I completely agree as there are some people who are an absolute artist when it comes to voice acting. Like Eris Morn from Destiny 2 during the shadowkeep campaign there's a part where she snaps and everybody was shocked on how much emotion she finally showed after all that time. There were people talking about that part for some time.
It is funny because Kreia didnt kill them. She just severed the Jedi Master's connection with the Force and since they were dependent on it they died, thus proving Kreia right...
@@SirOrdo Pishposh. She wouldn't go through the trouble of an "I will, SHOW YOU." speech just to kill them out of hand. It is heavily implied she cut them off from the force.
@@SirOrdo If you click on the bodies it literally says they are not dead, but have faced a fate worse than death; they have been cut off from the force.
she is really like your mother. Although, in this particular part of the game, if you choose to kill the Jedi masters, she will start to rant and say that you have failed her (which is truth indeed, as she encouraged to be strong, not to be a killer)
there is a way to get Kreia to show disappointment, pretty sure it means going full dark side, ignoring her and all companion dialog and killing the Jedi masters when you meet em....
'She is like a shadow of the exile'- a perfect summary of Kreia. All the darkness and the chaotic nature of the exile, the unseen creature beneath the waters, waiting to to strike at all. The antagonist and the Other. This game makes it feel so right to be not just on the light side, but a good person, and the savior of the entire universe.
At least the best Star Wars content ever. I like the very philosophical approach of this game. However, I always was disappointed by the end. It was very rushed and left many plot holes, at least when it comes to the side characters. That it was - again, like in KotOR 1 - a mass slaughter feels uninspired for such a philosophical game. But at least we could say that Kreia is the most complex, interesting and best written character in all of Star Wars. And I really appreciate that at least 2 out of these 3 Sith aren't typical Sith. Darth Nihilus "just" wants to drain the life energy, he isn't interested in power for the sake of power as Sith normally are. And Traya isn't even a Sith, more a grey Jedi who wants to end the force itself.
I was sure of that, until I played Planescape: Torment, which was made a few years earlier by the same lead dev. Kotor 2 is basically Planescape: Torment- Star Wars Edition. The similarities are uncanny. Kotor 2 is better in many respects, but I didn't shed any man tears for it. I did for PS:T. It has more meaningful choices than probably any other game, the setting is captivating (I was confused and unsure about it at first, but it really grew on me), and it has such an interesting and powerful story.
While I personally still find a good deal to enjoy in the Disney canon, this is a very, very true statement. The story of Meetra Surik would honestly make more compelling viewing than the story of Revan.
What? Yes it may have Restored Content in the title, but on my XBOX and PC I always got this cutscene. (German Xbox-Version and Steam) I mean, what else was there supposed to be? Nothing? :P Just gotta play the game far enough. But I think the restored content may refere to the last part of the video, where the companions start talking after Kreia leaves, (I also saw that in the comments) since I don't reaaally remember that part. Pretty sure it's that. (You can als check other videos on TH-cam for that, which btw have better quality too, if you wanna watch this scene in a better quality :P ) But that part with the companions has nothing to do with the Jedi's View as you say, so I'm still slighly confused on what you and the 52 likes mean.
What migth be hard to understand, is what goes, when the view of the jedi so starkly contrasts with the teachings of Kreia. Because in this situation, both can not be right about the workings of the force.
I never understood the Jedi's view in this game. They're explaining it for such a long time but it still doesn't explain anything. What would they achieve by removing Meetra's connection to the force?
@@Bundeskaiser The Jedi here believed that the Exile was a wound in the force and that she carried the deaths of all who died in the battle of Malachor V within her, and that she regained her connection to the Force by feeding on death and leeching the life energy of her companions. The Jedi felt that the Exile unwittingly taught the Sith the ability to feed on the Force from her and thus she was a threat to all living beings, and possibly the Force itself. They thought that she would eventually become like Darth Nihilus and ultimately consume the galaxy.
@@KelbornXx That's clear. But how could she feed without the Force? And when she could: then why removing the Force connection when she can regain it anyway?
Yeah, Avellone has said that it was unintentional, but also that he likes it. So it's unintentional, but fits enough so let's enjoy reading in that subtext, adds a fun secondary context to how she discuses brianna.
Saved Dantooine Delivered fuel to Telos station Helped refugees on Nar Shadaa Saved Kavar and the Palace and the queen on Onderon. But no you are the enemy we take away froce from you.
@@Evantrop let's see. The sith assassins on peragus, bandits/mercs on telos, soldiers on onderon, those guys in the bar at nar shadaa, the raiders at dantoowine, and probably more.
this content makes so much more sense then what they originally gave us. add this restored content to Revans redemption before leaving known space and his book about what happened in unknown regions of the galaxy and it paints a more complete picture of the man who is the most balanced force user (and for my money the strongest) in SW history.
Wow I've played and beaten KOTOR 1 and 2 literally over 50 times each since 2003 and 2005 but never with the restored content slowly working through it on my laptop just wow after playing it so long I could almost quote it line for line but that revealed so much detail on what really happened to her
dude, thats nuts. kotor 2 is like 30-60 hours long. You're saying in the span of 2 years, you put over 4000 hours into these games and never once installed any mods to make it better??? are you insane!?
@@rednecksniper4715 better late than never i guess lol, i just cant believe you played these games THAT much in such a short time before trying any mods. thats crazy lol
Frankly I don't know how or why. But this was all in my game... Maybe I was late or something? Not sure, I don't recall if I added any mods or something.
The higher up’s rushed the devs to get the game out for the holiday season is what happened. Thankfully if you play on PC you can get the basically completed version of the game in all of its glory.
The most interesting part of this game is, that Kreia were actually trying to fulfill the prophecy. Bring balance to the force, and peace into the galaxy. If she were successful. If she were destroyed the force. Then balance would came as both light, and dark side goes to zero. And peace, because jedi, and sith would both cease to exist. Without the force even the strongest of all sith, or jedi would be just a conventional mortal. They would no longer fight over ideas, and bring the galaxy with them. Causing countless death in the process. She were the chosen one. And she have failed.
@@JustHereToLurkYT And that's where both jedi, and sith wrong. Kreia learned, that there is life without the force. Both on herself when she were cut from it, and the Exile were also cut from it. And both lived. Plus there is Nathema though i'm not sure, if she knew about that place in that time. Plus, if we go to other legends stories, then there is the Ysalamiri. A creature, that creates an aura around itself where the force does not exist. Also the lack of force according to Thrawn has no effect on those who aren't force users. He was exposed to a ysalamiri aura for extended period, and he felt nothing from it. Accoring to Kreia those who aren't dependent on the force would survive. Those who are wouldn't. So it is likely, that many sith, and certain jedi would die instantly, but almost none of the conventional people.
@@JustHereToLurkYT Everything about SW is fiction. If you can't take this fact, then the fuck are you doing in here? It's like going to a soccer match, then complaining about soccer is bad.
It got cease and desisteted. Even if it hadn't said team clearly had no understanding of how UE4 functions and hadn't compiled a project before, largely seemed to be led by artists without scripting or design experience, let alone the coding necessary fr their suggested DRM feature to require kotor 1. (Which despite their insistance would not make it an 'engine mod' but rather a bad drm system for a remake)
There is no way to end the cycle of death and destruction brought on by bringing Balance to the Force. The Grey Jedi are not the answer, the Sith are not the answer, the Jedi are not the answer. There is only death and the Force, that is truly horrifying.
That's the problem with the philosophical quagmire that Star Wars unintentionally created. When Lucas first created Star Wars, I'm fairly sure that he intended the Light and Dark sides of the Force to represent Good and Evil. Good and evil are not equal and opposite; Good is the right order of things, and Evil is a corruption. Bringing balance does not mean making the two sides equal, it means destroying the Dark. However, a lot of people saw the two sides as being more akin to Yin and Yang, Order and Chaos, equal and opposite forces, neither one inherently better than the other. This would be fine, if Star Wars was set up from the start to show that neither the Sith nor the Jedi were better than the other... but that's not what we see. The Jedi are flawed, certainly, but under their protection there is peace, while the Sith bring nothing but ruin. So, the philosophical quagmire that Star Wars accidently created is this: The Jedi are flawed, but obviously the good guys. The Sith are obviously the bad guys. And yet, the Light Side and the Dark Side are equal and opposites, neither one inherently better than the other, and bringing the implication that GOOD and EVIL are inherently equal, and that the Force traps the galaxy in a nightmarish cycle of horror and death as one side rises over the other and is cast down in turn. If the Light and Dark were purely represented as Good and Evil, that would be fine, you could create a philosophically consistent narrative out of that. If the Light and Dark were purely represented as Order and Chaos, that would also be fine. But as it is, the current view of the Force - Kreia's view - is a nightmarish amalgamation of the two philosophies that turns Star Wars from a heroic fairy tale into cosmic horror. Cosmic horror has its place, but frankly, that place isn't in Star Wars. Give me the swashbuckling heroics any day.
@@SerialSnowmanKiller I think the mistake Lucas made was giving the force a will of its own to paper over plotholes in the story. The inevitable conclusion from doing that is the cosmic horror of an endless cycle of death and destruction.
@@SerialSnowmanKiller it’s why the Force keeps on trying to rebalance itself out all the time. If it stopped doing this and the conflict ended then Star Wars itself will end.
KOTOR 2 definitely deserves a remaster but I hope they keep most of the original voice acting and bring in all the cut content. The complexity of these characters and the depth of the storyline always amazes me.
Knights of the Old Republic is easily the best Star Wars RPG ever made, and while KotOR II does have slightly better dialogue and takes a more darker approach, I prefer the first game over it because it has the best character arc outside the movies, and my favorite character in video games: REVAN.
I've played these games countless times. I enjoy the story and will always consider it canon to star wars as a whole. I haven't played with the mods yet but I love Kreia and her philosophy. The force was better off without the Jedi or sit. And I think that her actions in kotor2 were not only the right ones but necessary for the story later on. Kreia was the the only person that saw that the galaxy would be a better place if force users were gone. Let normal beings sort out their problems. Not have the problems expanded on by people with uncontrolled powers.
the thing is people would eventually figure these powers out again. They learned it the first time somehow already. What would stop them the second time?
Kreia takes issue with the living force, rather than the dark side or light side which predate jedi and sith. it's less that the force was better off without them, in her mind at least, so much as that they were better off without the force. And also an abject rejection of the idea of predetermination and destiny.
KOTOR. A story of redemption and trial of the soul. A story of bravery and the fight against evil. A story of friendship, love and the bonds they bring. A story.........that was never completed 😕
I am not totally sure, but seeing these scenes - I think I remember them from my playthroughs back then. Maybe it's because I played this game in 2006 and not 2004 or because I played the German release, but this scene seems quite familiar to me.
I won't add anything new by saying that this sequence is just sublime and that the performance of the actors is too. However, there is one moment that hasn't been mentioned in the comments and which, for me, is very touching when you think back to everything the Exile has been through so far: from 13:19 to 13:58. Personally, I think it shows that despite all that has been said and done that is sadly true, something better is possible for the Jedi Order and the galaxy. Through the words of his companions, we understand how much the fact of having met the Exile, of having followed him on his journey and of having been trained in the Jedi teachings by her/him has profoundly transformed them. To be able to go until the end, the Exile can count on them and even well after. It only lasts a few seconds but what is it that is magnificent. I hope the remake of KOTOR I will be successful and that it will encourage editors and producers to finally do justice to this marvel of video game.
No wonder people love these old Star Wars games, I’m even interested in SWTOR which is 3 thousand years after this one. The game has excellent dialogue, Great story telling, And lovable characters, But mine is the HK units. An example is HK 55 and HK 47, I even realized Dave Filoni loves this these good old KOTOR games too. AI may not be interested in KOTOR 1 and 2 As Much as I am in SWTOR but SWTOR also has interesting characters and references to this game and before.
@@squidwart7778 I would probably post both, starting from the class quests. I actually have them all recorded just need to sit down and edit them. But equally I think I would make that it's own channel at that point instead of using my personal one.
so nihilius is just a more evil version of the exile... too bad i thought he was unique. in one way kreia was right, how do you fight something you do neither know nor understand
Yeah he is kind of like the Exile with him being a wound in the force, only having become what the Exile would have become had he/she not cut herself off from the Force. Nihilus however has accomplished some astonishing feats The Exile and even most Sith haven't. Like becoming a presence of pure dark side energy without a real body, and achieving a form of immortality by figuring out how to foil death by fusing his spirit into his mask and robes. He lives on in his mask.
Hmm I dunno, I remember when I killed Nihilus there was a scene where Visas asked to "look upon" her Master. When Exile asked her what she saw Visas replied she has only seen a face of a man, nothing more. So I assume that would suggest that somehow he still retained his physical form perhaps.
Oddly there are two responses to when you ask her what she saw. The first was "A man, nothing more." And the other was "I saw a graveyard world." Given how damned cryptic this game is, either there was a flesh vessel but which was lifeless, or he had no body but rather she's referring either to what he was before he became Nihilus, or to the spirit of a mere man that was enslaved to his own power. I guess it lets one reach their own conclusions.
I think you misunderstood. Malachor V is described as a wound for a reason, and shaped the people who were there. Nihilus is the empty wound, an amputation, a ghost limb, only apparent because of what used to be there but is now missing. Sion is the scab on the wound, a bone that is broken, regrows stronger than it was before, but must inevitably be broken again, because it has healed wrong. The Jedi Council is a severed nerve, the numbness that denies the pain, and tries to limp on. The Exile, is a scar, that allows you to remember the wound, and having felt the pain gain understanding from it.
Absolutely. KOTOR1, whilst a revolutionary game of its time, is a very black and white morality story. The main plot twist is good, but all of the decisions in the game are "cartoon evil" or "goody-two shoes to the max". KOTOR2 does a much better job of introducing grey morality and sparks much deeper philosophical questions not just about the universe, but about humanity in general. Kreia is simply an exceptional character.
They hype the Exile up so much, make him so strong in the force and combat skills only to get stabbed in the back in swtor storyline. Pathetic writing tbh. Really wished we got a kotor3 instead.
Disney missed an opportunity to address Star Wars history like in these games. That is, to emphasize the philosophy that the Jedi and the Sith represent. They could even have presented a third position that would overcome the binarism of the previous six films. But no, they preferred to screw it up.
you miss out on a lot of explanation if you go dark side. you can force the jedi to explain a little before you kill them, but they wont go into detail. Kreia will try to fully explain everything (especially with the restored content mod), but its still pretty watered down compared to this. She mostly just tells you how disappointed in you she is for going down the same path as Nihilus. dark side path is so much fun, but you miss out on a bunch of story exposition
yes but i dont think lucas realized that when he wrote it but for those of us who notice such things its directly related to Revan specifically as he was the first known Jedi to have such a power on that scale.
No. They're using a mod that allows a Female Exile to recruit the Handmaiden. However, all of her dialogue still references the Male Exile, seeing as she's a male-only recruit. The Exile in this video is defnitely female.
Little of both to be honest, has to do with consuming the very essence of your target or some such, it's basically kinda like sucking the very soul out of your target and swallowing it.
The N-Factor Yeah, both. But she did it for a big reason. In all the game you've been told that you're unique to her. Why? Because you severed your connection to the force and still lived. She hates the force and hates how jedi and sith relies on it. She despises the jedi order because after all that happened in the game they're as arrogant as they were when they cast you out of the order. She wanted them to know what it is to let go off the force and show (them?) how weak they are by depending so much on it.
@@Hannib4lBarca You are better off without knowing. In xbox version Kreia cuts off masters from the force and goes on "how could you ever hope to face the threat." It also lacks companion cutscenes. And some of the lines were added and removed. Like actually, they have lines meant to Sion in this part.
LetzFightingLuv in this scene it’s a lot of added details, not big, overt changes. But if you’re asking about the game in general, its too much to type. There’s a whole new level you play as HK47 in the HK50 factory. The ending is very different, with showdowns between some of your characters and much better explanations of what actually happened after you defeat Kreia. It’s absolutely worth any length you have to go to to get it. This is the pinnacle of Star Wars.
Lmao. There is such an insane demand for a proper sequel to this game. Yet they're never gonna make it. Meanwhile, we're on like the 200th Final Fantasy game that no one asked for.
Vrook Fell For Atris’ Lies About Meetra Surik!! Vrook: No! We’re going to wait! We’re going to die! Atris: [Lie] Meetra Deserves Death! Vrook: [Success!] Yes! Let’s Kill Her! She’s A Sith! Meetra: No! Stop Making Lies About Me! I Am NOT A Sith!!!
I would say they're both cunning but that's it. Sidious was more just cartoonishly evil and the definition of a sith. Kreia was more complex... she was an "anti force" force user believing destroying the force would liberate the galaxy
OroborusFMA Confusing and boring is subjective, since it depends on how perceptive you are or how much you are into it. But 'canon' doesn't equal 'good', which is something the new trilogy proves.
OroborusFMA "Hur gur daa me no like big complex story because very confusing! Me only like overpowered Rey swinging the voosh voosh saber at bad guys that do the blaster pew pew!"
The woman who voiced Kreia deserved an award for her performance.
Yes she does👍
She's a stage actor. It's how she delivers her lines so powerful.
I completely agree as there are some people who are an absolute artist when it comes to voice acting.
Like Eris Morn from Destiny 2 during the shadowkeep campaign there's a part where she snaps and everybody was shocked on how much emotion she finally showed after all that time. There were people talking about that part for some time.
I agree
She's the same one who does The witch of the wilds in Dragon Âge
It is funny because Kreia didnt kill them. She just severed the Jedi Master's connection with the Force and since they were dependent on it they died, thus proving Kreia right...
Oof
my head is in shambles from realizing this.
This is nonsense and some unfounded fan theory. She simply killed them with life drain.
@@SirOrdo Pishposh. She wouldn't go through the trouble of an "I will, SHOW YOU." speech just to kill them out of hand. It is heavily implied she cut them off from the force.
@@SirOrdo If you click on the bodies it literally says they are not dead, but have faced a fate worse than death; they have been cut off from the force.
“You were deafened”
_At last, you could hear_
“You were broken”
_You were whole_
“You were blinded”
_And at last, you saw_
*shiver*
Shockingly even if she does not agree with you Kreia is proud of you. No matter what path you take. Alot better then these guys
Mama Kreia will always love you.
she is really like your mother. Although, in this particular part of the game, if you choose to kill the Jedi masters, she will start to rant and say that you have failed her (which is truth indeed, as she encouraged to be strong, not to be a killer)
there is a way to get Kreia to show disappointment, pretty sure it means going full dark side, ignoring her and all companion dialog and killing the Jedi masters when you meet em....
Red Lantern's Rage hahahah thats what I did mate. She was proud of me in the end tho when I killed her. I was so sad.
Lol proud of you? She says you failed her completely and utterly no matter what you do
'She is like a shadow of the exile'- a perfect summary of Kreia. All the darkness and the chaotic nature of the exile, the unseen creature beneath the waters, waiting to to strike at all. The antagonist and the Other. This game makes it feel so right to be not just on the light side, but a good person, and the savior of the entire universe.
Dark side*
12:24 Traya was a great character.. This was one of the best games I ever played
MrRasheed7 same I still love this game still to this day
@@yurippewrighay7193 Among the top 3. Still not sure if it beats DA: O or not.
At least the best Star Wars content ever. I like the very philosophical approach of this game.
However, I always was disappointed by the end. It was very rushed and left many plot holes, at least when it comes to the side characters. That it was - again, like in KotOR 1 - a mass slaughter feels uninspired for such a philosophical game.
But at least we could say that Kreia is the most complex, interesting and best written character in all of Star Wars. And I really appreciate that at least 2 out of these 3 Sith aren't typical Sith. Darth Nihilus "just" wants to drain the life energy, he isn't interested in power for the sake of power as Sith normally are. And Traya isn't even a Sith, more a grey Jedi who wants to end the force itself.
best, fucking, storyline, in RPG games ever made
Angry Jesus no shit i named my cats sion revan malek and traya
+JesusChristIsaBlackgay DeadJewOnaStick Thats so awesome hahahah
Although if ever anything Revan and Malek are more Kotor 1 then 2
I was sure of that, until I played Planescape: Torment, which was made a few years earlier by the same lead dev. Kotor 2 is basically Planescape: Torment- Star Wars Edition. The similarities are uncanny. Kotor 2 is better in many respects, but I didn't shed any man tears for it. I did for PS:T. It has more meaningful choices than probably any other game, the setting is captivating (I was confused and unsure about it at first, but it really grew on me), and it has such an interesting and powerful story.
@@starscreamdakmo I will never understand the fascination the weak and pathetic have with evil.
this one scene is better than the entire disney canon
While I personally still find a good deal to enjoy in the Disney canon, this is a very, very true statement.
The story of Meetra Surik would honestly make more compelling viewing than the story of Revan.
Bro fuck Disney I hope they never touch KOTOR
I never understood the Jedi's view in the main game. With this content restored, it finally makes sense to me.
What? Yes it may have Restored Content in the title, but on my XBOX and PC I always got this cutscene. (German Xbox-Version and Steam) I mean, what else was there supposed to be? Nothing? :P Just gotta play the game far enough. But I think the restored content may refere to the last part of the video, where the companions start talking after Kreia leaves, (I also saw that in the comments) since I don't reaaally remember that part. Pretty sure it's that. (You can als check other videos on TH-cam for that, which btw have better quality too, if you wanna watch this scene in a better quality :P ) But that part with the companions has nothing to do with the Jedi's View as you say, so I'm still slighly confused on what you and the 52 likes mean.
What migth be hard to understand, is what goes, when the view of the jedi so starkly contrasts with the teachings of Kreia. Because in this situation, both can not be right about the workings of the force.
I never understood the Jedi's view in this game. They're explaining it for such a long time but it still doesn't explain anything. What would they achieve by removing Meetra's connection to the force?
@@Bundeskaiser The Jedi here believed that the Exile was a wound in the force and that she carried the deaths of all who died in the battle of Malachor V within her, and that she regained her connection to the Force by feeding on death and leeching the life energy of her companions. The Jedi felt that the Exile unwittingly taught the Sith the ability to feed on the Force from her and thus she was a threat to all living beings, and possibly the Force itself. They thought that she would eventually become like Darth Nihilus and ultimately consume the galaxy.
@@KelbornXx That's clear. But how could she feed without the Force? And when she could: then why removing the Force connection when she can regain it anyway?
The music and atmosphere throughout this game is just part of the greatness of KOTOR 2. The Mona Lisa, Beethoven’s 9th, and KOTOR 2.
Kreias VA is insanely talented. The only other actress I've heard come close is the lady that plays Flemeth in Dragon Age.
Kate Mulgrew is Flemeth. Famous for playing Captain Janeway on Star Trek Voyager.
I read/heard somewhere recently that Kreia is actually Arren Kae. When I learned that, it helped to make even more sense of the story.
Actually, word of God is that Kreia isn't actually Arren Kae.
theres a good video on YT that explains it, and it totally makes sense. way too many coincidences.
Yeah, Avellone has said that it was unintentional, but also that he likes it. So it's unintentional, but fits enough so let's enjoy reading in that subtext, adds a fun secondary context to how she discuses brianna.
@@christianfaux736
Arren Kae
Darth Traya
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Kreia
I specifically built my pc for this game. Didn't take much but i did it for the restored content mod. Totally worth it.
Is this better then the old republic free to play
Devin Weems LEAGUES better
Matthew Brennan how this kotor is the best
Saved Dantooine
Delivered fuel to Telos station
Helped refugees on Nar Shadaa
Saved Kavar and the Palace and the queen on Onderon.
But no you are the enemy we take away froce from you.
to be fair you did kill like hundreds of people in the process
@@josiahstankus4193 What people?
@@Evantrop let's see. The sith assassins on peragus, bandits/mercs on telos, soldiers on onderon, those guys in the bar at nar shadaa, the raiders at dantoowine, and probably more.
@@josiahstankus4193 Those not people
@@Evantrop whut
this content makes so much more sense then what they originally gave us. add this restored content to Revans redemption before leaving known space and his book about what happened in unknown regions of the galaxy and it paints a more complete picture of the man who is the most balanced force user (and for my money the strongest) in SW history.
Wow I've played and beaten KOTOR 1 and 2 literally over 50 times each since 2003 and 2005 but never with the restored content slowly working through it on my laptop just wow after playing it so long I could almost quote it line for line but that revealed so much detail on what really happened to her
dude, thats nuts. kotor 2 is like 30-60 hours long. You're saying in the span of 2 years, you put over 4000 hours into these games and never once installed any mods to make it better??? are you insane!?
@@tylerdurden7965 I’ve played the restored content mod
@@rednecksniper4715 better late than never i guess lol, i just cant believe you played these games THAT much in such a short time before trying any mods. thats crazy lol
Why... why wasn't this in the proper release? This scene is a master-piece
Financial reasons - the game was rushed to release.
most of this was in the proper release. Only the last segment wasn't
Frankly I don't know how or why. But this was all in my game... Maybe I was late or something? Not sure, I don't recall if I added any mods or something.
Apparently they deleted an entire planets worth of quests.
The higher up’s rushed the devs to get the game out for the holiday season is what happened. Thankfully if you play on PC you can get the basically completed version of the game in all of its glory.
That’s it, I’m replaying both games 😭
All this love for Kreia's voice, but nothing for my man Ed Asner?
I'd rather watch 2 hours of cutscenes with Keria then watch the last jedi again
Who wouldn’t?
You can include the prequels in that list too
@@chriswp50 nah, prequels are great, it’s the sequels that suck
@@edelweiss7928 two things can both be bad
The most interesting part of this game is, that Kreia were actually trying to fulfill the prophecy. Bring balance to the force, and peace into the galaxy. If she were successful. If she were destroyed the force. Then balance would came as both light, and dark side goes to zero. And peace, because jedi, and sith would both cease to exist. Without the force even the strongest of all sith, or jedi would be just a conventional mortal. They would no longer fight over ideas, and bring the galaxy with them. Causing countless death in the process.
She were the chosen one. And she have failed.
You can’t kill the force in the starwars lore the force is life itself kinda
@@JustHereToLurkYT And that's where both jedi, and sith wrong. Kreia learned, that there is life without the force. Both on herself when she were cut from it, and the Exile were also cut from it. And both lived. Plus there is Nathema though i'm not sure, if she knew about that place in that time. Plus, if we go to other legends stories, then there is the Ysalamiri. A creature, that creates an aura around itself where the force does not exist.
Also the lack of force according to Thrawn has no effect on those who aren't force users. He was exposed to a ysalamiri aura for extended period, and he felt nothing from it. Accoring to Kreia those who aren't dependent on the force would survive. Those who are wouldn't. So it is likely, that many sith, and certain jedi would die instantly, but almost none of the conventional people.
@@akuladoctor7355 just a ficition story nerd plus u sound insane get laid loser
@@JustHereToLurkYT Everything about SW is fiction. If you can't take this fact, then the fuck are you doing in here? It's like going to a soccer match, then complaining about soccer is bad.
This game deserves an award. Wish they would remake 1 and 2... :( But probably won't happen.
I believe theres a reboot unofficially being made by an independent team for 1.
It got cease and desisteted. Even if it hadn't said team clearly had no understanding of how UE4 functions and hadn't compiled a project before, largely seemed to be led by artists without scripting or design experience, let alone the coding necessary fr their suggested DRM feature to require kotor 1. (Which despite their insistance would not make it an 'engine mod' but rather a bad drm system for a remake)
I don't want a remake, I just want a remaster.
The master's never did explain it as Kreia did in the end. Her philosophy of the will of the force, amazing!
ahh for fuck's sake. Look at what disney has done to this. This was beyond worlds.
There is no way to end the cycle of death and destruction brought on by bringing Balance to the Force. The Grey Jedi are not the answer, the Sith are not the answer, the Jedi are not the answer. There is only death and the Force, that is truly horrifying.
That's the problem with the philosophical quagmire that Star Wars unintentionally created. When Lucas first created Star Wars, I'm fairly sure that he intended the Light and Dark sides of the Force to represent Good and Evil. Good and evil are not equal and opposite; Good is the right order of things, and Evil is a corruption. Bringing balance does not mean making the two sides equal, it means destroying the Dark.
However, a lot of people saw the two sides as being more akin to Yin and Yang, Order and Chaos, equal and opposite forces, neither one inherently better than the other. This would be fine, if Star Wars was set up from the start to show that neither the Sith nor the Jedi were better than the other... but that's not what we see. The Jedi are flawed, certainly, but under their protection there is peace, while the Sith bring nothing but ruin.
So, the philosophical quagmire that Star Wars accidently created is this: The Jedi are flawed, but obviously the good guys. The Sith are obviously the bad guys. And yet, the Light Side and the Dark Side are equal and opposites, neither one inherently better than the other, and bringing the implication that GOOD and EVIL are inherently equal, and that the Force traps the galaxy in a nightmarish cycle of horror and death as one side rises over the other and is cast down in turn.
If the Light and Dark were purely represented as Good and Evil, that would be fine, you could create a philosophically consistent narrative out of that.
If the Light and Dark were purely represented as Order and Chaos, that would also be fine.
But as it is, the current view of the Force - Kreia's view - is a nightmarish amalgamation of the two philosophies that turns Star Wars from a heroic fairy tale into cosmic horror. Cosmic horror has its place, but frankly, that place isn't in Star Wars. Give me the swashbuckling heroics any day.
@@SerialSnowmanKiller I think the mistake Lucas made was giving the force a will of its own to paper over plotholes in the story. The inevitable conclusion from doing that is the cosmic horror of an endless cycle of death and destruction.
@@SerialSnowmanKiller it’s why the Force keeps on trying to rebalance itself out all the time. If it stopped doing this and the conflict ended then Star Wars itself will end.
This game was ahead of its time
Kreia is a badass
Kreia is the reason I want Star Wars old republic movies. I want a movie about her.
RompotMechanikos wouldn't be into it unless it's Sarah kestleman, her voice matches her ideals so well
@@Blastanker...yes...Chris Avallon writing.
KOTOR 2 definitely deserves a remaster but I hope they keep most of the original voice acting and bring in all the cut content. The complexity of these characters and the depth of the storyline always amazes me.
Knights of the Old Republic is easily the best Star Wars RPG ever made, and while KotOR II does have slightly better dialogue and takes a more darker approach, I prefer the first game over it because it has the best character arc outside the movies, and my favorite character in video games: REVAN.
I've played these games countless times. I enjoy the story and will always consider it canon to star wars as a whole. I haven't played with the mods yet but I love Kreia and her philosophy. The force was better off without the Jedi or sit. And I think that her actions in kotor2 were not only the right ones but necessary for the story later on. Kreia was the the only person that saw that the galaxy would be a better place if force users were gone. Let normal beings sort out their problems. Not have the problems expanded on by people with uncontrolled powers.
the thing is people would eventually figure these powers out again. They learned it the first time somehow already. What would stop them the second time?
Kreia takes issue with the living force, rather than the dark side or light side which predate jedi and sith. it's less that the force was better off without them, in her mind at least, so much as that they were better off without the force. And also an abject rejection of the idea of predetermination and destiny.
KOTOR.
A story of redemption and trial of the soul.
A story of bravery and the fight against evil.
A story of friendship, love and the bonds they bring.
A story.........that was never completed 😕
The KOTOR games have the best storylines in any game ever
Amazing dialogue. Amazing. Absolutely.
I am not totally sure, but seeing these scenes - I think I remember them from my playthroughs back then. Maybe it's because I played this game in 2006 and not 2004 or because I played the German release, but this scene seems quite familiar to me.
Only the last bit with the companions is added from the Restoration Mod.
I won't add anything new by saying that this sequence is just sublime and that the performance of the actors is too. However, there is one moment that hasn't been mentioned in the comments and which, for me, is very touching when you think back to everything the Exile has been through so far: from 13:19 to 13:58. Personally, I think it shows that despite all that has been said and done that is sadly true, something better is possible for the Jedi Order and the galaxy. Through the words of his companions, we understand how much the fact of having met the Exile, of having followed him on his journey and of having been trained in the Jedi teachings by her/him has profoundly transformed them. To be able to go until the end, the Exile can count on them and even well after. It only lasts a few seconds but what is it that is magnificent. I hope the remake of KOTOR I will be successful and that it will encourage editors and producers to finally do justice to this marvel of video game.
No wonder people love these old Star Wars games, I’m even interested in SWTOR which is 3 thousand years after this one. The game has excellent dialogue, Great story telling, And lovable characters, But mine is the HK units. An example is HK 55 and HK 47, I even realized Dave Filoni loves this these good old KOTOR games too. AI may not be interested in KOTOR 1 and 2 As Much as I am in SWTOR but SWTOR also has interesting characters and references to this game and before.
Three hundred after, the movies are three thousand. :P But yeah I also enjoy swtor for a lot of it's own things, need to post more clips
If you would, Would the clips be from an Expansion in SWTOR or the normal story mode?
@@squidwart7778 I would probably post both, starting from the class quests. I actually have them all recorded just need to sit down and edit them. But equally I think I would make that it's own channel at that point instead of using my personal one.
Lol @ 12:44 "go back to sleep!"
The music over takes the dialog too often
so nihilius is just a more evil version of the exile... too bad i thought he was unique. in one way kreia was right, how do you fight something you do neither know nor understand
Yeah he is kind of like the Exile with him being a wound in the force, only having become what the Exile would have become had he/she not cut herself off from the Force. Nihilus however has accomplished some astonishing feats The Exile and even most Sith haven't. Like becoming a presence of pure dark side energy without a real body, and achieving a form of immortality by figuring out how to foil death by fusing his spirit into his mask and robes. He lives on in his mask.
Hmm I dunno, I remember when I killed Nihilus there was a scene where Visas asked to "look upon" her Master. When Exile asked her what she saw Visas replied she has only seen a face of a man, nothing more. So I assume that would suggest that somehow he still retained his physical form perhaps.
Oddly there are two responses to when you ask her what she saw. The first was "A man, nothing more." And the other was "I saw a graveyard world." Given how damned cryptic this game is, either there was a flesh vessel but which was lifeless, or he had no body but rather she's referring either to what he was before he became Nihilus, or to the spirit of a mere man that was enslaved to his own power. I guess it lets one reach their own conclusions.
I think you misunderstood. Malachor V is described as a wound for a reason, and shaped the people who were there.
Nihilus is the empty wound, an amputation, a ghost limb, only apparent because of what used to be there but is now missing.
Sion is the scab on the wound, a bone that is broken, regrows stronger than it was before, but must inevitably be broken again, because it has healed wrong.
The Jedi Council is a severed nerve, the numbness that denies the pain, and tries to limp on.
The Exile, is a scar, that allows you to remember the wound, and having felt the pain gain understanding from it.
What would Traya be then?
Rushed or not this game was better and definitely a much deeper, entertaining story than Kotor 1
anonymouse 99 agreed
Absolutely. KOTOR1, whilst a revolutionary game of its time, is a very black and white morality story. The main plot twist is good, but all of the decisions in the game are "cartoon evil" or "goody-two shoes to the max". KOTOR2 does a much better job of introducing grey morality and sparks much deeper philosophical questions not just about the universe, but about humanity in general. Kreia is simply an exceptional character.
No way, Kotor 1 is better, without the restored content mod its not even a question
@@illumi9044 It's really dependent on one's opinion, I love both of these games but 2 remains my favorite.
“It is not as it was...”
Even the soundtrack in this scene was amazing
Anybody else here from the “All of Little V’s covers” playlist?
Easily my favourite of his covers
They hype the Exile up so much, make him so strong in the force and combat skills only to get stabbed in the back in swtor storyline. Pathetic writing tbh. Really wished we got a kotor3 instead.
If it makes you feel better it was mostly the devs feeling loyalty to 1 over 2.
@@NEEDbacon It doesnt because Revans story became shit in swtor too. So both got ruined.
@@Desolaytore Matter of opinion.
@@darthportus Revan gets a second chance to kill the Emp only to fail again.
Let me tell ya somethin about the force, brother!!
Kreia also voiced the same personality in fable 2 and 3
redtom89 I knew I heard Theresa’s voice from somewhere else!
Kotor 2 always did have the better writing.
Yeah but 1 is better overall
This game series has the best story telling in any game
This scene is much better than entire starwars sequels. .We like this not a Mary sue with a merry band of resistance on their adventures
Oh how special the exile are, how there's much more in store for her, then she got stab in the back, literally.
*Damn you* novel and SWTOR.
Can we ever get a movie or series as good as this ?
would you settle for a movie OF this?
I know someone I can point you to.
Wait, how do you have the Handmaiden on a female Exile playthrough?
It's a mod.
Disney missed an opportunity to address Star Wars history like in these games. That is, to emphasize the philosophy that the Jedi and the Sith represent. They could even have presented a third position that would overcome the binarism of the previous six films. But no, they preferred to screw it up.
Watching WoolieVs play this and God damn this is amazing. Disney please do this.
you miss out on a lot of explanation if you go dark side. you can force the jedi to explain a little before you kill them, but they wont go into detail. Kreia will try to fully explain everything (especially with the restored content mod), but its still pretty watered down compared to this. She mostly just tells you how disappointed in you she is for going down the same path as Nihilus. dark side path is so much fun, but you miss out on a bunch of story exposition
Is this why the Prequel Jedi Order's teachings include not forming bonds?
yes but i dont think lucas realized that when he wrote it but for those of us who notice such things its directly related to Revan specifically as he was the first known Jedi to have such a power on that scale.
@@rorybisson756
Excuse me while I recover from the blast of this bombshell and fridge logic
The dialogue went from " did you not join him?" to "step away from her." is their a glitch?
No. They're using a mod that allows a Female Exile to recruit the Handmaiden. However, all of her dialogue still references the Male Exile, seeing as she's a male-only recruit. The Exile in this video is defnitely female.
@@Vizorgz is there a mod to use handmaiden and disciple? and get rid of fucking go-to?
@@PaintedHoundie G0-t0 is cool though. Mira on the other hand though.
@@NEEDbacon would you choose mira over hanharr?
So did she sever them from the Force or drain them?
Little of both to be honest, has to do with consuming the very essence of your target or some such, it's basically kinda like sucking the very soul out of your target and swallowing it.
The N-Factor Yeah, both. But she did it for a big reason. In all the game you've been told that you're unique to her. Why? Because you severed your connection to the force and still lived. She hates the force and hates how jedi and sith relies on it. She despises the jedi order because after all that happened in the game they're as arrogant as they were when they cast you out of the order. She wanted them to know what it is to let go off the force and show (them?) how weak they are by depending so much on it.
How did you get the handmaiden as a female character. Shouldn't you have the disciple ?
It's a mod - Handmaiden for Female Exile.
94matthen i prefer ver every day . The disciple sucks
I dont get it. I also had the handmaiden and not the discipline and I didnt mod the game. I also saw some people have hanharr as companion :/
@@eliasschnutz6826 Handmaiden is for Male Exile. Disciple is for Female Exile.
Mira is for Light Side Exile. Hanharr is for Dark Side Exile.
I still have preferred if the female exile companion was Dustil, Carth's son.
Why don't they remake this with the deleted content!?
they dont have the rights
They're gonna remake the "KOTOR" games. And they also have got a sequel in mind.
@@JabamiLain source?
@@Desjarlais07 I'm sorry. I saw on Google, I don't remember who published it. I must seem really stupid right now.
Execute Order 66 on this Jedi Council!
I only played it with the restored content mod, so I don't actually know what content was added.
yeah, so?
@@gronndar So I can't tell which content was added to this scene.
@@Hannib4lBarca You are better off without knowing. In xbox version Kreia cuts off masters from the force and goes on "how could you ever hope to face the threat." It also lacks companion cutscenes. And some of the lines were added and removed. Like actually, they have lines meant to Sion in this part.
@@gronndar Good to know (or... not know in this instance).
Thanks.
@@Hannib4lBarca Yeah. Massive respect for the mod team restoring like 30%-50% of cut content.
All of this was in my game
I'm stuck here and can't get this cutscene at the beginning
So what was the restored content?
LetzFightingLuv in this scene it’s a lot of added details, not big, overt changes. But if you’re asking about the game in general, its too much to type. There’s a whole new level you play as HK47 in the HK50 factory. The ending is very different, with showdowns between some of your characters and much better explanations of what actually happened after you defeat Kreia. It’s absolutely worth any length you have to go to to get it. This is the pinnacle of Star Wars.
@@Maverick8t88 Right? Until TSLRCM, the pinnacle of Star Wars was The Empire Strikes Back.
This mod gives new content? Or just add content to the typical quests? I ask because I’m about to finish the game and I don’t want to start again lol
The restored content mod restore about 30%-50% unfinished content and also hundreds of bug fixes
Robe mod name?
Why was this in littlev’s channel lol
what is the name of the background music?
The rebuilt Jedi enclave
What mod did you use to get Handmaiden as a Girl character? Because I like romancing Atton, but hate having to put up with Disciple's shit.
deadlystream.com/files/file/544-partyswap/ This is the mod to get her, she'll still call you a he, but it's still worth it.
i can hear the f12 key lols
where do you download this?
you can find it on steam workshop or deadlystream
@@DatAsuna when I download it, do I have to drag the files anywhere particular or is it just a download ?
Peak fiction
If it hadn’t been for the massive amount of cuts and rushes there be 4 dead Jedi Masters
Fear
These are the worst Jedi ever in Star Wars legends
Lmao. There is such an insane demand for a proper sequel to this game. Yet they're never gonna make it. Meanwhile, we're on like the 200th Final Fantasy game that no one asked for.
why was ur game so laggy? like 20 fps lol
I was running it on an old macbook back then, especially laggy when recording. xD
Vrook Fell For Atris’ Lies About Meetra Surik!!
Vrook: No! We’re going to wait! We’re going to die!
Atris: [Lie] Meetra Deserves Death!
Vrook: [Success!] Yes! Let’s Kill Her! She’s A Sith!
Meetra: No! Stop Making Lies About Me! I Am NOT A Sith!!!
uhm this aint restored content?
I mean wher eis lona voss, which you will find in the restored content?
They're gonna remake the "KOTOR" games. And they also have got a sequel in mind.
Any evidence of this? I'd really hate getting my hopes up for nothing again
@@stankolev2485 in Google and if you research in TH-cam.
That's like spray painting the Sistine Chapel.
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so kreia is essentially a female version darth sidious
i cant see any similarities really
I would say they're both cunning but that's it. Sidious was more just cartoonishly evil and the definition of a sith. Kreia was more complex... she was an "anti force" force user believing destroying the force would liberate the galaxy
Dundee
Leads to the dark side
The church
14:12
3:40
Even with the restored content it was a confusing, boring, plot that was not the least bit "canon" and therefore awful.
OroborusFMA Confusing and boring is subjective, since it depends on how perceptive you are or how much you are into it. But 'canon' doesn't equal 'good', which is something the new trilogy proves.
You have shit taste
OroborusFMA there’s like a million people who disagree
i'll bet you like the new disney movies
OroborusFMA "Hur gur daa me no like big complex story because very confusing! Me only like overpowered Rey swinging the voosh voosh saber at bad guys that do the blaster pew pew!"
Misleading thumbnail but ok
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