LIQUID LIMING PRODUCTS...DO THEY WORK???
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2023
- In this video I discuss liquid liming products, and whether they truly work on our food plots or not. Raising the soil Ph on food plots is the first step in many folks process of starting a food plot for whitetail deer hunting. Ag lime is heavy, dusty, and extremely difficult to spread, therefore there have been many liquid products brought to market that offer a simple easy solution to raising the soil ph by simply spraying the product on the ground. In this video i dive into these products and determine if they work or not.
I agree with you 100% Wes! Thank you for explaining the liming process thoroughly and especially to be careful about choosing calcium chloride!
It’s a tough deal, we’re all looking for something handy to be able to fix our PH issues but unfortunately calcium chloride isn’t the answer. Glad you liked the video and found it helpful! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Plot start yes is junk! But Plot Dr. Is a great product, love all of Brad Harper's products
Just love this guy, always giving us common sense information
Thanks mark! I really appreciate that! Thanks for watching
Super informative Wes! I think as plotters (as a group) we forget each year we are naturally building acidity in the soil. When we fertilize we acidify, when we build organic matter we get acidity through the plants breaking down. It all needs amendments to get the ph right. I sometimes think of the timber soil that doesn’t ever see prescribed fire. Decades of plant matter that has broken down in that dirt. It’s almost always more acidic than fields near it.
Keep up the great content brother!
Yes sir your 100% correct. Heavy synthetic fertilizer brings the soil Ph down every year, that’s why it’s so critical to get in a 3-4 year rotation with lime, and stay with it. Thanks for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it
Very informative, thanks Wes!
Thank you sir, glad you liked the video! Appreciate you watching and commenting
Great info....thanks for sharing. Bob
Bob thanks for watching and commenting, I’m glad you liked the video!
Thank you for the good information ! 👍🏼🦌☘
Thanks for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it!
Nicely spoken Wes! Amen!
Thank you sir! Appreciate you watching and commenting!
Some good info on lime. Thanks
Thanks for commenting and watching! I really appreciate it!
Thank you for preaching common sense and reality! Hunters and land managers need to be very wary of any marketing towards "convenience" or "fast results" that are really just short term bandaids that result in long term consequences.
Yes sir! Thanks for watching
Great video. I have a ph of 5.6 and just put 2600# of pelletized lime on it. Organic matter is at 3.2 my CEC is at 7.9 which i need to get up much further and my potassium needs to come up some. I need my ph at 6.5-7.2:
I also thought about adding some sulfur and boron to assist the plants
You will be well on your way of having the soil ph in the correct range now. All the micronutrients are importantly, especially if they are on the bottom end on a soil test. Most of the time micronutrients don’t require large amounts of lbs per acre, liquid is a good option for this. Thanks for watching
@@DIYfoodplotpro thank you for the info. I did buy some stuff to add sugar content that has molasses and rhizomes to add to the soil. I will try the liquid. I am planting a more diverse fall planting compared to the last 2 years. I choose plants with different root systems to help the soil and the breakdown of nutrients to increase the microorganisms.
Alfalfa, chicory, clover, sunflowers, radish, vetch, Austrian winter peas, clay peas, millet, and oats. And a small amount of soy bean.
Great video Wes
Thanks for watching and commenting! Glad you liked the video!
Wes,
I am a big fan of your channel and knowledge. I am trying to create a 2 acre food plot for the first time. I had a soil test done and the PH was at 5.6. I have sprayed and am about to add lime. The soil test wanted me know add 5000lbs of lime per acre. I just dont have that kind of money. I have a 1000 lbs of lime. I'll add some more after deer season ends. For now that's what I have. I have purchased Roundup ready corn and soy bean seeds. Also was planning on a 6' wide strip of turnips around the entire plot. Any suggestions? I'm also planning on putting down triple 20 fertilizer. Thanks
Lloyd thanks for the support and I’m glad you are enjoying the channel. 5.6 is with 1000 lbs of like added should be sufficient to grow the corn and soybean plot, just do what you said and try to keep adding more over the years. You will need more nitrogen than p and k. You can use the triple 20 to get the p and k into the zone you want, then finish up the nitrogen needs with urea. Good luck on the plot! Thanks for watching
The way i understand it, is that because of the way it gets used by the plants becausd of the wet application. We know that when we spread out dry lime either pellet or powder a lot of it gets washed out or it runs off by rain. Even when your soil sample says a high tonage of lime it recomends doing it in multiple applications. Ex 400 lbs per... per yr. With the liquid which can be taken in by foliage or roots a very high percentage of the product is used be the plants. So its the equivelance of using dry.
Hey Kraig I appreciate you watching and sharing your opinion. We’re gonna have to agree to disagree on this subject. But I appreciate you watching and commenting!
Thanks for your channel. I see you are in the Murray area. I know that you have river bottom area. Do you have any really sandy areas that you can do some videos on? I moved from your area to SC and we have extremely sandy soil.
Thanks for watching and commenting! I do have some sandy ground but nothing like pure sand. I will try to do some videos on how I manage that type of soil.
Great video! I wish you would have clarified the difference between ag lime and pell lime. There are still a lot of people who think you only need to use 20-30% of pell lime vs. the recommendations for ag lime. There are also people who think pell lime is only good for a year. Both are incorrect.
Thanks for watching and commenting! Planning on covering those topics in later videos.
What do you think of liquid carbon and humic acid on sandy soil with low organic material and low cec
Try some epson salt to get it to start growing fast. Not sure what it does to the soil but dang it it works like a champ for sure.
Thanks for the suggestion, I’ve never heard of that b4 but a Quick Look at the ingredients shows magnesium and sulfur as the main ingredients. Both sulfur and magnesium are secondary nutrients, not needed in the quantities of the macros but more than the other micros. Sulfur is known to give a yield boost on highly sandy soils with organic matter content! Thanks for watching and commenting, I really appreciate it!
I just bought a new farm this year and the interior roads are terrible, and we dont have a lot of Ag in the area, so I took the bait this year. Was in denial that Wes wasnt preaching the truth! Need to get my roads fixed and just drive to get a buggy of AG lime. I spread 22 bags of pelletized, but thats just shy of 900 lbs. Better get my back brace out!
Brad congrats on the new farm!! That’s going to be such an exciting fall hunting a new farm that you own! It’s often overwhelming the work that needs to be done once we buy a farm. I know you said the interior roads aren’t great, but have you talked to a trucking company and see if they would haul you a load out there and just dump it at the road?
@DIYfoodplotpro Thank you Sir! I had 107 ac in AL, and had no opportunity to buy any more, so I sold it and moved over to GA and got 200 ac. Lots more elevation, no AG nearby, so I'm having to learn a whole new set up. Good news is, once I get all my plots established, I'll have the best groceries around!
Can I lime after I already planted fall plots? I got nervous and just threw some blends in to get something in the ground, since our season already started. Trying to salvage a season out of it. The one field I did lime at 2 tons per ac looked like a smoke machine! I could probably have a load trucked in and spread on top of the new growth?
I would just get it on when you can, your not going to get much benefit of it on the plots for this year since it takes time to start working. If you could get the truck in winter, I’d prolly hunt this fall and as soon as I killed my buck and the hunting was over start spreading lime on it. I prefer to lime when it’s 50 outside instead of 100. Haha
Great video. Curious as to your thoughts on the liquid lime product that is indeed calcium carbonate? According to the description, 1 ton of lime contains approx 14lbs of calcium carbonate (the reactive material). 1 gallon of this product's liquid lime contains the dame 14lbs, however, particle size is much smaller, allowing it to react in soil much faster. I have an idea of the products you are referencing calcium vs calcium chloride. What do you think about the liquid calcium carbonate? Anxious to hear your feedback!
Johnathan thanks for watching and commenting! Any product that has calcium carbonate will neutralize the soil…..but I completely disagree with the claim that one jug is going to equal 2000lbs of ag lime. I do agree it would likely react quicker but there is no way in the world you spray a jug on a acre and your soil is going from 5.0-6.0. CCE is the amount of calcium carbonate in the lime….that varies across the country but in my area it’s 67%…so much more than the 14lbs they claim.
Thanks. I just want healthy pasture grass for our equines and goats. I got a ph of 4.8. Seeds won't even sprout. I need 3.5 tons of lime / acre. That would be almost impossible to bring in due to location never mind the cost. 😢
Yeah it’s really difficult when soil
Ph is in the 4’s. If you can even get into the mid to high 5’s you will see a pretty big difference! Thanks for watching
Hi Wes! Great video. So I have about 3.5 acres of plots. It's too much plot to use pelletized lime in the volume needed at an affordable price. We just don't have affordable pelletized lime in our area available in bulk. Given that I have only 3.5 acres, we also can't get the local co-ops to spread such little lime for us and the large corporate farmers aren't interested in that sort of work either. I ordered several tons of ag lime and had it delivered. If I just spread with a shovel out of the back of a little pull-behind trailer, do you seen any issues?
Thank you!
Thanks for watching and commenting! That’s exactly what I ended up doing was buying a full truckload of lime and had it delivered to my plot. Even though I didn’t need to the full truckload is was much cheaper than buying what I needed in Pelletized lime. I spread mine with a 3 point seeder but it wasn’t easy. I’m going to be doing a lot of research in this department in the future. To answer your question, no I don’t see any issues, it will be heavy, dusty, hard work but your going to change the soil ph by doing that.
Just your back. You may need a week off work afterward to recover.
I agree it seems like snake oil that being said I have 2 plots.. one 4.6 and 4.2. The 4.6 was limed during the sunmer the 4.2 was not... we ran out of time... got a jug of deer gro so we shall see how it goes. The 4.6 is growing well
What did you plant in both the plots? Thanks for watching and commenting!
@DIYfoodplotpro the 4.6 plot got dixie dozen and dove popper mix on the edges. The other plot still been slightly flooded from hurricane in August... I got a brassica mix when it dries out ... hopefully 😂
I know a lot of those products are foliar so I wonder if they are marketed to spray directly on the plants after emergence? I feel like I've seen a video that said that. Obviously that will not change the soil ph and it would have to be added yearly if so. Maybe someone could do a planting close to each other with good ph and planting then where it's poor ph spray it there and do a side by side comparison?
Brandon thanks for watching and commenting! I’ve seen them sprayed foliar but also have seen them spray it on the ground b4 planting. That’s one big problem with ph, it varies so much throughout the field that a side by side comparison might or might not be valid. There is no doubt plants need calcium, but for the most part in KY we have plenty of calcium in our soil, usually several thousand lbs.
Thanks Wes, they claim that it allows plants to uptake the nutrients for that growing season and that it doesn’t change ph. It’s not a replacement for lime. Does that explanation make sense to you because I have know idea?
Thanks for watching and commenting, that’s what they claim but no it doesn’t make sense to me. It’s not raising the soil ph, and the ph being neutral(7.0) is what makes the most amount of nutrients able to be used by the plants.
That's what I heard too and thought of immediately then I remembered like he said, there's already a lot of calcium in the soil, what difference would a jug make? I hate it because I wanted that to work so bad I fell for it even though deep inside I knew it didn't make sense. Hope is easy to sell I guess
@@daddylee4216thanks for watching and commenting! Yeah we all want it so bad, the product basically sells itself. Yeah most of us have thousands of lbs of calcium already in the soil.
how to apply calcium carbonate correctly?? I applied calcium carbonate by sowing it on the surface of the soil without plowing it, then it was exposed to rain for 1 week... why did my soil pH decrease when I applied 1 ton of calcium carbonate per acre... still 1 month of application but the pH has dropped... is it there is an error in my application? pH before application 5.5 pH after application 4.8.. please answer my question sir give me your advice id very thank you and appreciate if you notice me
It takes time to work, it’s not an instant fix. Soil ph changes throughout the field, your soil ph didn’t drop by applying calcium carbonate. Give it some time and it will work into the soil and start neutralizing the soil acidity. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Ag lime VS pelletized lime?? Any thoughts? Is there such thing as spreading to much lime at one time?
Thanks for watching and commenting! Pelletized lime is ag lime that has been made into pellets….so it will 100% raise the soil ph but because it’s all the same size it’s generally thought to be a one year deal(to be honest I’m not sure I buy into that but more research is needed on my end b4 I can say for sure). You won’t hurt anything if you have really low ph by adding more but the soil will only be able to utilize so much at a time. So I try to apply 2 tons of lime per acre on ground with really low PH and then do a check the following year to decide if I need to add more or not.
Interested in the same! My place doesn't have great roads and not a lot of Ag around, do hard to get an AG lime delivery or buggy in there. I fell for it out of laziness and not wanting to do 200 bags of pelletized. Bag to schlepping!
@@BradFess-jo8tothanks for watching and commenting. It’s a tough one, we want something so bad it basically sells itself.
Chlorine is acid. Full strength it is called hydrochloric acid. Not what an acidic soil needs . My soil would benefit at 8.5ph becoming Roman Concrete at 12" down.
If I was wanting to bring the soil ph down I would add sulfur. We have a fragipan down 18/24” in our soil as well. Plant roots cannot penetrate it. Thanks for watching
you dont necessarily want to raise ph when you need calcium, to replenish easily leached calcium on poor topsoil or to help breakup clay. i'm looking into calcium thiosulfate. any comments on this specific element blend?
Hey Chris, I’ve never seen a soil test that had a ph in or near the perfect range be low in calcium. When I see the Ph in the 6.5-7.0 the calcium levels are through the roof. I’m not saying that it’s impossible, but when we lime we are adding large amounts of calcium into the soil. But if your soil ph is naturally 7.0 and you’re not having to add lime, you could certainly get to a point where you would need calcium in the soil not need the actual lime to neutralize the soil acidity. I don’t have any experience with calcium thiosulfate. Thanks for watching
@@DIYfoodplotpro : thanks for the reply. high sodium is another case for wanting to add calcium, where higher ph is possibly not desired.
it's good to have debates, as new chemistry is developed, hopefully with benefits that justify costs.
chloride based fertilizers used to be a lot more common, and nowadays there are better alternatives.
cheers
Absolutely! I always enjoy talking food plots, and there is always more to learn! Have a good night!
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Thanks for watching!
The stuff I got actually does say equal to a ton of agricultural lime
What product do you have? It was not on either bottle than I bought last year.
@@DIYfoodplotpro plot Dr had it on label and I would agree that the other stuff plot starter was absolute garbage. I have not used the plot Dr yet but it does say equal to a ton of lime
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When i take soil test on my turf farms I try to get an average, so say on a 100 acre field I will get 20 different scoops of dirt in different locations and put in 5 gallon bucket and mix it real good then take out a sample from the bucket. High Calcium in soils is not good either it can lock up your P&K where the plant is not able to take up the nutrients. And for the record, liquid lime is scam! Enjoy the videos
Yes sir that is the way I like to do it as well. Get a much more accurate sample by mixing it up. I 100% agree with you on liquid lime. I really appreciate you watching and commenting! Glad you’re enjoying the channel!
Plot Dr shill bros are shaking right now.. really shows the integrity of the guys on TH-cam pushing that snake oil.
That is the biggest thing for me, and I’m not gonna name any names but one of the most popular food plot guy is pushing this crap, and I think that’s really sorry. Viewers trust him for his information and knowledge and he’s filling his pockets while selling them snake oil.
@@DIYfoodplotproany chance the name is similar to a big yearly motorcycle rally?
My soil PH is too high, 8.0 to 8.4.
I knew there were some of yall out there but your the first to tell me you need the soil ph lower. Adding sulfur will bring the soil ph down. Thanks for watching
Crap…. I was hoping for the Santa Clause answer to be true. Guess the hard work continues.
Yeah I know it! We are all wanting something so bad to not have to fool with AG lime, bud calcium chloride isn’t the answer. Thanks for watching and commenting
Advanced lime in a bag, ten bags is equal too 2.5 Tons of Calcium Carbonate lime, that's because the Advanced Lime is heated to 600C, causing it to release the Bulky carbondioxide!
I have had great results with it.
@@DIYfoodplotpro Cacium chloride, breaks down to Calcium Sulfate, neutralizing sulfur in the soil.
Neutralize the acids that release the Hydrogen Ions and the Hydrogen Ions leach to the atmosphere as Hydrogen gas, the Ions are almost never directly Neutralized.
@@carrollsanders9376it’s well documented with many college studies that calcium chloride has no effect on raising the soil ph.