Heresy Disguised as Tradition w/ Pedro Gabriel
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- Heresy Disguised as Tradition w/ Pedro Gabriel
Michael Lofton interviews Pedro Gabriel about the phenomenon of heresy disguised as tradition. They address issues related to fake news, the crisis in the catholic church, and Pope Francis.
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I belong to a church and we do a Latin Mass .. I don’t call us heretical I call Pope Francis a pope who follows the modern times ie; the lost instead of following Jesus Christ… so pope Francis is following the LOST
well, that's just the same fallacy as claiming he is a heretic.....and in both cases, what you are doing (which you don't see), is proclaiming that the Church is not of Divine origin, and is not.eternally protected from. error by Jesus Christ, as is recorded in Holy Scripture.
Is this church in communion with Rome?
You should check out my book and see who in the past had the exact same rhetoric. You’ll be surprised
@@pedrogabrielwriter I watched this interview yesterday and two hours later I had your book ordered, can't wait to get it and start reading!
This was outstanding. You should consider interviewing Mr. Gabriel more often. You and him seem in total synch in outlooks. I think you make a great team.
Pedro laid down some serious truths. It’s refreshing to hear truth spoken from other Catholics ❤
Take a tour on this post, and tell me what you make out of the comments there:
Pope Francis on blessing same-sex couples: “I bless two people who love each other” (Rome Reports Feb, 8, 2024)
@@therealong I’ve seen worse lol. At least people aren’t going into open schism
@@thetruthbrigade007
They're either not responding, or beating around the bush nonstop! lol. There are some few that are dangerous, even challenging the Church, and call it "sect".
If I'd count the comments there since Feb. 8th, I've made the most number of comments among the over 300 of today.
If you could select one short and perfect Michael's video to recommend them, I'll paste them the title. YT doesn't let me post links, and comments often disappear. I'm typing with a small substitute laptop with less than 1 GB of memory. so you can imagine! Looking forward to your participation. C Ya!
Great interview because many "Catholics in the Pews" often don't know their own History.
Sooooo, basically the source every single time is hubristic Pride....
....Self-righteous, self-proclaimed "Purity". Elevating one's feelings above the Magisterium. I keep saying the Catholic Church has split into Catholics and Cathostants (Catholics viewing Catholicism through the lens of Evangelical Protestant fundamentalism).
That’s a good way to phrase it.
Pedro really kicked the ball out of the park in this interview with his explanation of how he chose the book's cover. I bought the kindle version and I've been seeing that cover through several social media outlets. The feature that stands out is the face of the old woman with the long and curved nose. Then comes what could have been a tricky question sent to Michael. With his detailed explanation, which happens to make a lot of sense i conveying the book's subject, Pedro shows that he put as much effort into selecting the cover, as in researching and writing this book.
A major red flag of the traditionalist movement is their criticism against the living magisterium (aka The Pope) and the unnecessary and excessive devotion to “tradition”, or rather, what they interpret tradition to be.
This is Protestantism in its newest form.
Sounds like a great book, will look into it. I've seen some of the nonsense you've had to put up with, in comment sections and other things etc. You can definitely tell where the Holy Spirit is and isn't, by seeing how people talk to others and about others. Some have no supernatural charity and it shows. (I was in this camp not long ago) You're doing great work, and I appreciate that you're consistent and havent changed. . Would you ever consider asking Fr. Stephen Imbarrato to come on? He has been getting flak for defending the pope for a few months now. He talks about his change of heart he had about his attitude towards the pope sometime last year. He's mentioned you in some of his videos as well. Keep up this very important work, I will definitely check out this book, God Bless
I love Fr. Imbarrato! Boy, he’s blunt about these folks in dissent from the Pope, isn’t he?😬😄
Awesome guest & discussion. Thanks, Michael.🙏❤️
An excellent book cover! Conveys very well the falsehood of traditionalists and vindicates the meaning of true tradition.
Pedro, I love how you explain things in detail and truthfully! Thank you!
I feel that the charism of safety extends to the College of Bishops insofar as it is merely authentic or ordinary (ex. Most of Vatican II) since that too is confirmed by Peter.
Keep up the good work, Michael.
I feel like accusing someone of heresy has become as commonplace as accusing someone of fascism.
Or racism.
Or blasphemy.
thanks for the truth about the pacha mama "scandal".....I plan to get this book.
Love the book cover!❤
Wow, I didn't know Pedro but God bless him! He's not only material cancer but also some malign spitritual cancers with his therapy and his wise Catholic Chemotherapy.
How would we know what heresy was if the pope didn't tell us.
@RuthenianCatholic333 yes I am. Who's the authority who has decided what heresy was historically. It's been the pope and his magesterium.
@RuthenianCatholic333 I never said that the pope is the fullness of the church, but you have to have a leader. You have to have a person who calls councils and signs off decisions and teachings. They don't all come from him, but he says whether they are truth or not. Jesus prayed for peters faith. One tax paid for both Peter and christ when entering Jerusalem. They act as one. Why the chair of peter binds on earth is bound in heaven. The orthodox church can't come together and make decisions together because they don't have the pope to call councils or finalize them. There were more than a few councils that were held that rome didn't didn't so were official councils until the teachings were read and approved by the pope. Some never became official.
@RuthenianCatholic333 The pope is the one that called them, and the popes infalability was taught at many of them. I think it was the council of Ephesus that said the chair of peter will not be defiled until the end. The orthodox churches hold to these councils that teach papal supremacy but ignore it today. They say first among equals, but they can't even define what that means.
@RuthenianCatholic333 so you're a bizentine Catholic, and you disagree with rome. Makes you a poor Catholic. I think you should reflect on the worf catholic
Great interview 💪
I’m looking forward to diving into Pedro’s book 👌
He denies the Ancient Alien theory (at 21:00)! No, say it ain't so, say it ain't so! I was counting on getting the autographs of all the Ancient Aliens.
lol😂
Many of the ‘trads’ criticising the Pope don’t seem to know the faith much at all.
I had to explain to some earlier that just because you have a distant relative that is either a declared Saint or died before the age of reason after Baptism so we know they also are Saints doesn’t equal to you being a Holy person.
These people I was talking to genuinely think that piggybacking off some relative that is a Saint somehow makes you Holy on earth and will also be a Saint is insane and goes against Scripture - even Saint Paul didn’t take his salvation for granted and clearly told us our faith can be shipwrecked (1 Timothy 1:19), departed from (1 Timothy 4:1), disowned (1 Timothy 5:8) wandered/erred from (1 Timothy 6:10), and missed/erred from (1 Timothy 6:21).
It is crazy that you have encountered such people, I have never met anyone who had these beliefs.
I haven't met anyone with a relative who was a Saint either. But it's easy to fall into the trap of judging by externals, and by appearances.
@@MarilynBoussaid-yd1vk I have two Saints for definite in heaven in my family - they died after Baptism but before the age of reason (one as a baby and one as a toddler)
So I trust the wisdom of Christs bride in that they went straight to heaven because they were baptised and not accountable due to not reaching the age of reason so not guilty of personal sin.
@irishandscottish1829
I wasn’t thinking of that sort of Saint. I thought you meant canonized Saints whose names are recognizable.
@@MarilynBoussaid-yd1vk I stated both scenarios in my original comment…
Didn't the Tridentine Mass itself go through multiple "innovation" or changes ?
Prior to the 1940s, yes, there were some changes. Compared to anything that followed, they were relatively minor (especially when compared to the NO), but yes, they did happen.
Anyone interested in Tradition and its meaning - read Cardinal Yves Congar's "The Meaning of Tradition". Congar was one of the major theological minds at work ahead of Vatican II in the Catholic Church (together with the likes of de Lubac). The Dominican Yves Congar also wrote "Tradition and Traditions: the biblical, Historical, and Theological Evidence for Catholic Teaching on Tradition"
Even if trads are 100% correct, what one does in the 1 hour of mass, doesn't necessitate what the do for the other 167 hours of the week.
Jesus was contridicted why wouldnt t Pope Francis experience the same I dont listen to anyone who trashes the Pope nor do I argue with those that do I
I am trying to take FS with a hermeneutic of continuity (as I see its danger) but I’m afraid I don’t think it is hilarious that people write things like FS off as “pope-splaining” at all as it is very serious to take an heretical position. I cannot see that it is laughable.
FIducia Supplicans did not change anything in the moral teachings of the Church. It was written because for years the Pope has been answering questions from those German bishops and others, who continued to ask the same questions he had already answered -- questions about blessings gay unions, and so on. The Document FS clarified (if people had read it carefully) that there was no change to the teachings of the Church on marriage, that the Church cannot bless sin, and it gave specific instructions for blessings of those in irregular relationships, permitting blessings of individuals, but not of couples, not blessing the relationship, not blessing the union. The document was very explicit and perfectly clear even to me, an ordinary lay Catholic, as ignorant as I am of theology and legal language. The problem arose when the media leaped to erroneous conclusions without studying the document. Anyone who listens to the media, including Catholic media, without doing their own research, is going to be brainwashed. I suggest you read the document carefully. It's available online in English, and is not very long. If I could read and understand it, so can you.
To quote Cardinal Yves Congar "The walls of separation don't reach as high as heaven....."
I applaud the breadth of your knowledge! Too many ignore the great contributions of men like Cardinal Conger or Cardinal de Lubac. Congar's book The Meaning of Tradition needs to be promoted again and again. Here is one of the minds behind the Vatican II Dogmatic Constitution on Devine Revelation - Dei Verbum.
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In the case of fiducia supplicans, it’s true no theological errors are found in it
But the issue is in the presumed fact that nearly all ppl, Catholic or not, will pay attention to the sound bites in reports, the heading in articles and pictures in various media that suggests the Church “has finally gotten up with the times”
The whole thing sends the wrong message
Again, no errors in FS but VERY FEW take time to look into that
Also, FS really didn’t settle an issue that sinners can be blessed individually
It seem that FS supplies opportunity for the attention whores that want to be noticed that they “can now be blessed” when this already existed 🤷🏼♂️
FS didn’t really NEED to be promulgated but in reality it has preempted a platform for sketchy behavior being blessed
Of course, I know, the clergyman has the discretion per individual
But the “couples” pics, sound bits and headings are ssoooo damaging
Lord help us!!🙏🏻
The German Bishops had to be addressed - FS addressed the German Bishops making it clear they cannot do what they were doing/trying to do.
Just because Catholics can’t be bothered going to the primary source and instead rely on MSM or their favourite catholic scandal porn provider for distorted views on the document - that is not the fault of Christs bride, that is a personal failing on every catholic who does that and feeds into it and believes it.
Fiducia Supplicans has become a “sign that is opposed” so that “thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.”
FS was needed to combat the errors of the Germans. It makes so much more sense when you read it that way, but I would say that it shouldn’t have been needed.
The Internet is a vast place, and I see just a little piece of it.
So, I have seen Fr, James Martin's photo of his version of a "spontaneous, informal" blessing, and I have seen 2 (or 2 of the same event?) from 2021 in front of a cathedral in Germany, of a blessing of a same-sex couple.
Have there been any others?
As others have pointed out, the German bishops forced this. The one place I would have recommended an improvement is by replacing the word couple with group. After all, a group of pilgrims could surely receive such a blessing and have. A group can also be just two people. So nothing pastoral would have changed and I would assume we would have avoided a lot of the controversy. Of course those reading it with the hermeneutic of malice still would find something to carp on.
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