Mongolian Composite Bow from Mongulai.com - Patreon Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ย. 2024
- Woohoo what a beast, needs to be tamed and needs many shots to become flexible.
One of my patrons will be the lucky one to do so :)
Overall a nice bow, with a specific shooting experience.
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This particular bow has quite a bit of hand/wrist-shock. I used to have the Nomadic version of this one. Quite a few archers use this bow at the annual Nadaam Games in Mongolia.
As Armin mentioned, let the bow set for a day or two while strung. Before using it, after it has been strung, pull the string back several times to warm up the bow. This will help reduce the hand/wrist-shock.
The bow maker (Tumurkhuu Batmunkh) also makes a different bow called the Huunu, referring to the Mongolian peoples of the past (pre-17th century), most notably the Xiongnu. It is also based off of a bow (circa 1350 CE) excavated by archaeologists a few years ago in Mongolia. I have one and really like it; much more than the Nomadic. The hand/wrist-shock is much less, even with a draw weight of 50 pounds at 28 inches. After it has warmed up there is not shock. Much like the bow in this review, the Huunu needs to be warmed up and heavy arrows need to be used, otherwise there is shock. Barrelled arrows work very well with these bows. The arrows that came with the Nomadic and Huunu are around 800 grain or more. The barrelled arrows at 600 grain from Alibow also work quite well with the Huunu bow. The Huunu is slightly smaller, making it easier to use from horseback. The handle, limbs, and artwork are similar to the bow in the review. The siyahs are a little smaller and are reinforced with horn in the nocks. The Huunu has a wooden core, horn on the belly, sinew on the back, and is wrapped with birch bark, much like the one Armin reviewed in this video.
In the review Armin noted the bow become easier to draw after it has been used. My Huunu is very much like that; it likes to be drawn after it has warmed up which results in little to no shock. Although, the shock doesn't go away when the bow is used in cold weather, which makes me wonder what the Mongols did differently in the past, because they quite often campaigned in the fall and winter after the horses were fattened during the spring and summer. The Huunu (and the Nomadic) is heavier than Grozer's Mongolian bow, and both are heavier than the Keshig made by Alibow. I have all three, each with a draw weight of 50 lbs. Perhaps I can film a review of the bows after the snow melts and the weather gets warmer.
You can contact Tumurkhuu via facebook and buy the Huunu bow at a much lower price. He (actually someone in his family or a friend who can read English) is rather helpful and good at responding to questions.
interesting thanks
Hi Armin and viewers,
Ever since this covid-19 virus came into our life I worked daily on my Hunnu Mongolian bow .it now has a brace height of 7.5 inches after I tied a knot just above the bowstring nock and straighten out the khicher( Mongolian for siyahs) and started doing uruugui( khatra) with it and surprisingly this bow is starting to perform quite well with less hand shock and more comfort. My bow is 40# now@ 31” but it is still a beast and it’s damn accurate too.Starting not to regret buying this bow and it taught me a lot about composite bows.
Never interested in bows. Accidentally got on your videos, reviewed everything). Interesting . I begin to understand more and more. Already I see how differently arrows go from different bows. Regards from Russia. (Google translator)
Hi Armin and TH-cam viewers,
Just clarify a few things the bow reviewed here is yes made in Mongolia by Tumurkhuu Batmunkh in Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia .If you want to do more research on him he is on Facebook under the name I left above.
The bow reviewed that is so widely used in Mongolia today is a derivative of the Yarha that was brought into Mongolia during the Qing Dynasty, and is not true Mongol designed bow as most of you know already.This type of bow is used extensively in Mongolia for sport.
As for Armin's review it coincides exactly with my Hunnu composite (Yarha length ) bow that was made by the same Mr.Tumurkhuu Batmunkh..The only difference was that I had a 6" brace height that I had no room to adjust the bowstring length.But as Armin said it is a beast to control .I was thinking of adapting a rectangular piece of loofah to the massive handle to absorb hand shock and for comfort .My bow still has some warps in it that I just started to try and straighten out.Again as Armin pointed out the more I use it the more it becomes acceptable but it is a job in progress wish me luck.
Because of Armin I now have 8 bows but 7 were his fault .6 Mongol variants by various makers and two Koreans KAYA.Thanks for the great review and I fully agree with Armin.
Stay safe everybody.
@Bojan Jakovljević During the Manchu dynasty or known as the Qing Dynasty, a lot of control to Mongolian bow makers were introduced and forced to do other things, etc. During USSR, there was no one left to make bows due to supression. However, now they are trying to make the bows that are found during expeditions from caves, tombs etc from their country. I believe it will improve over time and sure I am very interested to buy a good bow too :)
Mr. Armin! the Bow looks extremely heavy and Yes! Mongolian traditional. When you adjusted the string looks better and shoot more appropriate. It was GREAT!🎯 to see Andy! shoot and comment, greetings to him. Cheers to All.✌😀
When Armin didn't say the usuall "Easy to string" while he was stringing it, I knew this is going to be interesting review 😂 With shortened string I do kinda like the look of the bow - even though the limbs look little bit too thick(but I really like the thick handle). It's still expensive though. Just out of curiosity - what is the poundage at 30 or 32 inches? Nice review as usuall. Thank you.
BTW- maybe someone from Malta customs likes bows so he opens them all just to see those beauties.
From the look of his draw, I say it could be 70 at 30" if they rated it 50 which usually means 28"
What a beast, very manchu. Well done both. Draw experience is so much more that just poundage, this one seems ro put up a fight.
Funny I see this review here and now. I bought this bow few week ago in Ulaanbaatar to Tumurkhuu Batmunkh (by the way much cheaper that on Mogulai website, around 230€). Then try it there, shooting this little cylinder on the floor.
Informations that were given to me there is that there is 2 notches on the siyah, the long one draw a lighter weight. The string is delivered for this long notch, so that is probably why you had to modify the sting lenght.
Also as it is natural material, weight can be influenced by temperature. Mine is a 40lbs (the lighter they do) and can vary from 35 to 50. Short distance notchs make it stonger + high temperature also make it stonger.
Also for maintenance, don't keep it in a too humid environment, never shoot when temperature is below 5°C, and never keep it unstring for more than a year (it could flip the other wy !).
Also this is not my first bow, but I am still quiet beginner, and I felt very confortable with it. I guess it is also a matter of personal sensation.
Like all relationships, needs some adjustment, specially on " hybrid". There's such thing as Archer and Bow relationships! Always on the challenge!
Maraming Salamat Armin!
What a beautiful bow and an amazing review
i love that bow its so raw and awesome
What a... curious bow. I can definitely see it being a good shooter with time and practice, but composite bows seem like such a challenge. Clearly not meant for people who don't necessarily have the time nor the will to put some effort into it. By the way, I was expecting some speed tests, comments on khatra-bility and different techniques with the bow, like in your other reviews. It really helps when comparing bows from your reviews, which got me saving up for a Kheshig. Anyways, great video and keep up the good work, you're the best bow reviewer I've seen. Much love from Turkey!
That bow is a feral animal! Not to be tamed, always to be respected (and feared).
The Mongol bow is not as large and long as the English one, but it is vastly more powerful. The draw weight of an English longbow averages around 70-80 pounds, whereas the Old Mongol bow had a pull that, according to George Vernadsky, averaged at around 166 pounds. Chambers states that the pull varied from 100 to 160 pounds.
This seeming discrepancy certainly reflects the fact that draw weight varied with the strength of the user, and with what use the bow had been made for. As could be expected, there was a considerable difference in shooting range. Whereas the English longbow could shoot at distances up to 250 yards or around 228 meters, the Mongol counterpart can hit its target at 350 yards or 320 meters and, if the archer is well trained for the task, even beyond that.
Nonsense english longbows went up to 200lb
WOW. A great traditional bow at a good price. I'm glad to see you are wearing an arm guard- a 50lb bow can raise a helluva welt (ouch). Great review as always Armin. Please continue your good work. Always appreciated. Thanks. Flaxen Saxon.
Yes Sir a Beast it is, who needs to go to a gym when you’ve got the ultimate arm back workout machine - a mobile gym at that!!!
Great review as usual Armin. I would love to be able to shoot that bow, I’ve always loved heavy bows and composite bows have always been a passion of mine. Thank you for such an honest review.
Can you imagine trying to shoot that beautiful bow in the winter, My goodness!. What do you think about the fishing line on the limbs? Safety? When you Fixed the string & left it overnight it was a completely dif. Bow but I was still Grunting as you were Pulling that string behind the ear. That was a real treat to watch, Thanks for making your review a 2 day review! Have a Great rest of the week.
Thx to you and your reviews i have finally chosen my second bow (on alibow) and you have now a new patreon 😎 (my secret dream is seeing you reviewing a saluki horn bow)
AIeeee, what a beast! I can imagine what a war-weight bow would be like. Great review, as ever Armin!
Where can I get a 100lb plus bow like that
@RandomMongolianany mongolian craftsman still makes good quality non overbuilt bows?
wow great review. i watching this review again, and again. congrat from malaysia.
What a beauty! thank you for the videos
Just interesting how they made the bow but why the fishing string?
Wow, Watching you shoot this beast reminds me of shooting my Maygar by Fairbow. I finally realized the string was about 1 1/4 inch to long with less than 6 inch brace height.
I will have to make my own because of extra long loops.
Was very affraid that this thing will break.
you need to get jack Fang from Historical Archery to shoot this monster
Yep that's y your the best very informative thank you brother
I think the Khan would approve . Great review as always !
Not exactly my mug of kumis - too strong takes too long to acquire a tolerance. It’s a heap of money for a bow that requires so much tinkering and adjustments. Kia mihi for an excellent and honest review.
A Bow that conquered half of the world
I would have liked to have seen the arrow speed
no speed test Armin. How quick is it?
I visited the page and the images show that the long string go in the upper part of the siyah,wich would give like a 2inch more of brace high
Had wondered for a while if there was a real bow behind this. The price just seemed so outlandish. I got a pair of boots from them, and they are just like this bow they need a lot of time to become soft and really comfortable to wear 😆
I remember the handshock when i tried my brother's manchu bow with lighter arrows 😣
Wonder if all composite bows need a break in? Thanks for the review!!
I think so, like you need to stretch in the morning :)
This bow scared the bejeezus out of me. I remember when I was a kid my violin string broke, shot back and bit me under my eye. Imagine if something went wrong with this thing?!?! 😂
My natural composite Turkish bow is also a pain to shoot. The constant having to fix the limbs after a few shots. Of course it seems to depend on the weather and humidity as to how finicky it is. On a nice autumn day it seems to behave itself better. Summertime...forget it. Time to go get my Alibow. I have no real hand shock to speak of on mine.
Every composite bow is different mine i can shoot multiple times without adjusting plus it gets better with time. If you have a Turkish Flight bow then yes every shot it has to be adjusted. From what I know the Mongols and tribes of that sort had campaigning seasons. Like they could only campaign from April till September or Something like that. The ONLY advantage self bows have over composite bows is that dont matter about the weather or where you live.
"Oy Madonna pfff " nice reaction :D
I struggle with a 44 pound bow, so this probably won't be for me :p. Do you know of any good Manchu-style/look-bows that are fun to shoot? Love the look of the Manchu bows and the long draw and I do own a Alibow Yarha, but the handshock makes it a bit uncomfortable for me (or can this be fixed with different arrows? Bought their Manchu arrows and let them match them for the bow). Also interested in getting a laminated version instead of fiberglass (think that might make the handschock a little less as well?). Thanks for all your reviews!
if laminated, I would go with the Qing Dragon from Mariner
@@ArminHirmer awesome will have a look at that one, thanks a lot!
I haven't seen a mongol bow that looks like that!
Looks very close to Arjuna's bow Gandiv. Now I understand he must have shot a 50 pounder
You need smaller draw string my brother you no if anyone The monchu bow hast to have more brace height
Kein Spielzeug, echte Maschine.
Hello Armin. I am shooting with my 40# bow with my thumb for a while (leather thumbring) but after 40 or 50 arrows i cant shoot anymore bcs of pain in my thumb and/or my thumb is very tired. How can i train my thumb? Respect what you just did in this video, drawing that heavy bow.
Its a good idea to train with a light 30# to 35# bow and once that becomes easy for you switch to a hard ring and get used to it. They will be tricky and release very easily but once you learn them it makes the 40#+ bows easier on the thumb joint.
mantic3 thanks for the tips!
the mongolian have so strong arms.!
unlike me hahaha yes
I was really interested in the real Mongolian bows. Pretty cool to get a very historic hornbow for a very cheap price. Glad it's not a simple souvenir but a mega Mongolian Manchu. Who would you recommend it for?
not for a beginner, but if you have already some bows and you want to get the feel of the original Mongolian bow, go for it. maybe not in 50# :)
From what I see, this bow is powerful but lacks elegance, an English Long Bow archer might enjoy shooting this.
♥Armin Hirmer
Your comments about customs are funny 🤣
unfortunately they are the truth :)
i am married with a mongolian! i always se you on you tube very god films from you!👍😀
My yahra is a tooth rattler with all my arrows , need to make some heavier ones and longer
An look I spoke to soon well dun
Is A Great Review but I think Alibow should send you a
Kheshig Mongol Bow. I don't buy a Bow If you don't make first a Review.
hahaha thank you
Oh wow, you actually got one of Altan Nerghui's bows...
How did you adjust the string properly? I was contemplating on purchasing one but If the bow comes in the mail like that it's not even worth it. Thanks
Open the end loops and shorten them
I appreciate it the info. Thankyou
The Mongols used it as a club after shooting 1st arrow.
It was a cheap bow like Armin said it is a decoration bow
@@Daylon91 I was joking.
😂😂😂
That bow looks like a beast of a bow. I thought the bow string seemed a bit long.
Size between string and bow have to be 16 to 18 cm.
I am using bow like that for 2 years. But material is fiberglass. Design, shape and size is same. That hornbow and my own bow made by a same person.
Ist der Bogen zu stark bist Du zu schwach.Historisch betrachtet hatten die Bögen um die 80-120Lbs was bei den schweren Holz oder Bambus Pfeilen nur Logisch wäre bei reichweiten von 80-160meter.
Sir. Thanks for your videos. What is your favorit bow?
I seems to me this bow behave like an english longbow the first shots. Armin says it shake your teeth loose, and the shock is tremendous. I'm a yew longbow archer myself and I was thinking; could this bow be used with warbow draw technique (bending the bow. Not draw it)?
Just discovered your channel and bought a 30lb Horse bow for my son who is 14, I got the hang of shooting from the right and thumb release quickly, he is struggling though, says the fletchings are cutting his hand, advice, if you would be so kind Sir, or do you cover in a Video, thank you.
Nock the arrow a finger width higher. No cutting
@@ArminHirmer thank you, we will try.
Whats the brace height you adjusted it To?
Roughly 8 inches I think
What the hack Armin !!!
I shoot with a 100 lbs english long bow , and I think is not strong enough , and you with 50 ...
COME ON !!!!!!!!
Yeah after my shoulder injury I never got back too more
i would want someone making a shorter mongol bow, before the big influence from the manchu like in the time of Djingis khan. we have to remember that the old mongol bows were shorter and much more adabted to the horsearchery
8:44 which language did you speak :)
*sigh* kind of disappointing but the price says it all. You get what you payed for. Thanks Armin :)
It's... interesting 😂
I'm surprised that they made the string that long. Kinda makes me question their validity. But then again, it's a completely traditional bow, so I see the appeal in it.
There isn't a single mongol bow that looks like this one from what if seen!
@@regaeontop It depends on the time period. Post 17th century Mongolian bows looked like this. Influenced by the Qing design. In the era of Gengis Khan, around the 13th century, they were smaller, with lighter sihas.
@@gizmonomono with due respect I believe your completely wrong! Since we're talking in terms of shape the bow he calls a kheshig is pretty close. Post 17th century! Well , they weren't the same monols by then.
@@regaeontop The Kheshig is based on a design from a 13th century bow. They were used by the Khan's personal guard, called the Kheshig. Hence the name of the bow.
@@gizmonomono ok
That's completely out of my comfort zone, physically and aesthetically, Armin! What's with the plastic fishing line wrapping on such a traditional bow?
protection I guess, just in case there is some delamination
nice again
How can I get a bow
I usually leave the contact info in the description
It’s a big bow, and not very attractive but thank you for your review sir.
Really looks like a manchu bow
I like Manchu bows and Asiatic bows in general, but I prefer poundage not to be over 45lbs
Beast from East! 😂
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@Toxophilus indomitus Clearly English is not his native language, resulted in a more phonetic spelling.
Hello. I do not know where the error. But if there is an error in the nickname, because there are many names that are largely highlighted. Palestine or Palestaine is for us one. 🌹✌️🇵🇸
Thanks brother Yusuf 🌹✌️🇵🇸
Interesting video Armin, but this bow is not my cup of tea ☹️
Do you speak Italian? :-)
Ugliest bow I ever seen on your channel but anyway great review from your site thx
Not a bow for the beginner, I suspect...... Flaxen Saxon.
It looks poorly designed. The geometry is all wrong. Brace height way too low. The handshock is going to be quite terrible just looking at it.
Well , the mongols of yesterday arn't the mongols of today. That bow seems like a terrible shooter. Nothing about this bow reminded me of hornbows.
I had to stop watching at about 7 mintues. A natural material bow should not be held at full draw like that. Totally ok for glass bows but not hornbows. Also hornbows do not 'become flexible' with more shots....