Ford Gains Access To The Tesla Supercharger Network! Join Me As The First To Plug In
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- Kyle is the first to charge on the Tesla Supercharger Networking using the Fast Charging Adapter provided by Ford! He has a F-150 Lightning and a prototype NACS / J3400 adapter, let's charge.
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Check out our podcast with Robert from Ford for even more details! th-cam.com/video/36ibZoUuiCE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=66otwxnV71LtKIrb
Can we get a spirited test drive kyle please! Is it better than mach e?
Thanks Kyle. I am going to get my Ford F-150 Lightning.
We tested ours on our etransit. Worked great!
Kyle, congrats! I look forward to seeing your road-trip. Thanks for all you promote.
The Tesla driver they parked next to you was not nosing by you foe no reason. He was just parking next to you to make sure once you left that he could pull in to your spot to charge. If he parked further away then other cars needing to charge would not notice that he had been waiting and would pull into the spot you left before he got there.
Very glad you got this opportunity to broadcast this event!
Man Kyle is doing all the EV releases for these companies. I love it. I prefer it over the cheesy manufacturer videos. Very informative as always, thanks Kyle
I find them rather misleading. Take the cybertruck test as example. He claims it was done at 45F where it was 38-45F which reduces range by 20% compared to EPA 68-86F spec
Then he did it at 700ft instead of 4000ft for the rivian and f150. Reduction of 20% resistance due to thinner air at higher elevation
Then he compares it to EPA and claims Tesla never makes it claimed range. This is so misleading as it is not claimed range but EPA estimate based on tests at EPA specification.
Then his test are done at 70MPH not 48MPH average EPA speed.
Fine if you like to do a test at 70MPH but don't compare it to the given EPA range
But anyway, I don't beleive this is because he is a bit dumb and don't know how to do a test properly. I beleive it is misleading and I know that Ford pays billions in marketing, would it not be easy to give this guy a few pennies and he is happy to slightly mislead here and there..... we will probably never know but his tests stinks.
@@bartdeking Kyle explained all the adverse factors in that Cybertruck range test, including altitude, tires, ambient temps, and more. Kyle also explained that he'd be repeating the test in Colorado as soon as he gets a chance, to better match his standard 70mph tests.
Out of Spec has done dozens of tests at 70mph across different models and brands, for cross comparison. Why 70mph and not mixed 48mph? It's because that's a real world speed, across long distances, where consumers start developing range anxiety.
For someone who's never posted an EV range test video, along with explaining your methodology and rationale, then criticizing the consistent detailed testing premises given by Kyle and his entire OOS team, I'm afraid your the one sounding a bit dumb.
@lv_q3259 @lv_q3259 you don't seem to read my comment properly.
1, I have not problem if they do a 70mph test to give consumers an idea how much range they get on a road trip but DO NOT compare it to the range specified according to EPA specifications given on the tesla website. DO NOT even mention it since it is misleading as it presents like Tesla is lying or not giving a correct range. This is not true.
EPA was initially intended to give an average consumption for average driving NOT a how far do I het on a long road trip I make twice a year test.
In other word you can not say, I drove 70mph in 42F and got 256mi which is lower than the 318 specified by tesla. Simply because the 318mi is specified at EPA test specifications with an average of 48MPH and 68-86F.
Likely it would add 5-10% extra range if you would test it at the same temperatures the rivian and f150 was tested.
2, Yes he mentioned 700ft but instead of 4000ft but why did he at the end of the video not correct for it. He could have said, the distance was 256 miles but with known data that 700ft vs 4000ft elevation difference we need to correct it by 20% to be able to compare it with the F150 and rivian which likely comes around 307mi if we would compare it in similar conditions
3, he mentioned indeed that the temperature was 45F and was used by ALL other media as the temperature for the test. However, if you bothered checking the video in detail and do some fact checking than you can see that temperatures are 38-45F mostly around 41-42F
On your last comment, I would indeed only do a comparison test in the same conditions and when someone plays games on TH-cam I am happy to point this out and wish that everyone would see how misleading the out of spec channel is.
The narrative set is that CT is worse in range than rivian and f150 but in reality this is simply not true. Especially when it comes to wh/mi
Yes he promised another video where he would do the test properly but it is yet to come and the misleading narrative has been set already.
Anyone else watch this and immediately yell "SHUT UP AND PLUG IT IN!!!!!" 🙂 Love ya Kyle...ordered mine this morning!
First 7 minutes was a waste of time.
@@melvinholland9656You must be new here.
🤣@@jayem8981
Yeah someone is new here
He talks a lot. Always. It is better than silent videos. And you can always skip ahead about a third of every video.
Congratulations Kyle on the 'ribbon cutting'. Big step forward in North America
I love how we have someone passionate about what they do, which of course makes them good at it, in the perfect job. Been watching years and he never fails to keep me watching.
True if you are doing what you love you are never really working. Kyle is the best example of this
Race to Vegas is going to be competitive now!
You are right! Kyle needs to do another one now that SC is open.
We still have to wait for other auto manufacturers to enable it. And it rules out 800v cars
@@wasabi521😂too bad, North American manage unitfied the Charging standard just in time to falls one generation behind.
The Supercharger network can't fix the charging curve on the Mach-E.
@@wasabi521 Until stations start getting upgraded to V4.
Kyle would have been the first to use the adapter..... But by the time he actually used it, he was number 50 to use it. Lol 😆
I love watching Kyle nerd out on this stuff.
Best EV Content on YT, very detailed real world info.. Props!!
Congrats Kyle!
And even better that Ford picked the right person to be the first charging customer. Well done everyone!
Unfortunately, the NACS standard only applies to the plug, it also needs to dictate the location of the charging port. Having an eV take up 2 spots on a busy location is going to cause trouble.
Yeah.
It's a real shame the CCS Consortium didn't make "let's decide on a standard port location" the second order of business after "Who wants coffee" In their first meeting in.... (from memory) 2010?
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Instead it seems to have been a case of "just use the same location as the Fuel port on the cars you're converting"
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smh
I think Tesla will be moving their charge port to the front. How are you supposed to charge a tesla while towing?
Using the pull in stall that is taken by someone too lazy to back in most times. Or pull across several at the end. Enduring nasty looks until the person looks around to see you're towing. Or unhook. All fun. "Need pull through charging" is my comment whenever they ask for feedback. Gas stations figured this out decades ago. @@vladimus9749
@@vladimus9749 If that was even slightly likely to be true, Cybertruck would have a charge port in the front. So, that is a no. To charge while towing, you unhitch, or use pull-through charging stalls.
@@geirmyrvagnes8718 Unhitching is a non starter for anyone who tows regularly. How common are Tesla pull through stalls? Are there some at each station?
Hay thank you for the shout out! This was such an incredibly exciting day! We were up at 4:30am to be ready for it all and we're still so energized from all this! Loved seeing your excitement from across the country too! Its NACS day baby!!! ⚡ - Liv
I think we need to get Kyle a hoodie with a tux silkscreened on the front for events like this.
Great work Ford & Tesla. 🤝 🏆 It really shows Ford cares about their customers, and Tesla cares about supporting the transition
It really shows Ford thought "We *HAVE* to do it because we're losing business sticking with CCS"
Wow! Awesome of ford to have you guys be the first to plug in! Certainly a huge step for EVs and an even bigger step for reliable DCFC.
Plug and Charge is huge!
I hope Volvo/Polestar also support it from the get go as well...
My concern as well. My understanding is the P2 and XC40 don’t have the hardware to do ISO 1811 or whatever it’s called. We’re going to need to either activate in the app, or Tesla will need to auth via MAC addreess
Great review Kyle! I drove my Lightning across the USA this past July (2023). I hit 44 states in 3 weeks and put 10000 miles on my Lightning. I started in Texas and went to the west coast, across to the east coast and back to Texas. I charged mostly at EA chargers and that was a cluster f**k! I rate my experience at EA a 4 out of 10! This new adapter will make road tripping much easier and enjoyable. Good luck on your trip across the USA.
I'm happy for your pending road trip life improvement. I hope we can somehow track how much different roadtripping will be for you once you have the adapter.
Super excited! Ordered my adapter this morning! And yes, I agree, they do need to add charging speed to the driver's display.
Do you order it from Tesla, or from Ford?
Kudos to Ford. Farley is more honest about his EV deficits than the rest of the legacy makers which encourages me to believe that Ford will be making sincere and transparent improvements. Tesla tech will be hard to catch up to, but if anyone is being forthright about the challenge, it is Ford. I hope they can get a better handle on quality and cost issues quickly. They deserve to be leaders in this game.
Thanks for the heads up (saw your interview with "Robert")! Just ordered my adapter for my Lightning. We'll see how it goes!
While I appreciate Kyle's enthusiasm but goodness, he took almost 10 minutes of non stop talking before finally started using the charger!
dude has a talent for extending 3-minute content into a 1-hour video
I skip a lot of videos by him and others for this reason. They could all learn a lesson in editing by watching 60 Minutes.
A big honor for you. Congratulations
Kyle, what happens if you park with the parking space line in the middle of the truck instead of parking in between the lines of the parking space? Will the cable reach then? This would alleviate the fact that Ford vehicles block two chargers when they charge at a Supercharger. They could just repaint the lane lines then and you would never have chargers go wasted because a CCS1 vehicle was blocking them.
The cables at those existing stations are only JUST long enough to reach the way it's now parked. New Supercharger stations will have longer cables and/or pull-through parking. I expect some growing pains as this transitions, but in a year or so, I'd expect all this to be sorted out.
If you park how Kyle did, then say another ford comes in they can park to the left spot and do the same thing. It’s not like every vehicle that shows up needs to occupy two spots.
I have a 2023 Polestar 2, located in CT and as a Polestar owner it’s just great to see this big step in progress!! I believe this really will solve more of those “range anxiety” concerns when going on bigger trips, and can’t wait for Polestar to also join in here. Love your content as always!
I’m so stoked for you, Kyle! Definitely feeling the excitement of this moment!
Awesome news for all non-Tesla EV owners. Tesla has to change the length of the charge cables or else, it's going to cause some issues when cars will take 2 parking spots.
Other manufacture's have to move their charge port to the ideal location that way there will be problems with cars taking 2 spots.
Regarding the taking up 2 spots problem, Ford owners should keep this in mind when visiting a V3 Tesla Supercharger and if they have one that is positioned for front pull in at the edge, which I've seen at several locations, use that spot if available, as it's the one spot where you can probably safely park and charge without taking up more than 1 parking spot (you'll be poking your butt out of the spot by quite a bit, but if it's at the edge and doesn't block traffic, it's the best option).
We need a picture or a diagram that can be shared. I have a Tesla and a EV with the plug location in about the same spot and I don't actually get what you're saying. So a picture or something a link would clarify this
Why doesn't Tesla assign chargers on the app?
@@vladimus9749 because you might not show up, you might be delayed. Someone else might need one. They do need a solution for long lines, there's no official "lineup place" at superchargers (don't know if the giant 100+ ones in California have this but normal 20 unit ones don't have it).
@@lattelandlatteland Still, seems like a good UX team focusing on human factors engineering could come up with a system better than a free for all. I'm surprised there's not even a designated queue at busy chargers. Costco and Sam's Club have queues for their pumps because they are always busy. Seems like a huge miss for a company so focused on using tech and their app to solve problems.
Watch Out of Spec Reviews "Ultimate Tesla Supercharger Stress Test Free EV Charging for Everyone in Europe" video, it will enlighten you.@@lattelandlatteland
Another great video! This is the best TH-cam channel for EV content. I can’t wait for the Lighting road trip videos utilizing the Supercharger network. I also can’t wait for the 2024 ID.4 video and all the nerdy stats that will be included. Keep up the great work Kyle and everyone at Out of Spec!
They got in before that "February 2024" deadline!
just barely lol
They were lucky it was a leap year :)
They sure did. Applaud Ford for getting it done.
Billions of dollars in EV investment, staff, factories, marketing but young Kyle is the spokesman for all of it. Wild
Government stole most of it, test to instal a charger
Fantastic work Ford.... i really appreciate what this will do to lightning drivers
In New Jersey… with a Lightning… and a NACS adapter… where’s Tom? 😂😂😂
Tom was busy with his electric snowblower and missed Ford's call, so they called Kyle 😂
@@Techridr😂
He’ll be posting tonight. He was coming back from Sweden today! Bill P
I'm so glad someone answered that. I was asking the same question the whole video. lol@@billpitman9053
Hope to see you test the A2Z NACS to CCS adapter on your Lightening next.
does the Tesla app update to show the chargers are in use when non Teslas are charging at them as well?
Man i drive by there every day for work 10 times a day 😂
Thanks Kyle, Ford and Tesla!! This is a day we've been waiting on ever since the announcement by Ford. Happy travels on the road trip. Looking forward to riding along.
I was completely entertained by your enthusiasm and excitement over this new day in charging. As someone who will soon be leaving my Leaf of five years behind and going with a CCS car, this is definitely a game changer.
Maybe this is great day for other non-Tesla owners, but for us Tesla owners this isn't a good day, especially when all slow speed charging vehicles start to occupy 2 or more spots. So now we have options to wait free spot on V3 or to go occupied V2 and charge on painfully 75kw or less. This will increase travel times a lot. I am hoping that hire charging prices for other non-Tesla vehicles will offset that problem a little bit.
Honestly if there's going to be more non Tesla's on the road then make it so that Tesla's pay 50% or less of the normal cost and Non Tesla's pay 150% or more to keep tesla owners happy, this would make it more fair for the ones that take up 2 spots or just kick them off if there's many Tesla's going to that specific chargers, this would also incentivize more Tesla's rather then NONS since driving in a tesla would be cheaper, and no one can complain since broke ass legacy makers can't make their own chargers, they say its a benefit for our customers but this is only a benefit for ford honestly, I'm glad that our super charger here in Cambridge Ontario are locked still to NONS
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Thanks for continuing updates I'd rather trade the crypto market as it's more profitable. I make a good amount of money per week even though I barely trade myself.
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You trade also?, I tried trading after watching some videos on TH-cam but still keep making losses, how do you trade on your own?
No I don't trade on my own anymore, I always required help and assistance
From my personal financial advisor
Hogging up 2 Supercharger stalls...shame on you, Kyle! 😂
Monumental day. Props to ford for seeing the light and being the first setting up the collaboration with Tesla.
That time from plug to "blue light/charging" was amazingly fast. So happy for this video, for the adaptor and Ford and Tesla partnering on this....LIFE CHANGING!!!!
I gotta say... I talked to a tech in Georgia who was updating a V3 Supercharger. He said (at the end of January) that the only state left was Alabama and it was update a component inside the V3s to work with the adapter. All V3s made since summer 2023 already had the components and by March 1st the chargers would be updated and all V3s would work with this adapter. That's what the tech told me at the end of January in Madison, Georgia at a Supercharger.
i've been waiting for this to be made public for the rest of the world, ty Kyle
hopefully not too long before it's not just "Ford"
It's only relevant for North America that used NACS.
Non-Teslas have been charging in other markets using CCS2 for ages.
Love this as I just bought myself a Lightning. Thank you Kyle for your amazing work and thank you Ford for showing leadership.
As a Tesla owner who roadtrips 3-4 times a month, I am delighted to see other EVs able to use the Supercharger network and hasten the EV transition. However, I am concerned that the Tesla routing software will be showing open dispensers at a location that are, in fact, being blocked by non-Teslas who take up 2 dispensers (from a Tesla perspective). I hope Tesla will somehow figure a way to show that 2 dispensers are in use when a Ford or Rivian or Mercedes rolls up and plugs in "backwards".
I live down the street from the Tesla v4 dispenser in Columbia, SC that a couple of TH-camrs have featured and see how this problem will eventually go away with the new universal dispenser design. However, I am sadly considering going back to ICE for a couple of years if I start to run into this problem repeatedly over the next few months.
It’s all fun and games until you are waiting in line and looking at some fords taking two spots each.
Blocking 2 bays is an issue in Europe as there’s no standard determining which side of the vehicle to put the charge socket. Tesla chargers are more exposed as their cables are relatively short, even the newer ones. It’s common to come across a VW or similar taking up two bays. However Europeans generally do not need unnecessary adapters as there was a snowball’s chance in hell that the EU would adopt Tesla’s charging standard and hence Tesla uses type 2 in Europe.
Agree
It would be very helpful if non Tesla EVs would just pick the right side charger stalls every time, Tesla pick the left side then there's less "wasted" stall for all.
@@ultrastoat3298and double the charge time of a Tesla.
Yesterday, I found a Tesla super charger station off I-20, in Texas in a very rural area, 5 minutes from where I work. i was shocked and excited. I personal have never owned, driven or rode in an EV but, would buy one, IF/When the chargers are available everywhere and reliable. I think the manufactures that are switching to Tesla super chargers made the right decision. Masses of People will not buy EV's, regardless of what DC mandates, until they can charge them on the road, everywhere, and I'm one of those people. Charging stations have to be on every corner, just like gas powered vehicle station or EV adoption will fail. I support electric vehicles and hope, that this change to Tesla charges works! This channel has been a great place to learn all things EV and I enjoy the content...Keep up the good work, i looking forward to continue learning & hopefully, in the not to distant future I'll be an EV owner, but it wont be a Tesla, lol!
So freaking cool Kyle! You preached for NACS & today it happens. Congrats & thank you for lobbying for years!
I am a Canadian Tesla owner for the past 2 years and have never had a charging issue of any kind with Tesla’s super charger, EA Canada or The Circuit Electric (flo) chargers. I see all this as a win win for everyone in the long term, the more EV’S charge at Tesla superchargers the more Tesla will install Tesla superchargers even in remote areas with less population. Thanks Kyle for another great video.
Thanks so much for bringing us such up-to-date, informative information about the EV world and charging. You are definitely helping us move toward cleaner, energy options, my providing straightforward, up-to-date information.👍
So awesome to be the first! Here in Europe we use Tesla's app, but Plug & Charge is even spiffier!
Awesome! Thank you so much Kyle and team :-)
Kyle, can you please try out the A2Z NACS extension cable? It's 6 feet, rated for 250kw.
So happy for you Kyle! Thanks for all you do ! Looking forward to other vehicles supporting NACS
I like everything about this. Keep it up, Kyle.
So Exciting! Goosebumps! Plug & charge! Amazing 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Great to see that Ford Lightning taking up 2 spaces for charging. Very helpful......
Congrats and safe travels! Looking forward to your road trip updates. ⚡️🎉
Got my prototype today too in Cleveland! Pumped! Road trip this weekend!
That little gap in the end of the adapter is just the signature Tesla finish quality 😂
I love Kyle's exuberance! Thanks for doing these videos and making them entertaining.
Epic! Thanks for the content Kyle!
Good job Kyle and congrats on being the first podcaster to get to do this. Will be following your travels!
That's great news. Hopefully your road trip goes well
Incredible Kyle. You are becoming the "go to" guy for so many EV industry issues. Keep it up!
If you’re coming through St. Louis on your road trip, then the Midwest Lightning Owners Club would be more than happy to meet and see the adapter… my XLT is getting the Plug and Charge software update later tonight.
I just need mine the first week in April for a trip!
i've been waiting for this for years!!! full send baby!
A new supercharger station near where I work has two chargers on the sides of parking spaces and I can back into one spot, like a Tesla, or pull forward into the other, and not take up an extra spot. Hopefully more of the new ones will do this.
Your excitement made me excited. As a Tesla owner, I have no concerns with sharing the network. That being said, I live in Connecticut, and there is rarely congestion at the super chargers here.
I think all you needed to know about the Tesla SC network is how flipping fast the car started charging. It was the chargers all along
Am I happy for you guys to get things straighten up with chargers in US of A. Here in Europe with CCS its so amazing that you can charge nearly anywhere! I´d miss that in the US.
Let’s go!! I just looked at the map for Canada and it looks like the supercharger access is still super limited. I hope they open them up soon!
This definitely increases my opportunity to upgrade, from low emission Honda truck and skipping the Model y to using the Lightning for all electric landscaping💪
This seems to confirm what I suspected - that MagicDock wasn’t just for interoperability testing, it was also to test the adapter to make sure it would hold up to repeated charging cycles. Seems this adapter is essentially the same as the one permanently affixed to the MagicDock dispensers.
I love hearing about micro-grid solutions.
I’ll be testing today as well but in West Coast so a couple hours after you!
Great video. I'm excited to be able to eventually add Tesla chargers to my road trips. While we wait for Ford to ship the adapters, if we order another existing adapter will it allow us to plug and charge? Or do we have to wait until we get the official plug?
So good to see the best man on site to test it out! Congrats US!
Can't wait to see the road trip video with the adapter.
OMG thank you. Just reserved mine for my E-transit. Cant wait to camp at Wawa's now.
Frigin Awesome Kyle, this is exciting!
Cool. Cool. Progress is great. How's the CCS to Chademo adapter you mentioned on the podcast channel going though? Super curious.
Hey Kyle! Great content! Thanks for sharing!
One question I have: I know it's not on the instructions pamphlet, but can you plug in the adapter into the truck first, then plug in the charging cable into the adapter? That would allow for one-handed use to begin charging. I can see that you will still need 2 hands to disconnect the charging cable from the adapter with that release lever, but I'm just thinking about convenience and ADA support for people with disabilities.
As a Model Y owner, I am happy to see more EVs on the road, but I will be dreading the day when I get to a suppercharger with full stalls filled and a long line of EVs waiting.
This is why Tesla is only opening a part of their network while continuing to add more. The great news is, with all the new EVs on the network… the more money Tesla has to expand.
Win, win.
It’s not win win. Supercharger network will not be positive margin for years to come. This is really a bailout for legacy auto because they can’t see past their own toes. But it is a net win for EV adoption in general.
@@ultrastoat3298Supercharger network is already profitable for Tesla. What type of cociane are doing? You get your facts from a cereal box?
@@StarInfinite00 lol it is not. 😂
Wait till you see 20 chargers with 10 spots not usable because people taking 2 spots.
Nice - Hope we can catch while you are going through Florida. I'll keep me eyes peeled - 🤓
SWEET. Waiting for my OTA update and I’ve already reserved my adapter.
Just watched the interview with Robert! Let’s gooooo
First Charge? FIRST CHARGE? A first charge? THE FIRST CHARGE? It took you almost 10 minutes (and a couple combovers and eyeglass adjustments) into the video to plug it in! I'm sure someone else beat you in that length of time. CONGRATS!
I just parked my Lightning ⚡ ⚡ because I got my Silverado EV with 450 mi of range. This is awesome
Kyle, I’d love to know if this adapter also works with your Rivian, or if there is some software block still in place! I am waiting for Rivian’s adapters to roll out to purchase mine
YESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!
I love seeing how excited Kyle is in this video. I’m totally feeling him. 😂
Glad to see so many more electron delivery options available to the non tesla folks… I can’t wait to get my adapter 😁
Very cool. Pretty excited to access the network for our R1S
We’re going to need a bigger supercharger network
Who could have foreseen 12 years ago that Ford would one day approach Tesla, pleading for access to a "startup's" fueling stations?
History indeed.
Awesome news, thanks for the update and congrats on #first, Kyle! Glad it worked well and so quickly & easily, as it should!
q: did you note the price charged ? Did Ford charge, differ per KWH vs what Tesla price is? (eg, like MagicDock non-Tesla compatible supercharger sites)...
eg, would Tesla then be making more $ from other EVs, via higher prices or membership costs?
Love it as always Kyle! Will there be other adapters (not the one from Ford made by Tesla) which can be used if people would rather order a 3rd party one than wait for their free ones to show up?
I can’t tell you how excited I am for this. Going from the bay area to Tahoe. The charging infrastructure is not great unless you own a Tesla. This is game changing for me.
Thought/idea, could they use a sacrificial "adaptor" on the ends of charge cables, to keep the pins new and easy to refresh?
Essentially a NACS quick change interface so all the wear items can easily and quickly be swapped out.
Look up Magic dock. It's done, but not really a long-term fix. Also not plug-n-charge