It is truly not said enough just how much Jaune embodies the role of the support character. Even down to his very soul, his semblance is made to heal people, bring them up, help them to unleash power they never could imagine on their own. His and Ruby's realtionship, in my opinion, is the absolute strongest in the entire show.
this is my personally interpretation and I doubt it’s right, but I feel like the most recent episode flips ruby and jaune. jaune, the white rabbit, is constantly moving. he’s late, he’s running out of time, he needs to keep moving, one moment of rest and everything falls apart. but this cycle, while emblematic of jaune’s form of grief and coping, really highlights ruby’s flaw in her get up and go approach. ruby is speed, she is momentum, she drives the story forward and never stops. in volume 4, where everyone got to grow and have their own very defined arcs, ruby was the vessel to keep the story moving. she had to keep going, not a moment of rest. it leads her to volume 8, where she finally breaks about ‘accomplishing nothing’. all of her forward momentum, atlas still fell, mantle was still destroyed, penny still died, the relics were still taken. she looks at jaune, constantly moving and not accomplishing anything in his current state. he’s still stuck, all these years later, physically and mentally. how much has ruby positively changed since the start of volume 4? she cycles viciously in optimism and momentum, and it’s done NOTHING for her. and as personal growth goes, WBY has exceeded ruby immensely. this roll of a hero has stunted her, and through jaune, we can really see that. even though they’re polar opposites in term of their way of grieving, the outcome is the same. always running out of time and always running in circles, changing nothing.
Stunted, all this time, and add in that she's a teen, younger than everyone around her, thrown into a world of adults she thought she was ready for. And for a while, she was. But she's still young, still a kid, and the weight of the world, combined with her own traumas like with her mother, are especially crushing. A leader, a fighter, a hero, and all of that is challenged, fully challenged, here in this Womderland, where all she is is questioned. "Who/What are you" A bit rambling, but hopefully the point gets across. That being, sometimes things have to break to make something better. Hopefully Ruby can find that better self
I love how you touched upon the "always running in circles." Chapter 1 of V9 showed this beautifully as Ruby stubbornly kept looping running towards the Tree, "keep moving forward", until she reached her limit and started to weep, defeated. I feel you're exactly right that Ruby did become stunted. Ever since seeing Pyrrha's death she has been cracking, that mask she has worn for so long breaking piece by piece. Her method of dealing with grief is expressed at the end of V4, to carry on "If not for us then for those we've already lost". But she puts her mask back on and changes it to, "for those we haven't lost yet." She expresses this same ideal in V5 of carrying on for the sake of Penny and Pyrrha, and shown once more in V6's memories. Her dearest memories (Pyrrha dancing with Jaune, Penny confiding in Ruby, her mother) are all of the dead.
Jaune has always been Ruby’s most recurring foil on the heroes’ side, Cinder being her most prominent foil on the enemy side. Other foils have come and gone, but Jaune has remained a constant, both to the story and Ruby. He always asked questions she didn’t or wouldn’t. He pushed back against Oz and Qrow for the sake of his friends, because he didn’t trust their intentions. And when the group started doubting Ruby’s leadership he mediated, played the peacekeeper, as Ruby had when he got heated about Oz’s lies. Jaune wears his emotions on his sleeves, when he suffers he can't hide it. Ruby bottles her emotions up, always running to the next crisis, pushing her suffering to the side because "you need to keep moving forward." Jaune gets angry, he gets loud when he's in pain. But that means eventually he addresses it, works through it. Ruby's never had to confront her pain, because she's always helped others confront their own first. Their similar drives, interests and personalities. But their differing methods, how they lead, why they lead, and the cores of their characters. Their differences bring out the best in each other, and cover the other’s shortcomings. Jaune gets the way Ruby thinks in a way that only other members of her family do, people that have known her for her entire life. Their mutual bond of support and understanding, one of the strongest and best written relationships in the entire show Ruby was there for Jaune when nobody believed in him, not even himself. Not even Pyrrha. And Jaune stayed by Ruby’s side when she lost her team, he walked side-by-side with her across a continent on a hunch because he trusted her. And now when both need that confidant most, their pillar of support is gone.
Pyrrha always believed in Jaune though, even before they became partners, she believed he would be a good team leader after Weiss belittled him, even before Ruby’s pep talk.
@@alejandrodiazmera2650 I think they’re playing on the fact that Ruby believed in Jaune before Pyrrha was even in the Picture for real. Someone as skilled as Ruby would have seen that Jaune was beyond an amateur, but Ruby never pointed it out or questioned him being there despite having no trauma bias like Pyrrha does.
@@tetragaming6332 I don't think that is a good basis to determine who had more faith in Jaune. And their sisters would probably believe in him much before than Ruby but that doesn't mean that was equally important to his develop as a huntsman. Also if we are seeing things as Pyrrha only saw that due to a trauma bias Ruby could have done it due to her excesive innocence in conjuction with a bias due to see Jaune as someone in the same position as her, a novice leader that feels uncapable to play their role, and if she can't believe in Jaune why believe in herself?
When has Ruby bottled her emotions up? She's talked about them constantly with her friends, INCLUDING Jaune in Volume 4. Wearing her emotions on her sleeve IS a major part of Ruby's character. I can't believe you chose this of all things when talking about their alleged differences. You seem to want to frame Jaune as the more reasonable one, even though he's literally had decades to work through his trauma over Penny like you claim, all the time he could ever want to, yet hadn't. And going against Oz and Qrow wasn't Jaune's idea, either. I don't want to shit on him or downplay what good he has done, but some parts of your comment are really weird and seem like nothing but headcanons.
You could even say the way they handled the fall out of the argument matches how they grieve. Jaune being the one to wear his grief on his sleeve apologizes afterwards and acknowledges he knows he’s not okay. While Ruby being the one to bottle everything up tells Blake to shut up when she tried to cheer her up and then runs away from all of them. Man the writing is sooo good this volume.
@@Ponch126 It's either that or the best since Volume 7, imo. 7 had a very, very consistent script and tension building during the whole thing, and despite some weird decisions from characters during, say, V7 Chapter 12, in general it's a very well structured volume that had a fantastic climax to the whole build up it had. V9 has been doing the same, but we'll have to see how well it keeps escalating.
@@ImpossibleCarl69 My favorite thing about volume 7 was the fight with Cinder, Penny, Winter, and the old winter maiden. Love that they let the old lady go down in a blaze of frozen glory.
CRWBY actually stated that Jaune and Ruby are two sides of the same coin. Jaune and Ruby honestly had the best relationship throughout the whole series. I always felt that Ruby was closer to Jaune than she was to the rest of her teammates. With her teammates, she always had to be their leader and the one to pick them back up. But with Jaune, she could just be herself and they could confide in each other. But now, they can't... They have suffered too much and things can't be like they were before. Does this mean that they will never be friends again? Or will they actually rekindle and reforge their bond stronger than ever? Time will tell.
Ruby is stuck being everyone’s hero, drowning and wanting someone to save her. Jaune is doing everything in his power to be a hero, yet fails to save anyone else and can only save Ruby.
Stuck being a hero? Um, I don’t really know how else to say this. I think that ruby actively sought out to be a hero, and refused to change course. She wants to be something she doesn’t know realistic how to be.
The part about Jaune that possibly scares me the most… is that he’s based off of Joan of Arc. For those who don’t know her story, she met a pretty gruesome end. It makes me wonder if this is possibly the beginning of the end for Jaune. Just remember that every single member of team JNPR are based off of mythological characters that end up dying. (Jaune= Joan of Arc, Nora= Thor, Pyrrha= Achilles, Ren= Mulan) Joan of Arc was burned alive Thor was poisoned by Jörmungandr Achilles was shot by an arrow Mulan committed suicide
Technically Jeanne asphyxiated on the smoke, victims of that particular execution method weren't actually burned to death. There wasn't any screaming, just coughing. And if someone sentenced to burn at the stake was to catch on fire or audibly suffered in a more uncomfortable way, an archer was on standby to shoot them. That's how the Medieval Europeans did it. The Catholic Church didn't want to be too cruel (by their standards).
It would be Jaune, Nora, and lastly Ren if we go by how it would seem the deaths would happen. If it does come true. Jaune being himself would be killed by Cinder. Possibly like Pyrrha, he would die of valor but would be a terrifying death. Not to mention if he is a legend, he would seem his life could be set in stone knowing he would be like in the books of fairy tales and it wouldn't change what has happened in the bed time story. Nora would maybe turn into a grimm and die a grimm/live but be like Salem as she would be forced to live like a grimm and even be a evil twin of herself. Unless there would be a giant snake that would gobble her up instead. Ren being the last one would be the guy to give up after losing his last teammate/girlfriend on the team. He does have a rational mind but I imagine even he will have breaking points that kill the mind aside from the body. This is my thoughts from what it seems if the team would be doing deaths based on their myth.
Reminder that while the fairytale and mythological motifs are important in RWBY, the characters themselves are not going to meet the same fates nor characterization as their roots (ie Raven betraying Oz (Odin), Cinder's midnight being a wholly different ordeal, Torchwick ultimately losing, etc.)
I think one of the reasons I love the dichotomy of Jaune and Ruby is because it reminds a lot of Aang and Korra Aang is a normal kid learning to become the avatar, Korra is the avatar learning to be a normal teenager Jaune is a normal guy learning to be a Huntsman, Ruby is a born Huntress who never got to be a normal girl
Ruby: *finally let's out years of pent up rage of feeling the weight of the world on her shoulders, a fate she never asked for and, despite being with her friends and loved ones, feels isolated and alone and everyone is blind to her suffering* Fans: "Ruby's homophobic." Next episode Ruby: "CHEMICALS IN THE WATER ARE TURNING THE FREAKIN FAUNAS GAY!"
Yang and Blake had other times to confess. After the fall of a city and them being stuck in a different world (which forced them to confess btw) wasn't such a good time
One of the best videos about Jaune/Ruby situation. I hope the next chapter Jaune speak about Penny to each other and he try to speak with Ruby, i think he's the only one who can help Ruby in this moment
@@barbarar2216 And even if she does believe it, she'll probably be mad at Penny for even suggesting it, regardless of how good her intentions were. Suicide, especially assisted suicide, is distasteful.
@@kidprime6863 Penny offered Ruby the same chance, "Kill me, kill me... and the power will go to you..." which she devoutly ignored and tried to find another way. Its no coincidence that Ruby's trauma during the Jabberwalker fight manifested in that moment.
@@HighPriestFuneralthat time was rough Sure ruby would have gotten the winter powers but it wasn’t worth losing her friend Terrible thing that after all that effort, Penny still died 😢
Actually come to think of it couldn't you also say Jaune was always destined to be a Hero? He's the Rusted Knight. A hero from a popular fairy tale that has existed for decades. But the only way that even happens is because he went to beacon and got wrapped up in the battle with Salem. Doesn't that mean that RWBY's timeline is looped and that Jaune was always supposed to got to beacon and become the Rusted Knight?
Odds are Lewis, having escaped (not Alyx) became an Oz incarnation in time, which is why he allowed Jaune into Beacon, knowing what this boy would eventually become.
Yeah I still think we don't know the full story about Alyx and Lewis. My bet is, the only reason why Lewis is not in the story and Alyx is portrayed nicer than she actually was is because the one who returned to Remnant and wrote the story was actually Lewis. It would be way easier for him to write the story about all those characters he met and cared for, as opposed to Alyx who was cold and cruel to them. Why would she want to remember or even commemorate them by writing a book about them and sharing it with the world? Plus it's easier to write a book about someone else than yourself. The question is this however: if Lewis escaped, what happened to Alyx? The opening clearly has Neo's painting at the end transitioning into Alyx on the beach. Could Neo and Alyx be connected in some way we haven't considered yet? Their hateful natures are already very similar after all...
@@HighPriestFuneral tbh I wondered if this had something to do with Oz, considering that a good few of the stories has some direct or indirect attachment to him. To my knowledge (Kinda fell out of rwby until I saw some clips from volume 9) with the maidens, the gods, and maybe this. Even a few of the fairytales were recorded by him. Considering he's been around since the very early days of Remnant, it's possible that the fairytales of the world has a real story behind it especially the ones recorded by Ozpin. Even to go so far as the Rwby Fairytales deluxe edition book is the very same book that Ozpin owns.
While that makes sense from the timeline perspective, it doesn't break the motif the video sets up because the inciting incident to *all* of it was Jaune taking fate into his hands
I'm really hoping Jaune gets a new weapon. It's like you said. His weapon is his great GREAT grandfather's sword. He is figuratively and literally carrying the weight of the past. Misdeeds, misteps, and mistakes and all that it's history comes with. Since he helped Ruby find her rose, maybe she can help him find or even better yet FORGE a new weapon with him. Not to say he should just dump his old arms, just keep them as a memento but ultimately leave it behind
Crwby also said in interview after last episode that Jaune and ruby 2 sides of the same coin it . It’s also shown in how they developed as warriors Jaune was a late bloomer he likely didn’t show the natural talent on surface like his peers when they were kids as evidenced by his parents lack in faith of his ability to make it at beacon it wasn’t until Pyrrha mentored him that potential started to show whereas for ruby combat came easily and it didn’t take long for her to get strong
The reason that Lancaster is my OTP is because they have a great dynamic with each other that is unlike most ships. They have a dynamic that makes them similar but contrast each other in every way, unlike their other pairings. Another thing is that if you look back on their history, Jaune has never once talked about, mention, or allude to Ruby's eyes or their power. He treats Ruby the way she always wanted to be treated. Like a normal girl with normal knees. Edit Thanks to your video, I've come to realize that Jaune and Ruby are the only ones with great charaterzations on who they are, which is consistent. Edit If what youre saying about Jaune and Ruby and their destiny is true, wouldnt that mean at some point Jaune will accept his destiny and Ruby will fight her destiny
Same. I would love it if all the Weiss and Oscar stuff was just a temporary distraction/ an example of showing young characters experiencing attraction to other people before finally ending up with the person they were meant to be with all along. I hate the Ruby/Oscar pairing more than any other in the whole series.
Definitely enjoyed the parallels that you found in there between Jaune and Ruby. It was awesome seeing those differences between Jaune being “broken” and Ruby, likewise, being “lost”. I hadn’t even connected those images until you had talked about that. Volume 9 is really pulling at the heart strings this time. I just hope that they will make it out of the Ever After and with theirselves and weapons back to normal. I truthfully don’t want to see Ruby with another weapon, after all, she took so much pride in making it and it has always been the signature thing that us fans know.
I hadn't thought about her weapon being remade too. Would actually be kinda neat if the tree gives her a weapon that more resembles her mother's or something cool like that
Precisely, because Pyrrha liked that her status as such an accomplished athlete and warrior had never even crossed his mind beyond something as simple as the same cereal he got his sweatshirt from
The paper pleasers village is actually more like Mantle in a way. Both Ruby and Jaune are going down the dark path Ironwood did and it shows in how both treat the village. Jaune uses it and the people as an excuse to not confront trauma, while Ruby dismissed it, like when Ironwood called Mantle "a few city blocks".
I've seen some parallels to Ironwood in Ruby (Yang even mentioned that in Chapter 6), and in some ways Jaune's trauma of protecting the Paper Pleasers "no matter the cost", is very much like Ironwood as well. The village was even destroyed in the same way Mantle was ultimately destroyed. That's why I really liked the idea of Ruby and Ironwood as antagonist foils, the two were more alike than Ruby would ever admit.
The weakest part of RWBYs story telling is literally team RWBY. There's zero chemistry between the four girls but somehow we're supposed to cheer and support them 😂 Jaune and Ruby have a better on screen chemistry than anyone else in the story, and somehow it works any way you look at it. Friends? Yes. Siblings? Better than Yang and Ruby at least. You can even say their relationship is romantic, too. But yes, team RWBY is the focus.
honestly I was hesitant to watch this video because rwbytubers/rwby analysis videos tend to be very Bad but this one is actually so good and I wanted you to know that. Thank You for the great analysis (also I do mean this as a genuine compliment, my brain is just not computing right now)
You know what makes it sad for me is that Jaune is based off Joan of Arc and she’s the exact opposite. Everything pretty much went perfectly for her until the very end.
Isn't that even sadder? To know that everything in your life has gone exactly the way you wanted and yet your end is still horrific and tragic? Side note to that is how Joan of Arc had swore that her sword would never be stained with the blood of the innocent. And Jaune's sword broke immediately after being stained with Penny's. Joan of Arc and Jaune's stories are mirrored from start and hopefully finish. Jaune deserves a happy ending.
@@angeldude101 except Ruby's life hasn't been perfect leading up to an unfortunate end. She lost her mother at a young age, never had a lot of friends and was always considered quirky and weird for her love of weapons, eventually had a good streak, getting into a good school, met new friends, before everything came crashing down with a fresh new wave of loss and trauma, we see her having sleepless nights with nightmares months after Beacon during the trip to Haven, only to then have the futility of their situation revealed to her through the lamp and all the burden of raising everyone's morale was placed on her without a moment to work on her own issues even in Atlas. And we all know how that hot mess ended too.
You think there's a significant reason why Jaune saw Cresant Rose while he was falling and gave it to Ruby twice (you know what they say about the third times the charm)
This is why I ship them. Because through it all they've been together and they understand each other perfectly. Oscar and Ruby are pretty much just an attraction. He doesn't know Ruby and he's not on an intimate level like Ruby and Jaune are. Like minded souls make the best couples. And you just don't get that with Oscar.
Interestingly I think between Jaune and Ruby it can also be said that their teams are also foils to each other in the way that they support their leaders. Because Jaune's suffering and grief is clear and out there, the rest of JNPR always knew what he was going through and could find a way to address it with him, a great example being in Vol 5 when Jaune finds Pyrrha's statue in Argus after he exploded on Oscar. He apologizes to Ren and Nora only for Ren to tell him "Jaune, this needs to stop." and he and Nora finally get a moment to talk about their grief. On the flip side, team RWBY has a lot of strong personalities, most of whom have a tendency to bottle things up and/or find ways to compensate. Ruby is always trying to pick people up, Yang resorts to anger self-reliance (like many abandoned/neglected children), Blake compensates with either isolation or various attempts at reconciliation (as seen after her return to the team in vol 5) Weiss, much like Ruby, doesn't talk about it or shrugs it off. Ruby's team has seen her plans and tactics, no matter how slapdash they were, succeed and for that they trust her judgment and wait for her to make the call, but because of that, they fail to notice when she's bottling things up because they're all caught up in their own shit, they can't see her suffering because they've been conditioned to think "It's Ruby, I'm sure she'll be fine." tl;dr- their team dynamics are conducive to the way they grieve and has contributes to their dynamic as foils
I'd love to see their story continue with Ruby being the one to fix Jaune's sword and armor, making him the shining knight, while Jaune helps Ruby confront her mother's fate.
Listen, I've always appreciated Jaune as a character and often found him to be the most relatable, but this? This deep dive into the suffering he's undergone? I can't stress enough as to how much memory flooded into my mind and reminded me of all of the pain Jaune has endured and was ALWAYS relegated to a 'side character,' all the while Ruby endured HELL and was expected to smile the entire damn time she watched the world burn. It's... It's like opening old wounds, but doing so to finally let them heal... It's weird. How did you make this sorcery.
And let me just say, I think it was Episode 7 where Weiss mentioned how 'mature' Jaune was and I was super excited. I like Weiss, I love Jaune, I want good things for both, but this? Man, why you gotta go throwin wrenches into shit I was about to enjoy. Now I just want Jaune to be Ruby's hero for like five second while Ruby gets a chance to be the person saved.
That's why i ship them. But serious though this is a good analysis on their dynamic. There both similar and yet different. They are the most kindest person in the show and seeing them argue for the first time is heartbreaking. They both have been struggling for so long and i hope they can work their problems out.
@@kidprime6863 same here man, I ship him with Ruby because of Summer/Tai and they have great chemistry with each other. As for Weiss, Jaune had a crush on her, and he also saved her life. He is her knight in shining armor.
Me too. I had been planning to draw their children when all of a sudden they started hinting at the Oscar ship that nobody asked for. Hopefully that doesn't last. Oscar is just a kid who should still be single by the end of the series. If they have to ship him with someone, let it be Whitley. At least Whitley is around his age. Plus, there'd be an official male-male ship in the series. Two birds, one stone. The only Ruby ships I ever liked were her with Jaune (#1) and her with Penny.
12:50 I've been saying the same thing about Ruby with Penny. She sees Penny the same as how everyone else sees her. The light of hope that keeps them going.
I think Ruby and Jaune Definitions of Destiny are flipped actually. We're made to ASSUME Jaune never would have made it and Ruby was Destined from Birth. Looking back now, knowing what we know about Ozpin and everything. I think Ozpin KNEW Jaune was Destined to be a hero from the very beginning. Possibly having been Lewis in the Ever After. Ruby he just saw potential in. And because of this and being brought to Beacon too early Ruby is failing. We've seen from the very beginning that despite wanting to help she KEEPS losing. None of her plans work. But because everyone THINKS she's this Destined Hero she has this pressure on her that is making EVERYTHING so much WORSE! Every lose, every failure. She's struggling with the weight of this supposed Destiny when in reality she's just trying her best to be what everyone sees in her. What she grew up reading about. Jaune on the other hand, started off badly but he's showed significant progress and his plans tend to work out. When he has the time to carry them out.
I honestly think you hit the nail on the head here and with Jaune being Ruby's Ultimate foil she's his they both highlight the similar and different ascpects of eachother. Jaune has been both Ruby's best foil and honestly her only real remaining support pillar ever since vol 3. He's been with her for so long even when her team wasn't. This question has been on my mind since this latest episode but in terms of Friendship's team WBY to Ruby seem more like coworkers/ friends from work where Jaune seems more like Ruby's actual best friend. I mean think about it aside from Beacon (Which they spent most of their time chasing Roman/White fang) have they every really spent time together as a whole team outside of missions, just them getting to know eachother and learn more about eachother on a personal level? I think if Jaune had arrived at the same time as Ruby on the beach he'd know right away something isn't right with her simply because their much closer than WBY are to Ruby.
Ruby's grieving process in a nutshell: 'I was angry with my friend; I told my wrath, my wrath did end. I was angry with my foe: I told it not, my wrath did grow. And I watered it in fears, Night and morning with my tears: And I sunned it with smiles, And with soft deceitful wiles. And it grew, both day and night. Till it bore an apple bright; And my foe beheld it shine, And he knew that it was mine. And into my garden stole, When the night had veiled the pole; In the morning glad I see; My foe outstretched beneath the tree.'
I remember the scene in vol. 1 where Ruby told Jaune that he had to be strong because he was a team leader. to me, it seems like Ruby forgot that and her having her breakdown just made it seem as though she didn't really believe he could be a leader. the worse part is how Ruby arrived in the Ever After and ran into the others less than a few hours later while Jaune had been alone for possibly well over 20 years at this point before seeing them again. it was only when they started talking about how crazy he sounded that he realized they didn't really think about if he had survived the fall or if Cinder had just killed him. you can see at the end of vol. 8 as he's running, Winter tries to reach out to him only for it to be too late
Despite the fact I stopped watching RWBY, I always kinda felt like Ruby and Jaune were either great friends where they're like siblings. My brother and I often blamed eachother and yelled at eachother non-stop when we were in tough situations or just angry and stressed. Ruby and Jaune were the characters I often thought/think of anytime I really think back about RWBY. I do hope that the rift between the characters is mended, but not fully. Not all things heal with time.
Jaune definitely is a good foil for Ruby in my opinion. I think you absolutely nailed it in this video. Ever since last week's episode...I've been craving Volume 9 content...analyses, theories, etc. It's all good for me. I remember the ending of Ruby fleeing and everybody else being left behind staring onward stunned hit me like a gut punch. It was that impactful.
Personally, I think Jaune might sacrifice himself to the tree so team Rwby can leave the everafter, which would be very heartbreaking. He failed at every turn to be a hero, suffered loss after loss, and, in the end, performed one successful act of heroism as a broken, worn down martyr. ...I made myself really sad just now
I’d like to see at least sometime this volume where Blake and Ruby are together and the ladder says that Blake was right and that life isn’t a fairy tale only for the former to tell Ruby that even if they aren’t making it that much better they still try and then says she and the others will try to see if they can help Ruby feel better. Hey I know Ruby’s mist self said that but having Blake be the one to try and refute the negative point would show how far she’s come and finally show the others trying to help Ruby.
This video is begging to make me want to make Lancaster my favorite ship over White Knight. Almost. I really hope these two make up by seasons end. They need each other. And I hope Jaune changes back so they can be proper friends again
There's a point where it tips There's a point where it breaks There's a point where it bends And a point we just can’t take anymore There's a line that we’ll cross And there’s no return There's a time and a place No bridges left to burn anymore
As we all know, Ruby wants to do better. She knows a lot about the Ascension thing works, which is a possible reason why Neo had gotten powerful because when she crash-landed, she may have snapped her neck. So, in a future episode, there is a possibility of Ruby wanting to commit suicide within that land to improve herself. She is that broken. Yes, I copy and paste my comments. It's easier that way.
this is exactly why i think volume 10 is gonna be so important. i know it's probably not gonna happen and that the show has taken too many hits to the point where v10 is more unlikely than not, but i feel like there's so much more to be said for ruby and jaune's relationship. leaving them in shambles like this feels so wrong and i think there's more expanding left to do in order for them to either reconcile or things change entirely (for better or for worse). if v10 is the last one, so be it, but it needs to end the show in a way that makes enough sense, not only overall but in regards to jaune and ruby
Its also depressing because they're the exact person who can fix the others issue if only the other person wasn't mentally breaking themselves. Ruby needs someone to lean on, to take the weight of leadership that is overwhelming her. We have seen Jaune do that in the past and he's willing to step up and hold that weight, to make the tough calls when Ruby cannot. Even when around others who would theoretically fill that niche better like Ozpin or Qrow, its Jaune that she relys on when she feels overwhelmed, because even without her asking for it he will throw himself into a task to help others. She needs that hand to pull her up behind his shield and lift for her so she can regain her footing. Jaune needs someone to believe in him, to pull him back to his feet. Even if Ruby isn't overtly checking on his mental state before v9, she's relying on him to fulfill tasks which makes him feel useful, like he's providing something to the party. Jaune is a person who at one point basically all but yells out in the Cinder fight that he's basically just thwre to be another body to throw at the problem. Despite his front, he's often the one who struggle to see his own worth, and Ruby's constant use of him as both moral support, another leader to bounce ideas off of, or in actually making use of the martial skills he has (Jaune isn't the most skilled but he's insanely tough, pretty physically strong, and isn't afraid to take a hit, all useful skills to have when the party lacks more tanky fighters). In his broken state, he needs Ruby's fauth in him to make up for his lack of faith in himself (Ruby thinks I'm useful so I have to be useful even if I don't see it myself). Both basically instinctively reached out for the support the other gives subconsciously and found nothing there which is the breaking point. If either was in a better state they would be able to provide the aid the other needs perfectly, like they have so many times before. But they're not so they both shatter even further, feeding into each other's spirals unknowingly until it all comes tumbling down.
I normally don't go into shipping too hard, and don't really watch RWBY anymore (the writing in season 5&6 was very meh for me)... But things like this are why I'm hoping that at the end of the series, these two will be paired up. If they aren’t, for whatever reason then okay, but they make immense sense as a couple. Or just particularly well-synced battle buddies. I'll take either.
Jaune and Ruby are the deuteragonists of RWBY as the show seems built around them even if they may not be the main focus of episodes sometimes. Even though the show is called RWBY, Weiss, Blake, and Yang act more as supporting protagonists, but are not the main ones if that makes sense. I feel like everyone has felt like Jaune or Ruby before. You either vent and blame yourself or you repress your emotions and thoughts until they mentally exhaust you.
This is one of the best RWBY analysis videos on TH-cam PERIOD. Everything was well thought out and articulated. Ruby and Jaune have such amazing chemistry, I'm dying to see how they will make up after the argument. They need to hug.
This is incredible. I have taken my hand at analyzing their relationship before, and based on this last chapter, but I did not go as deep or as meta-analyzing every detail as you've done here. I can't believe that I missed so many parts. Even from the start, Ruby and Jaune were, in Lindsay's words, "two sides of the same coin". Your explanation of their parallel paths and the idea and ideals of Destiny was inspired. I need to rewatch the series from the start and look out for these details. You almost brought me to tears (again) upon reflecting on their relationship, I didn't pick up on each trying to hurt one another, but it makes so much sense. Ruby knew exactly what to say to drive that arrow deeper into Jaune, mocking everything he had done for the past decade or so. Jaune, in turn, knew how to twist the knife towards Ruby. Blaming her for their failed plan. Each one's guilt very clear in their words and reactions. Ruby seemed to want Jaune to react in this manner and blame her, but at the same time, it seems as if she wanted him to comfort her, as he did in Kuroyuri. I didn't even consider that his reaction would cause Ruby to doubt Jaune's past sincerity at Kuroyuri, but it likely did. That is tragic and makes this situation tenfold more sad. Amazing video, you've earned a subscriber.
It’s like Joe said. Jeanne and Ruby are Day and Night, Jeanne stews in his own problems and regrets as well as his failures while Ruby on the other hand puts others before herself or is so caught up in helping them up that she doesn’t have the opportunity or moment to truly address her pain, trauma, or even her own guilt. Were they right in the way they felt? Yes. Were they wrong in how they took it out their friends when one was left with the weight his actions over several decades as well as trying to be a hero while the other was always saving everyone but never being saved in a way herself? In a way yes. But that’s just me reiterating and adding my own take on things
I honestly think from your theory that not only do they have that foil of each other, but part of me kept feeling like they were going to grow as natural lovers with how much they bounce off each other from their foils have one step up when the other can’t, and now that both are grieving & broken they take it out on the other the most cause as being a foil to each other, they are also the other half that both sides need. But instead they hurt each other from going too far that they need time apart. Jaune & Ruby need each other to bring out their best, which I am sure they will find out since Blake & Yang needed each other too.
Another possible foil is their parents expectations of their career: The way you talk about Ruby's destiny reminds me of how it's implied in Red Like Roses II that Summer never wanted Ruby to be a huntress. And considering everything that has happened to her, we know why now. Jaunes parents on the other hand didn't have much faith in him to begin with. They assumed he'd fail. And in a certain point of view, his own specifically, he did. Ruby's mother never wanted her to bare the burden of a huntress. She'd be good at it, but it at what cost? Jaune's parents never thought he was fit to be a huntsman. He'd eventually fail and possibly live with the shame. Their very lineage had negative views on their decisions that, so far, turned out to be true. Only time will tell if they can still prove them wrong or overcome that fact.
Excellent analysis Joe. Never thought of the foil angle before. As you suggested most do, I only noticed the similarity. I have wondered why JNPR almost seem as central to the story as the title characters at times. I figured it was either to show RWBY need friends to reach final victory or to demonstrate consequences of failure. The writers cannot kill off a member of RWBY. But they make RWBY watch a team on the same journey suffer and die for confronting Salem and failing. Funnily enough what really stood out to me the most was , "it's not about if someone was right or wrong." Thank you for saying it. I have seen so many stupid arguments for Team Ruby/Team Jaune the last few days.
that was a really good analysis, another character i think is heavily linked to Ruby is Oscar, someone who has a destiny forced upon him, having to hide his true feelings, and ruby always helping him, like the scene at the dojo, or as his unarmed training partner, or deciding to tell stuff to Ironwood...
Amazing work dude, thouroughly enjoyed the analysis! I like that you didn't say one was more right than the other, that they were BOTH right and wrong, that arguments aren't as black and white as people want them to be. Your voice is also super pleasant to listen to, you've got yourself a new sub :D
I dropped RWBY after volume 6 because I couldn't handle the writing anymore. I was so focused on any character other than Jaune and Ruby that I'd just dropped it because I didn't care anymore. Your video helped me realize that, despite the extensive cast and the jumping attention between characters, that I can still enjoy just one thing. I've loved Jaune and Ruby's relationship from the very beginning of the show, and it was remiss of me to forget that because a room of writers didn't take _everything_ in the story to their fullest potential, or didn't go down a route _I_ would have preferred. There's plenty of media out there that I enjoy still, despite not agreeing with some of the messages or routes taken, because of a character, plot device, or relationship between characters. I'll pick RWBY back up now. Thanks for focusing on the positives of the narrative, and for not making light of the recent, *_ahem_* , memes.
In the topic of Foils, I’ve long thought of Mercury as being Qrow’s; abusive background, bad boyish personalities, sister figures they’ve grown distant to, contrasting views of their semblance and emotional repression. Also, I don’t feel Jaune being able to keep up with his far better trained teammates implies a lack of talent. Ruby was probably projecting Penny on the Paper pleasers; trying to convince herself that Penny wasn’t real and she shouldn’t be grieving her.
It's interesting that he said Penny represents hope for Ruby. The racoon's price for Penny's sword was "Enough hope to fill this jar." The Price for Yang's arm was "Knowing what it is like to be loved." Which at the time Blake and Yang didn't know where to go with their relationship. It's an interesting connection that I just now made because of this video.
I relate to ruby so much. In my friend group when someone is upset or there's conflict within the group everyone comes to me for comfort or advice. I'm always the mediator or voice of reason. Now I love my friends dearly, they're a second family to me. And because of this I ended up bottling up my own feelings because I believed their's were more important than my own and that by me opening up about my problems i'd be pushing the burden onto them and making their issues worse by them worrying about me. And so It continued this way until yesterday really. There was an argument between friends who had a messy breakup weeks prior. I tried to fix the situation by appeasing both parties but nobody would listen and I became overwhelmed and snapped and lashed out and had a mental breakdown. It's really odd, I haven't watched rwby since like volume 5 and hadn't even thought about it and then on the night of this happening to me I get recommended videos about RWBY's outburst in the last episode out of nowhere...weiiirddddd Difference being, My situation was sort of my own doing rather than being thrust upon me.
This is the best take I've seen! I encountered someone online who was INSISTENT on someone being right and someone (Yang) being wrong. They went so far as to say that Yang is not only a bad sister but that I (who went through a lot of the same mental problems as Ruby by bottling my emotions and running from them) was a f**king baby for "not seeing the facts that were right in front of me." You fully explained things the way they were while giving credit to the writers for being good at their jobs! Thank you!
Ruby and Jaune kinda resemble my mental state. I have days where I don't feel like I'm good enough, so I bottle up my emotions so I can be good enough, but we all know how that turns out.
I thought I was the only one with the same theory. Thank you for this video it really supported what I believed in and really explains it more simple than mine
Right from V1, Jaune and Ruby's platonic relationship has been my favourite 2 person relationship in the series. I've loved the beats of V9 but not how the writers got there, but this video made me realise I might be too tunnel visioned in what I'm dissatisfied with. You've haven't me confidence, but also heartbreak because I don't see Jaune making it out of this and getting back to Remnant. I really want him to see Nora and Ren one more time at least.
The more I watch this video, the more I’m being reminded of this phrase from a fan-made Lancaster song that sounds very accurate what they mean to one another. That phrase being that Ruby is the light of Jaune’s fire while he is the rock that she relies on. This video solidifies that statement the more I listen to it, and I love it. Thank you for this.
By the Brothers. This wasn't just a great video of how close Ruby and Jaune truly are, it's also an amazing argument for why Lancaster NEEDS to be canon. Monty Oum himself would love this video being a Lancaster fan himself
This is why it hurts so much seeing how little they interacted in previous volumes before literally being shoved together at their breaking points in this volume.
@@fernandogonzales9240 Dang, what was going on with Pyrrha then? I personally disliked that Arkos was a thing, felt it would have been better as just friends or light feelings that were never shared, never explored, never given a chance to blossom. A lost chance, a what-if. Definitely not a huge crush and a big kiss before a fiery end.
not gonna lie, You should run Roosterteeth cause you made the story multiple times more depth then they could ever make it with the nonsense love with Blake and Yang
I may be about 3 day, probably turning 4 days late, but I will say that Pyrrha’s definition of destiny is a more correct definition of it, where it is a the result of a path that you work for, or maybe it is one of many results from many different paths you can take, your destiny is always changing depending on the paths you take while the word that keeps being used interchangeably with it, “fate,” is not the same even though it seems similar. Destiny is a controllable result or outcome while fate is uncontrollable, out of one’s hand.let’s refer to mythology where the sisters of fate determined that Zeus would be surpassed by one of his children, and they did, he fears and actions run similar to his father Chronos, who knew of the fate that he would be surpassed by his children so Chronos ate his children in order to not be surpassed by any of them since none should be alive, but as fate itself determined, Chronos is surpassed by Zeus and Zeus is surpassed by his children as well. Your use of the word fate and destiny is good, Jaune didn’t believe in his fate of being a normal person, not being a hero, what he believed what those around him probably thought was his fate, was actually his destiny, so he can grasp it and change it through his own work… you covered this pretty well.
It sad, when he come to terms what he say to her. The group finally found Rudy it was too late and she gave up ascending before them. Telling them she was sorry she wasn't strong enough.
this is an excellent video !! you did such a good job analysing the foil dynamic between these two. I especially loved how you went into destiny as a theme and how RWBY explores it through two schools of thought, both of which question whether or not a person has free will (determinism shenanigans). it made me think more about penny as a character and what she meant to them both through the lens of this theme, and although I definitely think she represents hope I also think she represents innocence. both ruby and jaune have experienced a loss of innocence, except jaune’s came as a result of his own free will (he kills penny himself, or in this case “hope” and “innocence”) whereas ruby has it forcibly taken from her. she had no choice. and it’s interesting because looking at V9 and how ruby and jaune evolved, it’s clear they’ve become disillusioned by their own philosophies and have had some kind of role reversal as a result. after killing his own innocence, jaune (literally) grew old and fulfilled a destiny he didn’t even know he had (the rusted knight) and has taken on the burden of it. meanwhile ruby is starting to reject her preordained “destiny” of being a hero, to the point where she even wonders if she has to be “ruby rose” anymore. but ultimately, they both think too much in black and white terms, never seeing the nuance that exists between these philosophies and always placing the blame on themselves. it’s no wonder they blew up at each other but anyway those are just my thoughts! thanks again for making the video, it was really well made
I mean this is the closest thing to a death for jaune without him actually dying. He was what, 15? 16? Hes been here for decades. hes already greying hes probably in his late 30's or 40's by now. his entire life was spent in the insanity of a make believe dream world. ALone with no friends no family and no real hope. Living with the guilt of his failure as time just marches on and getting no where. I do not see him getting back to remnant after this. Whats he gonna do? join his team again?? I doubt that hes gonna get narniad and his years would rewind when he leaves he still has to deal with decades of isolation and depression well beyond what he could handle. If anything this place is is home now its what he knows more than anything else. Ill be a little disappointed if we just manage to easily fix this problem and press undo on all of it. Jaunes been destroyed. Its like the episode of teen titans where all the other members are old and starfire finds them again. Theyre done, its over.
It is truly not said enough just how much Jaune embodies the role of the support character. Even down to his very soul, his semblance is made to heal people, bring them up, help them to unleash power they never could imagine on their own.
His and Ruby's realtionship, in my opinion, is the absolute strongest in the entire show.
Which is why them lashing out at each other hurt so much 😢😢😢😢
May the Path of Lancaster be strong thru thee end.
@@Zacker-kf1ng Who is Lancaster?
@@RoninofCrimsonMaple it's a ship name for ruby x jaune
@@plusmega4364 Oh. Why is it called that?
this is my personally interpretation and I doubt it’s right, but I feel like the most recent episode flips ruby and jaune.
jaune, the white rabbit, is constantly moving. he’s late, he’s running out of time, he needs to keep moving, one moment of rest and everything falls apart. but this cycle, while emblematic of jaune’s form of grief and coping, really highlights ruby’s flaw in her get up and go approach.
ruby is speed, she is momentum, she drives the story forward and never stops. in volume 4, where everyone got to grow and have their own very defined arcs, ruby was the vessel to keep the story moving. she had to keep going, not a moment of rest. it leads her to volume 8, where she finally breaks about ‘accomplishing nothing’. all of her forward momentum, atlas still fell, mantle was still destroyed, penny still died, the relics were still taken.
she looks at jaune, constantly moving and not accomplishing anything in his current state. he’s still stuck, all these years later, physically and mentally. how much has ruby positively changed since the start of volume 4? she cycles viciously in optimism and momentum, and it’s done NOTHING for her.
and as personal growth goes, WBY has exceeded ruby immensely. this roll of a hero has stunted her, and through jaune, we can really see that. even though they’re polar opposites in term of their way of grieving, the outcome is the same. always running out of time and always running in circles, changing nothing.
Stunted, all this time, and add in that she's a teen, younger than everyone around her, thrown into a world of adults she thought she was ready for. And for a while, she was. But she's still young, still a kid, and the weight of the world, combined with her own traumas like with her mother, are especially crushing.
A leader, a fighter, a hero, and all of that is challenged, fully challenged, here in this Womderland, where all she is is questioned. "Who/What are you"
A bit rambling, but hopefully the point gets across. That being, sometimes things have to break to make something better. Hopefully Ruby can find that better self
I love how you touched upon the "always running in circles." Chapter 1 of V9 showed this beautifully as Ruby stubbornly kept looping running towards the Tree, "keep moving forward", until she reached her limit and started to weep, defeated.
I feel you're exactly right that Ruby did become stunted. Ever since seeing Pyrrha's death she has been cracking, that mask she has worn for so long breaking piece by piece. Her method of dealing with grief is expressed at the end of V4, to carry on "If not for us then for those we've already lost". But she puts her mask back on and changes it to, "for those we haven't lost yet." She expresses this same ideal in V5 of carrying on for the sake of Penny and Pyrrha, and shown once more in V6's memories. Her dearest memories (Pyrrha dancing with Jaune, Penny confiding in Ruby, her mother) are all of the dead.
What a fantastic analysis of Ruby snd Jaune's relationship throughout the show.
Jaune has always been Ruby’s most recurring foil on the heroes’ side, Cinder being her most prominent foil on the enemy side. Other foils have come and gone, but Jaune has remained a constant, both to the story and Ruby. He always asked questions she didn’t or wouldn’t. He pushed back against Oz and Qrow for the sake of his friends, because he didn’t trust their intentions. And when the group started doubting Ruby’s leadership he mediated, played the peacekeeper, as Ruby had when he got heated about Oz’s lies.
Jaune wears his emotions on his sleeves, when he suffers he can't hide it. Ruby bottles her emotions up, always running to the next crisis, pushing her suffering to the side because "you need to keep moving forward." Jaune gets angry, he gets loud when he's in pain. But that means eventually he addresses it, works through it. Ruby's never had to confront her pain, because she's always helped others confront their own first.
Their similar drives, interests and personalities. But their differing methods, how they lead, why they lead, and the cores of their characters. Their differences bring out the best in each other, and cover the other’s shortcomings. Jaune gets the way Ruby thinks in a way that only other members of her family do, people that have known her for her entire life. Their mutual bond of support and understanding, one of the strongest and best written relationships in the entire show
Ruby was there for Jaune when nobody believed in him, not even himself. Not even Pyrrha. And Jaune stayed by Ruby’s side when she lost her team, he walked side-by-side with her across a continent on a hunch because he trusted her.
And now when both need that confidant most, their pillar of support is gone.
Pyrrha always believed in Jaune though, even before they became partners, she believed he would be a good team leader after Weiss belittled him, even before Ruby’s pep talk.
When did Pyrrha not trust Jaune? That part fails to me.
The rest is flawless, an incredible description to be honest.
@@alejandrodiazmera2650 I think they’re playing on the fact that Ruby believed in Jaune before Pyrrha was even in the Picture for real. Someone as skilled as Ruby would have seen that Jaune was beyond an amateur, but Ruby never pointed it out or questioned him being there despite having no trauma bias like Pyrrha does.
@@tetragaming6332 I don't think that is a good basis to determine who had more faith in Jaune.
And their sisters would probably believe in him much before than Ruby but that doesn't mean that was equally important to his develop as a huntsman.
Also if we are seeing things as Pyrrha only saw that due to a trauma bias Ruby could have done it due to her excesive innocence in conjuction with a bias due to see Jaune as someone in the same position as her, a novice leader that feels uncapable to play their role, and if she can't believe in Jaune why believe in herself?
When has Ruby bottled her emotions up? She's talked about them constantly with her friends, INCLUDING Jaune in Volume 4. Wearing her emotions on her sleeve IS a major part of Ruby's character. I can't believe you chose this of all things when talking about their alleged differences. You seem to want to frame Jaune as the more reasonable one, even though he's literally had decades to work through his trauma over Penny like you claim, all the time he could ever want to, yet hadn't. And going against Oz and Qrow wasn't Jaune's idea, either. I don't want to shit on him or downplay what good he has done, but some parts of your comment are really weird and seem like nothing but headcanons.
This last episode was a good example of the following saying: Hurt people hurt people.
I don't think they told her penny fucking died again
@@mackobalt2630 they did in the first episode or second episode of vol 9
@@tannerk2911 yes but he didn’t mention he killed penny so I’m waiting for teams RWBYs reaction to that
@@petezthegangsta4750 true true
@@petezthegangsta4750 He.. literally said he killed Penny in last episode. And Weiss saw it herself in vol 8.
You could even say the way they handled the fall out of the argument matches how they grieve. Jaune being the one to wear his grief on his sleeve apologizes afterwards and acknowledges he knows he’s not okay. While Ruby being the one to bottle everything up tells Blake to shut up when she tried to cheer her up and then runs away from all of them. Man the writing is sooo good this volume.
This is honestly probably the best writing since Volume 6 in my opinion
@@Ponch126 It's either that or the best since Volume 7, imo. 7 had a very, very consistent script and tension building during the whole thing, and despite some weird decisions from characters during, say, V7 Chapter 12, in general it's a very well structured volume that had a fantastic climax to the whole build up it had. V9 has been doing the same, but we'll have to see how well it keeps escalating.
Jaune is so much more emotionally mature than most if the others his age, tbh.
I've been out since volume 5, how has it gone?
@@ImpossibleCarl69 My favorite thing about volume 7 was the fight with Cinder, Penny, Winter, and the old winter maiden. Love that they let the old lady go down in a blaze of frozen glory.
CRWBY actually stated that Jaune and Ruby are two sides of the same coin.
Jaune and Ruby honestly had the best relationship throughout the whole series. I always felt that Ruby was closer to Jaune than she was to the rest of her teammates. With her teammates, she always had to be their leader and the one to pick them back up. But with Jaune, she could just be herself and they could confide in each other.
But now, they can't...
They have suffered too much and things can't be like they were before. Does this mean that they will never be friends again? Or will they actually rekindle and reforge their bond stronger than ever? Time will tell.
the only side character to be in volume 9 he is important and appeared before Blake
Ruby is stuck being everyone’s hero, drowning and wanting someone to save her.
Jaune is doing everything in his power to be a hero, yet fails to save anyone else and can only save Ruby.
Stuck being a hero? Um, I don’t really know how else to say this. I think that ruby actively sought out to be a hero, and refused to change course. She wants to be something she doesn’t know realistic how to be.
The part about Jaune that possibly scares me the most… is that he’s based off of Joan of Arc. For those who don’t know her story, she met a pretty gruesome end. It makes me wonder if this is possibly the beginning of the end for Jaune. Just remember that every single member of team JNPR are based off of mythological characters that end up dying. (Jaune= Joan of Arc, Nora= Thor, Pyrrha= Achilles, Ren= Mulan)
Joan of Arc was burned alive
Thor was poisoned by Jörmungandr
Achilles was shot by an arrow
Mulan committed suicide
Damn
Technically Jeanne asphyxiated on the smoke, victims of that particular execution method weren't actually burned to death. There wasn't any screaming, just coughing. And if someone sentenced to burn at the stake was to catch on fire or audibly suffered in a more uncomfortable way, an archer was on standby to shoot them. That's how the Medieval Europeans did it. The Catholic Church didn't want to be too cruel (by their standards).
It would be Jaune, Nora, and lastly Ren if we go by how it would seem the deaths would happen. If it does come true.
Jaune being himself would be killed by Cinder. Possibly like Pyrrha, he would die of valor but would be a terrifying death. Not to mention if he is a legend, he would seem his life could be set in stone knowing he would be like in the books of fairy tales and it wouldn't change what has happened in the bed time story.
Nora would maybe turn into a grimm and die a grimm/live but be like Salem as she would be forced to live like a grimm and even be a evil twin of herself. Unless there would be a giant snake that would gobble her up instead.
Ren being the last one would be the guy to give up after losing his last teammate/girlfriend on the team. He does have a rational mind but I imagine even he will have breaking points that kill the mind aside from the body.
This is my thoughts from what it seems if the team would be doing deaths based on their myth.
Reminder that while the fairytale and mythological motifs are important in RWBY, the characters themselves are not going to meet the same fates nor characterization as their roots (ie Raven betraying Oz (Odin), Cinder's midnight being a wholly different ordeal, Torchwick ultimately losing, etc.)
@@wastrelpervway to make it worse Jesus
I think one of the reasons I love the dichotomy of Jaune and Ruby is because it reminds a lot of Aang and Korra
Aang is a normal kid learning to become the avatar, Korra is the avatar learning to be a normal teenager
Jaune is a normal guy learning to be a Huntsman, Ruby is a born Huntress who never got to be a normal girl
Ruby: *finally let's out years of pent up rage of feeling the weight of the world on her shoulders, a fate she never asked for and, despite being with her friends and loved ones, feels isolated and alone and everyone is blind to her suffering*
Fans: "Ruby's homophobic."
Next episode
Ruby: "CHEMICALS IN THE WATER ARE TURNING THE FREAKIN FAUNAS GAY!"
She drank the
Drank the gay water
I should'nt have laugh so much at this. But dang, you got me good. 😂
In fairness that meme was pretty funny
Yang and Blake had other times to confess. After the fall of a city and them being stuck in a different world (which forced them to confess btw) wasn't such a good time
One of the best videos about Jaune/Ruby situation. I hope the next chapter Jaune speak about Penny to each other and he try to speak with Ruby, i think he's the only one who can help Ruby in this moment
in Ruby's current state of mind, if Jaune tells her He KILLED Penny, Ruby is going to open that schyte and turn hum into ribbons
@@barbarar2216 And even if she does believe it, she'll probably be mad at Penny for even suggesting it, regardless of how good her intentions were. Suicide, especially assisted suicide, is distasteful.
@@kidprime6863 Penny offered Ruby the same chance, "Kill me, kill me... and the power will go to you..." which she devoutly ignored and tried to find another way. Its no coincidence that Ruby's trauma during the Jabberwalker fight manifested in that moment.
@@HighPriestFuneralthat time was rough
Sure ruby would have gotten the winter powers but it wasn’t worth losing her friend
Terrible thing that after all that effort, Penny still died 😢
Exactly
Actually come to think of it couldn't you also say Jaune was always destined to be a Hero? He's the Rusted Knight. A hero from a popular fairy tale that has existed for decades. But the only way that even happens is because he went to beacon and got wrapped up in the battle with Salem. Doesn't that mean that RWBY's timeline is looped and that Jaune was always supposed to got to beacon and become the Rusted Knight?
Odds are Lewis, having escaped (not Alyx) became an Oz incarnation in time, which is why he allowed Jaune into Beacon, knowing what this boy would eventually become.
Yeah I still think we don't know the full story about Alyx and Lewis. My bet is, the only reason why Lewis is not in the story and Alyx is portrayed nicer than she actually was is because the one who returned to Remnant and wrote the story was actually Lewis. It would be way easier for him to write the story about all those characters he met and cared for, as opposed to Alyx who was cold and cruel to them. Why would she want to remember or even commemorate them by writing a book about them and sharing it with the world? Plus it's easier to write a book about someone else than yourself. The question is this however: if Lewis escaped, what happened to Alyx? The opening clearly has Neo's painting at the end transitioning into Alyx on the beach. Could Neo and Alyx be connected in some way we haven't considered yet? Their hateful natures are already very similar after all...
@@HighPriestFuneral I didn't even think of this! I now hope this is what happened!
@@HighPriestFuneral tbh I wondered if this had something to do with Oz, considering that a good few of the stories has some direct or indirect attachment to him. To my knowledge (Kinda fell out of rwby until I saw some clips from volume 9) with the maidens, the gods, and maybe this. Even a few of the fairytales were recorded by him. Considering he's been around since the very early days of Remnant, it's possible that the fairytales of the world has a real story behind it especially the ones recorded by Ozpin. Even to go so far as the Rwby Fairytales deluxe edition book is the very same book that Ozpin owns.
While that makes sense from the timeline perspective, it doesn't break the motif the video sets up because the inciting incident to *all* of it was Jaune taking fate into his hands
I'm really hoping Jaune gets a new weapon. It's like you said. His weapon is his great GREAT grandfather's sword. He is figuratively and literally carrying the weight of the past. Misdeeds, misteps, and mistakes and all that it's history comes with. Since he helped Ruby find her rose, maybe she can help him find or even better yet FORGE a new weapon with him. Not to say he should just dump his old arms, just keep them as a memento but ultimately leave it behind
Jaune: I'm not THAT depressed
Ruby: hold my teacup.
Crwby also said in interview after last episode that Jaune and ruby 2 sides of the same coin it . It’s also shown in how they developed as warriors Jaune was a late bloomer he likely didn’t show the natural talent on surface like his peers when they were kids as evidenced by his parents lack in faith of his ability to make it at beacon it wasn’t until Pyrrha mentored him that potential started to show whereas for ruby combat came easily and it didn’t take long for her to get strong
could you give me a link to the interview
@@adonaimelles2317 rooster teeth clips TH-cam I think
The reason that Lancaster is my OTP is because they have a great dynamic with each other that is unlike most ships.
They have a dynamic that makes them similar but contrast each other in every way, unlike their other pairings.
Another thing is that if you look back on their history, Jaune has never once talked about, mention, or allude to Ruby's eyes or their power. He treats Ruby the way she always wanted to be treated. Like a normal girl with normal knees.
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Thanks to your video, I've come to realize that Jaune and Ruby are the only ones with great charaterzations on who they are, which is consistent.
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If what youre saying about Jaune and Ruby and their destiny is true, wouldnt that mean at some point Jaune will accept his destiny and Ruby will fight her destiny
Same. I would love it if all the Weiss and Oscar stuff was just a temporary distraction/ an example of showing young characters experiencing attraction to other people before finally ending up with the person they were meant to be with all along. I hate the Ruby/Oscar pairing more than any other in the whole series.
Definitely enjoyed the parallels that you found in there between Jaune and Ruby. It was awesome seeing those differences between Jaune being “broken” and Ruby, likewise, being “lost”. I hadn’t even connected those images until you had talked about that. Volume 9 is really pulling at the heart strings this time. I just hope that they will make it out of the Ever After and with theirselves and weapons back to normal. I truthfully don’t want to see Ruby with another weapon, after all, she took so much pride in making it and it has always been the signature thing that us fans know.
I hadn't thought about her weapon being remade too. Would actually be kinda neat if the tree gives her a weapon that more resembles her mother's or something cool like that
Joe: Volume 1 Jaune wasn't that popular.
Pyrha: I'm going dork hunting.
Precisely, because Pyrrha liked that her status as such an accomplished athlete and warrior had never even crossed his mind beyond something as simple as the same cereal he got his sweatshirt from
@@Axolautism yeah and watching there relationship grow was sweet
“This last episode was a rough watch“
The next episode: *I’m about to end this man’s whole career*
The paper pleasers village is actually more like Mantle in a way. Both Ruby and Jaune are going down the dark path Ironwood did and it shows in how both treat the village. Jaune uses it and the people as an excuse to not confront trauma, while Ruby dismissed it, like when Ironwood called Mantle "a few city blocks".
I've seen some parallels to Ironwood in Ruby (Yang even mentioned that in Chapter 6), and in some ways Jaune's trauma of protecting the Paper Pleasers "no matter the cost", is very much like Ironwood as well. The village was even destroyed in the same way Mantle was ultimately destroyed. That's why I really liked the idea of Ruby and Ironwood as antagonist foils, the two were more alike than Ruby would ever admit.
@@HighPriestFuneral basically the leader figures end up becoming similar to each other, especially since ironwood jaune ruby all care a lot
The weakest part of RWBYs story telling is literally team RWBY. There's zero chemistry between the four girls but somehow we're supposed to cheer and support them 😂 Jaune and Ruby have a better on screen chemistry than anyone else in the story, and somehow it works any way you look at it. Friends? Yes. Siblings? Better than Yang and Ruby at least. You can even say their relationship is romantic, too. But yes, team RWBY is the focus.
honestly I was hesitant to watch this video because rwbytubers/rwby analysis videos tend to be very Bad but this one is actually so good and I wanted you to know that. Thank You for the great analysis (also I do mean this as a genuine compliment, my brain is just not computing right now)
right???? I was SCARED when i clicked on it, but this was a really good take!
Glad you enjoyed it!
You know what makes it sad for me is that Jaune is based off Joan of Arc and she’s the exact opposite. Everything pretty much went perfectly for her until the very end.
Isn't that even sadder? To know that everything in your life has gone exactly the way you wanted and yet your end is still horrific and tragic? Side note to that is how Joan of Arc had swore that her sword would never be stained with the blood of the innocent. And Jaune's sword broke immediately after being stained with Penny's. Joan of Arc and Jaune's stories are mirrored from start and hopefully finish. Jaune deserves a happy ending.
@@andrewaigalew huh gotta give the writers credit, genius.
maybe thats a good sign? Everythings going really bad for Jaune this whole time, so therefore maybe he'll get his perfect ending.
So you're saying that she was more like Ruby...
@@angeldude101 except Ruby's life hasn't been perfect leading up to an unfortunate end. She lost her mother at a young age, never had a lot of friends and was always considered quirky and weird for her love of weapons, eventually had a good streak, getting into a good school, met new friends, before everything came crashing down with a fresh new wave of loss and trauma, we see her having sleepless nights with nightmares months after Beacon during the trip to Haven, only to then have the futility of their situation revealed to her through the lamp and all the burden of raising everyone's morale was placed on her without a moment to work on her own issues even in Atlas. And we all know how that hot mess ended too.
You think there's a significant reason why Jaune saw Cresant Rose while he was falling and gave it to Ruby twice (you know what they say about the third times the charm)
This is why I ship them. Because through it all they've been together and they understand each other perfectly. Oscar and Ruby are pretty much just an attraction. He doesn't know Ruby and he's not on an intimate level like Ruby and Jaune are. Like minded souls make the best couples. And you just don't get that with Oscar.
Interestingly I think between Jaune and Ruby it can also be said that their teams are also foils to each other in the way that they support their leaders. Because Jaune's suffering and grief is clear and out there, the rest of JNPR always knew what he was going through and could find a way to address it with him, a great example being in Vol 5 when Jaune finds Pyrrha's statue in Argus after he exploded on Oscar. He apologizes to Ren and Nora only for Ren to tell him "Jaune, this needs to stop." and he and Nora finally get a moment to talk about their grief.
On the flip side, team RWBY has a lot of strong personalities, most of whom have a tendency to bottle things up and/or find ways to compensate. Ruby is always trying to pick people up, Yang resorts to anger self-reliance (like many abandoned/neglected children), Blake compensates with either isolation or various attempts at reconciliation (as seen after her return to the team in vol 5) Weiss, much like Ruby, doesn't talk about it or shrugs it off. Ruby's team has seen her plans and tactics, no matter how slapdash they were, succeed and for that they trust her judgment and wait for her to make the call, but because of that, they fail to notice when she's bottling things up because they're all caught up in their own shit, they can't see her suffering because they've been conditioned to think "It's Ruby, I'm sure she'll be fine."
tl;dr- their team dynamics are conducive to the way they grieve and has contributes to their dynamic as foils
You know, there is no romantic interaction between them….like at all. But I can see them being a Great Couple.
I'd love to see their story continue with Ruby being the one to fix Jaune's sword and armor, making him the shining knight, while Jaune helps Ruby confront her mother's fate.
Listen, I've always appreciated Jaune as a character and often found him to be the most relatable, but this? This deep dive into the suffering he's undergone? I can't stress enough as to how much memory flooded into my mind and reminded me of all of the pain Jaune has endured and was ALWAYS relegated to a 'side character,' all the while Ruby endured HELL and was expected to smile the entire damn time she watched the world burn.
It's... It's like opening old wounds, but doing so to finally let them heal... It's weird.
How did you make this sorcery.
And let me just say, I think it was Episode 7 where Weiss mentioned how 'mature' Jaune was and I was super excited. I like Weiss, I love Jaune, I want good things for both, but this?
Man, why you gotta go throwin wrenches into shit I was about to enjoy. Now I just want Jaune to be Ruby's hero for like five second while Ruby gets a chance to be the person saved.
AND MIGHT I ADD THAT I AM HORRIBLY UPSET THAT YOU HAVE MADE AN ALREADY PAINFUL EPISODE SO MUCH MORE PAINFUL.
That's why i ship them.
But serious though this is a good analysis on their dynamic. There both similar and yet different. They are the most kindest person in the show and seeing them argue for the first time is heartbreaking. They both have been struggling for so long and i hope they can work their problems out.
Weiss, Ruby. I wouldn't even care who he ends up with. Both are good.
@@kidprime6863 same here man, I ship him with Ruby because of Summer/Tai and they have great chemistry with each other.
As for Weiss, Jaune had a crush on her, and he also saved her life. He is her knight in shining armor.
@@kidprime6863 Hmm, yes. Jaune gets both.
@@GhostofTerra Let me rephrase that "Both are good girls"
@kidprime6863 I agree on that too.
I really hope that they end up together in the end of the series
Me too. I had been planning to draw their children when all of a sudden they started hinting at the Oscar ship that nobody asked for. Hopefully that doesn't last. Oscar is just a kid who should still be single by the end of the series. If they have to ship him with someone, let it be Whitley. At least Whitley is around his age. Plus, there'd be an official male-male ship in the series. Two birds, one stone. The only Ruby ships I ever liked were her with Jaune (#1) and her with Penny.
@@SailorRemnantI could be wrong, but I think Oscar might die at the end.
12:50 I've been saying the same thing about Ruby with Penny. She sees Penny the same as how everyone else sees her. The light of hope that keeps them going.
I think Ruby and Jaune Definitions of Destiny are flipped actually. We're made to ASSUME Jaune never would have made it and Ruby was Destined from Birth. Looking back now, knowing what we know about Ozpin and everything. I think Ozpin KNEW Jaune was Destined to be a hero from the very beginning. Possibly having been Lewis in the Ever After. Ruby he just saw potential in. And because of this and being brought to Beacon too early Ruby is failing. We've seen from the very beginning that despite wanting to help she KEEPS losing. None of her plans work. But because everyone THINKS she's this Destined Hero she has this pressure on her that is making EVERYTHING so much WORSE! Every lose, every failure. She's struggling with the weight of this supposed Destiny when in reality she's just trying her best to be what everyone sees in her. What she grew up reading about. Jaune on the other hand, started off badly but he's showed significant progress and his plans tend to work out. When he has the time to carry them out.
this video makes me ship them
I honestly think you hit the nail on the head here and with Jaune being Ruby's Ultimate foil she's his they both highlight the similar and different ascpects of eachother. Jaune has been both Ruby's best foil and honestly her only real remaining support pillar ever since vol 3. He's been with her for so long even when her team wasn't. This question has been on my mind since this latest episode but in terms of Friendship's team WBY to Ruby seem more like coworkers/ friends from work where Jaune seems more like Ruby's actual best friend.
I mean think about it aside from Beacon (Which they spent most of their time chasing Roman/White fang) have they every really spent time together as a whole team outside of missions, just them getting to know eachother and learn more about eachother on a personal level? I think if Jaune had arrived at the same time as Ruby on the beach he'd know right away something isn't right with her simply because their much closer than WBY are to Ruby.
Ruby's grieving process in a nutshell:
'I was angry with my friend;
I told my wrath, my wrath did end.
I was angry with my foe:
I told it not, my wrath did grow.
And I watered it in fears,
Night and morning with my tears:
And I sunned it with smiles,
And with soft deceitful wiles.
And it grew, both day and night.
Till it bore an apple bright;
And my foe beheld it shine,
And he knew that it was mine.
And into my garden stole,
When the night had veiled the pole;
In the morning glad I see;
My foe outstretched beneath the tree.'
For all of Cinder's beliefs about destiny, she doesn't seem to notice that destiny has a way of continuously giving her the middle finger.
I remember the scene in vol. 1 where Ruby told Jaune that he had to be strong because he was a team leader. to me, it seems like Ruby forgot that and her having her breakdown just made it seem as though she didn't really believe he could be a leader. the worse part is how Ruby arrived in the Ever After and ran into the others less than a few hours later while Jaune had been alone for possibly well over 20 years at this point before seeing them again. it was only when they started talking about how crazy he sounded that he realized they didn't really think about if he had survived the fall or if Cinder had just killed him. you can see at the end of vol. 8 as he's running, Winter tries to reach out to him only for it to be too late
I really hope Jaune and Ruby get together. They would make a good match
i ship them
jaune is ruby first friend. the bond they have is stronger than anyone in the story
Despite the fact I stopped watching RWBY, I always kinda felt like Ruby and Jaune were either great friends where they're like siblings. My brother and I often blamed eachother and yelled at eachother non-stop when we were in tough situations or just angry and stressed. Ruby and Jaune were the characters I often thought/think of anytime I really think back about RWBY. I do hope that the rift between the characters is mended, but not fully. Not all things heal with time.
"Their designs are (K)NIGHT and DAY" (you know: because Ruby is able to projekt light out of her eyes...) 🤷♀😉
- Yang would be proud... 😂
The Lancaster is strong with you.
Jaune definitely is a good foil for Ruby in my opinion. I think you absolutely nailed it in this video. Ever since last week's episode...I've been craving Volume 9 content...analyses, theories, etc. It's all good for me. I remember the ending of Ruby fleeing and everybody else being left behind staring onward stunned hit me like a gut punch. It was that impactful.
Personally, I think Jaune might sacrifice himself to the tree so team Rwby can leave the everafter, which would be very heartbreaking. He failed at every turn to be a hero, suffered loss after loss, and, in the end, performed one successful act of heroism as a broken, worn down martyr.
...I made myself really sad just now
I don’t see Ruby letting him doing that
She’d want to take his place
@@oyelajataofeek4638 And yet he'd stop her.
Reminds me of a certain scene in Avengers: Endgame.
He doesn't die.
@@zerosen1972 I saw. I'm glad I was wrong!
Status report: it’s nothing even remotely like that. Sorry to say.
I do so love finding positive and thought-out RWBY discussion. :) Thanks for this, it's good stuff!
I’d like to see at least sometime this volume where Blake and Ruby are together and the ladder says that Blake was right and that life isn’t a fairy tale only for the former to tell Ruby that even if they aren’t making it that much better they still try and then says she and the others will try to see if they can help Ruby feel better.
Hey I know Ruby’s mist self said that but having Blake be the one to try and refute the negative point would show how far she’s come and finally show the others trying to help Ruby.
It's never too late to save somebody.
@Kid Prime, that's a lie. There's always a too late, and some people just dont want or need to be saved.
@@dragenfire68 Very true, but that doesn't mean you can't try
Jaune is my favorite character in Rwby.
Thanks for the awesome video
This video is begging to make me want to make Lancaster my favorite ship over White Knight. Almost. I really hope these two make up by seasons end. They need each other. And I hope Jaune changes back so they can be proper friends again
There's a point where it tips
There's a point where it breaks
There's a point where it bends
And a point we just can’t take anymore
There's a line that we’ll cross
And there’s no return
There's a time and a place
No bridges left to burn anymore
This is the best analysis I have seen to date, amazing work!!
As we all know, Ruby wants to do better. She knows a lot about the Ascension thing works, which is a possible reason why Neo had gotten powerful because when she crash-landed, she may have snapped her neck. So, in a future episode, there is a possibility of Ruby wanting to commit suicide within that land to improve herself.
She is that broken.
Yes, I copy and paste my comments. It's easier that way.
I can see it tbh.
@@sakurahirawa hmm hmm. 😔
Bruh.
@@midnightdragon67 for some reason, I get the feeling you're about to cry.
@@soulsearcher117 You seem mad
this is exactly why i think volume 10 is gonna be so important. i know it's probably not gonna happen and that the show has taken too many hits to the point where v10 is more unlikely than not, but i feel like there's so much more to be said for ruby and jaune's relationship. leaving them in shambles like this feels so wrong and i think there's more expanding left to do in order for them to either reconcile or things change entirely (for better or for worse). if v10 is the last one, so be it, but it needs to end the show in a way that makes enough sense, not only overall but in regards to jaune and ruby
Its also depressing because they're the exact person who can fix the others issue if only the other person wasn't mentally breaking themselves. Ruby needs someone to lean on, to take the weight of leadership that is overwhelming her. We have seen Jaune do that in the past and he's willing to step up and hold that weight, to make the tough calls when Ruby cannot. Even when around others who would theoretically fill that niche better like Ozpin or Qrow, its Jaune that she relys on when she feels overwhelmed, because even without her asking for it he will throw himself into a task to help others. She needs that hand to pull her up behind his shield and lift for her so she can regain her footing.
Jaune needs someone to believe in him, to pull him back to his feet. Even if Ruby isn't overtly checking on his mental state before v9, she's relying on him to fulfill tasks which makes him feel useful, like he's providing something to the party. Jaune is a person who at one point basically all but yells out in the Cinder fight that he's basically just thwre to be another body to throw at the problem. Despite his front, he's often the one who struggle to see his own worth, and Ruby's constant use of him as both moral support, another leader to bounce ideas off of, or in actually making use of the martial skills he has (Jaune isn't the most skilled but he's insanely tough, pretty physically strong, and isn't afraid to take a hit, all useful skills to have when the party lacks more tanky fighters). In his broken state, he needs Ruby's fauth in him to make up for his lack of faith in himself (Ruby thinks I'm useful so I have to be useful even if I don't see it myself).
Both basically instinctively reached out for the support the other gives subconsciously and found nothing there which is the breaking point. If either was in a better state they would be able to provide the aid the other needs perfectly, like they have so many times before. But they're not so they both shatter even further, feeding into each other's spirals unknowingly until it all comes tumbling down.
I normally don't go into shipping too hard, and don't really watch RWBY anymore (the writing in season 5&6 was very meh for me)... But things like this are why I'm hoping that at the end of the series, these two will be paired up. If they aren’t, for whatever reason then okay, but they make immense sense as a couple.
Or just particularly well-synced battle buddies. I'll take either.
I want both.
Jaune and Ruby are the deuteragonists of RWBY as the show seems built around them even if they may not be the main focus of episodes sometimes. Even though the show is called RWBY, Weiss, Blake, and Yang act more as supporting protagonists, but are not the main ones if that makes sense.
I feel like everyone has felt like Jaune or Ruby before. You either vent and blame yourself or you repress your emotions and thoughts until they mentally exhaust you.
I really ship them
Better than Rose Garden, in my opinion.
Me too, friend
@@kidprime6863 Definitely!
Same
This is one of the best RWBY analysis videos on TH-cam PERIOD. Everything was well thought out and articulated.
Ruby and Jaune have such amazing chemistry, I'm dying to see how they will make up after the argument. They need to hug.
This is incredible. I have taken my hand at analyzing their relationship before, and based on this last chapter, but I did not go as deep or as meta-analyzing every detail as you've done here. I can't believe that I missed so many parts. Even from the start, Ruby and Jaune were, in Lindsay's words, "two sides of the same coin". Your explanation of their parallel paths and the idea and ideals of Destiny was inspired. I need to rewatch the series from the start and look out for these details.
You almost brought me to tears (again) upon reflecting on their relationship, I didn't pick up on each trying to hurt one another, but it makes so much sense. Ruby knew exactly what to say to drive that arrow deeper into Jaune, mocking everything he had done for the past decade or so. Jaune, in turn, knew how to twist the knife towards Ruby. Blaming her for their failed plan. Each one's guilt very clear in their words and reactions. Ruby seemed to want Jaune to react in this manner and blame her, but at the same time, it seems as if she wanted him to comfort her, as he did in Kuroyuri. I didn't even consider that his reaction would cause Ruby to doubt Jaune's past sincerity at Kuroyuri, but it likely did. That is tragic and makes this situation tenfold more sad.
Amazing video, you've earned a subscriber.
where did lindsay say that could you provide a link to where she said that
@@adonaimelles2317 Ah, the last RWBY Roundtable, where they were discussing this last chapter.
I dont do this alot but holy fuck this is the best analysis video I have seen so far. Insta subscribe and sharing this to my friends right now.
Much appreciated!
It’s like Joe said. Jeanne and Ruby are Day and Night, Jeanne stews in his own problems and regrets as well as his failures while Ruby on the other hand puts others before herself or is so caught up in helping them up that she doesn’t have the opportunity or moment to truly address her pain, trauma, or even her own guilt. Were they right in the way they felt? Yes. Were they wrong in how they took it out their friends when one was left with the weight his actions over several decades as well as trying to be a hero while the other was always saving everyone but never being saved in a way herself? In a way yes. But that’s just me reiterating and adding my own take on things
I honestly think from your theory that not only do they have that foil of each other, but part of me kept feeling like they were going to grow as natural lovers with how much they bounce off each other from their foils have one step up when the other can’t, and now that both are grieving & broken they take it out on the other the most cause as being a foil to each other, they are also the other half that both sides need. But instead they hurt each other from going too far that they need time apart. Jaune & Ruby need each other to bring out their best, which I am sure they will find out since Blake & Yang needed each other too.
After Pyrrha died I definitely thought they were going to end up together at some point.
Damn...this was a really good analysis.
I hadn't considered their parallels before. That's good, man.
Another possible foil is their parents expectations of their career:
The way you talk about Ruby's destiny reminds me of how it's implied in Red Like Roses II that Summer never wanted Ruby to be a huntress. And considering everything that has happened to her, we know why now.
Jaunes parents on the other hand didn't have much faith in him to begin with. They assumed he'd fail. And in a certain point of view, his own specifically, he did.
Ruby's mother never wanted her to bare the burden of a huntress. She'd be good at it, but it at what cost? Jaune's parents never thought he was fit to be a huntsman. He'd eventually fail and possibly live with the shame. Their very lineage had negative views on their decisions that, so far, turned out to be true. Only time will tell if they can still prove them wrong or overcome that fact.
Excellent analysis Joe. Never thought of the foil angle before. As you suggested most do, I only noticed the similarity. I have wondered why JNPR almost seem as central to the story as the title characters at times. I figured it was either to show RWBY need friends to reach final victory or to demonstrate consequences of failure. The writers cannot kill off a member of RWBY. But they make RWBY watch a team on the same journey suffer and die for confronting Salem and failing.
Funnily enough what really stood out to me the most was , "it's not about if someone was right or wrong." Thank you for saying it. I have seen so many stupid arguments for Team Ruby/Team Jaune the last few days.
So how long has Juane been there cause I never heard a confirmed time line like how old is he now?
10-20 years
@@chudak190 damn, thanks my guy, wonder how this effects everyone else as well
@@YourLORDREDXyeah like imagine being stuck among suicidal childish npc's for 20 years
that was a really good analysis, another character i think is heavily linked to Ruby is Oscar, someone who has a destiny forced upon him, having to hide his true feelings, and ruby always helping him, like the scene at the dojo, or as his unarmed training partner, or deciding to tell stuff to Ironwood...
Amazing work dude, thouroughly enjoyed the analysis! I like that you didn't say one was more right than the other, that they were BOTH right and wrong, that arguments aren't as black and white as people want them to be. Your voice is also super pleasant to listen to, you've got yourself a new sub :D
You got my sub, this video was so good 😤
I need more lancaster stories and fanart for real
Wait, Sword of Grand-GRAND Father??
JOHN SWORD IS THE RELICE‼️
one thing that is for sure Jaune is going to blame himself hard for what happened at the end of the episode
I dropped RWBY after volume 6 because I couldn't handle the writing anymore. I was so focused on any character other than Jaune and Ruby that I'd just dropped it because I didn't care anymore.
Your video helped me realize that, despite the extensive cast and the jumping attention between characters, that I can still enjoy just one thing. I've loved Jaune and Ruby's relationship from the very beginning of the show, and it was remiss of me to forget that because a room of writers didn't take _everything_ in the story to their fullest potential, or didn't go down a route _I_ would have preferred.
There's plenty of media out there that I enjoy still, despite not agreeing with some of the messages or routes taken, because of a character, plot device, or relationship between characters.
I'll pick RWBY back up now. Thanks for focusing on the positives of the narrative, and for not making light of the recent, *_ahem_* , memes.
Huh one of the most consistent things CRWBY kept.
Good writing overall tbh
In the topic of Foils, I’ve long thought of Mercury as being Qrow’s; abusive background, bad boyish personalities, sister figures they’ve grown distant to, contrasting views of their semblance and emotional repression.
Also, I don’t feel Jaune being able to keep up with his far better trained teammates implies a lack of talent.
Ruby was probably projecting Penny on the Paper pleasers; trying to convince herself that Penny wasn’t real and she shouldn’t be grieving her.
It's interesting that he said Penny represents hope for Ruby. The racoon's price for Penny's sword was "Enough hope to fill this jar." The Price for Yang's arm was "Knowing what it is like to be loved." Which at the time Blake and Yang didn't know where to go with their relationship. It's an interesting connection that I just now made because of this video.
This volume bumped Jaune up to favourite character for me
LANCASTER BROS LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I can't tell if the writers are secret geniuses or if we are rewriting the crap parts for them
The thing about RWBY is when you describe what happens, it’s typically gives a better impression than watching it all unfold.
I relate to ruby so much.
In my friend group when someone is upset or there's conflict within the group everyone comes to me for comfort or advice. I'm always the mediator or voice of reason. Now I love my friends dearly, they're a second family to me. And because of this I ended up bottling up my own feelings because I believed their's were more important than my own and that by me opening up about my problems i'd be pushing the burden onto them and making their issues worse by them worrying about me.
And so It continued this way until yesterday really. There was an argument between friends who had a messy breakup weeks prior. I tried to fix the situation by appeasing both parties but nobody would listen and I became overwhelmed and snapped and lashed out and had a mental breakdown.
It's really odd, I haven't watched rwby since like volume 5 and hadn't even thought about it and then on the night of this happening to me I get recommended videos about RWBY's outburst in the last episode out of nowhere...weiiirddddd
Difference being, My situation was sort of my own doing rather than being thrust upon me.
I've only seen up to volume like, 3, maybe 4, what happened to Jaune? Where is best girl Nora?
This is the best take I've seen! I encountered someone online who was INSISTENT on someone being right and someone (Yang) being wrong. They went so far as to say that Yang is not only a bad sister but that I (who went through a lot of the same mental problems as Ruby by bottling my emotions and running from them) was a f**king baby for "not seeing the facts that were right in front of me."
You fully explained things the way they were while giving credit to the writers for being good at their jobs! Thank you!
Lancaster shippers who are still kicking:
👇
Ruby and Jaune kinda resemble my mental state. I have days where I don't feel like I'm good enough, so I bottle up my emotions so I can be good enough, but we all know how that turns out.
7:25
"Do you believe in Gravity?"
I thought I was the only one with the same theory. Thank you for this video it really supported what I believed in and really explains it more simple than mine
Right from V1, Jaune and Ruby's platonic relationship has been my favourite 2 person relationship in the series. I've loved the beats of V9 but not how the writers got there, but this video made me realise I might be too tunnel visioned in what I'm dissatisfied with. You've haven't me confidence, but also heartbreak because I don't see Jaune making it out of this and getting back to Remnant.
I really want him to see Nora and Ren one more time at least.
The more I watch this video, the more I’m being reminded of this phrase from a fan-made Lancaster song that sounds very accurate what they mean to one another.
That phrase being that Ruby is the light of Jaune’s fire while he is the rock that she relies on. This video solidifies that statement the more I listen to it, and I love it. Thank you for this.
By the Brothers. This wasn't just a great video of how close Ruby and Jaune truly are, it's also an amazing argument for why Lancaster NEEDS to be canon. Monty Oum himself would love this video being a Lancaster fan himself
Indeed!
This is why it hurts so much seeing how little they interacted in previous volumes before literally being shoved together at their breaking points in this volume.
Oh really, monty was a lancaster supporter?
@@supergenesisstation1991 apparently, according to his letter, he wanted them to be canon as early as the end of Vol 1
@@fernandogonzales9240 Dang, what was going on with Pyrrha then? I personally disliked that Arkos was a thing, felt it would have been better as just friends or light feelings that were never shared, never explored, never given a chance to blossom. A lost chance, a what-if. Definitely not a huge crush and a big kiss before a fiery end.
oh my. You almost made me cry. Holy hell.
Great analysis, thanks.
not gonna lie, You should run Roosterteeth cause you made the story multiple times more depth then they could ever make it with the nonsense love with Blake and Yang
I may be about 3 day, probably turning 4 days late, but I will say that Pyrrha’s definition of destiny is a more correct definition of it, where it is a the result of a path that you work for, or maybe it is one of many results from many different paths you can take, your destiny is always changing depending on the paths you take while the word that keeps being used interchangeably with it, “fate,” is not the same even though it seems similar. Destiny is a controllable result or outcome while fate is uncontrollable, out of one’s hand.let’s refer to mythology where the sisters of fate determined that Zeus would be surpassed by one of his children, and they did, he fears and actions run similar to his father Chronos, who knew of the fate that he would be surpassed by his children so Chronos ate his children in order to not be surpassed by any of them since none should be alive, but as fate itself determined, Chronos is surpassed by Zeus and Zeus is surpassed by his children as well. Your use of the word fate and destiny is good, Jaune didn’t believe in his fate of being a normal person, not being a hero, what he believed what those around him probably thought was his fate, was actually his destiny, so he can grasp it and change it through his own work… you covered this pretty well.
Maybe...just maybe...
Jaune could save ruby.....
And begin sailing the ship that some of the rwbyFANS are hoping for...
Lancaster fans have been coming out of the woodworks, lol.
Like, where tf have you all been?
Feels like the new bumblebee shippers, just less toxic.
I need more lancaster fanfiction and fanart
@@moistfist1054 lancaster...is that what those ppl are that keep shipping these 2?
Honestly I’m just happy team RWBY is getting shit for their mistakes.
Rwby x Jaune?
It sad, when he come to terms what he say to her. The group finally found Rudy it was too late and she gave up ascending before them. Telling them she was sorry she wasn't strong enough.
this is an excellent video !! you did such a good job analysing the foil dynamic between these two. I especially loved how you went into destiny as a theme and how RWBY explores it through two schools of thought, both of which question whether or not a person has free will (determinism shenanigans). it made me think more about penny as a character and what she meant to them both through the lens of this theme, and although I definitely think she represents hope I also think she represents innocence. both ruby and jaune have experienced a loss of innocence, except jaune’s came as a result of his own free will (he kills penny himself, or in this case “hope” and “innocence”) whereas ruby has it forcibly taken from her. she had no choice. and it’s interesting because looking at V9 and how ruby and jaune evolved, it’s clear they’ve become disillusioned by their own philosophies and have had some kind of role reversal as a result. after killing his own innocence, jaune (literally) grew old and fulfilled a destiny he didn’t even know he had (the rusted knight) and has taken on the burden of it. meanwhile ruby is starting to reject her preordained “destiny” of being a hero, to the point where she even wonders if she has to be “ruby rose” anymore. but ultimately, they both think too much in black and white terms, never seeing the nuance that exists between these philosophies and always placing the blame on themselves. it’s no wonder they blew up at each other
but anyway those are just my thoughts! thanks again for making the video, it was really well made
I mean this is the closest thing to a death for jaune without him actually dying. He was what, 15? 16? Hes been here for decades. hes already greying hes probably in his late 30's or 40's by now. his entire life was spent in the insanity of a make believe dream world. ALone with no friends no family and no real hope. Living with the guilt of his failure as time just marches on and getting no where. I do not see him getting back to remnant after this. Whats he gonna do? join his team again?? I doubt that hes gonna get narniad and his years would rewind when he leaves he still has to deal with decades of isolation and depression well beyond what he could handle. If anything this place is is home now its what he knows more than anything else. Ill be a little disappointed if we just manage to easily fix this problem and press undo on all of it. Jaunes been destroyed. Its like the episode of teen titans where all the other members are old and starfire finds them again. Theyre done, its over.