Huh, I never realized how common this issue is, and the fact that 2.0 vs 2.1 is loosely interchanged is problematic. Thanks for the great work you guys do and great quality video!
It's pretty amazing that there's organizations dedicated to naming stuff like this, USB, etc. and they somehow manage to get worse every year at conveying the same information.
So, basically, HDMI followed exact USB footstep with confusing naming scheme. Talk about corporate greed. Thank you, Rtings, for always informing us with details so that we can make our purchases smarter.
Personally I think it should it should be a law for all TV Company's to put the ACTUAL specifications on every box, like the actual SCREEN refresh rate, panel color bitrate, all supported resolutions, REAL FULL SCREEN max Brightness, supported HDR formats, actual RGB range for each mode, which type of backlight, which type of display panel, and VRR type. I mean it isnt that hard of a thing to implement. Just create an information checklist label that can be stickered or printed on each box. Drives me crazy when I see a tv that says it's "Mini LED" and "120HZ Motion Rate" inferring that is what type of screen it is when there still, to the best of my knowledge, has NEVER BEEN AN ACTUAL "Micro LED" home-consumer tv produced and sold. They use these confusing and misleading or even trademarked terms that resemble something else all together
I'm NOT usually a fan of MORE laws but, I AGREE It SHOULD BE required that a company is FULLY TRANSPARENT WITH the public about what features it's product supports !!!!
You guys do an awesome service. Your reviews helped me with my last TV purchase 2 years ago and I still really love that TV. Retiring a "certification" sounds like a load of bull. I wouldn't doubt there was an under the table deal for this nonsense.
I love informative videos like this! Thank you for making one. If you can come up with more, they would be most helpful. It's impossible to be a good consumer with all sorts of crazy information or misinformation out there.
Hi guys. Greetings from Australia. 🇦🇺 Thx so much for publishing this unbelievable situation on your channel. I first learnt of it from other reviewers some time ago but my experience is that very few consumers realise the consequences, nor are they aware of the extra knowledge and care they are now responsible for when buying a TV. Plainly it opens the door for confusion and deception. 👎 Having recently bought a TV my experience was that the sales assistant, brand sales rep nor the brand tech support team had any idea, ( well hopefully they didn't but I'm not sure. ) It is a complete mystery to most consumers as to how the HDMI Licencing Organisation came to this decision, ( I am not aware of any justification being published, ) but most would agree that it lacks solid logic and is very ill-advised. 🤯 The old system with HDMI 1.4B, 2.0 and 2.1 seemed to work well and " when it ain't broke, don't fix it". Cheers. 🍻
Thank you guys, I bought the ks8000 samsung tv a long time ago because of your review, and I am very happy with the tv; it is 2022 and it looks better that some newer models.
Yes, that TV is better than the entire 2022/2021 Samsung lineup up to the Q80 series. Obviously it won’t have the newest feature, but image quality wise you have a great TV.
I’m going to guess a lot of money was thrown at the HDMI licensing board by shady tv manufacturers to have the 2.0 standard retired specifically so they could get away with labeling cheap TV’s as HDMI 2.1 compliant.
Interesting that this video comes out this week. After splurging for an LG C2 and Samsung HWQ930b(thanks Rtings!) for my PS5, I grabbed a few 2.1 HDMI cables on cyber Monday from Amazon. While they had 15k great reviews it wasn’t until I bothered reading the 1 star reviews that I found that not all the Amazon cables supported 48 gbps and 120hz rates. Some even stated they ruined their tv with knockoff hdmi or cat8 cables. What a joke that they can get away with false advertising on such a basic thing.
It's already difficult to choose a tv without this bulls**t, it's incredible how unfair this process is becoming. I think here we got something not only unfair but also not legal.
Shame on the HDMI Licensing Board. Beat up on them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And don't relent. The more this board can be embarrassed as a feckless industry group, the less likely they will try to pull this off again
That's an absolutely brilliant message you make. Someone needs to create and maintain a database enumerating TVs, and what they are capable off. That can be YOU! Thank you for your (hard) work. UPDATE: Jesus cries. You are already there! THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
Anyone who knows about getting a better image from your 4k tv will tell you that 2.1 is the best. If you have dolby vision hdmr it will give a greater sense of picture and sound. So I will recommend that you check your tvs HDMI outlet to make sure you will get the best picture and sound.
You know, time was when you knowingly sold something by lying about its features, it was called "fraud." That used to be illegal. Ahhh, the good old days....
Unbelievable... who on earth thought this was possible to get away with. Even some HDMI cables come with a certified 48 bandwidth. So the manufacturer's are not having to certify the TV or Monitor existence of the parts they claim to have. This should be illegal and the certification should be reinstated immediately.
An organised consumer protection group needs to take HDMI Licensing Administrator and companies behind it to court, to be forced by judge to publish a robust specification and marketing guidelines that can be easily understood by consumers. Current situation is untenable and embarrassing.
Typical of electronics companies, hype some new tech but don't actually put into the devices because that would cost them more $ so just rip us off with mislabeling.
I contacted hisense & was told that the U7G 55” Supports VRR & 2.1 for both consoles. I was Lied to by hisense!!! VRR is supposed to works on series x according to users (haven’t tried it yet) & not my PS5. I SPENT an extra 150 just for VRR & it doesn’t work on my preferred console. It’s an insanely good picture and I choose fidelity over performance. I do hope when the standard fidelity is 60 f/sec that it can handle it or it’s time to replace our TV!!!😤
Thank You So Much!! i just found your channel , And i love your mission set To help the General public understand wgat we need or dont , what is a must have & what is not needed and overkill etc etc This is an amazing channel just subbed thanks for your work i really Appreachaite it
Love your work 👏🏻 How do we as consumers stop these technical standards from bastardising their versioning systems? Both USB IF and HDMI Forum have done this and they’re both probably the most common technical standards discussed and used nowadays. RTINGS could come up with a specification tick system but these things have to be licensed by manufacturers and they won’t do that because the confusion benefits them (ok so maybe one or two good manufacturers may be willing to pay doe these stickers/certifications but the point is not all would). Lol I hate to say it (coz I like to lean Libertarian on most matters) but this is where someone like the European Union comes in and just mandates a certification system lol but that would make each TV cost more and might only help EU consumers.
Bought an "HDMI 2.1 Certified" cable from Amazon. It came and I realized since the "8K" logo was a sticker (in the pics it was printed on) that the claimed bandwidth was probably bs. Imagine that, I plug into my 4k device and it wasn't supported. Amazon's response was to take down my review calling the cable a scam (and I was 100% correct). Don't buy cables from amazon. Most are not what they say. Buy them in person and have someone show you they work on the highest res TV in the store; especially if it's a $50+ cable.
Its funny that my QN700B from Samsung was advertised as not supporting 4K120hz as its 8K60hz however it does support both. Maybe a way of getting people just to buy the QN800B ?
Hey RTINGS! Love your content! 🙂 I have a burning question that needs a definitive and confident answer. If I intend to split my PS5s signal between an 4k 60hz TV, and a 1440p 120hz monitor (sometimes I wanna play spiderman/GT7 on TV vs competitive shooters on the monitor for fps)...my assumption is an HDMI splitter will create some additional unwanted input lag. Is this true? If so, is there a way to avoid all additional lag and still split the signal? Thanks in advance!!!
I think this issue needs addressing and it is commendable given that 95% of review publications fail to mention this issue. I also know from person experience that even with high-end gaming TVs there remains widespread compatibility issues as regards consoles, particularly the Xbox Series.
I'm pretty sure that false advertising is illegal. The prosecutors of today do not do their jobs,... or they are taking bribes from these criminal corporations.
How does a person check if the TV's labeled HDMI 2.1 ports are actually that? Also, great content but you didn't mention what companies advertise 2.1 that aren't 2.1. List them please.
Seems like nobody knows how to make a standard these days. We are on the 8th USB 3.2 standard it feels like and so many things are optional without a badge to indicate it.
In short buy most of top LG TV products like Qned90 or C1 C2, you can never go wrong when it comes to gaming features or Samsung neoQled have best of both worlds movie’s & gaming.
These new name schemes sucks, they did same thing with USB4. Allow manufacturers to claim they are USB4 or HDMI 2.1 while supporting just a subset of all the features it can have. How to fix this?
This was why it took me so long to upgrade my 10 year old HD tv lol I saw the market for 4K uhd tvs go for a real good price but they truly don’t support 4K, was able to snag a Samsung QLED with true 2.1 for a good price so glad I did that and did my research lol
This was a terrible change. Talk about lies and deception, the organization should be either force out of existence or re-organized. I am surprised the EU allowed this to happen. When is a turkey not a turkey, when no one stops paying attention, then it becomes a donkey.
I usually have to watch some videos from a channel first before I decide whether or not to subscribe. When I heard rtings had a channel I was able to skip right to the subscribe.
This seems like the type of question that has an obvious answer, but why do both HDMI and DisplayPort need to continue to exist? Yes, they serve broadly different markets, but... don't they technically serve the same _purpose_ ? Is it an ecosystem thing?
Thanks, agree and we have an interesting notice: we are paying as needed for the best possible visuals but when my LG 120hz with HDMI 2.1 2021 model (all checks work on Xbox Series X) in low latency mode turn of some picture processing and it is noticable worse to look. Why no one mention it as everyone just playing fast competitive multiplayer quickies. We want slow detailed playing with enjoying in our expensive TV picture with the best possible visuals without any compromise and what we get - many advanced options turned of with auto low latency mode and VRR so no NO thanks we are going for the best possible visuals
And Some Tvs do have hdmi 2.1 ports and their internal processor doesnot capable of handling that .. like TVs with MediaTek SoC , that halfs the resolution @ 120hz input ( 3840 × 1080p instead of 3840 × 2160p).. this is big fake scam .. Sony X85k , 85j , Hisense U8H , U7H , U7G, U8G , TCL C835 miniled etc..
Different companies have been arguing over that question for decades, and there’s no right answer answer unfortunately. Ultimately, you should set it to whatever looks best to you, but It’ll vary between content and even depending on your lighting conditions when you’re watching. 2.2 or 2.4 is generally accepted as the best overall, but again, some stuff is mastered lower and Apple has sworn by 1.8 gamma for decades.
I had my eye on an LG Nano886, which supposedly ticks all the boxes, hdmi 2.1. The only thing that was putting me off was the panel, which is edge lit, and poor local dimming. But for 750 euro it seemed like good value for a gaming tv. After watching this I'm even more sceptical. I know oled is the best for picture quality and features, but panel life is the issue with oled TV's. I've heard that 5 years is the most you can expect to get out of an oled panel if you're lucky. It's a bit of a conundrum alright.
There’s so much confusion with this…I hear that hdmi 2.1 is backwards compatible with hdmi 2.0…I have a Samsung NU55MU8500 sit’s 4K@60Hz. So I’m assuming that it’s only capable of hdmi 2.0 from what you’re saying.
Ive got Sades Erebus M60 and it's written on the box that it supports HDMI 2.1; however the PS5 says that my TV doesn't support vrr. If this is not fraud, I don't know what is! And yes I'm using the ps5 cable and done all the settings but still no vrr
I'm pretty tired of specs being so needlessly flexible. Either you support the spec, or you don't. If the new spec you want to create implements too many features that you don't want to drag everyone through the mud with. Then how about you just, don't implement them, or, crazy idea... Release more than one spec! I get it, I don't need eARC in my monitors, being optional is nice. But why isn't there simply a non-home entertainment spec of HDMI 2.1 that the devices can target? I'm just baffled. Part of me wonders if low-end manufacturers lobbied HDMI to keep device differences low-key.
Have expectations for there slated flagship QD-OLED slated for this year supposed offer wide range gaming Dolby gaming and HDR gaming at 120hz with true native 4k support and rumor support IMAX tech. Are we being lied to again not bothering with tv your gaming system which support such things?
So there are two different TVs we looked at on retailer sites in the video that have advertised HDMI 2.1 support but only have 60Hz panels (the Hisense U6H and the Vizio M6 Series Quantum 2022). Both TVs are currently being used in our Longevity Test though so we didn't want to disrupt that for filming purposes. As far as we're aware at the time of writing this comment, none of the 2022 LG TVs advertise HDMI 2.1 support that don't actually have all the features we talked about!
my samsung qn95b has this weird issue where from my windows pc i can't get anything else than 144hz to work in 1440p or 4k, any other refresh rate makes my tv say there is so signal, super frustrating as a lot of games force 60hz when launching, i have to do lots of workarounds, typical samsung stupidity which they could fix with firmware but just gives zero manure about fixing since they already sold the tv they don't care about you as a customer since they already have your money from mac i can do anything from 23.976 to 60 no issue
My qn90b can do 1440p 60hz, but only on my old PC and work laptop with hdmi 2.0. My newer laptop with 2.1 allows 100, 120 and 144hz, but I can force 1440p 60hz by using a USB C adapter with HDMI 1.4. 1440p 60hz is listed in the qn95b manual, but not with VRR. Maybe you need to disable gsync/freesync first.
I am an owner of a LG C2 65inch oled with 4 HDMI 2.1 but....everytime i fire up my Xbox x i get the screen that says, NO SIGNAL on my tv. Then i go to the menu that says hdmi deep color and chanching the 4K to 4K of! Then the picture returns. Then i press 4K back on and the 4K returns. Then i can play games. Also the LG tv can show DOLBY VISION this happens at the same time so maybe the error is to be find in that section
The Hisense U8H and TCL 5 Series S555 would be our top picks! www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/ps5 Madpistol is right about the LG C2 but if you want a 55" LG C2, it's currently listed around $1299, so a little more out of your budget.
@@RTINGSdotcom thanks for the help guys! Knew about the top two just didn’t w/budget tv’s that were actually 4K HDMI 2.1. I will be checking out the link…are all of those for the PS5 reliable HDMI 2.1’s & not fake?
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Hi Michael, thanks for the suggestion. We'll make sure to pass this along to our video team to keep in mind. However, it's also worth mentioning that even though we may not always publish a video, we do put a lot of reviews up on our website! www.rtings.com/laptop
The fact a video like this even needs to exist means the standards body has failed.
Huh, I never realized how common this issue is, and the fact that 2.0 vs 2.1 is loosely interchanged is problematic. Thanks for the great work you guys do and great quality video!
It's pretty amazing that there's organizations dedicated to naming stuff like this, USB, etc. and they somehow manage to get worse every year at conveying the same information.
So, basically, HDMI followed exact USB footstep with confusing naming scheme.
Talk about corporate greed.
Thank you, Rtings, for always informing us with details so that we can make our purchases smarter.
Personally I think it should it should be a law for all TV Company's to put the ACTUAL specifications on every box, like the actual SCREEN refresh rate, panel color bitrate, all supported resolutions, REAL FULL SCREEN max Brightness, supported HDR formats, actual RGB range for each mode, which type of backlight, which type of display panel, and VRR type. I mean it isnt that hard of a thing to implement. Just create an information checklist label that can be stickered or printed on each box. Drives me crazy when I see a tv that says it's "Mini LED" and "120HZ Motion Rate" inferring that is what type of screen it is when there still, to the best of my knowledge, has NEVER BEEN AN ACTUAL "Micro LED" home-consumer tv produced and sold. They use these confusing and misleading or even trademarked terms that resemble something else all together
@stryfetc1 Yeah yeah I know. Sad part is it would prbably INCREASE profits for all the TV manufacturers
I'm NOT usually a fan of MORE laws but,
I AGREE
It SHOULD BE required that a company is FULLY TRANSPARENT WITH the public
about what features
it's product supports !!!!
Tell that to the monopoly everyone supports
You guys do an awesome service. Your reviews helped me with my last TV purchase 2 years ago and I still really love that TV. Retiring a "certification" sounds like a load of bull. I wouldn't doubt there was an under the table deal for this nonsense.
Crazy that manufacturers get away with this. Never ran into this issue but I'm glad your sharing this information, very helpful for many folks!
Damn, official certification basically allows flat out lying at this point. Thank you so much for clarifying!
USB official certification is even worse. I mean, the entire reason they have certification is to stop this crap.
As the saying goes... "If it looks too good to be true, it is." Check the specs and make sure HDMI 2.1 w/ 4K120 is listed.
I love informative videos like this! Thank you for making one. If you can come up with more, they would be most helpful. It's impossible to be a good consumer with all sorts of crazy information or misinformation out there.
Hi guys. Greetings from Australia. 🇦🇺
Thx so much for publishing this unbelievable situation on your channel. I first learnt of it from other reviewers some time ago but my experience is that very few consumers realise the consequences, nor are they aware of the extra knowledge and care they are now responsible for when buying a TV.
Plainly it opens the door for confusion and deception. 👎
Having recently bought a TV my experience was that the sales assistant, brand sales rep nor the brand tech support team had any idea, ( well hopefully they didn't but I'm not sure. )
It is a complete mystery to most consumers as to how the HDMI Licencing Organisation came to this decision, ( I am not aware of any justification being published, ) but most would agree that it lacks solid logic and is very ill-advised. 🤯
The old system with HDMI 1.4B, 2.0 and 2.1 seemed to work well and " when it ain't broke, don't fix it".
Cheers. 🍻
Thank you guys, I bought the ks8000 samsung tv a long time ago because of your review, and I am very happy with the tv; it is 2022 and it looks better that some newer models.
Yes, that TV is better than the entire 2022/2021 Samsung lineup up to the Q80 series. Obviously it won’t have the newest feature, but image quality wise you have a great TV.
I’m going to guess a lot of money was thrown at the HDMI licensing board by shady tv manufacturers to have the 2.0 standard retired specifically so they could get away with labeling cheap TV’s as HDMI 2.1 compliant.
That's why when I'm interested in a tv, I first check rtings to see if it's meeting all the requirements I'm looking for.
Interesting that this video comes out this week. After splurging for an LG C2 and Samsung HWQ930b(thanks Rtings!) for my PS5, I grabbed a few 2.1 HDMI cables on cyber Monday from Amazon. While they had 15k great reviews it wasn’t until I bothered reading the 1 star reviews that I found that not all the Amazon cables supported 48 gbps and 120hz rates. Some even stated they ruined their tv with knockoff hdmi or cat8 cables. What a joke that they can get away with false advertising on such a basic thing.
That's not confusion, that's lying!
Seems like the tv manufacturers greased the right palms to be able to mislead consumers without consequence. Welcome to America!
Thanks for the heads up ….. such a sham. I’ll definitely do my research before purchase :)
That's when you grab that return slip & head straight back to the purchasing store & return that TV !!
Full refund!!
It's already difficult to choose a tv without this bulls**t, it's incredible how unfair this process is becoming. I think here we got something not only unfair but also not legal.
Shame on the HDMI Licensing Board. Beat up on them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And don't relent. The more this board can be embarrassed as a feckless industry group, the less likely they will try to pull this off again
HDMI went USB on us.
That's an absolutely brilliant message you make.
Someone needs to create and maintain a database enumerating TVs, and what they are capable off. That can be YOU!
Thank you for your (hard) work.
UPDATE: Jesus cries. You are already there! THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
RTINGS is the only source i trust for display device information
Thanks, as always.. thank you
Anyone who knows about getting a better image from your 4k tv will tell you that 2.1 is the best. If you have dolby vision hdmr it will give a greater sense of picture and sound. So I will recommend that you check your tvs HDMI outlet to make sure you will get the best picture and sound.
Hell! They don't tell you whats in your food. You think they going to tell us whats in our TVs? Great video
You know, time was when you knowingly sold something by lying about its features, it was called "fraud." That used to be illegal. Ahhh, the good old days....
Unbelievable... who on earth thought this was possible to get away with. Even some HDMI cables come with a certified 48 bandwidth. So the manufacturer's are not having to certify the TV or Monitor existence of the parts they claim to have. This should be illegal and the certification should be reinstated immediately.
An organised consumer protection group needs to take HDMI Licensing Administrator and companies behind it to court, to be forced by judge to publish a robust specification and marketing guidelines that can be easily understood by consumers. Current situation is untenable and embarrassing.
Typical of electronics companies, hype some new tech but don't actually put into the devices because that would cost them more $ so just rip us off with mislabeling.
Great info. I really wish you guys did more videos and maybe even some longer ones. I enjoy your content, especially on tv reviews.
We’re hoping to start posting more frequently in the new year, so stay tuned!
Yes they need to keep these manufacturers honest!
They need to reinstate the requirement. Consumers cannot trust any manufacturer now and the HDMI board has trashed its credibility.
I contacted hisense & was told that the U7G 55” Supports VRR & 2.1 for both consoles. I was Lied to by hisense!!! VRR is supposed to works on series x according to users (haven’t tried it yet) & not my PS5. I SPENT an extra 150 just for VRR & it doesn’t work on my preferred console. It’s an insanely good picture and I choose fidelity over performance. I do hope when the standard fidelity is 60 f/sec that it can handle it or it’s time to replace our TV!!!😤
Thank You So Much!! i just found your channel , And i love your mission set
To help the General public understand wgat we need or dont , what is a must have & what is not needed and overkill etc etc
This is an amazing channel just subbed thanks for your work i really Appreachaite it
Appreciate the info. Disheartening marketing, I bought a new tv with HDMI 2.1 in mind for sure
Good question people might decide to sue TV manufacturers about 2.1 support.
Love your work 👏🏻
How do we as consumers stop these technical standards from bastardising their versioning systems? Both USB IF and HDMI Forum have done this and they’re both probably the most common technical standards discussed and used nowadays.
RTINGS could come up with a specification tick system but these things have to be licensed by manufacturers and they won’t do that because the confusion benefits them (ok so maybe one or two good manufacturers may be willing to pay doe these stickers/certifications but the point is not all would).
Lol I hate to say it (coz I like to lean Libertarian on most matters) but this is where someone like the European Union comes in and just mandates a certification system lol but that would make each TV cost more and might only help EU consumers.
Consumer's should file a Class action suit against HDMI licensing authority!
Bought an "HDMI 2.1 Certified" cable from Amazon. It came and I realized since the "8K" logo was a sticker (in the pics it was printed on) that the claimed bandwidth was probably bs. Imagine that, I plug into my 4k device and it wasn't supported. Amazon's response was to take down my review calling the cable a scam (and I was 100% correct). Don't buy cables from amazon. Most are not what they say. Buy them in person and have someone show you they work on the highest res TV in the store; especially if it's a $50+ cable.
Marketing is our all.)) Now HDMI 2.1 mean's nothing.
Its funny that my QN700B from Samsung was advertised as not supporting 4K120hz as its 8K60hz however it does support both. Maybe a way of getting people just to buy the QN800B ?
Possibly. Samsung also upgraded my old Q90R to where HDMI 4 does 4K120 w/ HDR and VRR on the PS5, so it's very possible.
Hey RTINGS! Love your content! 🙂 I have a burning question that needs a definitive and confident answer. If I intend to split my PS5s signal between an 4k 60hz TV, and a 1440p 120hz monitor (sometimes I wanna play spiderman/GT7 on TV vs competitive shooters on the monitor for fps)...my assumption is an HDMI splitter will create some additional unwanted input lag. Is this true? If so, is there a way to avoid all additional lag and still split the signal? Thanks in advance!!!
I think this issue needs addressing and it is commendable given that 95% of review publications fail to mention this issue. I also know from person experience that even with high-end gaming TVs there remains widespread compatibility issues as regards consoles, particularly the Xbox Series.
I hope this helps people. I really scummy for hdmi certification to do this.
Man y’all can’t tell me he don’t look like big white guy from Cobra Kai 😂😂🤣🤣
It should be clear for the consumer .
Selling a TV with fake 2.1 should be illegal. It's false advertising
I'm pretty sure that false advertising is illegal. The prosecutors of today do not do their jobs,... or they are taking bribes from these criminal corporations.
How does a person check if the TV's labeled HDMI 2.1 ports are actually that?
Also, great content but you didn't mention what companies advertise 2.1 that aren't 2.1.
List them please.
Our experts are happy to answer your questions via the forums on our website! www.rtings.com/forums
Seems like nobody knows how to make a standard these days. We are on the 8th USB 3.2 standard it feels like and so many things are optional without a badge to indicate it.
This was the stupidest move by the hdmi standards body. Of course the manufacturer’s marketing dept we’re going to use this flaw
In short buy most of top LG TV products like Qned90 or C1 C2, you can never go wrong when it comes to gaming features or Samsung neoQled have best of both worlds movie’s & gaming.
Great PSA. Unbelievable they get to claim 2.1 when it doesn't support 48GB. Wow
Technically, it would be False Advertising.
Hasn't been legal in USA since 1914.
This reminds me of USB-IF and their nonsense with the USB 3.x nomenclature, but is somehow actually *worse*
These new name schemes sucks, they did same thing with USB4. Allow manufacturers to claim they are USB4 or HDMI 2.1 while supporting just a subset of all the features it can have. How to fix this?
This was why it took me so long to upgrade my 10 year old HD tv lol I saw the market for 4K uhd tvs go for a real good price but they truly don’t support 4K, was able to snag a Samsung QLED with true 2.1 for a good price so glad I did that and did my research lol
This was a terrible change. Talk about lies and deception, the organization should be either force out of existence or re-organized. I am surprised the EU allowed this to happen. When is a turkey not a turkey, when no one stops paying attention, then it becomes a donkey.
This video is 3 years to late this should came up when the Q90R from samsung was releas.
I usually have to watch some videos from a channel first before I decide whether or not to subscribe. When I heard rtings had a channel I was able to skip right to the subscribe.
What is the point about compliance if it means nothing?
This seems like the type of question that has an obvious answer, but why do both HDMI and DisplayPort need to continue to exist? Yes, they serve broadly different markets, but... don't they technically serve the same _purpose_ ? Is it an ecosystem thing?
There are some bandwidth limitations as well. In some cases, displayport will work at higher refresh rates than HDMI!
Easy solution///buy a LG OLED ///now you have the best gaming tv on the market.......period
Thanks, agree and we have an interesting notice: we are paying as needed for the best possible visuals but when my LG 120hz with HDMI 2.1 2021 model (all checks work on Xbox Series X) in low latency mode turn of some picture processing and it is noticable worse to look. Why no one mention it as everyone just playing fast competitive multiplayer quickies. We want slow detailed playing with enjoying in our expensive TV picture with the best possible visuals without any compromise and what we get - many advanced options turned of with auto low latency mode and VRR so no NO thanks we are going for the best possible visuals
Way to go! . . . Awesome focus.
I didn't know about any of this. I def lucked out when I bought the Sony X90J (even with its software issues).
And Some Tvs do have hdmi 2.1 ports and their internal processor doesnot capable of handling that .. like TVs with MediaTek SoC , that halfs the resolution @ 120hz input ( 3840 × 1080p instead of 3840 × 2160p).. this is big fake scam .. Sony X85k , 85j , Hisense U8H , U7H , U7G, U8G , TCL C835 miniled etc..
It all depends on the processor, doesnt it, Shea?I've got a Sony 50" which cost me a lot in(Au$) but I'm happy for my Atmos AVR
Thanks for doing these. Keep up the great work.
Rtings, please, tell me, what is the best gamma for gaming? Samsung tv. 2.2 or bt. 1886?
Different companies have been arguing over that question for decades, and there’s no right answer answer unfortunately. Ultimately, you should set it to whatever looks best to you, but It’ll vary between content and even depending on your lighting conditions when you’re watching. 2.2 or 2.4 is generally accepted as the best overall, but again, some stuff is mastered lower and Apple has sworn by 1.8 gamma for decades.
Very well done video. Thank you
This is the reason why I've gone LG and won't go back, Sony and Samsung like to pull this shit as well on their top tier TVs. It's unacceptable
Yup we need a clear rating and go back to the real ratings of HDMI cables simple
Thank you for making this video!
I had my eye on an LG Nano886, which supposedly ticks all the boxes, hdmi 2.1. The only thing that was putting me off was the panel, which is edge lit, and poor local dimming. But for 750 euro it seemed like good value for a gaming tv. After watching this I'm even more sceptical. I know oled is the best for picture quality and features, but panel life is the issue with oled TV's. I've heard that 5 years is the most you can expect to get out of an oled panel if you're lucky. It's a bit of a conundrum alright.
Great TV, only problem is you might want to switch local dimming to off.
Looks like they took a page from the USB group handbook eh
There’s so much confusion with this…I hear that hdmi 2.1 is backwards compatible with hdmi 2.0…I have a Samsung NU55MU8500 sit’s 4K@60Hz. So I’m assuming that it’s only capable of hdmi 2.0 from what you’re saying.
Well done Shea👍
There is enough bandwidth on HDMI 2.0 to run 4k 120Hz or 60Hz with HDR, but you can't run 120Hz and HDR at the same time.
Does it says 4k uhd , 144hz , or the advertiser said lnly hdmi 2.1
Ive got Sades Erebus M60 and it's written on the box that it supports HDMI 2.1; however the PS5 says that my TV doesn't support vrr. If this is not fraud, I don't know what is! And yes I'm using the ps5 cable and done all the settings but still no vrr
Same thing about HDR
Sounds just like what’s happening with USB4.
This is similar to USB 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.2 Gen2, 3.2, etc.
I'm pretty tired of specs being so needlessly flexible. Either you support the spec, or you don't. If the new spec you want to create implements too many features that you don't want to drag everyone through the mud with. Then how about you just, don't implement them, or, crazy idea... Release more than one spec!
I get it, I don't need eARC in my monitors, being optional is nice. But why isn't there simply a non-home entertainment spec of HDMI 2.1 that the devices can target?
I'm just baffled. Part of me wonders if low-end manufacturers lobbied HDMI to keep device differences low-key.
Have expectations for there slated flagship QD-OLED slated for this year supposed offer wide range gaming Dolby gaming and HDR gaming at 120hz with true native 4k support and rumor support IMAX tech. Are we being lied to again not bothering with tv your gaming system which support such things?
So which tv were you showingcasing there? An Lg?
So there are two different TVs we looked at on retailer sites in the video that have advertised HDMI 2.1 support but only have 60Hz panels (the Hisense U6H and the Vizio M6 Series Quantum 2022).
Both TVs are currently being used in our Longevity Test though so we didn't want to disrupt that for filming purposes. As far as we're aware at the time of writing this comment, none of the 2022 LG TVs advertise HDMI 2.1 support that don't actually have all the features we talked about!
@@RTINGSdotcom What about the LG Nanocell 85 series 2020?
my samsung qn95b has this weird issue where from my windows pc i can't get anything else than 144hz to work in 1440p or 4k, any other refresh rate makes my tv say there is so signal, super frustrating as a lot of games force 60hz when launching, i have to do lots of workarounds, typical samsung stupidity which they could fix with firmware but just gives zero manure about fixing since they already sold the tv they don't care about you as a customer since they already have your money
from mac i can do anything from 23.976 to 60 no issue
My qn90b can do 1440p 60hz, but only on my old PC and work laptop with hdmi 2.0. My newer laptop with 2.1 allows 100, 120 and 144hz, but I can force 1440p 60hz by using a USB C adapter with HDMI 1.4.
1440p 60hz is listed in the qn95b manual, but not with VRR. Maybe you need to disable gsync/freesync first.
That's false advertising.
Does that mean that fake HDMI 2.1 will not support 8k
I am an owner of a LG C2 65inch oled with 4 HDMI 2.1 but....everytime i fire up my Xbox x i get the screen that says, NO SIGNAL on my tv.
Then i go to the menu that says hdmi deep color and chanching the 4K to 4K of! Then the picture returns.
Then i press 4K back on and the 4K returns.
Then i can play games.
Also the LG tv can show DOLBY VISION this happens at the same time so maybe the error is to be find in that section
Thoughts on lg nano96
I have a PS5…tell which TV has best support…budget friendly or around $1,000-$1,200 please?
If that's USD, an LG C2 hits that mark and supports everything.
The Hisense U8H and TCL 5 Series S555 would be our top picks! www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/ps5
Madpistol is right about the LG C2 but if you want a 55" LG C2, it's currently listed around $1299, so a little more out of your budget.
@@RTINGSdotcom What about the LG Nanocell 85 series 2020?
@@RTINGSdotcom thanks for the help guys!
Knew about the top two just didn’t w/budget tv’s that were actually 4K HDMI 2.1.
I will be checking out the link…are all of those for the PS5 reliable HDMI 2.1’s & not fake?
@@madpistol yes, USD. Thanks for the recommendation.
Hello. Please help me find a FHD monitor that works in 60Hz with a very good input lag and response time, without ghosting, thank you!
Hi there I have the new hitachi 58 4k but the hdmi 2.1 is not supported
please review LG 27GR75Q
We’ll definitely consider it if there’s enough user interest at any point!
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Hi Michael, thanks for the suggestion.
We'll make sure to pass this along to our video team to keep in mind. However, it's also worth mentioning that even though we may not always publish a video, we do put a lot of reviews up on our website! www.rtings.com/laptop
Ridiculous change. HDMI 2.1 should support the current spec it was developed for!
i printed a new HDMI 2.4 label
it works for hdmi 2.1 fine now, although anything in 8k is a fairytale