BUDGET Suspension Review | Bilstein + H&R
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If you are looking for a low cost, high impact modification for your car, look no further than a set of performance struts, shocks, and springs. This is without a doubt the best modification I have made to my car to-date. Prior to upgrading to the Bilstein kit, I drove on lowering springs for a year and the ride felt sloppy. It felt like something was missing. In this comprehensive review, you’ll learn why having the proper shocks and struts for your car is so important!
HUGE thank you to Katie for filming, my dad for driving the chase car, and my friends at FCP Euro.
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MY SUSPENSION
▶Bilstein B8 Performance shocks and struts
▶H&R Sport Lowering Springs
MY WHEELS & TIRES
▶VMR Wheels V801 (frozen bronze powder coat)
Front: 19x8.5 ET35
Rear: 19x9.5 ET35
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Front: 235/35/19
Rear: 265/30/19
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Coming from the passenger in the car, the ride is bumpy. 😂
Great job as always babe! Proud of you. (:
It’s not that bad 😂
Its a matter of tune the right tyre pressure. In my Alfa ive used to Run @2.5 Bar for all the wheels, with B12 kit i run @2.4 which is pretty firm but its very planted, not bumpy at all.
I'm gonna take your man! I just need him for a few days tho! Need some assistance with my upgrades!!!
There's a guy who can make it both more comfortable than stock and perform better than stock... www.fatcatmotorsports.com/
Y not get the coilovers for 800
Even in the rain that thing looks clean, this bmw body style never ages.
Thanks! I love it
@@justinbuice Hey I bought Bilstein shocks kit and the hr springs, I have an x drive do I need to replace the front and rear mounts? I have 68k miles. Thanks!
@@anthonypipia6990 I would!
Bro I don’t have a BMW but I appreciate these vids so much your humility and attitude just won yourself a subscriber 🙏🏻 thank you
best videos on my tube. love your work Justin. It's so pure. clean energy. You're not trying too hard. keep at it man.
Thank you!
Damn those wheels look good.
Thank you!
Love your videos! Suspension is my next upgrade. I am also looking at front control arms. The bushings are starting to clunk. Got 194k miles and still going strong.
Dude you have the best BMW Channel on TH-cam. Keep up the good work
Thank you!
Bmwfanatics is by far the best for 335i owners
Those shots that show the wheel spacing and fitment were exceptionally done!
Thank you!
I agree suspension is a great modification! My favorite as well!
I like that you have mentioned the value in overhauling suspension. It is often forgotten that people seeking to upgrade suspension are starting from a quite low point with a used car full of worn components. Useful budget upgrades then start with the super low cost option of Sachs dampers and stock bushes. Moving up the scale from there, something like Bilstein B4 or B6 dampers, BMW stock motorsport springs and improved bushes. Improvements, including bushes and ball-joints, can often be found in the BMW stock parts list. Sites like realoem, though not including full spring info, include info about bushes and other components used on motorsport variants, larger engined models and the M models. Careful part-bin mods based on this info can be really effective. After all, you bought a BMW because the chassis is good in the first place, didn't you! Top tip: like any rear-wheel drive car with strut suspension on the front they benefit greatly from an increase in front spring rate. This reduces roll and improves front camber, improving stability under braking and grip overall including allowing greater rear compliance and therefore traction. If you go really hard the ride will get a bit choppy but the benefits come way before that point.
I think we're going to go with the B8 Bilstein model after viewing this video. Your car looks great! We hope that you're enjoying your upgrade!
Love the videos, keep em coming!!!!
Thank you!
at least you are honest man!! love it.
Best set up i seen that look comfortable to drive with
Just what I was looking for, thanks!
Great video.. I have the B8's on my 2009 Cayman with Cayman R Porsche springs (-20mm) .. The ride is as firm as you'd want on UK roads. Rough roads are jittery but smooth roads are very comfortable. Oh and the B8's for my car came with internal bump stops. Handling performance is certainly better. I replaced top mounts front and rear but my 38,000 mile units look like they are in perfect condition.
I don't even have a BMW and I love this channel!
keep saving
Finaly a good video!!!
I have Bilstein b6 with standard m-sport springs and I'm very happy with them. Gives the car oem look but still not too high and also gives alot of road feedback
Did you sacrifice any comfortability?
On pretty much any older car, replacing the struts/shocks along with a bunch of control arms and mounts is pretty much the first 'mod' to do, before spending on engine and brakes upgrade. Just b sure to use quality parts (be it from Fcp or other site) because there is a plethora of biodegradable cheap brands these days sold by all reputable online stores - they sell the junk parts along with the quality and OEM brands, so it's kind of confusing for the new comer. Great video by the way!
I have Bilstein B8s and Eibach springs on my E34 525i and I'm super happy with them.
Is the b8s for a daily driver
@@Tunehead99 yes, definitely.
@@mowglilp thank u
Hi Justin, I know you’ve moved on from this ride but I just bought a 2008 328xi, stick, 57k and I appreciate the info. I’m a new subie as well. Hope to do a lot more to make my ride better. Good luck with your channel
Wish we had one of those touchless DIY car washes around this end of my state. Nothing but big rollers full of sand at the car washes here!
I replaced my stocks alfa romeo mito with a b6, combined with eibach springs. They are stiff as hell. The car doesn't seem very low thou. On my channel I uploaded the video of the installation. Thank for sharing bro.
Love your vids man.... clear and objective. Have a 2018 F30 xi. Would love to lower it but have mixed feelings about which springs to get and if that’s all I should get. Some say get H&R, some say eibach and you now Bilstein. And some say you’d have replace struts and shocks too. I also don’t want it to be too stiff and too low as I plan on getting a front lip. Advice?
Just a fair warning to most of you looking at this setup. H&R springs have a terrible rep on forums, regardless of how much good you hear from them. Get yourself a set of these B8 Bilsteins or Koni Yellows and pair them with some Eibach springs. Eibach makes a much more superior spring with comfort in mind. H&Rs are horrible with comfort especially when paired with the B8's that have a lower travel at the front
Really? I thought H&R springs are super good and i heard Eibach using 3rd party to do their springs
Have you had real exp on it?
what are you talking about? They have tons of good reviews on forums.
You are right, but in the opposite direction. Eibach are not as good as h&r
for those on the mega budget, catuned/modbargains and a few other sites sell a solowerks s1 coilover for rwd/awd e9x models. around $500-600.
Nice video man. Nice setup too Im thinking of getting Koni FSDs with eibach pro springs not sure yet. Also regarding engine mods why dont u get a tune. Mine makes daily driving a lot more fun.
B8's and Swift Spec R springs ...... lowers the car less than an inch, this is good, lowering anymore is for looks unless you're going to start changing everything out under there to fix the geometry change. BUT I drive a ST, Im an animal
I'm checking B4 and H&R for my 08 xDrive
love how the first part of the video is how he washes and cleans the car then it rains
Typical Michigan weather
Justin, hello! Could you answer some questions?
1. Did you have a standard suspension (not M) before installation on your e90 xdrive?
2. Could you take an part numbers of h&r springs and b8 shock absorbers you installed?
3. what the drop was on front and rear after you installed it?
Great video! Did you have to transfer any rubber parts or any parts from the front struts to the new one? I have a honda on hr springs and ill be switching out the shocks/strut too with aftermarket ones but the aftermarket ones dont have anything on them except the struts and shock itself. Looking at forums they said id have to transfer some oem parts like bushings, dust covers, top hats etc...
Hello mate, while we're on the subject of tyres, is it possible to make a video about the wheel alignment and wheel balancing, and if it can be done (or at least checked) at home?
You should consider getting the genuine m performance exhaust! If you are into that of course, personally that would be hella dope
I will look into it. Do you know if there is a big performance gain besides sound?
Justin Buice I know for the 325i it’s only about 5+ increase, I’m not sure about the 330i
I want to do this for my e46, hopefully they got the same ones.
They should, this same setup was on my e36 when I bought it.
Install a sprint booster for more response on the throttle 😉
I did the same set up with my car, but find the front pretty harsh over bumps. Also, when I push down on the front of the car, either side, there is virtually ZERO suspension travel at all, maybe 1/8th of an inch at best.
Approximate factory ride height for an e90 XI/Xdrive is as follows measuring from fender lip to bottom of wheel rim for 19”
Fr: 625mm (24.60”)
Rr:605mm (23.82”)
Please measure your ride height with your Bilstein/H&R setup.
It will give all of us an idea of the drop.
Cheers,
Can you do a video on tires and tire brands
Yo, thanks for the the video, good information! Do you think this same combination (with correct length for my car) would be good on a daily driver 1992 Honda Civic Hatchback? I drive lots of curvy mountain roads but also do looooong highway trips, and my current original suspension is toast.
My 08 128i is pushing 120,000 and is gonna need some suspension love sooner than later. What do you think about 1M/M3 control arms front and rear, my stock sport springs, and the bilstein shocks. Trying to do like a budget NA 1M.
What kind of shocks should I get for my BMW 320i I have bad roads where I live . I would like a smooth comfortable ride
Very Nice sir
Doing front struts currently myself. Started as a Strut mount replacment and when i got the mount off I realized how bad the strut was. B6 here with stock springs here.
oooh, let us know what you think of them. Mine are worn out too, so will be changing them out in the future.
Will do guys, just waiting for a nice day to finish the installation. Been 30 degrees the last few days...
So it says b6 on the strut but on my receipt it says b4. I'm sorry guys I was wrong got the b4
I have the same set up on my car and it only drop .5” did your take time to setting?
Any recommendation for an E46 Coupé?
What is the drop rate for the lowering springs you installed front and back???
Hi Justin wonder if you considered dinan springs ! I have 2011 e90 335 and suspension sloppy now wondering if just go with b6 or b8 and springs but can’t make mind up on springs
Looking at running this set up but a set of BC coilovers are like $980ish... that’d probs get rid of the high front end on my xdrive e91. Just not sure what to go with haha
I have the same car as yours and debating if I should get a coilover or lowering springs with upgraded shocks and struts. The coilover is Bilstein B14 performance coilover kit for $814. It's going to be similar $amount if I do the H&R spring with Bilstein B8 shocks/struts. I want to lower my car but at the same time don't want to lose the comfort since it's my daily. Any advice which one would you prefer or the difference between the two?
Sir.,
I have Renault Fluence 2014
What do you think will be best for my car H&R or Eibach howver H&R drop front and rear both are 35mm while Eibach drop front 30mm / rear 25mm
I just came across someone selling b4, are they any good? also my car is e90 M sport, what shock should i run thanks man
What color is that rim, I want to buy the same color for the rim
@justinbuice do you think this color would look as great on a dark grey car?
should get a m sport wheel dude
I have 20" wheels with lo pros will I rub with b14's if I don't now?
just asking is there any other coilovers i don’t know of ? i got a 328xi and it seems like there’s no way out of paying 800 plus on coil overs
Good video bro i have some questions which i hope you can answer.
I have a bmw E93 330i
How do these compare to the bilstien B12 ebach pro kit.
And how do those compare to BC coilovers and more top end Kw street comfort.
Big Holla from England, appreciate the help.
I think change the exhaust or make the color black
Just got some Bilstein B6's for my 335d.!
How does it ride
@@angelpena8121 I'm really satisfied, way better than the stock.
@@TheTantanski did you sacrifice any comfort?
@@TheTantanski also what size tires are you running?
@@angelpena8121 stock wheels, tires are run flats, so they are a little stiff, and the shocks made the ride slightly stiffer I would describe.
Was the height in the beginning of the video stock ride height?
Rear shoch absorver E90 some f30?
Hello Justin, you have a very nice channel. I'm subscribed. I also bought a Bilstein B8 and H&R 29183 spring. Is your car comfortable now?
Very comfortable :)
I am thinking of buying the KONI SPECIAL ADAPTIVE SHOCKS ( version 2 of KONI FSD shocks). I am looking to install them on my bmw e92 m sport, to get more comfort. Ride feels bumpy and harsh at the moment, has anyone tried them to share opinions?
How is the comfort?
How much did the wheels cost?
So the question is: should I run this setup, run coilovers, or just renew my stock sport suspension setup. I have 130k miles on my 2006 330i that still has the original shocks/struts so they are definitely worn out. Any way I go will be a definite improvement.
If you have a little more to spend, I’d go with some nice adjustable coilovers. I believe on the KW V2 you can adjust the ride height snd dampening. Those are around $1,600 for a set
Justin Buice cool. I'll look into those and consider my options. Thanks a lot.
Justin, I'm about to do the same upgrade! Funny, I already bought the same set up and brand. I am really glad to hear the ride is not too stiff. I had done a similar swap on my maxima years ago and found it to be too stiff. I am also replacing the control arms from an M3. It will increase the negative camber a little. I already added a stiffer rear sway bar and found it to rescue the initial understeer. My e90 initially came with "touring" suspension set up so the handling was a bit too "lazy" for me. This should bring it to where I want it. BTW, my stock radio just died. Replacement is hugely expensive. I may just go with an aftermarket unit. any thoughts?
You refer b6 and b8 ..how about b4 sport (m specifications) + eiback pro springs?
The b4 is stock height so I believe it shouldn’t be used with lowering springs. Should go with the b8 if you are lowering springs.
Did your shocks came with dust covers or you bought them separately?
They came with them
Same site has B4 kit for just over $500 for those who are looking to save a few bucks. OE replacements.
The ride still looks a lil rough judging by the camera bumping up n down, but that's what comes w the lowered look. I just put oem's on my e46 m3 n I agree man. It was like a new car...especially on these fucked up Mi roads !! We're changing the nick name from motor city to pot hole city. I've been trying to find roads that don't have any n go out of the way to go up to like 23 mile which is fairly smooth just to avoid the aggravating turmoil. I did see the budget increase in our state to get the roads rebuilt, but you know what that means....fuckin traffic!! All damn summer!!! Better make sure the a/c n coolant is in good standing Bc/ I got a bad feeling it's gonna be a long blistering one sitting in traffic. Why have they not developed a new composite to pathways new roads with that won't deteriorate as quickly yet not ice over in winters...they should have scientists on this shit. Car looks dope lowered though man, hope it's worth the sacrifice of a comfortable ride though. When I pulled my old oem sticks n struts they wouldn't even expand...so believe me, even oem stuff can still make a big diff.
Are you happy you went with the stock setup over lowering springs and sport shocks? or coilovers? I have a e90 330i with the sport suspension and was thinking of just replacing the shocks and struts with oem to keep costs down. I have 130k miles on the originals and i hate the way it rides atm as it is bouncy over some bumps and I can tell it suffers in the turns, but I'm sure its because they are beyond worn out.
This setup is much firmer than stock but I think the low profile tires on the 19’s are what make the ride comfort suffer. I noticed a HUGE difference a couple weeks ago when I switched out my 17” winter wheels with OEM size tires. I probably could have picked some better roads for the video but I was looking for low traffic. They really need to keep working on hall. The area around hayes is perfect now that they repaved but garfield to romeo plank is a disaster.
Justin Buice and the other comment; it's really personal preference, experimentation. The lowered look adds style, but to me, a couple inches isn't worth the sacrifice of a comfortable ride, especially here in pot hole city. But if your still riding in factory shocks n struts at 130k, n replace em w oem you'll notice a huge difference in ride support. And a lot cheaper. I think they recommended shocks n struts every 50-70 miles...mine was at 70 n like I said didn't even expand anymore, so it was like I was driving without suspension support anyway rubber to mount. I forgot the name, but it was same manufacturer that makes em for BMW off the line (obviously term OEM). I order all my stuff from fcp euro so you can return the parts later n just pay for shipping when you replace your next set. Essentially an investment for free parts in future. A lot of factors come into play though. Def type of roads you have n what state you live in. Example Arizona roads are like driving on glass, so lowered suspension will still ride smooth. Something to think about.
N yes, size of rims are a big factor as well. I rock 19's on my m3 both winter n summer set, so it requires playing w tire pressure to achieve ride comfort as welll. I have heard 17 n 18's ride a lot smoother though, but to me I'd rather see a larger rim than a lowered car to try n fill the space under wheel well. But then again, were talking inches here.
Overall happy with this setup? Will be running the exact same set up soon! Thanks
Yeah I love it! The ride isn’t too harsh
Justin Buice alright sweet ! Can’t wait to be running this setup
Where can you get the Bilsteins serviced or re-build after few yrs? thanks.
You don't need to - fcp offers a lifetime warranty - just buy a new part, send the broken one back, and you get a refund.
Try H&R anti roll bars too.
oOF, I'd get from a BMW specialist or something ... for my volvo I only use IPD/viva performance/etc for suspension parts like that ... their lowering springs are nothing to write home about, I wouldn't test it with their anti-sway bars
-3 or -5 ?
I wish I had the patience to do the work myself. >_
is this available in uae
I have a question I just bought a bmw 325i 2006 I have question I'm going to order it set on high way miles over 200xx it's all stock I wanna upgrade all what do I get in all
Get St coilovers or vogtland coilovers. Only if you dont want to slam and be riding on bump stops.
Do you have to deal with a lot of bottoming out and scraping ?
It’s high enough that it doesnt scrape other than occasionally going up a steep driveway. Just have to go at an angle and take it slow
That set up is better then coilovers at $1000 bucks
Or get BC coilovers with fully adjustable suspension for that price.
How come most people in the states drive cars with the "se" body? In the uk most drive the m sport body style. Is it hard to get hold of the m sport kits over the there?
The m sport body is less common here which makes it expensive to do the conversion. Im looking into getting just the front bumper and it will be around $800
Justin Buice wow thats expensive, iv been to the states and i saw alot of non sport cars just couldn't understand that. M sport front bumper here on a pre lci can be brought for less than £100 used. Thats just the bumper, no grills or fog lights. On a lci car probably £150.
Koni or Bilstein with stock springs?
Bilstein was recommended to me by FCP Euro as their choice for BMW’s
👍🏽
B8’s & H&R Springs are considered a budget upgrade??
There’s so much I must not know then…
H&R springs on stock shocks, Now that The shocks are hingher But compresed, When i hit a Hole in The road it booooms :))
How is the B8 on bumpy or roads with holes ?
Does it ever annoy you ?
It's buch better with the aftermarket shocks. The ride is more firm , but the car doesnt bounce like it did on the stock ones
Justin Buice
IF you hit a hole does it feel worse than before ?
The initial impact feels the same, but the rebound feels better with the new shocks
Justin
Well... I’m gonna buy them and that it :)
Thank you very very much !!!
how much does it cost you with reparation for a year? im in the process of buying a black 2006 223i for 5000$ at 144 000km it looks in really good shape im just waiting for the inspection i live i Qc Canada btw thanks!
ahh yea its an automatic..
Hey guys I have a bmw 06 325i and the driver side passenger side window trim is starting to come off can anyone help me find a new part
Nhu Nguyen eBay/Amazon.
www.getbmwparts.com/search?search_str=Window+trim
Been using this site since I got my 2006 325i last year and the parts are legit oem. Hope that helps
What exhaust is that?
It’s stock
I have a BMW 5 series with special spark plugs😩😩😩
What jacket is that?
It's a Superdry jacket amzn.to/2GLWxCO
Could you install front bumper splitters and make a video? Don’t if you don’t want to:p
Im looking into getting an M sport bumper this spring :)
Ahh, nice:)
Yea u need coilovers.
Did you have any issues with the aligment
Yes you will require an alignment
Really Happenings what do you will cause my rear passager side to be lower the driver i have the same set up as you have here
$1000 is not “budget”.
However it is affordable...
It definitely is a great upgrade.
1000 bucks for a suspension refresh on a bmw IS budget.
@@hungrymynd5673 Or any car really...don't know many shops that will replace all 4 shocks/struts and springs for under even 750 for any car...
@@MrKushinator420 The $1000 doesn't include installation...so not sure I get your point
Bimmer budget is pricey.
I got Eibach Pro Kit and Bilstein B8 for my e46 ... ist costs around 600€
Where’s your front license plate ?
I live in Michigan, we don’t use front plates here
Justin Buice ahh lucky
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