This was posted when I was a toddler, now am in high school playing jazz drums with my friends aspiring to rebirth Dilla as well as Chris Dave here has done.
swung grace notes, a demi-semi (32nd) late/early, metric modulations, open flams… you could try and rationalise them in any way you like but really you need to shut up and bob your head, it's exactly where he puts it.
Interesting that Dave comes in a little ahead of the beat for that Neo Soul swag thing he's doing, yet it still fits. He is really a beast, not just technically but his concept also.
@holygroove2 I'll have to check that out. The "swing over straight" thing is something that all the guys I mentioned do, quite well. That's why I mentioned their names (not for comparison). Chris does it well, also...maybe just not as exacting. Royster is the one I think is most daring, of the lot. Once he gets a lick in his head, he seems to literally "challenge himself" to pull it off "cleanly", on the kit.
@holygroove2 No. It's the groove he's doing at 1:31, 2:21 and 5:23. The hi-hat and kick are swung. The snare is straight. He's got the kick on the 1, and the snare on the 3, which is correct. It's suppose to sound like he's playing in "half-time". The part where the sax is playing is called "doubling up" (on the "half-time", of course). In all honesty, Chris Dave is doing both a little sloppy, here. Which is weird because he's always "locked" when playing with D'Angelo.
Not listening to it the right way? He's a technical drummer, regardless of how abstractly he presents his ideas. Technical drummers rarely if ever get "mis-interpreted" or "mis-analyzed" by other drummers :-)
@bourgeoisbrats I don't think there's a comparison to the drummers that you mentioned and Dave. If you want to hear him being more consistant with the beat (playing with a click track) and still having that laid back Neo Soul thing, check him out playing flashing lights. I do hear him hitting the bass drum on the one when they play the main melody. Main melody isn't played straight. I hear where you're comming from though.
I can't tell you how strongly I disagree with you. You don't think it's easy to misinterpret a drummer because he has technical ability? Haha have you read the comments section in this thread? He's a conceptual drummer heavily schooled in jazz with the ability to play very technically and very abstractly and all combinations of the two. I learned a long time ago (after gigging with tunes he's played on) to never assume that Chris Dave isn't doing what he means to do
Give the "Vinnie Colaiuta Half Time" YT video a listen, then you'll understand what I mean when I say technical (and abstract concept) drummers are rarely misinterpreted. It's all "in the moment" playing, just like this Chris Dave video is :-)
i dont think he meant sloppy in terms of "not being skilled" or "able to play properly", I think he was referring to the intentional funk and syncopation.
he's also reverse-engineering dub reggae and hip hop post production techniques into manual acoustic drumming techniques. THAT's what that hihat hitch or skip in the backbeat sections is meant to be: a loose, dubby, echo-y, sound effect. It's not meant to be quantifiable, it's meant to play with the negative space between the big beats...which is why it makes it sound SO slinky and greasy. it's concept first with Chris Dave, sometimes that means sounding abstract.
he absolutely has their precision. he's just not concerned with that kind of precision. but he's very precise within the concept he has in mind. no disrespect, i don't think you're listening to it the right way. he's not exactly trying to overlay swung and straight elements, he's trying to emulate that push and pull of beats you hear in hip hop when a sampled or programmed part is looped unevenly. there's some overlap in this phenomena with jazz drumming and he's straddling the line
@holygroove2 I can hear what he's trying to do...overlay something played in swing time, over something played straight. He doesn't quite have the precision of someone like Dennis Chambers (or Royster, Searight, Spears), so it doesn't quite work. The "doubling up" idea really doesn't work. Why? Because subdividing without having the kick in predictable places to anchor things, is too abstract. He's got chops, and a great creativity sense, though.
they are different gigs after all. and i can't agree with your interpretation of what he's doing or even intending to do except the 1 and 3 on the snare. you're using terms that are concrete concepts, but most of the things you're citing are conceptual, abstract. he's playing with time. if it sounds sloppy it's cuz he's playing with time. he's one of the foremost experts in the world at it.
apples and oranges for sure. clean is not what chris dave is concerned with at all. while they share similarities, royster is not a conceptual player at heart and chris dave is. exacting is a a good word for royster, but personally i don't find royster to be daring. i find him to be athletic.
This was posted when I was a toddler, now am in high school playing jazz drums with my friends aspiring to rebirth Dilla as well as Chris Dave here has done.
Am I destined to love every version of this song? I don't understand what is happening...
swung grace notes, a demi-semi (32nd) late/early, metric modulations, open flams… you could try and rationalise them in any way you like but really you need to shut up and bob your head, it's exactly where he puts it.
So Doooooooooooooope!!!! Chris Dave is a Monster on them skins
Loving the line of snares on the gorund...
Man This is Sweet!!!
God damn it! that's impressive.
I swear these are my favorite musicians...i act like I'm Tim Stewart at 23 years old
Put this on an album alreadyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Wow this is amazing! is there a album with this music/songs?
what... too sick!
Interesting that Dave comes in a little ahead of the beat for that Neo Soul swag thing he's doing, yet it still fits. He is really a beast, not just technically but his concept also.
still true
hahah chris drops the beat and everyone gasps, this is so nice. rip dilla
daddy dave! damn!!
@BRaNSHAVIA thats tim stewart on guitar. dude is NASTY!!!!!
that shit cray
@holygroove2 I'll have to check that out. The "swing over straight" thing is something that all the guys I mentioned do, quite well. That's why I mentioned their names (not for comparison). Chris does it well, also...maybe just not as exacting. Royster is the one I think is most daring, of the lot. Once he gets a lick in his head, he seems to literally "challenge himself" to pull it off "cleanly", on the kit.
What is chris doing with the hihat at 40 sec in the video? sounds so jumpy and good!
@holygroove2 No. It's the groove he's doing at 1:31, 2:21 and 5:23. The hi-hat and kick are swung. The snare is straight. He's got the kick on the 1, and the snare on the 3, which is correct. It's suppose to sound like he's playing in "half-time". The part where the sax is playing is called "doubling up" (on the "half-time", of course). In all honesty, Chris Dave is doing both a little sloppy, here. Which is weird because he's always "locked" when playing with D'Angelo.
@bourgeoisbrats - when you say swing over straight thing do you mean like at 37 secs, or the times when the sax player comes out?
Not listening to it the right way? He's a technical drummer, regardless of how abstractly he presents his ideas. Technical drummers rarely if ever get "mis-interpreted" or "mis-analyzed" by other drummers :-)
I get it lol dw. Daddy Dave grew me up!
that drumming is just to fuckin ill gaddd
@bourgeoisbrats I don't think there's a comparison to the drummers that you mentioned and Dave. If you want to hear him being more consistant with the beat (playing with a click track) and still having that laid back Neo Soul thing, check him out playing flashing lights. I do hear him hitting the bass drum on the one when they play the main melody. Main melody isn't played straight. I hear where you're comming from though.
...the things you do...
Its SO heavy
J would be so fckin proud of this. R.I.P.
bad as in good right? cause try to keep that in the pocket while Chris Dave is blasting like that would be hell of a job....where is 1 again?
EVERYONE HAS TO CHECK CHRIS DAVES NEW MIXTAPE!! Check his TH-cam account its free!!!
The drummer is Chris Dave, not Steve Gadd
I can't tell you how strongly I disagree with you. You don't think it's easy to misinterpret a drummer because he has technical ability? Haha have you read the comments section in this thread? He's a conceptual drummer heavily schooled in jazz with the ability to play very technically and very abstractly and all combinations of the two. I learned a long time ago (after gigging with tunes he's played on) to never assume that Chris Dave isn't doing what he means to do
Give the "Vinnie Colaiuta Half Time" YT video a listen, then you'll understand what I mean when I say technical (and abstract concept) drummers are rarely misinterpreted. It's all "in the moment" playing, just like this Chris Dave video is :-)
Drummer - Groove. That is all!
i dont think he meant sloppy in terms of "not being skilled" or "able to play properly", I think he was referring to the intentional funk and syncopation.
he's also reverse-engineering dub reggae and hip hop post production techniques into manual acoustic drumming techniques. THAT's what that hihat hitch or skip in the backbeat sections is meant to be: a loose, dubby, echo-y, sound effect. It's not meant to be quantifiable, it's meant to play with the negative space between the big beats...which is why it makes it sound SO slinky and greasy. it's concept first with Chris Dave, sometimes that means sounding abstract.
he absolutely has their precision. he's just not concerned with that kind of precision. but he's very precise within the concept he has in mind. no disrespect, i don't think you're listening to it the right way. he's not exactly trying to overlay swung and straight elements, he's trying to emulate that push and pull of beats you hear in hip hop when a sampled or programmed part is looped unevenly. there's some overlap in this phenomena with jazz drumming and he's straddling the line
@dwartyclone no one ever said you couldn't. :)
If these guys bar J Dilla didnt pathe the way for flying lotus i dont know what did..
i know that that bassist is pino palladino just for the shape hajha
Chris Dave uses a Wrench to tune his snare
NECK BREAKER COMMENCES AT 0:38
@holygroove2 I can hear what he's trying to do...overlay something played in swing time, over something played straight. He doesn't quite have the precision of someone like Dennis Chambers (or Royster, Searight, Spears), so it doesn't quite work. The "doubling up" idea really doesn't work. Why? Because subdividing without having the kick in predictable places to anchor things, is too abstract. He's got chops, and a great creativity sense, though.
they are different gigs after all. and i can't agree with your interpretation of what he's doing or even intending to do except the 1 and 3 on the snare. you're using terms that are concrete concepts, but most of the things you're citing are conceptual, abstract. he's playing with time. if it sounds sloppy it's cuz he's playing with time. he's one of the foremost experts in the world at it.
apples and oranges for sure. clean is not what chris dave is concerned with at all. while they share similarities, royster is not a conceptual player at heart and chris dave is. exacting is a a good word for royster, but personally i don't find royster to be daring. i find him to be athletic.
That's a punny way to spell god.
(If you don't get what I was trying to do at this point, I give up)
lol i meant like god, like gaadd.....
some of it sucks