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- ( tfl-studios.com/ ) Check out our new spot to find ALL our content, from news to videos and our podcasts! Welcome back to TFL Talkin' Trucks! Andre and Nathan discuss the latest batch of luxury trucks on the market, with the newest Toyota Tundra Capstone driving the conversation. The most luxurious Tundra will likely be the most expensive ever - and we're already in a market full of crazy expensive luxury trucks. Is it all getting way too expensive, or is the extra cost worth it for all the cool features?
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 Intro
4:50 Luxury Truck Pricing
13:23 Power
21:41 Speakers
28:49 Comfortable (Massaging!) Seats
31:05 Infotainment Systems
37:19 Semi-autonomous Driver Aids
40:52 Unique Features
47:02 More on Seating
52:55 Suspension - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
I was born in 1960 and I can say without reservation that, YES!!!. They've gone to far beyond most people's price range. The only fix to this problem in my mind would be for the banking agencies to only allow a vehicle to be financed for no more than 48 months. And as an aside. With the cash for clunkers ($8000) to buy a truck really screwed us all. Because it only took the auto industry to raise the process accordingly. Great video guys. 💯👍
Dem katz be planning it well, aren't they.
Banking agencies love long term loans, no way they would limit terms it’s how they make money
Rising regulations, labor costs, development costs, and emissions taxes are pushing the prices up, they are not expensive just because banks are willing to loan on extended terms, in fact extended terms are much more risky for banks bc there’s a higher chance the borrow will default upside down on the loan, and that someone will trade in the vehicle before the loan retires, and the bank will have to continue making payments with interest to the third party they sold the security to
You have people eating instant Ramen so they can drive in style 😎
@@z00h Yes they are because they all have this money in EVs stock and their batteries and everything and these people are criminal son of a bitches. I mean Jesus Christ they stole the elections everything they talk about on CNN and MSNBC is so wrong on every level. Yeah we are living in the end times big time. Absolutely disgusting in the world we're in right now The lies and deceit is pathetic
I guess I'm getting a maverick! Only truck reasonable right now! Hope ford goes after dealers for raising the price Ford said they wouldn't send them any more new vehicles!
Thats kind of sad i mean the only reasonable truck that america has is the fragile unibody cvt maverick in mexico we got the real deal the base ranger 6 speed manual in fact even Chevrolet released the S10 Max a cheaper body on frame truck with 6 speed manual (The new colorado is just too expensive)
The new truck market values are 10-15% higher for sure. Dealers are definitely taking advantage of the “shortage”. Only issue I see is when the supply gets fixed(fed raises there rates as well) and this will cause the market to crash and there’s going to be a lot of people under water in there loans. It’s going to be 2008 all over again. 🤷🏼♂️
Ppl are gonna wake up 20 to 30k upside down lol
@@philipparana9225 The demographics buying these luxury trucks just write a check. To them buying this truck is like the average person buying an electric bicycle. This is no different than someone buying an S class and you are getting a much more capable vehicle. There are a lot of affluent and rich people in this country. These wealthy people are subsidizing the cost of the lower trims.
let them be 20K upside down, that is what they get for the "gotta have it now" attitude.
If you spend $70k on a truck to drive to the grocery... You should be under water
@@johnschnedler1753 You don’t understand the demographics of people buying these trucks. $70k is pocket-change to them.
I just bought a new luxury truck. Got the STX package on my XL.
I just bought a CPO 2020 RAM 1500 with 13k miles. It's a Lamarie trim with all the options, with taxes, tag title I paid 62K OTD. Sticker was 54 but Denver Taxes are 8.81%. The Original Window Sticker on the truck was $65k ... prices are becoming more of the Mercedes, BMW, type and people who don't know anything about trucks would be shocked at the prices.
Mercedes are in the six figures now.
Andre i'm really surprised you didn't mention Ford's Pro Power Onboard, since you did a video powering a house. I would say that that is a unique feature. Ford's Interior work surface and zone lighting are also some unique features !
Price's are out of control here in Canada. Most base trucks are $50,000+ in a 4x4 crew.
Yup i just payed $50000 for a custom 3 months ago.
And another 10 000 more for the 2023
I work for a Buick GMC dealership in Northern Colorado and I have the official order bench open. The 3.0 Pieter diesel is available in the Sierra 1500 Denali Ultimate as a discount of $1,500 less than the 6.2 liter V-8 engine.
Wow. 1500 less? How much does GM charge for the upgrade of the 6.2 now. It was 2500 for my 2019…thinking of trading it for the refresh when they finally hit the lots. What’s your thoughts ? Also. When are they hitting the lots ? Lol
This is why I still drive a 2005 truck.
2001 here. I bought it new and I am keeping it for as long as I can. About 240k miles and counting.
You can do that sort of thing if you live in a no salt state
It's all fun and games until your truck payment is $200 less than your mortgage..
Speaker count means nothing - speaker driver count/size means something - wattage doesn't really mean anything - you have to actually listen/test them to know what's best.
What happened to the guy in charge of Toyota's "Kaisin" that makes them so reliable.😄
I work for Toyota that's not what makes them reliable they can barely gets parts on time it's not great
AKG, JBL, Harman Kardon, Bang & Olufsen (automotive), Mark Levinson, dbx etc, are owned by Harman International, which in turns a subsidiary of Samsung. So Samsung pretty much nailed it all.
Pee pee poo poo
Platinum Reserve Titan is by far the best value, only one I would consider. Still won't pay 60k for a vehicle.
Got my 22 Tacoma SR5.. gonna be driving this boy for the next 300k
As someone with kids and dogs, leather is a must. I like to take care of my vehicles and leather is so much easier to clean.
Yes.
Nothing more is needed to be said
I’ll keep riding my 2012 tundra into the ground 😂
03 taco and old ford superduty for me 🤙🏽
Old Frontier here!
Keep driving. That’s too much money. TheTundra will last.
I bought a 2010 raptor new for msrp since a truck to me is just a tool more or less I’m going to keep it till I can’t drive anymore
@@MrGmilton Same….I have a ‘12 Raptor SCrew that I bought new 10 years ago….I’ve kept it in great shape and it runs like a top (although I’ve spent enough on it over the years to keep it that way). But to replace it with a new similar truck, I’d have to spend $100K……ridiculous! I’ll just keep driving it until it doesn’t make sense anymore….
It’s gone so far that a truck that’s 2013ish with 100,000 miles is “new” to me because an actual new one cost more than I’ll ever be able to afford.
I stole a 2017 with 103,000 miles off my buddy. It was spotless. As new as I'll get in a full size for a long time.
@@brentworls8509 even better if you know it was taken care of
Great back and forth. Thank you
Great video Gents. Very interesting conversation
Prices are out of control. It will be interesting to see if the expensive trucks sit on lots for more time compared to the less expensive trucks.
I doubt it. People are either rich or poor. The poor can’t afford a Tundra SR. The rich aren’t going to drive anything less than a Limited. The most in demand will be the highest trims.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q I agree. Don't forget insurance cost also
@@pat2430 Insurance is cheap on something like this because passengers are protected and it has a bunch of safety systems.
Thanks patrons for the ranch.
What is wrong with old tech? It’s usually more dependable,simpler,and cheaper to fix. Examples 5.8 v8,4.9 six Fords oh I forgot the 460 cid. Chevy 454,350.Dodge 440,360 cid. Tech is fine until it breaks. 60 to 90 grand is just crazy. One quarter the price a house. Makes no cents!
I placed my order for a 2022 F150 Lariat on the first day ordering was available. October 1st, 2021. It was built the week of December 13th and arrived at the dealer on 12/26 and I picked it up on 12/27/2021. The 2022 was available on schedule, they just haven't updated the build and price site.
Great show fellas
My first new truck was a 1980 dodge truck customized and it costed $7000. I could have bought a 4wd dodge for $10,000 and a top of the line for a little over $12,000. Truck prices today are ridiculous!
I agree. My first new vehicle purchase of my life was a 1998 Ram 1500 Laramie SLT Quad-cab, 318v8 5sp man 4x4 for $23,000.
in 1980 gas was under a dollar and you coulda bought a 3000 sq ft home for 90k. shhhhhhhh
How do you even compare 1980 prices to now…..
When shows like this make statements like, "well it's getting old" about proven power trains and working features it purpetuates the increased pricing. The need for creature comforts, that are now expectations, are from the idea that 'old', proven, and reliable are negative words in the truck world. Where 'new', 'modern', and 'upgraded' are the ideals of a truck. Who gets shafted are the hard working people who need their vehicle for their livelihood and are priced out by the status symbol buyers.
I have a 2010 truck once I bought it I’m done buying a truck since it’s like a hammer, I don’t need a new hammer as I already have one.
People who want new fancy gizmos have to 💰
I wish Nissan would step it up with the Titan n make it competitive again. My 2019 midnight SV is a great truck but it could be much better
🤔
#1 GMC
#2 Ram
Capstone looks awesome on flim
Love the pod cast
I have a ram and it's so close. I rank these two the highest because of the optional small diesel engines. One mark for GMC is the Denali ultimate because super cruise autopilot tech is not available on ram
The answer will be in sales volume. If they sell well, the price is right.
Toyota had the best priced trucks for the last gen model. The sr5 you could get between 38k‐45k and the platinum for 52k-57k. (MSRP). Now the 22 sr5 cost about 50k! Thats crazy. Glad i got my 21 when i did
Your right that is the reality of it
greed set in everywhere
I just got my 2022 F-150 Tremor. Had to order it last October
Sweet truck. Good luck with it
Car companies get their largest profit margin with pickups !
What Andre is probably referring to during the audio portion is the RMS vs Max wattage.
Hey guys ! Highest wattage with lowest distortion would be the best amp. Years ago I bought a 90 watt denon amp that sounded louder and clearer than 200 watt amps.
The market decides if prices are too high for cars and everything else. Give the people what they want until they tell you otherwise.
Thank you some gets it! Simple basic economics. Also these are suedo luxury like Acura , Lexus, Cadillac and Lincoln to name a few, basic vehicles tarted up with trinkets to sell at much higher profit margins and it’s working perfectly
And judging by how dealer lots are stuffed to the limit with trucks, I'd say the market here in Dallas has spoken.
as long as people continue to pay the prices, they will never come down in price. And these days, people are paying 5,000+ over MSRP and not blinking a eye. So, the people are to blame for the prices.
You nailed it on the head, it’s why dealers have mark downs on vehicles that aren’t selling, do people complain about that? Anyways basic supply and demand in a free market
André. I must agree with you that these trucks are getting way to expensive for the normal person
Unfortunately it's the 'normal' person that's needs an affordable truck. These 'soccer Dad' trucks are ridiculous
@@johnschnedler1753 soccer dad? you are stuck in 1998, lol
They are talking about luxury trucks, not base or mid trim which are still reasonable for an average person, these are just farm equipment trucks with a lot of gizmos added that appeal to a certain type that has money
Can you guys give some attention to the seat massagers? and which very few trucks actually have them?
It appears people have more dollars than sense.
The Ram does have an HUD in its non TRX line. I have a 2022 Ram Longhorn with it and it's awesome!
Hud is a must. I'm a little disappointed with the lane keep feature but everything else is great.
All truck prices have gone too far, yet fools keep buying them (leasing them just to look cool).
Monthly business write off
95% of pickup truck drivers are not going to job sites, driving around high class clients. Lol
The Dilssass's who told you the Mercedes Metris was/is a "Modern" mInivan with the NON=Foldable 120lb 3 row rear seat. Want to break your back? Listen to the Schillers at FLT.
Still think TFL should have a money issue showing the financing of the various sizes and trim levels of trucks.
My 2001 2500hd LS is finally starting to nickel and dime me to the point where I’m hunting a new one now. The recent transfer case replacement, coupled with the tech’s opinion that the planetary gear will break it again, has crushed my confidence in it. I’m now iso 21-22 2500hd before my next relocation, either in march or April. And the ones they have are “in transit”, while the available used ones cost way more than new. Dealers are begging recent buyers to sell them back for, I think, the new price or more. Hence the ‘20-‘21, 1,25K miles, “new enough” trucks on the used market.
Cut out the options so you can keepbit longer.... All of these guys other than Ram are making junk now... I'm a Ford guy and have nothing but problems
Nathan is on fire with his heavy metal and rock and roll! Killswitch engage for me please on those sound systems lol
Haven't watched the video yet, but "yes" is the answer.
Whats surprises me are the big boy trucks specifically the RAM 3500S, Ford F350s, and those hideous 2500 HD GM trucks with the Cadillac being the best of GM. If you could turn them into passenger haulers I bet you could fit up to 9-11 people comfortably
VERY DISAPPOINTED NOT MENTION THE INBOARD POWER INVETER ON THE F150 WITH THE 2.O OR 2.4 AND EVEN THE 7.2
Vehicle prices have definitely gotten out of hand and trucks for sure. It's disgraceful in my opinion..
I can only assume that is a Clockwork Angels shirt on under Nathan’s jacket
At these prices you can get a loaded out 3/4 ton diesel
And diesels cost more $$ per mile to drive also, fuel at .50 more a gallon, DEF, .and $150 oil changes. It’s great if you need to tow heavy
Do what the kids used to do at one time is have radio wars in the parking lot see which one sounds best and loud
Not a luxury truck, but a pretty cool looking EV Pickup: CANOO
If it ever gets made!
its crazy that 1/2 tons are running that much. I paid 65k for a crew ccsb 4wd 22' 3/4 ton cummins basicallly fully loaded bighorn.
Also they are talking about luxury trucks not entry or mid grade so if the purchase is 90% want versus needs then yeah it’s going to cost.
It's over boys, the cost of a new truck is so high that I can only buy used now.... I make over 200,000 per year and with the cost of a home and living expenses, $1500 truck payment is out of the picture in a 2 car family. America 🇺🇸 we are selling ourselves out to the shareholders. They want to get paid more than bank and workers that make the stuff... As you know, can't pay both at the same rate. So with that said, keep your trucks longer and give up Luxury. This year the only full size truck recommended by CP was Ram. All other are spending most of the time and money we give them on recalls and poor materials... TFL is spot on new trucks are for the wealthiest 20% and fools living above their mains. America the rest of us are on hamidowns here on in...
Full-grain leather simply means that the hair is removed and the hide goes immediately into the tanning process. ... The leather has not been sanded or buffed to remove any marks. The entire thickness of the skin is used. Highest quality products like furniture, footwear and luggage tout full grain.
I’d say it’s gone too far when you are knocked out of buying a base truck do to cost. Offer A to Z in options but you only need the basic stuff.
Can't believe you didn't mention Ford's Pro Power Onboard. That puts the F-150 on top for utility. Capstone is nothing but more Toyota marketing hype. The 2022 Tundra is a flop!
They should have named it headstone, its DOA
The TINY power increase of the Toyota hybrid over the Powerboost is outweighed by the lack of a generator option on the Tundra. The Ford is the powertrain winner here, at least among those two.
Far too expensive. The manufacturers are using the high per-unit profits to support other, less profitable or non-profitable model lines. Pickup trucks are the college football football teams whose revenue supports fencing, wrestling, swimming, etc.
The prices of these offerings are disgusting
I just love how Toyota just recently revealed the capstone trim for the tundra its really good looking truck and I really like the new interior
Yea i think a lot of people freaked at the way the front end looked initially but to be honest i like it. The capstone in particular looks great.
I will say the Tundra isn't for me though. I need a truck for hunting, fishing, camping, mild off-roading, and home owner type stuff. The front and rear bumpers on the new Tundra are just not made to go offroad. Again totally fine and looks nice for on road. But they are made of body paneling and will clearly scratch/dent with offroad activity. And the way they designed the bumpers the only way to change them is to cut them off and I'm just not going to do that with a $60k+ vehicle.
These trucks are quite literally half the price of my first 4 bedroom home. Thats ridiculous
There will always be people who are willing to spend too much money for these trucks. The market will build what the market demands. Dream trucks should stay a dream, if you are taking away from your family, and/or real life goals to get one, but living the American dream is alive and well with trucks.
That’s what different trim levels are about, people who can afford these higher trims will buy them pretty simple, not sure what some folks don’t understand about this? It’s like complaining about an Escalade when it’s a tarted up Tahoe, yet people buy them so whatever
The technology is just crazy. People are slamming into cars and everything else while they're trying to figure out how to work the radio in the car and your cell phone. There's going to be a point where these car companies are going to go bust. The people that are buying them at these prices are people that have inherited a lot of money I never had to work for it so they don't care.
Also ram boxes.
We paid $70000 for a GMC Denali. Worst decision ever. High price does not mean quality, constant breakdowns and when out of warranty you had to pay the bank and the dealer. God what a disaster.
What the hell would insurance cost on a 80k pick up!!!!!!
I do think it's silly, here's why. Is the good 'ol Pentistar more engine than 99% of truck owners will ever need? Absolutely. Better on gas, less maintenance, still tows LOTS. But they still buy the Hemi and complain about lifter tick. Saying "I need the hemi my truck is a tool" but may never use the capabilities. I understand "Luxury" and "Tools" generally are opposites. But I would argue most buyers want a truck to do truck things. But want the Luxury, as they never really do truck things. I think the bigger problem is more about reliability. After trucks from something like 2002, you rarely see a truck over 10 years old still on the road. For example, manufacturers will say "We designed the transmission to last the life of the truck". But they don't tell you, is they are the ones to determine what they think that "life" is. And build the truck to last that long, not necessarily longer. Get your tin foil hats ready, it literally is planned obsolescence. You spend $100k on a Porsche, you can more or less keep that car forever, they will support it, and it's potentially worth keeping and spending the money to fix when it breaks down. You spend $100k on a luxury truck, front end goes, transmission falls out, rear-end blows, and it rusts from under you. Disposable. (Obviously if you take good care of it, it can last, as anything can)
The Porsche is the disposable vehicle. It depreciates faster than a stock market crash. Pickup Trucks can be rebuilt and hold value over time.
Why did you not include the Chevy Silverado High Country?
Because its so worthless, it’d be stating the obvious.
So, Andre listens to Beloe Zlato?
10,000% Yes.
These prices are ridiculous.
Your vehicle should never cost more than 15% of your annual income unless you have no mortgage payments. No responsible adult be spending this much on a truck unless it's a work truck used for providing income. Most people unfortunately get 60-70 mo loans and the vehicle is worn out by the time it's paid off. Unless you make 350k in a low cost of living area, you should only be purchasing 7 yr old reliable vehicles at this rate.
If people followed your advice the economy would collapse. Everyone’s situation is different. Vehicles do not depreciate like they used to. You contradicted yourself. You are telling people that cars are worn out after 5-6 years and at the same time telling people to buy 7 year old “reliable” vehicles. Reliability is very subjective and certainly not guaranteed. I guess renters and people who own outright can spend anything they want on a car since they have no mortgage payments.
Let people go broke, it’s the American way😂
Who needs luxury just get the right vehicle and learn how to do the right performance mods. The right vehicles performance is the luxury.
I think you should really be counting total screen area not the sum of screen sizes.
Local dealer has a 2022 f150 Lariat crewmax short bed powerboost listed at $77,215 with a msrp of $73,215. Crazy
Now watch how long it takes for that truck to disappear of the lot. Especially once tax returns hits bank accounts.
Did you buy it😂
@@MrGmilton he'll no, but the salesman keeps emailing me
@@MrGmilton they did drop the price by a grand
@@MrGmilton not yet, letting you but it, go under water, trade it in, then i buy it ….for lot less 😎
I’m not poor and do well. Still would never pay these prices even if I could afford it. Just doesn’t make sense. I don’t understand people
$80-90k for a luxury vehicle, especially one with utility, is a bargain. Trucks depreciate much more slowly than sedans. A $90k truck loses value more slowly than a $50k German luxury sedan.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q if you think paying that much for anything with 4 wheels that sits most of the time is a bargain, you need to have your head examined. Amazing what people think is a good buy. Just amazing.
Rams have heads up display
Umber is a paint color.
I paid 30k for a Ranger and that was too much for a truck, def not paying 50k+
15 years ago trucks were built for people that use trucks the way trucks were intended. Nowadays since they get better mpg, people are buying trucks as just a vehicle and don’t use them as a truck so they want all the luxury items so of course with new technology prices will continue to go up. I’ve owned both a lariat and xlt and my opinion lariat is a waste of money. Also, good luck trying to get a v8 in a half ton in a few years they’ll probably be obsolete.
Longevity is not rams priority with interiors, I see seats ripping and cracking within 3 years of age
High prices will obsolete the new tech/electrification before it gains wide adoption in the market.
You can blame the price of everything to when the dis connect gold from the dollar and that sucks. I bought a brand new CJ5 brand with v8 for 3400 bucked and my step father on the same day bought a Chevy 1/2 ton heavy for 2500 bucks and now they are 80 k are you crazy !!!!!!!!
10 years ago the top price on f150 was 50k
Price for all vehicles are all too high, but battery vehicles and luxury trucks are the most ridiculous
Hey guys just to let you know while the system in the Ram is very the B&O system in the Ford is a better sounding system, I am a D.J. and a professional musician so I know good sound and also I have heard them both
It will get worse, till idiot's stop paying for it.
High country is missing. Chevrolet and GMC need to step up on the 6.2 power to at least 550 pound feet of torque and 500 Horsepower
You failed to mention GMC’s suede roof. This puts the GMC ULTIMATE ahead of ram…also you made no mention of the massaging seats.
Ram has it too
lol theres isnt a nicer truck to drive or be inside than the Ram, it hurts for some brand loyalist I know but its objective fact
Its gone way too far. The msrps of these truck are insane. Gone are the days of gettinf a new affordable work truck thats nice enough to haul the famiky around.
It’s gone too far when the companies can’t sell them end of story really.
Why not a 4.0L twin turbo V8 Ford?!
I don't get why people are complaining about truck being so expensive, its a LUXURY TRUCK, with high end materials and tech. No shit its going to expensive. NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO BUY THE TOP TRIM, they have cheaper trims for work or just dailkt driving. Sure they are more expensive then before, but aren't all cars?
They sell pickup for 1% of us can effort
I own a 2015 Silverado HD LT, I'm gonna buy a new one, Custom trim work truck package, $ 46K plus tax, these auto companies can take their luxury trucks at obscene prices and shove them up there corporate asses , Pure Greed