Tim Drake is in a constant state of "he will be the world's greatest detective someday". Due to the nature of comics Tim will probably never be classified as "the world's greatest", unless it's a story set in the future. However Tim is still one of the greatest detectives in Dc, I would say he is at least above the Question.
In my personal head canon Tim Drake is the worlds greatest detective not only because he found out Batman and robins identity when he was a CHILD but also because he was trained by batman… or at least tied with Bobo
@Second-Hand Videos imagine batman using 4-chan's autistic screech of intelligence to solve and redirect their "reeeeeeeeeee" to actual villains and bad guys
"Batman can't be happy" is the one that hurts. Nowadays everything is about problematic characters and dubious motifs, sometimes the superhero inspirational part is lost.
@@jockeyfield1954 Yeah, Gotham is a hellhole but by all accounts, it was worse before he showed up. It was full of corruption, the mob was allowed to roam free, murders and other horrible things happened regularly. But Batman changed that. Batman's goal is that no child should go through what he did ever again and he knows that he is on his to do that, the criminals hesitating to do things because he might be around is a clear sign of that. If it was hopeless, he would've given up and but he hasn't. It's just lazy writers that sees it differently.
Batman literally cracks jokes in The Dark Knight. Joker says to Rachael "You have a bit of fight in you. I like that" Batman appears and says "Then you'll love me"
Batman cracked a lot of jokes in DK trilogy "Now we wouldnt want it to be too easy now do we" "Bats doesnt like sunlight" "Acomplish? Im gonna tell them the while thing was your idea"
As far as the children thing goes I consider them all his sons adoption or not. Nurture over nature, he's raised them, guided them, and protected the with his life a piece of paper doesn't make them his sons him being a father makes them his sons.
*Stuff I Got WRONG in This Video* • Literally the first image I use when talking about Bill Finger, I accidentally used a photo of legendary comic artist, Steve Ditko. That's totally my bad. Bill Finger has so little photos online that I grabbed what I could off of Google and made that mistake. *Stuff I DIDN'T Get Wrong in This Video* (That commenters are upset about) • I do not pronounce Ra's al Ghul's name was "Raish" because his name is Arabic for head of the demon and would be spelled رأس الغول. Yes, other works and even the writers have argued over the two pronunciations for years, but my pronunciation is the way it's pronounced in Arabic and as such, that's what I am using.
he had no childhood, and met his father when he’d already been raised by assassins, i wouldn’t call that a conventional father-son relationship, i’d say they’re doing good
And he doesn't even use prep time or strategy in the movies, so it's likely just something they heard comic book fans talking about and they picked it up and overinflated it.
I personally like the IDEA he got training from Ra’s al Ghul, as they are ninjas and he DOES DEFINITELY have ninjitsu training and it gives him a personal connection to an enemy without going full Raimi Spider-Man and making him directly responsible for that villain’s origin. But yeah...not cannon.
I still can't believe that Batman fans can't accept that he isn't a super being capable of anything. Also the misconception i would like to list is Batman despising Superman. Surprisingly, it is a pretty big misconception.
Dude someone called me insufferable for pointing out that Batman isnt the best h2h fighter in DC. What even with that word. I read comics. I love Batman (3rd favorite DC superhero ez) but I can see and enjoy the flaws in the character. Or I guess imperfection
They should read the comic book called Venom where Batman is proven to be all human and capable of falling victim and becoming vulnerable to human problems such as drug addiction and depression. In Venom he was unable to save a little girl from drowning even though he tried all he could to move an impossible, Superman size rock in order to save her and when he was unable to he became a complete mess but was also able to overcome those obstacles and still managed to get Justice for the dead girl.
The worst one I see constantly is that Batgirl is supposed to be Batman's girlfriend. Of course this has happened before *cough* Bruce Timm *cough* it drives me crazy that people just assume that's always the case without taking into consideration their sizable age difference and that they often have a father/daughter dynamic (of course this is more obvious with Stephanie and Cassandra, but Barbara also treats him similarly to how she treats Jim)
Cdubs B hence the Bruce Timm reference. He is obsessed with having them be together without actually closing the age gap ever. He did the same thing in the Batman Beyond comics. Dude’s also been drawing porn of his teenage characters for years he’s a massive creep.
That last point is so true; Batman can't beat everyone! There was a recent CBR article that said that Batman could beat Dark Phoenix and I was just like...come on. Prep time can only take you so far against literal gods.
@@heftymagic4814 No, he couldn't. The Phoenix has literally held *the entire universe* in the palm of her hand: a guy in a rubber batsuit can't compete with that level of power without some kind of hack (power rings, cosmic powers, etc).
Strangely, the people who say Superman is boring because he is OP are often the ones who say Batman's the best because he "always has a plan." To my mind the best heroes aren't the ones who will always win, the best are the ones who won't win, but keep fighting anyway as it's the right thing to do.
I’m so glad someone addressed the ridiculous abuse of “B-b-but prep time!” Batman isn’t perfect, Batman is human. Batman failing even with prep time makes him a far better character.
I would argue that the crux of the prep time argue often overlooks the idea that Batman creates these contingency plans because he failed an initial first battle but survived, analyzed his weaknesses and sought to improve them. Batman does win with prep time… provided he survives the first encounter.
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i mean, if you pin batman against the entire avengers at once with no prep time, he'd be able to take out at least 3-4 people but he'd get absolutely demolished by the extremely advanced tech of iron man and the equally skilled captain america that has actually gone toe to toe with him before, and it took batman 5 minutes to just say "you'd beat me, but it'd take hours to do so"
@@jockeyfield1954 No he'd probably easily take down iron man, and Captain America. Captain America only has standard military training, Batman not only has multiple different martial arts under his belt, he also has advanced military training. Basically in all of his powers Captain America can replicate his feats through dopping, but he lacks the tactical mind Batman has due to his training, Daredevil would be the one with the know-how to defeat Batman, if you ask me. As for why Batman would easily take down Iron Man? Because Batman is a power armor user just like Iron Man, he has quite a few of those in fact, made specifically to deal with specific villains. He knows how they work and he has enough technological knowledge to disable them even if he doesn't know how an specific one works. He can analize it on field and find any structural weaknesses to deal with it. Now, Batman cannot deal with Hulk or Thor, or Powerman, or Spider-Man, or Dr.Strange, or Captain Marvel, or well any experienced super-hero that has enough experience with their power without prep time, and some of them even with prep time he would still fail to beat.
1st thing they get wrong: he can beat superman. Seriously though. It was pointed out in a YT video that the point of Batman is not that he would win against people like Superman. The point is that he would most certainly lose against someone like Superman but he would make every effort that he could to beat him. Knowing that he would lose. I love Batman as much as many others do. But I love him because he is human. He bleeds, he'll lose sometimes, and then he comes back stronger. When Batman wins all the time, against everyone, and has a plan for EVERYTHING, then he becomes boring to me.
*+Kai Williams* It partially depends on which version of Superman and/or Batman we're referring to in the given scenario. Different variables will inevitably change the equation. Ex- There are numerous ways many characters today in DC alone could defeat the original 1930's Superman who couldn't even fly yet. He wasn't a quarter as OP as he is now. Likewise, Batman wasn't nearly as formidable, intelligent, or prep-heavy in his debut. No character to my knowledge exists that hasn't been changed or reinterpreted at least once. My advice: Just let it go and let people think what they want. They will anyway regardless of who's "right". I learned that lesson the hard way before giving up on this debate years ago. Ultimately, it's a pointless pursuit in terms of trying to settle on an absolute consensus. The fact is, there are NO absolutes in fiction except those we as creators set for ourselves.
I don't know about that. All Batman's victories against Superman are kind of based on the fact that Superman doesn't want to kill him or Superman not being in the right mental state to fight Batman. Like during the Dark Knight Returns story. Superman could've just flown Batman to space or flown straight to the Batcave and taken him out there or during Endgame, Jokerized Superman could've crushed Batman's skull, dropped him, or burned a whole into his brain but decided to toy with him for a bit. We've never really seen a pure fight between the two aside from injustice or one of those first encounter team up fights. I think Batman still has a pretty good chance though. After all, Superman is like a brick wall. He doesn't get in your way unless your way is to break him or what he's protecting. Batman is like a drill. While a drill can be broken and fail with the right guidance and precision it can do many things
Which is why I have always had a issue with Superman. He is boring as shit to me. How can you make a Super hero that's basically invulnerable, and make him interesting?
By giving him internal struggles. Have him question his morals and methods. Is he doing enough? Is he doing too much? Does Earth even NEED him? Those questions have been asked...by other people too him, but Superman is SO strong in his convictions, he ALWAYS knows the answer.
My favorite stories for batman are the ones where he's the therapist for the supervillains he's faced, or at least is actively trying to help them and acknowledges their humanity, even if they may not be ready to acknowledge it themselves. That to me is what Bruce's character is about, a man who goes out into danger to help those that are most destructive to themselves and others.
The biggest Batman Misconception i ever heard was: Batman is Selfish. The Person i heard it from says, he‘s selfish because he always keeps Secrets from other‘s and somehow taught he did it for Personal Benefit.
You know I can agree prep time doesn't mean Batman will win all the time but I like to think a lot of batman's prep time and contingencies comes from experience.
Joshua Hammond I think he doesn't need "prep"time cause if he isn't sleeping or doing Bruce Wayne related stuff he is doing batstuff preparing so he really wouldn't bed prep time
Hey wouldn’t formally adopting a robin make them direct heirs? Not sure how it went down but it would seem to me that adopting an adult Robin would be important to let them continue there work with any inheritance. Man I kinda want to see a board meeting with all the Robins trying to figure out a complex financial issue as there normal self’s.
Here's how I would split the inheiritence. Everyone gets a sixth of the money (I'm including Alfred and Barbara) and dick gets the house because he's going to succeed him. Lucius gets the company and superman gets any justice league related assets Bruce owns.
FreeJaffa92 the one time on batman I heard them explaine the succession of his fortune not sure if it's similar in the books cause I haven't read a storyline that tells this but on the show if Bruce died dick got the money and if Bruce and dick both die aunt Harriet got the money
Here is the thing... I feel at this point, Batman is more myth than character. So what can he do? It depends on the myth... it depends on the legend...
Which is exactly what Batman creates. "Criminals are a cowardly and superstitious lot," Batman is a symbol, representing hope for Gotham and fear for criminals. By using that fear to his advantage, he is able to take on the criminal underworld.
Great video, I love the ending where you explain that batman wins because he's the good guy and it's part of the plot not because of prep time. I would also agree that there are smarter people than Batman. I just can't take Lex Luthor seriously as being smarter than Bruce Wayne because Lex can't tell a man wearing glasses is actually his arch nemesis.
Nick Blog to be fair, I think it's been stated that the glasses or something hypnotize people looking at him, so they don't see Superman and just see Clark. Plus I think Lex probably does know and just doesn't want to say anything since he wants Superman all to himself and doesn't want to give the other villains the chance to kill him, though that last part is mostly opinion.
@@lordofninjas1 I know and the real reason the glasses are a thing is I suppose in the 1930s writers just thought "cover his face than no one will know." As for what you said that's actually a cool thought, and makes more sense for Lex's egotistical side.
I think it was said in one of the comics that Lex worked out Clarke Kent was Superman , but his ego wouldn't let him accept the idea of the most powerful man working a day job, so he couldn't let himself admit it. I think he built a computer to work out who Superman was or some such. Personally, I always liked the idea that all the villains know who Superman is, they just won't say anything as making sure Clark has to keep a job and his life going is the only chance they have a few hours free each day to commit crime.
It should be noted that in most continuities, it's not that Batman IS a loner, but that he STARTS as a loner... big difference. Also, the "Batman can't be happy" thing is more about the burden he refuses to let go, rather than the happy moments. Even people with depression can have moments of happiness. I feel like some of the things people are saying are simplifications or meant in a specific context (sometimes to a certain time periods in Batman's life). And if you notice, MOST TIMES Batman is noted to be able to do or solve everything, it's in some sort of parody or comedy that isn't meant to be taken seriously.
Cool video, but I have to disagree on one part. In Endgame, he did die in the cave with the joker. They were later reanimated by the dionesium that was spilled all over the cave, but that took quite some time to, not only get to them, but to also heal their bodies. Alfred mentions it to Superman in #43 while showing him Bruce's brain scan and telling him the brain pattern is different, since the dionesium rebuild a new brain but didn't do an exact copy of his old one, hence his memory loss. So yeah it wasn't long, but he technically was dead for at least a few days before being brought back
Everyone: Batman works alone!!! Me: *Looks at Alfred Pennyworth, Lucius Fox, Dick Grayson/Night Wing, Tim Drake/Red Hood, Jason Todd/Red Robin, Damien Wayne/Robin, Barbara Gordon/Batgirl/Oracle, Kate Kane/Batwoman, and Luke Fox/Batwing* Yeah, sounds about right.
I think you mixed up Jason and Tim. My understanding is that Jason is Red Hood and Tim is Red Robin. Plus there's Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain for other Batman-specific partners as well as the fact that he is often a founder or major member of the Justice League with the DCAU establishing that he was only a part-timer in their version.
Finally someone mentions the batman can beat anyone with prep time misconception, i like the statement he's the main character nice, plot armor is strong with them
That robin isn't is useless and just a target and nothing more Ya to be fair he gets capture in other media. But in comics all the robins are great or may not the best. but they all so much more that a sidekick. Like you said they basic his sons and robin keeps Bruce sane.
And Robin along with all his other allies is his contigince plan for his death or if he goes insane or gets brain washed or mind controled. Have you seen justice league doom
One misconception that bothers me is when people say Batman/ Bruce Wayne takes advantage of the capitalist system to only beat poor/ mentally ill, desperate people who only engage in criminal activity to make ends meet instead of fighting crime and disparity at it's source. Like, have you read a comic in the last 10 years?
Yeah, I mean sure, Mr. Freeze's backstory is sad, but he's still killed people. Also, Penguin's just a mob boss who plays up a theme, Ivy wants to commit genocide, Killer Croc EATS people, Mad Hatter is a pedophile as near as I can tell, Scarecrow is amoral, Bane is clearly in full possecion of his mental falculties, Selina's just a crook, and Joker's well, Joker. The only villains I can see fitting into this role are Harley and Two-Face, but even then it's made very clear their situations are sympathetic and Bruce DOES try and help them with varying degrees of success.
I thought that she was created to replace Batwoman. In my research, Batwoman was a love interest for Batman and because she wasn't good enough for audiences, they scrapped her. So Batgirl came up and replaced her. Then Batwoman's *preference* was changed, along with her appearance. That's just what I researched. I probably missed something but that's what I found.
You technically got the facts right, but they're a little bit jumbled up. The original Batgirl, Betty Kane, was added in _addition_ to the original Batwoman, Kathy Kane, so Robin could have a love interest too in the 1950's. Like Drake said, the Batgirl we know today, Barbara Gordon, was created in the TV show in the 1960's and that's who replaced the original Batwoman and Batgirl (until they were brought back later, of course).
I researched that too, but I did not wanna make the comment super long. But yeah, the OG Batgirl was Betty Kane. That basically corroborates it because Batman and Robin were accused of being gay, but charges were dropped when they got love interests. Then the 1960's-- yep, we know the rest. Those times were crazy as heck. Allegations of characters being gay... then writers getting charged for that... yet I thought the world made comics controversial.
The idea that Batman is the best fighter in the DCU always amuses me when there are two proved better fighters in his entourage and even more at large. Cassandra Cain and Connor Hawke. Lady Shiva. Karate Kid (who doesn't need kryptonite or prep time to fight Superboy just saying). Slade Wilson. The Sensei. Arguably Richard Dragon and Ben Turner.
I'll give you Lady Shiva and Cassandra Cain, I don't know who Connor Hawke is and don't know anything about Karate Kid. I would say Deathstroke and Batman was even. Their most recent fight in Rebirth came to standstill at one point and he was only able to walk away where Batman couldn't due to his healing factor. I also heard there was a time Deathstroke defeated Batman but was so battered that he lost to a common thug after.
@@kannakamui2334 in older comics Slade was at least as good then had superhuman advantages. Bruce told Cassandra to not fight him because of it. Maybe he got gimped in Rebirth. I haven't seen it. Connor Hawke is Oliver Queen's son. Less good with a bow but much better in hand to hand. In the Silver Monkey tournament storyline where all of DCs beat fighters (save Cassandra) had a tourney even against their will. The two finalists were Shiva and Connor. Shiva won. Connor was #2. Now. Connor admits Batman is a master. He has more control and progress. But Batman lost and Connor didnt. Nightwing also jobbed clean to Shiva (I think) early on. Shiva beat everyone on the list tho. I dont actually like LOSH much but I cant take away that Superman lost to him. Also considers KK superior to Batman. In their one fight Batman beat a mind controlled and (according to Batman) seriously gimped KK. Later in that story KK dodged lightning. I suppose it's not clear cut but he DID beat Superboy sans prep time or green k. So he ranks up there imo.
@@kannakamui2334 also this is a BIG maybe but Bruce considered Dick to be better. Though if he's better NOW or will be is always in flux since they dont really age. Sorry for the double reply my phone is s douche.
I agree with most of these. That said, it's really only dependent on the writer. For instance, in "Babel", I think it is suggested that Batman can beat anyone with prep time. In other runs, he's just a skilled guy that occasionally loses. Sometimes Batman will never use guns. Other times, he will sometimes use guns. Depends on the headcanon of the writer. And we make our own headcanon of what runs we think of as "true".
That's something that really puts me off from comics. Every writer essentially creates their own version of the character, and while that has its advantages, I think it can really screw up consistency in development and story-telling
@@Mal-go5dl I see that, but I also think it's fascinating. There's no other art form that has a story that has contributed for a century and changed dozens of hands like, say, Superman's story. I submit that it's the worlds longest "living" narrative.
@@jearn11 That is something that I can appreciate and I think it's amazing as well how these characters have been written for decades, and it doesn't seem like they're going away anytime soon.
yes but with prep time even Green Arow can beat him. i don't get why WHY people act like he's a god in mortal . Green arrow fighting batman it's like Connor Macgregor vs Nate Diaz anything ANYTHING can happen they are bothvery martially skilled, very smart they have being doing the same shit for a long long time. batman has all the gadgets and green arrow as a literally ranged weapon. i don't get why people elevate batman so much .he's great but he loses the appeal to me when people make him this god! Yes in Babel batman has a plan to defeat everyone but there's also a JLA comic where angry martian manhunter defeates everybody with 0 effort.
Probably my favorite Batman joke comes from The Batman, in the episode where Joker tries to become Batman. He injects Bruce with a Joker Toxin that basically starts turning him into Joker (like Batman Who Laughs but tame), and Bruce barely beats it. He fights Joker one more time, and at the end of the episode, he says to Joker: A man walks into a bar. He says: (Batman punches Joker) Ouch.
I agree with your last point with modification. I have always hated that people say that Batman is reliant on prep time which isn't true he's a strategist who knows himself that his plans won't always workand can come up with a plan in the moment if necessary. It's sometimes a Scooby doo trope, plan Don't work so come up with something else. I liked this video i find your videos very informative and interesting especially coming from an animation and comic research background with little comic book interaction.
I always think that Batman is the "broken unhappy loner" for like the first 3 years of his tenure. It's when he's the youngest, most aggressive, and most green at the vigilante gig. This all changes and by extension his emotional state changes, when Dick Grayson becomes Robin. He has his ups and downs (Dick leaving, Jason arriving, Jason dying) but it mostly gets better especially after Tim Drake. It's only after he retires that it can go one of three ways - that being the DKR/BvS gruff loner, Batman Beyond gruff old timer, or the Dark Knight Rises happily retired with Catwoman.
Definely the legend created by the tower of babel storyline that Batman has plans for every member of the Justice League to defeat them easily. I can't tell you how many times that is bought up. If any member of the league seriously goes at batman, he's done. And not clouded by joker toxin like Endgame.
I actually like that one, because A) he's the kind of guy that would come up with at least an idea of how to beat the league in case they go rogue (but i agree that making the plan foolproof, easy to execute or go smoothly from the first go is dumb), B) it creates tension with the other members of the league, leading to potentially interesting character dynamics and C) it can backfire, as seen in Justice League: DOOM, which leads to potential good stories.
Also we should not forget that Bruce contingency plans were to subdue, incapacitate and buy time. As Was his Plan in elseworld/Millerverse/questionable canonicity TDKR (Comic) that was butchered but looked ok in BvS. The Plans Used in Bable were upgraded by Ras to be deadly.. and he is a man who might have encountered Metas before...
Batman probably does have plans to defeat every member of the League. And you know what? They probably include recruiting other super heroes to help. Because Batman knows his limits well enough to know he can’t defeat everyone with his fists and gadgets. (Also his plans for League members going rogue include one for himself and he’s not going to defeat himself now is he?)
yes but there's also a JLA comic where Martian Manhunter gets angry loses the fear of fire and beats everybody ass with no effort . but nobody uses that as a card to say martian manhunter is the stronger .
tcochu the contingency plans Bruce has for the rest of the league was a big part of justice league doom were vandel savage has another villain hack Bruce's batcave computer and steal those plans and uses them on the league to stop them from destroying the world
I like the moments where Batman admits that he isn't perfect. The moments he says that some people are better detectives or better fighters than he is. It really humanizes him.
The prep time thing makes sense especially when like a solid 70% of the time he just identifies which one or group of his buddies can completely negate the problem. The other 30% is him dramatically unveiling some new vehicle or gadget. I'm here for it though friendship really was the prep time all along.
Honestly I love batman but I always feel like I love a different character than others. Batman is kind, humorous, and most importantly just a man. I don't see someone who is driven soley by grief but someone who used it to dedicate himself to helping others. I don't see a loner out of the guy who 98% of the time is working either in a group or with someone else. He is a man who's skills put him to where he can keep up with literal gods, but so for all the Robins, Green Arrow, Ted Kord and so many others. He has friends, he has family, he is happy at times, and he can fail.
The main misconception with Batman that I've noticed lately that annoys me, but this might just be me and might not actually be a thing is his relationship with Superman. I've personally noticed lot of people lately seem to think that Batman and Superman hate each other.
I would say that misconception stems from things like BvS and the Injustice video games. Which are what more casual fans have probably seen, I would guess. I've noticed it as well.
@@loganireson4501 Yeah, that and the recent popularity of Dark Knight Returns doesn't help too. Glad that I'm not the only one who's noticed this though
+Logan Ireson But the Injustice games highlight that Superman was once Batman's best friend and routinely show how it's painful for Batman to have to fight him and how Superman feels Batman betrayed him.
+Logan Ireson But the Injustice games highlight that Superman was once Batman's best friend and routinely show how it's painful for Batman to have to fight him and how Superman feels Batman betrayed him.
@@mrj9699 Very true. I just assume that there are plenty of people out there that have never really finished the story or never even started it just to go straight to the multiplayer elements. Just an assumption I've made from some experiences with a few friends of mine.
Misconception: Batman doesn't design his own tech and gadgets. _Lucius_ is the one who does that. Reality: Batman is more than capable enough to design his own tech and gadgets, but he asks Lucius for help for two main reasons: 1) To save time, and 2) To have an outside opinion on his design choices.
I have this collection of old Batman comics, the ones that the Adam West show was based on. And in one of them, Batman and Robin straight up BUILD a new Batplane after the first got stolen. Not sure why your comment reminded me of that, but it did.
The Batman 2022 actually nails batman's sense of humor accurately. While yes being stoic and somewhat emotionally stunted, he still finds levity. About the happiness thing, it isn't that he's unable to be happy, it's that people who suffer from serious PTSD as Batman evidently does, can retroactively erase the idea of happiness, it feels all consuming and it felt like the idea of happiness never really happened. It comes in episodes and waves
In all honesty, as much fun as it is to say Batman can win any fight, he can’t. That’s what makes him interesting. He’s not the best fighter, or the most intelligent. What makes him interesting is that he’s a mix of all of these things. What makes him awesome is the fact that he’ll go against literal gods, knowing full well they could eradicate him off the face of the Earth. Like Kevin Conroy’s Batman said when told he didn’t have any special powers, “oh I have one. I never give up.” What some people fail to realize when Batman fights Superman is this: he knows he can’t win head on. Like he says in the Hush storyline, “If Clark wanted to, he could use his superspeed and squish me into the cement.” He knew that even though he was under Poison Ivy’s control, Clark was holding back. That fight is more Batman and Superman vs Ivy’s control than anything else. Another fight that people like to point to is the Dark Knight Returns. The same thing applies here. Superman is severely hindered in this fight. He is already weak from a nuclear exploding right on top of him, he hasn’t been powered by the suns rays in days, and is trying very hard not to kill his old friend. Bruce, on the other hand, has spent years waiting for this moment. He already had synthetic Kryptonite on standby. He set up missiles in Crime Alley, where they had scheduled to fight, and has multiple weapons ready for use. And yet, he still knows he can’t win a head-on assault against Superman. Even with all of that, Superman would still annihilate him. His goal isn’t to beat him in a fight. His goal is to stall until the pill he took stops his heart, thus faking his death and escaping the government. Bruce starts the fight by hitting Clark with missiles. Then, he hits him with the Batmobile/Bat-tank. When Clark takes that out, Bruce pulls out sonic gun that actually makes Superman bleed. Then he frys his brain with the entirety of Gotham’s City’s power supply, also powering his battle suit. He hits him with a solid punch in that iconic panel. Then, immediately after that, Superman catches his next punch, grabs Bruce’s mask, and shoves him, tearing his mask off. The two start bashing each other. Superman could easily blow a hole in Batman’s exposed head, but he doesn’t. Bruce knows he won’t. Clark’s fighting to incapacitate him, not kill him. Even so, he crushes Bruce’s wrist and breaks three of his ribs. However, Bruce notices that Clark did actually break a sweat. But Bruce still isn’t done. He throws some acid in Clark’s face, and tosses an explosive. He then says that he’s finally gotten Clark angry, and that it’s now or never. That’s when the rest of his plan comes into play. All of the fight was a stall to get Oliver Queen into position to shoot Superman with the Kryptonite arrow. Note that Superman still manages to catch the arrow. Then the Kryptonite affects him. Bruce bashes him around a little, says his line about being the one man who beat him, then fakes his heart attack. What makes this fight great isn’t Batman beating up Superman. He still nearly lost the fight. What makes it great is the emotion behind he fight. The two of them were friends, but they went separate ways when the government decided that Superheroes needed to either go away or serve the government. Batman knew he couldn’t really beat Clark in a fistfight. Superman wasn’t even at full strength here, and he still could’ve crushed Batman if he really wanted to. But Batman knows that Clark doesn’t want to, and he uses that to his advantage. That’s what makes Batman a great hero. He doesn’t always win, but he never gives in.
I think Batman is one of the most powerful heroes not because of "prep time" or "intellect"... At least not simply that, it's competence, the ability to always choose the most reasonable option even if it's not obvious and always have the skill that would be needed, I would fully expect him to pull out a musical number he never thought he'd need to use just because he made sure he was prepared.
My personal take on how Dick, Jason, Tim, and Damian are counted as Bruce's sons: they all are. Damian is by blood and the only one that can't really be questioned too much, Jason and Tim are by law/adoption, and Dick is in spirit and maybe also by law. I'm not sure how exactly I want it to fall with Bruce adopting Dick since I haven't read the comics. I've read many different fanfictions with good explanations for why Bruce did or didn't adopt him in the story. I like the idea that Bruce isn't trying to replace Dick's father which is often why Dick isn't adopted, but some will also have them talking about it after Jason is adopted (I think they have it happen before Jason's death or else Jason doesn't die in it) and have Bruce ask about if Dick wants to be fully adopted. To me, it would depend on how it's written, if it's respectful with how/why Bruce goes with adoption then I'm good, but if it's not going to be respectful, then I think stick to Dick as Bruce's ward. Even if Dick, Jason, and Tim are adopted, it doesn't have to mean that they gave up their last names. Yes, most people probably do have their names changed with adoption, but the boys seem to be old enough that they might choose to keep their last names. This is just based off the picture you used while saying that it's unclear what standing the boys have since even if Dick and Tim were adopted, they could be going by their birth names still, so that's how they were recognized.
It’s the League of Assassins not the League of Shadows That’s honestly my biggest pet peeve with Batman fans, that and people saying Heath Ledger is the best Joker. He’s tied with Nicholson, but they’re both under Monaghan and Hamill
I love Batman more than any other fictional character. He means a lot to me, importantly because he rose above his pain to protect others from suffering the same thing. But it pains me a lot of people these days love Batman because of his name, not because of who he is, and I have some misconceptions about him. 1. Batman has to be a a brutal killer. No, if you make Batman a bully, he will be no different from the criminals he fights. He isn't. He stands for justice, not for revenge. 2. In order to be a Batman fan, you have to make fun of Superman. Maybe I'm not a fan of Superman, but I have always held a deep, sincere respect for him. 3. Batman is insane. The worst misconception ever. He suffered a big trauma, yes, but he controlled his pain and used it to strike fear into the hearts of criminals and help others in the guise of a bat.
tbh, some of these misconceptions aren't misconceptions, like Batman not using guns, under most conditions Batman does tend to avoid using a gun, a lot of the animated shows tend to overemphasizes this fact but from from what I can recall he doesn't like using a gun since at least the silver age of comics. And that's just one example.
I do take one issue with that whole prep time thing. Yes it is very much so true a lot of main characters go through the loop of losing gathering themselves, preparing and then winning however Batman is very different his character embodies the idea of being prepared more so than any other. The concept of Batman preparing and superman preparing are very different. He almost never wins fights on pure brute force there is ALWAYS some underlying level of strategy, trickery or skill involved. No character does it quite the same.
I just realized the symbolism (Whether intentional or not) in Batman not being able to die. Batman symbolizes hope, we all know that, but the fact that Batman cannot die also means that hope cannot die. That's really cool.
I think the part about Batman with prep time always wins is that he's obsessed with prep time. So much so that his contingency plans almost killed his friends. Even the Batman Who Laughs was able to go through with killing them in his own universe. Just adding something to the discussion.
Thank you. The Batman can't be happy thing is freaking ridiculous and I'd even argue that the Batman Beyond future where Bruce is "alone" was less about him actually being alone and more him having a falling out with the Bat Family and just retreating away from all of his friends. In the Justice League future episode, Superman immediately hears him through Terry's coms and lets him know that its good to see him back at the job. Its obvious from that scene that yeah Clark missed him, but respected his pain enough not to try forcing the issue. I can imagine that being the case for most of Bruce's friends. They know him and know that he has to work through things in his own time.
Let us also remember his compassion. He may be grim and brutal so many times, but it's not beneath him to know someone he knows needs help. So many of his rogues are deep down just people. He will try to help them however he can. He may look stern, but deep inside he will grieve alongside someone hurting.
As far as I have read and seen so far, Lex and Batman are pretty much on par when it comes to intelligence. When Batman was allegedly dead he was about to say that he is currently the most intelligent human there is. But first he asked a JL member to make sure Batman was dead since Batman could kinda be more intelligent. But again that always depends on the writer and to be fair both characters have probably not fully used all their potential so it's hard to say. Batman outsmarted Lex very often and Lex outsmarted Batman as well. Pretty much the same level I'd say.
Misconception: batman is ultra brutal and doesn’t care about people I feel like I see a lot of people talking about have brutal Batman is, and while it happen here and there, he’s mostly a kind person. Like I think the animated series does it well. Bruce really does feel for his fellow man and even his villains. The villains, except for the joker, are people who frequently suffer from mental disorders and trauma, and Bruce does see that. When he’s trash to his family, it’s not done without understanding what he’s doing. It’s done because I’m his mind the mission comes before everything
Ok, this one really annoys me whenever I see it. "Why doesn't Bruce just take all the money he would spend on gadgets, rocket cars and custom bulletproof fur suits and put it toward charity instead?" Oh, you mean investing in humanitarian efforts? Giving millions of dollars annually to various local charities? Investing directly into the rough neighborhoods that he patrols? NEWSFLASH! That's something he already does! Contrary to popular belief, funding this vengeful crusade of his isnt the only thing he does with his money. Money alone can't solve all of Gothams problems. If it could, Thomas and Martha would still be alive! They both gave generously to the community for decades and they still wound up dead in an alley in a neighborhood that they were actively trying to help!
5:35 Slight correction there: Batman did actually die in that story. In Batman Superheavy where it is revealed that Bruce is alive and has amnesia, Superman asks Alfred what happened to him, to which Alfred responds “What happened is that he died. After his fight with the Joker, he was dead for hours. His heart stopped. His brain died. But then he was... healed.” The Dionesuim in the cave that Joker has previously used to heal himself and survive being shot through the heart by Gordon resurrected Batman and healed his wounds, however the new neurones it created to replace the damage in his brain did not have his memories, causing the amnesia. I didn’t know all of that by heart by the way, I have the books sitting in front of me
He's not some traumatized little kid who turned into a raging lunatic who murks people every chance he gets. He's a man who used his childhood trauma to grow and become what he thought was a better person, he became a polymath (look it up it's interesting). That is what makes him unique, his strength comes from his wide array of knowledge and skills, and his motive is to protect other from the same trauma he experienced.
Once in the DCAU, Batman sent a criminal he'd had arrested a care package consisting of a letter written in rhyming couplets and an extra cape and and cowl just to freak him out
I actually don't have an issue with you saying that batman can't beat any foe with enough prep time, i think people say that as more of a meme nowadays than actual fact. What i will contest is batman not being the world's greatest detective, it's the subtitle of his freakin' series. While admittedly these things change from writer to writer, from what i understand the majority of writers at DC and probably DC itself is of the opinion that currently batman is number 1 and detective chimp is number 2. Just cause one writer puts in a remark about detective chimp solving a case that batman can't does not prove all of DC is behind this position. No offense if course, i love this video and agree that Lex Luthor is smarter than batman, i still think batman is the superior detective.
Misconception : batman was trained only by League of Assassins.... they just need to stop watering down batman. he does not brooding all the time, and he is not wearing bruce as a mask... he is batman and bruce at the same time! 2nd: batman conflict over been bruce wayne or batman persona.
Whenever anyone says Batman can’t be happy to be effective I want to personally read them A Lonely Place Of Dying myself. The whole point of that story line is that if Bruce doesn’t have that light that a Robin brings, he could easily lose himself to the darkness. He’s what we like to call complex. Bruce doesn’t have to be all smiles, but he can’t be your edgy Dark Knight either. Bruce Wayne is about finding the balance between dark and light and utilizing it.
My favorite "batman laughing" moment is when he first meets jason todd. (post-crisis i think) he gets back to his batmobile only to find someone has stolen his tires and he starts to laugh hysterically, saying something along the lines of " you have to have some serious nerves to rip off the batman." Then jason todd comes back to the batmobile and he says to him "come to finish the job, eh boy?" Then jason runs away. 😂
When people say: “Eww Batman is so lame he’s just a rich dude” Or When people say: “Superman would win against Batman because Superman’s actually super and Batman’s just human” That just boils my blood.
6:46 I actually disagree with you there. Yes, Batman has a lot of allies, but he hardly has any real *friends*. I think it's a defining feature of his character, he refuses to get too close to other people because he doesen't want to end up getting hurt if something happens to them, because he's been there before.
All I can imagine when I hear batman having a gun is this interaction my brain thought up Joke: hello batma- Batman: *pulls out revolver* where's the hostage. And it's the funniest thing to me
Batman is in my top five favorite heroes but his media has a tendency to elicit groans of exasperation from me. Beceause he's a great character whos fan boys have a horrible habit of utterly ruining him when they get a chance to write for him.
This might just be my little cousins but whenever they see Batman glide, they say he’s flying and when I correct them they get really adamant that he can indeed fly
Lex Luthor being "smarter" than Bruce Wayne doesn't mean much when Bruce is more capable, has learned more things, and is Batman. How much smarter is Lex than Bruce? Probably not significantly.
Why doesn't Batman kill The Joker? Sometimes you have to kill the villain and that one villain should've died along time ago and he also should've stayed dead. The Joker is a great character, but I think we can make good Batman stories without the Joker. I have read some good stories that don't include The Joker, like Batman Dead White.
batmanfanforever08 unless it's been retconned there are actually 3 Jokers existing at the same time. That being said, I think it's been stated somewhere that Batman doesn't kill Joker because Joker wants Batman to kill him, mostly to prove a point. That point being that he and Batman are essentially the same person or as Joker has said on occasion "You're just one bad day away from being me" or something to that effect anyways, and if Batman kills him it'll prove that Batman is no better than Joker, if that makes any sense. Someone please correct me if I am mistaken or whatever.
batmanfanforever08 easier said than done. Most of the Batfamily, and to a certain extent most of the DC universe, tend to follow Batman's no killing rule (there are exceptions of course), Joker is pretty tricky and I believe has faked his death on a few occasions, among other things. Basically, I think it's gotten to the point where Joker can't die unless he wants to, that's not to say he's immortal or anything, simply that he's just so tricky and chaotic and everything that he can do that.
I'm going to be honest, the whole "He'll become the Joker if he kills the Joker" line of thinking is ridiculously shallow and sounds like a bad line from a CW soap opera. People are a lot more complex than that and the whole thing is just reductionist. I don't think that mainline Bruce Wayne should be written to kill the Joker, however. But that's because it's a core part of the character to never kill. Having Batman have to deal with the consequences of his moral code after not killing villains is a lot more interesting than "I if kill the bad guy that makes me the bad guy" elementary school logic.
I just want a few good Batman comics and storylines that don't include the Joker, is that so much to ask for? I get tired of the Joker sometimes. He's a great character, but he's oversaturated. We need to focus on other villains for awhile, like Calendar Man or Condiment King or Scarecrow or anyone else but the Joker.
My favorite batman joke:
*jokers blimp explodes*
Harley : pudding!
Batman : he probably is by now
Batman: "I call it a "bat-tery"
Harley quinn: "No you f@#ing don't"
@@jagossone I love that one haha
wasn't that Lex Luther's flying wing that Joker stole?
and i love that line :) "at this point, he probably is" :)
@@jagossone Robin: What’s a tery?
Misconception:
Killer croc once threw a rock at batman.
Reality:
It was a big rock.
He threw a mountain at Batman lol!😆
No one is going to get this.
@@candycover shhhh
IT'S A ROCK, AND IT'S GIANT!
@@candycover true
Tim Drake is in a constant state of "he will be the world's greatest detective someday". Due to the nature of comics Tim will probably never be classified as "the world's greatest", unless it's a story set in the future. However Tim is still one of the greatest detectives in Dc, I would say he is at least above the Question.
Well said
I would actually like an in depth analysis of Question vs Tim, can someone start an argument with me plz? 😅
In my personal head canon Tim Drake is the worlds greatest detective not only because he found out Batman and robins identity when he was a CHILD but also because he was trained by batman… or at least tied with Bobo
Dude, you gotta tell me the storyline where he checks with a chatroom full of sherlocks.
I'm honestly hella curious now too
i second this
I like that as of this moment you have 137 likes and no answers.
I think it's from Batman: The Private Casebook by Paul Dini
@Second-Hand Videos imagine batman using 4-chan's autistic screech of intelligence to solve and redirect their "reeeeeeeeeee" to actual villains and bad guys
"Batman can't be happy" is the one that hurts. Nowadays everything is about problematic characters and dubious motifs, sometimes the superhero inspirational part is lost.
I know right it's sad
like batman is literally a symbol of hope to the people, and yet so many people portray him as quite the opposite
@@jockeyfield1954 Yeah, Gotham is a hellhole but by all accounts, it was worse before he showed up. It was full of corruption, the mob was allowed to roam free, murders and other horrible things happened regularly. But Batman changed that. Batman's goal is that no child should go through what he did ever again and he knows that he is on his to do that, the criminals hesitating to do things because he might be around is a clear sign of that. If it was hopeless, he would've given up and but he hasn't. It's just lazy writers that sees it differently.
He just started talking about that
Misconception:
Joker is Batman’s opposite.
Reality:
Killer Moth is Batman’s opposite.
I think Prometheus is Batman's opposite since that's what Prometheus is all about.
@@jtb2792 also Batman Zer-En-Arrh
Woah, Steve Jaws in the house!
Yes you speak the truth
There's also Wrath, Cat-man, and Prometheus
Batman literally cracks jokes in The Dark Knight.
Joker says to Rachael "You have a bit of fight in you. I like that"
Batman appears and says "Then you'll love me"
“I’m not wearing hockey pads”
Batman cracked a lot of jokes in DK trilogy
"Now we wouldnt want it to be too easy now do we"
"Bats doesnt like sunlight"
"Acomplish? Im gonna tell them the while thing was your idea"
@@maximussaktish "so that's how it feels"
“Then you’re gonna love me”
@@maximussaktish Bombs a cell door in Arkham and "Excuse me" and earlier in the film "Nice coat!" to the homeless man he gave that coat.
Here is one, "There joker killed Bruce Wayne's parents."
That is just the 89 movie folks.
and the joker movie
@@forestfilms472 Indirectly, but I agree It's still the Jokers fault they died.
god that movie was buns
Does anyone remember Joe Chill anymore
@@hyperion3145 Nolan did
Misconception:
Joker is the best villain
Reality:
No. It's Kiteman.
Misconseption:
kite man is the best villain
Reality:
No. It's Condiment King
Misconception:
Condiment King is the best villain
Reality:
No. Its Tom King's writing
Misconception:
Tom King's writing is the best villain.
Reality:
No, it's Joel Schumacher
His heist will go down in history.
Misconception: kiteman is the best Batman villain
Reality: it’s kiteman, hell yeah.
As far as the children thing goes I consider them all his sons adoption or not. Nurture over nature, he's raised them, guided them, and protected the with his life a piece of paper doesn't make them his sons him being a father makes them his sons.
Damn that's quotable
Except Damien who’s his blood son and was foisted upon him by Talia because he was too unruly for her to control.
Preach
"He may have been your father, but he wasn't your daddy" - Yandu
Zeo Dirk he also has a daughter Helena Wayne with catwoman who is huntress
*Stuff I Got WRONG in This Video*
• Literally the first image I use when talking about Bill Finger, I accidentally used a photo of legendary comic artist, Steve Ditko. That's totally my bad. Bill Finger has so little photos online that I grabbed what I could off of Google and made that mistake.
*Stuff I DIDN'T Get Wrong in This Video* (That commenters are upset about)
• I do not pronounce Ra's al Ghul's name was "Raish" because his name is Arabic for head of the demon and would be spelled رأس الغول. Yes, other works and even the writers have argued over the two pronunciations for years, but my pronunciation is the way it's pronounced in Arabic and as such, that's what I am using.
Good Job on this video.
Comic Drake it’s okay we all make mistakes
It cool bro besides I can't be mad of a guy who dresses scarly like he's Doctor Who. #Drakefor14
What is the first truth of Batman? Well according to when Batman came back it was that he was never alone.
I honestly thought it was a joke that didn't get
Damian Wayne hates Bruce, that's not true, they have a lot of personal moments with each other.
he had no childhood, and met his father when he’d already been raised by assassins, i wouldn’t call that a conventional father-son relationship, i’d say they’re doing good
Damien did initially hate Bruce... Although that depends on the continuity.
I'm so happy this exists. The amount of times people who just see the movies tell me "league of shadows training" or "prep time" is infuriating.
And he doesn't even use prep time or strategy in the movies, so it's likely just something they heard comic book fans talking about and they picked it up and overinflated it.
I personally like the IDEA he got training from Ra’s al Ghul, as they are ninjas and he DOES DEFINITELY have ninjitsu training and it gives him a personal connection to an enemy without going full Raimi Spider-Man and making him directly responsible for that villain’s origin. But yeah...not cannon.
Tbh leauge of shadows training is the best idea
@@davidspring4003 How was Spiderman responsible for the origin of Green Goblin in that movie?
@@heftymagic4814 everyone has their own opinion but usually people who say that are only familiar with the movies
I still can't believe that Batman fans can't accept that he isn't a super being capable of anything.
Also the misconception i would like to list is Batman despising Superman. Surprisingly, it is a pretty big misconception.
I'm a Batman fan and I don't believe any of those silly things.
@@callianr6980 same
Dude someone called me insufferable for pointing out that Batman isnt the best h2h fighter in DC. What even with that word. I read comics. I love Batman (3rd favorite DC superhero ez) but I can see and enjoy the flaws in the character. Or I guess imperfection
Personally prefer the ones that are the most human.
They should read the comic book called Venom where Batman is proven to be all human and capable of falling victim and becoming vulnerable to human problems such as drug addiction and depression. In Venom he was unable to save a little girl from drowning even though he tried all he could to move an impossible, Superman size rock in order to save her and when he was unable to he became a complete mess but was also able to overcome those obstacles and still managed to get Justice for the dead girl.
One thing Whatculture doesn't have? That awesome Batman Bow Tie.
One thing what culture doesn't have? Good videos
FACTS
Nice.
@@nra3zehuti781 YOU REALLY WENT THERE XD
The thing that irritates me as far a misconceptions is that his crime fighting is only as Batman and he does nothing else for Gotham to prevent crime.
You're so fucking wrong. Even as Bruce Wayne he still helps Gotham
That’s literally what I said.
The worst one I see constantly is that Batgirl is supposed to be Batman's girlfriend. Of course this has happened before *cough* Bruce Timm *cough* it drives me crazy that people just assume that's always the case without taking into consideration their sizable age difference and that they often have a father/daughter dynamic (of course this is more obvious with Stephanie and Cassandra, but Barbara also treats him similarly to how she treats Jim)
alexkmz, yeah that’s one I have a huge problem with too, and it’s not like Bruce is hurting for female attention from women his own age
Didn't the two have sex in the animated killing joke?
Cdubs B hence the Bruce Timm reference. He is obsessed with having them be together without actually closing the age gap ever. He did the same thing in the Batman Beyond comics. Dude’s also been drawing porn of his teenage characters for years he’s a massive creep.
Given how close Bruce and Jim are, I've always viewed it as a more overly protective uncle kind of deal.
@@cdubsb3831 We dont speak of that. that scene was blasphemy and BS
That last point is so true; Batman can't beat everyone! There was a recent CBR article that said that Batman could beat Dark Phoenix and I was just like...come on. Prep time can only take you so far against literal gods.
Yeah but im pretty sure he could
@@heftymagic4814 No, he couldn't. The Phoenix has literally held *the entire universe* in the palm of her hand: a guy in a rubber batsuit can't compete with that level of power without some kind of hack (power rings, cosmic powers, etc).
Strangely, the people who say Superman is boring because he is OP are often the ones who say Batman's the best because he "always has a plan." To my mind the best heroes aren't the ones who will always win, the best are the ones who won't win, but keep fighting anyway as it's the right thing to do.
mca mac i honestly think superman is boring but I'm also not a Batman dickrider honestly my favorite dc character is Jason Todd
@@heftymagic4814 Batman can beat most but not reality warpers with prep alone
I’m so glad someone addressed the ridiculous abuse of “B-b-but prep time!”
Batman isn’t perfect, Batman is human. Batman failing even with prep time makes him a far better character.
I would argue that the crux of the prep time argue often overlooks the idea that Batman creates these contingency plans because he failed an initial first battle but survived, analyzed his weaknesses and sought to improve them.
Batman does win with prep time… provided he survives the first encounter.
YES! EXACTLY! Batman is at his best when he's on the back foot!
I agree Batman can’t beat everyone he’s only human and personally that’s what makes him interesting In my opinion
FINALLY!!! SOMEONE WHO GETS IT!!!! Thank You...SOOOOO MUCH, for this Comment. I wish I could take your comment...cause you said this perfectly. Thank You again. I hope you see this.
i mean, if you pin batman against the entire avengers at once with no prep time, he'd be able to take out at least 3-4 people but he'd get absolutely demolished by the extremely advanced tech of iron man and the equally skilled captain america that has actually gone toe to toe with him before, and it took batman 5 minutes to just say "you'd beat me, but it'd take hours to do so"
@@jockeyfield1954 agreed
@@jockeyfield1954 agree with you, but Batman was more skilled than Captain America.
@@jockeyfield1954 No he'd probably easily take down iron man, and Captain America. Captain America only has standard military training, Batman not only has multiple different martial arts under his belt, he also has advanced military training. Basically in all of his powers Captain America can replicate his feats through dopping, but he lacks the tactical mind Batman has due to his training, Daredevil would be the one with the know-how to defeat Batman, if you ask me.
As for why Batman would easily take down Iron Man? Because Batman is a power armor user just like Iron Man, he has quite a few of those in fact, made specifically to deal with specific villains. He knows how they work and he has enough technological knowledge to disable them even if he doesn't know how an specific one works. He can analize it on field and find any structural weaknesses to deal with it.
Now, Batman cannot deal with Hulk or Thor, or Powerman, or Spider-Man, or Dr.Strange, or Captain Marvel, or well any experienced super-hero that has enough experience with their power without prep time, and some of them even with prep time he would still fail to beat.
1st thing they get wrong: he can beat superman.
Seriously though. It was pointed out in a YT video that the point of Batman is not that he would win against people like Superman. The point is that he would most certainly lose against someone like Superman but he would make every effort that he could to beat him. Knowing that he would lose.
I love Batman as much as many others do. But I love him because he is human. He bleeds, he'll lose sometimes, and then he comes back stronger. When Batman wins all the time, against everyone, and has a plan for EVERYTHING, then he becomes boring to me.
well he can, depending on the writer XD hahaha
*+Kai Williams* It partially depends on which version of Superman and/or Batman we're referring to in the given scenario. Different variables will inevitably change the equation.
Ex- There are numerous ways many characters today in DC alone could defeat the original 1930's Superman who couldn't even fly yet. He wasn't a quarter as OP as he is now.
Likewise, Batman wasn't nearly as formidable, intelligent, or prep-heavy in his debut. No character to my knowledge exists that hasn't been changed or reinterpreted at least once.
My advice: Just let it go and let people think what they want. They will anyway regardless of who's "right". I learned that lesson the hard way before giving up on this debate years ago.
Ultimately, it's a pointless pursuit in terms of trying to settle on an absolute consensus. The fact is, there are NO absolutes in fiction except those we as creators set for ourselves.
I don't know about that. All Batman's victories against Superman are kind of based on the fact that Superman doesn't want to kill him or Superman not being in the right mental state to fight Batman. Like during the Dark Knight Returns story. Superman could've just flown Batman to space or flown straight to the Batcave and taken him out there or during Endgame, Jokerized Superman could've crushed Batman's skull, dropped him, or burned a whole into his brain but decided to toy with him for a bit. We've never really seen a pure fight between the two aside from injustice or one of those first encounter team up fights. I think Batman still has a pretty good chance though. After all, Superman is like a brick wall. He doesn't get in your way unless your way is to break him or what he's protecting. Batman is like a drill. While a drill can be broken and fail with the right guidance and precision it can do many things
Which is why I have always had a issue with Superman. He is boring as shit to me. How can you make a Super hero that's basically invulnerable, and make him interesting?
By giving him internal struggles. Have him question his morals and methods. Is he doing enough? Is he doing too much? Does Earth even NEED him? Those questions have been asked...by other people too him, but Superman is SO strong in his convictions, he ALWAYS knows the answer.
I like to think of Batman as a jack of all trades, intelligence wise
It's a shame he hasn't been portrayed that way in any of the live action movies yet.
That picture of the "creator" of Batman was Steve Ditko.
Shit, you're right. Bill Finger has so little photos that I grabbed what I could off of google and missed that one. Stuff I Got WRONG About Batman!
Hey that's okay! Still was great informative video! Keep up the good work and awesome videos!
I was about to comment about that
Batman The Dark Knight Is he though?
My favorite stories for batman are the ones where he's the therapist for the supervillains he's faced, or at least is actively trying to help them and acknowledges their humanity, even if they may not be ready to acknowledge it themselves. That to me is what Bruce's character is about, a man who goes out into danger to help those that are most destructive to themselves and others.
I see that in his relationship with Night Wing.
The biggest Batman Misconception i ever heard was: Batman is Selfish. The Person i heard it from says, he‘s selfish because he always keeps Secrets from other‘s and somehow taught he did it for Personal Benefit.
You know I can agree prep time doesn't mean Batman will win all the time but I like to think a lot of batman's prep time and contingencies comes from experience.
Cuz it does
Joshua Hammond I think he doesn't need "prep"time cause if he isn't sleeping or doing Bruce Wayne related stuff he is doing batstuff preparing so he really wouldn't bed prep time
@@kevin10001 yeah I can see that
The only thing that we can win with against foes stronger than him is being the main character lol.
He works alone, except when he works with Alfred, which is all the time! XD
Sorry, couldn’t pass up the opportunity for a Dangeresque reference :P
Hey wouldn’t formally adopting a robin make them direct heirs?
Not sure how it went down but it would seem to me that adopting an adult Robin would be important to let them continue there work with any inheritance.
Man I kinda want to see a board meeting with all the Robins trying to figure out a complex financial issue as there normal self’s.
Here's how I would split the inheiritence.
Everyone gets a sixth of the money (I'm including Alfred and Barbara) and dick gets the house because he's going to succeed him. Lucius gets the company and superman gets any justice league related assets Bruce owns.
@@christiancrusader9374 Pretty sure the company is going to Tim, actually. Wasn't he made CEO or something?
@@callianr6980 that makes sense.
FreeJaffa92 the one time on batman I heard them explaine the succession of his fortune not sure if it's similar in the books cause I haven't read a storyline that tells this but on the show if Bruce died dick got the money and if Bruce and dick both die aunt Harriet got the money
Injustice damyin Wayne ending
Here is the thing... I feel at this point, Batman is more myth than character. So what can he do? It depends on the myth... it depends on the legend...
Which is exactly what Batman creates. "Criminals are a cowardly and superstitious lot," Batman is a symbol, representing hope for Gotham and fear for criminals. By using that fear to his advantage, he is able to take on the criminal underworld.
Great video, I love the ending where you explain that batman wins because he's the good guy and it's part of the plot not because of prep time. I would also agree that there are smarter people than Batman. I just can't take Lex Luthor seriously as being smarter than Bruce Wayne because Lex can't tell a man wearing glasses is actually his arch nemesis.
Nick Blog to be fair, I think it's been stated that the glasses or something hypnotize people looking at him, so they don't see Superman and just see Clark. Plus I think Lex probably does know and just doesn't want to say anything since he wants Superman all to himself and doesn't want to give the other villains the chance to kill him, though that last part is mostly opinion.
@@lordofninjas1 I know and the real reason the glasses are a thing is I suppose in the 1930s writers just thought "cover his face than no one will know." As for what you said that's actually a cool thought, and makes more sense for Lex's egotistical side.
Nick Blog yeah, that's probably the case. Comics were pretty crazy back in the day, and still are.
@@nickblog3407 kryptonian glasses it can change superman's look
I think it was said in one of the comics that Lex worked out Clarke Kent was Superman , but his ego wouldn't let him accept the idea of the most powerful man working a day job, so he couldn't let himself admit it. I think he built a computer to work out who Superman was or some such.
Personally, I always liked the idea that all the villains know who Superman is, they just won't say anything as making sure Clark has to keep a job and his life going is the only chance they have a few hours free each day to commit crime.
It should be noted that in most continuities, it's not that Batman IS a loner, but that he STARTS as a loner... big difference.
Also, the "Batman can't be happy" thing is more about the burden he refuses to let go, rather than the happy moments. Even people with depression can have moments of happiness.
I feel like some of the things people are saying are simplifications or meant in a specific context (sometimes to a certain time periods in Batman's life).
And if you notice, MOST TIMES Batman is noted to be able to do or solve everything, it's in some sort of parody or comedy that isn't meant to be taken seriously.
Cool video, but I have to disagree on one part. In Endgame, he did die in the cave with the joker. They were later reanimated by the dionesium that was spilled all over the cave, but that took quite some time to, not only get to them, but to also heal their bodies. Alfred mentions it to Superman in #43 while showing him Bruce's brain scan and telling him the brain pattern is different, since the dionesium rebuild a new brain but didn't do an exact copy of his old one, hence his memory loss. So yeah it wasn't long, but he technically was dead for at least a few days before being brought back
So, Batman is dead and they just got a clone? RIP Batman Mk1.
Everyone: Batman works alone!!!
Me: *Looks at Alfred Pennyworth, Lucius Fox, Dick Grayson/Night Wing, Tim Drake/Red Hood, Jason Todd/Red Robin, Damien Wayne/Robin, Barbara Gordon/Batgirl/Oracle, Kate Kane/Batwoman, and Luke Fox/Batwing* Yeah, sounds about right.
I think you mixed up Jason and Tim. My understanding is that Jason is Red Hood and Tim is Red Robin. Plus there's Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain for other Batman-specific partners as well as the fact that he is often a founder or major member of the Justice League with the DCAU establishing that he was only a part-timer in their version.
Finally someone mentions the batman can beat anyone with prep time misconception, i like the statement he's the main character nice, plot armor is strong with them
That robin isn't is useless and just a target and nothing more
Ya to be fair he gets capture in other media. But in comics all the robins are great or may not the best. but they all so much more that a sidekick. Like you said they basic his sons and robin keeps Bruce sane.
And Robin along with all his other allies is his contigince plan for his death or if he goes insane or gets brain washed or mind controled. Have you seen justice league doom
One misconception that bothers me is when people say Batman/ Bruce Wayne takes advantage of the capitalist system to only beat poor/ mentally ill, desperate people who only engage in criminal activity to make ends meet instead of fighting crime and disparity at it's source.
Like, have you read a comic in the last 10 years?
Yeah, I mean sure, Mr. Freeze's backstory is sad, but he's still killed people. Also, Penguin's just a mob boss who plays up a theme, Ivy wants to commit genocide, Killer Croc EATS people, Mad Hatter is a pedophile as near as I can tell, Scarecrow is amoral, Bane is clearly in full possecion of his mental falculties, Selina's just a crook, and Joker's well, Joker. The only villains I can see fitting into this role are Harley and Two-Face, but even then it's made very clear their situations are sympathetic and Bruce DOES try and help them with varying degrees of success.
sabitsuita he has come up against Alexander Joseph luthor aka lex Luthor for those who don't know his real name many times and he is a rich guy
Callian r
Especially dent. Batman has time and time gain tried to help him to return to what he once was, but sadly he has failed most times.
@@callianr6980 I dont think people refer to the villains but the random things that batman beats up on the regular
Also Batman in TAS does do both and is my favorite version of him.
I thought that she was created to replace Batwoman. In my research, Batwoman was a love interest for Batman and because she wasn't good enough for audiences, they scrapped her.
So Batgirl came up and replaced her. Then Batwoman's *preference* was changed, along with her appearance.
That's just what I researched. I probably missed something but that's what I found.
You technically got the facts right, but they're a little bit jumbled up. The original Batgirl, Betty Kane, was added in _addition_ to the original Batwoman, Kathy Kane, so Robin could have a love interest too in the 1950's. Like Drake said, the Batgirl we know today, Barbara Gordon, was created in the TV show in the 1960's and that's who replaced the original Batwoman and Batgirl (until they were brought back later, of course).
I researched that too, but I did not wanna make the comment super long. But yeah, the OG Batgirl was Betty Kane.
That basically corroborates it because Batman and Robin were accused of being gay, but charges were dropped when they got love interests.
Then the 1960's-- yep, we know the rest. Those times were crazy as heck.
Allegations of characters being gay... then writers getting charged for that... yet I thought the world made comics controversial.
The idea that Batman is the best fighter in the DCU always amuses me when there are two proved better fighters in his entourage and even more at large. Cassandra Cain and Connor Hawke. Lady Shiva. Karate Kid (who doesn't need kryptonite or prep time to fight Superboy just saying). Slade Wilson. The Sensei. Arguably Richard Dragon and Ben Turner.
I'll give you Lady Shiva and Cassandra Cain, I don't know who Connor Hawke is and don't know anything about Karate Kid. I would say Deathstroke and Batman was even. Their most recent fight in Rebirth came to standstill at one point and he was only able to walk away where Batman couldn't due to his healing factor. I also heard there was a time Deathstroke defeated Batman but was so battered that he lost to a common thug after.
Dude, I find people like you insufferable. "Batman isn't the best fighter though!" Shut up. He's the fucking best fighter there is and you know it!
@@kannakamui2334 in older comics Slade was at least as good then had superhuman advantages. Bruce told Cassandra to not fight him because of it. Maybe he got gimped in Rebirth. I haven't seen it.
Connor Hawke is Oliver Queen's son. Less good with a bow but much better in hand to hand. In the Silver Monkey tournament storyline where all of DCs beat fighters (save Cassandra) had a tourney even against their will. The two finalists were Shiva and Connor. Shiva won. Connor was #2. Now. Connor admits Batman is a master. He has more control and progress. But Batman lost and Connor didnt. Nightwing also jobbed clean to Shiva (I think) early on. Shiva beat everyone on the list tho.
I dont actually like LOSH much but I cant take away that Superman lost to him. Also considers KK superior to Batman. In their one fight Batman beat a mind controlled and (according to Batman) seriously gimped KK.
Later in that story KK dodged lightning. I suppose it's not clear cut but he DID beat Superboy sans prep time or green k. So he ranks up there imo.
@@kannakamui2334 also this is a BIG maybe but Bruce considered Dick to be better. Though if he's better NOW or will be is always in flux since they dont really age. Sorry for the double reply my phone is s douche.
Cassandra cain was also Bruce's adopted daughter pre new 52
I agree with most of these. That said, it's really only dependent on the writer.
For instance, in "Babel", I think it is suggested that Batman can beat anyone with prep time. In other runs, he's just a skilled guy that occasionally loses.
Sometimes Batman will never use guns. Other times, he will sometimes use guns. Depends on the headcanon of the writer. And we make our own headcanon of what runs we think of as "true".
That's something that really puts me off from comics. Every writer essentially creates their own version of the character, and while that has its advantages, I think it can really screw up consistency in development and story-telling
@@Mal-go5dl I see that, but I also think it's fascinating. There's no other art form that has a story that has contributed for a century and changed dozens of hands like, say, Superman's story. I submit that it's the worlds longest "living" narrative.
@@jearn11 That is something that I can appreciate and I think it's amazing as well how these characters have been written for decades, and it doesn't seem like they're going away anytime soon.
@@jearn11 I would actually go with King Arthur for that. He's been built on and reimagined for CENTURIES.
yes but with prep time even Green Arow can beat him. i don't get why WHY people act like he's a god in mortal . Green arrow fighting batman it's like Connor Macgregor vs Nate Diaz anything ANYTHING can happen they are bothvery martially skilled, very smart they have being doing the same shit for a long long time. batman has all the gadgets and green arrow as a literally ranged weapon. i don't get why people elevate batman so much .he's great but he loses the appeal to me when people make him this god! Yes in Babel batman has a plan to defeat everyone but there's also a JLA comic where angry martian manhunter defeates everybody with 0 effort.
Probably my favorite Batman joke comes from The Batman, in the episode where Joker tries to become Batman. He injects Bruce with a Joker Toxin that basically starts turning him into Joker (like Batman Who Laughs but tame), and Bruce barely beats it. He fights Joker one more time, and at the end of the episode, he says to Joker:
A man walks into a bar. He says:
(Batman punches Joker)
Ouch.
I agree with your last point with modification. I have always hated that people say that Batman is reliant on prep time which isn't true he's a strategist who knows himself that his plans won't always workand can come up with a plan in the moment if necessary. It's sometimes a Scooby doo trope, plan Don't work so come up with something else. I liked this video i find your videos very informative and interesting especially coming from an animation and comic research background with little comic book interaction.
My favorite was when he basically beat the White Martians with matches and gasoline. No prep time, just using his smarts on the fly.
I always think that Batman is the "broken unhappy loner" for like the first 3 years of his tenure. It's when he's the youngest, most aggressive, and most green at the vigilante gig. This all changes and by extension his emotional state changes, when Dick Grayson becomes Robin. He has his ups and downs (Dick leaving, Jason arriving, Jason dying) but it mostly gets better especially after Tim Drake. It's only after he retires that it can go one of three ways - that being the DKR/BvS gruff loner, Batman Beyond gruff old timer, or the Dark Knight Rises happily retired with Catwoman.
Definely the legend created by the tower of babel storyline that Batman has plans for every member of the Justice League to defeat them easily. I can't tell you how many times that is bought up. If any member of the league seriously goes at batman, he's done. And not clouded by joker toxin like Endgame.
I actually like that one, because A) he's the kind of guy that would come up with at least an idea of how to beat the league in case they go rogue (but i agree that making the plan foolproof, easy to execute or go smoothly from the first go is dumb), B) it creates tension with the other members of the league, leading to potentially interesting character dynamics and C) it can backfire, as seen in Justice League: DOOM, which leads to potential good stories.
Also we should not forget that Bruce contingency plans were to subdue, incapacitate and buy time. As Was his Plan in elseworld/Millerverse/questionable canonicity TDKR (Comic) that was butchered but looked ok in BvS.
The Plans Used in Bable were upgraded by Ras to be deadly.. and he is a man who might have encountered Metas before...
Batman probably does have plans to defeat every member of the League. And you know what? They probably include recruiting other super heroes to help. Because Batman knows his limits well enough to know he can’t defeat everyone with his fists and gadgets.
(Also his plans for League members going rogue include one for himself and he’s not going to defeat himself now is he?)
yes but there's also a JLA comic where Martian Manhunter gets angry loses the fear of fire and beats everybody ass with no effort . but nobody uses that as a card to say martian manhunter is the stronger .
tcochu the contingency plans Bruce has for the rest of the league was a big part of justice league doom were vandel savage has another villain hack Bruce's batcave computer and steal those plans and uses them on the league to stop them from destroying the world
I like the moments where Batman admits that he isn't perfect. The moments he says that some people are better detectives or better fighters than he is. It really humanizes him.
Endgame trailer reference on the Batman comic behind you!
hey!!!! I was going to say that !!!
Tell me this is a joke
The prep time thing makes sense especially when like a solid 70% of the time he just identifies which one or group of his buddies can completely negate the problem. The other 30% is him dramatically unveiling some new vehicle or gadget. I'm here for it though friendship really was the prep time all along.
Honestly I love batman but I always feel like I love a different character than others. Batman is kind, humorous, and most importantly just a man. I don't see someone who is driven soley by grief but someone who used it to dedicate himself to helping others. I don't see a loner out of the guy who 98% of the time is working either in a group or with someone else. He is a man who's skills put him to where he can keep up with literal gods, but so for all the Robins, Green Arrow, Ted Kord and so many others. He has friends, he has family, he is happy at times, and he can fail.
The storyline of dead of the family It”s Batman having partners and the joker wanting him to be lonely
The main misconception with Batman that I've noticed lately that annoys me, but this might just be me and might not actually be a thing is his relationship with Superman. I've personally noticed lot of people lately seem to think that Batman and Superman hate each other.
I would say that misconception stems from things like BvS and the Injustice video games. Which are what more casual fans have probably seen, I would guess. I've noticed it as well.
@@loganireson4501 Yeah, that and the recent popularity of Dark Knight Returns doesn't help too. Glad that I'm not the only one who's noticed this though
+Logan Ireson But the Injustice games highlight that Superman was once Batman's best friend and routinely show how it's painful for Batman to have to fight him and how Superman feels Batman betrayed him.
+Logan Ireson But the Injustice games highlight that Superman was once Batman's best friend and routinely show how it's painful for Batman to have to fight him and how Superman feels Batman betrayed him.
@@mrj9699 Very true. I just assume that there are plenty of people out there that have never really finished the story or never even started it just to go straight to the multiplayer elements. Just an assumption I've made from some experiences with a few friends of mine.
Misconception: Batman doesn't design his own tech and gadgets. _Lucius_ is the one who does that.
Reality: Batman is more than capable enough to design his own tech and gadgets, but he asks Lucius for help for two main reasons: 1) To save time, and 2) To have an outside opinion on his design choices.
I have this collection of old Batman comics, the ones that the Adam West show was based on. And in one of them, Batman and Robin straight up BUILD a new Batplane after the first got stolen. Not sure why your comment reminded me of that, but it did.
How about one for superman or even aquaman since his movie is around the corner.
The Batman 2022 actually nails batman's sense of humor accurately. While yes being stoic and somewhat emotionally stunted, he still finds levity. About the happiness thing, it isn't that he's unable to be happy, it's that people who suffer from serious PTSD as Batman evidently does, can retroactively erase the idea of happiness, it feels all consuming and it felt like the idea of happiness never really happened. It comes in episodes and waves
In all honesty, as much fun as it is to say Batman can win any fight, he can’t. That’s what makes him interesting. He’s not the best fighter, or the most intelligent. What makes him interesting is that he’s a mix of all of these things. What makes him awesome is the fact that he’ll go against literal gods, knowing full well they could eradicate him off the face of the Earth. Like Kevin Conroy’s Batman said when told he didn’t have any special powers, “oh I have one. I never give up.” What some people fail to realize when Batman fights Superman is this: he knows he can’t win head on. Like he says in the Hush storyline, “If Clark wanted to, he could use his superspeed and squish me into the cement.” He knew that even though he was under Poison Ivy’s control, Clark was holding back. That fight is more Batman and Superman vs Ivy’s control than anything else.
Another fight that people like to point to is the Dark Knight Returns. The same thing applies here. Superman is severely hindered in this fight. He is already weak from a nuclear exploding right on top of him, he hasn’t been powered by the suns rays in days, and is trying very hard not to kill his old friend. Bruce, on the other hand, has spent years waiting for this moment. He already had synthetic Kryptonite on standby. He set up missiles in Crime Alley, where they had scheduled to fight, and has multiple weapons ready for use. And yet, he still knows he can’t win a head-on assault against Superman. Even with all of that, Superman would still annihilate him. His goal isn’t to beat him in a fight. His goal is to stall until the pill he took stops his heart, thus faking his death and escaping the government.
Bruce starts the fight by hitting Clark with missiles. Then, he hits him with the Batmobile/Bat-tank. When Clark takes that out, Bruce pulls out sonic gun that actually makes Superman bleed. Then he frys his brain with the entirety of Gotham’s City’s power supply, also powering his battle suit. He hits him with a solid punch in that iconic panel. Then, immediately after that, Superman catches his next punch, grabs Bruce’s mask, and shoves him, tearing his mask off. The two start bashing each other. Superman could easily blow a hole in Batman’s exposed head, but he doesn’t. Bruce knows he won’t. Clark’s fighting to incapacitate him, not kill him. Even so, he crushes Bruce’s wrist and breaks three of his ribs. However, Bruce notices that Clark did actually break a sweat. But Bruce still isn’t done. He throws some acid in Clark’s face, and tosses an explosive. He then says that he’s finally gotten Clark angry, and that it’s now or never. That’s when the rest of his plan comes into play. All of the fight was a stall to get Oliver Queen into position to shoot Superman with the Kryptonite arrow. Note that Superman still manages to catch the arrow. Then the Kryptonite affects him. Bruce bashes him around a little, says his line about being the one man who beat him, then fakes his heart attack.
What makes this fight great isn’t Batman beating up Superman. He still nearly lost the fight. What makes it great is the emotion behind he fight. The two of them were friends, but they went separate ways when the government decided that Superheroes needed to either go away or serve the government. Batman knew he couldn’t really beat Clark in a fistfight. Superman wasn’t even at full strength here, and he still could’ve crushed Batman if he really wanted to. But Batman knows that Clark doesn’t want to, and he uses that to his advantage. That’s what makes Batman a great hero. He doesn’t always win, but he never gives in.
Why does hush sound like civil war but dc?
Honestly I also hate that ppl for get green arrow and Batman stick together because they are humans lol
I think Batman is one of the most powerful heroes not because of "prep time" or "intellect"... At least not simply that, it's competence, the ability to always choose the most reasonable option even if it's not obvious and always have the skill that would be needed, I would fully expect him to pull out a musical number he never thought he'd need to use just because he made sure he was prepared.
My personal take on how Dick, Jason, Tim, and Damian are counted as Bruce's sons: they all are. Damian is by blood and the only one that can't really be questioned too much, Jason and Tim are by law/adoption, and Dick is in spirit and maybe also by law. I'm not sure how exactly I want it to fall with Bruce adopting Dick since I haven't read the comics. I've read many different fanfictions with good explanations for why Bruce did or didn't adopt him in the story. I like the idea that Bruce isn't trying to replace Dick's father which is often why Dick isn't adopted, but some will also have them talking about it after Jason is adopted (I think they have it happen before Jason's death or else Jason doesn't die in it) and have Bruce ask about if Dick wants to be fully adopted. To me, it would depend on how it's written, if it's respectful with how/why Bruce goes with adoption then I'm good, but if it's not going to be respectful, then I think stick to Dick as Bruce's ward. Even if Dick, Jason, and Tim are adopted, it doesn't have to mean that they gave up their last names. Yes, most people probably do have their names changed with adoption, but the boys seem to be old enough that they might choose to keep their last names. This is just based off the picture you used while saying that it's unclear what standing the boys have since even if Dick and Tim were adopted, they could be going by their birth names still, so that's how they were recognized.
It’s the League of Assassins not the League of Shadows
That’s honestly my biggest pet peeve with Batman fans, that and people saying Heath Ledger is the best Joker. He’s tied with Nicholson, but they’re both under Monaghan and Hamill
I love Batman more than any other fictional character. He means a lot to me, importantly because he rose above his pain to protect others from suffering the same thing. But it pains me a lot of people these days love Batman because of his name, not because of who he is, and I have some misconceptions about him.
1. Batman has to be a a brutal killer. No, if you make Batman a bully, he will be no different from the criminals he fights. He isn't. He stands for justice, not for revenge.
2. In order to be a Batman fan, you have to make fun of Superman. Maybe I'm not a fan of Superman, but I have always held a deep, sincere respect for him.
3. Batman is insane. The worst misconception ever. He suffered a big trauma, yes, but he controlled his pain and used it to strike fear into the hearts of criminals and help others in the guise of a bat.
tbh, some of these misconceptions aren't misconceptions, like Batman not using guns, under most conditions Batman does tend to avoid using a gun, a lot of the animated shows tend to overemphasizes this fact but from from what I can recall he doesn't like using a gun since at least the silver age of comics. And that's just one example.
I do take one issue with that whole prep time thing. Yes it is very much so true a lot of main characters go through the loop of losing gathering themselves, preparing and then winning however Batman is very different his character embodies the idea of being prepared more so than any other. The concept of Batman preparing and superman preparing are very different. He almost never wins fights on pure brute force there is ALWAYS some underlying level of strategy, trickery or skill involved. No character does it quite the same.
I just realized the symbolism (Whether intentional or not) in Batman not being able to die. Batman symbolizes hope, we all know that, but the fact that Batman cannot die also means that hope cannot die. That's really cool.
Yes! Louder for the people in the back! Batman can be happy...that last fact is blasphemous though! (XD lol)
Holy crap I've only realized today that Bob Kane's Bat-Man looks just like Tim Drake's red Red Robin costume!
You're probably too busy to notice me, senpai.
I think the part about Batman with prep time always wins is that he's obsessed with prep time. So much so that his contingency plans almost killed his friends. Even the Batman Who Laughs was able to go through with killing them in his own universe. Just adding something to the discussion.
On thing Whatcultute doesn’t have is 6:05 Drake doing a Batman voice and miserably failing
I hate so much the prep time argument
It’s always
Batman will always win with prep time
As if no other being in the universe can prepare too.
Thank you. The Batman can't be happy thing is freaking ridiculous and I'd even argue that the Batman Beyond future where Bruce is "alone" was less about him actually being alone and more him having a falling out with the Bat Family and just retreating away from all of his friends. In the Justice League future episode, Superman immediately hears him through Terry's coms and lets him know that its good to see him back at the job. Its obvious from that scene that yeah Clark missed him, but respected his pain enough not to try forcing the issue. I can imagine that being the case for most of Bruce's friends. They know him and know that he has to work through things in his own time.
My favorite Batman joke: it's the car right chicks dig the car
10/10 in these points.
Well done. You could've used more ammunition for most of your points, but essentially you said what needed to be said.
Let us also remember his compassion. He may be grim and brutal so many times, but it's not beneath him to know someone he knows needs help. So many of his rogues are deep down just people. He will try to help them however he can. He may look stern, but deep inside he will grieve alongside someone hurting.
As far as I have read and seen so far, Lex and Batman are pretty much on par when it comes to intelligence. When Batman was allegedly dead he was about to say that he is currently the most intelligent human there is. But first he asked a JL member to make sure Batman was dead since Batman could kinda be more intelligent. But again that always depends on the writer and to be fair both characters have probably not fully used all their potential so it's hard to say. Batman outsmarted Lex very often and Lex outsmarted Batman as well. Pretty much the same level I'd say.
Misconception: batman is ultra brutal and doesn’t care about people
I feel like I see a lot of people talking about have brutal Batman is, and while it happen here and there, he’s mostly a kind person. Like I think the animated series does it well. Bruce really does feel for his fellow man and even his villains. The villains, except for the joker, are people who frequently suffer from mental disorders and trauma, and Bruce does see that.
When he’s trash to his family, it’s not done without understanding what he’s doing. It’s done because I’m his mind the mission comes before everything
Some solid points on the prep time, Drake.
Ok, this one really annoys me whenever I see it.
"Why doesn't Bruce just take all the money he would spend on gadgets, rocket cars and custom bulletproof fur suits and put it toward charity instead?"
Oh, you mean investing in humanitarian efforts? Giving millions of dollars annually to various local charities? Investing directly into the rough neighborhoods that he patrols? NEWSFLASH! That's something he already does! Contrary to popular belief, funding this vengeful crusade of his isnt the only thing he does with his money. Money alone can't solve all of Gothams problems. If it could, Thomas and Martha would still be alive! They both gave generously to the community for decades and they still wound up dead in an alley in a neighborhood that they were actively trying to help!
What about this?
PUDDIN'
At this point he probably is.
5:35 Slight correction there: Batman did actually die in that story. In Batman Superheavy where it is revealed that Bruce is alive and has amnesia, Superman asks Alfred what happened to him, to which Alfred responds “What happened is that he died. After his fight with the Joker, he was dead for hours. His heart stopped. His brain died.
But then he was... healed.”
The Dionesuim in the cave that Joker has previously used to heal himself and survive being shot through the heart by Gordon resurrected Batman and healed his wounds, however the new neurones it created to replace the damage in his brain did not have his memories, causing the amnesia.
I didn’t know all of that by heart by the way, I have the books sitting in front of me
He's not some traumatized little kid who turned into a raging lunatic who murks people every chance he gets. He's a man who used his childhood trauma to grow and become what he thought was a better person, he became a polymath (look it up it's interesting). That is what makes him unique, his strength comes from his wide array of knowledge and skills, and his motive is to protect other from the same trauma he experienced.
Drake's first Batman voice actually sounded good.
The because Batman people piss me off lol
I hate it when there's that one guy who knows nothing about DC and tries to argue with you about how Batman can fly 🙄
From which comic is the image of lex meeting my Bae death?
Timestamp 9:30
Once in the DCAU, Batman sent a criminal he'd had arrested a care package consisting of a letter written in rhyming couplets and an extra cape and and cowl just to freak him out
I actually don't have an issue with you saying that batman can't beat any foe with enough prep time, i think people say that as more of a meme nowadays than actual fact. What i will contest is batman not being the world's greatest detective, it's the subtitle of his freakin' series.
While admittedly these things change from writer to writer, from what i understand the majority of writers at DC and probably DC itself is of the opinion that currently batman is number 1 and detective chimp is number 2. Just cause one writer puts in a remark about detective chimp solving a case that batman can't does not prove all of DC is behind this position. No offense if course, i love this video and agree that Lex Luthor is smarter than batman, i still think batman is the superior detective.
Misconception : batman was trained only by League of Assassins.... they just need to stop watering down batman. he does not brooding all the time, and he is not wearing bruce as a mask... he is batman and bruce at the same time! 2nd: batman conflict over been bruce wayne or batman persona.
Year 2 is a nonsensical story. It's remembered just because is the base for Mask of the phantom.
'Batman could solve all of Gothams problems by being Bruce Wayne full time.' Is a misconception I just find funny.
Gotham is super corrupt, so yeah, you need to practice vigilantism to take some people down.
Whenever anyone says Batman can’t be happy to be effective I want to personally read them A Lonely Place Of Dying myself. The whole point of that story line is that if Bruce doesn’t have that light that a Robin brings, he could easily lose himself to the darkness. He’s what we like to call complex. Bruce doesn’t have to be all smiles, but he can’t be your edgy Dark Knight either. Bruce Wayne is about finding the balance between dark and light and utilizing it.
*batman freefalling*
"I need air support since I can't fly- _at all_ "
My favorite "batman laughing" moment is when he first meets jason todd. (post-crisis i think) he gets back to his batmobile only to find someone has stolen his tires and he starts to laugh hysterically, saying something along the lines of " you have to have some serious nerves to rip off the batman." Then jason todd comes back to the batmobile and he says to him "come to finish the job, eh boy?" Then jason runs away. 😂
2:21 Steve Ditko co created batman with Bob Kane and Bill Finger?
When people say: “Eww Batman is so lame he’s just a rich dude”
Or
When people say: “Superman would win against Batman because Superman’s actually super and Batman’s just human”
That just boils my blood.
@@candycover Try to use some real arguments...
@@candycover Like... actual facts instead of banal opinions disguised as facts...
@@candycover Wow, such a elevated argument.
@@candycover Is up ti the person who made a statement to prove its point, not to the others to argue it
@@candycover Yeah, and that is litterally not and argument to say a character is boring or bad. Expecially in the comics industry
6:46 I actually disagree with you there. Yes, Batman has a lot of allies, but he hardly has any real *friends*. I think it's a defining feature of his character, he refuses to get too close to other people because he doesen't want to end up getting hurt if something happens to them, because he's been there before.
I can agree with everything you said about this video
All I can imagine when I hear batman having a gun is this interaction my brain thought up
Joke: hello batma-
Batman: *pulls out revolver* where's the hostage.
And it's the funniest thing to me
Batman is in my top five favorite heroes but his media has a tendency to elicit groans of exasperation from me. Beceause he's a great character whos fan boys have a horrible habit of utterly ruining him when they get a chance to write for him.
This might just be my little cousins but whenever they see Batman glide, they say he’s flying and when I correct them they get really adamant that he can indeed fly
Yay tim drake robin
Tim is the Best.
Lex Luthor being "smarter" than Bruce Wayne doesn't mean much when Bruce is more capable, has learned more things, and is Batman. How much smarter is Lex than Bruce? Probably not significantly.
Misconception: Batman kills people
Reality: Batman refuses to kill people,the killing part is only in live action movies
I didn't think Tim Drake ever lived with Batman. I thought he lived with his father, then left Gotham for a time after the death of his father.
Why doesn't Batman kill The Joker? Sometimes you have to kill the villain and that one villain should've died along time ago and he also should've stayed dead. The Joker is a great character, but I think we can make good Batman stories without the Joker. I have read some good stories that don't include The Joker, like Batman Dead White.
batmanfanforever08 unless it's been retconned there are actually 3 Jokers existing at the same time. That being said, I think it's been stated somewhere that Batman doesn't kill Joker because Joker wants Batman to kill him, mostly to prove a point. That point being that he and Batman are essentially the same person or as Joker has said on occasion "You're just one bad day away from being me" or something to that effect anyways, and if Batman kills him it'll prove that Batman is no better than Joker, if that makes any sense. Someone please correct me if I am mistaken or whatever.
Simple solution to that problem, let someone else kill The Joker.
batmanfanforever08 easier said than done. Most of the Batfamily, and to a certain extent most of the DC universe, tend to follow Batman's no killing rule (there are exceptions of course), Joker is pretty tricky and I believe has faked his death on a few occasions, among other things. Basically, I think it's gotten to the point where Joker can't die unless he wants to, that's not to say he's immortal or anything, simply that he's just so tricky and chaotic and everything that he can do that.
I'm going to be honest, the whole "He'll become the Joker if he kills the Joker" line of thinking is ridiculously shallow and sounds like a bad line from a CW soap opera. People are a lot more complex than that and the whole thing is just reductionist.
I don't think that mainline Bruce Wayne should be written to kill the Joker, however. But that's because it's a core part of the character to never kill. Having Batman have to deal with the consequences of his moral code after not killing villains is a lot more interesting than "I if kill the bad guy that makes me the bad guy" elementary school logic.
I just want a few good Batman comics and storylines that don't include the Joker, is that so much to ask for? I get tired of the Joker sometimes. He's a great character, but he's oversaturated. We need to focus on other villains for awhile, like Calendar Man or Condiment King or Scarecrow or anyone else but the Joker.
Comic drake: Batman can't beat anyone with prep time
Batman fanboys: so you have chosen death