Amiga 1500 Trash To Treasure (Pt3) | Classic Power Upgrades
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This Commodore Amiga 1500 has been through a lot with us in the series, repairing the CPU socket, fixing sound issues, managing a live stream like a champion. Now it's time to reward it with some classic Amiga upgrades including the Apollo 2030 Turbo with 68030 CPU and 68882 FPU, a SCSI controller and more. Let's see how far we can push it.
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Retro Show - Timm Richter
Dead Cat - Gavin Luke
Gone & Found - Sum Wave
Infinite Dreamer - Chill Cole
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OK we're back after a quick fix to the video. Thank you for watching and for your continued support at www.patreon.com/RetroManCave - Please check the video description for more links on the items seen in the video. Frontier aside....what games do you recommend on an accelerated Amiga like this? Neil - RMC
F16 falcon and Hired Guns and maybe Virus too and Carrier Command
How about Doom EHB ?
@@TheRodripe That's a Pro Tip if ever I heard one
This 500, might be the equivelat of your 1500 in terms of speed...
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This upgrades portion really makes the whole series. It is just so interesting, fun, and nostalgic hearing your choices and reasons why. Such an excellent channel/series.
I love that you went with mostly upgrade parts from back in the day. Yes modern accelerators are handy and cheaper... but they don't make for as good a video as the OG upgrade parts :)
Those framerates are so smooth after the upgrade, amazing!
Nostalgia hit me hard.... tomorrow when I got time, I will unpack my A1200 and play some games without lootboxes :D
F/A-18 Interceptor really likes an accelerator!
I can hear the "BONG" of the music starting now. I'll put that on the list
Marco Pontello my favorite game!
Your Amiga 1500A series showed up in my Recommend feed, and I have to admit I am super happy that it did!! I absolutely love your content great work!
Good choice with the 68030/50. I have a selection of 68060 powered Amigas, and even a couple of PowerPC expansions, but to have a good selection of period games running at excellent performance, and still maintaining the best compatibility a 030/50 based expansion is probably the best choice. I have a Blizzard1230/IV based A1200 as well, just for this reason. And yeah, the Apollo's SCSI is a bit infamous for being an Apollo SCSI (it's non-DMA for example), so the 2091 is also a great addition. :) All in all, a great Amiga episode!
The 68030 50Mhz seems like perhaps the most popular upgrade. Perhaps best used on an A1200 though as that has the better graphics hardware.
@@Yukatoshi Because the 040 and 060 were stupidly expensive then. An A1200 with the Blizzard 1230 IV/SCSI/FPU and extra memory just made the machine so much better, but the heat caused to the machine from the SCSI made it unstable.
@@Lucretia9000 Oh man, i remember the heat underneath my A1200 with Blizzard Card (68030+68882 50MHz), it was scary hot. :-D
But it never seemed to crash nor unstable.
20:15 And he still puts in on crooked! (hehe it's okay, it's your box. Just funny!)
yes they slap it on at asembly line in indonesia so more authentic that way lol ?
Your eyes are wonky mate lol
20:40 YES drum'n'bass retro gaming!!! I love it so much!!!
EDIT: Yay music credits in the description
Hehe glad you enjoyed it man
SO SWEET. I could actually fall in love with Amiga performance like this!
Quantum Fireball 1,3GB was my first PC's hard disk... The same disk is now in my A1200. That spin up (and spin down) sound is just great. Great build!
Ah such fond memories. I bought an A1500 and later added the SCSI drive, IIRC a massive 20MB but wow was it great to junk floppies. Loved that machine.
The speed increase with the upgrade you placed in the A1500 was quite impressive.
i was gonna say what happened ot the vid, saw the notification on way home from work and couldnt find it when i got home lol. great video!
Finally, someone keeping a hard drive in a retro build.
That's how I like my retro builds - warts and all. My gaming experience wasn't spectacular back then, I couldn't afford expensive gear - few could. I quite like that really
Nice to do the "Go ham with the parts" build but era appropriate with a hard drive? Lovely jubbly
I’m off to watch this properly on the tv upstairs! ... I will no doubt learn something useful about the Amiga!! A new found love!!
take me to your bedroom Howard
RetroManCave done and Elite looks amazing at a decent FPS! ... cracking work!
I just love the initial music of this channel!
Now that's an amiga great vid Neil and some great gameplay ..nice new decal too 😁😁😁 Kim 😁😁😁
Every time I see an arcade button. Which for some reason comes up a lot lately. I say in my head "genuine Sanwa arcade parts" in your lovely speaking voice.
Thanks for the great in depth content. I have learned more about the Amiga than I ever thought was possible.
You are also reading this in my voice now. Hehe thank you I appreciate you watching
It's always nice to wake up to see some more Amiga love!
I had an 030@50 in my A1200 and Elite Frontier was sumptuous on it.
You've given me a real hankering for a big-box Miggy now 😀
Makes me want a big box Amiga more then ever. Nice video!
She is a beast now. What a difference the upgrades make. Long live the Amiga
Another great video. I love seeing younger people getting excited by Amigas. Your choice to use period correct parts is commendable. The current trend in attempting to make "the best" Amiga possible with modern parts is sad. I wish I had what it takes to do what you do as I'd love to show off my own machines. I wish you had an A3000T to do a series on. There is so little online about this great machine and nothing in the way of a good video. My A3000T-040 deserves to be on TH-cam. :)
Thanks for the video. Was really happy seeing you upgrade
Wow just fantastic change, your production quality is really first class :)
Never had one of those. Only the A1000. But, that system made a whole lot of sense in the late 80s / early 90s before the 486 and all of the add-on boards for PCs to do quality video and sounds processing.
Thanks for the great video.
I miss the Quantum drives.
Back in the day, I had an A4000/030 with the stock Seagate and a larger & faster Quantum Fireball.
25 years later, the Seagate was dead, but the Quantum was still going strong.
A-10 Tank Killer right there on the table. That's a blast from the past.
I enjoyed the chill tunes and your soothing voice
Ah memories, I used to read all the amiga magazines and spend a lot of time just dreaming of upgrades like this. I saved my pocket money to buy an amiga 500 , then the A590 with 2MB ram, I was mad about ray tracing and used to wait for sometimes up to a week for an image to render!
Loved this 3 part series. Seriously well done video. Amazing job!
Thank you!
Excellent videos and very informative, thanks. I have just bought an A1500 (to join my A1200's), and it too has both the non-working audio channel and battery leakage!
I'm amazed that with all the hardware level hackery and trickery that Amiga games and whatnot were known for, everything just works fine even with massively more powerful cpu's and ram installed.
Always look forward to a new episode. I really want to get my hands on an Amiga someday.
Don't we all, unfortunately the price is skyrocketing so it might be an Ami-Pi taped underneath a Logitech Wireless Keyboard & Mouse for most people...
Awesome video 😁 love the way you do the comparison shots.
And you have no idea how happy seeing that Amiga Forever ROM being socketed. Is it? Is it? IS IT *foaming at the mouth* IT IS!!!
I’ve really enjoyed watching this episode and the previous instalments. Cheers for the video and keep on gaming 👍
@19:30 complains about the original tilted Commodore sticker, and @20:00 proceeds to put a new sticker...slightly tilted too ! lol
I remember playing Indianapolis 500 on my stock Amiga 2000 back in the day, and dreaming of an accelerator card which cost as much as what I paid for the computer itself, so I never got one. Now I see what I was missing. Thanks for sharing.
You're welclme Alain, thanks for watching
Quite a bad ass machine right there. Amazing to see the FPS differences.
Fun fact about the Police Quest 3 title screen at 20:40. That blue thing on the left is supposed to be a siren, fading out to to black as the right half of the screen turns red, via palette rotation. However, this effect is only properly supported in 256-color modes. The Amiga ports of Sierra's SCI games only used up to 32 colors (if this copy of KQ5 is any indication) so much like when running an SCI1/11 game in 16-color EGA, the palette rotation effects called for by the game scripts were effectively ignored, and the siren in PQ3 and the PQ1 remake was stuck on blue.
You can approximate this on 256-color DOS versions by using the EGA640 video driver, which only redraws the screen revealing that the colors have changed at all when something needs to be drawn, such as when the PQ3 logo or its subtitle are wiped in, or in SQ4 when Roger hurtles through the chronostream and the rainbow effect only works around his hair and sleeve.
That's interesting, because the Amiga is pretty well known for doing palette -based colour cycling effects.
I figure Sierra decided 32 colors would have to do to make their games run on as many different Amiga models they could. Doesn't leave much space for the effects, and the script code is pretty much identical.
I'm serious -- the EGA version of PQ3 and SQ4 *try* to do their palette rotations but the interpreter doesn't let them.
@@Kawa-oneechan actually I think the OCS/ECS Amigas would have been the only models available at the time.
It might actually use just 16 colours to match the ST and EGA.
I may be wrong, but I don't believe they upgraded the Amiga Interpreter to use 32 colours until about KQVI. AGA was available then but suspect they wanted most Amigas to be able to play it.
"Until about KQ6" you say... yet my KQ5 on Amiga is 32 colors. Now, KQ5 is the only game I have an Amiga copy of, but there's always MobyGames' screenshot section. And looking at some random SCI1 games that would otherwise be 256 colors on DOS are all 32 colors on Amiga. So that settles it.
@@Kawa-oneechan I am the first to admit that my memory may be faulty.
I just recall them making a big song and dance about all the upgrades they'd made for kq6, and to be fair that did look really nice
I am running 030-50 in my a500. And I have somewhat the same performance as your 1500. I have gone the modern path with CF card. And scandoubler. My aim is all internal upgrades and with the case closed.
brostenen keep me posted on your progress because I am about to head down the very same path!
One of my fav games ever, Indy 500 and why I got my A1200. which I still have with its blizzard accelerator card.
Great series! Really enjoyed the music to you slick bastard.
why thank you, you smooth talking beast
Epic, epic stuff! Loved it!
You found some really cool parts for that machine.
Wow, what a system! Color me jealous! Great stuff!
Nice video Neil. I did something similar recently with my A1200 and a Blizzard 1230 IV. Makes a big difference to the stock machine as you have found, and keeps compatibility nicely. 👍
Great show as always!
Great fun to watch this episode, especially since recently i have bought an Amiga 2000 which is waiting now on my desk for quite a similar treatment :)
Great job, man. I love stuff like this!
I wonder how fast Indiana Jones the fate of Atlantis would run? I used to get sub 1-2 fps on that game in certain scenes within Egypt with an A500 with 1MB ram, oh and it came on 10+ disks!!
great Amiga episode! u make em ill watch em
Your build is similar to my A2000 machine. I acquired my A2000 a few years back when I travelled to purchase a towered A1200 from a chap in Chepstow. While I was handing over the cash he said...
"You wouldn't be interested in this, would you? She doesn't work, I'm afraid".
Yup! I'll have that! So I handed over even more cash and came back with the A2k and a couple of faulty Commodore monitors. The trouble with the A2k turned out to be a leaked battery of course. It may have been worth mentioning that in your video.
Most retro computer users are aware of these now but people who had a miggy back in the day but never bothered with one since would benefit from the information.
Anyway I managed to get the Motherboard sorted out on the A2k. Now she has a Vampire accelerator and a hard drive card like yours. I've also got myself a network card but haven't had time to set it up yet.
I'd like to get a graphics card next to make workbench use a lot nicer. But I'd prefer a card which can manage the standard AMIGA output as well as the high resolution output so that I don't have to keep swapping cables.
Great vid, I enjoyed that. Really good editing also
Excellent video as always :-)
I really enjoy your selection of background music. I would absolutely watch realtime videos of you turning screws and cleaning keyboards to that soundtrack. :-D
Love the videos as usual, especially this series.
Also you sure are a perfectionist, i didn't see any other problems with the first upload other than that typo.
If it bugs me it will bug others :D I just wish TH-cam had the option to replace videos without changing links
@@RMCRetro so do I, but it would probably result in some nasty things happening where people swap out videos with something entirely different.
Maybe with a short grace period but still, very exploitable.
Watching now.
If it's good I'm going to steal it next week when I'm in the cave...
Why does it seem that everyone has been Neal's cave already? lol
#innuendo
A fellow Liquid DnB fan I see :) Excellent video! Really glad the stars aligned and I got this channel recommended.
Thank you glad you enjoyed it 👍
Nicely chill. I quite like these relaxed trash to treasure/upgrade videos. I would quite like to see the video idea you proposed about which ECS/OCS games benefit the most from an accelerator card.
Man... Quantum Fireball. That takes me back!
Adding memory to the 2091 card improves the data transfer and buffering performance by a lot. The card can DMA to the on board 1 megabyte much faster than motherboard ram. Glad to see it installed.
Great trilogy, Neil.
Wow I wonder how much longer we can expect that hard drive to last...
Thanks for making these Neil. Was always interested in these big box Amigas back then, I had a PC and didn't know anyone with anything other than Amiga 500's and 1200's so never got to see the nuts and bolts of these machines.
They look like great machines, definitely looks like you'll be able to get a standard PC power supply in that strange case too.
You're welcome Mr EggyPickle
Nice video shot, keep it up, thanks for sharing it with us :)
Jeeze, that takes me back, the case that is, the first Amiga I got to play with was a 2500 using Sculptanimate 4D.
Absolutely interested in seeing a video on how to adapt a modern PC power-supply to a retro computer like this one! Please make that video ASAP!
great vid as always! Waiting for the rebuild of the psu:-)
Another excellent video!
It would be great to see Stunt Car Racer and Microprose F1GP running on the beefed up hardware.
Good video again Neil. I'd like to see the Amiga put to work - literally, as I heard it was used back in the day as a workstation for things like graphics and video production. It would be amazing if you could get your hands on a Video Toaster and edit some RMC on the system :)
That would be cool. I know two people with toasters so maybe we can do something one day. I'm not sure I'll be lucky enough to get myself one though they are pretty rare
I have purchased some a1000's as well as a500 over the years, for in my late teens I was an a500 owner. However, I have always wanted an Amiga tower due to the increased expandability that's possible with zorro cards. I also appreciate, but will never purchase a Vampire card as an upgrade, for I rather use the more limited, yet original hardware and chipset of the original Amiga. Like always, fantastic video and amazing restoration.
I would suggest looking at repairing the old power supply with new caps and regulators if possible. While the idea of putting a new power supply in there seems awesome, I have run into problems with the concept. Mainly, PC power supplies today focus on 12v for running graphics cards and such, and 3.3v for CPUs. Some old power supplies I've used, albeit not amiga ones, used like 20-30 amps of 5v, because most everything except the HDD ran off 5v. In my experience you're hard pressed to find a modern PSU with 20amps of 5v. Also, some old PSUs provided -5v and -12v, though I'm not familiar enough with amigas to know if that will be an issue. Best of luck, and be careful man!
It looks like some older supplies like the Seasonic S12II (at least 430W) from 2007 are still available, it is only missing a -5V rail. The only question is if it will work with underused 3.3 and 12V rails, if necessary add some fans and fancy lighting to get it.
Edit: By the way, this is a good resource: www.ianstedman.co.uk/Amiga/amiga_hacks/Amiga_PSU/amiga_psu.html
If you look really carefully you can find some 25 amp ones...
But yeah, modern power supplies tend to have a completely different balance to older ones.
If you've got a 90's PC for instance it may well be using ATX power supplies and even compatible connectors, and may not put much demand on even a 300 watt supply of that era...
But good luck finding a modern supply that can provide the correct voltages in high enough currents to be usable...
@@progandy the S12II series in particular is group regulated. so it's not really recommended to be ran this far out of spec, as voltage regulation may go haywire.
Would an older AT style PSU be a good choice? Back when PC's used more 5V... but of course it'll be an old PSU :) maybe some new old stock around though.
@@lemagreengreenNewEgg carries new AT power supplies still. Looks like they are actually new too.
That Elite 2 opening fanfare...
Ah memories, I used to soend lunchtimes at school on the only amiga 3000. I used to run imagine and render my models made at home on my a500, with an a590 2mb. I was never allowed to run it over night or the weekend to do my animations. They were worried it would over heat! I used to go to sleep working out how I could break in and set my renders in motion. I used to spend hours on the school bus reading amiga format and dreaming of upgrades, like the Supra 28 etc. ah youth.
Nice video and makes me want to get my accelerated A1200 back up and running again. I think one of the caps has gone bad on the M-Tec 030 board that I have. Was considering either sending that off for repair (if I could find anyone willing to work with it) or get an ACA 1233N. Doing a video of games that benefit from an accelerator sounds like a great idea!
great work. thank you for your efforts. one of my top 3 channels on youtube :-)
Thank you Joe that's very kind
A cheap compromise for a more appropriate looking monitor could be an early 4:3 flat screen with the good old beige plastic casing. I've got a Proview CY-465 still sat in the cellar. 1024x768 and D-sub only of course. Going for about a tenner on eBay.
Great vid as always. Got to play with an '030 accelerator for A500 once and still dream of finding one for my secondary A500. I love my "artificial flavorings" Vampired A500 but having a pure one with my GVP SCSI side car with 8 meg RAM and a true 030 board would be the fullfiment of a childhood dream.
I have a lot of respect for the Vampire and hope to get one some day. I backed the Checkmate A1500 case which would be a nice base for one. A modern amiga case with a modern accelerator or even standalone v4
Frontier ran good on my A600HD with upgraded ram and 40MB HDD. The one game which tended to run slooow was Dune 2000 with lots of unit onscreen.
Another gread vid, can't wait to see the power supply upgrade! How about doing a modern power supply upgrade for an Amiga 500/600/1200 power brick too?
I’d love to see some enhanced demo scene stuff running on this, great restoration 👍🏻
Oh man PQ3... loved that game
I cant believe how long i spent playing Frontier on a stock speed A500. And they say kids are impatient! I never thought to even try wing commander.
Great video and nice work
That’s a sweet machine lol wish I had that back when I was growing up
I love these videos. Thanks ☺️
Lovely job. 👍
I let my Amiga 2000 down in 1993, when I wanted to buy a hard drive IDE extension. The PC card was 300 FF while the same board for Amiga 2000 was 2000 FF, more than 6 times more for the same components. So, in 1993, I jumped into the PC train, to never leave... Stupid resellers !
So you got to it in the end. I've always been scared to go into a power supply so I'd like to see someone who knows what they are doing do that.
Brian Parker I’ve got the same interest!
Frontier is most likely my most played game of all time, across my A600 then on the PC, in fact i still play on occasion today.
Awesome, would love to have an NTSC version of this build.
Hi there, I really enjoyed the video, also the background music is excellent.
Two things:
1.- I got a bit lost, why you didn't choose to use the Accelerator SCSI interface to connect the hard drive
2.- From a Technician back in those days, they complain about the A2091 SCSI card, because the weight of the hard drive eventually damages the Zorro Slot pins, so they advice to mount
the drive on the front bays of the case.
Keep doing this Amiga series, really LOVE THEM
Pretty impressive.
Good work :)
Good video.
Always a real treat to see so many models of Amiga, here in Canada it was hard to find NTSC Amiga 500s with anything higher in model being rarer, fewer, and very expensive typically. I see an NTSC model for the 1500 but I don't know who owns them or talks about them, much bigger Amiga scene in the EU. Accelerated game title episode sounds awesome. :D
1500 was only released in England, US never got them. All they were are A2000's with two floppy drives and no HD.
@@tjlazer71 Only really, that's odd, hadn't considered any models not reaching the rest of the EU, interesting.
Great video, really enjoyed it :) Stunt car racer and hard drivin perhaps?
I would definitely love to see some PAL exclusive games on this Amiga, since I live in (and am from) the USA, where the Amiga was never properly marketed.