The ship Corleys saw was The Sunchaser Captained by Alys Westhill who stole three dragon eggs and sold them so she could build The Sunchaser and voyage to see what laid West. She actually talked two grandsons on the Lord of The Hightower to go with her.
Are you referring to Elissa Farman? I have no idea who the character you're describing is, but I know that Elissa was the one who did all that. Edit: nevermind that was a alias she used.
@@allanaalberto9730 Alys Westhill's was Elissa Farman's pseudonym. She couldn't go by her real name after stealing the dragon eggs from Rhaena Targaryen.
I Honestly wish they were willing to Keep the Iconic Turquoise Color that is associated with House Velaryon in the show like it is in the books. The colors help distinguish Faction Loyalty and allegiance just by the symbols on the breastplate.
I always wondered why they omitted such a powerful house from game of thrones. You would think Daenerys would have called upon them when she landed on dragonstone, driftmark is very close by and they are technically family. It's just weird.
I think they're significantly less powerful by got. And the current lord is a little boy. Tbh I think It’s just a necessary decision to cut a lot of smaller houses. The showrunners barely managed a coherent story with the main houses after all
It's rather annoying that we never saw any real naval prowess in the first season of HotD. I know it took us awhile to see the Greyjoys in GoT, but I did expect some of Corlys's ability in the battles with the Triarchy.
Hopefully he becomes a fan favorite, because the sea snake prequel prequel would be extremely interesting and open up alot more of the fantastical parts of the world to the mainstream audience
I like his dark skin, it gives him a badass pirate look. It’s also works in a contexts of the show as his family members are easy to identify and even translates the whole bastard art really well. This cast also allows new opportunities to several new black actors which Hollywood lacks.
@@MrYounis26 So why are the sons of Rhaenys and Corlys mulattoes? In the original work the only black people live on the Summer Isles, the black Velaryons was just an ingenious marketing choice.
The show has a king “Orlys II.” There’s no way this could possibly work with the book lore. It has its own continuity. It is known. I just want to know if they’ll ever address what happened to House Velaryon.
Lord Monford Velaryon died in the battle of the blackwater after supporting stannis, Monford is succeeded by his six-year-old son, Monterys and house velarion stayed loyal to stannis after the defeat at blackwater
@@p0tanscimm Oh, we don't really know but I imagine they were just a family without the ability to control dragons that instead of be forever servile to the dragon lord families fled to Westeros before the doom, and then ended up under another dragon lord family lol
Corlys Velaryon and Alyn Velaryon are probably my two favorite characters. I would love a book about either of their travels... after Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring though. And Fire and Blood Part 2. And some more Dunc and Egg. Yeah damnit we're never getting a Velaryon adventure book.
Trying not to be a dick here, but I don't think Martin will live that long. I'm seriously questioning if we are going to see "A Dream of Spring" at all, with his incredible weight and age It's a miracle that the guy is still standing.
It still doesn't make sense for a valyrian family to be black but my god the actor did such a great job portraying corlys. He dominated every scene he was in. Never doubt HBO on their choice of the cast
Yeah me too it hurts my eyes but I have learned to tolerate it with great difficulty because Steve Toussaint ( talented as he maybe) just sticks out like a sore thumb
@@strongsuccessfulweeb1400 still havent watched it because of this casting. Race is super important to hollywood and god forbird they let the works of tolkien (and martin) be as the authors intended it.
@@strongsuccessfulweeb1400 I don't think its a lore change. I hated it and for the longest time refused to watch the show because of it, but honestly it was needed. Hear me out, there is no way the average viewer would be able to differentiate who is who especially with all the time skips. There is so many people, so fast, that we only get to see for so little. Even now I had a little bit of trouble but if they weren't black boy it'd be hard... If its a straight lore change BS like there actually being black Valyrians or somehow they interbred with summer islanders or something me and my large group of ASOIAF supporters are done.
@@Jose-gc3xt i hear you. They could however use family crests in their outfits , a sea horse, in this case to differentiate the Targaryens and Velaryons. But i guess they are too lazy for that.
Being a captain may not be as cool as a dragon rider, but when you command a fleet of 9 massive ships you designed yourself... Pretty cool. Corlys is cooler than most dragon riders because of what he did.
@@lorddaquanofhouserastafari4177 Alot of History is definitely made up. History is written by the Victors. That's actuality the brutal truth. Things may have happened. But details are not always true . The details is what I am saying are made up.
Were there any natives living on the thousand islands? And if there were, did they have any distinctive garb they wore? Perhaps one might prefer this question be phrased such as a curiosity of distinct Thousand Island dressing? Lol
It makes perfect sense for Corlys to be black, considering we know nothing about his mother’s ancestry and the family literally sailed the oceans for generations creating numerous opportunities to incorporate non- Valyrian DNA into their genetic makeup
Agree completely but i couldn't give a crap if he's black regardless, valyrian history could have been set in stone but he min I knew it was Steve toussaint bringing him to life I was adamant that he was going to nail this role regardless of his looks and he has. For me, he is the sea snake now and everytime I imagine corlys in happy to imagine him just as he is in the show.
Exactly. The Summer Islanders are very dark, black skinned. And they're sea traders. It's perfectly natural for his mother to be from the same land. And in the books, discussing skin color isn't really tainted by negative feelings or prejudice. It's just a descriptive feature. When I first saw Corlys in the show, I just thought, oh yeah, I guess that's entirely possible. And it's so cool to see with the silver hair. His children are absolutely gorgeous, and possibly the most decent and strong-willed characters in the show. Corlys became my favorite very quickly.
There is literally nothing wrong with having a story where everyone is the same race, and if you say that you disagree, then you must be ok with a story set in sub-Saharan African 800 AD there must be racial diversity in the cast with about 50% white people. If it makes sense for the story then sure, any other races can be apart of any story, but forcing it in for the sake of it is very bad writing, especially when we are talking about stories that are not set a modern day, open-minded, western city.
That example is different context. No one is saying a story can’t have one type of skin color, but this isn’t a true story, it’s fantasy, not to mention there sailors, so if you can’t imagine a white sailor smashing a black chick or brown chick you have no business reading or watching fantasy. Not to mention they do this all the time when making book to movies, also George, the actual creator of these stories has a contract with HBO to work on this project so if he don’t care no one should. And if you do you should check deep down why it bothers you..
@@thegamerboneless2864 First of all, if you know anything about how George Martin is you'd know that his creative decisions are frequently being ignored and is slowly being pushed out of his own work, so if the studio could just make an executive decision and tell him to screw off, the ending of GOT is a great example. George is just happy that he's getting money, but he's too old to care if they butcher his material any more. There's also the elephant in the room that making specifically Corlys black makes less sense than almost anyone else, cause there's a sub plot that Corlys might be the father of some of Rhaenyra's children, but if he's black then it would be pretty freakin obvious if he was involved in their conception wouldn't it. Also, and this is just reality talking here, he's the kind of black that is from a super sunny region like Africa, with no mixing of his genetics whatsoever. If a Velaryon hooked up with a random black chick, (and I don't think that would even be allowed considering how big the Valyrians are about genetics) then he would be heavily mixed, unless all of the Velaryons all changed their race at the same moment. Also if there were black people on that corner of Westeros then the genetic mix up of that region would look at least a bit different considering that the Velaryons are said to have mixed with other noble families aside from the Targaryens. And on top of that, if that were all somehow true then the makeup of the Targaryens of the current story like Dany and Jon would look quite different wouldn't they, as in not as white as snow. And lastly, I will politely say screw you for trying to paint some sort of internalized racism to my points when you clearly don't have any. I do not take the excuse of "lol its a fantasy so whatever" seriously, especially in a story that use to care about having an extremely consistent world. Do not make excuses for bad writing.
@@zachpulido5972 ok that’s extremely long, which is ok, I just didn’t have time to totally read, I would say that GOT ran out of source material and also George was long gone from GOT I think after the first or second season. As far as the rules they had about genetic mixing I would say this there sailors and rules are meant to be broken, also I’m mixed black, Irish and German, me and my older sister look Spanish, my little brother and sister are twins and she’s blonde hair green eyes, couldn’t tell she has any black in her. My cousin is mixed as well, his father is light skinned green eyes, his mom is Irish, and he is dark with green eyes, so the color of your skin can come out differently when having mixed family, him being dark don’t mean his kids would be dark. I also go back to it’s fantasy it’s not that serious, we’re people act like it’s the end of the world. I also read that George is highly protective of his work, and I doubt he would say he is ok with it if he wasn’t, just like he wasn’t happy with the GOT ending. I didn’t say or imply you are racist, I think that word is being thrown around way to much just cause folks disagree. But I do think people should take a look at why this bothers them, since all of it is a made up story, there not changing facts of a true historical event. I’ll read your reply again see if I missed anything, and give reply if I did later.
@@thegamerboneless2864 *sigh* ok. So basically all you have to say is “if I write the story for the writer, anything is possible.” You and moon on dp are doing nothing but making excuses. I have no idea why you responded without even bothering to read my comment, that’s just bizarre, doesn’t sound very intuitive. Why would you make a reference to your modern day, racially mixed family when we are talking about Westeros, a nation that is much like medieval Britain where there was not a lot of racial mixing simply due to the fact that there were basically no other races there. And as if the Valerians family was so racially mixed that their kids could come out as any color of the rainbow when all the other families that live in that area, the families that the Valyrions breed with, are all the same race. Also, race is not just in skin color, it is in facial features and height, you want me to believe that none of those traits would have made it into Dany and John? Heck if you look at racially mixed families, even just one ancestor that is a different race to the rest will change their facial structure for the next several generations, and the Targyrians have been breeding with the Valyrions for generations. No the Valerians would not be cool with their family hooking up with some random person from the other side of the world, cause one, the Valerian culture is supportive of selective breeding so they would have to be very careful who they let in, two the other families of Westeros likely are pretty racist as well so why would they be open to marry their kin to someone who is basically an alien to them. Also I love when people give a bunch of reasons why they think something makes sense, then end it with “it’s just a fictional story so who cares, why do you care so much aren’t you wasting your time?” So it’s either something you care about and you are trying to defend the decision, or it’s not important and you’re waiting your own time by your own definition. If your going to make an argument for something, don’t then immediately say that making arguments is meaning less and that you don’t care.
While the blackwashing isn't certainly a dealbreaker, I am a bit miffed about it. The showrunners are basically saying THEY write the rules on what is an already-established internally-consistent fantasy series. It's the same feeling I got when GOT started careening off the rails post-S5. Or when Peter Jackson did that stupid elf-dwarf love triangle in the Hobbit. The showmakers don't care about making a faithful adaptation, they just want shock factor & easy morality points.
@@nikdik154 2 words: J.K. Rowling. Just because the author was involved as a "consultant" & was being made a mouthpiece to endorse the producer's changes doesn't make the thing automatically canon. Remember how much flak Rowling got when she tried retconning shit in HP? Remember the backlash from Cursed Child? Rowling was supposedly a writer on the 2nd Fantastic Beasts movie & the fanbase basically burned her for the internal consistencies she tried to retcon in the lore she herself was the author of.
@@cyberhikikomori5326 Except George actually stated he was fine with him being black and actually regretted not having more black inclusion in the books, which I agree on. I don't think him being black is a deal breaker especially if it draws more people in.
“Blackwashing” 🤣 well served you people right for white people playing non white characters or even wearing blk face just to keep “certain people” out of the spot light. You’ll be ok. We’ve been dealing your peoples crap for centuries. Now it’s time you deal with ours.
So, In House of the Dragon Corlys Velaryon is played by a black actor, which to preface I have no problem with them changing the characters race, but I do worry about some of the unintended consequences this could have on the cannon. And it could also lead to some actors on the show being cancelled. Anyway… here is a breakdown of the early Targaryens race. (This is made with the assumption that the Velaryons are all black which I think is what the show is going for) Aegon I is half Velaryon, making him 1/2 black. His son Aenys I would also be half black (due to the fact that Queen Rhaynes would also be 1/2 black) Aenys married a Velaryon, meaning his son Jaehaerys I would be 3/4 black, Jaehaerys I married his sister Alysanne. This would make their son Baelon 3/4 black, and his sons Viserys I and Daemon would both be 3/4 black. A brief aside, in the show Daemon will be portrayed by Matt Smith who is white, this could cause some problems. Anyway, Viserys’ kids (all by white mothers) Rhaynera, Aegon, Aemond, and Daeron will all be appearing in the show and they are played by white actors despite the fact that these characters are 3/8 black according to the show’s lore.
Your theory doesn't make sense for their world. Its a fantasy world and genes dont work the same way they do in ours. Also being part black doesn't mean someone will look the part. I have a friend who is a quarter black and it doesnt show, at all. Also the concept of being part anything doesnt matter in their world. The family name is more important. This is most obviously displayed by joffrey, who is referred to as a baratheon even though he clearly looks nothing like one. In our world this matter, as in slave times even being part black means you were still seen as subhuman, and in their world the concept doesnt apply and your skin color doesnt have much at all to do with your treatment, your family name, high or low birth, and wealth do. Your applying thinking from our own world just because you visually see black people in a show that has flying dragons, manticores, magic, and other things that should be much stranger than just a persons skin. No one is getting canceled for fucks sake.
@@chillazaraka my theory has nothing to do with their treatment in universe, I’m simply displaying the consequences of the decision and the effects it has on the characters.
Honestly, I'm not sold on the casting of Corlys (as is the case with Rhaenyra), but my only hope is that they make him work in the show. Only the books are canon, but this has the potential to be a great show.
The issue is they're forcing the black casting as woke points for this generation. It's ridiculous, very much how in the witcher Netflix series they did the same with multiple characters, resident evil Jill valentine is now black also. It is out of hand and TBH my biggest problem with it personally is it doesn't follow the source material whatsoever, he isn't black in the books so don't do it for the show plain and simple
@@restitvtor6398 funnily enough, it is stated Rhaynera put on more weight in her later years due to a mix of her eating habits and her multiple pregnancies.
@@samuelwolch1302 ikr. She was already really fat at the beginning of the dance, and I don't want the showrunners to make her into some perfect little saviour characters with no flaws, inside and out. I want her to be an accurate depiction of the book character, basically proto-Cersei that is
Didn’t know too much about this character, but because of your content and information I think he’ll be my favorite characters or one of them. As far as him being black as long as they keep to the history of him and his family and keep to his story I’m all right with it. Maybe throw in some purple contacts for his eyes. Lol thanks again for your great videos and info.
but they CANT keep to the history because of his race. they should have made this actor a different character. NOBODY cares about "poc's" being in GoT, theres many and more in the books, but you cant have Valyrians, described as "pale skinned, with silvery-gold hair, and purple eyes" portrayed by dark skinned actors, particularly when the plotline involves accusations of infidelity and parentage in that bloodline.
@@MyUserTubeAccount You have some good points. But that’s the world we live in now. All I’m saying is hopefully they can keep to his backstory as close as possible. Maybe with some creative writing. Lol
@@ciscoduncan1490 well thanks for the reasonable response, thats increasingly rare nowadays! as far as creative writing, since D&D arent involved, really it can only be better 😂
I'm gonna be 100% honest, when they revealed the Velaryons in the HOTD trailer, I was never upset, but very much on the contrary, I was actually super stoked to see the Velaryons, and I think it's super cool that the Velaryons were gonna be played by black actors
The Targaryens were a lower house of Valyria yet they still had dragons. I imagine House velaryon was even lower than them considering they had NO dragons. Plus they had been in Westeros for longer and considering they work in the sea I don’t doubt that before Aegon decided to take the seven kingdoms they may have mixed with others that didn’t share Valyrian descent. The Targaryens were obsessed with keeping their specific line pure because of the dragons, before the intermarriages the velaryons would have no such worries. The main Valyrian features are the eyes and the hair, their pale skin could be varied between classes, as it was in real history with royals accentuating their pale skin and visible blue veins to differentiate themselves from the tan working class. If he’s in ships for most of his life he ISNT going to be pale, my father works in ships and he’s most definitely not pale. Chill
The targaryens were a manor dragonlord family but they were strong they were part of the 40 ruiling familys in valyria (dragonlords) house valerion wasn't
Just because someone has dark skin doesn't automatically mean they will have big noses and thick lips. Sub Saharan Africans are distinct from North Africans who are more Caucasian in appearance. It's only racist Western leftists who claim all dark skinned people are the same, so we see their uneducated ideas and ignorance in their play screens, while acting smug with righteousness.
In the dunk and egg novels they do state that while in dorn then prince Aegon V did tan similar to the dornish. Honestly I'm not a big fan of the casting but he is a great actor and he looks absolutely amazing in costume. Even in the novels during the time of the main series cersei lannister has a member of his house as a lover only because he looks like prince rhaegar targaryen, so it's not just once through the books they are described the same as the targaryens it's pretty consistent that this is what they look like. Even house celtigar is described the same and they are in the storm land and seafaring like house velaryon.
I don't care if they're white or not, the writing and the performance are the things that matters, salladhor saan are different in the books and show, but I didn't bitch about it coz the performance was good, and he wasn't a main character.
I feel bitching is called for . Diversity and representation is a terrible excuse. Especially if it breaks the lore . As this definitely does. ( unless the change or retcon the backstory and the future plot) im referencing the paternity of his grandchildren. A major plot point of the civil war.
How? In the books his grandsons have brown hair and brown eyes like their biological father Harwin Strong. On the show, Rhaenyra’s sons are played by white actors with brown hair and brown eyes. So I don’t really understand how that changes the story. The Velaryons being black on the show doesn’t change the story being told in HOTD. In the end, none of Corlys’ descendants (or supposed descendants) ever get to sit on the throne.
@@FlashingLightss the books claim the children were leanors ( but almost certainly harwin strongs sons) that close a too a black corlyes . They could pass them off as valarian . Darker skin or brown hair ( or black hair ) and a mixed race child is a big difference. There could be no realistic doubts about the paternity. ( it wouldn't affect the dragon blood part ) the corlys change already requires we suspend disbelief. Now its even more stupid. ( i hadn't heard they cast white actors) but that's doesn't make it less stupid. We are talking about that actors grandchildren. It doesn't make sense. Does it ? appearance wise . Brown hair or olive skin .is different.
@@shanenolan8252 I’m not really sure what you’re trying to say but Laenor on the show is played by a biracial actor and he has the platinum blonde Valyrian hair color. A biracial person and a white person’s children mostly look white. Casting white actors who have the Strong features we’re told in the books is not stupid at all. It actually makes the most sense.
@@SD-zz4ov lots of people. You obviously care . If you dont care about a fair criticism . Why should anyone care about what you do care about. Which is what exactly ? . Lots of people probably most people percentage wise of the fandom care . Twitter cares. Obviously the producers care . If you dont care about the books or the story., why are you wasting your time watching this video. ? Surely you can do better than who cares. ?
In real life, the prevalence of people born with white hair by population is highest among people of African descent, particularly in Sub-Saharan Africa. So in the real world, it would be more logical if the dragon riders were primarily dark skinned to begin with. Either way, the books don't really mention skin color so the only reason why people complain about Coryls Velaryon being Black is because of racism, plain and simple. Unfortunately for bigots, they don't get to decide who plays these roles, let them cry and be helpless to do anything about it because the show will go on regardless of their racism.
there is a point to be made about ASOIAF lacking real representation for people of colour but it does feel equally lazy to just change a character’s skin colour like it’s a paint job rather then actually write a wholly new perspective.
I heard this over and over and also for the Witcher and for Vikings: Valhalla. But I will say this guy who says “white writers aren’t aware of lack of black actors getting a fair shot”. I hope it’s not a shot at Martin who’s just writing HIS story. If he means the writers or show runners then I get it. I actually don’t mind the change who cares. Just make the story the same and give the character their due diligence
So enjoying your deep historytelling of this world in your videos. You are my new favorite of the best channels on House of Dragon, GoT and whatever else lies ahead. You have sold me on Corlys, and now I am worried the depth of his story is being under-told in House of Dragon. I imagine in "Fire & Blood" there has to be stories of seamonsters among the strange human stories in his 9 voyages, so I think however exciting the dragonrider stories are, Corlys could very well be one of the more interesting people in this world. Thanks so much for this video. You did a great job!
@@Im__Andy-f6x He is Valyrian. All Valyrians are literally described as having purple eyes, white hair and fair skin. Period. I don’t care about the whole “the velaryons were never described” bullshit. It’s more than obvious that they were supposed to be white. It’s not surprising that they made them black with todays society in America feeling the need to black wash most chacater in many different movies and shows.
@@incomments2864 I don’t blame them at all for the casting. Obviously it’s illogical and breaks the immersion of the show and just goes against the lore but he still looks like a cool character and I’m sure the actor has the acting skills to pull it all off. I don’t think it’s been done for entirely political reasons though it’s just good economics. There’s many black people in America and the UK and the world and for some reason black people are just more likely to watch and enjoy shows where blacks people are being represented. Fantasy has long been quite a stereotypically white genre in its fan base and it’s casting and they’re just trying to tap into a new audience and make even more money. Honestly it’s brilliant as they’ve created so much controversy and discussion they’ve got a lot of people talking about the show and advertising it while cementing a good in with the black viewership.
In Comments- When you say "black wash most characters" you must mean add a rare person of color amongst many white people on the show. Why is that a problem. The whole rest of the show is still white people.
@@heir2n018 he probably is half summer islander or any of the other countries/islands who live further south am I the only one who actually finds this more interesting then if he was white it adds a great twist and give the plot more expansion
You know what sucks? This makes GoT ending even worse. If D&D passed over the reigns after S6 we would've gotten at least 4 more full seasons and very likely House Velaryon.
I don't have a racist bone in my body but making corlys black to shoehorn black actors into the show really aggravates the shit out of me. Makes me not even want to watch the show.
They could easily make corlys biology make sense in the show. The velaryons may have once had pale skin, enter a woman from the summer isles, the baby would have a chance to retain the skin color of either parent, if the baby retains the moms color, he’s still a velaryons, corlys could still be Velaryon, and a mixed child has an even higher chance of having a child of either color, even more so than two people of completely opposite colors mating, I’m 50%white 50%black myself, my child could be born with white skin or brown. Yet he will still be a “Love” regardless
@@sausagejockyGaming The Velaryon's and Targaryen's married whomever they pleased. A few of them married Dornishmen, Maegor the Cruel had a foreign wife, Aegon The Younger had a wife from Essos, Daemon Targaryen had a Summer islander looking lover, one of King Jaeherys daughters had bastards from foreign me. As far as the Velaryon's go, we don't know enough about them to assume they only marry Targayen's. They are sailers meaning the likely spend more time away from Westeros.
@@thegreatpage5912 Incorrect in a way, one of the staples of the Valyrian Empire was its staunch bigotry and supremacist ideology. No aristocratic Valyrian would of married a Summer Islander, Rhoynar, Ghiscari, etc because it would of been political suicide for multiple reasons. a few Targaryens have married Dornishmen in part because the Martells are a powerful family that has the means of defying the Targaryen rule of Dorne. Marriage is the only reasons Dorne is in the Seven Kingdoms.
@@Holy_Discourses What you say is true, they are purist. But keep in mind House Velaryon left for Westeros before even the Targaryens did there must have been a reason why. In the show lore, perhaps they committed political suicide as you mentioned by breeding with Summer Islanders. The Summer Isles is located right below Valyria so it can't be much of a stretch to believe so.
This is a fictional story set in a fictional world who cares what the characters race is my goodness. People are really butt hurt over this, seems like and exceptional show so far!
It could make sense. The Summer Islands would be of no interest to most Westerosi nobles, but their renowned shipbuilders and sailors would have been of interest to House Velaryon. Corlys's mother is also never named in the books nor is it mentioned where she's from. Corlys's father marrying a noblewoman from the Summer Isles could be worked in without much contradiction
I initially wasn’t a big fan of the casting (and I’m black) but if GRRM is working on the show and doesn’t have a problem with the casting of the Velaryons as black and mixed race, why is it such a big deal? It’s not like it’s based on real people or real history.
Yeah I don’t really mind when it’s not actually historical, though I can see people’s frustrations I just think it’s not real so it doesn’t make a difference, especially when many of the viewers are going to be people who haven’t read the books anyway
@@josefernandpz683 calm down it’s not that serious. And you’re 100% WRONG. Only Westeros is European inspired. Everything else is inspired by Middle East, Africa, Asia, etc. And besides IT’S NOT EVEN REAL.
@@josefernandpz683 your trying to tell me that Dorn is based on Europe. Or that the clearly at least partially Mongol based Dothraki are actually some European group? Or even that the dragon riders are actually European even though compared to our world they would be from like South Africa to like coastal China since they come from farther east than most groups we see? The world of Westeros should likely be significantly more diverse with how many people come and go across the narrow sea and marry for powerful alliances and access to magical advantages, and really the Valaryans and Targaryaens should likely be extremely tan, if not black from their constant exposure to extreme heat, be that drahons or the sun at sea, just like the majority of people in Africa and the Middle East, and even the hotter parts of mainland Asia or the European countries along the Mediterranean like Spain and Italy.
I don’t get why people are so mad he got casted. None of the Targaryen’s have purple eyes in the show so it’s weird to be way more mad about something like skin colour
@@ildlyn8966 or it’s not that big of an issue unless you’re a whole dweeb, and that comes from a man who has read all of the books set in the asoiaf universe. You better set aside that nerd rage for when they try some shit like the last season of got lmaooo
Being that the Valeryons are sailors/traders/pirates it aint hard to believe that his father may have had a black wife from some place like the the Summer Isles and thats why Corlys is both Valaryian as well as black.
@@thegreatpage5912 do you folks understand the lore here? sounds like you never read any of it. theres a particular reason targs bred with valryons.. any guesses why? genealogy/race is pretty important in the show. its an odd move, and a bit controversial, but as long as its done well/explained im fine with it. just kinda odd. shit, joffrey had blond hair and it changed the whole story in got.
it's hard for me to continue to care about detailed inspection of a universe whose writer has long-since abandoned it --- why do we care about this more than GRRM does?
Honestly as far as the casting.,, George RR Martin is working closely with this show, so if He signed off approval of the casting, there should be not arguments about it after that.
I think it would make an interesting video to have a list of all of the characters from Game of Thrones who could have possibly been alive in the time of the prequel and may make an appearance.
Corleys becoming black ruins continuity. The Velaryons and Targaryons have been mixing the families for generations, the Barathions have also married Velaryons in the past a few times. This brown washing would have many complications. There would be a lot more black people in Westeros.
They planned to make all white but looking at the actors they thought fucking hell they're too many white sliver heads running around. I can see why they changed it. You don't want confuse the casual viewers. They might as well added the Witcher in there.
@@Abdi-libaax I get what you're saying but that just makes it sound like they think the average viewers are idiots. If they think we're stupid, should we watch their drivel?
Wow they really nailed the screen character adaptation!! I love being reminded that Whites aren’t allowed to have their own culture with any sort of exclusivity
Regarding the issue of race I would like to remind people that Martin originally wanted to write them as black people with white hair and purple eyes. Is it so far fetched the the Velaryon's now represent what he initially wanted and now gets to see in a different form?
Martin had that idea while shitting on a toilet but he didnt go with it. They made them white, pale, with silver hair. Stop crying and trying to dig, they are no black and never were
yes, cuz martin didnt write them as he ''originally intendet'' obviously, they just change shit just to change it. its the same as what d&d did and look where that ended
Anyone bitching about the casting can show me where, in canon, it says where Corlys' mother and her family was from. They can't. So if the show is to say her side came from Summer Islander heritage, thats just as valid as anything else. Just let the man act ffs.
It really doesn’t matter who Corlys’ mother was because the Velaryons being black doesn’t change the story in any way shape or form. Rhaenyra’s sons on the show look like description in the books and none of Corlys’ descendants get to sit on throne. Sure Aegon III marries a Velaryon but their sons die before they can have sons of their own and the throne passes to Viserys. The people bitching about this change just want to be annoying. I’d understand if it affected the story but it literally doesn’t.
@@FlashingLightss Exactly, it has zero affect on the story at all. Its classic "im mad coz my fave isn't white" bullshit with a hysterically pathetic "bUt iTs bReAkInG tHe lOrE" veil thrown on top. It doesn't break the lore, people are just dumbasses.
@@jazzycat8917 Absolutely. They keep bringing up Rhaenyra’s sons’ paternity but the boys are being played by white actors with brown hair so how does that affect the story? No one whose bitched about the change has given a logical reason as to why they think it will ruin the story.
Fr bro so many ppl getting butthurt over a simple casting of a character… I’ll never understand people who hate on shows before they’ve even been released
It made no sense to make the character a black dude. It takes me, the viewer, out of the story while looking at this black dude with a ridiculous white wig. 😂
As a black person we love to see inclusion true. But in this case it would have been preferable for you to stick with the illustrations from the book. Even to us readers who are black that would make more sense.
Valeryons being black is dope and adheres to lore. The silver hair and purple eyes have been theorized as a genetic defect due to the intersplicing of the dragon genes through blood magic, as opposed to a distinct characterization all Valyrions have.
Why couldn't they have just cast an accurate actor that corresponds with the books? That being said that actor looks like he can fill the role well I just hope this show is good man
@@ianvera4299 i dont know man your the one whose been commenting on this video for literal weeks coping. Hope Tyrone lets you play on your switch tonight 👍
Geographically it doesn’t make sense for people from Valyria to have pale skin as it is in the books so I mean idk if it’s so much of a problem for the show to make the valerions to be black. I mean if they were pale skinned it would be more accurate to the book but them being darker makes more sense like geographically. So what I’m trying to say is it’s fantasy and so it doesn’t really matter who is what color in either a book or a movie, like daario was meant to have purple hair and he doesn’t in the show, like yk it don’t matter. And this way dark skinned people can have characters in got that are more representative to them so I think it’s all good as long as the characters are portrayed well and written well
I just find it so funny about all the complaints that Corlys Velaryon will be played by a black man in the show, yet movies like the gods of "Egypt" have all white casts
Maybe I’m trippin but they could have made everyone in the show Asian and I still would watch bc I love the story that much. End of the day no reason to get ur panties twisted it’s just fiction. Not even fully biased in real history like gods of Egypt
Heres a interesting thing i found yall could consider, Ryan Condal himself explained the change, saying: " long ago when he was conceiving of this world, Martin himself had considered the idea of making Velaryons a race of Black people with silver hair that essentially came from the other side of the ocean and conquered Westeros. That's a fascinating idea and that always really stuck with me because it's such a stark image. I just thought, 'Well, why couldn't we do a version of that now?'"
Yeah just like JK Rowling had imagined Hermione to be black and a gay Dumbledore. GRRM has admitted himself that he's based Targaryens are Tolkien's elves
I have absolutely nothing against black actors and the more the merrier but he should not have been cast as black. It messes up the timeline mutiple ways. His family has interwed and interbreed with the targayians for generations. They should all Be mixed at this point if his family was truly black. Also it makes the subplot with lenor and raeneys boys are his or not, mute. If they were lenors they would would be mixed. The boys shown in the show are white. No longer a “could” they be lenora or breakbones sons but have to be breakbones’s sons bc they are white and not mixed. Im sure this actor is a hell of an actor and will prolly do a good job in the show portraying corlious persona but i think shows should follow the source material. Now makes me wonder what else they have changed from the books.
Unlike J.K Rowling, GRRM is pretty descriptive when writing his characters. He even goes as far as to describe the literal details in the fabric on the clothes of some characters. I will never understand why black people are desperate to turn blatantly white characters black. And this is just not a problem in House of the Dragon but in American media in general.
Corlys is not described as white my friend. He is described as having silver hair and purple eyes, nothing about colour. One reference says some are pale, not white.
You're so racist that you don't realise that it wasn't black people who changed the character. I never even heard of these characters until I saw the trailer. I have even seen videos and comments from black people not happy with this change but you'll ignore that.
@@GlizzyGoblin757 No it's lazier not to even try. This what happens when studio's care more about profit than making quality product which ultimately creates said profit and makes all parties happy. It's not a money problem either because they have tons of it and there are plenty of struggling writers available.
This might be head cannon but what if Corlys claimed/fled from the cannibal when he visited assahi. I’m kinda confused on how to how they survived all the terrible shit there
Thanks. I love this character.. it just doesn't make sense. Countries like this didn't have the kind of diversity we see in the modern world. And even in a 21st century world its very new and has problems. I can only think of two real world examples of royal interracial marriages. British a few years ago and Africa in the 1950s . And both had issues. Even a marriage between a Lannister and baratheon or a stark and a Tully are a big deal. The starks have only married outside the north two or three times.. that said the actor is very good . I have seen him in other things. Its just race ( ethnic) or gender swaps are always a bad idea in principle.
@@Shockingbeard oh like the various film and television shows based on real people. ( they cast a black actress as queen of England) or a another was a fall of troy they cast a black actor as Greek prince Achilles. Or another was a Shakespeare adaptation of Henry the fifth. One of the kings brothers was a black actor. Just one of the boys but white parents. If it is all fiction and doesn't matter then why change it ? They do it because it does matter. It propaganda. Of a sort and its rasist. How about all the redheads. How many examples before it does it require ? I recall very heated complaints about black characters changed into white actors. Whitewashing was the term they used. They were only fiction. Pure hypocrisy. And then people attempt to gaslight over it . Once apon a time i might have ignored it but now its a pattern. They were even debating it in parliament in England. ( erasure of positive male role models in popular entertainment. Gender swaps or negative role models. Accusof toxic masculinity. I saw a wonderful video yesterday about the strong female characters issue in popular entertainment. Some people believe the bible is a work of fiction. ( how many people have died over religion ? ) its not nothing is it .
@@Guitaristmalakian fantasy based on real history and events. ( apart from the dragons) and its light fantasy. But most of game of thrones and its characters were based on historical figures and events. Every fictional story even fantasy has a logical or realistic familiar environment. Even the dragons have lore and rules. . So whats your justification for historical period shows non fantasy with race swaps ? . Dragons is a really bad point. Its still a 13th century environment. ( at this point) its still based on England or western Europe isn't it ? . Dance of the dragons / the anarchy. War of the five kings/wars of the roses.
@@shanenolan8252 That's my point, the word realism doesnt make sense here. This is a made up world, even if it's "inspired" by ours, there can be dozens of reasons why there would be blacks or asians or red colored people mixed up with european inspired race They can do whatever they want
If he’s white in the books then he should be white in the show, end of story. If people want to see more representation etc then write your own novels.
He’s not a dragonlord, so he can have any skin color. “Valyrians are famous for having silver-gold hair and violet-purple eyes, characteristics not found amongst any other peoples of the world. This can vary from white to silver-gold to blond hair, and from lilac, to deep purple, and pale blue eyes. The most noble of Valyrians were considered strikingly, some say inhumanly,[1] beautiful” From the official wiki on the appearance of a Valyrian (not a dragonlord), funny how skin color Is not mentioned. :)
@Pedro Fernandes refer back to my previous comment. Normal Valyrians have no skin color description, so it’s irrelevant, also it’s irrelevant to the plot of the story, nothing changes because he’s black. GRRM approved the casting and he’s heavily involved. His work, his choice.
@@AS-ri1mb yet his skin color does not change the plot in anyway, so it doesn’t matter, he’s not a dragonlord. If his skin color bothers you, that’s a problem you gotta deal with, not me.
There is no need for diversity in media. Add I if you want it, but if you make a work without it that's fine too. People only get pissed when you change things, typically by adding melanin or more X chromosomes..
@@GlizzyGoblin757 you do realize what this person means by diversity is just non-white or non-male actors right? Diversity is important for representation, and while it’s not “necessary” to a show’s writing prowess or success, it is by extension very stale, unnecessary and Euro-centric. Diversity should be the norm and shows shouldn’t be classified as “woke” it should just be normal. You don’t look around at society and say oh it’s woke, just because the population consists of people from different ethnicities do you? Other than well…racism, why is diversity an actual problem?
I'll watch it if they recast with more accurate actors. It's a fictional story they can just write in characters with more backstory like Bronn. Not a main lead described as white. After reading it it ruins the immersion so I have no interest.
The ship Corleys saw was The Sunchaser Captained by Alys Westhill who stole three dragon eggs and sold them so she could build The Sunchaser and voyage to see what laid West. She actually talked two grandsons on the Lord of The Hightower to go with her.
Are you referring to Elissa Farman? I have no idea who the character you're describing is, but I know that Elissa was the one who did all that.
Edit: nevermind that was a alias she used.
Who is Alys Westhill? That's Elissa Farman
@@allanaalberto9730 Alys Westhill's was Elissa Farman's pseudonym. She couldn't go by her real name after stealing the dragon eggs from Rhaena Targaryen.
It's so typical of RR Martin to give a character a legendary life and then have him die from falling down a staircase lol
its kinda a symbolic though of the fall of house Velaryon by the time he died.
That's actually similar to Humayun in the beginning of Mughal dynasty
I Honestly wish they were willing to Keep the Iconic Turquoise Color that is associated with House Velaryon in the show like it is in the books.
The colors help distinguish Faction Loyalty and allegiance just by the symbols on the breastplate.
So how does turquoise so faction loyalty 🤔
Why would they be bothered to keep the canon when they are race swapping and gender bending the crap out of this SJW disaster
I think they will, at least from what I glimpsed as the banners in the house of dragons trailer
They are??
@@anthonywarren9885 Because those are their house colours??? It’s like differentiating between red team and blue team.
I always wondered why they omitted such a powerful house from game of thrones. You would think Daenerys would have called upon them when she landed on dragonstone, driftmark is very close by and they are technically family. It's just weird.
It’s only weird if you forget Dumb and dumber are hacks
I think they're significantly less powerful by got. And the current lord is a little boy. Tbh I think It’s just a necessary decision to cut a lot of smaller houses. The showrunners barely managed a coherent story with the main houses after all
@Harris Fu Do not cite the lore to me, Witch. I was there when it was written.
@@maliceinwonderland00 lmaooooo. It's a reference. Gtfo
@@roryedward2631 that reference is Golden
It's rather annoying that we never saw any real naval prowess in the first season of HotD. I know it took us awhile to see the Greyjoys in GoT, but I did expect some of Corlys's ability in the battles with the Triarchy.
I can't wait for them to cast Dalton Greyjoy. That should be exciting.
Hopefully he becomes a fan favorite, because the sea snake prequel prequel would be extremely interesting and open up alot more of the fantastical parts of the world to the mainstream audience
I like his dark skin, it gives him a badass pirate look. It’s also works in a contexts of the show as his family members are easy to identify and even translates the whole bastard art really well. This cast also allows new opportunities to several new black actors which Hollywood lacks.
I like it too.
It's funny that the Velaryons say they have mingled with the Targaryens for centuries only to have black skin
@@giuliettadeglispiriti7365 their genes are stronger, black dont crack.
@@MrYounis26 So why are the sons of Rhaenys and Corlys mulattoes? In the original work the only black people live on the Summer Isles, the black Velaryons was just an ingenious marketing choice.
@@giuliettadeglispiriti7365 mulatos this mulatos that, dont care its a fictional world.
The show has a king “Orlys II.” There’s no way this could possibly work with the book lore. It has its own continuity. It is known.
I just want to know if they’ll ever address what happened to House Velaryon.
Lord Monford Velaryon died in the battle of the blackwater after supporting stannis, Monford is succeeded by his six-year-old son, Monterys and house velarion stayed loyal to stannis after the defeat at blackwater
@@juwebles4352 But they're not mentioned in the show.
@@juwebles4352 I think he meant more the fall of valyria
@@p0tanscimm Oh, we don't really know but I imagine they were just a family without the ability to control dragons that instead of be forever servile to the dragon lord families fled to Westeros before the doom, and then ended up under another dragon lord family lol
Corlys Velaryon and Alyn Velaryon are probably my two favorite characters. I would love a book about either of their travels... after Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring though. And Fire and Blood Part 2. And some more Dunc and Egg. Yeah damnit we're never getting a Velaryon adventure book.
Alyn and Adam Velaryon are pretty bad ass and the characters I anticipate the most in House of the Dragon.
@@dominiqueodom3099 Yeah - Adam being a dragonrider and Alyn being a sea captain
HAHAHAHHAHAA
Trying not to be a dick here, but I don't think Martin will live that long. I'm seriously questioning if we are going to see "A Dream of Spring" at all, with his incredible weight and age It's a miracle that the guy is still standing.
Don't feel too bad, we're likely never getting the other books you listed either.
I've been waiting for this one. Love your content bro!!!
It still doesn't make sense for a valyrian family to be black but my god the actor did such a great job portraying corlys. He dominated every scene he was in.
Never doubt HBO on their choice of the cast
Yeah me too it hurts my eyes but I have learned to tolerate it with great difficulty because Steve Toussaint ( talented as he maybe) just sticks out like a sore thumb
@@strongsuccessfulweeb1400 still havent watched it because of this casting. Race is super important to hollywood and god forbird they let the works of tolkien (and martin) be as the authors intended it.
@@AH13371 aside from the clear race swapping of House Velaryon its a good show. Try to watch it
@@strongsuccessfulweeb1400 I don't think its a lore change. I hated it and for the longest time refused to watch the show because of it, but honestly it was needed. Hear me out, there is no way the average viewer would be able to differentiate who is who especially with all the time skips. There is so many people, so fast, that we only get to see for so little. Even now I had a little bit of trouble but if they weren't black boy it'd be hard...
If its a straight lore change BS like there actually being black Valyrians or somehow they interbred with summer islanders or something me and my large group of ASOIAF supporters are done.
@@Jose-gc3xt i hear you. They could however use family crests in their outfits , a sea horse, in this case to differentiate the Targaryens and Velaryons. But i guess they are too lazy for that.
Man i really wanna see Yiti, Asshai and the far east in general. I hope they make a series or movie about it someday
Apparently a show called "The Sea Snake" is in early development by HBO
Being a captain may not be as cool as a dragon rider, but when you command a fleet of 9 massive ships you designed yourself... Pretty cool. Corlys is cooler than most dragon riders because of what he did.
One of the few honorable men in Westeros to live long enough to die of old age
Can’t get enough of this history.
Fictional history which is probably just as true as a lot of history
@@peteravellaneda9499 wtf not even close 😂
@@lorddaquanofhouserastafari4177 It really is. I'd put money alot real history is kind of made up.
@@cpowell4227 well do some research and you will see for yourself that a lot of history is in fact not made up
@@lorddaquanofhouserastafari4177 Alot of History is definitely made up. History is written by the Victors. That's actuality the brutal truth. Things may have happened. But details are not always true . The details is what I am saying are made up.
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Were there any natives living on the thousand islands? And if there were, did they have any distinctive garb they wore? Perhaps one might prefer this question be phrased such as a curiosity of distinct Thousand Island dressing? Lol
The seas snake should have his own series with the 9 voyages
There is one actually in development by HBO
It makes perfect sense for Corlys to be black, considering we know nothing about his mother’s ancestry and the family literally sailed the oceans for generations creating numerous opportunities to incorporate non- Valyrian DNA into their genetic makeup
Agree completely but i couldn't give a crap if he's black regardless, valyrian history could have been set in stone but he min I knew it was Steve toussaint bringing him to life I was adamant that he was going to nail this role regardless of his looks and he has. For me, he is the sea snake now and everytime I imagine corlys in happy to imagine him just as he is in the show.
No it doesn’t
No it doesn’t
You trippin I’m black because Obama said so
Exactly. The Summer Islanders are very dark, black skinned. And they're sea traders. It's perfectly natural for his mother to be from the same land. And in the books, discussing skin color isn't really tainted by negative feelings or prejudice. It's just a descriptive feature. When I first saw Corlys in the show, I just thought, oh yeah, I guess that's entirely possible. And it's so cool to see with the silver hair. His children are absolutely gorgeous, and possibly the most decent and strong-willed characters in the show. Corlys became my favorite very quickly.
Can you do a Valeryion family tree?!
There is literally nothing wrong with having a story where everyone is the same race, and if you say that you disagree, then you must be ok with a story set in sub-Saharan African 800 AD there must be racial diversity in the cast with about 50% white people.
If it makes sense for the story then sure, any other races can be apart of any story, but forcing it in for the sake of it is very bad writing, especially when we are talking about stories that are not set a modern day, open-minded, western city.
That example is different context. No one is saying a story can’t have one type of skin color, but this isn’t a true story, it’s fantasy, not to mention there sailors, so if you can’t imagine a white sailor smashing a black chick or brown chick you have no business reading or watching fantasy. Not to mention they do this all the time when making book to movies, also George, the actual creator of these stories has a contract with HBO to work on this project so if he don’t care no one should. And if you do you should check deep down why it bothers you..
@@thegamerboneless2864 First of all, if you know anything about how George Martin is you'd know that his creative decisions are frequently being ignored and is slowly being pushed out of his own work, so if the studio could just make an executive decision and tell him to screw off, the ending of GOT is a great example. George is just happy that he's getting money, but he's too old to care if they butcher his material any more.
There's also the elephant in the room that making specifically Corlys black makes less sense than almost anyone else, cause there's a sub plot that Corlys might be the father of some of Rhaenyra's children, but if he's black then it would be pretty freakin obvious if he was involved in their conception wouldn't it.
Also, and this is just reality talking here, he's the kind of black that is from a super sunny region like Africa, with no mixing of his genetics whatsoever. If a Velaryon hooked up with a random black chick, (and I don't think that would even be allowed considering how big the Valyrians are about genetics) then he would be heavily mixed, unless all of the Velaryons all changed their race at the same moment. Also if there were black people on that corner of Westeros then the genetic mix up of that region would look at least a bit different considering that the Velaryons are said to have mixed with other noble families aside from the Targaryens. And on top of that, if that were all somehow true then the makeup of the Targaryens of the current story like Dany and Jon would look quite different wouldn't they, as in not as white as snow.
And lastly, I will politely say screw you for trying to paint some sort of internalized racism to my points when you clearly don't have any. I do not take the excuse of "lol its a fantasy so whatever" seriously, especially in a story that use to care about having an extremely consistent world. Do not make excuses for bad writing.
@@zachpulido5972 ok that’s extremely long, which is ok, I just didn’t have time to totally read, I would say that GOT ran out of source material and also George was long gone from GOT I think after the first or second season. As far as the rules they had about genetic mixing I would say this there sailors and rules are meant to be broken, also I’m mixed black, Irish and German, me and my older sister look Spanish, my little brother and sister are twins and she’s blonde hair green eyes, couldn’t tell she has any black in her. My cousin is mixed as well, his father is light skinned green eyes, his mom is Irish, and he is dark with green eyes, so the color of your skin can come out differently when having mixed family, him being dark don’t mean his kids would be dark. I also go back to it’s fantasy it’s not that serious, we’re people act like it’s the end of the world. I also read that George is highly protective of his work, and I doubt he would say he is ok with it if he wasn’t, just like he wasn’t happy with the GOT ending. I didn’t say or imply you are racist, I think that word is being thrown around way to much just cause folks disagree. But I do think people should take a look at why this bothers them, since all of it is a made up story, there not changing facts of a true historical event. I’ll read your reply again see if I missed anything, and give reply if I did later.
@@zachpulido5972 well its there u can watch it or not noone really cares tbh
@@thegamerboneless2864 *sigh* ok. So basically all you have to say is “if I write the story for the writer, anything is possible.” You and moon on dp are doing nothing but making excuses.
I have no idea why you responded without even bothering to read my comment, that’s just bizarre, doesn’t sound very intuitive.
Why would you make a reference to your modern day, racially mixed family when we are talking about Westeros, a nation that is much like medieval Britain where there was not a lot of racial mixing simply due to the fact that there were basically no other races there. And as if the Valerians family was so racially mixed that their kids could come out as any color of the rainbow when all the other families that live in that area, the families that the Valyrions breed with, are all the same race. Also, race is not just in skin color, it is in facial features and height, you want me to believe that none of those traits would have made it into Dany and John? Heck if you look at racially mixed families, even just one ancestor that is a different race to the rest will change their facial structure for the next several generations, and the Targyrians have been breeding with the Valyrions for generations.
No the Valerians would not be cool with their family hooking up with some random person from the other side of the world, cause one, the Valerian culture is supportive of selective breeding so they would have to be very careful who they let in, two the other families of Westeros likely are pretty racist as well so why would they be open to marry their kin to someone who is basically an alien to them.
Also I love when people give a bunch of reasons why they think something makes sense, then end it with “it’s just a fictional story so who cares, why do you care so much aren’t you wasting your time?”
So it’s either something you care about and you are trying to defend the decision, or it’s not important and you’re waiting your own time by your own definition. If your going to make an argument for something, don’t then immediately say that making arguments is meaning less and that you don’t care.
While the blackwashing isn't certainly a dealbreaker, I am a bit miffed about it. The showrunners are basically saying THEY write the rules on what is an already-established internally-consistent fantasy series.
It's the same feeling I got when GOT started careening off the rails post-S5. Or when Peter Jackson did that stupid elf-dwarf love triangle in the Hobbit. The showmakers don't care about making a faithful adaptation, they just want shock factor & easy morality points.
GRRM is involved with this and this was his decision too lol. Of course they write the rules, that doesn't mean they'll change everything
@@nikdik154 2 words: J.K. Rowling. Just because the author was involved as a "consultant" & was being made a mouthpiece to endorse the producer's changes doesn't make the thing automatically canon.
Remember how much flak Rowling got when she tried retconning shit in HP? Remember the backlash from Cursed Child? Rowling was supposedly a writer on the 2nd Fantastic Beasts movie & the fanbase basically burned her for the internal consistencies she tried to retcon in the lore she herself was the author of.
@@cyberhikikomori5326 Except George actually stated he was fine with him being black and actually regretted not having more black inclusion in the books, which I agree on. I don't think him being black is a deal breaker especially if it draws more people in.
@the reason he said it 3 years ago before corlys was confirmed to be black in the show.
“Blackwashing” 🤣 well served you people right for white people playing non white characters or even wearing blk face just to keep “certain people” out of the spot light. You’ll be ok. We’ve been dealing your peoples crap for centuries. Now it’s time you deal with ours.
So, In House of the Dragon Corlys Velaryon is played by a black actor, which to preface I have no problem with them changing the characters race, but I do worry about some of the unintended consequences this could have on the cannon. And it could also lead to some actors on the show being cancelled. Anyway… here is a breakdown of the early Targaryens race. (This is made with the assumption that the Velaryons are all black which I think is what the show is going for)
Aegon I is half Velaryon, making him 1/2 black. His son Aenys I would also be half black (due to the fact that Queen Rhaynes would also be 1/2 black) Aenys married a Velaryon, meaning his son Jaehaerys I would be 3/4 black, Jaehaerys I married his sister Alysanne. This would make their son Baelon 3/4 black, and his sons Viserys I and Daemon would both be 3/4 black. A brief aside, in the show Daemon will be portrayed by Matt Smith who is white, this could cause some problems. Anyway, Viserys’ kids (all by white mothers) Rhaynera, Aegon, Aemond, and Daeron will all be appearing in the show and they are played by white actors despite the fact that these characters are 3/8 black according to the show’s lore.
Exactly.
But even if the show itself is decent: It will always end in season 8 and female dragon Hitler.
Aye and their hair quality too
Your theory doesn't make sense for their world. Its a fantasy world and genes dont work the same way they do in ours. Also being part black doesn't mean someone will look the part. I have a friend who is a quarter black and it doesnt show, at all. Also the concept of being part anything doesnt matter in their world. The family name is more important. This is most obviously displayed by joffrey, who is referred to as a baratheon even though he clearly looks nothing like one. In our world this matter, as in slave times even being part black means you were still seen as subhuman, and in their world the concept doesnt apply and your skin color doesnt have much at all to do with your treatment, your family name, high or low birth, and wealth do. Your applying thinking from our own world just because you visually see black people in a show that has flying dragons, manticores, magic, and other things that should be much stranger than just a persons skin. No one is getting canceled for fucks sake.
@@chillazaraka no ,ur theory is trash
@@chillazaraka my theory has nothing to do with their treatment in universe, I’m simply displaying the consequences of the decision and the effects it has on the characters.
Honestly, I'm not sold on the casting of Corlys (as is the case with Rhaenyra), but my only hope is that they make him work in the show. Only the books are canon, but this has the potential to be a great show.
Yeah why did they cast a black dude, getting sick of this forced diversity
@@MegaNikos44 yeah, diversity this, diversity that but also noone is pointig out how Rhaenyra isn't basically a landwhale
The issue is they're forcing the black casting as woke points for this generation. It's ridiculous, very much how in the witcher Netflix series they did the same with multiple characters, resident evil Jill valentine is now black also. It is out of hand and TBH my biggest problem with it personally is it doesn't follow the source material whatsoever, he isn't black in the books so don't do it for the show plain and simple
@@restitvtor6398 funnily enough, it is stated Rhaynera put on more weight in her later years due to a mix of her eating habits and her multiple pregnancies.
@@samuelwolch1302 ikr. She was already really fat at the beginning of the dance, and I don't want the showrunners to make her into some perfect little saviour characters with no flaws, inside and out. I want her to be an accurate depiction of the book character, basically proto-Cersei that is
Didn’t know too much about this character, but because of your content and information I think he’ll be my favorite characters or one of them. As far as him being black as long as they keep to the history of him and his family and keep to his story I’m all right with it. Maybe throw in some purple contacts for his eyes. Lol thanks again for your great videos and info.
THANK YOUUUUUUU THIS IS WHAT REAL FANS HAVE BEEN SCREAMING ABOUT GIVE THEM PURPLE EYES!!!! lol
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but they CANT keep to the history because of his race. they should have made this actor a different character. NOBODY cares about "poc's" being in GoT, theres many and more in the books, but you cant have Valyrians, described as "pale skinned, with silvery-gold hair, and purple eyes" portrayed by dark skinned actors, particularly when the plotline involves accusations of infidelity and parentage in that bloodline.
@@MyUserTubeAccount You have some good points. But that’s the world we live in now. All I’m saying is hopefully they can keep to his backstory as close as possible. Maybe with some creative writing. Lol
@@ciscoduncan1490 well thanks for the reasonable response, thats increasingly rare nowadays! as far as creative writing, since D&D arent involved, really it can only be better 😂
I want to see Yi Ti so bad in the show
I'm gonna be 100% honest, when they revealed the Velaryons in the HOTD trailer, I was never upset, but very much on the contrary, I was actually super stoked to see the Velaryons, and I think it's super cool that the Velaryons were gonna be played by black actors
The Targaryens were a lower house of Valyria yet they still had dragons. I imagine House velaryon was even lower than them considering they had NO dragons. Plus they had been in Westeros for longer and considering they work in the sea I don’t doubt that before Aegon decided to take the seven kingdoms they may have mixed with others that didn’t share Valyrian descent. The Targaryens were obsessed with keeping their specific line pure because of the dragons, before the intermarriages the velaryons would have no such worries. The main Valyrian features are the eyes and the hair, their pale skin could be varied between classes, as it was in real history with royals accentuating their pale skin and visible blue veins to differentiate themselves from the tan working class. If he’s in ships for most of his life he ISNT going to be pale, my father works in ships and he’s most definitely not pale. Chill
The targaryens were a manor dragonlord family but they were strong they were part of the 40 ruiling familys in valyria (dragonlords) house valerion wasn't
Just because someone has dark skin doesn't automatically mean they will have big noses and thick lips. Sub Saharan Africans are distinct from North Africans who are more Caucasian in appearance. It's only racist Western leftists who claim all dark skinned people are the same, so we see their uneducated ideas and ignorance in their play screens, while acting smug with righteousness.
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People like you need to stop stealing oxygen.
In the dunk and egg novels they do state that while in dorn then prince Aegon V did tan similar to the dornish. Honestly I'm not a big fan of the casting but he is a great actor and he looks absolutely amazing in costume. Even in the novels during the time of the main series cersei lannister has a member of his house as a lover only because he looks like prince rhaegar targaryen, so it's not just once through the books they are described the same as the targaryens it's pretty consistent that this is what they look like. Even house celtigar is described the same and they are in the storm land and seafaring like house velaryon.
I don't care if they're white or not, the writing and the performance are the things that matters, salladhor saan are different in the books and show, but I didn't bitch about it coz the performance was good, and he wasn't a main character.
I feel bitching is called for . Diversity and representation is a terrible excuse. Especially if it breaks the lore . As this definitely does. ( unless the change or retcon the backstory and the future plot) im referencing the paternity of his grandchildren. A major plot point of the civil war.
How? In the books his grandsons have brown hair and brown eyes like their biological father Harwin Strong. On the show, Rhaenyra’s sons are played by white actors with brown hair and brown eyes. So I don’t really understand how that changes the story.
The Velaryons being black on the show doesn’t change the story being told in HOTD. In the end, none of Corlys’ descendants (or supposed descendants) ever get to sit on the throne.
@@FlashingLightss the books claim the children were leanors ( but almost certainly harwin strongs sons) that close a too a black corlyes . They could pass them off as valarian . Darker skin or brown hair ( or black hair ) and a mixed race child is a big difference. There could be no realistic doubts about the paternity. ( it wouldn't affect the dragon blood part ) the corlys change already requires we suspend disbelief. Now its even more stupid. ( i hadn't heard they cast white actors) but that's doesn't make it less stupid. We are talking about that actors grandchildren. It doesn't make sense. Does it ? appearance wise . Brown hair or olive skin .is different.
@@shanenolan8252 I’m not really sure what you’re trying to say but Laenor on the show is played by a biracial actor and he has the platinum blonde Valyrian hair color. A biracial person and a white person’s children mostly look white.
Casting white actors who have the Strong features we’re told in the books is not stupid at all. It actually makes the most sense.
@@shanenolan8252 who caresssss.
@@SD-zz4ov lots of people. You obviously care . If you dont care about a fair criticism . Why should anyone care about what you do care about. Which is what exactly ? . Lots of people probably most people percentage wise of the fandom care . Twitter cares. Obviously the producers care . If you dont care about the books or the story., why are you wasting your time watching this video. ? Surely you can do better than who cares. ?
So Arya wondering what’s west of Westeros… ALREADY got discovered. Good job Dan and Dave. Good job
Honestly I wouldn’t have known the difference between the houses if they weren’t played by black actors
How Corlys Valaryon became the black Snake?
Corlys big black snake thats kinda funny i like it.
In real life, the prevalence of people born with white hair by population is highest among people of African descent, particularly in Sub-Saharan Africa. So in the real world, it would be more logical if the dragon riders were primarily dark skinned to begin with. Either way, the books don't really mention skin color so the only reason why people complain about Coryls Velaryon being Black is because of racism, plain and simple. Unfortunately for bigots, they don't get to decide who plays these roles, let them cry and be helpless to do anything about it because the show will go on regardless of their racism.
Reposting the same irrational, ignorant and in many ways racist comment of yours does nothing to prove any point whatsoever
there is a point to be made about ASOIAF lacking real representation for people of colour but it does feel equally lazy to just change a character’s skin colour like it’s a paint job rather then actually write a wholly new perspective.
Probably causes its based of feudal europe...
You shouldn’t decide whether you like a character over the colour of their skin. Literally being racist. Diversity is not needed.
No there isn't a point the setting is in a western themed medieval land not a African one or close to one so there is no point
I heard this over and over and also for the Witcher and for Vikings: Valhalla. But I will say this guy who says “white writers aren’t aware of lack of black actors getting a fair shot”. I hope it’s not a shot at Martin who’s just writing HIS story. If he means the writers or show runners then I get it. I actually don’t mind the change who cares. Just make the story the same and give the character their due diligence
So enjoying your deep historytelling of this world in your videos. You are my new favorite of the best channels on House of Dragon, GoT and whatever else lies ahead. You have sold me on Corlys, and now I am worried the depth of his story is being under-told in House of Dragon. I imagine in "Fire & Blood" there has to be stories of seamonsters among the strange human stories in his 9 voyages, so I think however exciting the dragonrider stories are, Corlys could very well be one of the more interesting people in this world. Thanks so much for this video. You did a great job!
House Velaryon really drifted from the Iron Throne after the Dance of Dragons
I want to know how he became a summer islander
his mom probably and there isn’t even a physical description of Corlys provided
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He is Valyrian. All Valyrians are literally described as having purple eyes, white hair and fair skin. Period. I don’t care about the whole “the velaryons were never described” bullshit. It’s more than obvious that they were supposed to be white. It’s not surprising that they made them black with todays society in America feeling the need to black wash most chacater in many different movies and shows.
@@incomments2864 I don’t blame them at all for the casting. Obviously it’s illogical and breaks the immersion of the show and just goes against the lore but he still looks like a cool character and I’m sure the actor has the acting skills to pull it all off. I don’t think it’s been done for entirely political reasons though it’s just good economics. There’s many black people in America and the UK and the world and for some reason black people are just more likely to watch and enjoy shows where blacks people are being represented. Fantasy has long been quite a stereotypically white genre in its fan base and it’s casting and they’re just trying to tap into a new audience and make even more money. Honestly it’s brilliant as they’ve created so much controversy and discussion they’ve got a lot of people talking about the show and advertising it while cementing a good in with the black viewership.
In Comments- When you say "black wash most characters" you must mean add a rare person of color amongst many white people on the show. Why is that a problem. The whole rest of the show is still white people.
@@incomments2864 you’re okay with flying dragon and magic but draw the line when some one has darker skin😂😂😂 ducking coward
DiVeRsItY HurR DuRrr! they keep using that word...
So he isnt a summer islander?
nop that would be too lore friendly.
No sir, he's just black BC it's 2021
@@heir2n018 he probably is half summer islander or any of the other countries/islands who live further south am I the only one who actually finds this more interesting then if he was white it adds a great twist and give the plot more expansion
You know what sucks? This makes GoT ending even worse. If D&D passed over the reigns after S6 we would've gotten at least 4 more full seasons and very likely House Velaryon.
I don't have a racist bone in my body but making corlys black to shoehorn black actors into the show really aggravates the shit out of me. Makes me not even want to watch the show.
You will watch. Corlys still looks amazing.
They could easily make corlys biology make sense in the show. The velaryons may have once had pale skin, enter a woman from the summer isles, the baby would have a chance to retain the skin color of either parent, if the baby retains the moms color, he’s still a velaryons, corlys could still be Velaryon, and a mixed child has an even higher chance of having a child of either color, even more so than two people of completely opposite colors mating, I’m 50%white 50%black myself, my child could be born with white skin or brown. Yet he will still be a “Love” regardless
The Velaryons wouldnt marry a summer islander, they mainly married the Targaryans.
so much bs to justify forced diversity
@@sausagejockyGaming The Velaryon's and Targaryen's married whomever they pleased. A few of them married Dornishmen, Maegor the Cruel had a foreign wife, Aegon The Younger had a wife from Essos, Daemon Targaryen had a Summer islander looking lover, one of King Jaeherys daughters had bastards from foreign me.
As far as the Velaryon's go, we don't know enough about them to assume they only marry Targayen's. They are sailers meaning the likely spend more time away from Westeros.
@@thegreatpage5912 Incorrect in a way, one of the staples of the Valyrian Empire was its staunch bigotry and supremacist ideology. No aristocratic Valyrian would of married a Summer Islander, Rhoynar, Ghiscari, etc because it would of been political suicide for multiple reasons. a few Targaryens have married Dornishmen in part because the Martells are a powerful family that has the means of defying the Targaryen rule of Dorne. Marriage is the only reasons Dorne is in the Seven Kingdoms.
@@Holy_Discourses What you say is true, they are purist. But keep in mind House Velaryon left for Westeros before even the Targaryens did there must have been a reason why. In the show lore, perhaps they committed political suicide as you mentioned by breeding with Summer Islanders. The Summer Isles is located right below Valyria so it can't be much of a stretch to believe so.
This is a fictional story set in a fictional world who cares what the characters race is my goodness. People are really butt hurt over this, seems like and exceptional show so far!
Exactly. I believe all movies should have a diverse cast. I’m still waiting to see white Wakandans.
i feel like an easy fix would be a very recent summer islander parent
It could make sense. The Summer Islands would be of no interest to most Westerosi nobles, but their renowned shipbuilders and sailors would have been of interest to House Velaryon. Corlys's mother is also never named in the books nor is it mentioned where she's from. Corlys's father marrying a noblewoman from the Summer Isles could be worked in without much contradiction
I initially wasn’t a big fan of the casting (and I’m black) but if GRRM is working on the show and doesn’t have a problem with the casting of the Velaryons as black and mixed race, why is it such a big deal? It’s not like it’s based on real people or real history.
Because the Valyrians look and identity is central to who and what they are. These diversity hires are ridiculous.
Yeah I don’t really mind when it’s not actually historical, though I can see people’s frustrations I just think it’s not real so it doesn’t make a difference, especially when many of the viewers are going to be people who haven’t read the books anyway
@@josefernandpz683 Hahah
@@josefernandpz683 calm down it’s not that serious. And you’re 100% WRONG. Only Westeros is European inspired. Everything else is inspired by Middle East, Africa, Asia, etc. And besides IT’S NOT EVEN REAL.
@@josefernandpz683 your trying to tell me that Dorn is based on Europe. Or that the clearly at least partially Mongol based Dothraki are actually some European group? Or even that the dragon riders are actually European even though compared to our world they would be from like South Africa to like coastal China since they come from farther east than most groups we see? The world of Westeros should likely be significantly more diverse with how many people come and go across the narrow sea and marry for powerful alliances and access to magical advantages, and really the Valaryans and Targaryaens should likely be extremely tan, if not black from their constant exposure to extreme heat, be that drahons or the sun at sea, just like the majority of people in Africa and the Middle East, and even the hotter parts of mainland Asia or the European countries along the Mediterranean like Spain and Italy.
I don’t get why people are so mad he got casted. None of the Targaryen’s have purple eyes in the show so it’s weird to be way more mad about something like skin colour
You aren't thinking that hard then.
I’m still confused as to why they couldn’t just give them all purple eyes. It’s kind of a big thing.
@@ildlyn8966 or it’s not that big of an issue unless you’re a whole dweeb, and that comes from a man who has read all of the books set in the asoiaf universe. You better set aside that nerd rage for when they try some shit like the last season of got lmaooo
Being that the Valeryons are sailors/traders/pirates it aint hard to believe that his father may have had a black wife from some place like the the Summer Isles and thats why Corlys is both Valaryian as well as black.
Stop justifying a mistake
Thank you!!!
Thank you, someone has the ability to think outside the box and put 2 and 2 together.
@@thegreatpage5912 not to mention the GRRM almost made all Valaryians black originally
@@thegreatpage5912 do you folks understand the lore here? sounds like you never read any of it. theres a particular reason targs bred with valryons.. any guesses why? genealogy/race is pretty important in the show. its an odd move, and a bit controversial, but as long as its done well/explained im fine with it. just kinda odd. shit, joffrey had blond hair and it changed the whole story in got.
Next up: How Corlys Velaryon pulled a reverse Michael Jackson.
it's hard for me to continue to care about detailed inspection of a universe whose writer has long-since abandoned it --- why do we care about this more than GRRM does?
GRRM is old mate. Maybe he just doenst care about writing again.
Of all the differences the GoT writers made with the og canon, outrage about Black Velaryons is such a werid hill to die on.
Clearly you never read the books 😂 Salladhor was white in the books
That character was only black in the HBO show, not in the book.
@@christopherlewis1315 the actor killed it, people do forget this is all made up
A racist hill I would say
@@paulosanfe facts, a real mask off moment
No one will take my dragons 🐉 🔥👸🐲🐲🐉
I dont think it will be at the level of GoT but we will see. The books at least are golden.
So far it’s been trash
Honestly as far as the casting.,, George RR Martin is working closely with this show, so if He signed off approval of the casting, there should be not arguments about it after that.
For some reason i dig the casting of the velaryons, for some reasonthey look more magical thanthe targaryens
Nahhhh nah dude what are you smoking ??
I want to see another majestic creature. .. Maybe velaryon riding a sea dragon. That would be crazy dope
I wanna See that too 💯✅✅
actually its a good idea to them bonding with sea dragons
Can’t wait for your new video! Been rewatching your video couple of time alr! Would love more GOT or Dune content!
I think it would make an interesting video to have a list of all of the characters from Game of Thrones who could have possibly been alive in the time of the prequel and may make an appearance.
only Melisandre is alive both in HOTD and GOT
Aemon might be in it as well but rather close to the very end as a newborn
Making the connection of his ship being called Sea Snake and Nagga's bones being a (wrecked) ship made from weirwood trees.
So making him black is making him what people want to see 😂
Black or white; the actor they chose was awesome
Corleys becoming black ruins continuity. The Velaryons and Targaryons have been mixing the families for generations, the Barathions have also married Velaryons in the past a few times. This brown washing would have many complications. There would be a lot more black people in Westeros.
They planned to make all white but looking at the actors they thought fucking hell they're too many white sliver heads running around. I can see why they changed it. You don't want confuse the casual viewers. They might as well added the Witcher in there.
@@Abdi-libaax I get what you're saying but that just makes it sound like they think the average viewers are idiots. If they think we're stupid, should we watch their drivel?
Wow they really nailed the screen character adaptation!! I love being reminded that Whites aren’t allowed to have their own culture with any sort of exclusivity
Sounds like affirmative action destroyed the prequel before it even started fuck it i ain't watching it now
What you mean “all our bitching.”
Right? He just outed himself
Regarding the issue of race I would like to remind people that Martin originally wanted to write them as black people with white hair and purple eyes. Is it so far fetched the the Velaryon's now represent what he initially wanted and now gets to see in a different form?
Martin had that idea while shitting on a toilet but he didnt go with it. They made them white, pale, with silver hair. Stop crying and trying to dig, they are no black and never were
yes, cuz martin didnt write them as he ''originally intendet'' obviously, they just change shit just to change it. its the same as what d&d did and look where that ended
@@whocares1839 if Martin wanted them to be black then leave it y’all so sensitive about it
“Wanted” He wrote in the book they are pale skinned with silver hair
@@lorddaquanofhouserastafari4177 I have no clue of that but he did state that he wanted the velaryons to be black
I want a animated series about sea sanke ❤❤
The white guy drawing looks cooler
Generic deviant art depiction, really?
Him being black makes the story so much better (biased opinion).
@allenlowe314 nah not really black people can't swim everyone knows that
Anyone bitching about the casting can show me where, in canon, it says where Corlys' mother and her family was from. They can't. So if the show is to say her side came from Summer Islander heritage, thats just as valid as anything else.
Just let the man act ffs.
It really doesn’t matter who Corlys’ mother was because the Velaryons being black doesn’t change the story in any way shape or form. Rhaenyra’s sons on the show look like description in the books and none of Corlys’ descendants get to sit on throne. Sure Aegon III marries a Velaryon but their sons die before they can have sons of their own and the throne passes to Viserys.
The people bitching about this change just want to be annoying. I’d understand if it affected the story but it literally doesn’t.
@@FlashingLightss Exactly, it has zero affect on the story at all. Its classic "im mad coz my fave isn't white" bullshit with a hysterically pathetic "bUt iTs bReAkInG tHe lOrE" veil thrown on top. It doesn't break the lore, people are just dumbasses.
@@jazzycat8917 Absolutely. They keep bringing up Rhaenyra’s sons’ paternity but the boys are being played by white actors with brown hair so how does that affect the story? No one whose bitched about the change has given a logical reason as to why they think it will ruin the story.
They are breaking the story. Turning white into black. Its discrimination.
Fr bro so many ppl getting butthurt over a simple casting of a character… I’ll never understand people who hate on shows before they’ve even been released
It made no sense to make the character a black dude. It takes me, the viewer, out of the story while looking at this black dude with a ridiculous white wig. 😂
Maybe Salvador Saan was a distant relative of the velayrions
As a black person we love to see inclusion true. But in this case it would have been preferable for you to stick with the illustrations from the book. Even to us readers who are black that would make more sense.
there are too many white sliver heads running around I can see why they changed it up.
@@Abdi-libaax did you have trouble telling the starks from the lannisters appart because they're white?
What about all of the other GOT/HOTD characters that don’t fit their description in the books?
The show runners probably just really want to prove they are not racist and be woke by casting a black actor to a white character. Passive racism 🤣
Valeryons being black is dope and adheres to lore. The silver hair and purple eyes have been theorized as a genetic defect due to the intersplicing of the dragon genes through blood magic, as opposed to a distinct characterization all Valyrions have.
Why couldn't they have just cast an accurate actor that corresponds with the books? That being said that actor looks like he can fill the role well I just hope this show is good man
Because black lives Matter or whatever the hell it is
@@rizkymubaroq3025 Ooof triggered
@@ianvera4299 i dont know man your the one whose been commenting on this video for literal weeks coping. Hope Tyrone lets you play on your switch tonight 👍
@@GlizzyGoblin757 Yet you can not even show me in the canon where it describes Corlys physical appearance or parentage. Ill wait....
It didn't give him a physical appearance . Plus Martin even said he considered making black on paper
more like - how Corlys Velaryon became black out of the blue
Geographically it doesn’t make sense for people from Valyria to have pale skin as it is in the books so I mean idk if it’s so much of a problem for the show to make the valerions to be black. I mean if they were pale skinned it would be more accurate to the book but them being darker makes more sense like geographically. So what I’m trying to say is it’s fantasy and so it doesn’t really matter who is what color in either a book or a movie, like daario was meant to have purple hair and he doesn’t in the show, like yk it don’t matter. And this way dark skinned people can have characters in got that are more representative to them so I think it’s all good as long as the characters are portrayed well and written well
FACTS
The show is going to be riddled with woke politics. It's going to tank harder than GOT season 8.
@@intermilan9731 triggered lol
@@ianvera4299 Only two genders exist.
@@intermilan9731 Corlys is black
Definitely not Black. Sorry.
Race swapping a character for the sake of diversity shows you how the entertainment industry is losing ideas.
In the end, Corlys becomes Shazam
Honestly i like the white one better because i find no logic in the velaryons being black
I just find it so funny about all the complaints that Corlys Velaryon will be played by a black man in the show, yet movies like the gods of "Egypt" have all white casts
@@rodellberry1151 and how good was that movie?
@@rodellberry1151 lmao, the only argument ever.. The gods of egypt - a movie nobody gives a shit about.
@@rodellberry1151 I just find it so funny when people try to play the "what about this" game to try to make a cogent point.
Maybe I’m trippin but they could have made everyone in the show Asian and I still would watch bc I love the story that much. End of the day no reason to get ur panties twisted it’s just fiction. Not even fully biased in real history like gods of Egypt
What happened to his house? We hear nothing of them in got
They were cut from the show.
They're backing Stannis but they're not all too relevant.
Heres a interesting thing i found yall could consider, Ryan Condal himself explained the change, saying:
" long ago when he was conceiving of this world, Martin himself had considered the idea of making Velaryons a race of Black people with silver hair that essentially came from the other side of the ocean and conquered Westeros. That's a fascinating idea and that always really stuck with me because it's such a stark image. I just thought, 'Well, why couldn't we do a version of that now?'"
Yeah just like JK Rowling had imagined Hermione to be black and a gay Dumbledore.
GRRM has admitted himself that he's based Targaryens are Tolkien's elves
Great vids 😄
I have absolutely nothing against black actors and the more the merrier but he should not have been cast as black. It messes up the timeline mutiple ways. His family has interwed and interbreed with the targayians for generations. They should all
Be mixed at this point if his family was truly black. Also it makes the subplot with lenor and raeneys boys are his or not, mute. If they were lenors they would would be mixed. The boys shown in the show are white. No longer a “could” they be lenora or breakbones sons but have to be breakbones’s sons bc they are white and not mixed. Im sure this actor is a hell of an actor and will prolly do a good job in the show portraying corlious persona but i think shows should follow the source material. Now makes me wonder what else they have changed from the books.
Dude spent so much time under the sun that he turned black
Unlike J.K Rowling, GRRM is pretty descriptive when writing his characters. He even goes as far as to describe the literal details in the fabric on the clothes of some characters. I will never understand why black people are desperate to turn blatantly white characters black. And this is just not a problem in House of the Dragon but in American media in general.
its easier than inventing new characters.
GRRM co-created the show. Maybe post your question on his blog.
Corlys is not described as white my friend. He is described as having silver hair and purple eyes, nothing about colour. One reference says some are pale, not white.
You're so racist that you don't realise that it wasn't black people who changed the character. I never even heard of these characters until I saw the trailer. I have even seen videos and comments from black people not happy with this change but you'll ignore that.
@@GlizzyGoblin757 No it's lazier not to even try. This what happens when studio's care more about profit than making quality product which ultimately creates said profit and makes all parties happy. It's not a money problem either because they have tons of it and there are plenty of struggling writers available.
This might be head cannon but what if Corlys claimed/fled from the cannibal when he visited assahi. I’m kinda confused on how to how they survived all the terrible shit there
Thanks. I love this character.. it just doesn't make sense. Countries like this didn't have the kind of diversity we see in the modern world. And even in a 21st century world its very new and has problems. I can only think of two real world examples of royal interracial marriages. British a few years ago and Africa in the 1950s . And both had issues. Even a marriage between a Lannister and baratheon or a stark and a Tully are a big deal. The starks have only married outside the north two or three times.. that said the actor is very good . I have seen him in other things. Its just race ( ethnic) or gender swaps are always a bad idea in principle.
You are forgetting one important thing about all of this it’s all made up don’t take it too seriously
@@Shockingbeard oh like the various film and television shows based on real people. ( they cast a black actress as queen of England) or a another was a fall of troy they cast a black actor as Greek prince Achilles. Or another was a Shakespeare adaptation of Henry the fifth. One of the kings brothers was a black actor. Just one of the boys but white parents. If it is all fiction and doesn't matter then why change it ? They do it because it does matter. It propaganda. Of a sort and its rasist. How about all the redheads. How many examples before it does it require ? I recall very heated complaints about black characters changed into white actors. Whitewashing was the term they used. They were only fiction. Pure hypocrisy. And then people attempt to gaslight over it . Once apon a time i might have ignored it but now its a pattern. They were even debating it in parliament in England. ( erasure of positive male role models in popular entertainment. Gender swaps or negative role models. Accusof toxic masculinity. I saw a wonderful video yesterday about the strong female characters issue in popular entertainment. Some people believe the bible is a work of fiction. ( how many people have died over religion ? ) its not nothing is it .
This is fantasy, not a middle age documentary, there wasn't any dragons either in these countries ^^'
@@Guitaristmalakian fantasy based on real history and events. ( apart from the dragons) and its light fantasy. But most of game of thrones and its characters were based on historical figures and events. Every fictional story even fantasy has a logical or realistic familiar environment. Even the dragons have lore and rules. . So whats your justification for historical period shows non fantasy with race swaps ? . Dragons is a really bad point. Its still a 13th century environment. ( at this point) its still based on England or western Europe isn't it ? . Dance of the dragons / the anarchy. War of the five kings/wars of the roses.
@@shanenolan8252 That's my point, the word realism doesnt make sense here.
This is a made up world, even if it's "inspired" by ours, there can be dozens of reasons why there would be blacks or asians or red colored people mixed up with european inspired race
They can do whatever they want
Don’t ever stop making these please
If he’s white in the books then he should be white in the show, end of story. If people want to see more representation etc then write your own novels.
He’s not a dragonlord, so he can have any skin color.
“Valyrians are famous for having silver-gold hair and violet-purple eyes, characteristics not found amongst any other peoples of the world. This can vary from white to silver-gold to blond hair, and from lilac, to deep purple, and pale blue eyes. The most noble of Valyrians were considered strikingly, some say inhumanly,[1] beautiful”
From the official wiki on the appearance of a Valyrian (not a dragonlord), funny how skin color Is not mentioned. :)
@Pedro Fernandes refer back to my previous comment. Normal Valyrians have no skin color description, so it’s irrelevant, also it’s irrelevant to the plot of the story, nothing changes because he’s black.
GRRM approved the casting and he’s heavily involved. His work, his choice.
@@lordofmadness5346 they went one step further and gave you the actual description of the characters themselves. You’re wrong, accept it.
@@AS-ri1mb yet his skin color does not change the plot in anyway, so it doesn’t matter, he’s not a dragonlord.
If his skin color bothers you, that’s a problem you gotta deal with, not me.
Haven’t met anybody who was upset he’s black. This is the first I’m hearing of it, In your video. Lol
Me too
There is no need for diversity in media. Add I if you want it, but if you make a work without it that's fine too. People only get pissed when you change things, typically by adding melanin or more X chromosomes..
Weird take
@@bonzupippinpaddleopsicopol8094 you're an aborigines woman now, enjoy your recast.
@@thezerowulf2046 you're a triggered snowflake now, enjoy your- oh wait you've always been this.
@@bonzupippinpaddleopsicopol8094 No it isnt. Diversity is not necessary
@@GlizzyGoblin757 you do realize what this person means by diversity is just non-white or non-male actors right? Diversity is important for representation, and while it’s not “necessary” to a show’s writing prowess or success, it is by extension very stale, unnecessary and Euro-centric. Diversity should be the norm and shows shouldn’t be classified as “woke” it should just be normal. You don’t look around at society and say oh it’s woke, just because the population consists of people from different ethnicities do you? Other than well…racism, why is diversity an actual problem?
it is possible for black people to mate with a navel faction that travels to world of GoT, the actor is during a fantastict job !
Since when is Corlys VELARYON from Sothoryos?
Since HBO threw more money at Martin so he can afford them cheeseburgers.
He's going to outlive his oldest children ,his wife and his future Queen and King.
I'll watch it if they recast with more accurate actors. It's a fictional story they can just write in characters with more backstory like Bronn. Not a main lead described as white. After reading it it ruins the immersion so I have no interest.
Jesus Christ!! Get over the skin color dude. If Corlys was blue or purple he’d still be a badass character
Be cool to see a sea dragon
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I don’t care about his skin color. I love the way the actor is portraying the character 😊