveman5310
      @wildcaveman5310 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      By the time Plaugeis comes in the true philosophy of rule of 2 had been lost. The fault was not the philosophy but the individuals who carried it out.

    • @shironeko5183
      @shironeko5183 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@kirkdavis2881 Did everyone know that they were sith?

    • @wildcaveman5310
      @wildcaveman5310 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bernardoayres1139 I take it you haven’t read the Bane trilogy. It is by far one of the best book series out there. It will change the way you think about the Rule of 2.

  • @Titant2
    @Titant2 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Valkorion is a copy of Palpatine, from a game that i doubt is cannon.
    It's why Palpatine doesn't mention Vitiate very often, most writers will write from the side of Disney whom won't touch the material.
    Maybe in the future they will, or a throw away line in a comic might be there sometimes. But in no way it's cannon.
    It's a good thing, because it's not perfect but at least disney won't ruin that universe.

  • @aster4jaden
    @aster4jaden 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    Wait what, this isn't about Darth Nox.
    Seriously though, I love this about Sidious how he never strayed from the Dark Side and achieved his state of power through purely Dark Side means, where as Valkorion embraced both sides and he still died in the end. Which his flawed thinking in embracing both sides, through the Dark Side he created a Sith Empire that existed for around 1000+ years and then created the Eternal Empire that lasted for like 5 years after he abandoned the way of the Sith.
    Valkorion disregarded the teachings of the Sith and look how that ended for him.

    • @DarthNox66
      @DarthNox66 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      What isn't about me?

    • @navyseal4000
      @navyseal4000 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@@DarthNox66 Goated

    • @DarthNox66
      @DarthNox66 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@navyseal4000 Yes

    • @samirsaweras231
      @samirsaweras231 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Starting off the EternalEmpire of Zakuul stood for about 1,000 years being founded by Tenebrae some time after the great hyperspace war ended.
      Through Godhood the Emperor would achieve everything. Tenebrae saw himself above everyone so much so that nothing no one mattered aside from the Outlander (Wrath, Darth Imperious/Nox/ lesser degree 3rd Barsenthor Warden of the Jedi Order/Jedi Battlemaster) and his family. Yet all that would betray/not serve him were treated with contempt. Sidious was just a weak schemer who was able to trick his enemies into destroying one another and in the end destroyed himself. He also made terrible strategic moves with the worst being the destruction of Alderan. It was just as Leia said in Episode 4 a new hope. There's my thoughts sorry for the spelling.

    • @DarthNox66
      @DarthNox66 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@samirsaweras231 Well, first off, Sidius himself said that Alderaan shouldn't be destroyed, it was Tarkin idea and he did this, not Palps. Second of, you are talking about Valkorion not Tenebre or Vitiate. Main difference is that Tenebre and Vitiate kina wanted to became a God of Death that could rivale Abeloth power (this was their plan, not an actuall reality), while Valkorion at the begining wanted same, but then, how Tenebre said this? He get distracted by lower things like family, Zakuul and finding worthy heir. Don't get me wrong, all 3 versions are pure evil, but Valkorion is most sane of them all. He really loved Senya in some way, and he wanted his sons to become worthy heir, and when they become a disapointment he chose Outlander, and depends which class you play (Im considering only Force Users):
      Knight: wanted Zakuul to blend in Republic and win against Sith Empie
      Consular: IDK, I didn't played, but probably read some books,
      Warrior: He wanted do restore and fix Sith Empire by getting read of egoistical Sith and make Malgus, Sidius and Marr vision to become true
      Inquisitor: Nox would probably the only one that Valkorion would call worthy as he is not atached to any institution like Republic or Empire. Nox wpuld most likely beat both Sith and Republic, United them, and make them weak enough to not start another war, we can say that, heh, he would creat an Eternal Allience.

  • @MSHKYT
    @MSHKYT 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I agree. Vitiate stopped following the rules of the Sith and created his own Sith empire and then created another empire elsewhere. He eventually stopped caring about the force. He believed he was above both the light and the dark side. He believed he was the master of the force.
    Palpatine didn't care about the laws of the Galactic Republic. He cared about some human life. He always remained 100% devoted to the Sith and dark side.

  • @johnhorton4436
    @johnhorton4436 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Well A thing to recall Palpatine saying I do not want to rule Over a Galaxy of the Dead if i am not Mistaken and that Being Basically what Vitiate wants Vitiate wants To Devour All Life In the Galaxy to Make Himself Into a God which would Include Vitiate Devouring Palpatine as well

    • @riperiver
      @riperiver 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That point is made to Vitiate/Valkorian but he retorts by making the point that the Galaxy they reside in isn't the only one

    • @ASNS117Zero
      @ASNS117Zero 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@riperiver Yeah, the fact that so few people know these details of the conversation is what proves to me that 90% of the people who comment on this subject never actually played TOR.

  • @sagittariusa7662
    @sagittariusa7662 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Valkorion: "You are nothing more than a pretender."
    Sidious: "You are nothing but something feeble and old, long past your prime."
    Valkorion: "Old? Far from it. You age, I live on forever. I am everything. You are nothing. The rule of two, now was it. A creation of that Darth Revan I take it. I am who created him."
    Sidious: "..."
    Valkorion: "Why even take on an apprentice? You merely need a new vessel if your old one becomes unnecessary. Rise beyond your station, seize everything, become everything. That is what it means to be a true... emperor."

  • @thedarkknight727
    @thedarkknight727 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    A fatal mistake many wannabe “Gods” tend to make across history is that of “Never Seek Absolution.”

  • @Sultan_Vader_VI
    @Sultan_Vader_VI 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Palpatine surpassed vitiate in Dark Empire

    • @Sultan_Vader_VI
      @Sultan_Vader_VI 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Vitiate never bent the essence of existence itself (the force storm), Sidious did. And a lot of his feats in SWTOR at least are on other planes of existence where it’s easier to do stuff, palpatine never had such qualifiers to his power.

  • @torbenfranke1859
    @torbenfranke1859 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Well, considering that sidious is the kind of man that needed to kill his own matter in his sleep, rather than a fight, I say his disdain for Vitiate was based on his lack of skill to reach the same heights. He couldn't reach the same level as his own master, manipulate the midichlorians into creating life. How was he supposed to reach the level of making the force his bitch like Vitiate? Copium is what Sidious is on. 🤣

    • @headstrongbachelor3152
      @headstrongbachelor3152 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Palpatine as emperor became the most powerful Sith Lord of all time. He saw himself as Sith'ari during the time he murdered his master.

    • @torbenfranke1859
      @torbenfranke1859 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@headstrongbachelor3152 and if I see myself as the god emperor of mankind, do I become it? Yoda warns about future visions. The future is always changing. Because ou see something it doesn't have to become real. He was powerful, incredibly so, but sidious was no vitiate, and ultimately got killed by an already weakened Vader, who got beat by his son.

    • @headstrongbachelor3152
      @headstrongbachelor3152 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@torbenfranke1859 Vitiate was no god. He was killed by Jedi where he then lived for 1000 years in different bodies without taking over the galaxy at all and eventually end in chaos. Sidious ruled the galaxy for 20 years and did it from his palace by using telepathy and force dominating mind combined and he eat a planet by force drain and created powerful force storms that could annihilate a planet. The way you talk about Palpatine reminds me of those who idiots who discredits Voldemort and say "Grindelwald is the most powerful dark wizard of all time" and "Voldemort could not take over a school". I can tell you shitheads from this backward society that just like Voldemort is the most powerful dark wizard of all time Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord of all time.

    • @headstrongbachelor3152
      @headstrongbachelor3152 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@torbenfranke1859 Vitiate was no god. He was killed by Jedi and lived for 1000 of years only because he transferred his essence to different bodies. He never took over the galaxy.

  • @davidaustin5622
    @davidaustin5622 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    With your birth comes a solemn vow: You will have nothing.

  • @serfera369
    @serfera369 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    THE SITH AND JEDI WERE WORKING TOGETHER!? That's wild bro.

  • @thedarkknight727
    @thedarkknight727 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    After reading chapter 408 of My Hero Academia. With AFO’s true origin story revealed, reminded me a bit to Vicious, and Palpatine. A “leach” ever since he was in his mother’s womb. Someone who sought “absolution” because his feeble mind made him genuinely believe that “everything” and “everyone” belong to him, and was his for the taking.

    • @FrostByte_06
      @FrostByte_06 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Darth nox> palpatine

  • @spursultra3158
    @spursultra3158 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    As evil as Sidious was he had a purpose, a belief that in his hands the galaxy would forever prosper. Sidious had a life he enjoyed beyond just being the Emperor and the pursuit of power. Vitiate was simply evil incarnate, even from birth he was an emotionless ruthless monster. Even before he performed the ritual that drained the life of everything on his home world, he was quite obviously a depraved psychopath, who only craved one thing, power. He didn’t care what he had to do to get this power. He would destroy anyone or anything to get it. He betrayed all Sith and the empire to build a new civilisation to destroy everything. His ultimate plan was to perform the same rituals he used on Nathema and Ziost on the entire galaxy. The ritual didn’t just kill everything it left the planet dead, no wind, no water, trees, even the force itself was drained. He would have been a being of unimaginable power but probably would have just continued to destroy life until there was nothing left in the universe. Vitiate really was the Dark Side made manifest. Sidious was a Sith not a maniac. He only ever talked about Sith he respected and believed he could learn things from. He didn’t believe there was anything to be learned from Vitiate, because he fundamentally betrayed what it meant to be a Sith when he decided to kill everyone. Like Sidious said, “I do not wish to rule a galaxy of the dead”. I don’t consider Vitiate as a Sith Emperor after he left it to begin his creation of the Immortal Empire. After that he was just the ultimate embodiment of the dark side.

    • @Morgunth86
      @Morgunth86 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Did you listened what that guy said in this video? When Palpatine said we shall have peace it was a manipulation, he had no belief galaxy would prosper under him. Valkorian is the one that sees himself as good guy, he believed he would bring permanent peace to galaxy, even if it is extremely twisted. If he killed everyone because there would be no one left and there would be no conflicts anymore, while Palpatine didn t want to kill everyone in the galaxy because he wanted to make citizens slowly suffer. If they were all dead he could no longer do that. I do agree about everything else you said tho.

    • @spursultra3158
      @spursultra3158 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Morgunth86 Yeah I do disagree somewhat, Palpatine wanted immortality to be able to rule the galaxy as he saw fit until the end of time. As much as he was an evil bastard, he didn’t take time out of his day to torture your average citizen. In truth all he wanted was absolute obedience and in return he would grant prosperity and order. Star Wars to me is a mirror of the wants and needs of the average person. George Lucas is a fabulous storyteller in the sense that he illustrates how easy it is for people to accept horrible things for order, security and prosperity I.e Nazi Germany. The Empire did some bad stuff but if you were completely obedient and loyal to it you would probably live a happy life. Most species and groups in Star Wars didn’t care about some alien groups being enslaved because most found ways of living in the Empire. Palpatine’s massive mistake was Wilhuff Tarkin, who is sort of a mix of Heinrich Himmler/Hermann Goering. Tarkin was a human supremacist, aristocracratic complete nut case. He believed that his terror doctrine would destroy any rebellion. When in fact the Death Stars bankrupted the Empire, and finally rallied the people who were happy with order under Totalitarian rule to action. Until the destruction of Alderann, the Rebellion didn’t have a chance in hell of winning. As soon as that peaceful loyal member of the Empire was destroyed because of Tarkin’s arrogance, the Empire was doomed. I actually think that Palpatine did mean it when he said “we shall have peace” without the Jedi or any obvious enemies that would be peace. Vitiate had no concept of peace, his peace was a universe of absolutely nothing, as Stupendous wave said. But nice to have some differing opinions, be well, hopefully Disney kill Darth KK before she destroys what’s left of Star Wars 👍🙏

    • @Morgunth86
      @Morgunth86 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@spursultra3158 Nah, Tarkin is the one that wants Order and Peace, Palpatine doesn t even have "Delusional" category on his Villains Wiki page. Which if you don t know is category for villains that see themselves as good guys.

    • @spursultra3158
      @spursultra3158 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Morgunth86 If you actually look at Legends and Canon, Tarkin is the one who orchestrates most of the massacres. I’m not saying that Palpatine was good, but the Sith had a belief in order through strength and power. After he wiped out the Jedi, Palps spent the majority of his time studying Sith alchemy and artefacts. He left all the Jedi hunting to Vader and the Inquisition, all the rebel hunting to Tarkin and his human supremacist allies. Palps pretty much decided that after Vader got beaten and mutilated that he was looking for a new apprentice. But also he started to develop his new Sith doctrine of the rule of one. So all his efforts went into finding immortality. You can’t always trust wookiepedia especially since they changed the canon. As far as I’m concerned Palpatine was Neutral Evil, rather than chaotic, in some respects he’s actually lawful evil. After he whacked the Jedi he just lived it up and built stuff, partied, went to the opera, and researched immortality. Only periodically surfacing to sort out a political crisis or get Vader back on track. Think about it, most Imperial citizens hated the Jedi and the republic, loved order and control. Most imperials were like Thrawn, they were fair, loyal and competent. It was Tarkin’s people and the ISB that were zealots. Also you can’t disagree that Tarkin stuffed up blowing up Alderann in canon and legends that was what made half the galaxy side with the rebels.

    • @Morgunth86
      @Morgunth86 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@spursultra3158 Would you care to explain why Palpatine is Neutral Evil? I mean it is true, but the fact you think he believes he is bringing peace to galaxy originally seemed like you think he is Lawful Evil. So could you tell me how can you say he is Neutral Evil despite the fact you think he believes he is bringing peace to the galaxy?

  • @glennfrith2804
    @glennfrith2804 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thank you for explaining it I think you done a good job, but I still prefer Vitiate.

  • @tallonmetroids271
    @tallonmetroids271 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think, if Sidious legitimately hated Vitiate, he'd have tested the Death Star, either one of them, on Nathema. Like, less as a "Ha! I blew up this idiot's homeworld" and more like "Oh, that was Vitiate's old homeworld? Eh, doesn't matter, the Death Star worked, and that's what matters right now."

    • @АлексейМомот-щ7о
      @АлексейМомот-щ7о 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That's what Palpatine wants you to think 😂 In reality he's thinking like Robot Chicken Sidious

    • @Sandlund93
      @Sandlund93 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He was way more strategic than to waste the destructive power of the Death Star on a dead planet that nobody knew existed or cared about. If he hated Tenebrae it was out of jealousy. This was a guy who conquered his home planet, as a 13-year-old, through brute Force. That's something Sheev never managed, he went the political route. Most likely because he had to resort to that, or he would have been hunted down and destroyed by the Jedi. He was a greater genius and more deceptive but he was simply not strong enough to gain influence in the way Tenebrae did. And he definitely didn't impact the galaxy for 1500 years.

    • @galacticfirefly6060
      @galacticfirefly6060 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think that's a Bad idea. Blowing up Alderaan is one thing, but a Planet that has Sith Tombs and Sith SPirits on it, is probably a verrrrrry bad idea.
      Same thing with Yavin4. It is known to have the Spirits of Naga Sadow, Exar Kun and many others on it.
      Imagine if the Galactic Empire succeeded in blowing up Yavin4.
      My Goodness, Darth vader and Palpatine will be Haunted for their entire life by angry Sith Spirits.
      A Good thing that Palpatine wasn't there. The jedi might've felt Alderaan's Destruction, but the Sith would sense Yavin4's Destruction like a Dagger stabbing in their heart.
      Sith should never destroy sith planets like Korriban, Ziost,... there is not evena clue if Nathema and Zakuul still exist in WIld Space. By the time of the Clone Wars they could already be destroyed or devoured by a Black Hole or SOmething. Wild Space is more unpredictable then the Unknown Regions.

  • @davidsmith7962
    @davidsmith7962 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Love your videos

  • @Gor85
    @Gor85 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Palpatine worshiped dark side. Surrendered completely to it. He thought in long term. Very long term. He waited 20 years to convert Anakin,to cause war,gain emergency power and to create his Empire. It was difficult to live in the galaxy under Sidious. Very difficult at times. But citizens and people were alive. With Vitiate they weren't. May the Force be with you too😊

  • @KuddlesbergTheFirst
    @KuddlesbergTheFirst 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Vitiate was great in his original body to young adult... But for thousands of years he is somewhat stagnant?

  • @gregphillipsel9906
    @gregphillipsel9906 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Another masterpiece of your creation

  • @ander2317
    @ander2317 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Feels to me there are two sides of the same coin. Both extremely similar and different in all the ways that would make them hate each other.

    • @ander2317
      @ander2317 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      When hear about Valkorion’s philosophy of the force and the sith, I can’t help but feel Sedious would have become him, eventually. Had he succeeded in achieving immortality on the level of Valkorion, I think it would have only been a matter of time. All that would have been left for him is the love of power, and maybe that’s why he truly hated Valkorion. He feared becoming as mad as him when he ultimately achieved his goal in the force.

    • @Valkyraw
      @Valkyraw 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ander2317 While that can be true, Tenebrae was straight up born an insane evil monster. The entire reason he even became Emperor of the Sith was because he wanted to use them to do the Ritual he used on Nathema on the whole galaxy. For that he needed: 1. time to study and create the necessary Ritual, 2. a huge sacrifice.
      The empire he had was perfect for it as he wanted to use it to wage war on the republic and thus create pain and death which he needed for the Ritual.
      Also he was able to hide behind the Empire and scheme in the background. Man.. he really was a monster.. One has just think about it.. This one madman manipulated 1500 years of galactic history. All the conflicts, all the pain and destruction was because of him.. and in the end even the Sith were terrified of him and wanted him gone.

  • @kirkdavis2881
    @kirkdavis2881 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Sidious did not work for the good of the Sith. He purposely held back Darth Vader and did everything he could to avoid being replaced by someone more powerful.

    • @starc.
      @starc. 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      its a self defeating philosophy where selfishness is a limiter that sabotages maximising potential

    • @joshuatoms7664
      @joshuatoms7664 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      If Vader was not strong enough to overcome his master's manipulations, then he wasn't strong enough to take his place. That's how it works.

    • @FrostByte_06
      @FrostByte_06 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thats why palpatine was weak af

    • @ComeAlongKay
      @ComeAlongKay 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@joshuatoms7664I don’t know if that’s what that means, if you hold back information they can’t get elsewhere I don’t know if that’s manipulation. Also the whole reason many of them turn is due to manipulation.

    • @clank0ta404
      @clank0ta404 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@joshuatoms7664 the problem with that is that Vader wasn’t trained to be cunning or deceptive, but as a tool and enforcer. Sidious’ training under plagueis and the rule of two was through deception and infiltration, while Vader was trained through trials and combat. Brains and brawn is how I would describe it. Sidious had eyes everywhere and was always steps ahead if Vader ever tried to secretly overthrow him. Which is why Vader always tried to kill Sidious through strength and power rather than elaborate schemes. Vader even at his fullest potential was never powerful enough to defeat Sidious and could only accomplish this with an ally that surpassed his power and rivaled Sidious’. Attempting to undermine Sidious’ manipulation was never in the cards for Vader.

  • @dosmatrix4470
    @dosmatrix4470 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Valkorion is an excellent character and the Swtor mmo cinematics are unmatched in story telling.

  • @headstrongbachelor3152
    @headstrongbachelor3152 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    3:20 That's not true. Palpatine also mastered essence transfer and he created clone bodies for his essence to be transferred to, so his immortality was far more secured in oppose to Vitiate who had to live in constantly risk of ending in Chaos. If Palpatine's clone bodies were not destroyed he would have lived forever.

  • @DarthNox66
    @DarthNox66 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    IMO Dark Council with Darth Marr, Sidius, Malgus, Wrath, Acinna, Nox, Lana Beniko, Bane, Revan, Wrath, Dooku and Tulak Hord would be perfect Sith Rule.

    • @Arutemysu
      @Arutemysu 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Revan was more in a limbo than being a sith though

    • @DarthNox66
      @DarthNox66 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Arutemysu Revan was what Sith could and should be, a fighter with purpose that is not about him

    • @jagd7102
      @jagd7102 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sidious would never share power, same with Bane and Tulak Hord. The rest would unironically make a good society. Though really you just need Lana and Marr.

    • @DarthNox66
      @DarthNox66 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jagd7102 It isn't abour sharing power, but building better Sith Epire, and in that Bane and Hord are really good at

    • @jagd7102
      @jagd7102 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @DarthNox66 Bane is completely opposed to the idea of a Sith Empire as it existed before Russan.
      And cooperation and power sharing is necessary to have a functional Empire. Otherwise it falls apart into infighting

  • @PizzaMan30007
    @PizzaMan30007 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This guy is always posting videos constantly everyday keep up the good work bro

  • @msmaria5039
    @msmaria5039 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Can you talk more about Vitiate?

  • @sydneyg2235
    @sydneyg2235 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Don't forget the greatest sith emperor of all time Marka Ragnos

    • @newhybrid101
      @newhybrid101 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Dont forget he is irrelevant due to power creep

    • @bt3376
      @bt3376 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Palatine and valkorion crush him

    • @mummbles8319
      @mummbles8319 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      hes 1000000000% better than the crybaby of the sith punkass wrinkles/sidious not to mention one of of the only sith that was never really challenged for his rule of real sith still not sure if hes the GOAT but hes up there all i know is F Palpy

    • @blackshogun272
      @blackshogun272 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@newhybrid101 power creep power scaling makes me angry af because there's so many ancient Sith with cool designs and backstories but theoretically get washed by their dark side descendants or future Jedi.

    • @involuntaryanalysis
      @involuntaryanalysis 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@blackshogun272 Ignore it, some people need a nice little box to think within.

  • @davidk2023
    @davidk2023 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Valkorion did not want to end all life. He wanted to create a utopia where he would have free reign to try everything and be everything. A farmer, an artist, a simple man. That was the goal of zakuul. He never intended for zakuul to be swallowed up by him when he wanted to do his ritual again. This was confirmed by charles boyd, lead writer.
    Even if we want to ignore kotfe, we saw what he said to the jedi knight in 1.0. Even if he swallowed up the entire galaxy, he would travel to all other galaxies and live out his life as everything and anything. And once life eventually ended, he would watch it end and restart once more.
    He was a person who loved life. Unlike the sith, who only want power for the sake of power, his power was just a means to an end. He wanted to live as long as possible and see and experience everything he could. He definitely stopped being a sith when he founded zakuul and only played the part of the emperor as a means to his own end.

    • @Comuniity_
      @Comuniity_ 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He's literally a genocidal maniac hellbent on murdering trillions of people for his own personal ambition. The "utopia" he wanted to create was for himself and himself alone. You're right that Vitiate isn't a Sith, he's something much, much worse

  • @robinsondermann6715
    @robinsondermann6715 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Vitiate never became mad, only arrogant. He was always a great strategist and knew what the other thaught

  • @Artporductions
    @Artporductions 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for finally covering this

  • @tjjordan4207
    @tjjordan4207 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Now that's a movie I want to see. An enemy so terrible that the Jedi and Sith had to team up against him. But Disney would only ruin it, so best to leave it as it is.

  • @dylanbarnes9195
    @dylanbarnes9195 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Darth Vishiate is, Morgoth, while Sidious is Sauron. One wanted destruction and to rebuild the universe, and the other want order, and dominion over others.

    • @francobanko6722
      @francobanko6722 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Perfect analogy actually

  • @Henkums
    @Henkums 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I wonder what Viciate thought of Darth Nihilus

  • @Revansstuntdouble
    @Revansstuntdouble 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    No one WROTE about Palpatine talking about Valkorian. Ergo, no connection.

  • @AmericanCalabar
    @AmericanCalabar 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You can't even be certain Valkorian is gone.

  • @poeticallyty3577
    @poeticallyty3577 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was a great video! Thank you!

  • @hachi666roku
    @hachi666roku 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Palpatine just salty cause He just didn’t have that Valkorian Drip

  • @Baso-sama
    @Baso-sama 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Palpatine has nothing on the ancient sith :)

    • @F3AN0RXINFERN0
      @F3AN0RXINFERN0 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      The ancient sith don't even got a breath of an existence on sidious. The best in the old republic is draining a planet which is planet surface level. Tpm sidious is enough as he shook planets, stars and formed constellations with his aura alone. By feats Tpm sidious > everyone in the old republic 😂

    • @boyd8072
      @boyd8072 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@F3AN0RXINFERN0-🤓🤓🤓🤓🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

    • @emzonik8851
      @emzonik8851 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@F3AN0RXINFERN0While I do agree Sidious is stronger than any Old Republic Sith, including Vitiate himself, it seems you're relying on Supernatural Encounters. That one is non-canon (in Legends).

    • @vadimananenko2452
      @vadimananenko2452 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@emzonik8851old republic is non canon as well, it's only fair to compare both characters in the same expanded universe version

    • @emzonik8851
      @emzonik8851 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@vadimananenko2452 OR is canon to Legends. There's a common misconception among the casuals that Legends is everything that's not canon. It's the former Expanded Universe and as such stands as a parallel official continuity (as recognised by the Story Group). Supernatural Encounters is not an official part of Legends EU, it isn't even licensed either. It's simply fanfiction.

  • @everythingissogreen6748
    @everythingissogreen6748 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I honestly know next to nothing about Vitiate. But one thing I noticed was he had soft eyes. Never looked crazy. Always looking calmer than any other pictures of other Sith. Why is that?

  • @samirsaweras231
    @samirsaweras231 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Look you make some good points but I couldn't disagree with you more. In truth I feel insulted by your comparison of these characters. Any true Old Republic fan could tell you that there is no comparison between them and given that the game has not yet finished it was foolish/pointless to make. We will likely see more references to Tenebrae in the game for years to come. Latly in my option force sensitives of the modern era (Clone Wars era) are historically weak compared to the ancients of both orders. As Kreia said to the Exile "We are like children playing with toys compared to the ancients of old".

    • @Pandemia616
      @Pandemia616 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Force sensitives are not weaker. Jedi are. The few Sith in the modern era are incredibly powerful.

    • @F3AN0RXINFERN0
      @F3AN0RXINFERN0 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I couldn't disagree with you more, I feel deeply disturbed that you compare vitiate to sidious. Vitiates story is done he died like fives times already he's finished, EOO was his last story. In terms of power vitiates best is draining a planet with aid which is planet surface level. Sidious in tpm shook planets, stars, and formed constellations with his aura, later he used his abilities on a galaxy scale to diminish the abilities of the jedi during order 66, he later was so strong that his presence imbalanced the force on a universal scale, and finally he was able to use force storm wormholes which are 5D which is a multiversal feat. Vitiate by feats can't compare to Sidious. Sidious brutally kills vitiate by sheer overwhelming power. Jedi and sith during the prequels > jedi and sith during the old republic. Feats: Yareal poof contained a supernova bomb, yoda felt the death of every jedi on a galaxy level, obiwan cracked grevious armor which tanked a planet surface level attack, shaakti turned a planet into a lightside nexus with just her presence, oppo rancisis used battle meditation on a solar system level etc. The best in the old republic is draining a planet which is planet surface level 💀. The power gap between the old era and the new era isn't close. Prequel era by feats stomps.

  • @JKH133
    @JKH133 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’d like to know Sidious’ views on his homeworld Naboo

  • @aquilesbrinco8778
    @aquilesbrinco8778 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What I love most about Sidious is that, yes he is ultimate evil, but he represent a highly principled expression of evil. He may seem insane but he does everything thoughtfully and with full intention. That's what makes him the greatest villain. He's not just some brute that wants to destroy and rule

  • @danielkover7157
    @danielkover7157 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's fascinating to me how a fictional thing like the Force reveals so much about human nature and psychology. There's a lot of insight, even on the dark side.

  • @kennethkitchens88
    @kennethkitchens88 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazing vid.
    Thank you

  • @jeffreyaguilar8028
    @jeffreyaguilar8028 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Vitiate had a pretty good thing going on. He could’ve used his immortality to lead the Sith through a slow but patient war and conquer the entire galaxy and rule it.

  • @HoJeanJeon
    @HoJeanJeon 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    And that's guy who ordered his most loyal puppet to destroy a home planet of the leader of rebellions.

  • @zeehero7280
    @zeehero7280 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    it's not a surprise that Vitiate was hated by palpatine. he was hated by most people.
    Not to mention the fact people seem to think Palpatine is anything but a pathetic noob next to some of the TOR era masters. that's stupid.
    Palps is pathetic compared to them. Also Malgus was based af.

  • @DamianRyse
    @DamianRyse 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm pretty sure Vitiate/Valkorion wasn't hated by Palpatine, because he simply wasn't invented yet by the time the movies got written.

  • @charleslulevitt6157
    @charleslulevitt6157 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The difference between Vitiate and Palpatine highlights the internal contradictions of the Sith code, which teaches the ultimate goal of power is freedom. Vitiate's goal of peace was freedom. Palpatine wanted power and the benefits of power, but that still meant he would never be free, for a ruler needs people to rule over. As emperor, Palpatine had to make sure people would obey, they wouldn't rebel, that his governance functions, and so on. That meant, Palpatine was not free. I always felt Vitiate understood the Sith code better, because only by destroying the universe, emptying it of life, can one be truly free. Yet, without life, without connection, one cannot have power. Power is a lack of freedom, because to have power is to have power over others. Without others, can we have power? Even if we have great abilities, as Vitiate will have if he succeeded, without others, those abilities aren't meaningful.

  • @jaspertheultimatequartz2102
    @jaspertheultimatequartz2102 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sidious: I may be evil, but i'm not *crazy*!

  • @trask9100
    @trask9100 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Valkorian/Vitiate isn't liked by pretty much any Sith it seems. To be fair, he stopped considering himself one like hundreds of years before anybody realized. He admonishes the Sith on numerous occasions as being pathetic, and almost seemed embarrassed by them and who can really blame him. Guy had dominated the dark side of the force so thoroughly, it was actively acting against him (and failing). While Sidious sought to be the most perfect embodiment of a Sith at all times, it was key to his philosophy and success. While both dark side force users and both unquestionably evil, they were nothing alike.

  • @sampeterson7828
    @sampeterson7828 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I haven't started the video yet....but my initial reaction to the title, "Why Palapatine HATED the Most Powerful Sith In all of Star Wars", is that Palps hated him because it wasn't him.

  • @salvatorenoth2489
    @salvatorenoth2489 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The real truth for the lack of Palpatine's comments on Vitiate and stuff is likely because the SWTOR storyline was still on-going at the time of the writing of the book where most of the comments came from. I believe that is the case, at least.

  • @TheTDArts
    @TheTDArts 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    He's a Sith
    Of course they hate each other
    That comes with the job description, no?

  • @AviTubeful89
    @AviTubeful89 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This video makes the videos of Darth Sidious vs. Valkorion perfectly clear.

  • @codymcteer5898
    @codymcteer5898 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    How crazy would it be if it turned out that Valkorian took over Palpatines body and it was him all along 😮

    • @samirsaweras231
      @samirsaweras231 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Don't joke with me please.

    • @codymcteer5898
      @codymcteer5898 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I just gave George a billion dollar franchise idea. Hit me up if you see this Mr Lucas 😉

    • @Sandlund93
      @Sandlund93 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Even as a Sheev fanboy I would be cool with that. It would actually make more sense than Sheev mastering all forms and Force abilities to rival Yoda. And all that while being a fake politician, decent enough to manipulate his way to the most powerful position in the galaxy. It would make sense if he was 5000 years old and already the strongest Force-sensitive in galactic history by the time his essence took over the infant Sheev. That would also explain why Sheev was so evil from the start.

    • @samirsaweras231
      @samirsaweras231 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Sandlund93 While interesting I can’t imagine the writing necessary to back up such a story. On a personal note I’m not sure I’d ever accept a storyline like that.

    • @Sandlund93
      @Sandlund93 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@samirsaweras231 Yeah, it would rob us of an entire character basically. But they are too much alike to not entertain the idea, if only for a bit.
      The best thing Disney could do would be to hire George and give him free reins on a Sheev series that explored his backstory. But they're obviously too proud for that.

  • @adamdahlstrom2095
    @adamdahlstrom2095 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Vitiate trying to destroy the universe...Abeloth enters the scene

  • @Jayp1980
    @Jayp1980 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video

  • @lithiliel9904
    @lithiliel9904 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We don't know how much knowledge Sidius had about Valkorion/Tenebrae/Vitiate. The time span between them was a lot longer than from other Sith he mentions (at least between him and Tenebrae). Vitiate wasn't exactly super vocal about his identity or past at any point in time.

  • @taboovsknowledge1603
    @taboovsknowledge1603 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sidious threatened to blow up planets.
    Vitiate threatened to vacuum up planets.
    The galaxy rules are, leave use alone.
    Sidious blows the leaves off of his driveway.
    Vitiate sucked up the leaves from his driveway.
    The HMO rule are, leave it natural.
    Lucas Earth comparisons.

  • @M-G-T-Society
    @M-G-T-Society 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The most powerful is Sidious.
    The films make him look stupid when he doesn’t stop electrocuting himself, but it doesn’t change the fact that Sidious is the most powerful Sith of all time. Also, one of the best villains of all time.

  • @zakosist
    @zakosist 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Being too evil even for Sidious, that is impressive

  • @darthbane5357
    @darthbane5357 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dang that's sad.
    Palpatine hates himself

  • @npierce14
    @npierce14 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sidious also lived in era where he dealt with 1 master and a couple apprentices he didn’t have to contend with legions of sith and all the backstabbing that came with that that would surely warp someone’s ideologies

  • @DeCode343
    @DeCode343 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    0:04
    I listened 4 seconds and...
    No Palpatine was never the culmination of the rule of 2. He broke it. Maul, Dooku (Darth Tyrannus, roughly in the same time) while planing for Anakin, the inquisitors. Wanting Luke to join while his disciple was still alive and kicking more ass than anybody else.
    He lost the way of 2 mostly wanting everything for himself.
    He destroyed the sith way and had no redundancy but himself.
    Which was very sadly transported over in the sequels.

  • @SourBogBubble
    @SourBogBubble 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    And this is why i pay for a SWTOR subscription.

  • @CarlosSamuelson
    @CarlosSamuelson 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Palpatine can kill those who puts ads in youtube videos
    😂😂😂

  • @Ower8x
    @Ower8x 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If someone and Arrogant and Self-assured as Palpatine looks at you and concludes you are an Arrogant Fool you know you broke the Arrogance scale ...

  • @keonigarcia7605
    @keonigarcia7605 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cool video nice sounds

  • @darthsidius9631
    @darthsidius9631 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wouldn't have never believed at Darth sidius would have hated vitiate