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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 มิ.ย. 2024
- Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee open with some takeaways from yet another Leafs’ first-round exit in Game 7 to Boston. Elliotte Friedman joins the crew in-studio to discuss the Leafs' looming offseason, what role new MLSE CEO Keith Pelley plays in the front office direction, Shanahan's future as president, how the Mitch Marner trade market is shaping out and more!
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0:00 - Leafs Lose in Game 7 (Again)
29:18 - Leafs’ Big Picture Perspective
49:25 - Summer Shake-Up with Elliotte Friedman
1:13:54 - Bowness Retires, Vegas Exits, Matthews’ Selke Nomination
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I know that Kyper sees Marner as a son he always wanted but damn man. Enough defending him. Kudos for Bourne to call him out.
Kyper is correct. Marner wasn’t the issue. The entire team couldn’t score and the entire team failed on the PP. I cannot believe fans can’t see the issue was the coach. Did Keefe ever have this team overachieve in the playoffs? Marner played bad, I am not excusing it. But what the heck did Keefe do to address anything? He played Brodie non stop and did nothing to fix his play either. What adjustments did he make to get the players playing better? When the coach fails to get the best out of the roster every playoffs it’s his fault. Leafs got to conference finals when they had actual coaching and the team played above their normal play. This is the real problem not Marner. He played great when Babcock was here. Fans are scapegoating the wrong person. The Leafs were outplayed by every single team that Keefe coached against. Tampa series needed 3 OT wins and I didn’t think they deserved to win that series either. When the entire team underachieves every year and loses every game 7 you make a freaking coaching change. That or trade the entire team. But we know this is a good team based on the regular season. And when did they ever play better than the regular season in the playoffs? Never. Their best hockey was way better than in April. Every year. That’s not on Marner. That’s on the coach.
Marner will be fine. You trade him if you see he doesn’t work with a real coach who knows how to manage players. Trading away a top 10 talent makes no sense if a coach can get him to do the right things in the playoffs. Keefe never held players accountable for bad play and he was the problem Marner was ineffective. The whole team couldn’t generate offense and people think the issue was Marner? It’s the freaking coach who is responsible for responding to defensive strategy. PP made zero adjustments. And it wasn’t just the PP.
@@disinformationworld9378 You're aware Guy Boucher runs the PP, right? Are you saying Keefe tells them to make STUPID no look passes, high risk sauces through 3 defenders, move the puck slowly and look for a perfect play/only for Auston to be set up?! That is on the players - I've seen Keefe SCREAMING to move the puck, they don't.
If you as a player need your coach to bring the best out of you, to get you up to play in a playoff game, make you start on time, teach you how - as an 11 million dollar player - to score on the powerplay, to look over your shoulder for an opponent, to hustle on the backcheck, not to make stupid line changes... You're DEEPLY flawed as a player and need to go.
Marner isn't the *only* issue, but at the end of the day, the players aren't performing when it matters and changes NEED to happen. Both players and coaches.
Yes he sounded really tone deaf. His discussion belonged in the past. This is 2024. Leafs streak of strikeouts is astonishing. Even compared to all major professional leagues.
Kyper sounds absolutely clueless here. I stopped listening when he said "I was always a winger" yeah your 4 points and 30 playoff games knows it all. Brutal take for a guy I usually don't mind
Marner's contract is a problem but by no means even close to being THE problem for Toronto. I don't think trading him really gets Toronto closer to.playoff success. An inadequate bottom 6 forward group, a subpar blue line, and inconsistent and injury-prone goaltending all have to be addressed.
Bourne is exactly right, all Kyprios does is try to provide cover for Marner.
Good on him for calling out Kyprios.
You know what would be super Leafy? Toronto gets rid of Marner & Taveras, they both do extremely well on other teams, and the Maple Leafs continue to suck in future playoffs because a certain someone who stays behind only cares about his paycheck and his regular season records.
Ehh I agree marker wasn’t good enough but it’s not like Tavares was or Matthews the 70 goal scorer
What is his connection to Marner? Why does he defend him so much?
Not sure where Kyper was coming from in this one. In the Shanahan discussion he was alluding to thinking "big picture". What is weighing eight years of a failed strategy? Being caught up in the emotions of the moment? Makes no sense.
Kyper is the only one with a brain
Nick, call it what it is. Marner is scared of contact. It can’t be anymore clear. No team will pay him 12 million a year.
I'd be surprised if any team paid him 9mil
confrontation as well, willy n austin arnt much better either
@@chyeaOGKush I don't know, Marner sure punished his gloves, that was pretty confrontational...
A ton of teams would pay him that look at how dumb gms get in ufa time lol
@@stuffnsuch631 Prepare to be surprised.
I’ve listened all season, find the show entertaining & not even a leafs fan but I’m honestly shocked by Kip’s response to Marner’s on ice play
Kyper has the irrational love for Marner some Leafs fans do
It's become obvious this year that Kyper is shilling for Marner. I would even suggest Kyper gets a % on Marner's next deal
Nah not a leafs fan and I agree with Kyp. Rielly sucked, matthews sucked, and tavares sucked, etc.
Kyper woke up and chose to be unbearable today
Every day.
This was tough to listen to, some clear bias in this conversation. Deflect everything off of 16 and put it on everyone else
Ehhh I disagree marner is 100% at fault but this idea the other 3 played well is dumb marner wasn’t the only reason they lost but I get matthews is god in Toronto and could never do wrong
There’s 20 players on the team but ya let’s blame the rw for losing in 7 games…leaf fans wanna a scapegoat so bad
The difference between Marchant and Marner is you still get lots from Marchant when he’s not getting points but you get nothing from Mich when he isn’t.
Mitch will never be a Marchant. Most will never be a Marchant. Mitch however will get you into the playoffs over and over again.
"Marchan"D", not Marchan"t".
what are you talking about, his defensive play was superb, what Mitch was lacking was support offensively
Didnt Todd Marchant retire years ago 😉
Mitch is that buddy that will get you to the prom, but not get you laid!
Thank you Bourne for calling out Kyper’s bias towards Marner. There seems to be more than Kyper just thinking Mitch is a good player. Does he have business with Marner or his camp? That would explain why he is willing to put his integrity aside as a host to defend Marner, even when it is justified. He gets very defensive and tries to shift anything criticism towards Matthews/others.
The greatest goalie in world can't stop pucks when you have a bunch of left-overs & has-beens as defensemen. But that's what Toronto has had for years since they decided to put all their cap space in just a few forwards. The Maple Leafs are all regular season supers and playoff pushover puppies. Getting rid of Marner will not change that as long as a certain someone who wears 34 only cares about his paycheck and his regular season records. When you finally get someone who plays with grit then the Leafs will win.
@@gregorybiestek3431Mathews led them in hits. He isn't a pushover.
Marner and Willy just really need to go imo
It’s pretty gross
@@people3865 not Willy please
@@people3865 I bet you wouldn't be able to actually find footage of any real hits that Matthews laid in this series. It's a garbage stat when you actually watch the games. His excuse for what happened sounds like he's struggling to find a decent enough reason for missing important games when there isn't an excuse that is good enough. Matthews should be receiving more of the criticism.
Why does Kyprios defend Marner so much
Because he was a nhl player and he knows better then you and what it's all about
$$$
Because everyone else is against him and wants to sound impartial
That, and also it's good content. The whole setup with McKee is really quite adroit. I don't know where they came up with that guy, but it's a rare combination. So Kypreos plays the foil at times, and it really juices the conversation.
Payola 😊
I couldn't HANDLE one more minute of Tavares or Marnier on this team.
Maaaaaaaaaaaaan...Nick must have replaced Dregger on the Paul Marner/Darren Ferris payroll. Even Elliot was like..."BRUH"
Why is everyone asking whether they're "close"? Because they ALMOST make it out of the first round? Calgary was "close" in 2004. Even Montreal was "close" in 2021! The furthest the Leafs have gone in the last decade is losing the second round in five. Saying they're "close" because they almost made it out of the first round is going to lead to more stagnation for the next decade.
THIS!!! THANK YOU! finally someone else gets it. that mentality alone has spoke volumes like are they serious? acting as though getting past the first is some major accomplishment. smh its pathetic,
I wonder this all the time. "Close" made more sense 8 years ago, when we saw a future. I don't see it now.
Saying close is so bizarre. They are always in the 8-16 team class packing their suitcases
Close was when we gave the Caps a run in the post-season as rookies. Ever since it’s been disappointment after disappointment. Literally no progress except last year and then we get torched in round 2 anyways and knocked in 5.
Close is when you're tampa and you go to a finals, then two game 7 ecf.
Wow, Kipper, the Marner apologist!! Get rid of that Diva Marner!
Kyper keeps defending Marner. His childish attitude and contract are unbearable. The fact remains he is the worst contributor in the playoffs of the top 4. No way this player is worth 11 m.
The worst contributer has the most points? I'm actually done with how stupid everyone is. You're all haters.
@@stevelouis4664 Numbers on a computer screen don't equal winning. I'm done with all the smart people who don't watch hockey and only see Mitch's secondary assists on paper
@@stevelouis4664 If you actually watched the 2023 playoffs, where he had 14 points in 11 games, you would have seen that Marner had one really good game, and then a bunch of mediocre to bad games, some in which he collected a bunch of fluff points. Very similar to Johnny Gaudreau's 2022 playoffs (14 points in 12 games) where he had one or (perhaps) two really good games and then 10 where he looked like a mediocre perimeter push-over. Stat watching should honestly be illegal.
Sorry Kyper, can’t defend that take. Mitch can’t be below two people who literally were out half the series or were sick when he is one of the highest paid players in the league. Nylander had more goals than Mitch and Tavares combined when playing 3 fewer games, and Matthew had more points than both of them combined and he missed one game and was sick the rest. Mitch wasn’t even close to good enough.
And Pasta was Mitches man, Willy was in his spot, although it looked bad he was in his spot. Had he left, the middle of the ice would have been completely open. I’m not saying Willy looked good there, but yeah, he was in his spot and Mitch wasn’t covering Pasta
have a feeling paul and kyp are buddys
Marner should have picked up Pasta, end of story. Every Leaf player should have been looking for open players to cover or at least be very close to them. But Marner just floated back.
Winners make commitments. Losers make excuses.
21 power play opportunities and 1 goal say's their high-powered offense is not that powerful.
Kyprios making every excuse for Marner is so weird... Is he on his payroll or something?
Maybe he's friends with his dad
He’s got a soft spot for the kid; that’s all
To be fair, I really think it was coaching that was the problem. Less the players, unless they simply ignored good coaching.
Matthews played last playoffs with a wrist that needed surgery and Kyper has the gall to call him soft?? When his golden boy is actively avoiding contact like the plague??
What about all the playoffs before last year? Matthews hasn’t shown up ever in an entire series
This is a mental block. Change captain and get a top D. Losing Marner will hurt but it’s time
That's the worst take, everyone has. It's just bad, and not possible.
Top pairing, RHD are not traded.
@@people3865some 2nd pairing offensive RHD’s are stuck behind a 1RHD in a good team and can improve after given the chance to if traded. they’re acquirable
sammy is a great guy to have on the panel. i started watching at the beginning of the playoffs and thought he was nuts and said a lot of nonsense but he does bring a perspective that makes this show more interesting
Turns out, he’s right most of the time
Yes he does and I’d love to have a rum with him, and I’m not a Leaf’s fan!
When Kyper said " Big picture, he still has more playoff points than all of them" I legit let out a loud groan. My eyes couldn't have rolled back farther.
Is Paul Marner Kyper's bff and we don't know?
Pelley is doing a Friday presser w Shanahan and Treliving? So Shanahan is staying? Bizarre already. If Shanahan stays, I'm out. I don't need any more of this crap in my leisure time.
it could be temporary. Pelley is new, perhaps he wants to learn how things are run before he fires him.
Shanahan going to step down
Could be same as what new GMs do with coaches…
I'm 61 die hard leaf fan and for the first time I wasn't disappointed because I just don't give a f%#@ about the leafs anymore. Finally, I didn't even watch. Unlike my friends my mental health is great . Go Oilers.
54 and didnt give an F about winning cuz this team is trash and losing is the only thing they can succeed at
Abandoned the Leafs and picked a team that doesn't win either lmao good call
1 series win in the last 19 seasons!!!!!!!!!!!
BRUTAL
you cant go 20 powerplayes without scoring thats the diff
Obviously. But in a larger picture a lot more needs to change.
I LOVE the Annual Leafs Locker Clean-out day!!!!!
Boston just destroyed Florida with Swayman looking unreal again.
I happily skipped the SMelliot segment!
I have a feeling that nobody gets traded and nobody gets fired 😅
Kipper really not having any Marner negativity … are they buds or something?
Does this sound familiar? The Leafs don't have a true #1 stud defenceman that you need to win a Stanley Cup. Makar, Hedman etc.. I've been commenting that season after season.
A fire sale is needed!!
When you make 11 mil, your expected to make the impact of 3 players making 3.5 m. Marner and Tavares aren't even close. Also how didn't they learn the lesson of high cost players leave massive holes when injured. Remember Tavares getting brained on perry's knee?
I am honestly relieved. We’ve know for years this mix and salary structure does not work. If they come back in that series I could see them keeping Keefe saying they were impressed by how they came back and won with all the injuries.
Why you relieved? Nothing will change
Marner and Tarvares have to go and matthews needs the c and bring some new blood in that will go in the corners and take a hit and dig the puck out
Won’t but should
I will say that we're is Dubus ? You can't blame him for the lose ! Who can you blame for the lose? The players No one else but the people on the Ice . Thanks again for your time and video! Thanks again! Jim
Of course you can blame Dubas lol. He signed all these guys to insane deals.
@@people3865He also wanted to trade Marner before Marner had protection and he got canned. mistake. Shanahan deserves more of the blame anyway than Dubas because he’s the one saying yes or no to the trades- Dubas never had the chance to do what he actually wanted.
He screwed the team over when their future was looking better than it has since 1967. Signed Tavares to 11 mil when they didn't need a center, then gave marner and Matthews their deals when he had all the leverage on their rfas. Couldn't prioritize defense, goaltending and toughness. He should be public enemy #1 for the leafs fans
This had to be mind numbingly painful for Leaf fans. I was rooting for you guys, as an old sabre fan, this team has earned it. They fought Boston every game and came up a hair short. One save from Sammy, what a difference. Hard loss. Sad for the break up, this could have been a special team.
You spend half your cap on offence
YOU GOT NO OFFENCE
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But so close! Let's run it back one more time!!
What's that definition of insanity again???
Tavaras was better than marner
Thanks, Sammy!
The Leafs played better without Mathews and Samsonov
Nick Marner propping up Mitch’s value this pod
Toronto fans are a bit dumb. Publicly exiling Marner like they did Kadri, then they will wonder why they get 5 cents on the dollar. Lmao
Mathews wasnt healthy. He looked like he was going to pass out on the bench all night.
Sammy stood on his head all night only to let 2 heartbreakers in to kill everyones dreams. Going going gone.
Marns is not going to make his case as an Auston Mathews money player, by remaining a Leaf in a contract year. In Toronto he is now on the second line.
He has to go elsewhere and prove us all wrong.
As a hockey fan, game 7 was incredible. I almost pissed my pants by not wanting to leave the game.
Now the off season will be the most exciting. All the inevitable change is coming.
I'm curious how this team, especially the core, would have a Quenneville or a Trotz type coach.
Does Marner have a summer golf tournament that Kyp plays in every summer?
What the hell is Kyper smoking?
Please get Bourne his own podcast. Can't stand listening to the other two but Bourne has terrific analysis and insights. He's always on point. I really struggle to listen to a full K&B episode though because of the nonsense coming out of Kyper and Mckee's mouths.
Wow. The Marner defense from Kyp. He just isn’t getting it. Marner was bad. PERIOD. .
Tim and sid set. How dare you stand where he stood
All this call for change, but has everyone forgot that Dubas left last offseason? That was a bombshell that has not played out yet. Treliving said he wanted to take this season to assess the team and he has. Treiving was hired late in the offseason and did not have much time to make needed changes. Thus willl be the first full off season Treliving has to begin his era. A coaching change is a major move, just as the Oilers if a different coach makes a difference. Removing Shanny is a terribe idea because theres not a better option. Shanny stopped Dubas from trading Knies and a 1st round pick for Fleury and that was huge.
Shanny also stopped Dubas from trading Marner lol
@@Nathanielhiggerson66when? For who? I heard that rumour but it was never confirmed.
They're in the results business. The results show they can't do it, regardless of what they say or how they played in games 5, 6, and 7. Injuries not an excuse. Same crap talk points ... proud of the guys, love these guys, we're close, etc.
You can't try to win when you play3 great games you have to play all 7 games in the series if that what it takes ? Not 3 games but All of them ! Thanks again!
it took 8 years to finally play PO hockey for the last 3 games... these guys are bums top to bottom. Keep 34 and 88,, everyone else is up for trades or u hauls
@@Sir_GodzKeep Domi, Bert. Mccabe, Benoit, Knies as well
Shanahan what does he do? He hired the gm so he manages one employee and the gm manages the coaches and gets all the players. So there is no need for shanahan. Most useless wasted money. Worse then JT contract
Leaf hour should be the Stars hour for the remainder of playoffs eh boys!?!?
I can't normally handle Kyper's takes, but it seems like he may be the only one that sees Matthews better than the rest of these fanboys.
That look on Sammy's face when JB said they made his son cry... like... he's finally old enough to know what being a Leaf fan is.
38:50 SAMMY! WHY DONT YOU JUST PULL OUT A SLEEPING BAG? rofl I love when kypreos gets mad
I do think Mariner needs to be traded, he is not worth a pay raise right now. The leafs would get something worth while for him. Keefe should also be removed. However, after saying all this. Emotions are still high right now, let the dust settle first. If Tavares wants to stay, then he should take a pay cut and move down the lineup.
How many Leaf fans are or have been in therapy?
Every year has been disappointing and yet they tell us that they are focused on getting better every year! 🤯🥴💔
Why does Kyper act like he’s not a Leafs fan? The guy’s main audience is all leafs fans so stop pretending bruh! Big ups to Sammy to actually admit he’s a leafs fan.
sammys job is to bring out what leafs fans think. thats the format
You’re tripping. kyper’s whole whole show was found on the premise of being a Leafs only show. Kyper should stop pretending that’s all I’m saying. He grew up in Toronto, watched the leafs as a kid, played for the leafs, writes articles in the Toronto star about them and has a show dedicated to them, an hour now anyway. He’s only lying to himself
@@zeejafri6398 They have to disagree or you won’t have a show. It’s the format- sports media business is all about hot takes
I like what Sheldon said: Marner does a lot of good things defensively that doesn't always show up on the score sheet. (paraphrasing)
The problem is, that's not what Mitch is paid to do. He's paid to be a big point producer.
So if he wants to help the team win and is committed to being a Leaf, there's no way he can keep this $11 million dollar contract. It makes zero sense.
Treliving NEEDS to either renegotiate the contract down much much lower, or trade Marner. That's the only way I see this team moving forward.
Imagine the real problem is the team doctors coddling the players when they have paper cuts and not clearing them to play.
The worst part about the Woll injury is that is happened on that nothing goal with 0.1 seconds left. Him not being in the lineup for game 7 gave Boston a physiological boost. If Woll was in net maybe the Leafs crack Boston earlier in that game. But that is not the reason they lost. If the Powerplay went 20-25% through the first 4 games the Leafs could have been up in the series 3-1 instead of behind 3-1. The coaches, Shanahan and Marner need to be gone.
Game 7 was a good game to watch
Kyper is the voice of reason. Thank god for Kyper. Cause Sammy and Bourne are 2 clowns
I don't understand how the Leafs can NEVER sign a player without a complete no-move clause? Isn't the point of negotiation that both sides to give a little? How can Leafs not be able to get them to agree to no-move clause that becomes a limited-move clause in the final two years? With the money they throw at these guys how can they not get at least that?
The team has gotten much closer. You dont blow up the team, that is stupid. Keep building on it.
We could of missed playoffs like Buffalo 13 years in a row
I hope the Leafs stay the same, maybe they will meet the Habs in the playoffs next spring and Montreal can take them out again.
Carolinas Broka-canes....cheapo vison in full effect.
Come on kypreos, Marner has been atrocious.
Is a Season one game ?
Great season
Kyper the reason people are not going after Tavares as hard is because he battles out there. Sure, he's slower and no longer an elite scorer worth 11 mill, but he still kills it in the faceoffs, goes into the tough areas to battle for pucks and still contributes offensively. Besides, after their respective contracts are up, who's looking for a raise and who's looking at a reduction in pay? Many many reasons why people are all over your precious Marner.
If I were a Leafs fan Chris Tanev would be number 1, 2, and 3 on my list. He would improve your entire team.
Coaching staff has to change. Guy Boucher should not be the power play coach
To suggest this team needs to continue is insanity. The core 4 needs to go. Keep Nylander. Management and coaching needs to go. 69 goals are useless if you disappear in the playoffs. Rebuild time.
25:45 lol
The Leafs had a two man advantage, not one goal
It was as if an old leafs curse found yet another way to take them down. I don’t really believe in curses but this is very strong evidence that something weird is going on here. That being said take away the performance of game one game three and game four of the leafs did very well but those games were a total disaster.
Sure I said that a long time ago with tanev and andersson instead of rieilly, brodie, liljegren that would very fine
this team needs tweaks, not a blow up. We actually made strides in the defence department, just gotta make a few more.
Spread the money out a bit more.
8 years of tweaks. Stop.
First round exit - AGAIN!
-Extend Domi, Burtuzzi, Mcabe, Edmunson, Lybushkin
-Tavares signs a team friendly deal and drops the C
-Mathews becomes new captain
-Marner doesn't deserve to be paid more than willy and the leafs won't win a Marner trade. Marner takes a deal and stays in Toronto
-keep Keefe
-fire the PP coach
-Trade Rielly and search for a real threat from the blue line
-Run it back another year under Treeliving
Pee pee milkshake was hilarious.
great leafs team this year, almost pulled it off
Just watching Florida vs Boston hell yeah
Gonna be one hell of a series. As someone that despises both teams.
The Leafs are not close with Rielly as a number one defenceman. Period.
Even tho willie came back and of the 4, produced of what you'd expect to see from your stars. But I still stand by that if Bobby McMann was a more needed body in that line up. Big, physical, plays around the net. Yeah the old dogs of Boston are finally going. But they have a young gritty group coming up. If they can replace their stars with FA's if none of these young guys elevate to that next level, then they'll still be a playoff style team. Toronto now finally has a glimpse of that, but now ya gotta make real moves. 8 years of revolving third and fourth line players and thinking that's enough.
Marner is the new Holl, punching bag, whipping boy, his face is on dartboards of Leaf fans... lol, if I'm him I'm taking $100 mil to send me packin... with aviator glasses sayin' so long suckas! (I like this guy, and he's a good dude... but we need to shed salary, its a math problem!) Rielly look at moving him out too (if possible) holy jumpin!!!!
Why are people surprised at the result, again? When you have ~50% of the cap left to form a 'team' around 4 players, the result will always be the same.
1 for 21 PP. What is that?
Why is this not [the] focus?
Tavares is a nice guy, great guy all day but you can’t strip the C and keep him resigned at a lower price, doesn’t work in the room. 3 points in 7 games @ 11M or whatever it is from your Captain, is just unacceptable. I know we all envisioned this last year of his to be his twilight and maybe keep him in a lesser role for a victory lap but that was with at least a ring if not two. If he wants to help the team, he can waive if not let em’ go at the end of the year and bring in some new leadership with a new Captain from within.
This was barely talked about. Thoughts?
I think the “weird hit” was a horse collar style take down from McAvoy. The NHL should look into some of those as well, it can be as bad as a knee on knee the way guys are getting bent over backwards.
Dear Sportsnet, give Sammy a bigger voice on this show or maybe his own.
Shanny resigns on Friday is my gut, he's going to be fired... but he falls on his sword. I love you all, sorry I couldn't get it done. Still a hall-of-famer player, big whoop for him.
My mothers sister worked for Frank Mahovich in Toronto 😂Toronto Toros travel agency 🔥🇨🇦
That last goal was soooooo pathetic. Who had Pasternak?
Marner was supposed to pick Pasta up.
If you retain 50% of his salary for the year, there are plenty of teams who would take John Tavares off your hands. Gives you half the cap back.