That mine cart area would have been an awesome entrance to Gnasty's boss area! I wonder why they cut it? Anyway, thanks so much for showing it! I love this game and am always happy to learn more about it
What I don't get is why they changed him from running after you to just making him stand still, it didn't really make sense even when I played this as a kid I thought it was weird :P Anyway the demo looks awesome! :D
Looks like this Gnasty Gnorc battle is even earlier than the unused one in that other demo, indicating that this demo was made before the other one, in my eyes anyway. I also noticed some other oddities as well: - Gnasty Gnorc's attack pattern in all three of his phases has pretty much been finalized at this point, other than the scrapped tactic of him running up to you for an easy hit. The later demo still had the animation of him running, but he no longer moved from the center of the arena, and the final removed the animation completely. - Looks like there was initially only three in battle cutscenes instead of four like the later demo and final, with them taking place before the battle, as Gnasty Gnorc changed to his third phase, and after his defeat, missing the cutscene that happens when he changes to his second phase that the later demo and final had. Thankfully the completely blue placeholder screen here changed to a more acceptable one in the later demo, having the words "PLACEHOLDER CUTSCENE" over the blue background. The final implemented all of the cutscenes fully. - The low grunts and roars were obviously placeholders until the final voiceovers could be implemented, even managing to survive in the later demo. - The arena looks like a very rough draft here, not really sporting anything other than rocky walls. Plus, it's WAY smaller than the later demo's and final's arena, which I bet made it even harder to dodge Gnasty Gnorc's attacks, including the scrapped running up to you tactic, which is probably why they enlarged the arena in the later demo and final. - One attack during Gnasty Gnorc's third phase has only been partially implemented here. The long electric beam does come out, but Gnasty Gnorc does his "slam the ground three times" animation during the attack instead of his "staying still and only moving left and right" animation, which I guess hasn't been implemented yet. The later demo and beyond would fully implement the attack. - The minecarts were probably scrapped pretty early on between this demo and the later, seeing as both of them are completely missing textures.
+birby100 Cool stuff! Can't fit it in the video but it's nice to have a direct comparison to the other beta+final. =) And one little trivia-bite: The low grunts and roars might not have been placeholders! IIRC, Gnasty makes similar noises in the intro, either in the demo or the final version (can't remember). Additionally, the dragon who teaches you the Pole Spin has a completely different personality and completely different lines. I think it's very likely that the game's story and characters were changed a lot throughout development (leading to the unexplained, vague 'plot line' that the final game has today, wherein Spyro doesn't learn a single thing about who he's actually fighting against. =P) See the Cut Dialogue folder in my Dropbox if you wanna hear the lines =3
That unused boss music though? Ugh. I really wish it was used throughout the actual boss battle with Gnasty Gnorc. While the battle with Red keeps that very cool BGM that sounds melodic and has a choir in it. And, whom knows what else from there?
Lol, I never understood Gnasty Gnorc in this game because my introduction to Spyro was the third game, and well, I never played the original until about 5 years after I got this game!
I would have completely lost it if you started exploring the rest of the cave while Gnasty was still alive! Just imagine if he was still chasing you during all of that...
Now that it's 2024 and another 10 years has nearly passed, I just wanted to come back here to bring up what the captions are talking about around 2:10 and point out that this video is now about as old as AHT was when it was uploaded. We've all become even older. :(
I wish you would send that track at 1:02 to me. Because I believe if it were for a hack, I'd use this track for the battle against Red the Evil Dragon or something.
I swore to gosh that the unused boss theme right there when you fight Gnasty Gnorc, I think it was supposed to be Gnasty Gnorc's boss theme from the beginning, which might mean the one that IS used was supposed to be saved for Red The Evil Dragon and maybe totally not Mecha-Red.
And he's back! Even if it's just for 3 videos, but still! It's always interesting watching beta videos. I still want to find/see someone find a Crash 3 full beta if one exists. Crash 2 did anyway.
Same, love Spyro 3! Maybe we'd see the midnight mountain whirlwind to get the the island which the Super Bonus round was on. I wonder what other changes the game had...
Hey in the original trailer there is a Red battle in an inferno-like room that never made it into the final game. Is there a file you could find similar to the Gnasty beta battle?
Tom Hindle Sadly no, I recorded all the main levels I could find here. =( There's always a chance that this kind of stuff could be related to realm5a and 5b though; we just don't have any information or content on that realm/level/copypaste of another level/cutscene/anything yet.
Gnasty sounds different, in the final version he doesn't go running after you. The mine cart bit was super cool.... may your soul be blessed LX. Also, Flame isn't here....I am think... do you think that Flame and Ember were last minute add ins? I mean we saw nether of them, do you think there were going to be more young dragons in the game? Were Ember or Flame even mentioned in the codes at all?
Yeah, Flame and Ember were definitely last-minute additions. I think, being made by Eurocom, they suffered from Rilla Roo syndrome -- extra characters added in last minute with no real backstory. =( I haven't seen any references to them in the code, but it wouldn't have surprised me if I found files called 'redspyro.edb' or 'pinkspyro.edb' in there. =P But on a more positive note, Blink is playable in this demo! He has a red hat instead of a blue one and is called 'Blinky', like in the GBA Fusion games (I think). Other than that I think he's the same as the final version =) Happy New Year. =D
King Dray Hey I read ya. =) I'm not planning any more A Hero's Tail explorations unless I discover something new (realm5a and realm5b!!). Blink is mostly the same other than the differences I mentioned before; they're all very minor so I'm not gonna make a new video for them. Sorry about that =(
LXShadow That's alright, I understand. Thanks for at least taking the time to make these videos, they were awesome! :) Hopefully some light will be shed on realm5a and realm5b in the future.
I realized there is a hidden part or something for red and a snow level here are some screenshots I found RED: i.neoseeker.com/p/Games/Playstation_2/Action/Adventure/spyro_a_heros_tail_image26.jpg Mammoth as an enemy: i.neoseeker.com/p/Games/Xbox/Action/Adventure/spyro_a_heros_tail_image20.jpg
Cool stuff! If memory serves, isn't the red part just the third boss? (haven't played through this game in a long time) The mammoth picture I saw way back. That's probably some part of the third home world with the mammoth moved. I wonder if the mammoth was originally a common enemy, or an ally? Or maybe the original third boss? His appearance in the final game is weirdly brief, but then I think AHT's story was broken and lost somewhere in development. I think I remember most Red conversations going something like this: Spyro: Hey, tell me about Red. Crazy elder dragon: Ah, yes, Red was once an elder. He's pretty bad. Spyro: ...and? Crazy elder dragon: Hush dragon, run along now, also kill Red. -gently sips tea- Rinse and repeat and in the end you hurt Red until you can squeeze him into a jar. The end. I bet the mammoth probably fell foul of some script throwouts in a similar way.
" Hush dragon, run along now, also kill Red. gently sips tea" I pictured this part xD And like yea that is the boss of red but I don't think I ever seen him in that pose in-game he always seems to be like crouching when she is standing still and I remember something also it was from an early trailer where instead of the floor being ice it was this: gyazo.com/b54c7449d741ad01469f264356760f5e For the mammoth I have a save file with everything completed I checked that area to see if there is anything I missed and there wasn't. Also I think you can somehow use the Enter the dragonfly model in hero's tail since there is suppose to be 2 spyro files called "Spyro" and "Spyronew"
Hmm you're probably right in terms of Red, tbh my memory isn't good enough to notice. Boss fights are often done in later stages of development, especially final boss fights, so it's natural that they change. The mammoth character isn't properly in the game anymore, but there's a chance he used to have a different meaning in earlier versions. I've seen Spyronew, can't recall if I ever tried swapping them, but I don't expect it to be EtD's model because another team made EtD, I could be wrong though. I've been shown the music inconsistency before, but I reckon realm5's files are much too big to just be Hunter's area! So I have high hopes still =) The hacks are PS2-only and PAL-only probably. Wait, did I post them somewhere? Can't remember xD sorry I'm not of much help, it's been a while!
There's no Red on the demo discs, but there are undeciphered files, realm5a and realm5b (or something like that), which look like level files and could have anything. Of course someone needs to figure out how to read those files first ^^
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I prefer this version to the final, it has him not stay in the centre for the whole fight and his own theme song to go along with it.
That mine cart area would have been an awesome entrance to Gnasty's boss area! I wonder why they cut it? Anyway, thanks so much for showing it! I love this game and am always happy to learn more about it
Thanks you all for the support! Making these videos and the commentary was a little scary due to my general weirdidity, so I'm glad you enjoyed it! =>
I MISSED YOU MAN!
Thank you for the interesting content and your witty commentary! Your videos always put a smile on my face!
What I don't get is why they changed him from running after you to just making him stand still, it didn't really make sense even when I played this as a kid I thought it was weird :P Anyway the demo looks awesome! :D
Looks like this Gnasty Gnorc battle is even earlier than the unused one in that other demo, indicating that this demo was made before the other one, in my eyes anyway.
I also noticed some other oddities as well:
- Gnasty Gnorc's attack pattern in all three of his phases has pretty much been finalized at this point, other than the scrapped tactic of him running up to you for an easy hit. The later demo still had the animation of him running, but he no longer moved from the center of the arena, and the final removed the animation completely.
- Looks like there was initially only three in battle cutscenes instead of four like the later demo and final, with them taking place before the battle, as Gnasty Gnorc changed to his third phase, and after his defeat, missing the cutscene that happens when he changes to his second phase that the later demo and final had. Thankfully the completely blue placeholder screen here changed to a more acceptable one in the later demo, having the words "PLACEHOLDER CUTSCENE" over the blue background. The final implemented all of the cutscenes fully.
- The low grunts and roars were obviously placeholders until the final voiceovers could be implemented, even managing to survive in the later demo.
- The arena looks like a very rough draft here, not really sporting anything other than rocky walls. Plus, it's WAY smaller than the later demo's and final's arena, which I bet made it even harder to dodge Gnasty Gnorc's attacks, including the scrapped running up to you tactic, which is probably why they enlarged the arena in the later demo and final.
- One attack during Gnasty Gnorc's third phase has only been partially implemented here. The long electric beam does come out, but Gnasty Gnorc does his "slam the ground three times" animation during the attack instead of his "staying still and only moving left and right" animation, which I guess hasn't been implemented yet. The later demo and beyond would fully implement the attack.
- The minecarts were probably scrapped pretty early on between this demo and the later, seeing as both of them are completely missing textures.
+birby100 Cool stuff! Can't fit it in the video but it's nice to have a direct comparison to the other beta+final. =)
And one little trivia-bite: The low grunts and roars might not have been placeholders! IIRC, Gnasty makes similar noises in the intro, either in the demo or the final version (can't remember). Additionally, the dragon who teaches you the Pole Spin has a completely different personality and completely different lines. I think it's very likely that the game's story and characters were changed a lot throughout development (leading to the unexplained, vague 'plot line' that the final game has today, wherein Spyro doesn't learn a single thing about who he's actually fighting against. =P)
See the Cut Dialogue folder in my Dropbox if you wanna hear the lines =3
THERE WAS A POINT WHEN THIS GAME HAD HARD BOSSES?!
That unused boss music though? Ugh. I really wish it was used throughout the actual boss battle with Gnasty Gnorc. While the battle with Red keeps that very cool BGM that sounds melodic and has a choir in it.
And, whom knows what else from there?
Theese beta videos....! Just aaaahhhh... XD Thank you very much LXShadow!
Please make more videos! I like all your videos. :)
These new videos were great! I will always be a fan of yours!
Lol, I never understood Gnasty Gnorc in this game because my introduction to Spyro was the third game, and well, I never played the original until about 5 years after I got this game!
I would have completely lost it if you started exploring the rest of the cave while Gnasty was still alive! Just imagine if he was still chasing you during all of that...
These are fun to watch, thanks for making them : )
1:18 "Fire style! Flame-yo-ass no jutsu!" XD This is awesome! :D
Now that it's 2024 and another 10 years has nearly passed, I just wanted to come back here to bring up what the captions are talking about around 2:10 and point out that this video is now about as old as AHT was when it was uploaded. We've all become even older. :(
I loved the commentary :)
Also at 1:05, can somebody rip this music as well?
I wish you would send that track at 1:02 to me. Because I believe if it were for a hack, I'd use this track for the battle against Red the Evil Dragon or something.
The track's already on my Dropbox: www.dropbox.com/s/ai9h1goqsc8ypw3/realm1z_battle.mp3?dl=0
Thank you a lot.
I swore to gosh that the unused boss theme right there when you fight Gnasty Gnorc, I think it was supposed to be Gnasty Gnorc's boss theme from the beginning, which might mean the one that IS used was supposed to be saved for Red The Evil Dragon and maybe totally not Mecha-Red.
And he's back! Even if it's just for 3 videos, but still! It's always interesting watching beta videos. I still want to find/see someone find a Crash 3 full beta if one exists. Crash 2 did anyway.
I'd love to see that, and especially a Spyro 3 beta too. That game's my personal favourite in the series =)
Same, love Spyro 3! Maybe we'd see the midnight mountain whirlwind to get the the island which the Super Bonus round was on. I wonder what other changes the game had...
Hey in the original trailer there is a Red battle in an inferno-like room that never made it into the final game. Is there a file you could find similar to the Gnasty beta battle?
Tom Hindle Sadly no, I recorded all the main levels I could find here. =( There's always a chance that this kind of stuff could be related to realm5a and 5b though; we just don't have any information or content on that realm/level/copypaste of another level/cutscene/anything yet.
omg he was WAY more aggressive with his attacks
did anyone ever find what realm5a and realm5b are?
Gnasty sounds different, in the final version he doesn't go running after you. The mine cart bit was super cool.... may your soul be blessed LX. Also, Flame isn't here....I am think... do you think that Flame and Ember were last minute add ins? I mean we saw nether of them, do you think there were going to be more young dragons in the game? Were Ember or Flame even mentioned in the codes at all?
Yeah, Flame and Ember were definitely last-minute additions. I think, being made by Eurocom, they suffered from Rilla Roo syndrome -- extra characters added in last minute with no real backstory. =( I haven't seen any references to them in the code, but it wouldn't have surprised me if I found files called 'redspyro.edb' or 'pinkspyro.edb' in there. =P
But on a more positive note, Blink is playable in this demo! He has a red hat instead of a blue one and is called 'Blinky', like in the GBA Fusion games (I think). Other than that I think he's the same as the final version =)
Happy New Year. =D
LXShadow You may not see this reply, but if you do, could you make a part 4 to this with you playing as Blink? :)
King Dray Hey I read ya. =) I'm not planning any more A Hero's Tail explorations unless I discover something new (realm5a and realm5b!!). Blink is mostly the same other than the differences I mentioned before; they're all very minor so I'm not gonna make a new video for them. Sorry about that =(
LXShadow That's alright, I understand. Thanks for at least taking the time to make these videos, they were awesome! :) Hopefully some light will be shed on realm5a and realm5b in the future.
I realized there is a hidden part or something for red and a snow level here are some screenshots I found
RED: i.neoseeker.com/p/Games/Playstation_2/Action/Adventure/spyro_a_heros_tail_image26.jpg
Mammoth as an enemy: i.neoseeker.com/p/Games/Xbox/Action/Adventure/spyro_a_heros_tail_image20.jpg
Cool stuff! If memory serves, isn't the red part just the third boss? (haven't played through this game in a long time)
The mammoth picture I saw way back. That's probably some part of the third home world with the mammoth moved. I wonder if the mammoth was originally a common enemy, or an ally? Or maybe the original third boss? His appearance in the final game is weirdly brief, but then I think AHT's story was broken and lost somewhere in development. I think I remember most Red conversations going something like this:
Spyro: Hey, tell me about Red.
Crazy elder dragon: Ah, yes, Red was once an elder. He's pretty bad.
Spyro: ...and?
Crazy elder dragon: Hush dragon, run along now, also kill Red. -gently sips tea-
Rinse and repeat and in the end you hurt Red until you can squeeze him into a jar. The end. I bet the mammoth probably fell foul of some script throwouts in a similar way.
" Hush dragon, run along now, also kill Red. gently sips tea" I pictured this part xD
And like yea that is the boss of red but I don't think I ever seen him in that pose in-game he always seems to be like crouching when she is standing still and I remember something also it was from an early trailer where instead of the floor being ice it was this: gyazo.com/b54c7449d741ad01469f264356760f5e
For the mammoth I have a save file with everything completed I checked that area to see if there is anything I missed and there wasn't.
Also I think you can somehow use the Enter the dragonfly model in hero's tail since there is suppose to be 2 spyro files called "Spyro" and "Spyronew"
oh and this might help with the realms
gyazo.com/f14687e1e9b0b18212cd769c9c1d44d9
Also are the hacks/cheats ps2 only?
I'm trying to get it to work so I can try to rip some models from there
Hmm you're probably right in terms of Red, tbh my memory isn't good enough to notice. Boss fights are often done in later stages of development, especially final boss fights, so it's natural that they change. The mammoth character isn't properly in the game anymore, but there's a chance he used to have a different meaning in earlier versions.
I've seen Spyronew, can't recall if I ever tried swapping them, but I don't expect it to be EtD's model because another team made EtD, I could be wrong though.
I've been shown the music inconsistency before, but I reckon realm5's files are much too big to just be Hunter's area! So I have high hopes still =)
The hacks are PS2-only and PAL-only probably. Wait, did I post them somewhere? Can't remember xD sorry I'm not of much help, it's been a while!
I forgot how childish this gnasty gnorc is compared to the original
gNightrow this one is actually kind of terrifying when it runs after you
i like gnasy gnorc more from the ps1 version!
Can there be one for Red as seen in the trailer?
There's no Red on the demo discs, but there are undeciphered files, realm5a and realm5b (or something like that), which look like level files and could have anything. Of course someone needs to figure out how to read those files first ^^
This game ruined gnasty gnorc just like enter the dragonfly ruined ripto