Great video! I’ve been on the fence between s22 and master. I’ve been leaning toward the master more lately but the lack of battery redundancy is a concern of mine. Thanks for all the info, it makes me feel a bit more confident if I do decide to stick with the s22.
Riding in Portland atm. Considering moving to Las Vegas. Started riding about 2 months ago. Bought and sold a Gotway/Begode Mten3 and also bought Litech Gotway/Begode EX N HT. Cracked the case of the Ex n on the first ride 🙄 Repaired it and duct taped packing pads for added protection and control. 2 days later, I cracked the case complexly on the part facing the front part of the EUC while jumping a curb. Repaired that and now I really need to buy a new case for this poor EXN. I'm hoping this Hero can take some abuse as well. Ik the back tail light won't stand up to a light fall. Great video btw. I love watching other riders crash when the rider breaks down what they did wrong and why.
*hello super video in a beautiful setting it is absolutely divine I subscribe directly please what protective equipment do you use they seem effective would you have a link or just a description thank you*
Good review Bro. Appreciate your honest indepth opinion of this wheel. I preordered the S22 and I'm definitely sticking with it. I feel like Begode hurried up and rushed out this wheel without any pre-planning. It was just a wheel meant to steal the S22 's thunder. I trust Kingsong's safety features and build quality a lot more than this wheel. I definitely belive that the S22 will be the best selling wheel of the two. Thanks again. Keep it up.
One Wheel is the same technology as an EUC, its just the design of OW, which has less battery on its skateboard and even more prone to crashes. Its a design with many limitation. You can get Veteran Sherman Max 3600 Wh and do 100 miles, more than any known PEV out there!
Interesting that you say it feels like the V11. That was my first wheel and I prefer it’s suspension to the S18. S20 is still the best suspension I’ve personally ridden though.
Sick ride, looks like the suspension isn’t actually too bad Gonna need a new comparison with the added torque and beginning take off for the S-22 firmware but these both wheels are so sick I would take either but definitely the S22 is still my pick and will probably forever be my pick till the wheel dies 🤙
Great content as usual. Debating between this and S22 (or V13?). As other commenters have pointed out, I will be interested to see what the ride is like with a better shock. Also curious what the real world on-trail range is.
Appreciate your experienced balanced review , I really like this wheel alot, it seems best suited for bumpy town roads with some not too extreme off road thrown in... when both begode and kingsong iron out their niggles we'll all be blessed with some top quality wheels to choose from.. 🙏🏽 (Tho it's totally possible begode could have a complete new wheel out by then....... 🤔 ) Keep up the good work... look forward to more content 👍
pedal dip, qc and safety issues with battery already on a new wheel. Seriously ?Buying these new wheels means that people accept mediocre and will not force change .Best wait for the next iteration where the bugs are ironed out and let the alpha testers sort some of this crap out!
Your claim about smaller batteries being safer is completely unfounded. This wheel can/will burn the same as any other wheel in the past several years. It is setup no different and uses the same exact batteries. Also please no one get the Samsung 50E battery it is under spec for this wheel and could cause safety concerns. It is what a lot of these first batch shipped with, get the Samsung 40T or Molicel P42A instead.
Brilliant video - as great a demonstration of the coolness of Skydio as it is the Master, and your riding of it - brilliant tips as well ! :) Quick question - we're seeing quite a lot of broken handles, some not as a result of pop-outs, but when lifting the wheel by it. Have you found any other decent grab points on the Master so we can avoid actually lifting it with the handle ?
yes lol, begode sent me two replacement trolley handles, haven't even bother installing yet, hopefully it doesn't break down on my deep in the desert, the only reason I would need one. I'll put it in during my next tire change probably.
Anyone know where one can test ride the Master if they live in Los Angeles area? Also, Alien Rides did a range test and the Master was beeping like mad bellow 40 and also did some crazy tilt back.
O boy does that look like a fabulous place to ride! Nice video, thanks for the comparisons w/ the S22 shock comfort wise. I'm not a speed freak, actually I'm just learning the S18 :) so yeah.
Weird hard mode has any pedal dips since that’s what the purpose of hard mode is suppose to be. My EX and RST has zero pedal movement in hard mode, hopefully they change this in a firmware update cuz that’s what I’m used to off road. Good review and feedback.
Great video!! I am looking around my state for mountain bike trailer, Master will be great on those trailer. Very good to know on weak point of the Master. Myself got Skydio 2, what a fun drone for riding. Not like DJI lol...keep it safe :-)
Interesting about the suspension, I would say so far in all the reviews for the master and s20, its split 50/50 between which one is better. Maybe personal preference or knowledge on setting it up correctly or even knowing what suspension is supposed to feel like.
Looking at the first minute of fast riding on uneven terrain, we can all agree that the era of big fast wheels without suspension has officially ended.
Watching this makes me happy that I preordered the 40T configuration (my 42a order was cancelled so I had to downgrade). Having the high amperage cells seems to be key if you want to push this wheel... IMHO of course.
Avitar 2 though, think I'm going to stop mentioning it though:) Same thing will happen to the TSG where so many people buying it, you can't find any extra lens
Great video Zen. It’s Ryan. Hey. Have you tried different tire air pressure tests It looked liked a lower psi Could be the just the Master …let’s ride soon. Nice content. Keep it up 👍
Will you take this to Apple Valley speedway just for S&G? Curious what it can do on the track. I'm aware it may not be competitive due to various reasons, but I still wanna see it up against other wheels on and off the track!
Great content zen, so nice to see you supporting other content providers, and I appreciate your opinion on the comparison between the S20 and Master. Be good if one of those people skilled in setting up suspension systems would share their knowledge so we all get the best ride possible and can compare air suspension against coil spring suspension accurately, apparently we’re missing some data.
Yeah, the dampening has to be increased to cut down on the pogo stick. Before I adjusted my dampening correctly on my S18 I would get tired on my rides. Once you dial it in correctly it will feel more like a road wheel on the trails, more responsive and less to no work to control the bouncing action. Living where you live I am pretty so you have a ton of experts on suspension all around you.
Great to hear the initial impressions are mostly positive! What are you running for PSI in the tire and in the suspension? I bet there is some slight fine tuning that could be achieved still. I have seen a couple of guys get their suspensions on point on the Master and claim they like it much more than the S20/S22 setup.
@@ZenLee Hopefully the firmware and sliders are better in the S22. Wish I could test ride the Master with two different tires. Still feel like Master is the wheel for me.
@@ZenLee ok lol so better than the s22? I'm coming g off the s18 and I've road the beeps on this thing and beat the hell out of it for 3 yrs now, I wanted to stay with ks bc of the reliability of my s18 but all the issues with plastic parts and fire made me change my mind . So how fast did u get this master ? Ppl said 70mph on free spin and 60mph loaded depending on weight and im hearing 45-48mph with beeps , makes me wonder if I should have just bought an old ex or rs. And how heavy does the master feel compared to the Sherman's
@@ZenLee yea I hope so , I'd like to see u review one with the upgraded batteries , I ride hard mode since I started , and I live on a mountain so hopefully the suspension holds up enough, I have a deposit down on the master with alien rides and im stoked to see what happens from test units to production units. I also have big feet so I was worried about the pads not fitting well with me on the s22, I know my ankles don't line up with the ankle spots on the s18, so it would suck being locked into what would feel like a cuff
Great video! I’ve been on the fence between s22 and master. I’ve been leaning toward the master more lately but the lack of battery redundancy is a concern of mine. Thanks for all the info, it makes me feel a bit more confident if I do decide to stick with the s22.
Glad it was helpful!
Riding in Portland atm. Considering moving to Las Vegas. Started riding about 2 months ago.
Bought and sold a Gotway/Begode Mten3 and also bought Litech Gotway/Begode EX N HT.
Cracked the case of the Ex n on the first ride 🙄 Repaired it and duct taped packing pads for added protection and control.
2 days later, I cracked the case complexly on the part facing the front part of the EUC while jumping a curb.
Repaired that and now I really need to buy a new case for this poor EXN.
I'm hoping this Hero can take some abuse as well. Ik the back tail light won't stand up to a light fall.
Great video btw. I love watching other riders crash when the rider breaks down what they did wrong and why.
Dude this is a fantastic video. Loving the angles with the Skydio. WOW. KEEP IT UP. I would love to visit
You should!
*hello super video in a beautiful setting it is absolutely divine I subscribe directly please what protective equipment do you use they seem effective would you have a link or just a description thank you*
Good review Bro. Appreciate your honest indepth opinion of this wheel. I preordered the S22 and I'm definitely sticking with it. I feel like Begode hurried up and rushed out this wheel without any pre-planning. It was just a wheel meant to steal the S22 's thunder. I trust Kingsong's safety features and build quality a lot more than this wheel. I definitely belive that the S22 will be the best selling wheel of the two. Thanks again. Keep it up.
I appreciate that! enjoy your s22!
Thanks for the great content - definitely earned a sub. Do you have a link to Archee's videos you referenced in yours?
th-cam.com/video/raYYclkA7xA/w-d-xo.html
Gotta be careful when below 40% charge??? Great, I thought range anxiety was an One Wheel thing, not on an advanced EUC model.
One Wheel is the same technology as an EUC, its just the design of OW, which has less battery on its skateboard and even more prone to crashes. Its a design with many limitation. You can get Veteran Sherman Max 3600 Wh and do 100 miles, more than any known PEV out there!
Crazy video !! Love it !!
That skydio2 really shines!!
Thanks!
Glad you liked it!
You look like the world's fastest pogo stick riding that trail. Looks fun, but I will be swapping the shock on mine.
Yes, was lots of fun, I don't really want to change anything about the suspension. Just need better pads.
Interesting that you say it feels like the V11. That was my first wheel and I prefer it’s suspension to the S18. S20 is still the best suspension I’ve personally ridden though.
Sick ride, looks like the suspension isn’t actually too bad
Gonna need a new comparison with the added torque and beginning take off for the S-22 firmware but these both wheels are so sick I would take either but definitely the S22 is still my pick and will probably forever be my pick till the wheel dies 🤙
Great content as usual. Debating between this and S22 (or V13?). As other commenters have pointed out, I will be interested to see what the ride is like with a better shock. Also curious what the real world on-trail range is.
really you'd be happy with either one, its just fine tuning the decision. I'd skip the V13 for a year or two though!
What an amazing place to ride, I'm so jealous! 🙂
Props to you for the excellent riding skills 👍
@Zen Lee
Excellent content!
What is Archee's TH-cam channel name?
Or a link to the video mentioned at 4:15
Thanks!
Appreciate your experienced balanced review , I really like this wheel alot, it seems best suited for bumpy town roads with some not too extreme off road thrown in... when both begode and kingsong iron out their niggles we'll all be blessed with some top quality wheels to choose from.. 🙏🏽
(Tho it's totally possible begode could have a complete new wheel out by then....... 🤔 )
Keep up the good work... look forward to more content 👍
pedal dip, qc and safety issues with battery already on a new wheel. Seriously ?Buying these new wheels means that people accept mediocre and will not force change .Best wait for the next iteration where the bugs are ironed out and let the alpha testers sort some of this crap out!
Huge thanks to you for being consistent in talking about euc wheel problems so that we aren’t surprised by them when we make a purchase.
That is what another video says about Begode Master...its body is very fragile and vulnerable to falls!
Your claim about smaller batteries being safer is completely unfounded. This wheel can/will burn the same as any other wheel in the past several years. It is setup no different and uses the same exact batteries.
Also please no one get the Samsung 50E battery it is under spec for this wheel and could cause safety concerns. It is what a lot of these first batch shipped with, get the Samsung 40T or Molicel P42A instead.
Both Wrong Way and EUC Upgrade cover this matter. th-cam.com/video/raYYclkA7xA/w-d-xo.html
Brilliant video - as great a demonstration of the coolness of Skydio as it is the Master, and your riding of it - brilliant tips as well ! :) Quick question - we're seeing quite a lot of broken handles, some not as a result of pop-outs, but when lifting the wheel by it. Have you found any other decent grab points on the Master so we can avoid actually lifting it with the handle ?
yes lol, begode sent me two replacement trolley handles, haven't even bother installing yet, hopefully it doesn't break down on my deep in the desert, the only reason I would need one. I'll put it in during my next tire change probably.
What happened to Zen Lee, he hasn't made new content for his Master in 3 weeks...
What chest protector with shoulder pads do you use??
wow, it is so smooth taking all those bumps, lovely.
Great content. Keep it up good sir.
Which is why I don't want a begode, cutout...and you already have four broken parts...
Easy and cheap to fix. Mine is also v1 without the updates and without fairings.
Anyone know where one can test ride the Master if they live in Los Angeles area?
Also, Alien Rides did a range test and the Master was beeping like mad bellow 40 and also did some crazy tilt back.
The battery options which result in this..
hi could you tell me what upper body protection do you use?
Especially for the shoulders.
Thank you
leet 5.5 :)
You should run a smoothing filter over your footage. A bit choppy, but quality is really good.
Thanks for the tip
Awesome 😎 thanks 🙏
What safety gear do you have on?
Use a magnet on the trolley handle?
Anyone got tips on which EUC is the most powerful at climbing hills?
right now this wheel, but maybe ex30 in future
kral....
Great video 👍🏽
Allot more fragile then I thought. I keep saying the s18 is a hell of a wheel. Is it the street machine for euc.
it's not that fragile, just a few of the extremities which I could pad up to protect.
O boy does that look like a fabulous place to ride! Nice video, thanks for the comparisons w/ the S22 shock comfort wise. I'm not a speed freak, actually I'm just learning the S18 :) so yeah.
Weird hard mode has any pedal dips since that’s what the purpose of hard mode is suppose to be. My EX and RST has zero pedal movement in hard mode, hopefully they change this in a firmware update cuz that’s what I’m used to off road. Good review and feedback.
The batch 2 begode master the batteries are no longer mounted in series but in 2 vs 2
yup!
Great Vid! I’m new to the EUC vibe and just now learning. I’m in Vegas and want to know more!💯
JT Marshall
Welcome aboard! Vegas has some of the best rides out there! Which side of town do you live on?
@@ZenLee I’m actually right across from City Center so Directly in the Middle of where ever I have to go!😎
Great video!! I am looking around my state for mountain bike trailer, Master will be great on those trailer. Very good to know on weak point of the Master.
Myself got Skydio 2, what a fun drone for riding. Not like DJI lol...keep it safe :-)
Hope you enjoy it!
Interesting about the suspension, I would say so far in all the reviews for the master and s20, its split 50/50 between which one is better. Maybe personal preference or knowledge on setting it up correctly or even knowing what suspension is supposed to feel like.
Looking at the first minute of fast riding on uneven terrain, we can all agree that the era of big fast wheels without suspension has officially ended.
Love tHe footage Zen! Thanks for the vibes and the break down! You touched on some points i hadnt heard yet.
Thanks bruv!
Glad you enjoyed!
Dude you should get a good camera. This camera gives you headache. It's all distorted :/
Maybe skip to the drone shots
@@ZenLee yeah, the drone shots are amazing.
Gotta get one
Cool trail
The handle self-popup issue seem still not resolved since the Begode Hero
I live around that area. Hope to see you out there.
That would be cool!
🤘🤙🧡
Cool!
Watching this makes me happy that I preordered the 40T configuration (my 42a order was cancelled so I had to downgrade). Having the high amperage cells seems to be key if you want to push this wheel... IMHO of course.
All EUC should go Molicel 42A as the highest current flow of any lithium battery. You want close to 3600Wh of it to delay battery sag and more range!
This looks like Arizona..
close!
Really curious what kind of helmet you’re using? I’ve just preordered the S22
Avitar 2 though, think I'm going to stop mentioning it though:) Same thing will happen to the TSG where so many people buying it, you can't find any extra lens
Send it my way to test, when youre done 😉
Great video Zen. It’s Ryan. Hey. Have you tried different tire air pressure tests It looked liked a lower psi Could be the just the Master …let’s ride soon. Nice content. Keep it up 👍
Good eyes, I was running a bit lower, like 27psi i think
Will you take this to Apple Valley speedway just for S&G? Curious what it can do on the track. I'm aware it may not be competitive due to various reasons, but I still wanna see it up against other wheels on and off the track!
S&G?
@@ZenLee Shits and Giggles
Giving you a virtual hug because I felt your pain when you where picking up the master out of the rocks
You're the best!
Great content zen, so nice to see you supporting other content providers, and I appreciate your opinion on the comparison between the S20 and Master. Be good if one of those people skilled in setting up suspension systems would share their knowledge so we all get the best ride possible and can compare air suspension against coil spring suspension accurately, apparently we’re missing some data.
Glad you enjoy it!
Great review, Zen! Looks like a solid wheel for sure.
Thanks! Think you'd like this wheel, but maybe too heavy and tall for your needs.
Great video👍🏽
Glad you enjoyed
Cool video!!i may visit Vegas soon!
You should!
@@ZenLee I actually visited Vegas twice before. I love it there.
Yeah, the dampening has to be increased to cut down on the pogo stick. Before I adjusted my dampening correctly on my S18 I would get tired on my rides. Once you dial it in correctly it will feel more like a road wheel on the trails, more responsive and less to no work to control the bouncing action.
Living where you live I am pretty so you have a ton of experts on suspension all around you.
Thanks for the info!
*damping
Nice video . Keep them coming!
Great to hear the initial impressions are mostly positive! What are you running for PSI in the tire and in the suspension? I bet there is some slight fine tuning that could be achieved still. I have seen a couple of guys get their suspensions on point on the Master and claim they like it much more than the S20/S22 setup.
The S22 is a more robust coil system and is a lot deeper, I'd have to try out the S22 more on these trails to know for sure.
@@ZenLee Hopefully the firmware and sliders are better in the S22. Wish I could test ride the Master with two different tires. Still feel like Master is the wheel for me.
That was an awesome save! Can't wait for mine to arrive.
Hope you enjoy it!
Wish i had enough money to own all the different euc's
yes same here!
Looks like it's time to hit Moab. ;-)
Yep I'm readying but want to do it with people this time. ITs more of an adventure scenic ride, not a fun flow track like this.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
YOU are a master! Great
thanks!
So still better than s20?
The S20 is no longer being produced
@@ZenLee ok lol so better than the s22? I'm coming g off the s18 and I've road the beeps on this thing and beat the hell out of it for 3 yrs now, I wanted to stay with ks bc of the reliability of my s18 but all the issues with plastic parts and fire made me change my mind . So how fast did u get this master ? Ppl said 70mph on free spin and 60mph loaded depending on weight and im hearing 45-48mph with beeps , makes me wonder if I should have just bought an old ex or rs. And how heavy does the master feel compared to the Sherman's
@@albertvolljr.7894 you'll like both s22 and Master, both great wheels ⚡️
@@albertvolljr.7894 Master maybe best for u
@@ZenLee yea I hope so , I'd like to see u review one with the upgraded batteries , I ride hard mode since I started , and I live on a mountain so hopefully the suspension holds up enough, I have a deposit down on the master with alien rides and im stoked to see what happens from test units to production units. I also have big feet so I was worried about the pads not fitting well with me on the s22, I know my ankles don't line up with the ankle spots on the s18, so it would suck being locked into what would feel like a cuff