When Cinder first absorbed half of the Fall Maiden from Amber, she had broken Amber's Aura *_and then_* begun absorbing the power. With Raven and Penny, she *_never_* broke their Auras, and since the Maiden powers colour match Aura colour, it's unclear whether she was absorbing the powers or just burning through Raven and Penny's defensive Aura reserves. But I'm pretty sure that one of the writers said that Cinder doesn't have any of the Spring/Winter Maiden powers, so it seems to me that Cinder can't absorb any of the Maiden powers until the Maiden's Aura is broken. I think Cinder is still just the Fall Maiden, and Raven and Penny are still full Maidens. That said, we can't trust the writers (how very Ozpin of them) so your theory still stands.
We don't know, how the maiden power transfers while being split... Maybe the smaller part just connects with the bigger part and transfers naturally to that "last in mind" person. So if Raven/Penny would die, that tiny portion of their magic will leave Cinder? Phoenix/Night what do you think?
I was thinking this, maybe its proportional. So for Amber, Cinder stole a majority of the power, or at least more than half, so the remaining went to her. But she only has a tiny portion of Raven and Penny's power so I doubt the rest would go to Cinder if they died
What she absorbs may very well be the actual essence of the maidens. What she does is not steal the powers directly but indirectly takes away the maiden's ability to fly to new hosts. it just goes straight to her.
I believe that Cinder will get the other maiden powers, but having the powers of all four maidens in one being will ultimately lead to her downfall and defeat. Considering her characters motivation being one who craves power and being destroyed by the very power that she was after. I think that would be an interesting dynamic given that her character has been in the series since the beginning and seeking power has always been her goal.
He addresses this point in the video. Did you not catch that? Plus, anything a writer says about confirming or denying anything to do with plot elements in the story should almost always be ignored as they typically lie to keep important plot twists a secret.
she drained Raven and both her aura and Ravens broke simultaneously, of course that doesnt mean she didnt, but it seemed like they were tit for tat with landing hits
I think it was confirmed that Cinder only stole Aura from Raven, not the Maiden Powers or any of Raven's Soul. The Maiden Powers are part of the Soul, which creates Aura to protect itself. Aura and the Soul aren't the same thing, more like different parts of a whole. Cinder should still have strategic uses for draining Aura in combat. The Aura expended in combat is able to recharge and regenerate. Maiden powers probably can't be taken while a person's Aura is active because the Aura will prevent it, but using it on Maidens would break their Aura faster than punching them. Based on how it was used in Vernal, I think it is able to kill opponents by draining their Souls completely if their Aura doesn't protect them. Pietro willing gave up part of his Soul to create Penny, and he's appears to have been physically weakened by the process. Amber was left comatose by Cinder stealing part of the Maiden powers from her with the Grimm Glove. The Glove, the Arm, and the Soul Transfer technology all likely work on the same principle of capturing a person's soul and putting it into something else. Since Magic is attached to the Soul, it will be transferred by the same means.
Didn't Gillian Asturias attempt giving a Grimm Aura and it felt like an endless black hole or something? I haven't read Before the Dawn but I definitely remember some amount of discussion regarding her Semblance when the book first came out.
I used to have this idea that each of team RWBY would get maiden powers but this also makes sense, despite not wanting it to happen. Personally, I would rather see either a Cinder redemption arc of some sort where she realizes how bad Salem treats her and then she transfers powers back to Raven/Penny to give them a better fighting chance. That or she just dies 😂
Cinder might betray Salem at some point, but she's not getting a redemption arc, she's too far gone and is eventually gonna turn into a grimm hybrid monster
I completely agree with you (and subscribed), having thought of this exact theory myself on several occasions. In addition to all the points you that made, I also don't believe that the show would make a point of Cinder absorbing _something_ from both the Spring and Winter Maidens (whether the Maiden powers themselves or the Aura that they're bound to), through her magic-siphoning Shadow Hand, if it wasn't going to be important later on. Given the fact that Cinder is, after all, one of the two main antagonists of the entire RWBY series alongside Salem, I highly doubt that she will be taken out this early on in the story (not until the final Volume, in fact), which leads me to believe that Cinder will indeed obtain both the Winter and Spring Maiden powers, and then later venture off to Vacuo to claim the final piece within the Summer Maiden. On a related note, given Cinder's hatred for Atlas as revealed in the Volume 7 finale as well as the piece of her backstory that we got in "Midnight", and the possibility of her acquiring the Winter Maiden powers in the near future, I think it may be possible that Cinder will be the one to claim and use the Staff of Creation, purposely causing Atlas to fall and be destroyed as a result, out of revenge for its injustices against her. This harkens back to one of Cinder's songs, "When It Falls", which following the release of "Midnight" has begun to increasingly sound like Cinder's talking about Atlas "falling" in a more literal sense than the other kingdoms (e.g. *_"The pillars collapse in shame"_* may be referring to the collapse of the pillars that sustained Atlas's hard-light shields).
Well there's a very slight problem with this good theory: cinder needs to stay alive for the transfer to work and she ain't exactly in salems good graces at the moment
I feel like CInder getting the Fall Maiden Powers was because she killed Amber. I think the Powers don't have to be whole but can go to whoever the person is last thinking off before they died. Amber was in a coma so the last person in her mind would be her attacker and thus they went to her. I believe that the Grimm arm grabbing onto someone is a faster way of draining the Aura and that Cinder is So Eager for the Power she just goes about with the Arm from the Get Go. Aura is still around when its broken just in a disconnected state. Cinder is burning away at the wall of Aura until she can get through and once it breaks just vacuum up her aura.
I’m pretty sure somebody from rooster teeth said that cinder didn’t get any of ravens powers. I think how it works is that she needs to absorb the aura since it’s connected to the maiden powers so she isn’t exactly sucking the powers at first, just the aura until she is able to access the powers.
Here’s what I think To get someone’s maiden powers, you need to completely destroy their aura and kill them. By draining their aura, you drain their aura only. My proof about this is when amber was able to use her maiden powers even when her aura was broken. So therefore, draining their aura only weakened it and got it closer to breaking, and really didn’t take any of their powers at all. Let me know if you think this makes sense!
So… kinda like that one book only character that could absorb aura? And the Maiden’s power is trying to reconnect with its host’s aura before moving on entirely so it binds to a new host that has the same aura still inside them from being absorbed
Cinder does not have the winter or spring Maiden powers i think I remember Rooster Teeth saying her siphoning ability need to break through their aura first
@@ferryn6877 somebody at rooster teeth already confirmed that cinder didn’t get any of the spring maiden’s powers, so we can assume that she needs to break aura to get the power. Theoretically speaking, she didn’t get any of penny’s power either.
Fall maiden power was also transferred to Pyrrha before Cinder killed Amber. Which means Ambers final thoughts were of Cinder because she was previously attacked. Pyrrha was next to Amber and out of site
We still don't know how the maiden powers work. Honestly I think it would make more sense that the more maiden powers Cinder takes the more corrupted she becomes. It honestly would make more sense if the powers were meant to stay apart and never come together.
I think this is very unlikely and I think ultimately Salem is going to throw cinder and take them for herself because if ozma knew how to give powers you definitely could give your powers away to make someone else stronger. Also if everyone had the same amount of powers during the old world then Salem has the powers of the maidens and more and can open the chambers also I would like to say that Salem can transform! I think this because Qrow and Ravens powers are from Ozmas so if they really were even even then Salem and transform and with the power of the death pool she can most likely transform into a Grimm.
remember, the only way cinder has obtained these powers, is through grimm, maybe the powers arn't stored in her, they're stored in the grimm, if thats the case, then they could be trying to transfere to the next host, unable to trapped by the grimm,. also remember ruby's eyes can vaporize grimm, and salem told cinder to be careful, if ruby has learned to harness her eyes, cinder must take care. maybe if cinder's grim parts get vaporized, she losses any ability to use the maiden powers.
@@EngineScypex then at best, she can "for sure" lay claim to the fall maiden powers, so even if she was absorbing powers from penny and raven, and even if 1 or both die and cinder gets the powers, all ruby has to do is use those eyes and bye bye to maiden powers (exept fall)
I address this about 2 and a half minutes into the video. What other answer could Eddy give to that question? He can't confirm if Cinder got some of the powers as that would hint/spoil future events in the show. Eddy might have been telling the truth, but he just as likely could have used that as an opportunity to mislead the audience
We need to shelve this idea. We would’ve had definitive confirmation around the maiden powers being partially transferred the same way we did when Cinder got half. We would see her gain some of the color of the other maiden aura. While the powers are attached to aura I think they’d need a majority or all of it to take the power.
I want to get your thoughts on a theory I heard about the Volumes themselves. This theory comes from Eruption Fang. Each Volume represents one of the Four Seasons; 1+5: Spring (A new beginning). 2+6: Summer (Constant Adventures). 3+7: Autumn/Fall (Fun times followed by sudden drops). 4+8: Winter (Cold and Grief).
this would mean "out of the frying pan, and into the fire." Also I think Penny will become a real girl like Ponociio did and won't be turn into Grimm. Plus, I don't really see Cinder being turn into Grimm or kicked out, but I do see her posses three madden powers.
I feel like if Cinder manages to get Spring and Winter maiden powers, she'll go insane. Either from her hunger for power, or 4 possible voices in her head (Amber, Pyrrha, Penny, and Raven.)
One thing if the power belongs to Raven it doesn't mean that some of it was removed from her body and placed in another's. And another thing when comparing when the grimm is connected to a maiden the powers come in small bursts but when it was connected to Penny it looked more like a web just like when ever Aura is flared to protect/heal huntsmans and huntresses.
@@PrincessLockette technically she has aura even if it’s pietro’s and not her own I mean we don’t even know if he unlocked his either but regardless a semblance for penny is still possible
Theory - One thing I’ve been wondering is why Salem and cinder are attempting to steal the maiden powers? I mean I understand needing them to open the vaults, but as we saw with Raven she was planning on opening the vault anyway and James wants penny to open the vault so it doesn’t really make sense to me that Salem would want cinder to track down and take all the maiden powers for herself, especially as we already see having maiden powers essentially is limitless magic at least that what it appears to me so having the winter and fall maiden magic wouldn’t necessarily make her stronger in terms of magic. But I had a thought, as Salem stated she can’t find the fall vault, and knowing ozpin I wouldn’t see him making all the vaults so easily accessible seeing as the relics being brought together could mean the end of all life. So I had a theory that ozpin set it up so that the fall vault can’t be opened unless all 4 maidens open it as this would keep evil maidens from opening all the vaults and thsi way in an ideal world the only was to retrieve all 4 relics would be for the world to come together all 4 maidens to agree that it is the right time thus fulfilling the mission and thus securing humanities future. So Salem has cinder hunting all the maidens in order for her solely to fulfill this condition. This is just my theory and it very well could just be cinder’s power hungry nature but wanted to k ow what you thought.
Keep in mind that in Volume 3, when Cinder absorb a piece of the Fall maiden from Amber, Cinder wore a glove on her now Grim hand, which disappeared after the link to get the rest of the power was destroyed and she ended up absorbing the glove.
I think she might have gotten to the power, but the power wants to stay while, and “return to majority” and Amber had so much of it stolen that it was to broken to return
Current Maidens Spring-Raven Winter-Penny(somehow) Fall/Autumn(it’s the same)-Cinder Summer-unknown Prediction for the Summer maiden Likely would be Ruby since her moms name is Summer Rose and Ruby is the MC and Yang’s mom is the current spring maiden Winter(just came to my mind ok) was supposed to become the next Winter maiden(my sister told me that) but it was Penny though the name might be confusing but everything makes a little sense Yang is Ruby’s half sister and her mom Raven is the current spring maiden and her step mom is Summer Rose Pls put some ideas can’t think of anything else
Grimm can drain aura from people ig they are connected,Which means cinder is draining the aura to make it easier to kill her target and once they die she gets the powers.
Also you forgetting the fact that Pyrrha was absorbed not leaving a body behind so the maidens are connected with their physical body so if she had absorbed maiden powers no matter the amount the vessels would be weak.
I do really like the theory but didn't one of the lead writers in an AMA say that the spring and winter powers were so little that they just faded out of Cinder?
In my opinion you're overthinking a bit here without remembering facts. In case of the previous fall maiden, Ozpin was worried because Amber wasn't awake after Qrow picked her up, so the attackers are most likely the last thought of her. While it is indeed possible that the maiden powers ignore the rule if someone has a fraction of it, it's still just a theory: The only events that would back that theory up would be, that Cinder 'sucked' on Raven's and Penny's powers. Compared to that, the theory has it's downsides. First it's hard to imagine that the 'maiden aura' has the ability to check if it's complete and search for remaining fractions. Also there's no natural event that could cause a splitting. Either the power will pass on if the owner dies, the power will be robbed (like Cinder or Phyrra/Oz did) or the owner can conrol the power to gift it to someone (like Oz did in the past). And last but not least: While Cinder did steal a bit of Ravens and Pennys maiden power, she also did that with Amber - and in that case she got even enough that Amber wasn't able to recover from it. Still she got the remaining parts of the fall maidens power in natural order: She killed both, Amber and Phyrra. And it's likely that Cinder was both last thought, since they fought against her. As for the absorbtion: I would say that the maidens powers merge with the aura of it's owner. That would explain, why Amber didn't awake after the assault. To your argument regarding stealing the power of Penny: If Cinder could've deplete Penny's aura that would be the best way. But I don't think Penny would've just tanked that spear. She should be smart enough to know, that it's worthless to hold on the construct if a deadly attack is incoming.
Well... Cinder did lose both of those fights and yes, she was at a disadvantage at least in the case with Raven, as she didn't notice the debris that was about to fall right on top of her and as Raven managed to freeze her in place while Cinder was "absorbing" whatever it was that she was absorbing, whether it was aura or maiden power. It's also possible that rather than absorbing the aura, the grimm arm was depleting it, and, since Cinder was obviously acting irrationally at least in the fight versus Raven, didn't fully understand her grimm arm's ability. Cinder from volumes 4+ hasn't really been as calculating as Cinder from volumes 2 and 3 (I don't list 1 because what we saw of her in that volume was hardly anything at all), so maybe she lost a few functioning brain cells when she lost that eye with Ruby's optic blast; so yes, it is quite possible that Cinder was just acting irrationally. In the fight versus Penny, while she was highly impulsive and while Penny was focusing on other things at the time Cinder grabbed on to her, there's still the fact that she went there with no plan whatsoever. She just appeared there blasting things like the lunatic that she has become. Lastly, in the case of Amber, both Ozpin and Ironwood stated that they weren't sure if the powers would seek the other half and that the procedure that they were planning to do to Pyrrha was not a certainty that it would work. As for Amber having Cinder as her last thoughts, it's not impossible, since her eyes were closed when Pyrrha walked up to her, but opened immediately when Cinder's arrow sank into her chest, and upon opening her eyes, the last female she saw while still alive was Cinder.
Whether it's the GRIMM parts that are dangerous or it's the raw magic insider her or BOTH that wouldn't be wise. I'm NOT fully aware what Mounty Oum (R.I.P.) had in mind for the maidens all together originally. Neither do I know what the staff plan to do, but it's clear that there should be 4 maidens, not 1. I think the magic will kill Cinder in the end. 1st scenario) She dies from the conflicting GRIMM parts in her body due to the magic. 2nd scenario) She dies from the overwhelming amount of magic she absorbed. In the series it's been EONS since the world could use magic. If people are/ are not exposed to outside forces long enough they become weak. Like how ancient dinosaur type germs could wipe out half of mankind. At ONE point the germs were just a cold type allergy, bed ridden for a week at most. If released NOW, mortality rate would be worse than COVID. Even if the maiden powers were from Ozpin and are still connected to him, he gave it up because he hardly had enough of his own magic left. Since the magic is so weak it is probably the main, or ONLY, reason why it changes from user to user. If the maiden powers were returned into one body, it's likely that body will be burned out and the magic with it. Regardless of how you slice it, Cinder is going to kill herself in her pursuit of power.
@@MIR_ilmenite Very true, but if Penny dies and most likely think about Ruby. There’s a possibility Ruby gets the maiden powers. It’s not uncommon for a main protagonist being overpowered in someway. But then again for interesting twist. If Pennys dies from the Grim or Cinder. The powers could go to Winter. Who then could also die from Salem. Then transfer to her sister Weiss. Now both Yang and Weiss are maidens. Who knows maybe all of team Rwby could some how end up being the new maidens.
I have a really interesting theory which doesn’t involve cinder. I’m kinda interested in the fate of Arthur Watts after the potential fall of Atlas he’s practically useless to Salem. Watts’ skill sets are too specific since he can only hack technology but can barely hold on his own against Ironwood with the environment and technology on his side. He might go down with the kingdom.
I'm more in line with since the show seems to be all about balance and everything is in 4ths: 4 kingdoms, 4 acadamies, 4 members to a team, 4 seasons, 4 maidens, etc.; are we even sure that 1 person can posess more than 1 maiden's powers at a time? That could explain why whenever she goes against another maiden she fails, like the "divine hand of fate" interfering.
Ya I'm pretttty sure Penny is gonna be that new vessel. Salem, being able to control her Grimm arm is going to have it latch onto Penny and instead of absorb the powers she will deplete them giving Fall to Penny, leaving Cinder powerless yet again
First, I don't think cinder has any of the spring or winter maidens powers since I'm pretty sure that Cinder can't drain maiden powers until there aura's are gone . Also, I don't think Cinder will get the chance to take another maiden's powers, after seeing her backstory I'm more convinced than ever that Juane is going to kill her. In her flashback Cinder killed her step mother, sisters and her trainer/father figure the only piece missing from the Cinderella comparison is her prince charming. And since Cinder killed all the people that Cinderella was supposed to overcome I think it makes sense that the man who gave Cinderella salvation would be the one to kill Cinder.
I was thinking, what would happen if Cinder absorbed all the maiden powers. Would she explode from an overdose of power, or would she covet more power and think, "Hey wait a minute, Salem has more power than me...why not steal Salem's magic?" Or would Salem try to make herself the last person in Cinder's thoughts?
I have a theory that rwby is the last maiden and she doesn’t know what if the silver eyes is the only power that maiden can have I say this because of the way the eyes light up and by the fact that the maiden power eye glow thingy goes to the side of their eye and so does rubies silver eyes.
@@PhoenixNight Thought so :) Still looking forward toward your video on what everyone can do thanks to Jaunes semblance, but I get it. You've got the review for the mid-season finale and the holidays coming up. Take your time. Love your videos.
How do maiden powers work? Raven is the spring maiden, yet she used ice magic Cinder is the fall maiden yet used fire magic Also why is ruby's mum's name summer? Same for winter being called "winter"
they can all use fire ice wind and other elements like that the names are different but they basically all have the same powers but different names and can open different vaults
I don't think Penny even has aura (in the same sense as others). It's never even shown itself during battle, never flickered upon taking damage, never protected her from taking damage like in her fights. She has shown with damage to herself and her clothes regardless. It may just be a power source for her, a source that the magic is more than simply bound to, their aura being the maiden powers themselves
@@EngineScypex When! When did she ever show she actually HAS aura. Not the green eyes, not the source of power that's nothing more than a battery, an actual aura (barrier) 🙄 the thing that would have saved her from getting sliced in volume 3 🤔
Didn't she use something other than her arm to absorb Amber's powers? Something that shot out a web that hit Amber in the face? I'm drawing a blank on what it actually was
It’s a good theory but we don’t know how the maiden powers work yet. Does a certain amount have to be siphoned before it seeks out its other half? If raven dies will the majority of the power go to the person in her last thoughts and the tiny bit Cinder took will follow?
So, I agree with what Phoenix said about the powers possibly going to Cinder but didn’t Penny’s Aura come from Pietro? I could be wrong on that but anyway, if Penny does die, would the powers go to Pietro or would they be in like a dormant state until Penny is rebuilt? Or would they just go to Cinder outright?
@@noblegas8485 Yeah, I know. They say that the Maiden powers can’t go to any males but has it actually been proven? Like actually on screen proven? It’s been said yes but I don’t think it’s been proven. I’m stubborn when it comes to things said but not shown especially for ongoing series. It could possibly happen and it could just be a lie that it can’t go to a male. It might not be a lie but still
@@Duiccanann There's a difference. That wasn't an offscreen lore drop. It was something stated by characters on the screen, in a moment where they had no reason to lie, based on generations of direct observation.
Ok so I just rly want to say this spoiler alert So with the cliff hanger of war I think penny will be put in the same bed as Nora and since Nora is like rly injured penny might think about Nora when she dies and transfers the powers to Nora ps: got this idea because nora’s last name is Valkry and the last winter maidens name was freya theu are both from Norse mythology
I think they would not go to cinder if its a direct transfer like penny holding the hand of winter maiden while on the other hand I agree with this theory if the maiden is killed in by supirse or in battle and thinks of a man like raven thinks of her brother
Random host, I am gonna assume. After all, vol 3. It was stated. That the maiden powers can't be given to a male or someone that's old. So it would be best to assume, the powers would be given to a random. If the maidens last thoughts were a dead person.
Well, I think it's reasonable to assume Cinder was getting the maiden powers without having to break the aura first. Otherwise I don't think the maiden powers would be able to transfer while said aura was up, as with Fria and Penny in V7.
@@studyguy.7660 personally I want the villians to have a great victory this volume, right now things are going pretty bad for team Salem, there is so much disunity and I don't like it.
amber became a vegetable lol.... im sure that cinder didnt get any of the powers.... also you said that if raven or penny died the powers would want to be whole. so what would happen if cinder died with 3 different maiden powers ? would it split 3 different ways lol
Do keep in mind what Raven said about the arm. It is Grimm do aura can't affect it. Meaning I doubt she can drain aura through it anyway. So it must be magic.
When Cinder first absorbed half of the Fall Maiden from Amber, she had broken Amber's Aura *_and then_* begun absorbing the power. With Raven and Penny, she *_never_* broke their Auras, and since the Maiden powers colour match Aura colour, it's unclear whether she was absorbing the powers or just burning through Raven and Penny's defensive Aura reserves.
But I'm pretty sure that one of the writers said that Cinder doesn't have any of the Spring/Winter Maiden powers, so it seems to me that Cinder can't absorb any of the Maiden powers until the Maiden's Aura is broken. I think Cinder is still just the Fall Maiden, and Raven and Penny are still full Maidens.
That said, we can't trust the writers (how very Ozpin of them) so your theory still stands.
I feel the Same way. That you have to break the Aura before you can absorb the Maiden Powers and the Arm was just draining Aura.
How very Ozma* of them
They are a lot like Ozpin, which means they don't outright lie, just all half-truths.
Because the winter maiden and vernal gave their powers to them lmao and cinder was taking it
@@gameinsane4718 Okay, Salem
I imagine the Grimm arm only accelerating her corruption with each maiden powers taken.
We don't know, how the maiden power transfers while being split... Maybe the smaller part just connects with the bigger part and transfers naturally to that "last in mind" person. So if Raven/Penny would die, that tiny portion of their magic will leave Cinder?
Phoenix/Night what do you think?
I was thinking this, maybe its proportional. So for Amber, Cinder stole a majority of the power, or at least more than half, so the remaining went to her. But she only has a tiny portion of Raven and Penny's power so I doubt the rest would go to Cinder if they died
@@chrissycurtis4152 yeah like maybe if Cinder stole over 50% of the powers, itll be hers but anything lower and itll join the new hosts
@@chrissycurtis4152 +
Or maybe if its just a little amount of power the process "resets" and that little amount of magic returns to the original maiden.
Cinder might get Raven's power but let's just say Yang would be a really cool spring maiden
She'll be punching fireballs
@@DT2007 HELL YEAH
She already has the fire down
Yang is gonna get the summer powers, fits her personality better.
@@jecrex8349 that would be cool
I imagine that cinder never absorbs winter and spring maiden powers.
What she absorbs may very well be the actual essence of the maidens. What she does is not steal the powers directly but indirectly takes away the maiden's ability to fly to new hosts. it just goes straight to her.
I believe that Cinder will get the other maiden powers, but having the powers of all four maidens in one being will ultimately lead to her downfall and defeat. Considering her characters motivation being one who craves power and being destroyed by the very power that she was after. I think that would be an interesting dynamic given that her character has been in the series since the beginning and seeking power has always been her goal.
I'm pretty sure the writers have already said at one point that Cinder didn't gain any of the Spring Maiden's powers
He addresses this point in the video. Did you not catch that?
Plus, anything a writer says about confirming or denying anything to do with plot elements in the story should almost always be ignored as they typically lie to keep important plot twists a secret.
It is possible that the arm drains aura faster cause every time cinder does this her opponents aura breaks shortly after
she drained Raven and both her aura and Ravens broke simultaneously, of course that doesnt mean she didnt, but it seemed like they were tit for tat with landing hits
I think it was confirmed that Cinder only stole Aura from Raven, not the Maiden Powers or any of Raven's Soul. The Maiden Powers are part of the Soul, which creates Aura to protect itself. Aura and the Soul aren't the same thing, more like different parts of a whole. Cinder should still have strategic uses for draining Aura in combat. The Aura expended in combat is able to recharge and regenerate. Maiden powers probably can't be taken while a person's Aura is active because the Aura will prevent it, but using it on Maidens would break their Aura faster than punching them.
Based on how it was used in Vernal, I think it is able to kill opponents by draining their Souls completely if their Aura doesn't protect them. Pietro willing gave up part of his Soul to create Penny, and he's appears to have been physically weakened by the process. Amber was left comatose by Cinder stealing part of the Maiden powers from her with the Grimm Glove. The Glove, the Arm, and the Soul Transfer technology all likely work on the same principle of capturing a person's soul and putting it into something else. Since Magic is attached to the Soul, it will be transferred by the same means.
"Your arm isn't protected by your aura it's grimm" so theoretically it can't absorb aura
no, that means that it can't create aura around that hand to protect it from attacks
@@shfhsvomvolakis2318 can't argue with that.
Didn't Gillian Asturias attempt giving a Grimm Aura and it felt like an endless black hole or something? I haven't read Before the Dawn but I definitely remember some amount of discussion regarding her Semblance when the book first came out.
@@SheenaMalfoy Idk I haven't read the books yet
I used to have this idea that each of team RWBY would get maiden powers but this also makes sense, despite not wanting it to happen.
Personally, I would rather see either a Cinder redemption arc of some sort where she realizes how bad Salem treats her and then she transfers powers back to Raven/Penny to give them a better fighting chance.
That or she just dies 😂
Personally I think cinder has gone too far to get a redemption arc, all that awaits her is becoming "The hound" 2.0
Cinder might betray Salem at some point, but she's not getting a redemption arc, she's too far gone and is eventually gonna turn into a grimm hybrid monster
@@PrincessLockette she can't
1. Salem is more powerful than all of the maidens
2. Even if she can damage her, she's unkillable
Most likely emerald
@@marcusrembert9425 They're gonna make Salem good again and then Cinder will be the big bad and probably be the next grimm master
Salem is going to trick Cinder, when she finds Penny Salem will do something with Cinder's grimm arm causing her to become another hound
I agree with you on that one. It's going to happen either way
I completely agree with you (and subscribed), having thought of this exact theory myself on several occasions. In addition to all the points you that made, I also don't believe that the show would make a point of Cinder absorbing _something_ from both the Spring and Winter Maidens (whether the Maiden powers themselves or the Aura that they're bound to), through her magic-siphoning Shadow Hand, if it wasn't going to be important later on. Given the fact that Cinder is, after all, one of the two main antagonists of the entire RWBY series alongside Salem, I highly doubt that she will be taken out this early on in the story (not until the final Volume, in fact), which leads me to believe that Cinder will indeed obtain both the Winter and Spring Maiden powers, and then later venture off to Vacuo to claim the final piece within the Summer Maiden.
On a related note, given Cinder's hatred for Atlas as revealed in the Volume 7 finale as well as the piece of her backstory that we got in "Midnight", and the possibility of her acquiring the Winter Maiden powers in the near future, I think it may be possible that Cinder will be the one to claim and use the Staff of Creation, purposely causing Atlas to fall and be destroyed as a result, out of revenge for its injustices against her. This harkens back to one of Cinder's songs, "When It Falls", which following the release of "Midnight" has begun to increasingly sound like Cinder's talking about Atlas "falling" in a more literal sense than the other kingdoms (e.g. *_"The pillars collapse in shame"_* may be referring to the collapse of the pillars that sustained Atlas's hard-light shields).
Well there's a very slight problem with this good theory: cinder needs to stay alive for the transfer to work and she ain't exactly in salems good graces at the moment
I feel like CInder getting the Fall Maiden Powers was because she killed Amber. I think the Powers don't have to be whole but can go to whoever the person is last thinking off before they died. Amber was in a coma so the last person in her mind would be her attacker and thus they went to her. I believe that the Grimm arm grabbing onto someone is a faster way of draining the Aura and that Cinder is So Eager for the Power she just goes about with the Arm from the Get Go. Aura is still around when its broken just in a disconnected state. Cinder is burning away at the wall of Aura until she can get through and once it breaks just vacuum up her aura.
imagine if summer was actually the summer maiden and transfered the powers to ruby and she hasn't discovered them yet
l o l
I’m pretty sure somebody from rooster teeth said that cinder didn’t get any of ravens powers. I think how it works is that she needs to absorb the aura since it’s connected to the maiden powers so she isn’t exactly sucking the powers at first, just the aura until she is able to access the powers.
Eddy mentioned, Cinder doesn't have any of Raven's Maiden powers.
Bro never stop doing TH-cam man these videos give me life
This will end badly... really badly...
As Ren would say "This is bad"
I want the analysis of volume 8 chapter 7 immedietly! 😱😱
Ikkkkkk I just watched it and I’m scared😖😬😖
@@AbrarKhan-pt8tx Lol, no doubt why 😁
@@AbrarKhan-pt8tx same here
Here’s what I think
To get someone’s maiden powers, you need to completely destroy their aura and kill them. By draining their aura, you drain their aura only. My proof about this is when amber was able to use her maiden powers even when her aura was broken. So therefore, draining their aura only weakened it and got it closer to breaking, and really didn’t take any of their powers at all.
Let me know if you think this makes sense!
So… kinda like that one book only character that could absorb aura? And the Maiden’s power is trying to reconnect with its host’s aura before moving on entirely so it binds to a new host that has the same aura still inside them from being absorbed
Cinder does not have the winter or spring Maiden powers i think I remember Rooster Teeth saying her siphoning ability need to break through their aura first
That’s incredibly inconsistent since aura is their soul protecting them, so even taking aura would get her the powers.
@@ferryn6877 somebody at rooster teeth already confirmed that cinder didn’t get any of the spring maiden’s powers, so we can assume that she needs to break aura to get the power. Theoretically speaking, she didn’t get any of penny’s power either.
Fall maiden power was also transferred to Pyrrha before Cinder killed Amber. Which means Ambers final thoughts were of Cinder because she was previously attacked. Pyrrha was next to Amber and out of site
Amber was in a coma after the assault, so even if Phyrra would've stand in front of her it wouldn't have changed anything.
We still don't know how the maiden powers work. Honestly I think it would make more sense that the more maiden powers Cinder takes the more corrupted she becomes. It honestly would make more sense if the powers were meant to stay apart and never come together.
I heard that it was confirmed Cinder didn’t get any of Raven’s maiden powers. So if that’s true, she probably didn’t get any from penny either.
I think this is very unlikely and I think ultimately Salem is going to throw cinder and take them for herself because if ozma knew how to give powers you definitely could give your powers away to make someone else stronger. Also if everyone had the same amount of powers during the old world then Salem has the powers of the maidens and more and can open the chambers also I would like to say that Salem can transform! I think this because Qrow and Ravens powers are from Ozmas so if they really were even even then Salem and transform and with the power of the death pool she can most likely transform into a Grimm.
remember, the only way cinder has obtained these powers, is through grimm, maybe the powers arn't stored in her, they're stored in the grimm, if thats the case, then they could be trying to transfere to the next host, unable to trapped by the grimm,.
also remember ruby's eyes can vaporize grimm, and salem told cinder to be careful, if ruby has learned to harness her eyes, cinder must take care. maybe if cinder's grim parts get vaporized, she losses any ability to use the maiden powers.
That's not true. She got a part of Ambers power through the absorbtion, yes. But the rest from killing Amber and Phyrra through 'natural order'.
@@EngineScypex then at best, she can "for sure" lay claim to the fall maiden powers, so even if she was absorbing powers from penny and raven, and even if 1 or both die and cinder gets the powers, all ruby has to do is use those eyes and bye bye to maiden powers (exept fall)
Waiting for Summer Maiden’s reveal
Eddy confirmed in a reddit AMA that Cinder didn't get any of the Spring powers
I address this about 2 and a half minutes into the video. What other answer could Eddy give to that question? He can't confirm if Cinder got some of the powers as that would hint/spoil future events in the show. Eddy might have been telling the truth, but he just as likely could have used that as an opportunity to mislead the audience
Well that can be applied to discredit any indirect offscreen info drop...
I'm more inclined to take his word on it
it would be cool if raven was the spring maiden and summer rose was the summer maiden xD that family would be so powerful xD
We need to shelve this idea. We would’ve had definitive confirmation around the maiden powers being partially transferred the same way we did when Cinder got half. We would see her gain some of the color of the other maiden aura. While the powers are attached to aura I think they’d need a majority or all of it to take the power.
I want to get your thoughts on a theory I heard about the Volumes themselves. This theory comes from Eruption Fang.
Each Volume represents one of the Four Seasons;
1+5: Spring (A new beginning).
2+6: Summer (Constant Adventures).
3+7: Autumn/Fall (Fun times followed by sudden drops).
4+8: Winter (Cold and Grief).
this would mean "out of the frying pan, and into the fire." Also I think Penny will become a real girl like Ponociio did and won't be turn into Grimm. Plus, I don't really see Cinder being turn into Grimm or kicked out, but I do see her posses three madden powers.
I feel like if Cinder manages to get Spring and Winter maiden powers, she'll go insane. Either from her hunger for power, or 4 possible voices in her head (Amber, Pyrrha, Penny, and Raven.)
One thing if the power belongs to Raven it doesn't mean that some of it was removed from her body and placed in another's. And another thing when comparing when the grimm is connected to a maiden the powers come in small bursts but when it was connected to Penny it looked more like a web just like when ever Aura is flared to protect/heal huntsmans and huntresses.
i'm really waiting for the next srph member...
are you going to show us next month or after febuary when volume 8 will end?
We sorta found out about Penny during Ep 8.
Here’s a question for you guys🪄✨✨✨✨
✨What could pennys semblance be?✨✨✨
She either doesn’t have one or shares Pietro’s, which we don’t know
Can she even get a semblance?
@@PrincessLockette technically she has aura even if it’s pietro’s and not her own I mean we don’t even know if he unlocked his either but regardless a semblance for penny is still possible
She's a robot, she doesn't have any.
@@awesome8831 nope she has pietros aura soooo technically she just didn’t unlock it yet
Theory - One thing I’ve been wondering is why Salem and cinder are attempting to steal the maiden powers? I mean I understand needing them to open the vaults, but as we saw with Raven she was planning on opening the vault anyway and James wants penny to open the vault so it doesn’t really make sense to me that Salem would want cinder to track down and take all the maiden powers for herself, especially as we already see having maiden powers essentially is limitless magic at least that what it appears to me so having the winter and fall maiden magic wouldn’t necessarily make her stronger in terms of magic. But I had a thought, as Salem stated she can’t find the fall vault, and knowing ozpin I wouldn’t see him making all the vaults so easily accessible seeing as the relics being brought together could mean the end of all life. So I had a theory that ozpin set it up so that the fall vault can’t be opened unless all 4 maidens open it as this would keep evil maidens from opening all the vaults and thsi way in an ideal world the only was to retrieve all 4 relics would be for the world to come together all 4 maidens to agree that it is the right time thus fulfilling the mission and thus securing humanities future. So Salem has cinder hunting all the maidens in order for her solely to fulfill this condition. This is just my theory and it very well could just be cinder’s power hungry nature but wanted to k ow what you thought.
What if both raven and penny die. Raven would think about yang and penny would think about Rwby.....
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Keep in mind that in Volume 3, when Cinder absorb a piece of the Fall maiden from Amber, Cinder wore a glove on her now Grim hand, which disappeared after the link to get the rest of the power was destroyed and she ended up absorbing the glove.
I think she might have gotten to the power, but the power wants to stay while, and “return to majority” and Amber had so much of it stolen that it was to broken to return
Current Maidens
Spring-Raven
Winter-Penny(somehow)
Fall/Autumn(it’s the same)-Cinder
Summer-unknown
Prediction for the Summer maiden
Likely would be Ruby since her moms name is Summer Rose and Ruby is the MC and Yang’s mom is the current spring maiden
Winter(just came to my mind ok) was supposed to become the next Winter maiden(my sister told me that) but it was Penny though the name might be confusing but everything makes a little sense
Yang is Ruby’s half sister and her mom Raven is the current spring maiden and her step mom is Summer Rose
Pls put some ideas can’t think of anything else
In a recent Q&A they stated Cinder didn't get any of Ravens powers and thus I imagine she didn't get any of Penny's either.
I wish they would show whether her absorbing those little bits made her stronger or just nothing because it wasn’t enough
I definitely have no words for this but it will not End well.
Grimm can drain aura from people ig they are connected,Which means cinder is draining the aura to make it easier to kill her target and once they die she gets the powers.
I just wanna say your thumbnails are great
Also you forgetting the fact that Pyrrha was absorbed not leaving a body behind so the maidens are connected with their physical body so if she had absorbed maiden powers no matter the amount the vessels would be weak.
I do really like the theory but didn't one of the lead writers in an AMA say that the spring and winter powers were so little that they just faded out of Cinder?
In my opinion you're overthinking a bit here without remembering facts.
In case of the previous fall maiden, Ozpin was worried because Amber wasn't awake after Qrow picked her up, so the attackers are most likely the last thought of her.
While it is indeed possible that the maiden powers ignore the rule if someone has a fraction of it, it's still just a theory: The only events that would back that theory up would be, that Cinder 'sucked' on Raven's and Penny's powers.
Compared to that, the theory has it's downsides. First it's hard to imagine that the 'maiden aura' has the ability to check if it's complete and search for remaining fractions. Also there's no natural event that could cause a splitting. Either the power will pass on if the owner dies, the power will be robbed (like Cinder or Phyrra/Oz did) or the owner can conrol the power to gift it to someone (like Oz did in the past).
And last but not least: While Cinder did steal a bit of Ravens and Pennys maiden power, she also did that with Amber - and in that case she got even enough that Amber wasn't able to recover from it.
Still she got the remaining parts of the fall maidens power in natural order: She killed both, Amber and Phyrra. And it's likely that Cinder was both last thought, since they fought against her.
As for the absorbtion: I would say that the maidens powers merge with the aura of it's owner. That would explain, why Amber didn't awake after the assault.
To your argument regarding stealing the power of Penny: If Cinder could've deplete Penny's aura that would be the best way. But I don't think Penny would've just tanked that spear. She should be smart enough to know, that it's worthless to hold on the construct if a deadly attack is incoming.
I personally am invested in the summer maiden and the relic in vacuo.
Well... Cinder did lose both of those fights and yes, she was at a disadvantage at least in the case with Raven, as she didn't notice the debris that was about to fall right on top of her and as Raven managed to freeze her in place while Cinder was "absorbing" whatever it was that she was absorbing, whether it was aura or maiden power. It's also possible that rather than absorbing the aura, the grimm arm was depleting it, and, since Cinder was obviously acting irrationally at least in the fight versus Raven, didn't fully understand her grimm arm's ability. Cinder from volumes 4+ hasn't really been as calculating as Cinder from volumes 2 and 3 (I don't list 1 because what we saw of her in that volume was hardly anything at all), so maybe she lost a few functioning brain cells when she lost that eye with Ruby's optic blast; so yes, it is quite possible that Cinder was just acting irrationally.
In the fight versus Penny, while she was highly impulsive and while Penny was focusing on other things at the time Cinder grabbed on to her, there's still the fact that she went there with no plan whatsoever. She just appeared there blasting things like the lunatic that she has become.
Lastly, in the case of Amber, both Ozpin and Ironwood stated that they weren't sure if the powers would seek the other half and that the procedure that they were planning to do to Pyrrha was not a certainty that it would work. As for Amber having Cinder as her last thoughts, it's not impossible, since her eyes were closed when Pyrrha walked up to her, but opened immediately when Cinder's arrow sank into her chest, and upon opening her eyes, the last female she saw while still alive was Cinder.
Whether it's the GRIMM parts that are dangerous or it's the raw magic insider her or BOTH that wouldn't be wise. I'm NOT fully aware what Mounty Oum (R.I.P.) had in mind for the maidens all together originally. Neither do I know what the staff plan to do, but it's clear that there should be 4 maidens, not 1.
I think the magic will kill Cinder in the end.
1st scenario) She dies from the conflicting GRIMM parts in her body due to the magic.
2nd scenario) She dies from the overwhelming amount of magic she absorbed.
In the series it's been EONS since the world could use magic. If people are/ are not exposed to outside forces long enough they become weak. Like how ancient dinosaur type germs could wipe out half of mankind. At ONE point the germs were just a cold type allergy, bed ridden for a week at most. If released NOW, mortality rate would be worse than COVID.
Even if the maiden powers were from Ozpin and are still connected to him, he gave it up because he hardly had enough of his own magic left. Since the magic is so weak it is probably the main, or ONLY, reason why it changes from user to user.
If the maiden powers were returned into one body, it's likely that body will be burned out and the magic with it.
Regardless of how you slice it, Cinder is going to kill herself in her pursuit of power.
What if Ruby and Yang both get the maiden powers?
Yang ok but not ruby they would just break her she already has Silver eyes I think that's enough broken abilities for one main character.
@@MIR_ilmenite Very true, but if Penny dies and most likely think about Ruby. There’s a possibility Ruby gets the maiden powers. It’s not uncommon for a main protagonist being overpowered in someway.
But then again for interesting twist. If Pennys dies from the Grim or Cinder. The powers could go to Winter. Who then could also die from Salem. Then transfer to her sister Weiss. Now both Yang and Weiss are maidens.
Who knows maybe all of team Rwby could some how end up being the new maidens.
Maybe it’s the amount of energy drain that can make you fully a maiden.
I have a really interesting theory which doesn’t involve cinder.
I’m kinda interested in the fate of Arthur Watts after the potential fall of Atlas he’s practically useless to Salem. Watts’ skill sets are too specific since he can only hack technology but can barely hold on his own against Ironwood with the environment and technology on his side. He might go down with the kingdom.
I'm more in line with since the show seems to be all about balance and everything is in 4ths: 4 kingdoms, 4 acadamies, 4 members to a team, 4 seasons, 4 maidens, etc.; are we even sure that 1 person can posess more than 1 maiden's powers at a time? That could explain why whenever she goes against another maiden she fails, like the "divine hand of fate" interfering.
Well, the whole power was a part of Oz before. It could be different after gifting them and the whole rule-thing but that's pure speculation.
It may be irrelevant because Cinder will die before Raven and Penny.
Ya I'm pretttty sure Penny is gonna be that new vessel. Salem, being able to control her Grimm arm is going to have it latch onto Penny and instead of absorb the powers she will deplete them giving Fall to Penny, leaving Cinder powerless yet again
I’m thinking that cinder is just going crazy and is impatient
First, I don't think cinder has any of the spring or winter maidens powers since I'm pretty sure that Cinder can't drain maiden powers until there aura's are gone . Also, I don't think Cinder will get the chance to take another maiden's powers, after seeing her backstory I'm more convinced than ever that Juane is going to kill her. In her flashback Cinder killed her step mother, sisters and her trainer/father figure the only piece missing from the Cinderella comparison is her prince charming. And since Cinder killed all the people that Cinderella was supposed to overcome I think it makes sense that the man who gave Cinderella salvation would be the one to kill Cinder.
Count how many times he says "Disadvantageous"
Interesting theory
Eddy Rivas confirmed that she didn't steal any of Raven's power. Their aura has to break first
I was thinking, what would happen if Cinder absorbed all the maiden powers. Would she explode from an overdose of power, or would she covet more power and think, "Hey wait a minute, Salem has more power than me...why not steal Salem's magic?" Or would Salem try to make herself the last person in Cinder's thoughts?
Yang will obviously become the Spring Maiden and I'm calling Nora to be the Winter Maiden
I have a theory that rwby is the last maiden and she doesn’t know what if the silver eyes is the only power that maiden can have I say this because of the way the eyes light up and by the fact that the maiden power eye glow thingy goes to the side of their eye and so does rubies silver eyes.
So maiden powers work sorta like the Phoenix force from X-Men comics. I also thought the maiden powers were attracted to a person's life.
I know this is a bit off topic but I'm thinking Nora gonna become the Summer Maiden if she survives the season
Your going to do a video about that new function of Ren semblance in the mid-season finale, aren't you?
Yup I definitely plan to 😊
@@PhoenixNight Thought so :) Still looking forward toward your video on what everyone can do thanks to Jaunes semblance, but I get it. You've got the review for the mid-season finale and the holidays coming up. Take your time. Love your videos.
Great work Phoenix
How do maiden powers work?
Raven is the spring maiden, yet she used ice magic
Cinder is the fall maiden yet used fire magic
Also why is ruby's mum's name summer?
Same for winter being called "winter"
they can all use fire ice wind and other elements like that the names are different but they basically all have the same powers but different names and can open different vaults
I don't think Penny even has aura (in the same sense as others). It's never even shown itself during battle, never flickered upon taking damage, never protected her from taking damage like in her fights. She has shown with damage to herself and her clothes regardless. It may just be a power source for her, a source that the magic is more than simply bound to, their aura being the maiden powers themselves
She had a green aura before. Also Pietro implaned his Aura in her, he even explained that ;)
@@EngineScypex When! When did she ever show she actually HAS aura. Not the green eyes, not the source of power that's nothing more than a battery, an actual aura (barrier) 🙄 the thing that would have saved her from getting sliced in volume 3 🤔
Didn't she use something other than her arm to absorb Amber's powers? Something that shot out a web that hit Amber in the face? I'm drawing a blank on what it actually was
It’s a good theory but we don’t know how the maiden powers work yet. Does a certain amount have to be siphoned before it seeks out its other half? If raven dies will the majority of the power go to the person in her last thoughts and the tiny bit Cinder took will follow?
So, I agree with what Phoenix said about the powers possibly going to Cinder but didn’t Penny’s Aura come from Pietro? I could be wrong on that but anyway, if Penny does die, would the powers go to Pietro or would they be in like a dormant state until Penny is rebuilt? Or would they just go to Cinder outright?
They can't go to Pietro at all
He's not a young woman
@@noblegas8485 Yeah, I know. They say that the Maiden powers can’t go to any males but has it actually been proven? Like actually on screen proven? It’s been said yes but I don’t think it’s been proven. I’m stubborn when it comes to things said but not shown especially for ongoing series. It could possibly happen and it could just be a lie that it can’t go to a male. It might not be a lie but still
@@Duiccanann There's a difference. That wasn't an offscreen lore drop. It was something stated by characters on the screen, in a moment where they had no reason to lie, based on generations of direct observation.
I'm p sure it was announced that cinder didnt get any of ravens powers (idk Penny's but I'd assume not?) Dont quote me tho, I only remember hearing it
Ok so I just rly want to say this spoiler alert
So with the cliff hanger of war I think penny will be put in the same bed as Nora and since Nora is like rly injured penny might think about Nora when she dies and transfers the powers to Nora ps: got this idea because nora’s last name is Valkry and the last winter maidens name was freya theu are both from Norse mythology
Ohh don't forget the time of drain each scene im pretty sure each scene of madiens being drained are the same length.
All I'm wondering is WHO THE F@CK IS THE SUMMER MAIDEN!
I think they would not go to cinder if its a direct transfer like penny holding the hand of winter maiden while on the other hand I agree with this theory if the maiden is killed in by supirse or in battle and thinks of a man like raven thinks of her brother
What if they think about a dead person. would the maiden powers dissipate, or would it choose a random new host?
Random host, I am gonna assume.
After all, vol 3.
It was stated. That the maiden powers can't be given to a male or someone that's old.
So it would be best to assume, the powers would be given to a random.
If the maidens last thoughts were a dead person.
So about penny and being alive.
Good theory
I mean she sucked a little of their power out, so if they die the power seeks out its missing parts right?
Can't ruby use her silver eyes to petrify all of the grimm?
Do you think Roman can still return this season
Cinder was too power hungry to have a brain...
Where’s the summer maiden in all of this we’ve heard about 3 of the maidens but summer summer seams to be nonexistent
Well, I think it's reasonable to assume Cinder was getting the maiden powers without having to break the aura first. Otherwise I don't think the maiden powers would be able to transfer while said aura was up, as with Fria and Penny in V7.
Vol 8 chapter 7 is great
I disagree
@@childoficeandfire7986 Whys that? I'm interested to know your opinion
@@studyguy.7660 personally I want the villians to have a great victory this volume, right now things are going pretty bad for team Salem, there is so much disunity and I don't like it.
I heard that it was debunked that cinder got any of ravens power
amber became a vegetable lol.... im sure that cinder didnt get any of the powers.... also you said that if raven or penny died the powers would want to be whole. so what would happen if cinder died with 3 different maiden powers ? would it split 3 different ways lol
I don't think that cinder is horribly written I think it's intentional.
No I don't agree here. Didn't Pyrrha get a tiny bit of Amber's power? Why didn't she get the power? Because Cinder was the last person in sight
if she gets all 3 maiden powers ima drop the show
Do keep in mind what Raven said about the arm. It is Grimm do aura can't affect it. Meaning I doubt she can drain aura through it anyway. So it must be magic.