I have an idea. What if Morgott and Mogh were but into the sewers after Godfrey was banished. It would be super out of character for someone like Godfrey to let his children be inprisoned in the sewers especially when he was probably the most sympathetic to the Omen and their situation. After he was banished there was literally no one left to protect Morgott and Mogh especially when Marika isn't exactly the best parent. There really aren't any timeline problems for this idea and it makes sence with Godreys characterization
@@briggs4884 Not really sounds like an average thursday for Marika. And remember the lore was writen by George Martin aka the creator and writer of the game of thrones books
The pre fight speechifying in Elden Ring is top tier. My favorites are the Morgott line and Ranni’s “Send word far and wide of the last Queen of Caria, Rennala of the Full Moon, and the majesty of the night she conjureth.” Absolute hype
Ironic that the only demigod who stayed loyal to the Erdtree/Golden Order was the one who had no claim to the throne owing to his status as an Omen. And of course, the fact he is known as the Grace-Given, plus the fact that his Great Rune is proof of his link to Godfrey also shows that ultimately the Erdtree was impressed with Morgott's loyalty and his dedication to the cause. But Radagon still kept the entrance into the tree sealed to all. Hence why Morgott refers to himself as 'last of all kings'. Despite all he's done, he knows he can't take the Elden Ring and the Lands Between will remain in its current state. Imagine how he feels: shunned and cast out yet he still remained loyal to the same order that hated his very existence, and it's ultimately all for nought. Plus the final barrier he puts in our path is a phantom of his father: he's lonely, too.
More than that: even as the veiled Monarch, Morgott could never have children to continue his lineage. As an omen, they'd be rejected the same way he was, and he couldn't have a royal consort as he is. No next king after him. He'll be the last :)
@@TheGuyInATie1 wouldn’t it technically pass to Mohg after that? And then probably to Godrick being the next closest descendant. That’s if I’ve got my understanding of succession law right
@@SorowFame Mohg has the same problem (and is also more of a freak for the formless mother stuff) and Godrick is widely hated so the succession would probably collapse
In fairness, the immeno tree of the erd (that is, the Crucible) essentially gave birth to it as it is. Morgott does not defend the Golden Order itself (the Golden Order was created by Marika and has nothing to do with the erd tree, rather it is simply used as a religious symbol). But the erd tree is perceived by many as a symbol of life itself. That's what he's protecting. In fact, if the tree burns down, then nothing terrible will happen.
@@nicklagoni7306 Technically, the throne could also fall to Nephelli if she lives. Though that runs into the same issue as Godrick with tarnished being widely hated. Other than that it falls down to a civil war between the nobility for the throne, or more likely given the weakness of nobility in this game, the military would install a leader. None of it's important however because we claim the throne through force.
Honestly this video covers my favorite standout detail of the golden order that being, it seems more like radagons personal idea, marika wanted to remove destined death as part of her plan to give the power of the elden ring and the erd tree to mortals, the greater will just wanted to conquer and dominate the deities and lands afar (ima get back to this juicy thought), but where’d the golden order come from? It seems like it was “marikas” or “the greater wills” idea, but one thing I’ve thought about is, how “good” was radagon really……look.at.his.actions. He seems, in the shadows, secret, manipulative, This man is the inversion of marika, he CANNOT be a good person, my thought is of course, he adhered the idea of the golden order to marika and the greater will, it seems like an something neither would come up with, and yet it directly benefits both. Now that I’m done gushing over this video and tearing into radagons sus behavior, back to that greater will thought nugget eh?--
-the grace may have only touched those in the lands between but, hoarah louxs conquest is the origins of the outer continents and their savagery, this makes the tarnished common knowledge, which is why everyone calls us graceless when in truth we are the only grace blessed tarnished. But this also puts in perspective how long of a time had past for our potential latest lineage in character selection being from reeds, and yet we are long dead until called back home by a tree that can barely reach us, and so how was it in its true prime?
I like the way Morgott's summoning of the Godfrey spectre mirrors Ranni's summoning of the Rennala spectre. Something very poignant about these messed-up, demi-god children summoning illusions of their parents in their prime.
I tend to take a different take, that Godfrey placed less stock in the forms of the Omens, and put more stock into what they could do. They were, to him, very useful as soldiers and warriors, because they were could be very capable fighters. Keep in mind, Godfrey is also Horah Loux, a warrior with few peers. That doesn't mean that he doesn't love, and it is clear that he loved Marika and his children. At the same time, to him, martial prowess is key, and Morgott definitely lived up to that ideal. That Godfrey/Horah Loux accepts his defeat by you, shows that you've proved yourself to him. Godfrey valued strengh of arms.
i got an inkling that Marika was the one who made the decision to banish Mohg and Morgott... can't confirm, but yea, Godfrey doesn't seem like the kind of person who would do it.
When I first heard Margit mention the "flame of ambition", I thought it was just a cheeky reference to Dark Souls. But after discovering the story of Morgott and Mohg, I came to a much more shocking revelation: Mohg stood before the Formless Mother when trapped in the Shunning Grounds, and his accursed blood erupted with flame. That was probably the moment where he accepted his accursed condition, and decided he would make it his strength. It was probably the moment where he first conceived or received a vision of the Mohgwyn dynasty, his dynasty, destined to rise from the sewers to eventually overthrow the Golder Order itself. What if Morgott was present? What if the offer was extended to him as well? Then, the "flame of ambition" isn't just a metaphor for the destructive and all-consuming actions of the selfish Shardbearers. Whenever Morgott says these words, he's probably thinking back of the moment when his brother's destructive ambition took literal form through an eruption of flame.
A fun little detail about grace leading to and rewarding conflict is that in the colosseum after a fight has concluded the victor literally has grace appear over their head.
Godfrey’s Clone also has a full axe, unlike when we fight him. So this shows Morgot saw him fight in the past with his full axe. Even in the pictures on the wall Godfrey doesn’t have a full axe. 10:16 (picture on the wall)
@@thomasdwalker9696 could be that since he is an illusion, he doesn’t have access to the formless mother, and thus can’t use the higher end blood magic incantations. I’m not so sure though, since he can use the other ones just fine. Perhaps it is because he made the illusion while still in the sewers of Leyndell, and thus didn’t know the spells that he presumably learned later while overseeing Moghwynn Palace. If the illusions is a trap (kinda like the trap that Ranni put on the amber egg) preset by Mogh, then this is probably the answer.
This is a fabulous assessment of Morgott and his life! However, I think you may have overlooked something tremendously important: The Tarnished once operated out of the Fortified Manor in Leyndell. This, in turn, means that the Shattering was long since underway and Tarnished were being called back in light of the demi-gods' struggles. As such, Morgott himself would have once accepted these Tarnished as heroes and hoped they could make good on the words imparted on their return, to seek the Elden Ring and become Elden Lord. Morgott would have trusted that someone could save the world, that the Greater Will or the Two Fingers had a plan. Leyndell supported and encouraged Vyke, Bernahl, and others to fufill their apparent divine calling and become the exemplars the demi-gods claimed to be but fell far short of. Imagine, then, the horror when Vyke abandoned his duty and was fooled by the Frenzied Flame, resulting in the loss of an entire village in Liurnia. Imagine the astonishment when Vyke seemingly murdered his own Finger Maiden, the person he supposedly sought to help, and had to be imprisoned in an evergaol. What's more, Bernahl and his maiden finally reached their mysterious goal, only for it to be the heretical Forge of the Fell God, and Bernahl's maiden killed herself as a sacrifice to this horrid flame. These Finger Maidens, supposedly carrying a divine purpose, in fact sought their own gruesome deaths to fuel a cruel, pagan being, whose Fire Giant followers were said to have been cursed to even worship it. The Tarnished's guidance caused ashes to fall on large swathes of Leyndell, such as the quarter leading to the Forbidden Lands. Innocents were potentially slaughtered. This "divine" mission only set the Erdtree on fire, further devastating the health of the world in general, not to mention risking that the Deathblight could gain a greater foothold... and for what? The path to the Elden Ring still wouldn't open. If that weren't wretched enough, Bernahl refused to fight further, or perhaps couldn't defeat a formidable foe and thus sought the Blasphemous Claw of Volcano Manor by any means necessary. What's more, this fearsome force was Maliketh, an honored, loyal ally of the Golden Order. Despite who Maliketh was, despite being their ally, the mission of these Tarnished sought to kill him. Furthermore, the Rune of Death might drastically worsen the state of the world and risk eternal Deathblight torment. This, I believe, is the core of why Morgott hates the Tarnished. The Grace-given lord once embraced and trusted these people, believing in an overarching wisdom of the Greater Will or a path for redemption. However, upon seeing the failures and horrific deeds of Vyke and Bernahl, of the Finger Maidens, and of the Tarnished mission as a whole, Morgott may have believed that the very call for the Tarnished, the restoration or new gifting of Grace, was an error in the universe itself. The return of the banished, the acceptance of the automatically forsaken -- these were all just symptoms of the world's illness and potential death. Morgott, Mohg, and any omen with newfound golden eyes were coincidental recipients of the latest bad sign to date. The Greater Will was seeming MIA after all. Morgott may have also learned from the Two Fingers that Marika was punished for her deeds, so no salvation from her would happen either. What's more, the Two Fingers might have decided that the Shattering and its violence really were the only viable path, and thus rejected even Morgott's efforts to save civilization, to maintain peace, and to have the Lands Between live up to the very notions of benevolence and wisdom that the Grace, moon, and so on were supposed to hold dear. That could be how the Tarnished were ultimately kicked out of the Fortified Manor and no longer treated with renown. Even then, with the Tarnished a potential dead end and the Grace given to omens by mistake, Morgott seems to have sought some way to still help the world. When the player first reaches the Elden Throne, Morgott is busy with something next to the wall of thorns. Even all these years later, Morgott is apparently checking the seal and trying to force or convince the Erdtree to open. Morgott's dying words confirm that he has tried to approach the core of the Erdtree and mend the Elden Ring, only for the deeds to be met with failure. It's doubtful that we encounter Morgott on his first ever attempt of this. Even as he thinks the world is likely doomed and filled with false hopes, even as his own sister, Melina, tries to kill him for a cause she doesn't know, Morgott still strives to create a world where life prospers. The Flame of the Fell God isn't trustworthy, the Rune of Death even less so, but the last of all kings nonetheless works so his title ceases being true. I could go on further, as I feel omens are genuinely cursed by the Formless Mother and thus victims of multiple tragedies, but I'll stop here. Despite a hellish life, Morgott is one of the few good people encountered in the Lands Between, and it's tragic that he has to be slain. At the very least, he gets to join the Erdtree as Grace in the end, and guide his father's path to show that he knows Godfrey has returned.
I personally think that both Mohg and Morgott met the Formless Mother in the sewers, even if she has a preference for omen blood in general, the other omens don't have such powers so I think that they both made contact with her and that's why they have access to the bloodflame. Mohg embraced her powers and his blood erupted with fire, while Morgott rejected them and sealed his accursed blood in his sword as the description says
Morgott's sword is a wounding instrument literally made of blood as well, so the formless mother would probably be invoked by it pretty strongly I imagine.
During the early wars of the erdtree, Godfrey and Marika gave birth to Morgott and Mogh. They were born in the early years of the erdtree that still had crucible influence and did not see the omens as non-human. The perfumers tried to treat the omens and learn more about the symptoms they have like the nightmares. Those same perfumers began to create bonds and better understand their patients. The twins being seen as humans that have a curable disease were allowed to live in the capital and at the center of the Golden Order while having stronger bonds with Godfrey who is sympathetic with the crucible. At the end of the wars, Godfrey loses its grace and with his companions, found himself exiled from the lands between. Seeing no improvement in the treatement of the omens, Marika or Radagon without Godfrey accord (since he's gone) imprison the twins to the sewer and start the persecution of the omens. Edit: Wrote this comment during lunch with many errors. It should be readable now.
Morgott's battle to deny his blood, his breakdown mid-fight and falling back on his raw bloodline abilities really reminds me of the Lady Maria fight in Bloodborne.
I don't think he's necessarily empowered by the formless mother, but in his desperation to defeat you, draws upon the power in his blood, using the same power of flaming blood of Mohg and blackened flames that sewer omen call upon
I notice that the difference in Red Hue between Morgott and Mohg's accursed blood in pretty severe, which makes me wonder if Morgott's blood lacks the fire and crimson hues because his accursed blood is imbued with his faith in and draws power from the Golden Order, whereas Mohg takes his power from The Formless Mother and the Burning Blood she brought forth in him.
@@WolfHreda could that be why he hides it in a wooden Cane because it is his corrupted blood and only uses it because We made it to the erd tree itself so it his last attempt to stop us
You probably get this a lot, but I really appreciate these videos, especially with how deep you dive into each topic. Miyazaki creates wonderful stories many people skip over, so it's really nice for them to get the attention they deserve.
"Grace-given" strikes me as a nickname given to him by his subjects in awe of his acomplishments defending the city in such bad times. The world's gone to hell but the walls hold; grace has given them a good king.
Radagon is the true antagonist of elden ring. For quite some time i saw the greater will as the driving force behind the evil of the game's world, but it is more of a neutral force, whom desires the world to be in order. The form of the order does not matter to it. The shattering brought the world to chaos, but such chaos is just a part of the world's cycles. Radagon's order banished and persecuted the omens and the misbegotten. Radagon had driven rennala to madness when he left her, leaving liurnia in dissaray due to ensuing conflicts. All of his children had turned away from him, some seeking to overthrow his rule, even. The only one who didn't, was radahn, who idealised godfrey and thought he carried on his legacy, while completely misunderstanding what the elden lord stood for and in result, carried out his father's will unquestioningly. Radagon sealed the erdtree to keep together a crumbling order and halting the world's natural cycles. It is very fitting that he ends up being the final (or kind of final) boss.
Yeah I feel like Radagon is the true Final Boss, in every sense of the word. Ol Beast...it just exists. Radagon is the last sentient being that truly opposes us, who wants to see us dead and buried. The Beast is more like...the final trial. It's not an antagonist or a villain, more a force of nature. It exists, you exist...Neither really want to fight each other, but both know it has to be this way.
I still feel a little bad for him, he hated himself partially like Morgott too for his red hair and if it's unknown if he did leave Rennala willingly. I think another reason for why he could have sealed off the erdtree was just out of spite for Marika for destroying the elden ring rather than out of a sense of self-preservation for his order, since he had to have known it was over for the both of them at that point.
I've always seen it as the Golden Order being the villain of the story, and since Radagon is meant to be a sort of personification of the Golden Order he got dumped into that roll. Based off of Radahn and Rykard's pride for being his son (as seen in their respective knight's helmets) it would seem as though he wasn't a bad father, and definitely inspired a sort of passion for family in Rykard. I think he largely sealed the Erdtree so Marika wouldn't be able to escape the divine punishment, as he still seems to be largely subserviently to the Greater Will's vassal beast, the Elden Ring, literally becoming it's blade. Also note that both his and Marika's scar/soreseals imply that they weren't exactly happy with their roles, which is why I think he's similar to Gwyn and Gehrman. He didn't intend for things to turn out this way and tried to do right, but in the end he's just another of the pathetic old men bosses.
I feel that Radagon is partially a victim of Marika's own deeds. He was created specifically by her and apparently put into society without a background or figurative life of his own. He was sent to fight against Liurnia and only carved out an identity for himself in combat, but faced the potential existential humiliation of a double stalemate. The Liurnian wars also seemed to notably lack Godfrey and the Crucible Knights, with no indication that the Tarnished existed and were banished at the time, so the Liurnian conflicts themselves might have been excuses for a "test run" of Radagon. Upon this potential double failure at his very life, Radagon was possibly married off to Rennala by Marika, as opposed to actually loving Rennala and/or being loved. I say this because the Celestial Dew he was noted as using might have a severely nefarious foundation -- judging from the Starlight Shards potions, the stars' "fates" might actually just be the stars infringing upon, and even erasing, free will. Furthermore, if the player makes an NPC hostile and proceeds to murder them, the "atonement" statue will instead say that the player has no reason to atone. With this in mind, Radagon's "atonement" with Celestial Dew might not have been a cosmic way to repent and make amends, but instead to brainwash Rennala and Liurnia. Since Marika is a Numen, who have ties to the Nox and Nokron, she could have been readily aware of these practices and what the stars could do, thus having a back-up plan to gain influence in Liurnia while experimenting with splitting her soul apart. Radagon would therefore be created as a test subject and weapon, alone in the world and defined by two wars he couldn't win. Radagon would then be used again as a weapon, forced to live among the very people he was created to fight. Radagon's silencing of the preceptors seems very domineering and insecure, and with what he ultimately did to Rennala, Radagon might have been emotionally abusive over time. In this scenario, Radagon would be bitter in a life he never wanted, cursed with the red hair of a defeated people as a reminder of Marika's other (and successful) war campaigns, in addition to this hair color perhaps marking him as inferior and able to be crushed just like the Fire Giants. Furthermore, Radagon wouldn't have a path to, as Golden Order Fundamentalism puts it, "regress" back to being the complete Marika. In that regard, Radagon would be eternally reminded that he was robbed of his normal existence and made a total stranger in the world, used as a tool that couldn't accomplish what he was even created for and then stuck with people he never actually liked and who never genuinely liked him. Radagon would probably be stuck if not for Marika's sudden decision to select him as the next Elden Lord, baffling the Lands Between. In turn, Radagon might jump at the opportunity to become closer to his initial home, Leyndell, be acknowledged as something much closer to his original self, and even be near his core self again. At some point, Marika even seemed to assimilate Radagon back into herself, thus why they shared the same body around the time Marika shattered the Elden Ring. All along, Radagon never seemed included in Marika's plans to send the Tarnished away and bring them back, to create a weapon to slay a god, to shatter the Elden Ring, and to encourage the subsequent Shattering war. In the end, Radagon was left in the dark, desperate to become the original, complete Marika again, and bitterly seeking anything that could get him closer to that goal. In the course of this, he failed to recognize that at least some people may have genuinely liked and respected him, if only his own children. However, if Radagon's entire existence as Liurnia's king, and the relationship that caused that, was built on a nefarious act by Nokron's sorceries, then Radagon was burdened with knowing his life and any love toward him were a lie. This might not be the case, but with the ambiguity surrounding Radagon, it may very well be the case. Though he increasingly chose cruel and malicious actions, Radagon himself would literally be nothing without Marika, and he may well be victimized in turn. Even the gift of the Amber Egg and Great Rune of the Unborn to Rennala might be literally impossible for Radagon to accomplish without Marika actively arranging for such a thing, thereby making that too part of her plans.
The elden beqst was sealed the erdtree from people to get in, when we fight radagon he is just a corpse and not alive, the true antagonist is the elden beast that is the living form of the elden ring
What good fortune! And about my favorite character, no less! I'd taken a break from Elden Ring and just today I've returned. It'll be a pleasure to listen as I make my way through The Lands Between once more.
I love the idea that in the sewers, if that really is Mohg consciously and intentionally preventing you from reaching the Frenzied Flame, that means even HE doesn't want anyone to have access to the Frenzied Flame (probably cuz that would mean his dynasty wont exist).
I personally believe that Formless Mother revealed herself before both Mogh and Morgott deep in Shunning Grounds when they were younger. Mogh embraved this revelation, Morgott rejected it but the seed was planted into both. Also I think the title 'Veiled Monarch' references Mimic's Veil which would have allowed him to appear normal to people of Leyndell but made him unable to fight openly, hence why Margit persona is made into his battle self. If you alliance theory is correct, Godrick was once among the people of this alliance; "When Godrick was hounded from Leyndell, the Royal Capital, this was one of a multitude of treasures he took with him." , thus denying Morgott the capability to appear in public in any way except Margit.
It would make sense for Morgot to have spent *some* time above ground while Marika and Godfrey were figuring out what to do with the twins. But the description "he has never known love" tells us that, even if he was, it would've been under poor conditions. Godfrey was of the time of the Crucible, and would've accepted the twins no problem because it would've been normal for omens to be born. However, it's the Golden Order, the construct once beloved by Marika and crafted by her, that made it an issue. I believe it's Marika who rejected them, and decided what to do with them, whose choice Godfrey was powerless to change because it did not encompass just the children but her rule overall. The Tarnished Archeologist's latest video on the omens has put things in perspective. The twins being born would be quite the shock to her, especially if they came after the perfect Godwyn. They symbolised all that she had worked to change: a reminder of all those other possible scions (other gods) that could've been nurtured into the tree (ruling over the lands between as the main deity) if she hadn't been the Erdtree's champion, and also a reminder that her rule is not perfect, it's finite, and it's the beginning of the end. Then it would make sense that it's Marika who first rejected the twins, and that she was the one who began the practice. Influence in any monarchy comes from the top. She could not both have children and uphold the Golden Order ideals. Furthermore, "purging" the omens would remove those nasty reminders about her reign from sight. The first love a person knows is the mother's after all. If Morgot knows none at all, it means Marika rejected him first.
Stopped playing elden ring as I'm new to fromsoft games and not very good. Saw some lore videos and started watching them especially yours and fell in love with the lore of this game and started playing again and now love elden ring. Thank you for single handedly sparking my interest in elden ring again!
I wish Morgott's Golden Magic was available as incantations. Being able to summon Giant-Crusher or the Carian Sword as Golden Constructs would be so cool. The Golden Spear, the Rain of Swords. All so very cool. Morgott was a warrior and a caster in a league of his own.
Morgott deserved so much better. He wasn't after power or ambition, only wanting to defend the only home he knew from madness and death. He was a king through and should have gotten the Elden Ring. Morgott was the only demigod to actually know struggle and come out the better person for it. He would have brought the lands between together eventually without it being a pipedream.
The effort of you and tarnished archeologyst put in this works is something above the amazing. Glad that you also discovered sabaku,is a master in terms of lore knowledge. Keep it up man!
I finished Elden Ring last week. I got it for Christmas. It was entertaining and your lore videos have made understanding the nuances of the story significantly easier. Thank you for that.
He truly was Lord of Leyndell. Rest in peace king, your duty is done. Thank you for this insightful video. You always manage to find more information than I expect. You did the Omen King justice. Praise be to Morgott, the Grace-Given, Last of all Kings!!!
Morgott (or rather Margit) is the first great boss fight in the game. the tree sentinel is really hard, but Margit is where the game seriously asks you to step up and git gud. ...its like the game is aware of this, hence why it would provide the player a tool to stun Margit so as to say "oh ok, baby couldn't beat margit, here cheese the fight and move on" and then pats the player on the head. i make it a point not to buy the item and beat Margit legitimately every time, even if he kicks my ass a couple of times because otherwise i feel ashamed that i had to essentially admit defeat and resort to the noob tool.
The “uneasy alliance” bit actually makes a lot of sense, because I always wondered why Godrick would have a throne rather than Godwyn (besides being a major player in your character’s time). Taking this into account, it’s kind of curious how Ranni spun her tale of being killed and placed in a puppet body since she had to have been in Doll form by the time this alliance came around after the shattering
That would actually explain why her throne is smaller than even Miquella's. It was built for her tiny doll form (the height of which she's subtly hinted to be insecure about) instead of her taller original body!
around 48:30 you FINALLY answered something I have never understood. Why did Marika tell Gideon that "none shall take the throne?" when clearly thats what she wants. The dichotomy of Radagon and Marika is just something I never thought of!
that's Radagon. Gideon's "revelation" about Marika's intent is him being tricked by Radagon. when he says "marika has high hopes for us, that we continue to struggle, onto eternity" that is clearly Radagon's last ditch attempt at stopping us from reaching his chamber. in the end its a bit ironic that the "all knowing" ultimately did not know, and thus ended up being tricked as a result. he goes to his grave believing he carried out Marika's will. Marika has, from the start of the game, intended to have the tarnished kill her. it is our entire purpose. she really goes above and beyond what can be considered "jumping through hoops" to do something as 'simple' as committing suicide. Hewg is tasked with the impossible task of crafting a weapon that can slay her as well. its basically an open secret that she did what she did so that she could end her existence. Godfrey and the tarnished being banished from the lands between was a literal insurance policy on her part. she knew that shattering the elden ring would cause the greater will to flip out and imprison her (for all we know, until the end of time). when we, the tarnished, arrive in Limgrave things have clearly been in a state of catastrophe for a long time.
Morgott's intro cutscene was changed post launch to remove the flames spewing from his sword, which makes sense if they are part of his blood and he was still in full control
One thing I just noticed is the tones in Morgotts voice in reference to the different demigods. When he says “the twin prodiges” and to a degree “general radahn” I can almost hear a sort of fondness in his voice, but when he says “praetor rykard” there is a much harsher tone in his voice. It certainly would be in character, we know general radahn was with the golden order at some point.
I’ve always been suspicious of the wording that the alliance “rots” from within. That definitely seems like a reference to Malenia. I wonder if that demigod council’s breakdown is written in a developer’s lore bible somewhere, because that’s a drama I would love to have details on.
I could imagine some conflict between miquella and Morgott as miquellas unalloyed gold seems pretty anti erdtree, or atleast I can see that’s how Morgott may have seen things. Godrick probably caused a lot of trouble most likely because I imagine he despised omens, Rykard held ambitions against the erdtree, heck like pretty much everyone except for Radahn had some sort of anti greater will plot going on. no wonder the alliance rotted.
Yes, maybe Malenia's rot, which caused Miquella to develop the needle, caused the alliance itself to rot as they all started abandoning the greater will?
This is very interesting Morgott is one of the most and intriguing characters in terms of lore and his character always wondered what the Formless Mother had to do with our fight with Morgott so its very interesting to reach an explanation for how the outer god is connected to omens,Incredible Morgott Video Smough have a great day
the addition of viscount shanehaight and his quest would've added so much to the worldbuilding and story and made morgott's character so much more interesting. its really quite baffling that they cut him.
I'd say one detail about Morgot is that he always talks about the "flame of ambition" and regards it as a danger. I think that is because he saw Mogh embrace the powers in his blood and the beginning of his ambition to become a lord and establish a dynasty. Given Morgot's conditioning this would only be natural.
Late to the party but based on the trailers and the way the thrones are set in front of the Erdtree (not super strong evidence i know) i think the "sovereign alliance" was composed of Godfrey descendants with their main enemies being Radahn and Rykard. Without Godwin there's no clear successor (and that explains why he was the target of the NOTBK) so from the point of view of an inhabitant of the world a succession crisis is unavoidable. Btw i'll base this on the views of someone from the Lands Between as much as i can: -The sovereign alliance is based on the right of blood: Morgott is not only the next in line, but he and his brother are the last direct descendants of Marika (consider that most people don't know Marika is Radagon) with Godrick in a distant third place. Rykard and Radahn, in their view, have in fact no claim whatsoever to lordship since they are adopted. -The "moon alliance" is probably based on the principle that Omens can't inherit because of their curse and Godrick being an unimportant distant cousin, so in their view there's actually no blood successor to the throne anymore. Also we know that Rykard and Radahn were top officials on the regime so they most probably had way more political and institutional support. -Of course we have the Empireans but we don't know if they can become Elder Lords law-wise (we the players know they indeed can) and either way we know 100% that one doesn't want to, the other is cursed and the last one's intentions regarding all that are a mistery
another excellent breakdown, the part about morgott hating himself for being an omen, but still considering himself "the grace-given king" and seeing himself as rightful ruler is a subtlety i haven't seen others catch
I was flip flopping on the reasoning as to why the Omen would be maligned so and then it dawned upon me: Morgott and Mohg are Godfrey's children and in a conventional sense, they're the next in line to the throne. Once Radagon marries Marika, he would need to secure his own power base and put his own children in a higher station. He creates the narrative that makes the Crucible and the Omen seem unfit for the new order he wishes to impose upon the Lands Between, has the twins removed, and makes himself look better for it. I'm not sure if that sequence of events lines up perfectly with the timeline, but it could explain a few things. I feel there's not a clear enough reason to outright hate the Omen aside from their vile appearance and connection with the Crucible, so either someone of both power and influence had begun the campaign to oust the Omen, or perhaps the Omen did represent a legitimate danger to the Lands Between that has yet to be uncovered.
Another banger of a video! You've most definitely done him justice. I would like to propose a future subject, but it is likely the most mysterious subject in all of elden ring as far as I can tell. What was the civilization behind the creation of the divine towers, the golems and the massive widespread of crumbling ruins around all the lands between. I say this because far as i can tell there are no lore mentions at all about this obviously great and powerful empire. Of wich the ruins of massive city's or settlements can be found in nearly every area of Elden ring. Namely: -Right behind the first step when you start the game -Caelid (in the waling dunes) -The enormous bridges in the mountaintops of the giants -The giant dam in Liurnia -Inside Highroad cave where you fight the guardian golem in Limgrave I just think it is an interesting topic of conversation. Thank you for the great effort you put in, i enjoy every second of it!
Thanks so much my friend - I am so glad you liked it. Yeah that is a great topic to get into and I have only mentioned it at a surface level! Will add it to my list!
My two guesses are either the ancient dragon empire when Placidusaxx and his God ruled the land or even the numen civilization before they got banished underground, Marika was probably a part of it before becoming a God.
Genuinely love your take of the formless mother at the end. As someone who’s deep dived the blood/sin lore of the game since launch. I do think there’s strong connections of omen and the fell god, and the Bloodstar/formless mother. Hence similar connections between fire monks and thorn mages. Furthering the connection of the fell and blood. Also note how it’s not just the demi god fell twins who do this. Even the Omen boss fight before the divine tower, the axe omen also uses bloodflame on his weapon. Which makes me think the Bloodflame is something inherit too all born of the fell omen curse, and the formless mother only enhances and reviles in the curse. Much how she makes Mogh turn to find strength in his curse or mire, which mire can also mean a sort of self imposed negativity, aka sin.
@@SmoughTown I don’t blame you for taking your time on it. Once you go down the rabbit hole that is sin/FM/Bloodstar you can start seeing it’s symbolism almost everywhere and that can kinda start feeling insane and forcing things to piece together.
There’s 1 thing I find very interesting. Morgott doesn’t use any hammer projection, he specifically uses the Giant Crusher. The Giant Crusher description implies this weapon is forgotten nowadays, and was used in the war against the Giants. I think this helps in the theory that Morgott was around for some time before being banished to the sewers, as he’d have no way to know what a Giant Crusher was, let alone use one.
We do see in the game that Omen were used militarily, ones clearly standing guard at stormveil, the fell twins etc. Wouldnt be surprised if "Margit" was active in that time.
It's possible that Godfrey visited his children in their prison and brought tales of his military campaigns. Alternatively, Morgott may have looked into his family history upon breaking free, then idolized the parent he knew didn't make the call to forsake him. Morgott might also just select the weapons he incidentally likes the most, as the sword he summons is a Carian blade.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Godfrey enlisted his children’s help despite Marika’s reservations. He’s clearly the only one who care for them and I wouldn’t be surprised if they were only imprisoned after Godfrey was banished.
@@personman8734 The Regal Omen Bairn, made from Morgott's Remembrance, seems to depict Morgott as an infant, considering his iconic horned tail is featured by the bairn. As such, Morgott would have been imprisoned from birth.
Perhaps Omens, like thecCrucible Knights were an odd but accepted part of the growing empire. After the dragons fall to Godwyn and the giants fall to Godfrey we know that Godfrey was sent away ...perhaps at this point the ultra Conservative golden order started reigning strong and also shunned the Omens to be forgotten? Maybe Lleyndel used to be a nice multi ethnic metropolis until the golden order became too powerful
I love how much you add about Japanese myth as you go through this. I would love to see more about the Nordic myth that has also contributed to this world. Ragnarok has a large parallel to the fate of the Lands Between. Odin crucified and speared on the world tree feels so much like Marika crucified beneath the Erdtree. Thor being described as giant, red haired, wielding a hammer feels so much like Radagon, his red hair inherited from his giant lineage, wielding the hammer used to break the Elden Ring. Godwyn feels so much like Baldur, golden, beautiful, beloved. And assassinated by Loki, who fashions a special weapon to kill him-- the only thing that can kill Baldur. Loki feels like Ranni, architecting Ragnarok with this death. Loki father's Hel, lord of the Underworld just as Ranni's murder of Godwyn produces the Prince of Death form of Godwyn. Loki fathers Fenrir, who is raised alongside the Norse Gods, but destined to betray them, as Blaidd must betray Ranni. Loki fathers the World Eating Serpent, Ranni is sibling to the God Devouring Serpent. Surtur's fire burning the world and leaving a new world behind in the forest feels like the fate of the Erdtree and the Lands between as the event precipitating world reincarnation. Even Melania as Valkyrie fits into this mold. There's so many twins and siblings throughout that mythos-- would love to see that cosmology explored more in your videos, as it pertains to Elden Ring.
I think there's a good question to be asked about how much control over himself/themself Radagon has, given that during the phase transition the Elden Beast comes out of his body, and his body is a broken husk with the Elden Ring inside. Imo, it's more than likely that Radagon is, after their long imprisonment, just a puppet body for the Elden Beast which is the actual intelligence behind trying to stop us from supplanting the Golden Order, this would make it the decision of the Greater Will to seal the Erdtree.
I have some ideas about how and why the sovereign alliance broke down, and why certain specific demigods are shown fighting each other. We know Ranni and Rykard are actively conspiring against the Golden Order. I believe that the Starscourge Conflict must have occurred during the Alliance, which put Radahn at odds with Ranni, unbeknownst to him. Given his connections to Sellia, and Sellia's connections to the Nox, and the Nox's connections to the Black Knives, it's possible Ranni could have convinced Morgott, Miquella, and Malenia that Radahn was involved in the Night of the Black Knives. This would explain Margit attacking Radahn in the opening, as well as Malenia tracking Radahn all the way to Caelid for revenge. Meanwhile, Malenia being in Caelid leaves Miquella unprotected in the Haligtree, giving Mohg the perfect opportunity to kidnap him. By this point, Lleyndell's troops are constantly at war with Gelmir, Ranni has disappeared before her lies could be discovered, and Malenia is wounded and comatose on her way home to the Haligtree. Godrick ran like a little bitch.
Something I think that is of note is that Godrick has a line of cut dialogue where he is talking about the other demigods and refers to Morgott as "the fool Omen king" meaning that Godrick is somehow aware of the true nature of Morgott. I think this adds to your Sovereign Alliance theory.
I believe that Godrick and Godefroy weren't sons of Marika and Godfrey, but were descendants, sons or grandsons of Godwyn, Godrick's use of the the epitaph of Golden would imply a connection to the Golden Lineage's firstborn, and most beloved, member, prior to his murder and ascension to Prince of Death
Ranni… got a Great Rune, and was a member of this alliance… Rogier said she hasn’t been seen since the Shattering. Does that mean Ranni was just a ghost the whole time lol.
@@jeambeam3173 True, but why would Ranni, who goes around introducing herself under a different name in doll form, meet with the demigods as such if she is to keep a low profile in usurping the Order? Doesn’t make much sense.
I agree mohg and morgott would have lived above ground for a while, and it would also explain why mohg and morgott knew eachother. Had they been thrown down there at birth how would they know of their relation to eachother or their direct connections to the golden order. Further, this also supports the theory that mohg and morgott may have worked together to help black off the three fingers in the tunnels with their seals and projections, something that wouldn't be possible without ever knowing eachother
I know this is a Morgott video (which is amazing, btw!) but I just wanted to share a thought about Malenia not being able to resist the Scarlet Rot when she first bloomed. I think she chose to unleash it and here are the reasons I think this is the case: In the cutscene you show us of Malenia's prosthesis being broken by Radahn, I believe that she chose to bloom there. One of the reasons being because of what she does with her sword when she stabs Radahn with it. She stabs and snaps the Unalloyed Golden Needle that's in her breast. How do we know that's where the Needle is? Because when we do Millicent's quest and we hand her the Needle, her left arm hovers over the exact same spot Malenia stabs herself in the cutsccene I mentioned before the screen fades to black when she inserts the Needle. It is also important to note that her sword, the Hand of Malenia, is the only thing present that could have done it. Its description says that "through consecration it is resistant to rot." You would need a certain level of clearheadedness to make a conscious decision to stab the body of the Goddess of Rot with a weapon that can actually harm it the way it is intended. I think that the way she bleeds in that scene is indicative of a purposeful wound. Also, in one of Millicent's dialogues she mentioned that Malenia abandoned her sense of self in order to meet Radahn's measure: "There is something I must return to Malenia. The will that was once her own. The dignity, the sense of self, that allowed her to resist the call of the scarlet rot. The pride she abandoned, to meet Radahn's measure." In this dialogue, "dignity," "sense of self," and "pride" are likened to the Needle Millicent intends to return to Malenia. In order to "abandon" something you have to make a conscious decision to do so. All of this suggest to me that it was a conscious choice to snap the Needle and unleash the Scarlet Rot in order to try and win a battle she couldn't afford to lose. I do agree with the second bloom happening for the reasons you stated in the video.
Great points. To add to this, Morgott is clearly trying to resist his curse in Phase 2, but it literally erupts from him like vomit and then an agonizing explosion. Morgott isn't embracing these powers, they were there without his choice and force themselves to the forefront.
Perhaps Godfrey didn't want his children to be mistreated and opt'd to have them raised--perhaps secretly--within the Erdtree Sanctuary as a compromise. After all, it would be strange for Morgott to be known through the lands as son of Godfrey if they were hidden from birth. But this is under the assumption that Omen were viewed negatively by this point, which is most likely the case since Morgott's whole thing involves his appearance being unknown and that he uses his Margit persona to hide his true nature. I believe Morgott and Mohg were the final nail in the coffin for Godfrey's status as Elden Lord. His demeaner (without Serosh keeping him tame) was unkempt, and on top of this, it's unlikely that he was wholly loyal to the Greater Will since he was clearly more aligned with the Crucible. The Greater Will definitely saw him as the only obstacle preventing their ideologies from being realized, so they swayed Marika to be rid of him for a more suitable Elden Lord the moment his usefulness came to an end... and then immediately following that, Morgott and Mohg would be banished into the sewers.
My man Geoff posts another immaculate Elden Ring analysis. Morgott is such a great and morally grey char, one of my favourite bosses lorewise. Great job as always!
This made me learn even more about the omen but the most breaking i thought was when you talked about how shamed morgot is of himself and how omen blood are basically dead spirits. And the fact that morrgott made himself become feared like an oni along with having a secret legion of grim reapers being the knights calvary makes me appreciate this character so much, Thank You Foul Tarnished. APPRAISE THIS CHANNEL
Another banger vid that keeps throwing my list of favorite lore vids and expanding my love for the game. Elden Ring's story is so touching to me in it's human twist on mythic heroes. Not to say that the other souls games don't do that kind of storytelling. Just that to me, in its entirety, this game is the pinnacle of Fromsoft's artistry and I can't believe I'm saying that as big a Bloodborn fan as I am. Incredible to see how far the team has come and I'm blown away at how lovingly channels like SmoughTown will delve headfirst into it all to appreciate every minute ounce of detail and passion put into the game.
I do think it's interesting that the two demigods who seem to have suffered the most ended up being the ones to not only stalwartly reject but also ward others against the Frenzied Flame. I wonder how hard it was for them to resist the FF's call and not give into the despair of their situations.
No I actually think it makes a lot of sense. Their birthright as royalty is an important factor in their psychology. While they suffered, I don’t think that either of them would be prone to react in a way that aligns with the frenzy flame. At heart, both of them seek to reclaim their place as royalty. Morgott is the king of Leyndell, while Mogh is the king of Moghwynn. The utter destruction of the world is directly counter their goals, as they both seek domination. To me, the followers of the frenzy flame are more so people with nothing to gain or lose. They do not seek power; rather they seek finality. M&M, due to their goals, would not fall into this group. I think it was probably fairly easy for both of them to resist the Three Fingers, then.
I wish there was a Morgott covenant to hunt down Tarnished and hinder their journey to Elden Lord. It would have the great ludonarrative harmony of you stopping yourself from getting to the endgame, and embracing the status quo stagnation that Morgott is enforcing.
It's my personal belief that Mohg and Morgott were the eldest of Marika's children and were only discarded after the birth of Godwyn. They were probably kept around because they were the only children Marika and Godfrey had and were the main reason the omen were considered divine, even after the Crucible was no more.
Excellent. Morgott is definitely on of Fromsoft's best characters so it's nice to see him getting the attention he deserves. Now, about that video on grafting...
I hate the Golden Order but I still respect the hell out of Morgott. He steps up when no one else will. I just find it sad that's he's internalized the oppression and abuse he received to the degree he has. He has the stuff that other demigods lack. He's a great leader and if he weren't born an Omen, he would have been rightly respected and revered as much Godfrey and Godwyn. His father, at least acknowledges this fact.
@@TheBigR02 you try hitting someone who can roll with a pot. Besides, if you’re using the enemies you may be a smart invader but you’re also the most annoying type of invader so I don’t have much sympathy.
@@TheBigR02 I didn’t insult you, I could have called you a weak coward who needs to rely on bullshit to win. I didn’t because I don’t believe you are, using the enemies to help is a tactic like any other and invasions aren’t really renowned for honourable combat. Personally I believe that either the host or cooperator should step up to fight one on one but that doesn’t always happen so you take what you get, I just don’t really care if someone complains that the tactic wouldn’t work as well because I find it cheap. However if you use a tactic you don’t get to complain about there being a countermeasure. Not everyone is going to have it prepared and not everyone is going to land it. I wasn’t even aware of the Albinauric pot ghost-hits so it didn’t factor. If you wanted to you could try and bait out the pot throw until the host runs out or something like that, it doesn’t matter point is you have options.
Morgot is a quality build to me. Not sure if lore related but he's got tools based in all; intelligence, faith, strength, dex. Hes got magic, "miracles", big weapons, and mad hops
Representing AGTJake! Once again, another great video. Really appreciate how in depth you and Vaati go as far as sources. Can’t wait til DLC to shine some light on other Elden Ring mysteries.
Awesome content as usual. Would you be willing to do a community q&a at some point? I've accumulated a bunch of random questions over my recent playthroughs that might not fit a larger video but I'd still be very curious to hear your thoughts on. If that's something you and/or the community would be interested in at all. Regardless, eager for whatever you make next. Kudos and keep up the great work.
I wish I had the artistic skills or commission money to create what I’m imagining, but just picture the Crucible Era, with Horax Loux and his huge Bronze tree axe leading Morgot and a pre-blood crazed Mohg and the 16 crucible knights. What a terrifying thing to meet on a battlefield.
I've been following you since your video about the Godskins, and right from that moment I knew you were going to be my favorite Elden Ring lore creator. I'm always excited to see a new video of yours come out, so it was great to finally get this one, about one of my favorite characters in-game. Do you see there being enough content to create a video dedicated to Melina? Since the game released the biggest question on my mind has been who or what exactly she is. I've always thought it too simple, too easy for her to mean Marika when she refers to her mother in the Erdtree, and her other bits of dialogue like about her being "burned and bodiless," or her many references to Destined Death, keep me wondering what it all means. I know you briefly touched on her in your video about the Night of the Black Knives, but that really just left me wanting more. Thank you for all the content you've made so far! I can't wait to keep getting more from you
1:10:10 Golden Magic might have something to do with the ability of the Erdtree to keep remembrances. If the Erdtree remembers it, it can be summoned. From weapons to people. As for the shackles, they might reflect the main role and power of the Erdtree: enforcing Order.
Nicely done again Geoff, Morgott is a very good character, not only a perfect boss as margit but with a cool lore as well. But something that bothers me is that he forgave and work with the order and the ppl that locked him in the sewers and despise the omens, this situation in my point of view is like, someone hit someone in the face and the one who got hit thanks it for that ( sorry if it is confusing). If im wrong then you or anyone who read this, plz, correct me i have a open mind for change.
His lore runs so deep. I was honestly impressed when I began to piece his story together. He is indeed deserving of his title as the last, true king of Lyndell. Great lore dive Geoff, as always!
22:49 Imagine you trying to sleep with horn sprouting out of body. Must be a horrible fight to get a good position. But, when you finally can fall asleep, you have nightmares. This is very dark.
Very interesting as always! 👍🏻 I always thought Mogh and Morgott lived at the outside world as kids (this is where Morgott came to love the earth tree) and after Marika drove Godfrey away the Omens were locked into the severs. I can't imagine Godfrey had a hand in that. And if he was still there I believe he was against it. About Godfrey golden protection: I never thought about Morgott summoning him even though the connection was obvious.... I thought it's more like Godfrey sensed Morgott's in danger and summoned a part of himself there to fight us because he was away at that time. (Assuming he can do the same magic as Morgott) I never used the Omen Blood pot so I had no idea of that. Also a further connection to the wraiths and the Omens is that there's also a wraith caller deep down in the severs. I believe it was put there as a sort of connection to the Omen.
Minor thought on the Golden Counsel. Particularly, Ranni. Wouldn't she have cast off her body by then, as her and Godwyn were the catalyst to Marika shattering the ring?
If the sovereign alliance was formed after the shattering, then Ranni would’ve had to have shown herself after taking the form of the snowy witch, right? Maybe there was just a seat there for her, but I always assumed she was MIA ever since the night of black knives
@@SmoughTown here goes my 2nd attempt on thoughts. I absolutely love this video and Morgott is my favorite demigod to talk about. And the omens in general. My ideas stem from this video, the omen video and the deathrite/ghostflame video and another one I forget the name of I suspect that in the time of the crucible when omen died their soul, was just guided back to the crucible to be melted down and reused. But under the golden order of the Erd Tree and no longer have a way of being unmade and since they are cut off from the Erd Tree they latch on to thier Kin. I think the reason why the omen are attacked by the wraiths is simply because omthier blood is essential a part of crucible the wraiths see the omen like other souls would see the ghostflames of the death birds or Rosa's guiding light. But due to thier nature as wraiths (due to being cut off from prevailing cycle) they can only rage against the only thing they see. I suspect they are closer to rancor than spirits. As for spirit ashes going crazy, probably due to the blood having power over the spirits in some way causing them to draw upon the negative aspects of thier soul. But because they are a complete non wraith spirit the effect will end once the blood wears off. I don't think Morgott spent time in the capital, at least not free and clear, as I suspect thst since he saw his father fight in combat enough to recreate his image perhaps they where conciveced and raised during the campaign that Markia and Godfrey (which as I understand things was still in his "chieftain Warrior beast mode" and gave up sarosh after conquering the faints and becoming lord) led to conquer the lands between ending with the fire giants. I surmise that the capital as a whole knew about the twins being born, but never met them, and if and when they came back to the captial they where kept hidden and the shackles made to prevent them from escaping and as the crucible became more reviled they where eventually locked into the sewers with the rest of the omen. Which is how later when Morgott returns as the vield monarch the people of Lyndell accept him. I also think it's interesting that the "fell omen" and the "fell God" are both known as this because history has been written through the eyes of the golden order, my theory is that the God of the fire giants is the God thst ruled during the crucible along side placiduax and fled to the "flame of ruin" (which i believe is the remaining bottom part of the crucible, as the flame aspect was clearly seperated from it when the Erd Tree emerged) As for the rest of the video, my word I think your absolutely right about radagan manipulating Morgott and Gideon I think there was more but that's what I remember!
When speaking of the Night's Cavalry, I noticed that much of the same language and themes are used in an older game: Armored Core: Verdict Day. There is a 'Reaper Squad' that the player fights in several instances, and as with the Cavalry, their literal translation is 'Death God Unit'. They too hunt down champions and heroes to prevent the crumbling world order from changing, although in this case the motives and forces behind them are much more malicious. Just wanted to point out a revisited idea, something we know From does often but maybe slipped some people by.
Sweet. Easily my favorite shardbearer behind Rykard. Still holding out hopes you'll make a video so I can finally know what the deal is with that one turtle that is a pastor.
48:50 FINALLY. Ive been saying this for actual months, and this is the first time I've gotten someone major to back me up. Thank god. No one knows besides you, the sculptor, Corhyn, and Goldmask. Gideon doesn't know shit.
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I have an idea. What if Morgott and Mogh were but into the sewers after Godfrey was banished. It would be super out of character for someone like Godfrey to let his children be inprisoned in the sewers especially when he was probably the most sympathetic to the Omen and their situation. After he was banished there was literally no one left to protect Morgott and Mogh especially when Marika isn't exactly the best parent. There really aren't any timeline problems for this idea and it makes sence with Godreys characterization
Yeh that's very likely in my mind!
Sounds like some game of thrones type situation
@@briggs4884 Not really sounds like an average thursday for Marika. And remember the lore was writen by George Martin aka the creator and writer of the game of thrones books
I think this is the most likely scenario too
There is a good chance that Marika had some role in Godwyn's death so it wouldn't surprise me if she just threw them in there.
“Have it writ upon thy meager grave: felled by King Morgott, Last of all Kings” is hands down one of the most badass things I’ve ever heard
First time I heard "Last of all Kings." I was too shaken to fight and his first combo obliterated me.
The pre fight speechifying in Elden Ring is top tier. My favorites are the Morgott line and Ranni’s “Send word far and wide of the last Queen of Caria, Rennala of the Full Moon, and the majesty of the night she conjureth.” Absolute hype
when I beat him I said "King Morgott, Last of all Kings. Felled by a Tarnished of no renown..."
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he wanted to morget, but he got morgott
Ironic that the only demigod who stayed loyal to the Erdtree/Golden Order was the one who had no claim to the throne owing to his status as an Omen. And of course, the fact he is known as the Grace-Given, plus the fact that his Great Rune is proof of his link to Godfrey also shows that ultimately the Erdtree was impressed with Morgott's loyalty and his dedication to the cause. But Radagon still kept the entrance into the tree sealed to all.
Hence why Morgott refers to himself as 'last of all kings'. Despite all he's done, he knows he can't take the Elden Ring and the Lands Between will remain in its current state. Imagine how he feels: shunned and cast out yet he still remained loyal to the same order that hated his very existence, and it's ultimately all for nought. Plus the final barrier he puts in our path is a phantom of his father: he's lonely, too.
More than that: even as the veiled Monarch, Morgott could never have children to continue his lineage. As an omen, they'd be rejected the same way he was, and he couldn't have a royal consort as he is.
No next king after him. He'll be the last :)
@@TheGuyInATie1 wouldn’t it technically pass to Mohg after that? And then probably to Godrick being the next closest descendant. That’s if I’ve got my understanding of succession law right
@@SorowFame Mohg has the same problem (and is also more of a freak for the formless mother stuff) and Godrick is widely hated so the succession would probably collapse
In fairness, the immeno tree of the erd (that is, the Crucible) essentially gave birth to it as it is. Morgott does not defend the Golden Order itself (the Golden Order was created by Marika and has nothing to do with the erd tree, rather it is simply used as a religious symbol). But the erd tree is perceived by many as a symbol of life itself. That's what he's protecting. In fact, if the tree burns down, then nothing terrible will happen.
@@nicklagoni7306 Technically, the throne could also fall to Nephelli if she lives. Though that runs into the same issue as Godrick with tarnished being widely hated. Other than that it falls down to a civil war between the nobility for the throne, or more likely given the weakness of nobility in this game, the military would install a leader. None of it's important however because we claim the throne through force.
Yes! Emboldened by the flame of ambition, I’ve come to learn more about one of my favourite characters.
Enjoy Sean!
I'm completely against the Golden Order but I'll admit that Morgott is pretty epic and badass.
Put these foolish ambitions to rest...
Honestly this video covers my favorite standout detail of the golden order that being, it seems more like radagons personal idea, marika wanted to remove destined death as part of her plan to give the power of the elden ring and the erd tree to mortals, the greater will just wanted to conquer and dominate the deities and lands afar (ima get back to this juicy thought), but where’d the golden order come from? It seems like it was “marikas” or “the greater wills” idea, but one thing I’ve thought about is, how “good” was radagon really……look.at.his.actions. He seems, in the shadows, secret, manipulative, This man is the inversion of marika, he CANNOT be a good person, my thought is of course, he adhered the idea of the golden order to marika and the greater will, it seems like an something neither would come up with, and yet it directly benefits both. Now that I’m done gushing over this video and tearing into radagons sus behavior, back to that greater will thought nugget eh?--
-the grace may have only touched those in the lands between but, hoarah louxs conquest is the origins of the outer continents and their savagery, this makes the tarnished common knowledge, which is why everyone calls us graceless when in truth we are the only grace blessed tarnished. But this also puts in perspective how long of a time had past for our potential latest lineage in character selection being from reeds, and yet we are long dead until called back home by a tree that can barely reach us, and so how was it in its true prime?
I like the way Morgott's summoning of the Godfrey spectre mirrors Ranni's summoning of the Rennala spectre. Something very poignant about these messed-up, demi-god children summoning illusions of their parents in their prime.
Such devotion... I'm glad at least Godfrey was a good father to him, he deserves that kindness.
in the end he got the grace he always wanted even when it came at the price of his horns and his life.
I tend to take a different take, that Godfrey placed less stock in the forms of the Omens, and put more stock into what they could do. They were, to him, very useful as soldiers and warriors, because they were could be very capable fighters. Keep in mind, Godfrey is also Horah Loux, a warrior with few peers. That doesn't mean that he doesn't love, and it is clear that he loved Marika and his children. At the same time, to him, martial prowess is key, and Morgott definitely lived up to that ideal. That Godfrey/Horah Loux accepts his defeat by you, shows that you've proved yourself to him.
Godfrey valued strengh of arms.
How does one earn the title Grace-Given? Somehow I doubt that he just gave that name to himself.
i got an inkling that Marika was the one who made the decision to banish Mohg and Morgott... can't confirm, but yea, Godfrey doesn't seem like the kind of person who would do it.
When I first heard Margit mention the "flame of ambition", I thought it was just a cheeky reference to Dark Souls.
But after discovering the story of Morgott and Mohg, I came to a much more shocking revelation: Mohg stood before the Formless Mother when trapped in the Shunning Grounds, and his accursed blood erupted with flame. That was probably the moment where he accepted his accursed condition, and decided he would make it his strength. It was probably the moment where he first conceived or received a vision of the Mohgwyn dynasty, his dynasty, destined to rise from the sewers to eventually overthrow the Golder Order itself.
What if Morgott was present? What if the offer was extended to him as well?
Then, the "flame of ambition" isn't just a metaphor for the destructive and all-consuming actions of the selfish Shardbearers. Whenever Morgott says these words, he's probably thinking back of the moment when his brother's destructive ambition took literal form through an eruption of flame.
Ha, may very well be true.
What if up was down?
Holy shit, this is a cool thought.
A fun little detail about grace leading to and rewarding conflict is that in the colosseum after a fight has concluded the victor literally has grace appear over their head.
Wow how I miss this
Godfrey’s Clone also has a full axe, unlike when we fight him. So this shows Morgot saw him fight in the past with his full axe. Even in the pictures on the wall Godfrey doesn’t have a full axe. 10:16 (picture on the wall)
Not to mention the mohg apparition we fight misses the powers the mohg gains when he becomes lord of blood
@@CosmicKnightly I never understood that part about Mohg
@@thomasdwalker9696 could be that since he is an illusion, he doesn’t have access to the formless mother, and thus can’t use the higher end blood magic incantations. I’m not so sure though, since he can use the other ones just fine.
Perhaps it is because he made the illusion while still in the sewers of Leyndell, and thus didn’t know the spells that he presumably learned later while overseeing Moghwynn Palace. If the illusions is a trap (kinda like the trap that Ranni put on the amber egg) preset by Mogh, then this is probably the answer.
@@jackweaver1846 Maybe it’s so the Golden order and Morgott still thinks he’s in the sewers? And not in Moghwyn palace
I dont understand how Morgott wouldnt see someone like his twin as anything less than a heretic.
This is a fabulous assessment of Morgott and his life! However, I think you may have overlooked something tremendously important: The Tarnished once operated out of the Fortified Manor in Leyndell. This, in turn, means that the Shattering was long since underway and Tarnished were being called back in light of the demi-gods' struggles. As such, Morgott himself would have once accepted these Tarnished as heroes and hoped they could make good on the words imparted on their return, to seek the Elden Ring and become Elden Lord. Morgott would have trusted that someone could save the world, that the Greater Will or the Two Fingers had a plan. Leyndell supported and encouraged Vyke, Bernahl, and others to fufill their apparent divine calling and become the exemplars the demi-gods claimed to be but fell far short of.
Imagine, then, the horror when Vyke abandoned his duty and was fooled by the Frenzied Flame, resulting in the loss of an entire village in Liurnia. Imagine the astonishment when Vyke seemingly murdered his own Finger Maiden, the person he supposedly sought to help, and had to be imprisoned in an evergaol. What's more, Bernahl and his maiden finally reached their mysterious goal, only for it to be the heretical Forge of the Fell God, and Bernahl's maiden killed herself as a sacrifice to this horrid flame. These Finger Maidens, supposedly carrying a divine purpose, in fact sought their own gruesome deaths to fuel a cruel, pagan being, whose Fire Giant followers were said to have been cursed to even worship it.
The Tarnished's guidance caused ashes to fall on large swathes of Leyndell, such as the quarter leading to the Forbidden Lands. Innocents were potentially slaughtered. This "divine" mission only set the Erdtree on fire, further devastating the health of the world in general, not to mention risking that the Deathblight could gain a greater foothold... and for what?
The path to the Elden Ring still wouldn't open.
If that weren't wretched enough, Bernahl refused to fight further, or perhaps couldn't defeat a formidable foe and thus sought the Blasphemous Claw of Volcano Manor by any means necessary. What's more, this fearsome force was Maliketh, an honored, loyal ally of the Golden Order. Despite who Maliketh was, despite being their ally, the mission of these Tarnished sought to kill him. Furthermore, the Rune of Death might drastically worsen the state of the world and risk eternal Deathblight torment.
This, I believe, is the core of why Morgott hates the Tarnished. The Grace-given lord once embraced and trusted these people, believing in an overarching wisdom of the Greater Will or a path for redemption. However, upon seeing the failures and horrific deeds of Vyke and Bernahl, of the Finger Maidens, and of the Tarnished mission as a whole, Morgott may have believed that the very call for the Tarnished, the restoration or new gifting of Grace, was an error in the universe itself. The return of the banished, the acceptance of the automatically forsaken -- these were all just symptoms of the world's illness and potential death. Morgott, Mohg, and any omen with newfound golden eyes were coincidental recipients of the latest bad sign to date.
The Greater Will was seeming MIA after all. Morgott may have also learned from the Two Fingers that Marika was punished for her deeds, so no salvation from her would happen either. What's more, the Two Fingers might have decided that the Shattering and its violence really were the only viable path, and thus rejected even Morgott's efforts to save civilization, to maintain peace, and to have the Lands Between live up to the very notions of benevolence and wisdom that the Grace, moon, and so on were supposed to hold dear. That could be how the Tarnished were ultimately kicked out of the Fortified Manor and no longer treated with renown.
Even then, with the Tarnished a potential dead end and the Grace given to omens by mistake, Morgott seems to have sought some way to still help the world. When the player first reaches the Elden Throne, Morgott is busy with something next to the wall of thorns. Even all these years later, Morgott is apparently checking the seal and trying to force or convince the Erdtree to open. Morgott's dying words confirm that he has tried to approach the core of the Erdtree and mend the Elden Ring, only for the deeds to be met with failure. It's doubtful that we encounter Morgott on his first ever attempt of this.
Even as he thinks the world is likely doomed and filled with false hopes, even as his own sister, Melina, tries to kill him for a cause she doesn't know, Morgott still strives to create a world where life prospers. The Flame of the Fell God isn't trustworthy, the Rune of Death even less so, but the last of all kings nonetheless works so his title ceases being true.
I could go on further, as I feel omens are genuinely cursed by the Formless Mother and thus victims of multiple tragedies, but I'll stop here. Despite a hellish life, Morgott is one of the few good people encountered in the Lands Between, and it's tragic that he has to be slain. At the very least, he gets to join the Erdtree as Grace in the end, and guide his father's path to show that he knows Godfrey has returned.
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Damn... I'll add that to my headcannon. That's fucking awesome.
I personally think that both Mohg and Morgott met the Formless Mother in the sewers, even if she has a preference for omen blood in general, the other omens don't have such powers so I think that they both made contact with her and that's why they have access to the bloodflame. Mohg embraced her powers and his blood erupted with fire, while Morgott rejected them and sealed his accursed blood in his sword as the description says
Personally I like the image of the frenzied flame going for morggot instead
Morgott's sword is a wounding instrument literally made of blood as well, so the formless mother would probably be invoked by it pretty strongly I imagine.
@@theenderdestruction2362 maybe he was tempted, he does place a barrier to prevent people from reaching it.
@@iamMildlyUpsetWithMostOfYouTub makes sense
@@theenderdestruction2362 even though it's dead wrong and never happened
During the early wars of the erdtree, Godfrey and Marika gave birth to Morgott and Mogh.
They were born in the early years of the erdtree that still had crucible influence and did not see the omens as non-human.
The perfumers tried to treat the omens and learn more about the symptoms they have like the nightmares. Those same perfumers began to create bonds and better understand their patients.
The twins being seen as humans that have a curable disease were allowed to live in the capital and at the center of the Golden Order while having stronger bonds with Godfrey who is sympathetic with the crucible.
At the end of the wars, Godfrey loses its grace and with his companions, found himself exiled from the lands between.
Seeing no improvement in the treatement of the omens, Marika or Radagon without Godfrey accord (since he's gone) imprison the twins to the sewer and start the persecution of the omens.
Edit: Wrote this comment during lunch with many errors. It should be readable now.
Who knew Godfrey was such a standup dad? At least by comparison.
@@codymegehee299 unlike most other bosses in ER, Godfrey was human, which usually comes with at least some amount of compression.
Morgott's battle to deny his blood, his breakdown mid-fight and falling back on his raw bloodline abilities really reminds me of the Lady Maria fight in Bloodborne.
Release restraint, level 1
I don't think he's necessarily empowered by the formless mother, but in his desperation to defeat you, draws upon the power in his blood, using the same power of flaming blood of Mohg and blackened flames that sewer omen call upon
I notice that the difference in Red Hue between Morgott and Mohg's accursed blood in pretty severe, which makes me wonder if Morgott's blood lacks the fire and crimson hues because his accursed blood is imbued with his faith in and draws power from the Golden Order, whereas Mohg takes his power from The Formless Mother and the Burning Blood she brought forth in him.
@@HollandTHG I always thought the same thing that his faith for the order has infused with his blood making it different then his brothers mohg
Except, specifically, the Ash of War on his sword, which uses the exact same type of Bloodflame as Mohg.
@@WolfHreda could that be why he hides it in a wooden Cane because it is his corrupted blood and only uses it because We made it to the erd tree itself so it his last attempt to stop us
@@kamarreingram5045 Maybe.
The line “felled by King Morgott, last of all kings.” was honestly terrifying to hear going up against him.
Well, at least second time.
Too bad he was a first time kill for me. He barely put up a fight.
@@Exxt3R Seriously a great fight. I wish he had more HP :/
@@Exxt3R lemme guess. a bleed build with dragon incantations?
@@valkoroska2369 bare fists
You probably get this a lot, but I really appreciate these videos, especially with how deep you dive into each topic. Miyazaki creates wonderful stories many people skip over, so it's really nice for them to get the attention they deserve.
Thank so much, honestly it’s humbling to hear and it keeps me going. I just loving exploring this amazing world
Isn't Morgott Martin's creation? I do agree that his story is wonderful.
"Grace-given" strikes me as a nickname given to him by his subjects in awe of his acomplishments defending the city in such bad times. The world's gone to hell but the walls hold; grace has given them a good king.
Radagon is the true antagonist of elden ring. For quite some time i saw the greater will as the driving force behind the evil of the game's world, but it is more of a neutral force, whom desires the world to be in order. The form of the order does not matter to it. The shattering brought the world to chaos, but such chaos is just a part of the world's cycles. Radagon's order banished and persecuted the omens and the misbegotten. Radagon had driven rennala to madness when he left her, leaving liurnia in dissaray due to ensuing conflicts. All of his children had turned away from him, some seeking to overthrow his rule, even. The only one who didn't, was radahn, who idealised godfrey and thought he carried on his legacy, while completely misunderstanding what the elden lord stood for and in result, carried out his father's will unquestioningly. Radagon sealed the erdtree to keep together a crumbling order and halting the world's natural cycles. It is very fitting that he ends up being the final (or kind of final) boss.
Yeah I feel like Radagon is the true Final Boss, in every sense of the word. Ol Beast...it just exists.
Radagon is the last sentient being that truly opposes us, who wants to see us dead and buried.
The Beast is more like...the final trial. It's not an antagonist or a villain, more a force of nature.
It exists, you exist...Neither really want to fight each other, but both know it has to be this way.
I still feel a little bad for him, he hated himself partially like Morgott too for his red hair and if it's unknown if he did leave Rennala willingly. I think another reason for why he could have sealed off the erdtree was just out of spite for Marika for destroying the elden ring rather than out of a sense of self-preservation for his order, since he had to have known it was over for the both of them at that point.
I've always seen it as the Golden Order being the villain of the story, and since Radagon is meant to be a sort of personification of the Golden Order he got dumped into that roll. Based off of Radahn and Rykard's pride for being his son (as seen in their respective knight's helmets) it would seem as though he wasn't a bad father, and definitely inspired a sort of passion for family in Rykard. I think he largely sealed the Erdtree so Marika wouldn't be able to escape the divine punishment, as he still seems to be largely subserviently to the Greater Will's vassal beast, the Elden Ring, literally becoming it's blade. Also note that both his and Marika's scar/soreseals imply that they weren't exactly happy with their roles, which is why I think he's similar to Gwyn and Gehrman. He didn't intend for things to turn out this way and tried to do right, but in the end he's just another of the pathetic old men bosses.
I feel that Radagon is partially a victim of Marika's own deeds. He was created specifically by her and apparently put into society without a background or figurative life of his own. He was sent to fight against Liurnia and only carved out an identity for himself in combat, but faced the potential existential humiliation of a double stalemate. The Liurnian wars also seemed to notably lack Godfrey and the Crucible Knights, with no indication that the Tarnished existed and were banished at the time, so the Liurnian conflicts themselves might have been excuses for a "test run" of Radagon.
Upon this potential double failure at his very life, Radagon was possibly married off to Rennala by Marika, as opposed to actually loving Rennala and/or being loved. I say this because the Celestial Dew he was noted as using might have a severely nefarious foundation -- judging from the Starlight Shards potions, the stars' "fates" might actually just be the stars infringing upon, and even erasing, free will. Furthermore, if the player makes an NPC hostile and proceeds to murder them, the "atonement" statue will instead say that the player has no reason to atone. With this in mind, Radagon's "atonement" with Celestial Dew might not have been a cosmic way to repent and make amends, but instead to brainwash Rennala and Liurnia.
Since Marika is a Numen, who have ties to the Nox and Nokron, she could have been readily aware of these practices and what the stars could do, thus having a back-up plan to gain influence in Liurnia while experimenting with splitting her soul apart. Radagon would therefore be created as a test subject and weapon, alone in the world and defined by two wars he couldn't win. Radagon would then be used again as a weapon, forced to live among the very people he was created to fight. Radagon's silencing of the preceptors seems very domineering and insecure, and with what he ultimately did to Rennala, Radagon might have been emotionally abusive over time.
In this scenario, Radagon would be bitter in a life he never wanted, cursed with the red hair of a defeated people as a reminder of Marika's other (and successful) war campaigns, in addition to this hair color perhaps marking him as inferior and able to be crushed just like the Fire Giants. Furthermore, Radagon wouldn't have a path to, as Golden Order Fundamentalism puts it, "regress" back to being the complete Marika. In that regard, Radagon would be eternally reminded that he was robbed of his normal existence and made a total stranger in the world, used as a tool that couldn't accomplish what he was even created for and then stuck with people he never actually liked and who never genuinely liked him.
Radagon would probably be stuck if not for Marika's sudden decision to select him as the next Elden Lord, baffling the Lands Between. In turn, Radagon might jump at the opportunity to become closer to his initial home, Leyndell, be acknowledged as something much closer to his original self, and even be near his core self again. At some point, Marika even seemed to assimilate Radagon back into herself, thus why they shared the same body around the time Marika shattered the Elden Ring. All along, Radagon never seemed included in Marika's plans to send the Tarnished away and bring them back, to create a weapon to slay a god, to shatter the Elden Ring, and to encourage the subsequent Shattering war.
In the end, Radagon was left in the dark, desperate to become the original, complete Marika again, and bitterly seeking anything that could get him closer to that goal. In the course of this, he failed to recognize that at least some people may have genuinely liked and respected him, if only his own children. However, if Radagon's entire existence as Liurnia's king, and the relationship that caused that, was built on a nefarious act by Nokron's sorceries, then Radagon was burdened with knowing his life and any love toward him were a lie.
This might not be the case, but with the ambiguity surrounding Radagon, it may very well be the case. Though he increasingly chose cruel and malicious actions, Radagon himself would literally be nothing without Marika, and he may well be victimized in turn. Even the gift of the Amber Egg and Great Rune of the Unborn to Rennala might be literally impossible for Radagon to accomplish without Marika actively arranging for such a thing, thereby making that too part of her plans.
The elden beqst was sealed the erdtree from people to get in, when we fight radagon he is just a corpse and not alive, the true antagonist is the elden beast that is the living form of the elden ring
What good fortune! And about my favorite character, no less! I'd taken a break from Elden Ring and just today I've returned. It'll be a pleasure to listen as I make my way through The Lands Between once more.
I hope you enjoy my friend
I'm glad I'm not the only one who puts these videos on as I'm playing! I love the commentary as I'm exploring ❤️
I love the idea that in the sewers, if that really is Mohg consciously and intentionally preventing you from reaching the Frenzied Flame, that means even HE doesn't want anyone to have access to the Frenzied Flame (probably cuz that would mean his dynasty wont exist).
Everyone dying would put a stop to everyone's plans
I personally believe that Formless Mother revealed herself before both Mogh and Morgott deep in Shunning Grounds when they were younger. Mogh embraved this revelation, Morgott rejected it but the seed was planted into both.
Also I think the title 'Veiled Monarch' references Mimic's Veil which would have allowed him to appear normal to people of Leyndell but made him unable to fight openly, hence why Margit persona is made into his battle self. If you alliance theory is correct, Godrick was once among the people of this alliance; "When Godrick was hounded from Leyndell, the Royal Capital, this was one of a multitude of treasures he took with him." , thus denying Morgott the capability to appear in public in any way except Margit.
Ngl seeing Godfrey hold Morgott in his arms and him being touched by Grace almost made me cry
The ONLY channel i watch at a timer for a release! Thank you Smoughtown!
Thank you James! That honestly means the world
It would make sense for Morgot to have spent *some* time above ground while Marika and Godfrey were figuring out what to do with the twins. But the description "he has never known love" tells us that, even if he was, it would've been under poor conditions. Godfrey was of the time of the Crucible, and would've accepted the twins no problem because it would've been normal for omens to be born. However, it's the Golden Order, the construct once beloved by Marika and crafted by her, that made it an issue. I believe it's Marika who rejected them, and decided what to do with them, whose choice Godfrey was powerless to change because it did not encompass just the children but her rule overall.
The Tarnished Archeologist's latest video on the omens has put things in perspective. The twins being born would be quite the shock to her, especially if they came after the perfect Godwyn. They symbolised all that she had worked to change: a reminder of all those other possible scions (other gods) that could've been nurtured into the tree (ruling over the lands between as the main deity) if she hadn't been the Erdtree's champion, and also a reminder that her rule is not perfect, it's finite, and it's the beginning of the end. Then it would make sense that it's Marika who first rejected the twins, and that she was the one who began the practice. Influence in any monarchy comes from the top. She could not both have children and uphold the Golden Order ideals. Furthermore, "purging" the omens would remove those nasty reminders about her reign from sight.
The first love a person knows is the mother's after all. If Morgot knows none at all, it means Marika rejected him first.
Stopped playing elden ring as I'm new to fromsoft games and not very good. Saw some lore videos and started watching them especially yours and fell in love with the lore of this game and started playing again and now love elden ring. Thank you for single handedly sparking my interest in elden ring again!
That's honestly great to hear! Really glad it got you back into the game - enjoy!
I wish Morgott's Golden Magic was available as incantations. Being able to summon Giant-Crusher or the Carian Sword as Golden Constructs would be so cool. The Golden Spear, the Rain of Swords. All so very cool. Morgott was a warrior and a caster in a league of his own.
Morgott deserved so much better. He wasn't after power or ambition, only wanting to defend the only home he knew from madness and death. He was a king through and should have gotten the Elden Ring.
Morgott was the only demigod to actually know struggle and come out the better person for it. He would have brought the lands between together eventually without it being a pipedream.
The effort of you and tarnished archeologyst put in this works is something above the amazing. Glad that you also discovered sabaku,is a master in terms of lore knowledge. Keep it up man!
Thank you my friend, being compare next to TA is an honour! And Sabaku is incredible!
I finished Elden Ring last week. I got it for Christmas. It was entertaining and your lore videos have made understanding the nuances of the story significantly easier. Thank you for that.
My pleasure Sebastian, really great to hear and glad you enjoyed the game as well!
He truly was Lord of Leyndell. Rest in peace king, your duty is done.
Thank you for this insightful video. You always manage to find more information than I expect. You did the Omen King justice.
Praise be to Morgott, the Grace-Given, Last of all Kings!!!
Thank you my friend, I love this character so i'm really pleased to hear you say that!
Hail King Morgott!
Morgott is honestly my favorite boss because of his Lore. His fight also makes me kinda sad.
Morgott (or rather Margit) is the first great boss fight in the game. the tree sentinel is really hard, but Margit is where the game seriously asks you to step up and git gud.
...its like the game is aware of this, hence why it would provide the player a tool to stun Margit so as to say "oh ok, baby couldn't beat margit, here cheese the fight and move on" and then pats the player on the head.
i make it a point not to buy the item and beat Margit legitimately every time, even if he kicks my ass a couple of times because otherwise i feel ashamed that i had to essentially admit defeat and resort to the noob tool.
@@ZugzugZugzugson yup. He’s the first true Skill Check Boss of the game
The “uneasy alliance” bit actually makes a lot of sense, because I always wondered why Godrick would have a throne rather than Godwyn (besides being a major player in your character’s time). Taking this into account, it’s kind of curious how Ranni spun her tale of being killed and placed in a puppet body since she had to have been in Doll form by the time this alliance came around after the shattering
That would actually explain why her throne is smaller than even Miquella's. It was built for her tiny doll form (the height of which she's subtly hinted to be insecure about) instead of her taller original body!
around 48:30 you FINALLY answered something I have never understood. Why did Marika tell Gideon that "none shall take the throne?" when clearly thats what she wants. The dichotomy of Radagon and Marika is just something I never thought of!
that's Radagon.
Gideon's "revelation" about Marika's intent is him being tricked by Radagon.
when he says "marika has high hopes for us, that we continue to struggle, onto eternity" that is clearly Radagon's last ditch attempt at stopping us from reaching his chamber.
in the end its a bit ironic that the "all knowing" ultimately did not know, and thus ended up being tricked as a result.
he goes to his grave believing he carried out Marika's will.
Marika has, from the start of the game, intended to have the tarnished kill her. it is our entire purpose.
she really goes above and beyond what can be considered "jumping through hoops" to do something as 'simple' as committing suicide.
Hewg is tasked with the impossible task of crafting a weapon that can slay her as well.
its basically an open secret that she did what she did so that she could end her existence.
Godfrey and the tarnished being banished from the lands between was a literal insurance policy on her part. she knew that shattering the elden ring would cause the greater will to flip out and imprison her (for all we know, until the end of time).
when we, the tarnished, arrive in Limgrave things have clearly been in a state of catastrophe for a long time.
Morgott's intro cutscene was changed post launch to remove the flames spewing from his sword, which makes sense if they are part of his blood and he was still in full control
1:25:25 He (and Gideon) might have just mistaken Radagon's will for Marika's will, since nobody knows their secret besides the player.
Doesn't golden mask know as well?
@@mojus2890 Only after you tell him.
One thing I just noticed is the tones in Morgotts voice in reference to the different demigods. When he says “the twin prodiges” and to a degree “general radahn” I can almost hear a sort of fondness in his voice, but when he says “praetor rykard” there is a much harsher tone in his voice. It certainly would be in character, we know general radahn was with the golden order at some point.
If I remember correctly he was a Fundamentalist revered not only for his physical strength and skill in battle but also his intelligence.
@@SabreArchon you might be thinking of Radagon, Radahn has nothing to do with fundamentalism.
@@SorowFamehe might have before he went insane from scarlet rot
I’ve always been suspicious of the wording that the alliance “rots” from within. That definitely seems like a reference to Malenia. I wonder if that demigod council’s breakdown is written in a developer’s lore bible somewhere, because that’s a drama I would love to have details on.
I could imagine some conflict between miquella and Morgott as miquellas unalloyed gold seems pretty anti erdtree, or atleast I can see that’s how Morgott may have seen things. Godrick probably caused a lot of trouble most likely because I imagine he despised omens, Rykard held ambitions against the erdtree, heck like pretty much everyone except for Radahn had some sort of anti greater will plot going on. no wonder the alliance rotted.
Yes, maybe Malenia's rot, which caused Miquella to develop the needle, caused the alliance itself to rot as they all started abandoning the greater will?
This is very interesting Morgott is one of the most and intriguing characters in terms of lore and his character always wondered what the Formless Mother had to do with our fight with Morgott so its very interesting to reach an explanation for how the outer god is connected to omens,Incredible Morgott Video Smough have a great day
Thanks my friend, hope you have a nice day too
@@SmoughTown you’re welcome. Thanks
the addition of viscount shanehaight and his quest would've added so much to the worldbuilding and story and made morgott's character so much more interesting. its really quite baffling that they cut him.
Imagine Mogh and Morgott had teaming up to defend the earthtree… we would never have seen Radagon.
Tanks for these amazing lore videos Smough :)
My pleasure Henrik! (and I 100% agree)
I'd say one detail about Morgot is that he always talks about the "flame of ambition" and regards it as a danger. I think that is because he saw Mogh embrace the powers in his blood and the beginning of his ambition to become a lord and establish a dynasty. Given Morgot's conditioning this would only be natural.
Late to the party but based on the trailers and the way the thrones are set in front of the Erdtree (not super strong evidence i know) i think the "sovereign alliance" was composed of Godfrey descendants with their main enemies being Radahn and Rykard. Without Godwin there's no clear successor (and that explains why he was the target of the NOTBK) so from the point of view of an inhabitant of the world a succession crisis is unavoidable. Btw i'll base this on the views of someone from the Lands Between as much as i can:
-The sovereign alliance is based on the right of blood: Morgott is not only the next in line, but he and his brother are the last direct descendants of Marika (consider that most people don't know Marika is Radagon) with Godrick in a distant third place. Rykard and Radahn, in their view, have in fact no claim whatsoever to lordship since they are adopted.
-The "moon alliance" is probably based on the principle that Omens can't inherit because of their curse and Godrick being an unimportant distant cousin, so in their view there's actually no blood successor to the throne anymore. Also we know that Rykard and Radahn were top officials on the regime so they most probably had way more political and institutional support.
-Of course we have the Empireans but we don't know if they can become Elder Lords law-wise (we the players know they indeed can) and either way we know 100% that one doesn't want to, the other is cursed and the last one's intentions regarding all that are a mistery
This is by far my favorite lore video I’ve seen I have completely changed my opinion on Morgott and he is now my favorite character in the game
That's so awesome to hear. Thank you so much
another excellent breakdown, the part about morgott hating himself for being an omen, but still considering himself "the grace-given king" and seeing himself as rightful ruler is a subtlety i haven't seen others catch
I was flip flopping on the reasoning as to why the Omen would be maligned so and then it dawned upon me: Morgott and Mohg are Godfrey's children and in a conventional sense, they're the next in line to the throne. Once Radagon marries Marika, he would need to secure his own power base and put his own children in a higher station. He creates the narrative that makes the Crucible and the Omen seem unfit for the new order he wishes to impose upon the Lands Between, has the twins removed, and makes himself look better for it.
I'm not sure if that sequence of events lines up perfectly with the timeline, but it could explain a few things. I feel there's not a clear enough reason to outright hate the Omen aside from their vile appearance and connection with the Crucible, so either someone of both power and influence had begun the campaign to oust the Omen, or perhaps the Omen did represent a legitimate danger to the Lands Between that has yet to be uncovered.
Another banger of a video! You've most definitely done him justice.
I would like to propose a future subject, but it is likely the most mysterious subject in all of elden ring as far as I can tell.
What was the civilization behind the creation of the divine towers, the golems and the massive widespread of crumbling ruins around all the lands between.
I say this because far as i can tell there are no lore mentions at all about this obviously great and powerful empire.
Of wich the ruins of massive city's or settlements can be found in nearly every area of Elden ring. Namely:
-Right behind the first step when you start the game
-Caelid (in the waling dunes)
-The enormous bridges in the mountaintops of the giants
-The giant dam in Liurnia
-Inside Highroad cave where you fight the guardian golem in Limgrave
I just think it is an interesting topic of conversation.
Thank you for the great effort you put in, i enjoy every second of it!
Thanks so much my friend - I am so glad you liked it. Yeah that is a great topic to get into and I have only mentioned it at a surface level! Will add it to my list!
My two guesses are either the ancient dragon empire when Placidusaxx and his God ruled the land or even the numen civilization before they got banished underground, Marika was probably a part of it before becoming a God.
Smough, I’ve haven’t played Elden Ring for a few months but I never miss any of your videos. Keep up the amazing work!
That means so much to me, I really appreciate your continued support.
Genuinely love your take of the formless mother at the end. As someone who’s deep dived the blood/sin lore of the game since launch. I do think there’s strong connections of omen and the fell god, and the Bloodstar/formless mother. Hence similar connections between fire monks and thorn mages. Furthering the connection of the fell and blood. Also note how it’s not just the demi god fell twins who do this. Even the Omen boss fight before the divine tower, the axe omen also uses bloodflame on his weapon. Which makes me think the Bloodflame is something inherit too all born of the fell omen curse, and the formless mother only enhances and reviles in the curse. Much how she makes Mogh turn to find strength in his curse or mire, which mire can also mean a sort of self imposed negativity, aka sin.
I am of a similar mind and I do need to cover the blood star in a video at some stage!
@@SmoughTown I don’t blame you for taking your time on it. Once you go down the rabbit hole that is sin/FM/Bloodstar you can start seeing it’s symbolism almost everywhere and that can kinda start feeling insane and forcing things to piece together.
@@redglintstonescholar7605 Yeh tbh, I know that it'll consume me when I start it haha
1:10:03 quite funny how the "unifying" force of the frenzied flame is one that can bring together basically every force against it
Mutually Assured Destruction: Giga Edition
Nobody wants to get fried into oblivion by rabies-inducing flame.
There’s 1 thing I find very interesting. Morgott doesn’t use any hammer projection, he specifically uses the Giant Crusher.
The Giant Crusher description implies this weapon is forgotten nowadays, and was used in the war against the Giants. I think this helps in the theory that Morgott was around for some time before being banished to the sewers, as he’d have no way to know what a Giant Crusher was, let alone use one.
We do see in the game that Omen were used militarily, ones clearly standing guard at stormveil, the fell twins etc. Wouldnt be surprised if "Margit" was active in that time.
It's possible that Godfrey visited his children in their prison and brought tales of his military campaigns. Alternatively, Morgott may have looked into his family history upon breaking free, then idolized the parent he knew didn't make the call to forsake him. Morgott might also just select the weapons he incidentally likes the most, as the sword he summons is a Carian blade.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Godfrey enlisted his children’s help despite Marika’s reservations. He’s clearly the only one who care for them and I wouldn’t be surprised if they were only imprisoned after Godfrey was banished.
@@personman8734 The Regal Omen Bairn, made from Morgott's Remembrance, seems to depict Morgott as an infant, considering his iconic horned tail is featured by the bairn. As such, Morgott would have been imprisoned from birth.
Perhaps Omens, like thecCrucible Knights were an odd but accepted part of the growing empire. After the dragons fall to Godwyn and the giants fall to Godfrey we know that Godfrey was sent away
...perhaps at this point the ultra Conservative golden order started reigning strong and also shunned the Omens to be forgotten?
Maybe Lleyndel used to be a nice multi ethnic metropolis until the golden order became too powerful
I love how much you add about Japanese myth as you go through this. I would love to see more about the Nordic myth that has also contributed to this world. Ragnarok has a large parallel to the fate of the Lands Between. Odin crucified and speared on the world tree feels so much like Marika crucified beneath the Erdtree. Thor being described as giant, red haired, wielding a hammer feels so much like Radagon, his red hair inherited from his giant lineage, wielding the hammer used to break the Elden Ring. Godwyn feels so much like Baldur, golden, beautiful, beloved. And assassinated by Loki, who fashions a special weapon to kill him-- the only thing that can kill Baldur. Loki feels like Ranni, architecting Ragnarok with this death. Loki father's Hel, lord of the Underworld just as Ranni's murder of Godwyn produces the Prince of Death form of Godwyn. Loki fathers Fenrir, who is raised alongside the Norse Gods, but destined to betray them, as Blaidd must betray Ranni. Loki fathers the World Eating Serpent, Ranni is sibling to the God Devouring Serpent. Surtur's fire burning the world and leaving a new world behind in the forest feels like the fate of the Erdtree and the Lands between as the event precipitating world reincarnation. Even Melania as Valkyrie fits into this mold. There's so many twins and siblings throughout that mythos-- would love to see that cosmology explored more in your videos, as it pertains to Elden Ring.
I think there's a good question to be asked about how much control over himself/themself Radagon has, given that during the phase transition the Elden Beast comes out of his body, and his body is a broken husk with the Elden Ring inside.
Imo, it's more than likely that Radagon is, after their long imprisonment, just a puppet body for the Elden Beast which is the actual intelligence behind trying to stop us from supplanting the Golden Order, this would make it the decision of the Greater Will to seal the Erdtree.
I have some ideas about how and why the sovereign alliance broke down, and why certain specific demigods are shown fighting each other. We know Ranni and Rykard are actively conspiring against the Golden Order. I believe that the Starscourge Conflict must have occurred during the Alliance, which put Radahn at odds with Ranni, unbeknownst to him. Given his connections to Sellia, and Sellia's connections to the Nox, and the Nox's connections to the Black Knives, it's possible Ranni could have convinced Morgott, Miquella, and Malenia that Radahn was involved in the Night of the Black Knives. This would explain Margit attacking Radahn in the opening, as well as Malenia tracking Radahn all the way to Caelid for revenge. Meanwhile, Malenia being in Caelid leaves Miquella unprotected in the Haligtree, giving Mohg the perfect opportunity to kidnap him. By this point, Lleyndell's troops are constantly at war with Gelmir, Ranni has disappeared before her lies could be discovered, and Malenia is wounded and comatose on her way home to the Haligtree.
Godrick ran like a little bitch.
9:06 Also, the other 2 crucible talismans are guarded by Omen.
Nicely done!!! Your videos hit harder then Dark Eater Midir and are as entertaining as they are long !!
Hahaha and he hits hard! Thank you as always
Something I think that is of note is that Godrick has a line of cut dialogue where he is talking about the other demigods and refers to Morgott as "the fool Omen king" meaning that Godrick is somehow aware of the true nature of Morgott. I think this adds to your Sovereign Alliance theory.
"felled by king morgott last of all kings" such a badass line
So so good
I believe that Godrick and Godefroy weren't sons of Marika and Godfrey, but were descendants, sons or grandsons of Godwyn, Godrick's use of the the epitaph of Golden would imply a connection to the Golden Lineage's firstborn, and most beloved, member, prior to his murder and ascension to Prince of Death
Ranni… got a Great Rune, and was a member of this alliance… Rogier said she hasn’t been seen since the Shattering. Does that mean Ranni was just a ghost the whole time lol.
No Rannis soul is inside a doll u talk to. It's possible even if Rogier saw her he might not think it was
@@jeambeam3173 True, but why would Ranni, who goes around introducing herself under a different name in doll form, meet with the demigods as such if she is to keep a low profile in usurping the Order? Doesn’t make much sense.
I agree mohg and morgott would have lived above ground for a while, and it would also explain why mohg and morgott knew eachother. Had they been thrown down there at birth how would they know of their relation to eachother or their direct connections to the golden order. Further, this also supports the theory that mohg and morgott may have worked together to help black off the three fingers in the tunnels with their seals and projections, something that wouldn't be possible without ever knowing eachother
I know this is a Morgott video (which is amazing, btw!) but I just wanted to share a thought about Malenia not being able to resist the Scarlet Rot when she first bloomed. I think she chose to unleash it and here are the reasons I think this is the case:
In the cutscene you show us of Malenia's prosthesis being broken by Radahn, I believe that she chose to bloom there. One of the reasons being because of what she does with her sword when she stabs Radahn with it. She stabs and snaps the Unalloyed Golden Needle that's in her breast. How do we know that's where the Needle is? Because when we do Millicent's quest and we hand her the Needle, her left arm hovers over the exact same spot Malenia stabs herself in the cutsccene I mentioned before the screen fades to black when she inserts the Needle.
It is also important to note that her sword, the Hand of Malenia, is the only thing present that could have done it. Its description says that "through consecration it is resistant to rot." You would need a certain level of clearheadedness to make a conscious decision to stab the body of the Goddess of Rot with a weapon that can actually harm it the way it is intended. I think that the way she bleeds in that scene is indicative of a purposeful wound.
Also, in one of Millicent's dialogues she mentioned that Malenia abandoned her sense of self in order to meet Radahn's measure: "There is something I must return to Malenia. The will that was once her own. The dignity, the sense of self, that allowed her to resist the call of the scarlet rot. The pride she abandoned, to meet Radahn's measure." In this dialogue, "dignity," "sense of self," and "pride" are likened to the Needle Millicent intends to return to Malenia. In order to "abandon" something you have to make a conscious decision to do so.
All of this suggest to me that it was a conscious choice to snap the Needle and unleash the Scarlet Rot in order to try and win a battle she couldn't afford to lose.
I do agree with the second bloom happening for the reasons you stated in the video.
Great points. To add to this, Morgott is clearly trying to resist his curse in Phase 2, but it literally erupts from him like vomit and then an agonizing explosion. Morgott isn't embracing these powers, they were there without his choice and force themselves to the forefront.
Perhaps Godfrey didn't want his children to be mistreated and opt'd to have them raised--perhaps secretly--within the Erdtree Sanctuary as a compromise. After all, it would be strange for Morgott to be known through the lands as son of Godfrey if they were hidden from birth. But this is under the assumption that Omen were viewed negatively by this point, which is most likely the case since Morgott's whole thing involves his appearance being unknown and that he uses his Margit persona to hide his true nature.
I believe Morgott and Mohg were the final nail in the coffin for Godfrey's status as Elden Lord. His demeaner (without Serosh keeping him tame) was unkempt, and on top of this, it's unlikely that he was wholly loyal to the Greater Will since he was clearly more aligned with the Crucible. The Greater Will definitely saw him as the only obstacle preventing their ideologies from being realized, so they swayed Marika to be rid of him for a more suitable Elden Lord the moment his usefulness came to an end... and then immediately following that, Morgott and Mohg would be banished into the sewers.
My man Geoff posts another immaculate Elden Ring analysis. Morgott is such a great and morally grey char, one of my favourite bosses lorewise.
Great job as always!
Thanks my friend, really appreciate the kind words
@@SmoughTown Always! Big support from Sweden!❤
This made me learn even more about the omen but the most breaking i thought was when you talked about how shamed morgot is of himself and how omen blood are basically dead spirits. And the fact that morrgott made himself become feared like an oni along with having a secret legion of grim reapers being the knights calvary makes me appreciate this character so much, Thank You Foul Tarnished.
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Not one of my favorite characters or bosses, but one of the most respectable for sticking to his beliefs, given his circumstances.
Another banger vid that keeps throwing my list of favorite lore vids and expanding my love for the game. Elden Ring's story is so touching to me in it's human twist on mythic heroes. Not to say that the other souls games don't do that kind of storytelling. Just that to me, in its entirety, this game is the pinnacle of Fromsoft's artistry and I can't believe I'm saying that as big a Bloodborn fan as I am. Incredible to see how far the team has come and I'm blown away at how lovingly channels like SmoughTown will delve headfirst into it all to appreciate every minute ounce of detail and passion put into the game.
I do think it's interesting that the two demigods who seem to have suffered the most ended up being the ones to not only stalwartly reject but also ward others against the Frenzied Flame. I wonder how hard it was for them to resist the FF's call and not give into the despair of their situations.
No I actually think it makes a lot of sense. Their birthright as royalty is an important factor in their psychology. While they suffered, I don’t think that either of them would be prone to react in a way that aligns with the frenzy flame. At heart, both of them seek to reclaim their place as royalty. Morgott is the king of Leyndell, while Mogh is the king of Moghwynn. The utter destruction of the world is directly counter their goals, as they both seek domination.
To me, the followers of the frenzy flame are more so people with nothing to gain or lose. They do not seek power; rather they seek finality. M&M, due to their goals, would not fall into this group. I think it was probably fairly easy for both of them to resist the Three Fingers, then.
I wish there was a Morgott covenant to hunt down Tarnished and hinder their journey to Elden Lord. It would have the great ludonarrative harmony of you stopping yourself from getting to the endgame, and embracing the status quo stagnation that Morgott is enforcing.
Awww that is SUCH a good idea, like Blades of the Darkmoon
Well, I was born in a smoughtown
And I live in a smoughtown
Probably die in a smoughtown
Oh, those small communities
It's my personal belief that Mohg and Morgott were the eldest of Marika's children and were only discarded after the birth of Godwyn. They were probably kept around because they were the only children Marika and Godfrey had and were the main reason the omen were considered divine, even after the Crucible was no more.
Excellent. Morgott is definitely on of Fromsoft's best characters so it's nice to see him getting the attention he deserves.
Now, about that video on grafting...
Couldn't agree more! Certainly will do one on Godrick and Grafting!
I hate the Golden Order but I still respect the hell out of Morgott. He steps up when no one else will. I just find it sad that's he's internalized the oppression and abuse he received to the degree he has. He has the stuff that other demigods lack. He's a great leader and if he weren't born an Omen, he would have been rightly respected and revered as much Godfrey and Godwyn. His father, at least acknowledges this fact.
Hell ya just when I got to rewatching your other videos for the 10th time a new one drops. I can’t get enough!
Thats awesome! Thank you so much, hope you enjoy
It’d be pretty neat if the Cursed Blood Pot caused some enemies to also target the opponent struck, not just summons
Maybe if you hit an invader with it all the enemies become hostile to them. Like the Seed of a Giant Tree but harder to pull off
@@SorowFame oh fuck that invaders already get their shit pushed in by ganks, turning the few allies they have against them would just be cancer.
@@TheBigR02 you try hitting someone who can roll with a pot. Besides, if you’re using the enemies you may be a smart invader but you’re also the most annoying type of invader so I don’t have much sympathy.
@@SorowFame if it works like the albinauric pot for example I think it could have ghost hits even if you roll, also don't appreciate the insult.
@@TheBigR02 I didn’t insult you, I could have called you a weak coward who needs to rely on bullshit to win. I didn’t because I don’t believe you are, using the enemies to help is a tactic like any other and invasions aren’t really renowned for honourable combat. Personally I believe that either the host or cooperator should step up to fight one on one but that doesn’t always happen so you take what you get, I just don’t really care if someone complains that the tactic wouldn’t work as well because I find it cheap.
However if you use a tactic you don’t get to complain about there being a countermeasure. Not everyone is going to have it prepared and not everyone is going to land it. I wasn’t even aware of the Albinauric pot ghost-hits so it didn’t factor. If you wanted to you could try and bait out the pot throw until the host runs out or something like that, it doesn’t matter point is you have options.
YESSS - I've been eagerly awaiting this. Loving your content, homie.
Thank you my friend, I really hope you enjoy this one too
Morgot is a quality build to me. Not sure if lore related but he's got tools based in all; intelligence, faith, strength, dex. Hes got magic, "miracles", big weapons, and mad hops
Representing AGTJake! Once again, another great video. Really appreciate how in depth you and Vaati go as far as sources. Can’t wait til DLC to shine some light on other Elden Ring mysteries.
Awesome content as usual. Would you be willing to do a community q&a at some point? I've accumulated a bunch of random questions over my recent playthroughs that might not fit a larger video but I'd still be very curious to hear your thoughts on. If that's something you and/or the community would be interested in at all. Regardless, eager for whatever you make next. Kudos and keep up the great work.
Thanks Jonathan - would 100% be interested in that in future, to tie up some lore loose ends and reflect on how my ideas have changed!
I wish I had the artistic skills or commission money to create what I’m imagining, but just picture the Crucible Era, with Horax Loux and his huge Bronze tree axe leading Morgot and a pre-blood crazed Mohg and the 16 crucible knights. What a terrifying thing to meet on a battlefield.
8:06 couldn't he have just visited his sons in the sewers?
A great shout
I've been following you since your video about the Godskins, and right from that moment I knew you were going to be my favorite Elden Ring lore creator. I'm always excited to see a new video of yours come out, so it was great to finally get this one, about one of my favorite characters in-game.
Do you see there being enough content to create a video dedicated to Melina? Since the game released the biggest question on my mind has been who or what exactly she is. I've always thought it too simple, too easy for her to mean Marika when she refers to her mother in the Erdtree, and her other bits of dialogue like about her being "burned and bodiless," or her many references to Destined Death, keep me wondering what it all means. I know you briefly touched on her in your video about the Night of the Black Knives, but that really just left me wanting more.
Thank you for all the content you've made so far! I can't wait to keep getting more from you
very nice video, Morgott and Mohg are my favourite characters :3
Same! Such awesome characters
Radahn's throne is not hilariously massive, so I think your original idea of "he wasn't always hilariously large" is pretty spot on
1:10:10 Golden Magic might have something to do with the ability of the Erdtree to keep remembrances. If the Erdtree remembers it, it can be summoned. From weapons to people.
As for the shackles, they might reflect the main role and power of the Erdtree: enforcing Order.
I was just looking for something to put on. Perfect timing. Love your videos!!!!! I have watched them all multiple times!
Really appreciate the multiple watches - genuinely humbling. Hope you enjoy
Nicely done again Geoff, Morgott is a very good character, not only a perfect boss as margit but with a cool lore as well.
But something that bothers me is that he forgave and work with the order and the ppl that locked him in the sewers and despise the omens, this situation in my point of view is like, someone hit someone in the face and the one who got hit thanks it for that ( sorry if it is confusing).
If im wrong then you or anyone who read this, plz, correct me i have a open mind for change.
You are right, in Morgott's case it's like he accepted the view of the order that abused him
His lore runs so deep. I was honestly impressed when I began to piece his story together. He is indeed deserving of his title as the last, true king of Lyndell. Great lore dive Geoff, as always!
Radagon’s the worst stepdad ever!
22:49 Imagine you trying to sleep with horn sprouting out of body. Must be a horrible fight to get a good position. But, when you finally can fall asleep, you have nightmares. This is very dark.
Very interesting as always! 👍🏻
I always thought Mogh and Morgott lived at the outside world as kids (this is where Morgott came to love the earth tree) and after Marika drove Godfrey away the Omens were locked into the severs. I can't imagine Godfrey had a hand in that. And if he was still there I believe he was against it.
About Godfrey golden protection: I never thought about Morgott summoning him even though the connection was obvious.... I thought it's more like Godfrey sensed Morgott's in danger and summoned a part of himself there to fight us because he was away at that time. (Assuming he can do the same magic as Morgott)
I never used the Omen Blood pot so I had no idea of that. Also a further connection to the wraiths and the Omens is that there's also a wraith caller deep down in the severs. I believe it was put there as a sort of connection to the Omen.
Minor thought on the Golden Counsel. Particularly, Ranni. Wouldn't she have cast off her body by then, as her and Godwyn were the catalyst to Marika shattering the ring?
My thoughts exactly. Seems pretty clear the thrones and “sovereign alliance” are being erroneously conflates here.
Maybe she used a projection of her true body there or just sent Blaidd doing the contract. I don't really think they gathered all there by person.
Thanks for the great video. It's also great that you're referring to the original text. You're probably the best author by lore in YT at the moment!
Too kind my friend. Thank you so much, I love this character and glad you enjoyed!
You’ve become by far my favorite Elden ring content creator. Hopefully DLC is announced soon!
That's amazing to hear, thank you so much. I hope so too!
If the sovereign alliance was formed after the shattering, then Ranni would’ve had to have shown herself after taking the form of the snowy witch, right? Maybe there was just a seat there for her, but I always assumed she was MIA ever since the night of black knives
Excellent excellent, can't wait to listen to this
Hope you enjoy my friend
@@SmoughTown I'm sure I will! I'll let you know what I think probably tomorrow as I'll save it for my commute
@@tristank8076 Yeh please do! Looking forward to your thoughts
@@SmoughTown here goes my 2nd attempt on thoughts.
I absolutely love this video and Morgott is my favorite demigod to talk about. And the omens in general. My ideas stem from this video, the omen video and the deathrite/ghostflame video and another one I forget the name of
I suspect that in the time of the crucible when omen died their soul, was just guided back to the crucible to be melted down and reused. But under the golden order of the Erd Tree and no longer have a way of being unmade and since they are cut off from the Erd Tree they latch on to thier Kin. I think the reason why the omen are attacked by the wraiths is simply because omthier blood is essential a part of crucible the wraiths see the omen like other souls would see the ghostflames of the death birds or Rosa's guiding light. But due to thier nature as wraiths (due to being cut off from prevailing cycle) they can only rage against the only thing they see. I suspect they are closer to rancor than spirits. As for spirit ashes going crazy, probably due to the blood having power over the spirits in some way causing them to draw upon the negative aspects of thier soul. But because they are a complete non wraith spirit the effect will end once the blood wears off.
I don't think Morgott spent time in the capital, at least not free and clear, as I suspect thst since he saw his father fight in combat enough to recreate his image perhaps they where conciveced and raised during the campaign that Markia and Godfrey (which as I understand things was still in his "chieftain Warrior beast mode" and gave up sarosh after conquering the faints and becoming lord) led to conquer the lands between ending with the fire giants.
I surmise that the capital as a whole knew about the twins being born, but never met them, and if and when they came back to the captial they where kept hidden and the shackles made to prevent them from escaping and as the crucible became more reviled they where eventually locked into the sewers with the rest of the omen. Which is how later when Morgott returns as the vield monarch the people of Lyndell accept him.
I also think it's interesting that the "fell omen" and the "fell God" are both known as this because history has been written through the eyes of the golden order, my theory is that the God of the fire giants is the God thst ruled during the crucible along side placiduax and fled to the "flame of ruin" (which i believe is the remaining bottom part of the crucible, as the flame aspect was clearly seperated from it when the Erd Tree emerged)
As for the rest of the video, my word I think your absolutely right about radagan manipulating Morgott and Gideon
I think there was more but that's what I remember!
When speaking of the Night's Cavalry, I noticed that much of the same language and themes are used in an older game: Armored Core: Verdict Day. There is a 'Reaper Squad' that the player fights in several instances, and as with the Cavalry, their literal translation is 'Death God Unit'. They too hunt down champions and heroes to prevent the crumbling world order from changing, although in this case the motives and forces behind them are much more malicious.
Just wanted to point out a revisited idea, something we know From does often but maybe slipped some people by.
Sweet. Easily my favorite shardbearer behind Rykard.
Still holding out hopes you'll make a video so I can finally know what the deal is with that one turtle that is a pastor.
48:50 FINALLY. Ive been saying this for actual months, and this is the first time I've gotten someone major to back me up. Thank god.
No one knows besides you, the sculptor, Corhyn, and Goldmask. Gideon doesn't know shit.
Exactly and it makes zero sense when you consider Hewg and his purpose
Thank you for the effort you put into these videos friend, I love listening to them while I play the game!
My pleasure, thank you so much for your support
Been waitin for this one bruh, RIP the Last of All Kings🥹
Now this is what I need to make it through the rest of the work day.
Hope work goes well!