Can A 1987 Amiga 500 Do Email Today? World First!
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🍟 ON TODAY'S MENU: Have you ever wondered if your A500 could go online via modern broadband or Wi-Fi and be your main email mailbox machine? I have. There are many challenges, not least connecting to broadband/cable internet on a device designed only to dial up, and modern encryption on an 80s device. Can it be done?!… By Wi-Fi!?...
🕹 I have tested this without the accelerator and extra RAM. Try it! The accelerator doesn’t ‘enable’ anything, it only affects the speed and image, neither of which enable email. I use the HDMI hi-res because it doesn't flicker like the lo-res. Plain text email doesn't eat RAM either way.
🕹️ An unaccelerated 512KB machine behaves as shown, just slower which makes for a lonnng video. (E.g. that image takes about 5 minutes to load, but load it does!) The thing that potentially gives the A500 the internet ability is the magical combination of Plipbox s/w, AVR-NET-IO, & the Network Boot Disk configurator, not the Vampire card.
🕹 I hope you enjoy this little journey as much as I did, although it took actually weeks of research and troubleshooting to find the perfect combination of network disk, TCP/IP software, ISP, and email program that could all work on an A500. Research rules! The Plipbox software/docs also needed some correcting which I worked with the developer to implement on his site. This is the result.
🕹 Also, although I have an A500 “Plus” case, the machine is actually an original A500 inside. Because I upgraded the chip RAM to a whopping 1MB (!), I fancied a suitable case upgrade to match. This was something I did when I was 17.
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Hat off to a true nerd, Sir.. I wouldn't have even the patience today for that. Maybe I'm getting a bit old. I still remember how easy it was to connect to the net back in 1994 with my Amiga. SLIP over the modem connection and done. Fire Mosaic and the world was mine.
Email hasn't been so interesting in well over a decade.
And for all that time Yahoo has been pissing us off with unnecessary fiddling with their interface, when something as simple as this is all we really want, and would still work just fine. I used Pine on a VT220 text terminal for email at university ... still read the inbox contents and composed outgoing messages without any issue, the only problem with it was needing to move to a PC to send/receive attachments. Which it looks like the Amiga can still do... so why overcomplicate things? Telephones still do their job after 120 years, don't they?
But it is usefull
I had no idea your channel existed until TH-cam suggested this video to me, and not long after I started watching, I hit the subscribe button. Great work my friend, love seeing people still using their Amigas!
Thank you so much! And thanks to TH-cam I guess 😊👍🕹️ Viva Amiga!
Nice job!
I remember how thrilled I was in 1991 to get an email reply from Douglas Adams on my A500.
Wow!
Dear Perifractic, I finally made it, I am sending email from my A500 thanks to your video. Sent you one! Greetings
Dan
That was great fun. And my coco pops got their milk. Good work
Phew! I was worried! You enjoy your bedtime snack now! 🤔😂
So cool 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱🤗😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱
Thank you so much! That means a lot to me. 👍🕹️
My PET got it’s electrons
Ahhhh So chocolatey it even turns the milk brown.
It always amazes me, how over the last 20 years this old machines could be adapted to more modern periphery and such. My trusty old A2000, for instance, has even functioning USB-ports. Using thumbdrives is as easy as on a PC. The main issue for Amigas is the lack of newly developed software, which adapts them to newer standards. And this is even more evident, since this amazing Vampire cards came out.
Incredible isn't it. It almost seems impossible, yet here we are! 👍🕹️
Networking on an A1200 is very simple though (and thank all that's good and wholesome for that).
Fantastic! Well done. An Amiga 500 got me through my degree in the early '90s. Wish I still had it!
I've just dug out my a500+ that my parents bought for me and my brothers new for Christmas 1991. Definitely going to give this a go, thankyou 😎😎
Awesome. Never had an Amiga, but want one so hard.... It's incredible what you do here.
Thank you! 👍🕹️
there's just something about...how "warm" you are when you do this stuff. Nice work getting mail to work on the old MIggy.
I guess I just really love the nostalgia and bringing it into today 👍🕹️❤️
Thanks for watching! 🕹 What did you think? Have you got a modern technology working on a vintage computer?
I have tested this without the accelerator and extra RAM. Try it! The accelerator doesn’t ‘enable’ anything, it only affects the speed and image, neither of which enable email. I use the HDMI hi-res because it doesn't flicker like the lo-res. Plain text email doesn't eat RAM either way.
An unaccelerated 512KB machine behaves as shown, just slower which makes for a lonnng video. (E.g. that image takes about 5 minutes to load, but load it does!) The thing that potentially gives the A500 the internet ability is the magical combination of Plipbox s/w, AVR-NET-IO, & the Network Boot Disk configurator, not the Vampire card.
Thanks!
Your friend in retro, Chris aka ԹҽɾíƒɾɑϲԵíϲ
I have yet to get any of my old stuff in a usable state (never mind a modern tech!), in both the hardware side of things, and the "having place to put it once it's working again". Hoping to get a Tapuino built soon, my STfm reassembled and chugging midi out all over the place, my A500+ has seen better days - the latter I need to get up and running soon as I have something special (for me, nobody else will be really bothered) that I'm trying to pull together using good old snail mail.
Been subbed a little while, only just getting through the backlogs of peeps vids as I'm subbed to many peeps, a fair few mentioned in this vid and one that is willing to help with my little "special to me" project.
I enjoyed this vid, and have been enjoying your recent content too. Have a great day Perifractic :)
Thank you so much! That means a lot to me. 👍🕹️
You're welcome. The last bit about the retro peeps being awesome is almost becoming cliché these days, but, it's bloody true, isn't it?
Thanks for eloquently explaining the distinction 👍🎮
6:15 That wedge shaped case is still a beautyful example of computer design! Loving the A500 !
It is the best-looking computer ever
Agreed! Funny I just wrote the same thing in an article for A-Mag today!
Sent here from the 8 Bit Guy’s recent video. Love what I’ve seen so far. Subscribed and catching up on your videos now. 😊
Thank you! Welcome to the channel! 👍🕹️🍻
I got my Amiga 600 in 1992, but had it only for a month or two, than I switched to PC. I don't regret it since repairing PCs became a profession to me, but watching this video I do wish I had it for a bit longer... Thanks for the great content, I also came from the 8bit guy and subscribed immediately. Looking forward for more... Cheers
Thank you so much! That means a lot to me. 👍🕹️
I thoroughly enjoyed watching this. I have to get one of those accelerator cards for my 500+. Your channel is amazing! 👊🏼
Thank you so much! That means a lot to me. 👍🕹️
This is a brilliant project! Thanks for including me. It was fun to see the emails (especially the replies) rolling in. I used to use YAM on my A1200 for quite some time -- it was quite solid -- and that's where I remember the markdown text formatting codes from. Great work! That was a blast! Do you sell your t-shirts?
Thanks for being involved! How cool that you actually used YAM back in the day! The plipbox is so clever, and adds the necessary to the A500. As for T-Shirts, that was a joke but if I get any more demand I'll have to get some in stock, maybe as a Patreon reward. Thanks again!
Oh, duh me. I heard t-shirts and perked up like a dog seeing a squirrel.
love the video it was awesome, great to see our old favourites still going strong.
I like your relaxed style. And the pooches, and the missus.
You Sir are the Retro-BOSS! This video was mesmerizing I felt like I was part of HISTORY! Just found you tonight - suggested by YT ...watched and subscribed!
Thank you so much! That means a lot to me. 👍🕹️
This was an amazing project! Love your channel so much!
Thank you for your kind words! Means a lot 👍🕹️
Cool stuff. I always enjoy seeing old hardware preforming modern tasks. :D
Oh me too. Incredible isn't it, and it's sort of like our childhoods are still current and valid 😊
This was very interesting to watch. Sharing it on the Maltese Amiga Facebook group. :) Subbed
Well done! I used YAM a lot back in the 90s on my A1200 :) Using Miami as dialer :)
always it is great convining new and old tech, great video.
Amazing!, I want to try that on my amiga now as well! Can't wait for more videos like this.
Johan Nahoj Thanks! Check out my other videos 😁
These videos are great! They certainly make me like older computers even more!
That warms my retro heart. Thank you! 👍🕹️
I hope you get an urge to do that again someday, would love to see more of that!
Amiga 500 communicating with a modern desktop PC. How frigging cool is that!
Pretty frigging cool?
Great work, well done!
It's so f**?? amazing. A500 doing emails! I love it! Great work and thanks so much for that! :-)
You're welcome! Thank you for commenting! 👍🕹️
"Hi, Its Jan Beta" - that cracked me up.
At 2:00 Hi I'm Jan Beta... well no, not really... lol
Ok. This is absolutely great. My dream would be to live with 80s tech only (and a lifebook s from 2005 for flashes and such) but still beeing able to live properly in society. Using discord, checking emails, playing games. I started with a C64 but got myself an amiga 500 to be able to use these programs
Well done , loved watching:)
This is wonderful ! I love it ! Thank you for this wonderful video !
Means a lot! You're welcome!
"You've got MigaMail!" Lol. Fantastic Work!! Congrats!!
This was fantastic fun! Congrats on your success
Thanks! 👍🕹️
Seeing this makes me feel awful for giving away my A500 Plus when I went to Uni. I loved that machine - had a 600meg HD and the VidiAmiga genlock attached. It did things that my P200 PC could only dream of. As you say... *those lines*...
This wasn't my original either. As you did, I gave mine away. Big mistake. Huge. Those lines... 🕹️👍
Great job!! Great video!! :)
Subb'ed. I've watched quite a few of your videos because TH-cam suggested them, and I kinda like them. This one sealed it tho.
Thank you so much! That means a lot to me. 👍🕹️
That was awesome! I remember wanting an Amiga 500 back in the day, but couldn't afford one. I did have several computers over the years back then, and I really wish I'd held onto them!! I had a TRS-80 Model 1 (bought later, I'm only 46), a CoCo2 with all the goodies, a Model 4 etc etc. I love those old machines -- Now if you could get an old Model 4 to do modern email..... :-P
Great job though - loving these vids! I'm a new subscriber & found you via 8-Bit Guy / Apple PIIe collab video :-)
Thank you for sharing and welcome to the channel! 👍🕹️
i loved playing colonel's bequest, poice and space quest on here
Awesome you are a master of the Amiga OS ! It was very interesting :-))))
That was fun to watch. Now I want to see if I can get my amiga 600 to work.
Thank you. Good luck!
Great Stuff! What a cool vid, made my day seeing that. Keep it up.
Thanks so much! I hope to 👍🕹️
...my heart was racing too and I am here 3yrs later in Jan 2021
You got a new subscriber. And the only thing you had to do for that was making an Amiga sending an email. Well done, mate. 👍🏼😊
Easy! 😉
What I'd like to see is a retro computer making a phone call using Voice over IP. In the mid 90s there was an app that was sold called Internet Phone that let you talk to others across the internet using your 56K modem. It didn't sound great, but you could do it. I'd love to see the Amiga succeed or even more far fetched, a C64 with a SuperCPU. Cheers!
You, sir, are doing a great work.
I still clearly remember my first computer, a Commodore 64c with a cassette deck. Later I upgraded to 5.25'' floppy drive. The machine broke once and I had to send it to a local service shop to have some ICs replaced. I had a "Yunost" (made in SSSR) black&white 25cm TV set as my monitor. The whole setup was functional from 1991 to 1996 and was given away as a gift. Oh, and the machine was bought used for 230 Deutsche Mark. The whole setup was replaced with an Intel 486DX2 66MHz with a color monitor (also used) and the rest is history.
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Thank you so much! I always regret moving from Amiga to PC but there was little choice when Commodore went bankrupt... Thanks for sharing! 👍🕹️
You are very welcome.
Yes, those ware the days when computing was so much more personal and involved. It would be truly amazing to have a company like Commodore, or even better, the original Commodore itself around today. However, even if It's long gone, our memories and appreciation are here to stay!
Keep up the good work.
I hope to do so! Thank you for your support. Your friend in retro, Chris aka ԹҽɾíƒɾɑϲԵíϲ
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Subscribed! This was brilliant!
Thank you so much! That means a lot! 👍🕹️
you're the dude, dude! I will try this on my A1k ( if my skill are good enough)
I never used YAM, but I used to use my hotmail from either it was AWeb or Voyager on my A1200 daily back in the early 2000s when I had my first appartment. Great video
Being born in 1990 means I've never really met anything older then Windows 95, and I'm really not a computerofile. However engineering is my field and I've recently discover this whole retro-tech movement.
It really is mind boggling to me how a 30-something year old computer can still be compatible with anything seemingly as complex as we have these days. It really seems like an astonishing feat!
Congratulations!
SMTP dates back to 1982 so modern email predates the Amiga.
True but that's only half of email.
6:00 that Amiga is running a ridiculously high-res video output!
Yup. That's the Vampire card + Framemeister. See description 👍🕹️
A few years ago, I found a first edition iMac at a garage sale for $30 (you know; back when Apple thought contemporary computers didn't need fans). I snatched it up immediately, with the express intent to install Linux onto it. The hard drive was better off for it; it was full of late-90's Napster downloads that my girlfriend at the time begged me to back up.
While the entire venture was a complete failure (which, to this day, I'm still building up the courage to fix, since I'm nervous about the prospect of working on a machine connected to a CRT), when installing Linux on a machine like that, you need an Ethernet connection. The machine is using USB 1.0, and while you'll be able to use a router after the fact once Linux is installed, the installation still needs a hard-wired connection.
To bring this all to point, at that time, I was piggy-backing wireless from a neighbor. I didn't have access to an Ethernet connection, let alone one long enough to use for an o/s installation. I had to call in favors just to help me in a venture that would constantly smell like hot plastic. The WiFi to Ethernet device you used was something I wish I had at the time, but for the life of me couldn't find. Everytime I watch this video, I'm marveled at the feat you were able to accomplish, but it still takes me back to this debacle I found myself in.
I created all my early websites on an Amiga (they were awful), used email and irc. Brought back memories.
Awesome video!
Dude, 25 years ago, i connected my amiga 500 over serial to my pc with internet connection sharing enabled, and used an email program with pop3 and smtp. I also used aweb to browse the web.
That's cool. The point here is for the Amiga to connect to broadband via the parallel port without needing a PC.
That Donkey Kong joke was so bad it's good. :)
GOOD WORK! WELL DONE SIR!
I did this about a decade ago, using a serial link connection to a PC routed through to the modem. Stock 68000 but with GVP 4MB ran Voyager and HDD, IBrowse and Yam worked fine albeit slowly. No reason why I couldn't do it today, might just try it. Nice video btw.
New subscriber. Awesome video!! this is way beyond my Amiga technical ability but thoroughly enjoyed watching!
So....after a lot of faffing around, I now have reliable internet working on my A600 via plipbox. All I need to do now is get YAM working and then I'll be joining you in the retro future past of modern e-mailing!
I'll let you know if it works!!
Hope you can help. Do modern email provider settings work in YAM? I tried my Google and yahoo accounts and neither worked. Cheers.
You need to use your local ISP's SMTP server as usually they allow no encryption. This turned out to be key as the A500 can't process modern encryption. For me this is Spectrum aka Time Warner Cable. In the UK it would be Virgin Media or BT etc. Good luck! 👍🕹️
@@RetroRecipes Thanks Christian. I will try both but I have a feeling you have to be subscribed to their service to use one of their e-mail addresses. Hopefully I am wrong. Thanks again. Love the channel!
You should be able to send any email through their SMTP. That's how I'm doing it.
Cool - I remember I connected my Amiga 500 to the internet with a modem back in the day, and was it Mosaic web browser? Anyway, my strongest memory of that is that i deduced that it rendered the whole page in memory as a bitmap, so if the page was very long, I would run out of memory while loading the page.
This was close to the end of my Amiga days, so early 90's... hey wait, that means it must have been the A1200... it's all a blur now.
You is a very cool guy !
I love your videos - the mix of humor and info is great. I really don't think you are the very first person to install YAM on an A500 though...
Thank you! I appreciate your kind words. For the record I haven't said I'm the first person to install YAM on an A500 🤔🕹️
@@RetroRecipes 1:51 on your video "I understand that nobody has yet got modern email working on an Amiga 500 so let's see if I can be the first" - I suppose that threw me off. 😉
Ah yes. By modern email I mean just that. Encryption and other obstacles have come about since the 80s/90s. I could have also said "first person to get Wi-Fi email working via the parallel port on an A500" 😉🕹️
That was so good - well done! beats deleting Bunnings, Amazon and Ebay spam from your inbox. :)
I know I'm late to the game, and I'm ignorant about Amigas, but couldn't you have opened our jpegs in the web browser? That's how I used to view jpegs in Mosaic years ago, before MacOSX.
Edit: Almost forgot to add. I found you thanks to 8-Bit guy and the Apple PIIe Challenge. Immediate subscribe! Looking forward to much more retro goodness. :-)
I think that's how I ultimately achieved it, after some tinkering. Great to have you here 👍🕹️
Thank you so much! That means a lot to me. 👍🕹️
Jpeg is pretty damn demanding on a 68000
While nowadays a $100 smart phone rips through jpeg like it was nothing.
It's fun to try to achieve new things on older machines but the question is, it worth it or is it practical at all?
I really didn't mean to detract any of the fun doing it, but at some point one has to decide what's worth and what's not. Just my 2cents.
Ok so challenge aside, wouldn't it to a lot easier to simply use a web based email such as gmail (no client) and display everything in a browser window? Hmmm
Unfortunately email websites use encryption the A500 can't handle. Luckily SMTP and POP don't! I'm glad you entered into the fun of figuring out solutions though! 👍🕹️
I remember the novelty of getting email on my Commodore64 in 1984... it was BBS based but it was the same thing.
I had both email and web browsing setup on my amiga 3000t in the early 2000’s. Funny part was my TCP/IP Software was shareware so it would cut off every 30 minutes
Enough time to check your emails though 😉🕹️
Btw, great video, glad you made it :)
Thanks that means a lot! 👍🕹️📧
Very helpful!! 👍
I had an Amiga 500 back in the day, however I never even thought of networking it. I got a booklet (which I think was bright yellow, if anyone else remembers it) from Amiga Format in 1993 or so, which said that internet browsing was possible for Amiga 2000s and upwards but said nothing about the 500. I never used the Internet before '96, on university PCs.
Very impressed! Tip o’ the hat to you!
Cheers! 🎩
You made fun of 1987 and it wanted its desk chair back. 😂 Hope you were OK. 😊
I’m just hoping to hear “you’ve got mail!” When he gets it working.
Best video ever. Amiga rulez
I had An Amiga Back in 92. Great old days.
and He scores!!!! The croud goes wild!
Are you Bob Ross of the retro computing? Your voice is extremely calming, i like it.
It's just a happy little accident 🕹️🎨
Well yes... a little ethernet port here, and pig parallel port over there....just a lovely hodge-podge of things to enjoy email on today... he-he
I just watched this video as it popped up in TH-cam recommendations- I had no idea you were an actor. Well, good luck over there in Hollywood. I do community theatre from time to time myself, but that's small stuff in comparison. Incidentally, I don't see the Harry Potter role you did on your filmography on imdb.
Speaking of imdb, I remember the days of downloading the newest data from the internet to view on my A500 before it became a web thing.
Many thanks!
(Potter was very small, just doubling really.)
Good luck with all you do! 👍🕹️
Amazing how you are able to do the imposible with these machines.
Nothing is impossible!
Good Job!
YAM was the first email program I ever used. very cool
In1996 I simply tugged a Datatronics 2400c modem into the serial port of my a500, installed the Miami tcp-stack and off i went.
Just discovered your channel. The email 'experiment on an Amiga 500 was absolutely amazing,not to mention very inspiring (you have a new Subscriber!) Now what do you propose to top that? It'll be a difficult act to follow!
such a greek tragedy. incredible hard to install that device. you're a hero
😇
I have been using my Amiga A600 for 24 years, great machine. Maybe one day I will get the urge to send an email on it.
It's very therapeutic to do email away from all the other emails of normal life. I use it just for emails of a retro nature!
Yes, I do get that.
I remember using YAM back in the day starting with my old A500 with only a Supra Turbo 28, and an ICD Trifecta 500LX. I had the DKB MiniMega Chip and the Super Denise so it had the ECS Chipset. It was a fun program but yeah, forget any HTML emails.
I never used it until this project! Nice! You're one of the pioneers 😉👍🕹️
When I got my first job, one of the things I bought that year was as Amiga 500. I still have it.
It appears 'modern E-Mail' means an Ethernet connection, SLIP and PSLIP have been around longer...
My mate e-mail'd from his A500 & A4000 back in the mid 90's...
We were delighted when we got our hands on a 14,400 MODEM.
He also used his 500 as a serial terminal to other computers, local and distant.
Through Wi-Fi via the parallel port?! There's no dial up any more, that's why what I did was different and new...
kid sitting in front of a computer turning and giving a thumps up while shaking his head and making duck face.
28:10 should have used the AOL "you've got mail! " audio clip there 😁
That USB connection happy noise bugs me. Always sounds like "talk to the hand!"
Cool presentation, thank you!
I just got an a500. I should build myself a plipbox and send you an email from another A500, unexpanded one. :P
Brilliant idea! The email is still live... 👍🕹️
That was amazing! I really like the idea of being able to directly download files to my amiga
as far as i know - the Amiga 500 plus was first released in ´91 and discontinued about a year after.. there were sold Amiga 500 Plus mainboard as an Amiga 500 due to surplus of Rev 8a mainboards.. :)
had I known this channel existed I would've sent you an email from my LC475
You still can!
I dig the old school browser! Very Netscape!
I remember being 6 in 1994 and being amazed at the internet on windows 3.1, then easy email access thru hotmail or yahoo when we got win95. Always wanted to get my grandmothers commodore working again, this makes me want another retro pc.
You can load anything and probably not worry about any viruses or malware.
Too bad there isnt a way to let a tech scammer connect to retro pc, they wouldnt have any idea what to do.
Why did I only discover this channel this week?