UPDATE: Extrems has notified me that no configuration of Swiss is required to get the ETH2GC to work. Once you update to the latest version of Swiss, the ETH2GC is ready to go, just plug and play! If you enable Broadband Adapter Emulation by default, it will disable memory card emulation for all games.
@@maciejkobus I was expecting to see this in the list of cons, this video could lead to people getting the adapter thinking it would work with their vanilla Gamecube...
i think a con is that it uses serial port 2. You can't use it with later gamecubes or the panasonic Q, and at the moment not with a sd2sp2. Still great that this exists regardless
Agree, but until they can migrate it elsewhere I'm not going to invest and I feel this may be the case for many others as well who's discs have since died and rely on their backups.
The fact that it doesn't work on a newer Gamecube is not even a real con since those consoles don't even support component video, so no Gamecube enthusiast should/would be using one of those in 2024 anyway.
@@benallen895 I think people do not realize you can get SD card adapter that connects to front memory card slot. It works exactly the same as SD2SP2. It was mentioned in the video.
I was recently given a Gamecube and when I flipped it over and found a Broadband adapter in it I was hyped, then when I found what you can do with it... then the hype went. Still if more people can get online it may actually have some use now. Great to see what the community can do these days.
I've been trying to find a broadband adapter for my purple gamecube, since the broadband adapter can be used on both DOL-100 and DOL-101 consoles. Good thing this came around, or I would have had to hunt down those dang Broadband adapters and such.
Today I was shopping for an ethernet adapter for my GameCube. The price was too much everywhere (~$200). I couldn't justify it. I began to look into home made ethernet adapters and my search found nothing. I gave up, walked away from my computer and got a notification for this video. Couldn't have timed this better.
I bought six BBAs back in the day for as low as 99 cents at GameStop. I've been stalking eBay prices to finish my set of eight and it makes me ill seeing how much they sell for. 😭
Running all your game backups from a NAS is a killer feature. Being able to have resilient data backups of your games is important, and booting them remotely from the console is convenient. I would love to be able to do this on the wii.
There's one BIG con. You can't use an sd2sp2 with it. It's either you have an sd2sp2, or you have network. It would have been better for the project to use the sp1 port, where the original BBA/Modem would have went.
Just use front memory card slot adapter. They cost a few bucks and work exactly the same as SD2SP2. Supporting other ports is difficult because Swiss is running out of available memory.
It's a shame, however I'm going to get a Flippy Drive whenever that becomes available as my SD2SP2 Gamecube can't read the boot disc (or any disc) anymore.
If you've already tried pot tweaking the disc drive, or/and replacing the laser, then it's probably the 3 capacitors on the drive control board @@Dad_Shoes
I kinda wish there was something similar for SP1. SP2 is already heavily used by homebrew projects, plus it makes more sense with the og broadband adapter using SP1.
How insanely talented and awesome is the mod community?! Bless these individuals for their efforts in making these adapters today and for those still operating the servers, you're all fantastic 🙌
I still occasionally play PSO 1&2 online on my Gamecube, so I already have the OG broadband adapter, but I'm delighted there are more options available now.
Nice, what server do you play for online in PSO? I haven't used mine in years, but the broadband adapter still worked last time I used it. Would be nice to try it out again.
@savagej4y241 Schtserv mostly, although I do swap around to others. That is the big advantage with Gamecube PSO. Your save file is offline on the memory card rather than stuck on a specific server.
In the future I would still love an official adapter, but that's not any time soon. $25 saves me about $100 on the adapter lol. There's just so many downsides to this one that make it not the be all end all of GameCube internet.
I used to play a ton of PSO offline back in the day, lot of 4 player co-op with friends, because there was no way I'd pay for the adapter + the official server subscription. Many years later found the adapter for about 50bucks, and have been planning to get my cube online. But alas, I keep procrastinating. This new adapter really brings hope people might start to become interested in populating fan servers, because what I've understood they're fairly desolate right now.
pretty crazy what the gamecube modding community comes up with. love it. i already modded my gamecubel with a gc loader and a sdtosp2 adapter, has a 256gb sd card fully loaded with just about every great game the gamecube has to offer on it. i even put in a 3d printed sd card adapter cd drive cover that is black and has the umbrella logo on it made by laserbear. also has a GCHD MK2 adapter and a Marseille M Classic adapter for the best picture quality possible. definitly one of my favorite console mods ive ever done. i even modded my PS2 with a internal hard drive and a noctua fan it has over 187 games on the hard drive too, also modded my dreamcast to run games from a sd card too. i shell swapped it with a see through green shell and put lights inside it, i have a funtastic green n64 that i made region free and i soft modded my original xbox. the sky really is the limit when it comes to modding consoles.
@@rc_maticFor some it might be just nostalgia. GC might been "shortlived" in comparison of other systems of the generation, but for some people it might been a console that became something special for them, like being their first console. It's also purely a matter of taste, but personally think the GC looks way much better than the bland white block that the Wii is. Also any opportunity to avoid Wii's motion controls, even for just browsing the Wii menu, is a win.
@@wolfsquatch I thought picoboot only worked with the IPL chip. If you're talking about the SD card, a standard picoboot should boot from an SD Gecko without any reconfiguration.
Why didn't they make the adaptor so that it connects to Serial Port 1 (like the official ones) instead of SP2? That way it could be easily used alongside the SD2SP2.
@@romanantonacci4622 That's true I'm working on M.2 adapter. However it's not true I made SP2 version just to make it future compatible with my adapter. Actually we chose SP2 because you can get SD2SP2 Pro and use SP2 breakout PCB to connect ENC28J60 driver with some wires. It's completely solderless option and if you already own SD2SP2 Pro you can just get ENC28J60 module to try it out.
@@TheDOSGamer webhdx here. It's simply not true. There are some limitations in the software that prevents us from using Serial Port 1 for BBA emulation at the moment. Actually it was Extrems' idea to use Serial Port 2. I was totally fine designing the hardware for Serial Port 1 if he would have asked me for it. Keep in mind that the open source design that was meant to be cheap would be at least 2 times more expensive with Serial Port 1 due to complexity of the design to make it sit firmly in the slot.
I can only imagine what can be done with this and Slippi (Melee). There was a way to do online Melee in JP. but now I can see it come to reality with no emulation and with the benefit of slippi on console and CRTs. Excited for this project.
@@FyreWulff I dont know anything about the tecnical terms of rollback, but the reason I made my comment is because I saw a video of "psychoticworm" titled "SSBM 2P Online battle 01" from 2006 playing Meleeonline, so seeing this video remindedme of this, hope it can be done by some programing magic. :)
No problem. The short version is for rollback you need to store copies of the match state in RAM. So every frame, the game is saving a snapshot of the RAM values used by the match. These snapshots are what is actually "rolled back" to when it needs to go back to a known good frame if it guesses wrong. This gets more complex the more variables there are in the match, and Melee is complex due to the fact that it has to track items, stage animations, etc. Modern games can account for this RAM usage, but on GameCube Melee is using pretty much all the RAM. So there's not enough space to put those previous frames to roll back to. Slippi can do it because you have to run it on a PC, and since the GameCube only had 24MB of RAM there's plenty of spare RAM on modern PCs to brute force saving frames to roll back to. @@PERSONALEEMG
@@FyreWulff It might be possible if we were able to use SLOT B for the memory card as a way for more RAM to hold those states without breaking the console.
There was also this old project known as GCARS that loaded in patches to allow a few more games to be played online on an actual GameCube, including Super Smash Bros Melee, Sonic Adventure 2 Battle, and Starfox Assault, Super Monkey Ball 2. I’ve never tried it myself, but I’ve seen videos of it seemingly working. Hopefully, those can be looked into and improved upon with fully modded versions and added in-game connection setup menus.
OMG! This and Flippy drive (WHEN?!) I do a Four Swords set up at one convention I help with, but if I could do a Double Dash setup as an alternative at some point or even at a couple other conventions that Four Swords wasn't popular at, I think people would go nuts for it! I was hoping Flippy drives would be for sale by now, so I could use them for the Gameboy Player at said convention. I Absolutely love the fact that people are still making Game Cubes relevant. And I just joined their discord looking to see if Swiss will work on the flippy drives, and yes! So the potential is awesome!
Yeah, THE big con for me is that this uses Serial Port 2. Some people have DOL-001s that lack Serial Port 2, and DOL-101s pretty much all lack it completely. Meanwhile my SP1 is completely empty and unused, and I have no reason to put an M.2 Loader in there as I have a GC Loader HW2. I'd love a broadband adapter replacement that goes in SP1. I LOVE the concept of expanding GameCube with online support patches though. I could just imagine a sophisticated online matchmaking feature being added to Mario Kart: DD that matches MK Wii's (as opposed to direct connection), for example. Nintendont on the Wii is also capable of emulating the Broadband Adapter support using Wi-Fi, so the overall accessibility of GameCube Online should improve with time.
Can attest, I have a DOL-001 silver Gamecube. Still have digital A/V but no SP2, so no SD cards there, and apparently no homebrew ethernet adapter. I'm doing the flippydrive ODE when it releases so I don't see a point in buying the M.2 loader either. Price point is fantastic, just need it to be available to *everyone* and not just the lucky ones with all the ports to fill.
I still have a broadband adapter that a friend got for me years ago before they got stupid expensive. It's really cool that there is a cost effective replacement now. I'm happy that more people will be able to play around with this and maybe the number of users will grow for PSO and whatever other cool things that can be done. :D
I'm ALL for Retro NAS. Storing all my ROM's and ISO's on a server and not need to add SD card readers to each console. It would be awesome to see this sort of thing on more consoles.
@@ogxboxmike Yes, currently. But he said in the video, they're looking into a faster controller that would be able to, while still keeping the price down.
I saw the price of Dreamcast broadband adapters and have decided to 3D print my own case part to house one that looks nicer than the DreamPi, and then I saw the GameCube broadband adapter prices and now I think it might just be better to rig together my own and hope it doesn't explode lmao. I love these 3rd party products because they help breathe new life into otherwise lost features.
SP2 though. I'm lucky and got a broadband adapter back in the day when I got PSO, but SD2SP2 is how I save my Swiss settings. This isn't for me, but for people who have their GameCube set up similar to me, it's gonna be tough to swallow.
I'm hoping someone comes up with one that doesn't leave an ugly box hanging off the side of the GameCube though. Even if it has to use SP2, I'm hoping for a version that routes the cables out of SP1's hole in the side of the console. That would be super nice, especially when the model that supports SD2SP2 in it comes out in the future.
Honestly speaking, it'd be pretty cool to get this working with the other serial port that the official adaptor used, just to give people more options with how they use Swiss. This would work great with the m.2 adaptor project, but a version that uses the other port for people with the set up like you have for booting Swiss. But the fact it works at all is awesome.
Waiting for the W5500 Ethernet module support so it supports streaming from RetroNAS. The current is 10Mbit but the W5500 is 100Mbit. I love all the work the scene is doing. Extrems and webhdx are very talented.
This is absolutely amazing! I love seeing what the GC community can do, and bringing internet to not only more people but also to games that never had it is absolutely amazing!
Something that would be insane would be using an ESP32 or something to adapt wifi to this, just connect it to a network through an onboard sd card or setup file/application then have it behave just like wired ethernet as far as the console is concerned.
I'm not particularly confident in my own capabilities with soldering and modding and I'm kinda broke, so the fact that i have a newer revision of the DOL-001 which doesnt have the serial port necessary for this mod is a huge blow. Makes me feel like I wasted my time with this particular GameCube being modded, since the convenience of this mod for ripping my own games. I'll have to wait for the M.2 loader to be able to load Swiss and for this project to be able to be utilized via the memory card slot before I can get the whole thing working close to optimally, and even then, it'll look likely far less clean than an original DOL-001 with the full kit. I'm not mad at Extrems or WebHDX or anything here, i just didn't know what was going on with my own GameCube til my friend who did the modding for me showed me what was up with my model. To quote a great show, "That's rough, buddy."
this should use SP1 as that is only used by the official adapter, no need to save it for something else, this would also retain the SD2SP2 functionality
When I think we done everything with the Gamecube...someone just do a brand new mod that awesome ! And this one is a need one, like the GCvideo project ! The Price is great, it does what the real Broadband adapter do but with more "homebrewish" stuff, the only downside imo, it's this ETH2GC use the Serial Port 2 and not the Serial Port 1. So all user that use the SD2SP2 have to found another way to use Swiss. Maybe a Serial Port 1 version can be make later, and I suppose it's also because the community have better knowledge of how the Serial Port 2 work. After saw that, I thinking that a new Broadband adapter can be do for the Dreamcast as a replacement of the Original Broadband adapter that expensive to, but I think the projet need more stuff, to do incompatibility with games that only work with Modem and not with Broadband ! Great video ^_^ !
I think this is single most amazing thing ever for GC, readily available inexpensive hardware, opensource and same developer for SW as well so no issue with "dependencys" :DD
This is a pretty cool idea, but I need the SD2SP2 for my setup, so I probably won't be going for this until they release a version that allows it to function alongside it. Glad to see that the GC modding community is still thriving though!
3:49 - Personally, I wouldn't modify either, and just use some sort of standoff, like washers or pieces of rubber, to make a tiny gap between the GBP and GC.
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In the pros and cons, I believe one con is that render your SD adapter useless, since you have to choose what you will plug in the slot. While you have options to fix the problem, it still requires you to buy more stuff for your GC.
Having learned my lesson by not having the Dreamcast BBA, I snatched a GC one when they were still readily available. Same with the DC Vga cable, so I paid $15 on sale for the GC Component cable when I could. I'd love to see one of these for the Dcreamcast.
Thank you for this. I love it. Hopefully the option for increased speed comes out soon. I would love to be able to run GC ISO's over the network with the ETH2GC. This is the best time to be a GC owner/lover and it's only going to get better.
The cons are that both versions take up space on the *side* of the Gamecube (would be nice to have it on the back). Also that it takes up the SP2 slot so you can’t have an SD card there. But I absolutely LOVE that this is a thing. I have BBA’s for all my Gamecubes and I’ve been missing online support in the homebrew scene. Hoping this will spark a flame on that front😄
Personally, what I would like to see in the near future is video game devs creating their own Gamecube dev kit, so this way they can make more indie/homebrew video games on the gamecube, much like the homebrew scene making fan games on 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th generation consoles (Atari VCS/2600 has some games from the homebrew scene that have been released on the actual console long after the Atari VCS console's been discontinued since 1988/1990.) That's what I would love to see someday without having to use Swiss and go through the headache of hardware modifying my consoles, which I don't have spare ones should something horrible happened.
My biggest con is that it doesn't look like a stock Gamecube anymore and I don't ever buy mods that change the aesthetic for my consoles. I wish they gave an option that would route the RJ45 plug through the broadband section of console so it doesn't ruin the aesthetics.
Sadly, Kirbymini was confirmed the Twilight Princess mod will never support real GameCube, it's Dolphin only. The MKDD mod is pretty awesome though, and surprisingly seems to work better on real GC than on Dolphin, at least in my experience (I have some footage of both in my channel).
@@GoombaNL on dolphin, really depends on the distance and connection quality, there can be a lot of stuttering if conditions aren't the best. on Gamecube it's a lot more stable, i've had intercontinental matches with no stutter. in both cases you can control the input lag by adjusting the buffer. higher buffer means more lag but less stutter.
@@NintendoDuo for GC online what would you say is a comparable dolphin netplay buffer comparison? Or is it legit on par with 2f slippi rollback for example? And thank you for replying :d
@@GoombaNL to be honest I haven't played a lot of Dolphin netplay or slippi so I'm not sure. I doubt it's as good as slippi rollback but it does feel very smooth under good conditions. I usually play with a buffer of 6-8.
I am really tempted to buy a GameCube again after seeing recent addons. I wonder why they didn't use the other port which wasn't occupied by the GameBoy Player but it is what is. Hope we get a new Dreamcast MODEM/LAN adapter too.
I remember buying my broadband adapter at the end of the GCs life to play PSO online... Cost me £7 delivered. This aside, it's is nice to see someone make a cheaper alternative than the prices I've seen for the official one this day and age!
Would love to see a video of what you consider to be the best mods and/or adapters for the gamecube. With how much is out there it's hard to keep track of them all.
Hopefully with more broadband support it’ll make the modding scene push to make a double dash kart settings mod for LAN play(currently you are limited to the choices you can make in LAN mode compared to split screen)
that patch already exists, it was featured in the video by kirbymimi. it’s not just an online mod, it also allows you to select your character and kart before races.
@@cowboyluigi5275 sweeeet! Thanks for replying with that info. Gonna grab that modded version then. It’s been one of the biggest caveats playing LAN for me and my family. Thank youuuu
This is fantastic, but I don't understand why they made this for serial port 2 and not the otherwise unused port the official broadband adapter uses. Is it not possible to access that port via Swiss or something? I would get one of these but my setup revolves around loading games via serial port 2, and I don't want to use a memory card adapter when I don't need to. There's so much to like here otherwise - pointing the cable backwards rather than sideways out of the Gamecube is genius, for example. I just wish it used the broadband port...
The only cons I can think of is that it protrudes out the side and doesn't use Serial Port 1 like the original adapter does. I prefer more of a stock look.
Hello. First thank you for making and sharing another great video. Second, do you know if the new boardband "emulation" of Swiss work with the original boardband adapter? Because I'm one of the few luck people to own one. (And yes, it IS plugged into my GameCube.)
Huge missed opportunity neglecting SP1. It makes no sense to me they would ignore the port the broadbad adapter used and instead leaned on a port already being used on hacked cubes (not to mention SP2 was removed in larer hardware revision).
Thing is, I bought my broadband adapter, and GB player back when they were still pretty cheap. About $15-20 for the GB player complete with the disk and $25-30 for the Broadband adapter. This was in the middle of the PS3/360 era when everyone was pretty much done with the previous generation and focusing on the current Gen, you know that period in all console life spans where most of them end up in landfills and yard sales. I also bought for around $15 the keyboard controller. I'm glad I did because of I had waited prices world have kept me from even considering any of these things.
Mind blown -cheaper online adapter -double dash online without xlink -twilight princess online with a chat I hope slippi gets ported too I want to live In a reality where more gamecube games have online
still have my BBA, it was used for PSO hacking back before GC was fully cracked, nowadays its only use is multi player mario kart with nintedont which also emulates the BBA.
You lost me at "serial port 2". That's where my microSD adapter is. And that also means this doesn't work without hacks. So it's not a very good alternative to the original. Were they not able to make this thing work in serial port 1? I really think they should do that instead.
Broadband adapter to wifi is the obvious next step. Granted you could just plug it into a cheap $5 wifi extender to do the same thing, but an all in one solution would obviously be much better.
I got a pair of Broadband Adaptors in the last year so OF COURSE modders were to make an alternative just after xD You're welcome you all. Now I'll have to consider selling them quickly in case the price comes down... unless I keep them an call it a day. I guess the main argument for keeping them is that esthetically it looks better to have my SD Card in the SP2 slot + a broadband adapter compared to a Gecko in the front + a protruding ethernet Port. Idk, I'm torn.
YES, I've been waiting for a cheaper BBA. Gonna do a RetroNAS setup now. Edit: darn, site says the current driver isnt fast enough for ROM loading over network. Still super awesome
i suppose a Wifi version will come soon. Regarding the cons, there is probably not much that can be done about that but still: it requires a modded Gamecube, it is not a drop-in replacement for the official broadband adapter.
Don't be like me and order the DIY kit and not the Mini ENC28J60 as well. I think it's a bit misleading on the website that you need an extra part. I just received my kit now I have to wait for the ethernet board to arrive. Make sure to place both orders at the same time. @MachoNachoProductions could you please add the link to the Mini ENC28J60 as well as a disclaimer to your description?
This is pretty cool. However, an even cheaper option for anyone that already owns a Wii or Wii U is to use Nintendont, which I understand now emulates the BBA. Also, 8:32 "There is an alpha build of [Twilight Princess multiplayer] available for Patreon supporters." Incoming DMCA in 3, 2, 1... Nintendo has previously taken down multiplayer mods like that (SM64 online), and strongly prioritize projects that receive financial compensation. Patreon paywall shenanigans is exactly what made them pull the trigger on Yuzu.
The one con would be that you can't use the versions of this available right now & load Swiss via a microSD card at the same time. And even then there's a version with a microSD slot in the works so it's something that will be rectified in the future.
I'd like to see a version that uses the serial port 1 slot I'm not a fan of the thing sticking out of the side even if it would work by running a ribbon cable from one slot to the next, at least you won't be able to see the ribbon cable
Why is port 1 not available? I see the maker has a a m.2 project of his own, but for people who use sd2sp2, this is conceded a inconvenience. If there was a way to run this device on port one, id conceded purchasing it.
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UPDATE: Extrems has notified me that no configuration of Swiss is required to get the ETH2GC to work. Once you update to the latest version of Swiss, the ETH2GC is ready to go, just plug and play! If you enable Broadband Adapter Emulation by default, it will disable memory card emulation for all games.
Can I use this adapter if I don’t have swiss on my gamecube? It would be great to be able to use this adapter without modding my gamecube.
Can u lan a gamecube with the eth2gc and a gamecube with the og braodband adapteur?
@@pamendez3 Unfortunately not. Swiss is required but you can use game save exploits if you don't want hard mods.
@@maciejkobus I was expecting to see this in the list of cons, this video could lead to people getting the adapter thinking it would work with their vanilla Gamecube...
The bro making the Zelda mod is gonna get slapped down. As soon as you start taking money (Patreon) for Nintendo's IP, you're fcked.
i think a con is that it uses serial port 2. You can't use it with later gamecubes or the panasonic Q, and at the moment not with a sd2sp2. Still great that this exists regardless
Also if you have a Wii you can just use Nintendont and emulate the broadband adapter over WiFi
Agree, but until they can migrate it elsewhere I'm not going to invest and I feel this may be the case for many others as well who's discs have since died and rely on their backups.
The fact that it doesn't work on a newer Gamecube is not even a real con since those consoles don't even support component video, so no Gamecube enthusiast should/would be using one of those in 2024 anyway.
Just checked my Panasonic q and can confirm it does have the sp2 plug.
@@benallen895 I think people do not realize you can get SD card adapter that connects to front memory card slot. It works exactly the same as SD2SP2. It was mentioned in the video.
I was recently given a Gamecube and when I flipped it over and found a Broadband adapter in it I was hyped, then when I found what you can do with it... then the hype went. Still if more people can get online it may actually have some use now. Great to see what the community can do these days.
Great score!
I've been trying to find a broadband adapter for my purple gamecube, since the broadband adapter can be used on both DOL-100 and DOL-101 consoles.
Good thing this came around, or I would have had to hunt down those dang Broadband adapters and such.
You're rich
Sell it and make one of these
I used to use mine to connect to a private server for PSO Episode 1 and 2. Was good times really
Today I was shopping for an ethernet adapter for my GameCube. The price was too much everywhere (~$200). I couldn't justify it. I began to look into home made ethernet adapters and my search found nothing. I gave up, walked away from my computer and got a notification for this video. Couldn't have timed this better.
I bought six BBAs back in the day for as low as 99 cents at GameStop. I've been stalking eBay prices to finish my set of eight and it makes me ill seeing how much they sell for. 😭
They’re listening lol
Running all your game backups from a NAS is a killer feature. Being able to have resilient data backups of your games is important, and booting them remotely from the console is convenient. I would love to be able to do this on the wii.
Every time I think I've modded the GameCube to the perfect level, he pulls me back in with another mod
Best Saturday morning breakfast watch
There's one BIG con. You can't use an sd2sp2 with it. It's either you have an sd2sp2, or you have network. It would have been better for the project to use the sp1 port, where the original BBA/Modem would have went.
Just use front memory card slot adapter. They cost a few bucks and work exactly the same as SD2SP2. Supporting other ports is difficult because Swiss is running out of available memory.
with the m.2 loader being available at some point that effectively resolves this issue entirely
It's a shame, however I'm going to get a Flippy Drive whenever that becomes available as my SD2SP2 Gamecube can't read the boot disc (or any disc) anymore.
If you've already tried pot tweaking the disc drive, or/and replacing the laser, then it's probably the 3 capacitors on the drive control board @@Dad_Shoes
Oh wah
I didn't know the snack compartment in the Gamecube doubled as a broadband adapter. That's wild.
I kinda wish there was something similar for SP1. SP2 is already heavily used by homebrew projects, plus it makes more sense with the og broadband adapter using SP1.
How insanely talented and awesome is the mod community?! Bless these individuals for their efforts in making these adapters today and for those still operating the servers, you're all fantastic 🙌
I still occasionally play PSO 1&2 online on my Gamecube, so I already have the OG broadband adapter, but I'm delighted there are more options available now.
Nice, what server do you play for online in PSO? I haven't used mine in years, but the broadband adapter still worked last time I used it. Would be nice to try it out again.
@savagej4y241 Schtserv mostly, although I do swap around to others. That is the big advantage with Gamecube PSO. Your save file is offline on the memory card rather than stuck on a specific server.
In the future I would still love an official adapter, but that's not any time soon. $25 saves me about $100 on the adapter lol. There's just so many downsides to this one that make it not the be all end all of GameCube internet.
I used to play a ton of PSO offline back in the day, lot of 4 player co-op with friends, because there was no way I'd pay for the adapter + the official server subscription. Many years later found the adapter for about 50bucks, and have been planning to get my cube online. But alas, I keep procrastinating. This new adapter really brings hope people might start to become interested in populating fan servers, because what I've understood they're fairly desolate right now.
@@wryyyy this is the way.
Great to see more love for the gamecube. Love to do some lan parties. The official adapter are too expensive.
pretty crazy what the gamecube modding community comes up with. love it. i already modded my gamecubel with a gc loader and a sdtosp2 adapter, has a 256gb sd card fully loaded with just about every great game the gamecube has to offer on it. i even put in a 3d printed sd card adapter cd drive cover that is black and has the umbrella logo on it made by laserbear. also has a GCHD MK2 adapter and a Marseille M Classic adapter for the best picture quality possible. definitly one of my favorite console mods ive ever done. i even modded my PS2 with a internal hard drive and a noctua fan it has over 187 games on the hard drive too, also modded my dreamcast to run games from a sd card too. i shell swapped it with a see through green shell and put lights inside it, i have a funtastic green n64 that i made region free and i soft modded my original xbox. the sky really is the limit when it comes to modding consoles.
Benefits over getting a Wii and modding it?
@@rc_maticFor some it might be just nostalgia. GC might been "shortlived" in comparison of other systems of the generation, but for some people it might been a console that became something special for them, like being their first console. It's also purely a matter of taste, but personally think the GC looks way much better than the bland white block that the Wii is. Also any opportunity to avoid Wii's motion controls, even for just browsing the Wii menu, is a win.
One major con: this isn’t usable on DOL 101 models. They don’t have a serial port 2.
Also cubes that use picoboot through sp2
@@wolfsquatch I thought picoboot only worked with the IPL chip. If you're talking about the SD card, a standard picoboot should boot from an SD Gecko without any reconfiguration.
Why didn't they make the adaptor so that it connects to Serial Port 1 (like the official ones) instead of SP2? That way it could be easily used alongside the SD2SP2.
Some people think that the SP1 could be utilized for an SSD when it's available.
Likely because webhdx is developing a m.2 loader in that port.
@@romanantonacci4622 That's true I'm working on M.2 adapter. However it's not true I made SP2 version just to make it future compatible with my adapter. Actually we chose SP2 because you can get SD2SP2 Pro and use SP2 breakout PCB to connect ENC28J60 driver with some wires. It's completely solderless option and if you already own SD2SP2 Pro you can just get ENC28J60 module to try it out.
@@romanantonacci4622 I’m pumped for the M.2 loader to release
@@TheDOSGamer webhdx here. It's simply not true. There are some limitations in the software that prevents us from using Serial Port 1 for BBA emulation at the moment. Actually it was Extrems' idea to use Serial Port 2. I was totally fine designing the hardware for Serial Port 1 if he would have asked me for it. Keep in mind that the open source design that was meant to be cheap would be at least 2 times more expensive with Serial Port 1 due to complexity of the design to make it sit firmly in the slot.
I can only imagine what can be done with this and Slippi (Melee). There was a way to do online Melee in JP. but now I can see it come to reality with no emulation and with the benefit of slippi on console and CRTs.
Excited for this project.
This. I can finally play Slippi on a PVM without a need for changing out my graphics card or buying extra video adapters.
I don't think it's possible to have Slippi on GameCube, since there wouldn't be enough spare memory to hold the rollback states.
@@FyreWulff I dont know anything about the tecnical terms of rollback, but the reason I made my comment is because I saw a video of "psychoticworm" titled "SSBM 2P Online battle 01" from 2006 playing Meleeonline, so seeing this video remindedme of this, hope it can be done by some programing magic. :)
No problem. The short version is for rollback you need to store copies of the match state in RAM. So every frame, the game is saving a snapshot of the RAM values used by the match. These snapshots are what is actually "rolled back" to when it needs to go back to a known good frame if it guesses wrong. This gets more complex the more variables there are in the match, and Melee is complex due to the fact that it has to track items, stage animations, etc. Modern games can account for this RAM usage, but on GameCube Melee is using pretty much all the RAM. So there's not enough space to put those previous frames to roll back to. Slippi can do it because you have to run it on a PC, and since the GameCube only had 24MB of RAM there's plenty of spare RAM on modern PCs to brute force saving frames to roll back to.
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@@FyreWulff It might be possible if we were able to use SLOT B for the memory card as a way for more RAM to hold those states without breaking the console.
this is a helluva project/undertaking. unreal what these two guys have done between the hardware and software side of things
my question is why does this use serial port 2 when the original broadband adapter used serial port 1??????????
There was also this old project known as GCARS that loaded in patches to allow a few more games to be played online on an actual GameCube, including Super Smash Bros Melee, Sonic Adventure 2 Battle, and Starfox Assault, Super Monkey Ball 2. I’ve never tried it myself, but I’ve seen videos of it seemingly working. Hopefully, those can be looked into and improved upon with fully modded versions and added in-game connection setup menus.
OMG! This and Flippy drive (WHEN?!)
I do a Four Swords set up at one convention I help with, but if I could do a Double Dash setup as an alternative at some point or even at a couple other conventions that Four Swords wasn't popular at, I think people would go nuts for it! I was hoping Flippy drives would be for sale by now, so I could use them for the Gameboy Player at said convention. I Absolutely love the fact that people are still making Game Cubes relevant. And I just joined their discord looking to see if Swiss will work on the flippy drives, and yes! So the potential is awesome!
Yeah, THE big con for me is that this uses Serial Port 2. Some people have DOL-001s that lack Serial Port 2, and DOL-101s pretty much all lack it completely. Meanwhile my SP1 is completely empty and unused, and I have no reason to put an M.2 Loader in there as I have a GC Loader HW2. I'd love a broadband adapter replacement that goes in SP1.
I LOVE the concept of expanding GameCube with online support patches though. I could just imagine a sophisticated online matchmaking feature being added to Mario Kart: DD that matches MK Wii's (as opposed to direct connection), for example. Nintendont on the Wii is also capable of emulating the Broadband Adapter support using Wi-Fi, so the overall accessibility of GameCube Online should improve with time.
Can attest, I have a DOL-001 silver Gamecube. Still have digital A/V but no SP2, so no SD cards there, and apparently no homebrew ethernet adapter. I'm doing the flippydrive ODE when it releases so I don't see a point in buying the M.2 loader either. Price point is fantastic, just need it to be available to *everyone* and not just the lucky ones with all the ports to fill.
I still have a broadband adapter that a friend got for me years ago before they got stupid expensive. It's really cool that there is a cost effective replacement now. I'm happy that more people will be able to play around with this and maybe the number of users will grow for PSO and whatever other cool things that can be done. :D
I'm ALL for Retro NAS. Storing all my ROM's and ISO's on a server and not need to add SD card readers to each console. It would be awesome to see this sort of thing on more consoles.
Official site says it doesn't work with RetroNAS, the adapter is to slow apparently.
@@ogxboxmike Yes, currently. But he said in the video, they're looking into a faster controller that would be able to, while still keeping the price down.
I'm excitedly waiting for custom Kirby Air Ride servers.
I saw the price of Dreamcast broadband adapters and have decided to 3D print my own case part to house one that looks nicer than the DreamPi, and then I saw the GameCube broadband adapter prices and now I think it might just be better to rig together my own and hope it doesn't explode lmao.
I love these 3rd party products because they help breathe new life into otherwise lost features.
The GC modding community is amazing. Their love for the GC and the desire to spread that love is unmatched
Just the thought of online Double Dash has me salivating!
SP2 though. I'm lucky and got a broadband adapter back in the day when I got PSO, but SD2SP2 is how I save my Swiss settings. This isn't for me, but for people who have their GameCube set up similar to me, it's gonna be tough to swallow.
This can be used to have Swiss on in place of SD2SP2. I own one and it works just fine
I'm hoping someone comes up with one that doesn't leave an ugly box hanging off the side of the GameCube though. Even if it has to use SP2, I'm hoping for a version that routes the cables out of SP1's hole in the side of the console. That would be super nice, especially when the model that supports SD2SP2 in it comes out in the future.
@@NottJoeyOfficial isnt this the guy that mad the m.2 loader on sp1?
The quality of your videos never ceases to amaze me. Seriously.
Honestly speaking, it'd be pretty cool to get this working with the other serial port that the official adaptor used, just to give people more options with how they use Swiss. This would work great with the m.2 adaptor project, but a version that uses the other port for people with the set up like you have for booting Swiss. But the fact it works at all is awesome.
About time. I hope a Serial Port 1 version is made. That or one that can also load microsd cards.
Waiting for the W5500 Ethernet module support so it supports streaming from RetroNAS. The current is 10Mbit but the W5500 is 100Mbit. I love all the work the scene is doing. Extrems and webhdx are very talented.
This is absolutely amazing! I love seeing what the GC community can do, and bringing internet to not only more people but also to games that never had it is absolutely amazing!
Something that would be insane would be using an ESP32 or something to adapt wifi to this, just connect it to a network through an onboard sd card or setup file/application then have it behave just like wired ethernet as far as the console is concerned.
Agreed, if nobody is able to make that happen, you can achieve the same thing with a cheap $5 wifi extender or mesh network pod with an ethernet port.
I'm not particularly confident in my own capabilities with soldering and modding and I'm kinda broke, so the fact that i have a newer revision of the DOL-001 which doesnt have the serial port necessary for this mod is a huge blow. Makes me feel like I wasted my time with this particular GameCube being modded, since the convenience of this mod for ripping my own games. I'll have to wait for the M.2 loader to be able to load Swiss and for this project to be able to be utilized via the memory card slot before I can get the whole thing working close to optimally, and even then, it'll look likely far less clean than an original DOL-001 with the full kit.
I'm not mad at Extrems or WebHDX or anything here, i just didn't know what was going on with my own GameCube til my friend who did the modding for me showed me what was up with my model. To quote a great show, "That's rough, buddy."
I’ve been desperately hoping for one of these to use with RetroNAS for ages. I guess I’ll have to wait just a little bit longer.
Tito’s music is the best. So chill
this should use SP1 as that is only used by the official adapter, no need to save it for something else, this would also retain the SD2SP2 functionality
Will definitely wait for sd2sp2 built in to the broadband adapter
This would have been lit back in the Day.
Total agree. But I would needed to own first 😂
The loss of loading sd cards over sp2 is a huge con.
When I think we done everything with the Gamecube...someone just do a brand new mod that awesome !
And this one is a need one, like the GCvideo project ! The Price is great, it does what the real Broadband adapter do but with more "homebrewish" stuff, the only downside imo, it's this ETH2GC use the Serial Port 2 and not the Serial Port 1. So all user that use the SD2SP2 have to found another way to use Swiss.
Maybe a Serial Port 1 version can be make later, and I suppose it's also because the community have better knowledge of how the Serial Port 2 work.
After saw that, I thinking that a new Broadband adapter can be do for the Dreamcast as a replacement of the Original Broadband adapter that expensive to, but I think the projet need more stuff, to do incompatibility with games that only work with Modem and not with Broadband !
Great video ^_^ !
Great to have affordable BBA solution for Gamecube and Dreampi for Dreamcast and Saturn.
Crazy coincidence, yesterday I was looking up alternatives for the official broadband adapter
I think this is single most amazing thing ever for GC, readily available inexpensive hardware, opensource and same developer for SW as well so no issue with "dependencys" :DD
This guy knows more about me than Google. I was literally looking for a 3rd party one the other day!
This is a pretty cool idea, but I need the SD2SP2 for my setup, so I probably won't be going for this until they release a version that allows it to function alongside it. Glad to see that the GC modding community is still thriving though!
Whoever works on the swiss team do some of the finest work like this I've ever seen.
3:49 - Personally, I wouldn't modify either, and just use some sort of standoff, like washers or pieces of rubber, to make a tiny gap between the GBP and GC.
My neighbors name is Domingo Gonzales, Tito for short. Everytime I see a video of macho nacho, I remember my neighbor, and everytime I say hi to my neighbor, I remember this channel.😅😅😅
Nice!!
Oh friggin' finally.
More people can set up local Double Dash meets.
Imagine a tourney with gamecube lan setups.
I always wanted to try this when I first learned the Gamecube had LAN support.
@@Ikronix007 yeah, all like, 4 games that support it lol.
@@LaskyLabs even the I bet it would be a good time.
@@Ikronix007 100% would be fun. But damn, it won't be cheap or easy.
Not that everything worth having is always either or.
@@LaskyLabs very true, indeed.
This kind or stuff is just so rad man... GC Component cables come along, then this 😍
In the pros and cons, I believe one con is that render your SD adapter useless, since you have to choose what you will plug in the slot. While you have options to fix the problem, it still requires you to buy more stuff for your GC.
This is perfect for the upcoming M.2 Loader. Fantastic work WebHDX and Extrems, and great coverage Tito!
Having learned my lesson by not having the Dreamcast BBA, I snatched a GC one when they were still readily available. Same with the DC Vga cable, so I paid $15 on sale for the GC Component cable when I could.
I'd love to see one of these for the Dcreamcast.
Kirby’s air ride was a childhood staple of mine. If only me and the other neighborhood kids knew it was possible to play over LAN
Watching Macho Nacho Productions is pretty much therapeutic.
Thank you for this. I love it. Hopefully the option for increased speed comes out soon. I would love to be able to run GC ISO's over the network with the ETH2GC. This is the best time to be a GC owner/lover and it's only going to get better.
This is huge, the future for online gamecube is bright, definitely getting one of these when they get developed further
The cons are that both versions take up space on the *side* of the Gamecube (would be nice to have it on the back).
Also that it takes up the SP2 slot so you can’t have an SD card there. But I absolutely LOVE that this is a thing. I have BBA’s for all my Gamecubes and I’ve been missing online support in the homebrew scene. Hoping this will spark a flame on that front😄
12:55 the fact that you can't use the current version without giving up your sd2sp is kinda a big con for me
Personally, what I would like to see in the near future is video game devs creating their own Gamecube dev kit, so this way they can make more indie/homebrew video games on the gamecube, much like the homebrew scene making fan games on 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th generation consoles (Atari VCS/2600 has some games from the homebrew scene that have been released on the actual console long after the Atari VCS console's been discontinued since 1988/1990.) That's what I would love to see someday without having to use Swiss and go through the headache of hardware modifying my consoles, which I don't have spare ones should something horrible happened.
My biggest con is that it doesn't look like a stock Gamecube anymore and I don't ever buy mods that change the aesthetic for my consoles. I wish they gave an option that would route the RJ45 plug through the broadband section of console so it doesn't ruin the aesthetics.
Just ordered mine! Can't wait to add this onto my modded GameCube
I have a GC broadband adapter and the keyboard controller they made for PSO. Playing online was so fun back then.
Sadly, Kirbymini was confirmed the Twilight Princess mod will never support real GameCube, it's Dolphin only. The MKDD mod is pretty awesome though, and surprisingly seems to work better on real GC than on Dolphin, at least in my experience (I have some footage of both in my channel).
Is there any input lag or frame stuttering while playing for mkdd?
@@GoombaNL on dolphin, really depends on the distance and connection quality, there can be a lot of stuttering if conditions aren't the best. on Gamecube it's a lot more stable, i've had intercontinental matches with no stutter. in both cases you can control the input lag by adjusting the buffer. higher buffer means more lag but less stutter.
@@NintendoDuo for GC online what would you say is a comparable dolphin netplay buffer comparison? Or is it legit on par with 2f slippi rollback for example? And thank you for replying :d
@@GoombaNL to be honest I haven't played a lot of Dolphin netplay or slippi so I'm not sure. I doubt it's as good as slippi rollback but it does feel very smooth under good conditions. I usually play with a buffer of 6-8.
Very cool! It was good to see you in MJR's latest video. 💯👍🔥
I am really tempted to buy a GameCube again after seeing recent addons.
I wonder why they didn't use the other port which wasn't occupied by the GameBoy Player but it is what is.
Hope we get a new Dreamcast MODEM/LAN adapter too.
So many amazing mods for the gamecube! Bout to dust the 2003 off of mine and wax it with some 2024
Usings titos guides of course!
Great video!
I remember buying my broadband adapter at the end of the GCs life to play PSO online... Cost me £7 delivered. This aside, it's is nice to see someone make a cheaper alternative than the prices I've seen for the official one this day and age!
It would be impressive if we eventually got F-Zero GX to get online support. The fans do what Nintendon't.
Would love to see a video of what you consider to be the best mods and/or adapters for the gamecube. With how much is out there it's hard to keep track of them all.
Dang, I didn't realize the BBA was that expensive! I've had one for ages to netboot homenrew back in the day. We've come so far!
mind blown every video! unbelievable. keep up the amazing work!
Hopefully with more broadband support it’ll make the modding scene push to make a double dash kart settings mod for LAN play(currently you are limited to the choices you can make in LAN mode compared to split screen)
that patch already exists, it was featured in the video by kirbymimi. it’s not just an online mod, it also allows you to select your character and kart before races.
@@cowboyluigi5275 sweeeet! Thanks for replying with that info. Gonna grab that modded version then. It’s been one of the biggest caveats playing LAN for me and my family. Thank youuuu
Wahooo let's have some MGOTS! Ever since first played MGS I always dreamed how funny even splitscreen would be
This is fantastic, but I don't understand why they made this for serial port 2 and not the otherwise unused port the official broadband adapter uses. Is it not possible to access that port via Swiss or something? I would get one of these but my setup revolves around loading games via serial port 2, and I don't want to use a memory card adapter when I don't need to. There's so much to like here otherwise - pointing the cable backwards rather than sideways out of the Gamecube is genius, for example. I just wish it used the broadband port...
The only cons I can think of is that it protrudes out the side and doesn't use Serial Port 1 like the original adapter does. I prefer more of a stock look.
great video as always, btw i think a con is the fact that you have throw away the sp2sd if you have one already...
Hello.
First thank you for making and sharing another great video.
Second, do you know if the new boardband "emulation" of Swiss work with the original boardband adapter? Because I'm one of the few luck people to own one. (And yes, it IS plugged into my GameCube.)
Huge missed opportunity neglecting SP1. It makes no sense to me they would ignore the port the broadbad adapter used and instead leaned on a port already being used on hacked cubes (not to mention SP2 was removed in larer hardware revision).
Thing is, I bought my broadband adapter, and GB player back when they were still pretty cheap. About $15-20 for the GB player complete with the disk and $25-30 for the Broadband adapter. This was in the middle of the PS3/360 era when everyone was pretty much done with the previous generation and focusing on the current Gen, you know that period in all console life spans where most of them end up in landfills and yard sales. I also bought for around $15 the keyboard controller. I'm glad I did because of I had waited prices world have kept me from even considering any of these things.
Mind blown
-cheaper online adapter
-double dash online without xlink
-twilight princess online with a chat
I hope slippi gets ported too
I want to live In a reality where more gamecube games have online
still have my BBA, it was used for PSO hacking back before GC was fully cracked, nowadays its only use is multi player mario kart with nintedont which also emulates the BBA.
You lost me at "serial port 2". That's where my microSD adapter is. And that also means this doesn't work without hacks. So it's not a very good alternative to the original. Were they not able to make this thing work in serial port 1? I really think they should do that instead.
Broadband adapter to wifi is the obvious next step. Granted you could just plug it into a cheap $5 wifi extender to do the same thing, but an all in one solution would obviously be much better.
I got a pair of Broadband Adaptors in the last year so OF COURSE modders were to make an alternative just after xD
You're welcome you all.
Now I'll have to consider selling them quickly in case the price comes down... unless I keep them an call it a day. I guess the main argument for keeping them is that esthetically it looks better to have my SD Card in the SP2 slot + a broadband adapter compared to a Gecko in the front + a protruding ethernet Port. Idk, I'm torn.
Would be cool if Dolphin emulation was cross playable with native GC gaming so the online world of retro gaming could live on until the end if time.
I thought it was (but I never tried). On Linux you can bridge a tap device to a hardware NIC.
YES, I've been waiting for a cheaper BBA. Gonna do a RetroNAS setup now. Edit: darn, site says the current driver isnt fast enough for ROM loading over network. Still super awesome
Hi Tito. Great video, it's nice to learn something new.
i suppose a Wifi version will come soon. Regarding the cons, there is probably not much that can be done about that but still: it requires a modded Gamecube, it is not a drop-in replacement for the official broadband adapter.
Awesome to see this come to market. I hope to see a Dreamcast version in the future.
That orange GC is sickkk
Don't be like me and order the DIY kit and not the Mini ENC28J60 as well. I think it's a bit misleading on the website that you need an extra part. I just received my kit now I have to wait for the ethernet board to arrive. Make sure to place both orders at the same time. @MachoNachoProductions could you please add the link to the Mini ENC28J60 as well as a disclaimer to your description?
This is pretty cool. However, an even cheaper option for anyone that already owns a Wii or Wii U is to use Nintendont, which I understand now emulates the BBA.
Also, 8:32 "There is an alpha build of [Twilight Princess multiplayer] available for Patreon supporters."
Incoming DMCA in 3, 2, 1... Nintendo has previously taken down multiplayer mods like that (SM64 online), and strongly prioritize projects that receive financial compensation. Patreon paywall shenanigans is exactly what made them pull the trigger on Yuzu.
The one con would be that you can't use the versions of this available right now & load Swiss via a microSD card at the same time. And even then there's a version with a microSD slot in the works so it's something that will be rectified in the future.
I'd like to see a version that uses the serial port 1 slot
I'm not a fan of the thing sticking out of the side
even if it would work by running a ribbon cable from one slot to the next, at least you won't be able to see the ribbon cable
I think we need a new ultimate GameCube video
Why is port 1 not available? I see the maker has a a m.2 project of his own, but for people who use sd2sp2, this is conceded a inconvenience. If there was a way to run this device on port one, id conceded purchasing it.
So cool to see new tech for retro even though I don't have one :)