I believe you are actually supposed to lose the last part of this training. I was totally unable to beat Visas with my bare hands in mine playthrough, she kept striking me down over and over. I got frustrated and tried to use a force power. Kreia stopped the training asking why my character disobeyed her. I answered that it was because rules like hers do not exist in a real fight. After that she ended the training saying that now my character knows as much about battle as she does. This seems to be a much better lesson than the one where you just beat you sparring partner no matter what.
Thanks for the comment! That alternate ending makes it quite an interesting twist to this training scene, and actually matches quite well with Kreia's personality and her tendency to hover around the grey area (i.e., residing somewhere between the light and dark sides) with how she tends to impart knowledge through tangential means and unconventional methods.
Беликов Владимир I really had my problems with this one too.. though i found it easy to run through, if i nerfed her lightsaber and buffed my own two.. also as i could not use forcepowers i wore a durasteel amor that was upgraded
"There is only so much I can teach him." "That fact did not escape me." "Imagine you are fighting a Sith... it will not be much of a reach with this one." Kreia's sass is legendary.
I like how the companions in this game are so different then KOTOR 1. In the first game the comps argued with each other, yes, but they had a kinship and comradely that made them a good team. In KOTOR 2, Everyone hates each other's guts!
FreakDaMIghet ooh yes and Atton is weird he's like stop crawling in people's heads when I do Force persuade and then I gain his influence which obviously means he likes me doing it. He is definitely one strange guy.
Funny thing, but on the last training session, if you use any force powers, kreia will interrupt the battle and asked why did you do it you say "You didn't tell me not to use the Force", she'll automatically pass you. =P
@@udayveerbhadauria1659 it works because that was the lesson. In real combat there are no rules. To blindly obey her restrictions is to allow yourself to be led down a path where you weaken your position for no reason. This is such a cool moment and is why Kotor2 is probably the best written Star Wars story ever.
I figured out a couple of solutions on my own: 1. Equip armour before the battle. Armour works better than Jedi Robes, because you aren't allowed to use force powers anyway. 2. "Cheat" and use a force power mid-way through the battle - Kriea will stop the battle and make you start over, however she will heal you to full health when she does that.
I think the best choice for this training is that in the last part to use force powers and explain that in real combat her rules do not apply. I say it's the best because you get 1000 XP at the end, the other options do not give EXP. And based how the XP game mechanic is corelated with the plot, that's why I say it's the best choice.
That's a great point! It makes sense and like you said, based on its outcome, it's probably one of the most optimal choices to make. During my first playthrough, I was so fixated with how Kreia was going to react if I do something that might anger her that I would not have even considered that as an option, mainly because I was worried she might say something like, "YOU FOOL!!! You can't even follow simple instructions? No wonder you're not a jedi anymore, you're too much of a loose cannon to be of any use to anyone. Come Visas, I'll take you to Malachor V and train you instead to be the next savior of the galaxy," or something wildly similar to whatever it is that my little young brain's imagination might have been conjuring up at the time! 😆
@@PaperclipClips Yeah I can imagine, she is a great mentor type of character even if her philosophy is flawed, I actually was careful so that I learned something while playing. 😁
I think it was LucasArts that set the deadline for the game, which Obsidian couldn't meet. But yeah, I think this had the potential of winning Game of the Year awards from various reviewers -- just like what Kotor I did -- if only it had been released with all its intended contents from the very beginning.
This is awesome! How could I have completely missed using this quote that was just BEGGING to be associated with that animation! 🤣 Major props for bringing it to our attention. 👍
LOL! That's one of the lesser-known perks that comes with having dark side powers: the "swivel-on-your-butt" force pivot. Not really that useful, but fun to do whenever you're bored. I hear that even Palpatine has been known to use it once or twice during rainy days. Hehe! :p
HOW DO I DESCRIBE HOW MUCH I LOVE THIS GAME??!?!?! Altho I didn't play this part since back then the cut content wasn't available. Even tho it felt like a lot was missing it was still the best RPG experience and THE BEST Star Wars game. Too bad EA wanted an MMO and now we can't have KOTOR 3 but have the mmo instead that "continues" the story... my ass
Agreed. The very first time I played this game was also without any of the cut content. And even then I was struck by the richness of the storytelling and the complexity of the characters, particularly with Kreia's philosophy on avoiding absolutes as not everything is black and white but rather mostly fall within shades of gray. It was only when I finally got to the ending part of the game for the very first time was when it became clear to me that the game was incomplete and that the developers somehow never got around to finishing it because the story just abruptly stopped, the credits started rolling, and I just sat there baffled and confused and went, "Wait, wha--?!! That's it? But...why? How???"). In any case, even then I already thought that the story itself was deep and compelling, even with everything else that what we know now was still missing from it. And so to me, what was "restored" back to it just adds to the total awesomeness of the game even more. :)
Oh awesome, that's good to know - thank you for the info. That means players that have an available feat to spare can spend it on something else then, because they'll basically get this one for free once this cutscene gets triggered. Good deal! 👍
The version you have is probably the latest since it's very easy to beat Visas here in 1.4. One strategy that can possibly help (but in your case may involve starting again from the very beginning unfortunately) would be to avoid leveling up as much as possible long before you get to this point. Then when you get really close to dying, trigger the next level. It gives you max health. Just keep repeating (low health -> level up) until you beat her. Works great with all the other boss fights, too!
Something I would recommend when you do this is too make sure your lightsaber has upgrades and Visas does not, or at least don't attack her without your own upgrades as it makes things a little too hard for you.
The developers couldn't finish the game in time. They were supposed to deliver the completed game by a certain date, but when they realized they were going to miss the deadline, they decided to get rid of tons cut scenes and voice overs that they already have available, because they still haven't finished writing the code yet that was necessary to make use of them in the game. So they just hurriedly put together a rushed ending to the game (not the one that they originally intended to use), and then released whatever they had at that point. Originally, what they were planning to do was to continue working on the game even after it started to go on sale, and then later on just issue a patch/software update for everyone to download once the developers finally completed the missing parts of the game, which is why they even included all these unfinished assets (meaning the unused cut scenes, animations, voice overs, and so on) with the game disc in the first place -- it'll allow the game to make use of these "hidden items" once the software has been updated. BUT the game publisher disagreed, and wouldn't authorize the devs to do any more work on it, and so that was that. The project was officially closed, and no further work was done to it. Fortunately for us, some players messing around with the game disc managed to discover all of these hidden assets, and with the help of some talented modders, programmers, animators (and even a voice talent on at least one occasion ), etc., they were able to bring these cut content back to life for all of us to enjoy! :D
I am guess there is a bug with this. I won't let me spar with Visas because I created a Double Bladed lightsaber. I did get 2 single hilts. One for me a visas, but it still say "you need a lightsaber". Soooooo I guess lesson is if you want to spar with Visas don't make a double bladed lightsaber. :(
whodaman777 Make sure Visa has one, you have one and Kreia has one. I suspect Kreia gives up hers to you in the two light saber fight. It takes me longer because I prefer playing with the double bladed lightsaber myself so I have to wait till I collect more single blades.
I never quite understood when you should do Power attacks vs critical attacks, flurry attacks, and normal atttacks. Does it matter all that much? I just mashed random ones and got through the game cause I was like 12 at the time lol.
Lol, yeah, as long as it works, that's the important part! I never bothered to read about what each of the different attacks mean either. But I'm guessing Normal Attack means that you get no extra advantage added to your basic attack (whatever you get on your dice roll is what you give to the enemy), but then you also get no penalties against you on defense when it's the enemy's turn to hit you. On the other hand, Power Attacks probably give you a huge boost in addition to what you originaly get on your attack roll, but then you probably also get a huge penalty to your defense when it's the enemy's turn to hit you. Something like that. And so the other attacks like the Crit and the Flurry are probably the same thing (they give some + to attack and - to def), except less bonus given compared to the Power, but you also get less penalties when it's your turn to defend. Anyway, when I used to play this game, I almost always used Flurry, but the only reason was because I really liked the animation associated with the Flurry Attacks. 😊
@ Darth Revan - I honestly don’t remember since this was over seven years ago, lol! 😛 But you’re probably right because in general I tend not to level up my characters until they get in serious trouble in a fight, and that’s when I would trigger a level up to get myself a free heal back to full health! 🙂
+määp That's a good point. My guess is that maybe it's a limitation with the game engine? Perhaps character models can't hold a lightsaber on just the left hand even though they can obviously do it when dual-wielding. But even so, maybe Kreia should have said "Because you may not always have your LEFT hand", since we know that the Exile will use his right hand during the training.
this fuckin lightsaber training is impossible i started it out when i was at half health.... now im stuck in it and theres no dialogue option 2 cancel the training. its just fight till i die then i get ONE HEAL spell cast on me, then i fight again until i die... because i only get 1 heal spell but visas gets full health each time
@Vodz Gaming - I was lightside on this playthrough, but I don't think the alignment matters. Once Visas joins your party, I believe you just need to make sure that you have two single-bladed lightsabers for yourself, and Visas also needs to have a lightsaber for herself to get this training session to start.
It depends on which version of the game you're playing. In the original release, you won't be able to see any of this because the folks that created the game ran out of time and didn't get a chance to add this into the game before it went on sale. Anyway, one day, some players were curious and decided to snoop around inside the game's code. That's when they accidentally found a lot of these "missing scenes" hidden inside the game itself (in other words, cut-scenes like this one already exist, but the player has no way of seeing them when playing the game because the code needed to trigger them is missing). When people found out about it, some fans of the game decided to do something about it by fixing a lot of the "missing links" and then releasing a new, fan-made version of the game so that future players like us will be able to see these scenes when playing the game. So if this scene showed up while you were playing, then it's most likely because you have one of the later versions of the game that has a lot of the "restored content" added back into it! Hope that helps. :)
+Liara Hmmm... that's strange, Visas was quite the pushover when I sparred with her. Maybe she does that depending on the difficulty level that you're using? If you're playing on either [ Difficult ] or [ Normal ] mode, maybe go to Options and change it to [ Easy ] then go back in and try it again? Anyway, hope that works -- good luck!
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I believe you are actually supposed to lose the last part of this training. I was totally unable to beat Visas with my bare hands in mine playthrough, she kept striking me down over and over. I got frustrated and tried to use a force power. Kreia stopped the training asking why my character disobeyed her. I answered that it was because rules like hers do not exist in a real fight. After that she ended the training saying that now my character knows as much about battle as she does.
This seems to be a much better lesson than the one where you just beat you sparring partner no matter what.
Thanks for the comment! That alternate ending makes it quite an interesting twist to this training scene, and actually matches quite well with Kreia's personality and her tendency to hover around the grey area (i.e., residing somewhere between the light and dark sides) with how she tends to impart knowledge through tangential means and unconventional methods.
Беликов Владимир I really had my problems with this one too.. though i found it easy to run through, if i nerfed her lightsaber and buffed my own two.. also as i could not use forcepowers i wore a durasteel amor that was upgraded
PaperclipClips i actually beat the last part if i remember
Беликов Владимир and that's why Obsidian made such a good game.a good amount of Scenarios for each one
I easily beat her somehow
Kreia: Your lightsaber. Give it to me.
Visas: I shall die before it passes from my hands.
Kreia: bitch i said gimme your lightsaber
Exile:Why single hilt? Kreia:BECAUSE YOU MAY NOT ALWAYS HAVE YOUR RIGHT HAND! (Thats hilarious)
"There is only so much I can teach him."
"That fact did not escape me."
"Imagine you are fighting a Sith... it will not be much of a reach with this one."
Kreia's sass is legendary.
Indeed!
I like how the companions in this game are so different then KOTOR 1. In the first game the comps argued with each other, yes, but they had a kinship and comradely that made them a good team. In KOTOR 2, Everyone hates each other's guts!
+FreakDaMIghet Yes, in this game it's like The Exile is the babysitter of a day-care (i.e., the Ebon Hawk) full of squabbling little kids!
FreakDaMIghet ooh yes and Atton is weird he's like stop crawling in people's heads when I do Force persuade and then I gain his influence which obviously means he likes me doing it. He is definitely one strange guy.
FreakDaMIghet the iridonian and t3 respect me
"You may not always have your right hand. Now do it." I love this part.
the irony in that line
Kreia actually having a sense of humor
What makes this line funnier is that she's missing her LEFT hand.
Funny thing, but on the last training session, if you use any force powers, kreia will interrupt the battle and asked why did you do it you say "You didn't tell me not to use the Force", she'll automatically pass you. =P
Tried it, and it actually worked
@@udayveerbhadauria1659 it works because that was the lesson. In real combat there are no rules. To blindly obey her restrictions is to allow yourself to be led down a path where you weaken your position for no reason. This is such a cool moment and is why Kotor2 is probably the best written Star Wars story ever.
@@TurboNemesis That makes sense
I figured out a couple of solutions on my own:
1. Equip armour before the battle. Armour works better than Jedi Robes, because you aren't allowed to use force powers anyway.
2. "Cheat" and use a force power mid-way through the battle - Kriea will stop the battle and make you start over, however she will heal you to full health when she does that.
attackfighter I do that on the Mandlorean battle circle equip myself with armor because you can't use the Force anyway.
0:25 THAT FUCKING SPIN HAHAHA
"Say what, bitch?!"
I think the best choice for this training is that in the last part to use force powers and explain that in real combat her rules do not apply. I say it's the best because you get 1000 XP at the end, the other options do not give EXP. And based how the XP game mechanic is corelated with the plot, that's why I say it's the best choice.
That's a great point! It makes sense and like you said, based on its outcome, it's probably one of the most optimal choices to make. During my first playthrough, I was so fixated with how Kreia was going to react if I do something that might anger her that I would not have even considered that as an option, mainly because I was worried she might say something like, "YOU FOOL!!! You can't even follow simple instructions? No wonder you're not a jedi anymore, you're too much of a loose cannon to be of any use to anyone. Come Visas, I'll take you to Malachor V and train you instead to be the next savior of the galaxy," or something wildly similar to whatever it is that my little young brain's imagination might have been conjuring up at the time! 😆
@@PaperclipClips Yeah I can imagine, she is a great mentor type of character even if her philosophy is flawed, I actually was careful so that I learned something while playing. 😁
Gawddamn it! When Obsidian isn't in charge and Bioware or Bethesda say they want the game yesterday.
I think it was LucasArts that set the deadline for the game, which Obsidian couldn't meet. But yeah, I think this had the potential of winning Game of the Year awards from various reviewers -- just like what Kotor I did -- if only it had been released with all its intended contents from the very beginning.
Visas sitting down: "I'll try spinning that's a good trick"
and it really was
This is awesome! How could I have completely missed using this quote that was just BEGGING to be associated with that animation! 🤣 Major props for bringing it to our attention. 👍
LOL! That's one of the lesser-known perks that comes with having dark side powers: the "swivel-on-your-butt" force pivot. Not really that useful, but fun to do whenever you're bored. I hear that even Palpatine has been known to use it once or twice during rainy days. Hehe! :p
This is in the Restored Content Mod =))
HOW DO I DESCRIBE HOW MUCH I LOVE THIS GAME??!?!?! Altho I didn't play this part since back then the cut content wasn't available. Even tho it felt like a lot was missing it was still the best RPG experience and THE BEST Star Wars game. Too bad EA wanted an MMO and now we can't have KOTOR 3 but have the mmo instead that "continues" the story... my ass
Agreed. The very first time I played this game was also without any of the cut content. And even then I was struck by the richness of the storytelling and the complexity of the characters, particularly with Kreia's philosophy on avoiding absolutes as not everything is black and white but rather mostly fall within shades of gray.
It was only when I finally got to the ending part of the game for the very first time was when it became clear to me that the game was incomplete and that the developers somehow never got around to finishing it because the story just abruptly stopped, the credits started rolling, and I just sat there baffled and confused and went, "Wait, wha--?!! That's it? But...why? How???").
In any case, even then I already thought that the story itself was deep and compelling, even with everything else that what we know now was still missing from it. And so to me, what was "restored" back to it just adds to the total awesomeness of the game even more. :)
If you don’t have the feat Lightsaber: Finesse, this event will give it to you.
Oh awesome, that's good to know - thank you for the info. That means players that have an available feat to spare can spend it on something else then, because they'll basically get this one for free once this cutscene gets triggered. Good deal! 👍
@@PaperclipClips Yeah and you get level two weapon skill lightsaber when you get a prestige class.
Thanks for the tip, Lord High Executioner!
"Because you may not always have your right hand"
Damn, she is speaking from experience :P
Yep, pretty sure -- and with an extra helping of snarkiness thrown in, to boost! 😜
Thanks for sharing what you discovered. I'm sure others will find your solutions useful, as well. Cheers!
Poor Visas :c
The version you have is probably the latest since it's very easy to beat Visas here in 1.4. One strategy that can possibly help (but in your case may involve starting again from the very beginning unfortunately) would be to avoid leveling up as much as possible long before you get to this point. Then when you get really close to dying, trigger the next level. It gives you max health. Just keep repeating (low health -> level up) until you beat her. Works great with all the other boss fights, too!
did anyonw realize that Kreia Sayed (now do it) and know remember the line of what palatine said ( DO IT) I just realized that LOL.
Yep, both of them encouraging [ reluctant Jedi #1 ] to beat up/attack [ victim Jedi #2 ] :p
Such a good scene
Agreed!
Interesting.
And damn, I hate it when I accidentaly flag something.
+Sane Serenity LOL, please don't flag my one and only video on TH-cam, heh! :p
Kreia:dew it
Ani: "I shouldn't"
Love the mods
- Visas you okay?
Visas asked me to tell you that she's had better days. 😉
Something I would recommend when you do this is too make sure your lightsaber has upgrades and Visas does not, or at least don't attack her without your own upgrades as it makes things a little too hard for you.
That or just don't level Visas until this fight.. or both.
Why would they ever cut this content. So much was missing on the Xbox version.
The developers couldn't finish the game in time.
They were supposed to deliver the completed game by a certain date, but when they realized they were going to miss the deadline, they decided to get rid of tons cut scenes and voice overs that they already have available, because they still haven't finished writing the code yet that was necessary to make use of them in the game. So they just hurriedly put together a rushed ending to the game (not the one that they originally intended to use), and then released whatever they had at that point.
Originally, what they were planning to do was to continue working on the game even after it started to go on sale, and then later on just issue a patch/software update for everyone to download once the developers finally completed the missing parts of the game, which is why they even included all these unfinished assets (meaning the unused cut scenes, animations, voice overs, and so on) with the game disc in the first place -- it'll allow the game to make use of these "hidden items" once the software has been updated. BUT the game publisher disagreed, and wouldn't authorize the devs to do any more work on it, and so that was that. The project was officially closed, and no further work was done to it.
Fortunately for us, some players messing around with the game disc managed to discover all of these hidden assets, and with the help of some talented modders, programmers, animators (and even a voice talent on at least one occasion ), etc., they were able to bring these cut content back to life for all of us to enjoy! :D
@@PaperclipClips well they are remaking kotor 1 now. Maybe we get kotor 2 remake too and they will finish it this time.
I am guess there is a bug with this. I won't let me spar with Visas because I created a Double Bladed lightsaber. I did get 2 single hilts. One for me a visas, but it still say "you need a lightsaber". Soooooo I guess lesson is if you want to spar with Visas don't make a double bladed lightsaber. :(
+whodaman777 Just gather three singles.
whodaman777 You need three and equip two for you and one for her.
whodaman777 Make sure Visa has one, you have one and Kreia has one. I suspect Kreia gives up hers to you in the two light saber fight. It takes me longer because I prefer playing with the double bladed lightsaber myself so I have to wait till I collect more single blades.
You can trick the game by using two single blades and a double bladed on Visas if I remember right.
SvenQ45 yep i did it
I never quite understood when you should do Power attacks vs critical attacks, flurry attacks, and normal atttacks. Does it matter all that much? I just mashed random ones and got through the game cause I was like 12 at the time lol.
Lol, yeah, as long as it works, that's the important part! I never bothered to read about what each of the different attacks mean either. But I'm guessing Normal Attack means that you get no extra advantage added to your basic attack (whatever you get on your dice roll is what you give to the enemy), but then you also get no penalties against you on defense when it's the enemy's turn to hit you. On the other hand, Power Attacks probably give you a huge boost in addition to what you originaly get on your attack roll, but then you probably also get a huge penalty to your defense when it's the enemy's turn to hit you. Something like that. And so the other attacks like the Crit and the Flurry are probably the same thing (they give some + to attack and - to def), except less bonus given compared to the Power, but you also get less penalties when it's your turn to defend. Anyway, when I used to play this game, I almost always used Flurry, but the only reason was because I really liked the animation associated with the Flurry Attacks. 😊
Lol you pissed her off
You didnt skilled Visas up, did you?
@ Darth Revan - I honestly don’t remember since this was over seven years ago, lol! 😛 But you’re probably right because in general I tend not to level up my characters until they get in serious trouble in a fight, and that’s when I would trigger a level up to get myself a free heal back to full health! 🙂
Why does she mention right hand even though he uses the single saber in the right hand?
+määp That's a good point. My guess is that maybe it's a limitation with the game engine? Perhaps character models can't hold a lightsaber on just the left hand even though they can obviously do it when dual-wielding. But even so, maybe Kreia should have said "Because you may not always have your LEFT hand", since we know that the Exile will use his right hand during the training.
Maybe by right hand she meant "better" hand
or "stronger" hand
or "efficienter" hand
Tux Games i see what you mean, but i dont think it is so, because right hand is exile's stronger hand(atleast according to the engine)
määp
yes, but if you're missing 1 hand, you can't wield 2 sabers lol
lol yes, but im not sure how that relates to what i said
this fuckin lightsaber training is impossible
i started it out when i was at half health.... now im stuck in it and theres no dialogue option 2 cancel the training. its just fight till i die then i get ONE HEAL spell cast on me, then i fight again until i die... because i only get 1 heal spell but visas gets full health each time
where u dark side or light side and does it matter ?
@Vodz Gaming - I was lightside on this playthrough, but I don't think the alignment matters. Once Visas joins your party, I believe you just need to make sure that you have two single-bladed lightsabers for yourself, and Visas also needs to have a lightsaber for herself to get this training session to start.
I've seen this in game. how is it cut?
It depends on which version of the game you're playing. In the original release, you won't be able to see any of this because the folks that created the game ran out of time and didn't get a chance to add this into the game before it went on sale.
Anyway, one day, some players were curious and decided to snoop around inside the game's code. That's when they accidentally found a lot of these "missing scenes" hidden inside the game itself (in other words, cut-scenes like this one already exist, but the player has no way of seeing them when playing the game because the code needed to trigger them is missing). When people found out about it, some fans of the game decided to do something about it by fixing a lot of the "missing links" and then releasing a new, fan-made version of the game so that future players like us will be able to see these scenes when playing the game. So if this scene showed up while you were playing, then it's most likely because you have one of the later versions of the game that has a lot of the "restored content" added back into it! Hope that helps. :)
I can't beat her, because she heals herself all the time :(
WTF?
+Liara Hmmm... that's strange, Visas was quite the pushover when I sparred with her. Maybe she does that depending on the difficulty level that you're using? If you're playing on either [ Difficult ] or [ Normal ] mode, maybe go to Options and change it to [ Easy ] then go back in and try it again? Anyway, hope that works -- good luck!
I made it easy for me by only giving her the "Drain Life" ability in order to replenish health.