If you are a fan of Amiga, this is probably the best time to live in. I emulate my old Amiga 1200T (saved all my stuff to my back then PC FTP-server) using WinUAE. I also have a Vampire V4-Standalone for ApolloOS, a Sam460 and AmigaONE X5000 for AmigaOS 4.x. Earlier today I installed a Creative Soundblaster Audigy FX in the X5000 and it works perfectly, thanks to a developer who wrote drivers for that and some other cards using the same audio-chip. Great days to be an Amiga fan!
I can't recall one piece of software from my Amiga days (I owed a 500, a 2000, and a 3000/040. I still have the 3000) that I'm interested in these days.
I had the 4000/40 back in ‘95. $4000 Canadian dollars! Using in for Lightwave animation. It was fun to use. I sold it to a fellow down in the U.S. (I am Canadian) as he wanted it for doing imbedded programs. He was thrilled to get it for $700 US$.
I bought DOpus for my PC, works great on Windows 11. Love it WAY more than any other file explorer on Windows. And since I never did buy it back in the day I felt I needed to.
DOpus wasn't an average file manager. On the Amiga it was system within the system. It could be customized to use external commandline tools to do virtually everything including open all sorts of files, play music, movies, decompress all sorts of archives. It only depended on user's creativity. I can't imagine using Amiga without DOpus. It was essential tool for me.
I've never gotten my hands on an Amiga, but I've been fascinated with them and the scene around them for a while. Seeing as how pricey an actual Amiga is, that Raspberry Pi solution seems to be a nice and reasonable way to try it out. Thanks!
You don't want the original hardware. I had an Amiga 500, and just watching this reminds me of all the configuration troubles. I would literally have to spend the DAY to get an modem working for example. I would never want to return to the bad old days. The machine was impressive for its time, but Windows and Mac were only a couple years behind. By the time that 2000 rolled around, any OS was superior, including Linux.
@@fuzzywzhe I beg to differ. I had my old Amiga 1200 up and running in very short time with an SD-card as my harddrive connected to the internal IDE port. Back in the days I had days and months of trouble with this because I couldn't find a harddrive that wasn't too power hungry. I have a PCMCIA 3Com network card connected with the Easynet/AMITcp package. I can even swap that one out for a CF card adapter to transfer files to and from my PC that way if I want. And I am looking into getting a Gotek drive configured as an external DF1:
@@obbekjaer Well, the Amiga for its time was well ahead of the competitors but it's a primitive system compared to to today. I wouldn't want to go back to it. I was recently forced to reinstall my OS (linux) due to a failing SDD, I know this wouldn't have been as seamless 30 years ago. The rest of your writing is beyond me, and be impressed. I'm trained as a VLSI chip designer. Believe me, the worst architecture won. It was interesting 30 years ago to see leaps and bounds ahead in technology, those days are over.
I've been playing with Shapeshifter and Balistik II this afternoon, and even with an old PC emulating a fast Amiga, it's still possible to play some top 90s MAC games on it.
so you take an old PC put this software on it...and you have a amiga desktop then you put shapeshifter and you have a Mac...and all environments are shared in terms of availability at any one given time. Love it.
PC native Mac emulation would be far better and faster, rather than using Shapeshifter. SS is old and has many limitations. YOU can still run both emulators at the same time on a modern PC.
Underneath, it's still the same old Amiga OS, with all it's flaws and idiosyncrasies. It's just that Workbench has been replaced with DOpus 5.x, although you can still use versions of Workbench 3.x instead. It's like an old Granny wearing a miniskirt, high heels and too much makeup... the closer you look, the more wrinkles you see. 😉
I've never used an Amiga, and was born after its heyday, but it's always fascinated me how ahead of its time it was, and this looks like an awesome project.
How was the Amiga "ahead of its time"? It had a CPU from 1979. Blitters had existed before, pre-emptive multitasking had been in previous systems, GUIs and WIMP desktops had already been done. I can't think of a single Amiga feature which hadn't already been a feature of something else.
@@cloerenjackson3699 It took mainstream systems nearly 10 years to catch up, PCs weren't any where near until the mid nineties, stop been a bell3nd and learn the subject you're trying to talk about. All you are showing is your ignorance of the subject matter.
@@cloerenjackson3699 For a personal PC it was in fact ahead of its time, especially in the graphic and sound departments compared to IBM PC's. It could also multi-task with as little 512 megs of ram, try that today.
@@cloerenjackson3699 When released in 1985 it was years ahead of the IBM PC in graphics and sound capability with custom chips designed specifically for the Amiga.
that Pi 400 is looking like THE best option for a retro-computing enthusiast to get an Amiga experience in current times, that has a very high degree of athenticity about the experience of it all
There is no best option as people have different needs and expectations. For some it's emulators on PC that you can set up to run games by simply clicking a shortcut, Pis as small emulation boxes, FPGAs (can also be connected to CRT TVs and monitors relatively easy) or real hardware, with the last one being the most expensive option and hard to work around incompatibilities of OCS vs AGA machines without buying multiple systems or expensive upgrades. You can spend looots of money on Amiga hardware and some people do. While I was interested in getting a real Amiga, one wouldn't be enough for all games and running games like Lionheart or Ambermoon via WinUAE custom configs for each game (loaded via Launchbox shortcuts) works perfectly fine. Can even run it in 15kHz modes like 320x200 on my CRT monitor thanks to custom resolutions (just had to make some like 320x200 @ 140 Hz) for glorious, real scanlines. Not being able to use my original Amiga games is the only thing I'm sad about. But I also prefer using real hardware, why I'm using my old consoles and Retro PC more often than my MiSTer or emulators. Even using Everdrives feels slightly wrong.
Maybe the nicest, lightweight one, but not the cheapest anymore with the crazy price rise of Pi's. An old PC like the one in the video will cost you like a third of the price.
Not even close. ARM UAE is well behind Winuae. The performance is terrible in comparison to even throw away pcs. It has no ppc support. It has no 3d acceleration. It has no native code support. No ability to create custom screenmodes. No ability to set the host to custom resolutions and/or refresh rates as the original. Expensive in comparison. And so on and so forth.
i bought the amiga forever back in the days when i still was working with and on my amiga .. i cant figure out where i endup putting it .. it propably sits in some box deep within the years of moving house operation that took place .. having said that i feel totaly confortable using illegal aquired copys of the rom files... i somehow feel its still like .. i already bought them not to mention that i have something close to 200 amiga games original packaged so .. i sleep just fine having a pirated version.. even tho the amiga days are long past and gone for me watching your videos always brings back a fuzzy positive feeling of better days .. up to now deluxepaint was capable of doing things that photoshop cant even to till this day i often miss the efficiency of the amiga a damn shame how it all went down .. just imagine what we could have had ... computer that actualy do what the users want them to do .. :D
I didn’t even know Amiga OS and the worldwide Amiga community was a thing! Thanks so much for posting this video, it was really informative yet also brought back good memories of when I used to play games at lunchtimes with my friend at school who used to have an Amiga.
Honestly looking at this, I think Pimiga is the better option. If you want 'seamless', Pimiga will boot directly into the Amiga environment - and it's free.
Amikit XE is I think nearly the best option for a next gen high end cheap easy setup Amiga experience, I kinda wish a bit more work was done on the OS side so it knows its on emulated hardware and maybe support better graphics cards via these features.
Definitely getting a Pi400 to get back into a proper Amiga emulation session. I have Amiga forever and other emulators, but it's just not the same than having a dedicated PC for the os.
What sources for software are there these days? Back in the day I was quite an Amiga fan. I had a 500, 1000 with a lot of extra ram in a sidecar, two 2000's, all connected sharing a monitor. Flight sim software and role playing were my jam.
I loved my Amiga 4000/40 very much. Especially the Amiga OS and Workbench 3.1. I found it groundbreaking that devices could be used in scripts with real names instead of letters like C, D, etc., as on the PC. But most of all, I loved Maxon Word, Maxon Cinema 4D, and PageStream, which allowed for truly professional desktop publishing even back then. I was heartbroken when Maxon discontinued both versions for the Amiga. I also loved the amazing SoundTracker software; I still think Amiga music from that era is iconic. My big hope back then was the porting of AmigaOS to RISC CPUs, and I so wanted that to give the Amiga the boost it needed to survive and thrive. But unfortunately, things went differently. 😢 Now I am even more disappointed that I sold my Amiga in the early 2000s. Thankfully, I made a backup of my hard drives using a serial interface and Diabolo Backup, so with WinUAE, I can occasionally indulge in a bit of nostalgia.
Then you'll like to know it's the only Pi version of which there's some stock left at some stores at the reasonable original price. Well, that's true at the moment of writing this, it will not last long, one can presume.
To get rid of all the Windows 7 appearance, go to "advanced Setting, Performance, then select Adjust for best performance. It will look a good bit more like the Amiga. (Basic Windows appearance from decades gone by. You can adjust the colors, also, in "Preferences")
I wish I could have seen what 1990 programmers could have done with 16 5GHz out of order cores with 72MB cache on the die and 16GB/s memory bandwidth. The closest I can get to that is booting DOS 6.22 on my 3950x and running Doom for DOS.
I would really liked if you had opened the video explaining why and to what someone would want to use this kit. Since i didn't know this OS, I got a little confused at first if there was a pratical use for it or if that was more of a nostalgic thing. But I liked the video either way... thanks for putting it together.
I actually enjoy mixed environments. That said, it'd be nice if they'd make at least a Win10/11 Theme and ship it with the package, Linux is more relaxing in that sense.
Windows 10 and eleven dont have 'themes' Everything is either black or white and the only design rule is... "Just splat it on a page and dont use color! It makes life easier for the guy that bought a full color monitor!"
I agree 100%. I'm encouraging people to try out emulation. Amiga emulation nowadays is almost perfect. FS-UAE is my favourite for years now. There's no need of buying super expensive real Amigas unless you want the real thing so badly. Emulators are doing well and they're convenient. You don't have to buy more electronic junk, because it can be done on a computer you already have at home.
Personally, I'm happy to just run on WinUAE emulation: at least then, all possible Amiga demos will run on my menu system, even if it's not actual hardware.
great memories Back then in the early 1990s, when compressed executables with Turbo imploder and Powerpacker, later with Disk Expander.. doin' some Music with oktalyzer and playing Games like rodland, superfrog and transplant..
I never owned one, the Amstrad CPC6128 was my daily driver and still works. I just wish I could have added a hard drive to it. Now I’m so used to MacOS and Linux, there’s very little to go back to the Amstrad for.
I'd love to use my old PC as an Amiga! But when I went looking for the free version to try - I'm either blind or dull as I couldn't find it.. If anyone reading this, can link it.. Thanks.. But besides that - This looks like something I'd more than pay to get as it looks amazing.. Just to be able to live my classic Amiga days, be well worth it !! great vid..
I wonder how much of a performance boost you’d get by really stripping down the Windows side. You can really strip it out and make it very minimal. Also I wonder how it compares to a fully updated Amithlon and a Pimiga build. We need a face off.
I have all three. For me Amiga means Amiga look *and* feel. No contest: amithlon looks and feels like a superfast RTG Amiga. But is a pain to set up. And no amiga ntive scrrens or games. Amikit to me does not look like an amiga-it uses a Windows start button and a Windows task bar. Still it has a very nice Opus set up. IMO PiAmiiga comes last in both look and feel, especially the feel-it just doesn't feel like an amiga.
@@stefcep also have all three. I have several Amithlon builds and agreed it can be a pain to set up, but I am always looking for that better setup and combo of parts to make things better. Pimiga is great but one issue I have, the same one with all Pi based emulation is the lack of support for native formats. No easy transfer of native discs and file to the Pimiga etc. My favourites by far are my Vampire accelerated Amigas and my 030 accelerated ones with RTG and of cause Amithlon. Hands down the best two Amiga experiences.
@@stefcep AmiKit doesn't use a win start button - it uses AmiStart - an Amiga specific application that came out in the 90s, the trouble was it required a high end Amiga to run it, so hardly anyone has heard of it...
Watching this video on the original Lenovo Carbon X1 from 2012 using UbuntuDDE. This is used on a DAILY basis. It's amazing what can be done with a lighter OS.
Grew up on the amiga from the late 80's, was a great computer and OS, even had the best graphics and sound at the time and loved it. But unless you just playing retro games today, the amiga is dead when it comes to servers and productivity, and real world usefulness.
Amiga UAE on a PC, was always throwing up errors for me, such as bad rom/ incorrect boot rom and freezing issues, GAMES NOT BOOTING. This looks hassle free Dan. As it runs from HD, it will work quicker than a Pi too with sd card loading.
damn i used to dislike amikit, but this looks incredible. amazing video dan, I really love how you are pushing this stuff. I feel like I should have done stuff like this, but no need with Dan doing it very well. Still miss diskmaster tho, Dopus was always a second resort for me :) damn ibrowse is still going! got a key somewhere :) lol no css. we do need to write a good lightweight browser, port of chrome. I wrote a browser for windows once in 23k!.. i wonder if we met on irc, i call it AM-IRC. I just wish I could live in amiga again them days were the best times, but these days im so involved with tinkering in and out of games and apps i need windows for, soon as im in amiga i need to leave to tinker. look great on pi. oh man i miss IconX!.. im almost forgetting it. Thanks for a good viewing mate, I did have high end, in fact I still do, will reboot my towered power amiga in UK soon :))))
@@maxxdahl6062 well i guess its amiga forever supercharged. AF you get a few apps and ppaint but you dont get a tenth of what amikit gives u, and the preconfiguration etc. which can literally take decades to get right.
Amikit takes the fun out of intalling Workbench :( It makes you learn the AmigaOS ways if you install Workbench from scratch using WinUAE followed by any other components you require. Nice to see a kit can be used too for anyone that doesnt have a few hours free to learn
It's nice we can do this. But what a terrible nuisance. We're using a modern computer to emulate an old computer that's been heavily modified to look and behave like a modern computer.
is just bowing to the reality that people wouldn't mind in a bit of nostalgia indulgence, but without a lot of the pain and aggrevations of the actual back-in-the-day computing experience
@@blunderingfool it's not just about boot up times, it's also about how some people maybe don't have the space for old hardware, or have the desire to maintain it but still want to experience the software.
Looks nice but it still feels like one of the most inefficient ways to do basic modern tasks. For me the retro aspect of the amiga is just booting up the original, having a bit of a play, switching off and conducting the rest of my time in the modern era.
It's a pity there is no AmigaOS Software you can install on a older desktop pc or laptop that runs without Ubuntu or windows. That would be awesome! Thanks for this demonstration video of Amikit!
There is. AROS is an AmigaOS compatible OS that runs directly on pc hardware, and Amithlon is a way to run amigaos on pc without the need for a host OS.
It's cool and all. But for me the whole point of using an Amiga is to use it the same way I did back in the day. That means a 1084S monitor. A real A1200 with real clicky keys. The floppy drive sound and motion of inserting disks. Being able to sit down in front of a real amiga and a real 1084S monitor and play Amiga games with a joystick to me is what using an Amiga is all about.
Not everyone has the time and finances to spend over a grand on a little piece of nostalgia. So there are plenty of people who use Raspberry pi's or EMU's for a stroll down memory lane, because the software is the same. Same games, same apps, same everything. And in the case of an Amiga OS for the ARM chip in a Pi, a lot faster than the original.
A 5-10 minute wait for one executable on a tiny floppy to load into RAM, long waits mid-game, random disk read failures where you have to start the whole #@% business over again. I don't miss my Amiga 500 for those reasons, probably why I've not yet got round to opening the case to clean out the disc battery leakage and fix it. Instead Inhave been very satisfied with the excellent WinUAE emulator, and will def. have a look at the package in this video. Finally, a good use for old computers!
@@ironmaiden5658 Nonsense. There's no way I'd go to all the hassle of plugging a Spectrum into a CRT and loading from tape just to play Manic Miner or Attic Attack. The games are where the nostalgia lies, not the hardware. Convincing people that they have to spend silly amounts of money if they want a nostalgic experience is just a way of separating idiots from their money.
I see MorphOS 3.16 is out Dan. Coincidentally, I have/had 3.15 on a macmini but the last few days I've been playing with Linux PPC distros on the mini. Not satisfied, I'm installing 3.15 again from a burned DVD I made when it was released. Whilst doing all this I'm looking at MorphOS websites and notice 3.16 is out!
I appreciate you pointing out that it wouldn't be ideal for gaming. I was going to ask if the emulation overhead introduces any input lag to games of which one would notice it, such as DOOM. But perhaps RabbitHole would work just fine for running games compiled to run on the raspberry pi
He actually said that this is "overkill" if all you want to do is play a few old Amiga games or demos, which is true. You don't need anything this sophisticated just for doing that, and there are free options that will accomplish that for you. But Amikit X will play those games just as well as any other emulated Amiga on Pi or PC. It just happens to have everything but the kitchen sink thrown in to make it in to the 'ultimate' Amiga, for those who want more. Playing Amiga versions of demanding games that already exist on Windows or Linux is rarely going to fulfilling, other than just a technical "look at this" exercise. 😉
I enjoy your very informative videos Dan.. AmiKit X do i need the full version of Amiga Forever or just the Amber Essential s? I am a bit confused.I am just getting in to the Amiga not just the games the whole exsparance .I can,t wait for a full sized Amiga to come out.Keep up the good work Dan.
I had an Amiga 2000 HD back in the late 80s. Paid WAY too much for it, but I guess it was a good computer for the time. I have not seen the video yet but WHY in the WORLD would anyone want an Amiga in this day & age?
So, as someone that never had a C64 or an Amiga... Is there anything worth doing on an Amiga that you can't do on an X86 PC? What is so great about an Amiga aside from the nostalgia of people that had Amigas growing up?
The graphics and sound blew the shit out of x86's back in the 80's, they were very very good productivity machines back in the day and you can still find them in some businesses.
I wish there was a version of Amiga Workbench or Amiga OS ported to x86-64 but keeping backwards compatibility. Use something not unlike Apple's rosetta software for the hardware change of macOS.
I always preferred to set up Amiga manually myself and never used these pre-made ones. One thing i should test is benchmarking UAE on my AMD Ryzen 9 CPU in Sysinfo or similar. Could be a 10.000 Mhz 68060..lol
I had 3 Amiga in my life and still own 2 of them (1000, 500 and 2000) but I frankly do not see any advantage of using one today... apart from stirring memories from time to time... it just lack functionalities.
I've been looking for the perfect way to spend my money to get the amiga experience. I still can't figure it out. Amiberry runs great on my m1 mac, but I want something more authentic. I might just build my own from as much new/old parts I can find. I'm so torn...
if commodore went out of business then the copyrights on the kick start roms should have vaporized with the company so you should not have any legal problems with including a rom image in emulator packages. i doubt there is anyone maintaining the copyrights just waiting for piracy.
What i don't understand is if people are up for paying for this is why more don't they just go and buy an aeon x5000 Amiga?,it has a modern version of Workbench,Trevor Dickinson would be chuffed!
But it seems it ceased regular development and as far as I can remember DO was originally developed for Amiga. I own the latest licence update (very expensive!) but it really is worth every penny of it!
What has AWeb done to you ;) Did you test how well that internet browser worked with CSS and modern websites? Thank you for showing us this new version of AmiKit
Me encanta Amiga, lamentablemente no evolucionó la plataforma como todos hubiésemos querido; en Argentina no pudimos disfrutarla porque la empresa que fabricaba y comercializaba productos Commodore en el país perdió la licencia; el C64 fué un éxito pero lo construían con baja calidad; algunos equipos Amiga se importaban pero eran extremadamente caros y PC terminó ganando terreno.
Hey Dan! Thanks for explaining everything around Emulation with *Amikit X*. Serious note: You shouldn't use any windows prior 10 when going online, ever. An logical option within that m$ crap should be to run ANY program from the RabbitHole in an VM!! Seriously. Actually, the BEST option is to use an stable & slick Linux and then install Amikit X. Or using an Raspi or FPGA like the miSTer. greetings from germany. 😎
Dopus 4 was the first thing I installed on any new Amiga build back in the day, then MagicMenu, then NewIcons or Glowicons, .... Dopus 4 was a coverdisk in AF of CU Amiga I think. I tried and tried with Dopus 5 but couldn't get on with it. What is it like at networking with a real Amiga?
You could get a cheap used HP EliteDesk Mini, which comes with Windows 10 Home, and configure AmiKit X to launch in place of Explorer.exe so it goes straight to the Amiga desktop.
I've had no end of trouble trying to get AmiKit X onto a Mac. Even when I got around the macOS specific issues and got a 3.9 OS CD, it just fails after installation.
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If you are a fan of Amiga, this is probably the best time to live in. I emulate my old Amiga 1200T (saved all my stuff to my back then PC FTP-server) using WinUAE. I also have a Vampire V4-Standalone for ApolloOS, a Sam460 and AmigaONE X5000 for AmigaOS 4.x. Earlier today I installed a Creative Soundblaster Audigy FX in the X5000 and it works perfectly, thanks to a developer who wrote drivers for that and some other cards using the same audio-chip.
Great days to be an Amiga fan!
I can't recall one piece of software from my Amiga days (I owed a 500, a 2000, and a 3000/040. I still have the 3000) that I'm interested in these days.
I had the 4000/40 back in ‘95. $4000 Canadian dollars!
Using in for Lightwave animation. It was fun to use. I sold it to a fellow down in the U.S. (I am Canadian) as he wanted it for doing imbedded programs. He was thrilled to get it for $700 US$.
I bought DOpus for my PC, works great on Windows 11. Love it WAY more than any other file explorer on Windows. And since I never did buy it back in the day I felt I needed to.
I've been a user of DOpus since the Amiga days (now on Windows). Best file explorer/manager on ANY system.
@@RobertTempleton64 I do agree 100%. Loved it back on The Amiga and can't live without it on the PC. It seems on Windows 11 it just got less useful.
@@RobertTempleton64 Ditto that, loved it on the Amiga and now on PC
Very expensive ....
DOpus wasn't an average file manager. On the Amiga it was system within the system. It could be customized to use external commandline tools to do virtually everything including open all sorts of files, play music, movies, decompress all sorts of archives. It only depended on user's creativity. I can't imagine using Amiga without DOpus. It was essential tool for me.
I had an old C64 and LOVED it and spent HOURS programming it, never had an Amiga
I've never gotten my hands on an Amiga, but I've been fascinated with them and the scene around them for a while. Seeing as how pricey an actual Amiga is, that Raspberry Pi solution seems to be a nice and reasonable way to try it out. Thanks!
You don't want the original hardware. I had an Amiga 500, and just watching this reminds me of all the configuration troubles. I would literally have to spend the DAY to get an modem working for example. I would never want to return to the bad old days.
The machine was impressive for its time, but Windows and Mac were only a couple years behind. By the time that 2000 rolled around, any OS was superior, including Linux.
@@fuzzywzhe I beg to differ. I had my old Amiga 1200 up and running in very short time with an SD-card as my harddrive connected to the internal IDE port. Back in the days I had days and months of trouble with this because I couldn't find a harddrive that wasn't too power hungry. I have a PCMCIA 3Com network card connected with the Easynet/AMITcp package. I can even swap that one out for a CF card adapter to transfer files to and from my PC that way if I want. And I am looking into getting a Gotek drive configured as an external DF1:
@@obbekjaer Well, the Amiga for its time was well ahead of the competitors but it's a primitive system compared to to today. I wouldn't want to go back to it. I was recently forced to reinstall my OS (linux) due to a failing SDD, I know this wouldn't have been as seamless 30 years ago.
The rest of your writing is beyond me, and be impressed. I'm trained as a VLSI chip designer. Believe me, the worst architecture won.
It was interesting 30 years ago to see leaps and bounds ahead in technology, those days are over.
I've been playing with Shapeshifter and Balistik II this afternoon, and even with an old PC emulating a fast Amiga, it's still possible to play some top 90s MAC games on it.
so you take an old PC put this software on it...and you have a amiga desktop then you put shapeshifter and you have a Mac...and all environments are shared in terms of availability at any one given time. Love it.
no such thing as Top Mac games.
@@godslayer1415 says a man who lacks culture.
PC native Mac emulation would be far better and faster, rather than using Shapeshifter. SS is old and has many limitations. YOU can still run both emulators at the same time on a modern PC.
@@godslayer1415Myst
I love seeing a version where Amiga can run on a new system with a new variation/version of the GUI / OS. Thanks
Underneath, it's still the same old Amiga OS, with all it's flaws and idiosyncrasies. It's just that Workbench has been replaced with DOpus 5.x, although you can still use versions of Workbench 3.x instead. It's like an old Granny wearing a miniskirt, high heels and too much makeup... the closer you look, the more wrinkles you see. 😉
@@another3997 Seems part of the problem is that Amiga has an identity problem, and with no central authority (no Commodore) it can get worse.
I love the Pi version. I purchased it the day it released
I've never used an Amiga, and was born after its heyday, but it's always fascinated me how ahead of its time it was, and this looks like an awesome project.
How was the Amiga "ahead of its time"? It had a CPU from 1979. Blitters had existed before, pre-emptive multitasking had been in previous systems, GUIs and WIMP desktops had already been done. I can't think of a single Amiga feature which hadn't already been a feature of something else.
@@cloerenjackson3699 It took mainstream systems nearly 10 years to catch up, PCs weren't any where near until the mid nineties, stop been a bell3nd and learn the subject you're trying to talk about. All you are showing is your ignorance of the subject matter.
@@cloerenjackson3699 For a personal PC it was in fact ahead of its time, especially in the graphic and sound departments compared to IBM PC's. It could also multi-task with as little 512 megs of ram, try that today.
@@cloerenjackson3699 When released in 1985 it was years ahead of the IBM PC in graphics and sound capability with custom chips designed specifically for the Amiga.
@@billpii6314 You meant 512 kilobytes, not megabytes. The Cray-2 supercomputer also released in 1985 had 1 GB RAM and cost $16 million
that Pi 400 is looking like THE best option for a retro-computing enthusiast to get an Amiga experience in current times, that has a very high degree of athenticity about the experience of it all
There is no best option as people have different needs and expectations. For some it's emulators on PC that you can set up to run games by simply clicking a shortcut, Pis as small emulation boxes, FPGAs (can also be connected to CRT TVs and monitors relatively easy) or real hardware, with the last one being the most expensive option and hard to work around incompatibilities of OCS vs AGA machines without buying multiple systems or expensive upgrades.
You can spend looots of money on Amiga hardware and some people do. While I was interested in getting a real Amiga, one wouldn't be enough for all games and running games like Lionheart or Ambermoon via WinUAE custom configs for each game (loaded via Launchbox shortcuts) works perfectly fine. Can even run it in 15kHz modes like 320x200 on my CRT monitor thanks to custom resolutions (just had to make some like 320x200 @ 140 Hz) for glorious, real scanlines.
Not being able to use my original Amiga games is the only thing I'm sad about. But I also prefer using real hardware, why I'm using my old consoles and Retro PC more often than my MiSTer or emulators. Even using Everdrives feels slightly wrong.
Maybe the nicest, lightweight one, but not the cheapest anymore with the crazy price rise of Pi's. An old PC like the one in the video will cost you like a third of the price.
When I get a bit of spare time, that's what my Pi 400 will have loaded 👍
That’s exactly what I’m rocking. A Pi 400 with Pimiga it’s quite a nostalgic feeling 🤩
Not even close. ARM UAE is well behind Winuae. The performance is terrible in comparison to even throw away pcs. It has no ppc support. It has no 3d acceleration. It has no native code support. No ability to create custom screenmodes. No ability to set the host to custom resolutions and/or refresh rates as the original. Expensive in comparison. And so on and so forth.
i bought the amiga forever back in the days when i still was working with and on my amiga .. i cant figure out where i endup putting it .. it propably sits in some box deep within the years of moving house operation that took place .. having said that i feel totaly confortable using illegal aquired copys of the rom files... i somehow feel its still like .. i already bought them not to mention that i have something close to 200 amiga games original packaged so .. i sleep just fine having a pirated version.. even tho the amiga days are long past and gone for me watching your videos always brings back a fuzzy positive feeling of better days .. up to now deluxepaint was capable of doing things that photoshop cant even to till this day i often miss the efficiency of the amiga a damn shame how it all went down .. just imagine what we could have had ... computer that actualy do what the users want them to do .. :D
I didn’t even know Amiga OS and the worldwide Amiga community was a thing! Thanks so much for posting this video, it was really informative yet also brought back good memories of when I used to play games at lunchtimes with my friend at school who used to have an Amiga.
Thanks so much Dan! I've got an older PC that needs something to do!
Honestly looking at this, I think Pimiga is the better option. If you want 'seamless', Pimiga will boot directly into the Amiga environment - and it's free.
Boots into Scalos - not into Workbench
I'll never do this but it was fun watching you do it. Brings back memories of my Amiga 1000 back in the 80s.
Amikit XE is I think nearly the best option for a next gen high end cheap easy setup Amiga experience, I kinda wish a bit more work was done on the OS side so it knows its on emulated hardware and maybe support better graphics cards via these features.
Thank you for this. Never knew it existed. Just bought the supercombo. I already use Amiga Forever.
Definitely getting a Pi400 to get back into a proper Amiga emulation session. I have Amiga forever and other emulators, but it's just not the same than having a dedicated PC for the os.
If I remember my childhood correctly, wasn't the Amiga the defacto standard when it came to graphic design?
What sources for software are there these days? Back in the day I was quite an Amiga fan. I had a 500, 1000 with a lot of extra ram in a sidecar, two 2000's, all connected sharing a monitor. Flight sim software and role playing were my jam.
I loved my Amiga 4000/40 very much. Especially the Amiga OS and Workbench 3.1. I found it groundbreaking that devices could be used in scripts with real names instead of letters like C, D, etc., as on the PC. But most of all, I loved Maxon Word, Maxon Cinema 4D, and PageStream, which allowed for truly professional desktop publishing even back then. I was heartbroken when Maxon discontinued both versions for the Amiga. I also loved the amazing SoundTracker software; I still think Amiga music from that era is iconic. My big hope back then was the porting of AmigaOS to RISC CPUs, and I so wanted that to give the Amiga the boost it needed to survive and thrive. But unfortunately, things went differently. 😢
Now I am even more disappointed that I sold my Amiga in the early 2000s. Thankfully, I made a backup of my hard drives using a serial interface and Diabolo Backup, so with WinUAE, I can occasionally indulge in a bit of nostalgia.
I had and Amiga500 in early 1990's. I miss it. Especially a game i had with a ball that should go through a lavel /$with/without ice
That little keyboard based PI system is pretty awesome!
Then you'll like to know it's the only Pi version of which there's some stock left at some stores at the reasonable original price. Well, that's true at the moment of writing this, it will not last long, one can presume.
Dom System One is the insaine amiga collection, next to Chris Edwards Pimiga. There a ton of custom emupacks.
Wow Dan - I tested the Amiga emulation using your guide. Brilliant.
To get rid of all the Windows 7 appearance, go to "advanced Setting, Performance, then select Adjust for best performance. It will look a good bit more like the Amiga. (Basic Windows appearance from decades gone by. You can adjust the colors, also, in "Preferences")
I wish I could have seen what 1990 programmers could have done with 16 5GHz out of order cores with 72MB cache on the die and 16GB/s memory bandwidth. The closest I can get to that is booting DOS 6.22 on my 3950x and running Doom for DOS.
I have been using DO for decades it seems. It is without question the best file manager on any platform, hands down, full stop!!!
I would really liked if you had opened the video explaining why and to what someone would want to use this kit. Since i didn't know this OS, I got a little confused at first if there was a pratical use for it or if that was more of a nostalgic thing. But I liked the video either way... thanks for putting it together.
This is the Workbench which I will be using on my real A4000T, BFG9060 and ZZ9000 soon!
Everytime linux fanboys says non sense like "Windows interfaces can't be modded" i showed them this, they said its fake LOL
It's not a Windows interface mod, it's an emulator.
I actually enjoy mixed environments.
That said, it'd be nice if they'd make at least a Win10/11 Theme and ship it with the package, Linux is more relaxing in that sense.
Windows 10 and eleven dont have 'themes'
Everything is either black or white and the only design rule is...
"Just splat it on a page and dont use color! It makes life easier for the guy that bought a full color monitor!"
I miss my Amiga, cool seeing this video...
As much as I like the Amiga, someone really need to give the interface a modern look.
Gongrats Dan for promoting emulation, by far the cheapest and easyest way to get into amiga, and possibly the future of amiga computing!
I agree 100%. I'm encouraging people to try out emulation. Amiga emulation nowadays is almost perfect. FS-UAE is my favourite for years now. There's no need of buying super expensive real Amigas unless you want the real thing so badly. Emulators are doing well and they're convenient. You don't have to buy more electronic junk, because it can be done on a computer you already have at home.
Personally, I'm happy to just run on WinUAE emulation: at least then, all possible Amiga demos will run on my menu system, even if it's not actual hardware.
great memories Back then in the early 1990s, when compressed executables with Turbo imploder and Powerpacker, later with Disk Expander.. doin' some Music with oktalyzer and playing Games like rodland, superfrog and transplant..
I never owned one, the Amstrad CPC6128 was my daily driver and still works. I just wish I could have added a hard drive to it.
Now I’m so used to MacOS and Linux, there’s very little to go back to the Amstrad for.
I'd love to use my old PC as an Amiga! But when I went looking for the free version to try - I'm either blind or dull as I couldn't find it.. If anyone reading this, can link it.. Thanks.. But besides that - This looks like something I'd more than pay to get as it looks amazing.. Just to be able to live my classic Amiga days, be well worth it !! great vid..
I wonder how much of a performance boost you’d get by really stripping down the Windows side. You can really strip it out and make it very minimal. Also I wonder how it compares to a fully updated Amithlon and a Pimiga build. We need a face off.
I have all three. For me Amiga means Amiga look *and* feel. No contest: amithlon looks and feels like a superfast RTG Amiga. But is a pain to set up. And no amiga ntive scrrens or games. Amikit to me does not look like an amiga-it uses a Windows start button and a Windows task bar. Still it has a very nice Opus set up. IMO PiAmiiga comes last in both look and feel, especially the feel-it just doesn't feel like an amiga.
@@stefcep also have all three. I have several Amithlon builds and agreed it can be a pain to set up, but I am always looking for that better setup and combo of parts to make things better. Pimiga is great but one issue I have, the same one with all Pi based emulation is the lack of support for native formats. No easy transfer of native discs and file to the Pimiga etc. My favourites by far are my Vampire accelerated Amigas and my 030 accelerated ones with RTG and of cause Amithlon. Hands down the best two Amiga experiences.
There's a Linux version, and you can strip that down as much as you want.
@@stefcep AmiKit doesn't use a win start button - it uses AmiStart - an Amiga specific application that came out in the 90s, the trouble was it required a high end Amiga to run it, so hardly anyone has heard of it...
Watching this video on the original Lenovo Carbon X1 from 2012 using UbuntuDDE. This is used on a DAILY basis. It's amazing what can be done with a lighter OS.
Grew up on the amiga from the late 80's, was a great computer and OS, even had the best graphics and sound at the time and loved it. But unless you just playing retro games today, the amiga is dead when it comes to servers and productivity, and real world usefulness.
wow 1.99 for a legal kickstart ROM? nice :) they should just sell it on the page for this price!
This really is the kitchen sink of bundles. I wish they offered a slim version so we can build up the additions that we want.
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... or something like that. You will completely be rid of sluggishness and it wouldn't load slower in that situation.
Amiga UAE on a PC, was always throwing up errors for me, such as bad rom/ incorrect boot rom and freezing issues, GAMES NOT BOOTING. This looks hassle free Dan. As it runs from HD, it will work quicker than a Pi too with sd card loading.
Wasn't there more or less an easier option with Amiga Forever?
It would be nice to see a stand alone auto boot of hard drive with out windows OS
I was just thinking about this. Using an old laptop.
Thank you Dan for an excellent video! Thumb Up & Subscribed!!!
damn i used to dislike amikit, but this looks incredible. amazing video dan, I really love how you are pushing this stuff. I feel like I should have done stuff like this, but no need with Dan doing it very well. Still miss diskmaster tho, Dopus was always a second resort for me :) damn ibrowse is still going! got a key somewhere :) lol no css. we do need to write a good lightweight browser, port of chrome. I wrote a browser for windows once in 23k!.. i wonder if we met on irc, i call it AM-IRC. I just wish I could live in amiga again them days were the best times, but these days im so involved with tinkering in and out of games and apps i need windows for, soon as im in amiga i need to leave to tinker. look great on pi. oh man i miss IconX!.. im almost forgetting it. Thanks for a good viewing mate, I did have high end, in fact I still do, will reboot my towered power amiga in UK soon :))))
Still don't see a reason for it myself. Amiga Forever can do the same thing as this more or less.
@@maxxdahl6062 well i guess its amiga forever supercharged. AF you get a few apps and ppaint but you dont get a tenth of what amikit gives u, and the preconfiguration etc. which can literally take decades to get right.
@@TYNEPUNK I didn't have much trouble at all with configuration myself. Only part I got hung up on was doing an HDD install.
Amikit takes the fun out of intalling Workbench :(
It makes you learn the AmigaOS ways if you install Workbench from scratch using WinUAE followed by any other components you require. Nice to see a kit can be used too for anyone that doesnt have a few hours free to learn
Heh, that's funny: I just tweeted you while you made the PC version video...it showed up when you demonstrated Twitter on the Amiga ;-)
It's nice we can do this. But what a terrible nuisance. We're using a modern computer to emulate an old computer that's been heavily modified to look and behave like a modern computer.
is just bowing to the reality that people wouldn't mind in a bit of nostalgia indulgence, but without a lot of the pain and aggrevations of the actual back-in-the-day computing experience
@@TheSulross My windows 98 machine took not too long to load up. After an update windows 10 takes upwards of 30 minutes.
@@TheSulross Yes that makes sense.
@@blunderingfool it's not just about boot up times, it's also about how some people maybe don't have the space for old hardware, or have the desire to maintain it but still want to experience the software.
@@blunderingfool Is that relevant?
I really Need a Linux distro themed like that Amiga Version!
Looks nice but it still feels like one of the most inefficient ways to do basic modern tasks. For me the retro aspect of the amiga is just booting up the original, having a bit of a play, switching off and conducting the rest of my time in the modern era.
exactly...nothing wrong with some nostalgia once in a while...but, nothing more than that. just IMO.
Well said.
It's a pity there is no AmigaOS Software you can install on a older desktop pc or laptop that runs without Ubuntu or windows. That would be awesome!
Thanks for this demonstration video of Amikit!
There is.
AROS is an AmigaOS compatible OS that runs directly on pc hardware, and Amithlon is a way to run amigaos on pc without the need for a host OS.
@@beezle1976 Awesome! Thank you!!! I have to look that up right now.
Recently tried WinUAE it runs ok.
Best thing I can remember is the toaster card in the Amiga.
It's cool and all. But for me the whole point of using an Amiga is to use it the same way I did back in the day. That means a 1084S monitor. A real A1200 with real clicky keys. The floppy drive sound and motion of inserting disks. Being able to sit down in front of a real amiga and a real 1084S monitor and play Amiga games with a joystick to me is what using an Amiga is all about.
Not everyone has the time and finances to spend over a grand on a little piece of nostalgia.
So there are plenty of people who use Raspberry pi's or EMU's for a stroll down memory lane, because the software is the same.
Same games, same apps, same everything.
And in the case of an Amiga OS for the ARM chip in a Pi, a lot faster than the original.
A 5-10 minute wait for one executable on a tiny floppy to load into RAM, long waits mid-game, random disk read failures where you have to start the whole #@% business over again. I don't miss my Amiga 500 for those reasons, probably why I've not yet got round to opening the case to clean out the disc battery leakage and fix it. Instead Inhave been very satisfied with the excellent WinUAE emulator, and will def. have a look at the package in this video. Finally, a good use for old computers!
@@bigbadsteven 5-10 minute? While you’re opening the “case” rip the floppy drive apart and clean the heads and lubricate the slide.
@@MaffeyZilog If you want the nostalgia, you’ll spend what ever it takes. Otherwise you’re just kidding yourself.
@@ironmaiden5658 Nonsense. There's no way I'd go to all the hassle of plugging a Spectrum into a CRT and loading from tape just to play Manic Miner or Attic Attack.
The games are where the nostalgia lies, not the hardware.
Convincing people that they have to spend silly amounts of money if they want a nostalgic experience is just a way of separating idiots from their money.
I see MorphOS 3.16 is out Dan. Coincidentally, I have/had 3.15 on a macmini but the last few days I've been playing with Linux PPC distros on the mini. Not satisfied, I'm installing 3.15 again from a burned DVD I made when it was released. Whilst doing all this I'm looking at MorphOS websites and notice 3.16 is out!
if you like directory opus ... then you have to use the xyplorer!
I appreciate you pointing out that it wouldn't be ideal for gaming. I was going to ask if the emulation overhead introduces any input lag to games of which one would notice it, such as DOOM. But perhaps RabbitHole would work just fine for running games compiled to run on the raspberry pi
He actually said that this is "overkill" if all you want to do is play a few old Amiga games or demos, which is true. You don't need anything this sophisticated just for doing that, and there are free options that will accomplish that for you. But Amikit X will play those games just as well as any other emulated Amiga on Pi or PC. It just happens to have everything but the kitchen sink thrown in to make it in to the 'ultimate' Amiga, for those who want more. Playing Amiga versions of demanding games that already exist on Windows or Linux is rarely going to fulfilling, other than just a technical "look at this" exercise. 😉
Excellent video.
What setup is recommended for purely enjoying Amiga games?
Thank you for the video!
I want this. but I already had web browsers and video players on my 4000.
Turn a High-End Amiga into an Old PC.
I enjoy your very informative videos Dan.. AmiKit X do i need the full version of Amiga Forever or just the Amber Essential s? I am a bit confused.I am just getting in to the Amiga not just the games the whole exsparance .I can,t wait for a full sized Amiga to come out.Keep up the good work Dan.
I had an Amiga 2000 HD back in the late 80s. Paid WAY too much for it, but I guess it was a good computer for the time. I have not seen the video yet but WHY in the WORLD would anyone want an Amiga in this day & age?
Nostalgia
So, as someone that never had a C64 or an Amiga... Is there anything worth doing on an Amiga that you can't do on an X86 PC? What is so great about an Amiga aside from the nostalgia of people that had Amigas growing up?
The graphics and sound blew the shit out of x86's back in the 80's, they were very very good productivity machines back in the day and you can still find them in some businesses.
Besides the nostalgia, I need an escape from the annoyances of Windows 10.
Do you have eyes. And ears for that matter? :P
nice to hear i have amiga forever to i should try this
I wish there was a version of Amiga Workbench or Amiga OS ported to x86-64 but keeping backwards compatibility. Use something not unlike Apple's rosetta software for the hardware change of macOS.
I always preferred to set up Amiga manually myself and never used these pre-made ones.
One thing i should test is benchmarking UAE on my AMD Ryzen 9 CPU in Sysinfo or similar.
Could be a 10.000 Mhz 68060..lol
I had 3 Amiga in my life and still own 2 of them (1000, 500 and 2000) but I frankly do not see any advantage of using one today... apart from stirring memories from time to time... it just lack functionalities.
I've been looking for the perfect way to spend my money to get the amiga experience. I still can't figure it out. Amiberry runs great on my m1 mac, but I want something more authentic. I might just build my own from as much new/old parts I can find. I'm so torn...
00:26 Haha, who didn’t have that exact same wallpaper?
Brings back memories of when I had one.
Which version do you recommend? I have a Raspberry Pi 400 and a good Laptop to chuck this on.
You beauty... another video lined up and downloaded waiting to be watched when I get the beers in. 🍻
Great video Dan. Interesting topic.
"Since the demise of Commodore in the mid 90's" cheers for putting me into a depression in the first 5 seconds of your video.
if commodore went out of business then the copyrights on the kick start roms should have vaporized with the company so you should not have any legal problems with including a rom image in emulator packages.
i doubt there is anyone maintaining the copyrights just waiting for piracy.
I really wish it had some working web browser where youtube would work without any problems.
What i don't understand is if people are up for paying for this is why more don't they just go and buy an aeon x5000 Amiga?,it has a modern version of Workbench,Trevor Dickinson would be chuffed!
beautiful version of amiga desktop, thanks for review
A retro Advert? What I got out of this vid.
Great video and gives me a tonne of ideas. How does Amikit handle things like Word Processing and email?
I don't know but there must be an application that can register all applications on your behalf.
It can read from shared drives and usb sticks, utilising usb ports?? It's fully integrated with windows/mac underneath?
Directory Opus is one of the main reasons why I still use Windows. Combining Amikit XE with Linux might be the way forward.
But it seems it ceased regular development and as far as I can remember DO was originally developed for Amiga.
I own the latest licence update (very expensive!) but it really is worth every penny of it!
What has AWeb done to you ;) Did you test how well that internet browser worked with CSS and modern websites?
Thank you for showing us this new version of AmiKit
Me encanta Amiga, lamentablemente no evolucionó la plataforma como todos hubiésemos querido; en Argentina no pudimos disfrutarla porque la empresa que fabricaba y comercializaba productos Commodore en el país perdió la licencia; el C64 fué un éxito pero lo construían con baja calidad; algunos equipos Amiga se importaban pero eran extremadamente caros y PC terminó ganando terreno.
Hey Dan! Thanks for explaining everything around Emulation with *Amikit X*.
Serious note: You shouldn't use any windows prior 10 when going online, ever. An logical option within that m$ crap should be to run ANY program from the RabbitHole in an VM!! Seriously. Actually, the BEST option is to use an stable & slick Linux and then install Amikit X. Or using an Raspi or FPGA like the miSTer. greetings from germany. 😎
I would prefer using Linux as backend, but it seems to be using Winuae even on linux.
Why not use FS-uae which has a native Linux version?
AFAIK WinUAE has higher compatibility, that's probably why.
@@UltimatePerfection well maybe, i have never experienced problems with Fs-uae.
Yay for Tyrian!!!
Dopus 4 was the first thing I installed on any new Amiga build back in the day, then MagicMenu, then NewIcons or Glowicons, .... Dopus 4 was a coverdisk in AF of CU Amiga I think. I tried and tried with Dopus 5 but couldn't get on with it. What is it like at networking with a real Amiga?
You could get a cheap used HP EliteDesk Mini, which comes with Windows 10 Home, and configure AmiKit X to launch in place of Explorer.exe so it goes straight to the Amiga desktop.
How do you do this
@@adsterchowyoutube3172 You can edit the default shell Windows boots to in the Registry. Do a search, there are plenty of detailed guides.
I've had no end of trouble trying to get AmiKit X onto a Mac. Even when I got around the macOS specific issues and got a 3.9 OS CD, it just fails after installation.
That's a meager experience.
Yes, Wow!