I used to think Neace was overrated as hell, but watching Neace's patience when this person was spewing pure nonsense gave me a newfound sense of respect for what Neace has to put up with.
Yeah his advice in the thresh game was acctually pretty good aswell, but it still doenst change that he falsely advertises his coaching and in general (this one is not factual unlike the first statement but my subjective opinion) doesnt coach that well and mostly backseat games, i honestly feel him watching replays would be way more beneficial for his customers since he seems to analyze more and less just micro his students without teaching them anything.
@@XIplupIX true plus he charges sooo much when there are many underrated master/challenger level coaches willing to coach who would do a better job for just $20
@@peteypete9357 Nah, they dont do a better job - you want to know why? They arent reliable, for starters. They may know the game, but they arent around consistent enough to actually make coaching work. I have used a bunch of coaches from the coaching reddit and its the same story over and over again. The other reason is time is limited - supply and demand.
It's the classic issue of why a lot of people can't climb out of diamond. They then believe they are good, and blaim anything but themselves.That's how you stop improving. Pay attentiion next time you're watching real high elo players, you'll hear them reflect on situations, wondering what they should improve to not make it happen agai. And then there's the bucktards like this guy, who is completely dissilusioned.
They're real all right. Probably 0.01% of the community, but there's hundreds and hundreds just like him, lol -- Escape from IRL, in denial, whatever you want to call them. I give up on teaching them and call them idiots after they start making excuses for losing consistently against bronzes :O
As a former riot employee i can confirm i was the one that sent this man the email back in 2010 that told him he was really challenger but the whole league community was out to get him.
Me too 😢I just wasted the time for a movie on that x) I guess we like to suffer haha I think we were curious to get to the point of all this like Neace was... Such a weird thing, I mean, coaching is coaching not something else.
@@kenanhajdarevic2611 I hope so. But the way he talks is so spot on for an insane person. It'd actually be a work of art if he is acting all of this out.
@@kenanhajdarevic2611 He's not. I found out who he is. The stuff he said about being an infantryman and being as old as he said he is is completely right.
I’d only ever heard bad things about Neace. Surprised with Neace’s patience in the first half, and his sympathy in the second. At first I felt desperate to shake him by the shoulders to wake him up, but as time went on Neace noticed that nothing worked. No amount of shaking would wake him up. The blame was deflected and his delusion set in stone. At the end Neace clearly felt sorry for the man, and tried to genuinely help him by giving him down to earth advice. Shit, even Pants felt bad for the guy at the end. I learned a lot this video, and not about league Respect
@@VieneLea He's like how Gordon Ramsay is with Hell's Kitchen with professional chefs vs Chopped or with children. Gordon is way nicer to noobs or children, never yells. But when someone *should* know what the fuck they're doing, that's when he lets himself get angry. Same with Neace.
@@marikafukuroi86 when you charge 350 for coaching and you're actively advertising yourself as a Challenger player when you've peaked masters then yeah of course people would be angry at him
@@tselisas a brand new player neace videos have helped a ton. I would imagine experienced players would recognize that he was a coach for brand new players and dumbos. Let me know if there are other people who introduce the basics of league
I’m actually dumbfounded that there are people in bronze that legitimately think they should be 7 ranks higher than what they are let alone this dude who can’t take the fact that he has spent so many years on a game just to never improve to reach the conclusion that the only way it makes sense is that there is a conspiracy plot against him…
@@bruhl5709 Same. When you start recognizing that a good life leads to good gameplay it changes the perspective on spammimg games. Just started college and I feel like just learning stuff and being active in life gives me more purpose in my league grind. Which is cringe but cool.
SOMETIMES it can be understandable, like I for example was stuck in gold for since season 6 and bronze, silver in seasons 4 and 5 respectively. Since season 7 I knew I could hit diamond if i wanted to but just didn't wanted to waste so much time on league (normally i play like 20-30 ranked games per season). This season i'm proving that and i'm about 16 games away from diamond. In the past i've played multiple official tournaments with my friends and won some of them even against Challenger players so i had multiple occasions to learn more and i have proof of it in form of Triumphant Ryze skin. Even played against global rank 1 Brand player once (we lost that one but the game was 57 minutes). When there's 4 of us we go Normal Draft and just yesterday we were playing against a Chall and 2 Grandmasters, 2 Diamonds lobby and won that in 22 minutes. Our teams currently consists of 3 high emerald, 1 diamond and 1 silver player and even he manages to play well enough against E1-D1 lobbies (we're commonly thrown in high MMR lobbies cause in full squads we have above 75% WR) even tho he sometimes gets confused at what's happening Currently my WR is 64% and 67% respectively on the 2 champs i'm playing which are Morgana mid/sometimes jungle and Shaco jungle (Most of the times AP), sometimes i play something goofy like lethality Ashe mid or AP MF mid if my picks are banned (i still won my lanes with KDA above 3.0 and my total WR with these picks is 66%) Difference being, i know my champs, i know enemy champs, i know early CD's, I know champion scaling, powerspikes, level up timers, jungle pathing, jungle timers, wards, objective prios, wave management and setting up lane for ganks. My farming is mediocre most of the time (6.5-7 minions per minute) but i'm trying to make up for it with presence on map I can see mistakes i make and places where i'm still mid at best and i'm trying to correct it next game. Also i'm not relying on junglers, if i have my lane set up and jungler comes that's good but if he doesn't that's also okay, for certain i'm not gonna blame my jungler for me losing my lane as that's completely on me and he's doing his things (which is a common things i can see ADC players do, protag syndrome I guess, for 99% certainty I can say they're the most toxic players) This shows that anyone stuck for seasons in low elo can easily hit high elo if they actually want to in span of one season, just gotta to actually start learning the game instead of blaming it on something else, champion mechanics cap at gold anyway and the rest of the climb is learning macros
This was just perfect, hand picked gsmes and he still looks like an absolute bot 😂 The vision point was perfect he was going for "they don't have vision this good in bronze, I must be in smurf queue" turns out not a single ward placed on the enemy team 😂
@@glenndiddy nah i have coached for years and i coached one guy for over 20 hours trying to make him better version of himself. My coaching worked to some extend. He was bronze3 hardstuck year ago and this year he got to silver2. But in last session when i pointed out hes still doing same mistakes as year ago and i dont wanna hear anymore ever him trying to blame others for his mistakes and dragging him down to lose games he ragequited and havent played the game since. Some people just have that weak mental. They cant accept that theres wrong in them and they are in full denial. Its impossible to coach them i think. Some kind of mental illness behind it imo
@@scoper7897 First of all, it's not a mental illness, no way. For example, I'm the kind of person that gets heated when you confront him about past mistakes. It's something that I find difficult to control, but I'm not an NPC, I like to always think logically, so when I calm down I accept where they are coming from and learn. A lot of these people have similar tendencies, they just hate to get told what to do. I'm not excusing their behavior whatsoever, at the end of the day like would they pay for something knowing they won't like what they will hear. The reason I'm saying it's not a mental illness is because this happens in real life ALL the time. Go out there and confront people about their past and current mistakes and most of them will start going overboard with the excuses and victimizing themselves, and to be honest most human beings go through shit like that, the problem is that a lof of people can't get out of the victim mentality and never achieve anything in life. It's not just league.
@@scoper7897 in this case though being 42 years old, paying THAT much money for a coaching session, creating a conspiracy theory because he thinks the world revolves around him and that someone needs to see his downfall on fucking bronze games. That's another level of delusion.
The fact that he paid for coaching (which is crazy on its own) then proceeds to tell the coach no or refuses his advice. Is proof the man is 10000000% insane. plus he was tilted to the 10x power before the game even started because Neace called out his bonkers conspiracy theory.
My ex who passed had schizophrenia she found out about SUPER Late. She sounded EXACTLY like this, with theories of people out to get them. I'm not saying this guy has the same issue. But it's SUPER similar.
I'm an Psychology Student, and for some classes we have seen therapy sessions recordings (consented of course) of people suffering schizophrenia... and yes, this guy sound like that. The logic he uses falls into a thing we call "apodiptic certainty".
@@xdman20005Apodictic basically means something being true inherently or absolutely. The guy's entire train of logic is based on the fact that everything he does is fundamentally correct and that his truth, is the only truth. He can do no wrong; so he doesn't believe he actually makes mistakes, only everyone else does.
In that live game, it seems like he is actually refusing to do anything that Neace tells him to do. Like attacking the little spawns first - Neace tells him he shouldn't do it, and he says "well now I'm gonna do it every time". Or like when he is thinking about Baron and Neace says it might be a good idea - "Well, nevermind now, Kayle is alive out there somewhere."
I was recently admitted to the hospital for a psychotic break. This looks exactly like the type of shit I needed meds for. Hope this guy gets the help he needs.
ikr, i was admitted for other stuff but i learned about this type of people a lot during the process of my recovery and it honestly hurt every inch of my body when 90% of people in neaces chat were saying the guy is trolling when he obviously needs help...people need education and compassion...poor dude and im so sorry for his family and what they have to deal with...especially kids T_T
jesus i feel bad for this dude, a friend of mine had to go through a similar situation, he ultimately thought that a common friend of us installed a computer virus and conspired with dark net hackers to get him and spy on him. At that time he was doing some drugs and that probably got him into a schizophrenic phase. He's doing good now, but still thinks to this day that the one friend set him up with an underground organization and refuses to do anything when he joins.
Dude there's absolutely no way this guy is on drugs, didn't you hear? He's in the Army, Infantry no less, (enlisted of course) until his country needs him; you know he stays razor sharp minded just in case he gets Called for Duty: Modern Warfare. 🤡🤡
"The Dunning-Kruger effect effect occurs when a person's lack of knowledge and skills in a certain area cause them to overestimate their own competence. By contrast, this effect also causes those who excel in a given area to think the task is simple for everyone, and underestimate their relative abilities as well".
It honestly just looks like this guy is either coming to the massive realization of how bad he is and is trying to cope with it, or hes honestly delusional. I really really really want this man to improve is game. it was absolute pain watching his gameplay and listening to him talk, but for those very few moments when him and neace actually spoke to each other, it brought me bliss, and hope that this guy isnt crazy. I am just in a state of shock from how hard that was to watch, but how entertaining it was.
This guy came in to coach Neace, fml. The amount of patience Neace had to exhibit during this coaching session is insane. Like I can't even watch this video without tilting over this guy. JEEEEEEEZ
Nobody can ever say neace is impatient again holy shit, 90% of this comment section would have lost it talking to this guy lmao. Also pants continously growing more and more angry from him killing the small camps was killing me.
@@thepatrickcrab It's really not. Ego and Delusion is one thing, but paranoid schizophrenia... Come on man. Don't throw stuff around when you don't know what you are talking about. Edit: Okay nevermind, you were actually right. It does get intense really quickly. This guy is legitimately presenting severe schizophrenic behaviour and delusion. Hope he gets the help he needs.
Unfortunately help didn't come, or at least not enough of it. Near the end of the video, Neace leaks the guy's name, and some people went hunting. They found an obituary from January that match up with details he mentioned throughout the video (Army, Masters Degree etc) If you don't believe me, in the original video the name is at about 1h 22m if I remember correctly. You can probably imagine how it happened. It's kinda sad to scroll through these comments about people shitting on a guy who clearly needed help, not a clown to put him on the internet, which could have potentially made his condition worse. The comments here, and on Neace's video are absolutely vile. This guy was clearly having problems, and although shitting on Bronzies is fun, this is just not the same.
Dude paid hundreds of dollars for a coaching to literally, aggressively ignore all coaching then says "It's hard to play with you yelling in my ear" after Neace silently watches what he said would happen happen. XD XD
49:30 but the fact that its at 100 is highly correlating to them being a noob. The more you play a game, the more you want to individualize it to your liking. Sure some want it vanilla, but there is correlation. Same with counterstrike crosshairs for example.
That video is freaking wild. Its like paying to see a doctor and then you ignore their recommendations and you tell them what you should be doing. I guess some people cant admit when they are wrong. feels bad
I had some sort of pity towards him at the beginning because I thought he was just delusional, when the coaching started I realized he's the he's the same as every egocentric Bronze/Silver Yasuo/Yone/Sylas main that mocks you if he's winning and blames his team if he's losing, I hope he's staying on Bronze forever
The thresh coach part is really on point. Early lane is really crucial in bot lane which means the micro management is a core play of a support like thresh who is strong early and moderate at mid to late.
Unfortunately for this guy that Thresh coaching is literally gold 4 level. It's not a high level concept. It's the bare minimum to not be considered a troll player in gold elo. When a player can't grasp gold concepts, but they claim they play against challengers it's not even funny. It's honestly just sad.
The professionalism and patience of this coach tho. I don't really play LoL anymore and certainly not ranked, but I could learn from that level of patience with my temperament. You know what some of this also gives me vibes of? For some reason this right here is reminding me of To Catch a Predator with Chris Hansen for some reason, I have no idea why, but it's giving me that vibe.
This guy doesn't want coaching. He wants his delusions affirmed. No "you did this wrong" or "you need to do this." He wants a player that is better than him to accept the lies he's telling himself.
1:05:59 He almost disillusioned himself for a moment and had to shut down the train of thought to maintain his comfortable delusion. "It can look like normal matchmaking if you choose to... never mind." Yep, and it can also look like abnormal matchmaking if you choose to... never mind.
The person getting coached literally payed someone 350$ just to argue with him. Neace legit didn't even have to coach him. Bro I wish someone would randomly throw 350$ at me and just start arguing random sh tbh. Also he is lowkey probably the dumbest most self centered league player I've ever seen. Arguing with someone x1000 better than him even if Neace isn't challenger and is constantly trying to pretend like he knows more and that Neace is just mad? Like bro what? I'll be honest I'd have refunded his money and told him to get lost.
That was the cringiest thing to witness. I really felt your pain and neace's pain through it all. I watched the whole thing so I can learn. You have to be open minded and take notes and put your ego to the side of you genuinely want to get better. I never thought there could be conspiracy in league... Absolute madness lol but I pray for the guy so he can find his way in life
I once played with a dude that told me a similar conspiracy about losers queue. It was maddening how insistent he was. Their ego can’t handle the reality that they simply aren’t that good lol
@@eventof1859 Loosers queue is a thing though. Emerald II on 3 acounts, while being hardstuck plat on my main. Sure if I keep playing I will eventuelly get there but its kinda weird how people who are on a loosestreak get paired together
Im working with people that have mentalillness and I realy wouldn wonder if he feels like this in other sections of his life. The way he talks about this conspiracy and how he is unable to see his own mistakes realy remember me about my patients.
he really pulled up the notepad I can't. I started playing from time to time with friends since last year and most of the time I have no idea what I'm doing but this dude is something else man
Challenger accounts rarely have normal games in them - its not that his "MMR is high in norms" its that the Challenger's norms MMR is low enough to queue with him. Riot should fix this probably or have a setting ticked on for either for fun queue or learning kick-my-ass queue.
*This right here.* The only time I've seen a high elo account in norms is either a bronze bought it, or the dude is just having fun with his piss-low friends.
@@OLDPEDOJOE i mean challenger accounts are what? 0.001% of the server? even without mmr they would be rare. The highest elo friend of mine is master and he GRINDS ranked, so he rarely plays normals on his acc in the first place. if he does play with "us" low plats he switches to his low elo acc so we can play together. so if we end up playing norms he is on a low gold acc. So i do think that "smurfs" whatever the reason are not that uncommon.
@@angulinhiduje6093 Very true! Plat is absolute dog shit, I don't blame your friend for hopping on a piss low elo account just so you guys can play together. upvoteed!
then after we gotta get Neace to react to Baus reacting to Pants that's reacting to Neace reacting to hearing a bronze player say he deserves challenger
Yes, Neace IS abrasive. But you have to know that already. What did you want anyway? A coach to train you to play to win or just watch the flowers grow? It was very good of Neace to consistently ask the guy - what exactly are you paying for? It was quite obvious, and pants said it, the guy wanted to be told he was a Challenger stuck in bronze. I've seen lots of players and challengers don't get stuck in bronze. They just do better all around and move up, even with crummy teams. Also, its easy to look good when your team is winning their lanes - your stats come out so much better.
I think neace is being “abrasive” because first the guy said he was playing exclusively against challenger people so that sets the tone in his mind on how he should play, then for the guy to sit there and disagree with neace and proceed to not listen to his actual coaching, i don’t blame him for getting a little upset. He’s a league coach not a therapist
He wasn’t being abrasive until way past that and way past the guy telling him he’s a dumbass. Idk why anyone is even talking about him being abrasive. The other guy came in and was a huge asshole and he was patient the entire video
hes trying to prove that he doesnt need the coaching so both him and neace can collectively agree that something is wrong with the game outside of his control; everytime neace points out a bad play, he points 3+ reasons why it was good so that he never has to improve so yes, the guy is seriously expecting neace to come up with an answer on how he can get free elo without putting in any effort to change his playstyle Hopefully this guy doesn't come off as entitled in other parts of his life
Should have taken the coaching money and paid for a shrink instead, money better spent tbh. Think that would give more progress for him, both ingame and irl.
I like watching these videos cause they are very relatable I'm a low elo scrub and here's my story: after consistently hitting gold 4 for 3 seasons, this year I was hardstuck silver 2, actually dropped to bronze 3 twice and climbed back... usually I'd hit gold 4 after like 1 month and stop playing ranked cause I already got the skin, but after 100 or so games in this silver "hell" (keep in mind I play like 4 games per day I don't really have much free time) I made a new account, enjoyed myself leveling it on ARAM and went to promos as soon as I hit level 30... decided to play focused this time, disabled chat completely and only used pings, switched from support to adc because it's my second favorite role, avoided dying as much as possible during lane (been consitently leaving lane phase with 2 deaths at max and usually only die when I get ganked or trade kills when I think it's worth it), payed attention to fights before joining them (where is enemy katarina? do we actually win this? what are we fighting for, drake? herald? first tower?) so basically I put my brain to use. During promos I was consistently being matched with gold 3~plat 4 players and thought it was a promo thing, then I finished promos silver 1 (already above my 'hardstuck' account), kept playing focused and got to gold 4 in about 2 days (keep in mind, once again, I play around 4 games per day and I'm not amazing at the game, I know I'm gold level at best), but then realized on loading screen and looking at opgg I'm still getting matched with golds and occasionally plats when I lose like 3 games in a row I notice I get matched with gold 4s and 3s at best, if I win 2~3 in a row I go back being matched with gold 2~plat 4 players... btw I play champs that are "easy to execute" like tristana and twitch It was a nice experiment, I think I'm done with ranked for a while and will wait for the reset this month, then I'll aim for gold 1 after the reset, but honestly just learning I can consistently win games in gold and get my victorious skin is enough for me, I already play yugioh competitively and don't see the point to try so hard in league when I'm already trying hard in another game (also league isn't as rewarding lmao) TLDR: I never took league too seriously, that's why I was stuck in silver for so long. I'm glad I can hit gold easily now.
A teacher once told me "the moment you think that you know everything is the moment you stop learning" and that's exactly what's happening with this guy right here, he's been playing for a decade and for 10 years he thinks he deserves challenger and he has not stopped once to think that maybe he isn't so good and to start to think of ways to improve and it's obvious because he bought the coaching not because he thinks he needs it, but because he wants neace to agree with him because he wants that extra validation that in the end has put him in this delusion
![This Student Almost Ruined His $250 Coaching With His Attitude [Challenger Coaching Top]](/img/n.gif)
This guy really paid $350 expecting neace to tell him he is actually challenger
Shit for 350 bucks I'll tell him he is Elon Musk.
No, he payed neace $350 to agree with him having a stalker ruining the elo system by hacking and placing scrim bets :D
@@KrisStab 😂😂😂
Delusional...
Dude if some one pays me that money for that I would tell him that faker is nothing compared with him
I used to think Neace was overrated as hell, but watching Neace's patience when this person was spewing pure nonsense gave me a newfound sense of respect for what Neace has to put up with.
Yeah his advice in the thresh game was acctually pretty good aswell, but it still doenst change that he falsely advertises his coaching and in general (this one is not factual unlike the first statement but my subjective opinion) doesnt coach that well and mostly backseat games, i honestly feel him watching replays would be way more beneficial for his customers since he seems to analyze more and less just micro his students without teaching them anything.
@@XIplupIX true plus he charges sooo much when there are many underrated master/challenger level coaches willing to coach who would do a better job for just $20
@@peteypete9357 Nah, they dont do a better job - you want to know why? They arent reliable, for starters. They may know the game, but they arent around consistent enough to actually make coaching work. I have used a bunch of coaches from the coaching reddit and its the same story over and over again. The other reason is time is limited - supply and demand.
Wdym put up with, he's being paid $300 to put up with some nonsense for an hour 😂
@@XIplupIX he does a vod reviews and a live game for each customer..
This guy just can’t admit to himself that’s he has put years of his life into this game without actually learning it.
It's the classic issue of why a lot of people can't climb out of diamond. They then believe they are good, and blaim anything but themselves.That's how you stop improving. Pay attentiion next time you're watching real high elo players, you'll hear them reflect on situations, wondering what they should improve to not make it happen agai. And then there's the bucktards like this guy, who is completely dissilusioned.
I'm 90 % sure he is paid actor. I cannot believe that human is a real being
They're real all right. Probably 0.01% of the community, but there's hundreds and hundreds just like him, lol -- Escape from IRL, in denial, whatever you want to call them. I give up on teaching them and call them idiots after they start making excuses for losing consistently against bronzes :O
@@jacobmorris3295 idk whether to laugh or just feel bad for them. Almost inclined to say he got some type of personality disorder
@@jacobmorris3295 37:47 ok this guy is def either trolling hard af or just downright crazy
As a former riot employee i can confirm i was the one that sent this man the email back in 2010 that told him he was really challenger but the whole league community was out to get him.
SHUT UP IT'S A SECRET BRO
As a former email, I can confirm that I was in this man's inbox
@@lesliewong44 As a former inbox, I can confirm that you were inside me.
@@lesliewong44😂
as a human being i can tell you guys are dicks for joking about his delusion. its funny though.
Dick cluuub
Dude, I can't believe I saw the whole thing, at some points it was torture but the way he handled it actually was good, respect.
I liked that he kept insisting on looking at his losses rather than his wins, shows that he geniuely cared and wanted to help him
Some of it was like a train wreck, you just can't look away. I'm also impressed by his patience!
Me too 😢I just wasted the time for a movie on that x) I guess we like to suffer haha I think we were curious to get to the point of all this like Neace was... Such a weird thing, I mean, coaching is coaching not something else.
This was really funny, but also sad at the same time.
This man is insane, and paid to allow everyone to see it in 4K.
Video is gonna come out soon that this guy is trolling hard
@@kenanhajdarevic2611 I hope so. But the way he talks is so spot on for an insane person. It'd actually be a work of art if he is acting all of this out.
@@kenanhajdarevic2611 He's not. I found out who he is. The stuff he said about being an infantryman and being as old as he said he is is completely right.
@@VaoDxArchAngel Did you add him on League and convince him you were Challenger and ask him to scrim sometime?
@@kenanhajdarevic2611 if this guy wasnt a troll then he has serious issues i really hope he is :P
I’d only ever heard bad things about Neace. Surprised with Neace’s patience in the first half, and his sympathy in the second. At first I felt desperate to shake him by the shoulders to wake him up, but as time went on Neace noticed that nothing worked. No amount of shaking would wake him up. The blame was deflected and his delusion set in stone.
At the end Neace clearly felt sorry for the man, and tried to genuinely help him by giving him down to earth advice.
Shit, even Pants felt bad for the guy at the end.
I learned a lot this video, and not about league
Respect
It's a common thing on Neace streams - he does the toxic stuff to more skilled/talented players, but when they're bronze or iron, he's always patient.
@@VieneLea He's like how Gordon Ramsay is with Hell's Kitchen with professional chefs vs Chopped or with children. Gordon is way nicer to noobs or children, never yells. But when someone *should* know what the fuck they're doing, that's when he lets himself get angry. Same with Neace.
you only heard bad stuff because everyone and their mother jumped on the hate bandwagon without knowing anything about the dude at all
@@marikafukuroi86 when you charge 350 for coaching and you're actively advertising yourself as a Challenger player when you've peaked masters then yeah of course people would be angry at him
@@tselisas a brand new player neace videos have helped a ton. I would imagine experienced players would recognize that he was a coach for brand new players and dumbos. Let me know if there are other people who introduce the basics of league
It was such a nice touch of fresh air, when pants started straight away to get annoyed over his clears, after all that psycho hack-stalker theory :D
This guy is the reason the "Scrim Server" meme started in Neace's chat.
This man is on the strongest copium known to mankind. Triple S grade, hyper-concentrated, freshest ingredients overnighted. ☠️
yup I want to see what his "Masters degree" is
I think he's just schizo as mentioned in other comments
Approved for industrial uses only.
He's actually just mentally ill, unironically. Too many people dont recognize it, he clearly has a disorder and needs help.
He got that Prime copium subscription.
I’m actually dumbfounded that there are people in bronze that legitimately think they should be 7 ranks higher than what they are let alone this dude who can’t take the fact that he has spent so many years on a game just to never improve to reach the conclusion that the only way it makes sense is that there is a conspiracy plot against him…
The real lesson to be learned is tarzned is right, all of our teamates are mentally ill patients.
even wors its like 23 ranks because of the silver 1-4 iron 1-4 etc.
you better don't google how much elo boosters make to make this into reality ....
@@bruhl5709 Same. When you start recognizing that a good life leads to good gameplay it changes the perspective on spammimg games. Just started college and I feel like just learning stuff and being active in life gives me more purpose in my league grind. Which is cringe but cool.
SOMETIMES it can be understandable, like I for example was stuck in gold for since season 6 and bronze, silver in seasons 4 and 5 respectively.
Since season 7 I knew I could hit diamond if i wanted to but just didn't wanted to waste so much time on league (normally i play like 20-30 ranked games per season).
This season i'm proving that and i'm about 16 games away from diamond.
In the past i've played multiple official tournaments with my friends and won some of them even against Challenger players so i had multiple occasions to learn more and i have proof of it in form of Triumphant Ryze skin. Even played against global rank 1 Brand player once (we lost that one but the game was 57 minutes).
When there's 4 of us we go Normal Draft and just yesterday we were playing against a Chall and 2 Grandmasters, 2 Diamonds lobby and won that in 22 minutes.
Our teams currently consists of 3 high emerald, 1 diamond and 1 silver player and even he manages to play well enough against E1-D1 lobbies (we're commonly thrown in high MMR lobbies cause in full squads we have above 75% WR) even tho he sometimes gets confused at what's happening
Currently my WR is 64% and 67% respectively on the 2 champs i'm playing which are Morgana mid/sometimes jungle and Shaco jungle (Most of the times AP),
sometimes i play something goofy like lethality Ashe mid or AP MF mid if my picks are banned (i still won my lanes with KDA above 3.0 and my total WR with these picks is 66%)
Difference being, i know my champs, i know enemy champs, i know early CD's, I know champion scaling, powerspikes, level up timers, jungle pathing, jungle timers, wards, objective prios, wave management and setting up lane for ganks.
My farming is mediocre most of the time (6.5-7 minions per minute) but i'm trying to make up for it with presence on map
I can see mistakes i make and places where i'm still mid at best and i'm trying to correct it next game.
Also i'm not relying on junglers, if i have my lane set up and jungler comes that's good but if he doesn't that's also okay, for certain i'm not gonna blame my jungler for me losing my lane as that's completely on me and he's doing his things (which is a common things i can see ADC players do, protag syndrome I guess, for 99% certainty I can say they're the most toxic players)
This shows that anyone stuck for seasons in low elo can easily hit high elo if they actually want to in span of one season, just gotta to actually start learning the game instead of blaming it on something else, champion mechanics cap at gold anyway and the rest of the climb is learning macros
This was just perfect, hand picked gsmes and he still looks like an absolute bot 😂 The vision point was perfect he was going for "they don't have vision this good in bronze, I must be in smurf queue" turns out not a single ward placed on the enemy team 😂
Wait, did you just call him an AI? Are you part of the secret black market server mafia?
😂
@@rsmith8113 Maybe he thinks people calling him a bot means he is good. Because he does play like an actual bot
@@glenndiddy nah i have coached for years and i coached one guy for over 20 hours trying to make him better version of himself. My coaching worked to some extend. He was bronze3 hardstuck year ago and this year he got to silver2. But in last session when i pointed out hes still doing same mistakes as year ago and i dont wanna hear anymore ever him trying to blame others for his mistakes and dragging him down to lose games he ragequited and havent played the game since. Some people just have that weak mental. They cant accept that theres wrong in them and they are in full denial. Its impossible to coach them i think. Some kind of mental illness behind it imo
@@scoper7897 First of all, it's not a mental illness, no way. For example, I'm the kind of person that gets heated when you confront him about past mistakes. It's something that I find difficult to control, but I'm not an NPC, I like to always think logically, so when I calm down I accept where they are coming from and learn. A lot of these people have similar tendencies, they just hate to get told what to do. I'm not excusing their behavior whatsoever, at the end of the day like would they pay for something knowing they won't like what they will hear.
The reason I'm saying it's not a mental illness is because this happens in real life ALL the time. Go out there and confront people about their past and current mistakes and most of them will start going overboard with the excuses and victimizing themselves, and to be honest most human beings go through shit like that, the problem is that a lof of people can't get out of the victim mentality and never achieve anything in life. It's not just league.
@@scoper7897 in this case though being 42 years old, paying THAT much money for a coaching session, creating a conspiracy theory because he thinks the world revolves around him and that someone needs to see his downfall on fucking bronze games. That's another level of delusion.
I love how the bronze tells the coat that "You sound very pissed off right now" as if it would devalue any of the his points.
The coat?
I'm in so much pain after seeing this guy clear his jungle like that 😱☠️
The fact that he paid for coaching (which is crazy on its own) then proceeds to tell the coach no or refuses his advice. Is proof the man is 10000000% insane. plus he was tilted to the 10x power before the game even started because Neace called out his bonkers conspiracy theory.
@@attom353 if it's not mental illness, it's a HUGE ego problem. And if he can't acknowledge that, he rly should just find another game imo
I was wincing the entire time
i dont even play jungle and it hurst to see what decisions he makes.this guys is your average jungeler in your games.
But you are Iron
When he said people call him Artificial Intelligence, I was like "being called a bot isnt the same as a scripter"
Same 😂
My ex who passed had schizophrenia she found out about SUPER Late. She sounded EXACTLY like this, with theories of people out to get them. I'm not saying this guy has the same issue. But it's SUPER similar.
Yup I know someone who has schizophrenia and he is exactly like thos
dont forget he paid 350$ for this... he has issues dude
I'm an Psychology Student, and for some classes we have seen therapy sessions recordings (consented of course) of people suffering schizophrenia... and yes, this guy sound like that. The logic he uses falls into a thing we call "apodiptic certainty".
@@Mapache1999can you explain that last term?
@@xdman20005Apodictic basically means something being true inherently or absolutely. The guy's entire train of logic is based on the fact that everything he does is fundamentally correct and that his truth, is the only truth. He can do no wrong; so he doesn't believe he actually makes mistakes, only everyone else does.
When neace said I’m trying to coach you on conspiracy theory creation I lost it lmfao
I’m confused. So is this a troll or is it not and this guy came from the 27 century
@@stevenchen9852could just be a guy with a severe mental illness
In that live game, it seems like he is actually refusing to do anything that Neace tells him to do. Like attacking the little spawns first - Neace tells him he shouldn't do it, and he says "well now I'm gonna do it every time". Or like when he is thinking about Baron and Neace says it might be a good idea - "Well, nevermind now, Kayle is alive out there somewhere."
Nice job bud. You figured out the whole point of the video! Idk why you put “seems” in there when it’s so blatant it’s hitting you upside the head
@@LasagnaLlamaWhat an ass.
With players like this coaching should cost not 350$ but at least 1000$ per session. Call it stupidity tax.
I was recently admitted to the hospital for a psychotic break. This looks exactly like the type of shit I needed meds for. Hope this guy gets the help he needs.
feel you
ikr, i was admitted for other stuff but i learned about this type of people a lot during the process of my recovery and it honestly hurt every inch of my body when 90% of people in neaces chat were saying the guy is trolling when he obviously needs help...people need education and compassion...poor dude and im so sorry for his family and what they have to deal with...especially kids T_T
I was admitted for aspd but they talked a lot about this stuff. Sounds my common and serious than people realize
jesus i feel bad for this dude, a friend of mine had to go through a similar situation, he ultimately thought that a common friend of us installed a computer virus and conspired with dark net hackers to get him and spy on him. At that time he was doing some drugs and that probably got him into a schizophrenic phase. He's doing good now, but still thinks to this day that the one friend set him up with an underground organization and refuses to do anything when he joins.
it's always the drugs... i have experienced this with people too. They're always drug users 😔
@@FunnyCODAssasin Or trauma
Dude there's absolutely no way this guy is on drugs, didn't you hear? He's in the Army, Infantry no less, (enlisted of course) until his country needs him; you know he stays razor sharp minded just in case he gets Called for Duty: Modern Warfare. 🤡🤡
@@OLDPEDOJOE no way he is an enlisted OF with this psychotic mindset, i would take everything he says with a grain of salt
@@OLDPEDOJOE You're trolling
God I saw this video on his channel, the added pants commentary makes this even better lmao
by better you mean *more bearable, yes
this is going to be one of those classic videos that you go back and watch every few years lol
It's been 1 month and I'm re watching already lol
i watched neace coaching vid yesterday then i watched pants reviewing it today lol its unreal
He paid $350 for some therapy in all reality. Sounds like the guy just wanted someone to talk to and agree with what he says
for $350 I'll talk and agree with him for an hour
Tbh he's probably able to get to gold or plat if he did just go to therapy instead of coaching lmao
this but unironically
Everytime he says yep, I want to wrap my hands around him neck
In GTA
in a video game guys
of course
"The Dunning-Kruger effect effect occurs when a person's lack of knowledge and skills in a certain area cause them to overestimate their own competence. By contrast, this effect also causes those who excel in a given area to think the task is simple for everyone, and underestimate their relative abilities as well".
Holy shit, this was not just obviously a bronze player, but a weird one, more then usual. With conspiracy theories etc.
I can't even watch the screen lol its to cringe rofl
Least delusional and in denial bronze hard stuck player
It honestly just looks like this guy is either coming to the massive realization of how bad he is and is trying to cope with it, or hes honestly delusional. I really really really want this man to improve is game.
it was absolute pain watching his gameplay and listening to him talk, but for those very few moments when him and neace actually spoke to each other, it brought me bliss, and hope that this guy isnt crazy.
I am just in a state of shock from how hard that was to watch, but how entertaining it was.
Im almost 100% sure he is schizophrenic which is sad considering he has a wife and 2 children.
@@VaoDxArchAngeli think so too
I feel like neace was being very patient and controlled with this guy. The guy is in denial and neace tries so hard not to go off. Good job
This guy came in to coach Neace, fml. The amount of patience Neace had to exhibit during this coaching session is insane. Like I can't even watch this video without tilting over this guy. JEEEEEEEZ
Nobody can ever say neace is impatient again holy shit, 90% of this comment section would have lost it talking to this guy lmao. Also pants continously growing more and more angry from him killing the small camps was killing me.
I've seen this a couple times and i'm actually concerned about the guy.
he needs a therapist. not league coaching. i hope he's doing alright.
It's giving paranoid schizophrenia vibes :/
@@thepatrickcrab It's really not. Ego and Delusion is one thing, but paranoid schizophrenia... Come on man. Don't throw stuff around when you don't know what you are talking about.
Edit: Okay nevermind, you were actually right. It does get intense really quickly. This guy is legitimately presenting severe schizophrenic behaviour and delusion. Hope he gets the help he needs.
Unfortunately help didn't come, or at least not enough of it.
Near the end of the video, Neace leaks the guy's name, and some people went hunting.
They found an obituary from January that match up with details he mentioned throughout the video (Army, Masters Degree etc)
If you don't believe me, in the original video the name is at about 1h 22m if I remember correctly.
You can probably imagine how it happened.
It's kinda sad to scroll through these comments about people shitting on a guy who clearly needed help, not a clown to put him on the internet, which could have potentially made his condition worse. The comments here, and on Neace's video are absolutely vile. This guy was clearly having problems, and although shitting on Bronzies is fun, this is just not the same.
@@SirBlazzitno way are you for real?
@aang6109 yeah, I found the obituary myself, and you can too if you spend a bit of time hunting around
Saw this video lmfao it was so hard to sit through him saying mhm and explaining himself for no reason 500 times when neace was talking
mhm mhm. yeah.
@@mysticflow467 "I smite blue for HP"
"blue smite doesn't give HP"
"I know"
"I think hes trolling me... but that's a lot of money to spend... i mean he seems like he's having fun"
@@joefawcett2191 "I mean i guess if he's having fun"
The dude Neance was coaching died this year. Rest in peace
Dude paid hundreds of dollars for a coaching to literally, aggressively ignore all coaching then says "It's hard to play with you yelling in my ear" after Neace silently watches what he said would happen happen. XD XD
49:30 but the fact that its at 100 is highly correlating to them being a noob.
The more you play a game, the more you want to individualize it to your liking. Sure some want it vanilla, but there is correlation.
Same with counterstrike crosshairs for example.
That video is freaking wild. Its like paying to see a doctor and then you ignore their recommendations and you tell them what you should be doing. I guess some people cant admit when they are wrong. feels bad
I think this dude have a mental illness
The guy started to tilt once he realized Neace wouldnt take his shit
I had some sort of pity towards him at the beginning because I thought he was just delusional, when the coaching started I realized he's the he's the same as every egocentric Bronze/Silver Yasuo/Yone/Sylas main that mocks you if he's winning and blames his team if he's losing, I hope he's staying on Bronze forever
Yes, but also I can't help but feel bad 'cause he obviously has schizophrenia and needs help.
Well with an attitude like his, he won't be going anywhere else
@@corvus418nah he deserves to waste away, he’s biological waste
The thresh coach part is really on point. Early lane is really crucial in bot lane which means the micro management is a core play of a support like thresh who is strong early and moderate at mid to late.
Unfortunately for this guy that Thresh coaching is literally gold 4 level. It's not a high level concept. It's the bare minimum to not be considered a troll player in gold elo. When a player can't grasp gold concepts, but they claim they play against challengers it's not even funny. It's honestly just sad.
@@hamsterfromabove8905 and why would you try to teach a bronze level player high level concepts when they don't even know gold level concepts?
The professionalism and patience of this coach tho. I don't really play LoL anymore and certainly not ranked, but I could learn from that level of patience with my temperament.
You know what some of this also gives me vibes of? For some reason this right here is reminding me of To Catch a Predator with Chris Hansen for some reason, I have no idea why, but it's giving me that vibe.
well to be fair he alter was pretty condescending in the jax game, but i mean i totally understand why.
41:08 Man i was wating for "And this video is sponsor by NordVPN" or something like that haha my man really crazy
This guy typed up this document of all his game knowledge as his "voucher" into challenger. Yet he does none of what his document says.
16:12 “I don’t know what’s going on actually, I’m like kinda tilted.”
XD
He’s not challenger, he’s mentally challenger..
Underrated comment 😂
Season 4 was in 2014.
So there a stalker that made sure for the past 10 years that he stays in bronze?
Sounds pretty rational
This guy doesn't want coaching. He wants his delusions affirmed. No "you did this wrong" or "you need to do this." He wants a player that is better than him to accept the lies he's telling himself.
the moment the guy says ima take 5 END CALL.
At 45 mins when he started trying to help him with making conspiracy theories lmao
You can never say he doesn’t coach you for that 250$
That dude probably encompasses a large portion of the bronze playerbase mentality.
Im so glad you are reviewing this. The strangest coaching he has ever done
“Oh yeah this looks like bronze to me” IM GONNA PISS MYSELF LMAOO?!?!?
1:05:59 He almost disillusioned himself for a moment and had to shut down the train of thought to maintain his comfortable delusion.
"It can look like normal matchmaking if you choose to... never mind."
Yep, and it can also look like abnormal matchmaking if you choose to... never mind.
The person getting coached literally payed someone 350$ just to argue with him. Neace legit didn't even have to coach him. Bro I wish someone would randomly throw 350$ at me and just start arguing random sh tbh. Also he is lowkey probably the dumbest most self centered league player I've ever seen. Arguing with someone x1000 better than him even if Neace isn't challenger and is constantly trying to pretend like he knows more and that Neace is just mad? Like bro what? I'll be honest I'd have refunded his money and told him to get lost.
That was the cringiest thing to witness. I really felt your pain and neace's pain through it all. I watched the whole thing so I can learn. You have to be open minded and take notes and put your ego to the side of you genuinely want to get better. I never thought there could be conspiracy in league... Absolute madness lol but I pray for the guy so he can find his way in life
I once played with a dude that told me a similar conspiracy about losers queue. It was maddening how insistent he was. Their ego can’t handle the reality that they simply aren’t that good lol
I think I cannot watch this without dying of cringe.
@@eventof1859 Loosers queue is a thing though. Emerald II on 3 acounts, while being hardstuck plat on my main.
Sure if I keep playing I will eventuelly get there but its kinda weird how people who are on a loosestreak get paired together
thank you now I have brain damage
edit: this is torture.
Im working with people that have mentalillness and I realy wouldn wonder if he feels like this in other sections of his life. The way he talks about this conspiracy and how he is unable to see his own mistakes realy remember me about my patients.
Im very confident that he's schizophrenic.
Have 42 year old in my class that act just like this guy he just does it irl as well Wonder if is the same with this guy
he really pulled up the notepad I can't. I started playing from time to time with friends since last year and most of the time I have no idea what I'm doing but this dude is something else man
This is hilarious. Neace handled this so well. This person has mental health issues. I seriously hope that this person seeks help and receives it.
All people who play league have mental issues. All of them. Any normal human would reject being subjected to it.
When he finally said he was 42 it put it into perspective and then i had more empathy
182 dislikes AINTNOWAY irons be siding with the magicaly challenger guy
Neace is Gordon Ramsay of League Coaching
37:55 LOL "ive had people call me ai,... saying im artificial intellegenc" ahhahahahahaha
"I had a guy ask me if I was AI..." No shit really? Hard to imagine..
The stalker was the mailman doing his job.
Not gunna lie, this has me DYING 😂 Neace trying his best
@25:54 "...it may behoove me to protect the ADC"
Dude was trying so hard to sound smart lol
Challenger accounts rarely have normal games in them - its not that his "MMR is high in norms" its that the Challenger's norms MMR is low enough to queue with him. Riot should fix this probably or have a setting ticked on for either for fun queue or learning kick-my-ass queue.
*This right here.*
The only time I've seen a high elo account in norms is either a bronze bought it, or the dude is just having fun with his piss-low friends.
@@OLDPEDOJOE i mean challenger accounts are what? 0.001% of the server? even without mmr they would be rare. The highest elo friend of mine is master and he GRINDS ranked, so he rarely plays normals on his acc in the first place.
if he does play with "us" low plats he switches to his low elo acc so we can play together. so if we end up playing norms he is on a low gold acc. So i do think that "smurfs" whatever the reason are not that uncommon.
@@angulinhiduje6093 Very true! Plat is absolute dog shit, I don't blame your friend for hopping on a piss low elo account just so you guys can play together. upvoteed!
Lol so true, im diamond but if i queue blind pick in the middle of the night i get exclusively low elo players
@@jacekstankiewicz1594 You must be part of the elite, underground scrim servers 😂😂
46:40 gotta be the funniest ward ever😂
Neace missed the perfect opportunity to reply with "I'm not pissed, I'm disappointed"
It would've been hilarious
Not me, a Jax main, having a fucking seizure rn
Schizo: "Someone is stalking my games and making me lose!"
Neace: *Farms a solid hour of cringe content*
this dude is living in a different world
This person is completely right!
Should be in challenger...for sure...😅
challenging...
*should be challenged*
@@Skishe is challenged*
Challenjor
Riot should just rename bronze to Challenjour and they will be happy xD
Wait, this man thinks he is in the plot of Red vs. Blue.
Waiting for Baus to review Pants and the react.
then after we gotta get Neace to react to Baus reacting to Pants that's reacting to Neace reacting to hearing a bronze player say he deserves challenger
@@Kinshin01 All at the same time.
@@eschaton7813 lmao all of them flaming him simultaneously
@@Kinshin01 lmao imagine baus roasting the bronze player
@@noahoraporfavor2432 baus be roasting his chat saying it's his average viewer 😅
Every time Neace is closing his eyes and going silent I can only imagine he's thinking "He'spayingme$350He'spayingme$350He'spayingme$350"
"Do you believe the earth is flat?" got me lmfao
HOW many goddamn "yeap, yep, yepp, yeep's" must one endure!
What they need with that 350 isn't coaching, it's a therapist
This was hard to watch...
Neace was amazingly professional in this one
Yes, Neace IS abrasive. But you have to know that already. What did you want anyway? A coach to train you to play to win or just watch the flowers grow? It was very good of Neace to consistently ask the guy - what exactly are you paying for? It was quite obvious, and pants said it, the guy wanted to be told he was a Challenger stuck in bronze. I've seen lots of players and challengers don't get stuck in bronze. They just do better all around and move up, even with crummy teams. Also, its easy to look good when your team is winning their lanes - your stats come out so much better.
It's known that this guy has passed away last January, Aged 43. Most likely had sererve PTSD. Super sad stuff.... RIP
I think neace is being “abrasive” because first the guy said he was playing exclusively against challenger people so that sets the tone in his mind on how he should play, then for the guy to sit there and disagree with neace and proceed to not listen to his actual coaching, i don’t blame him for getting a little upset. He’s a league coach not a therapist
He wasn’t being abrasive until way past that and way past the guy telling him he’s a dumbass. Idk why anyone is even talking about him being abrasive. The other guy came in and was a huge asshole and he was patient the entire video
at the mid of this vid he became clear that this guy is a troll or a crazy person
I think he's right. This guy is clearly mental challenger.
This sounds like McConnelRet trying to troll a coach.
This is the funniest shlt i seen in a while 😭
Fr. I saw this while working and had to listen while going home while stuck in traffic and rewatching it made it that much funnier
Bro never had a coach before in his life, free money for neace
hes trying to prove that he doesnt need the coaching so both him and neace can collectively agree that something is wrong with the game outside of his control; everytime neace points out a bad play, he points 3+ reasons why it was good so that he never has to improve so yes, the guy is seriously expecting neace to come up with an answer on how he can get free elo without putting in any effort to change his playstyle
Hopefully this guy doesn't come off as entitled in other parts of his life
I really think he suffers from mental ilness. Its so sad.
Should have taken the coaching money and paid for a shrink instead, money better spent tbh. Think that would give more progress for him, both ingame and irl.
I like watching these videos cause they are very relatable
I'm a low elo scrub and here's my story:
after consistently hitting gold 4 for 3 seasons, this year I was hardstuck silver 2, actually dropped to bronze 3 twice and climbed back... usually I'd hit gold 4 after like 1 month and stop playing ranked cause I already got the skin, but after 100 or so games in this silver "hell" (keep in mind I play like 4 games per day I don't really have much free time) I made a new account, enjoyed myself leveling it on ARAM and went to promos as soon as I hit level 30... decided to play focused this time, disabled chat completely and only used pings, switched from support to adc because it's my second favorite role, avoided dying as much as possible during lane (been consitently leaving lane phase with 2 deaths at max and usually only die when I get ganked or trade kills when I think it's worth it), payed attention to fights before joining them (where is enemy katarina? do we actually win this? what are we fighting for, drake? herald? first tower?) so basically I put my brain to use.
During promos I was consistently being matched with gold 3~plat 4 players and thought it was a promo thing, then I finished promos silver 1 (already above my 'hardstuck' account), kept playing focused and got to gold 4 in about 2 days (keep in mind, once again, I play around 4 games per day and I'm not amazing at the game, I know I'm gold level at best), but then realized on loading screen and looking at opgg I'm still getting matched with golds and occasionally plats
when I lose like 3 games in a row I notice I get matched with gold 4s and 3s at best, if I win 2~3 in a row I go back being matched with gold 2~plat 4 players... btw I play champs that are "easy to execute" like tristana and twitch
It was a nice experiment, I think I'm done with ranked for a while and will wait for the reset this month, then I'll aim for gold 1 after the reset, but honestly just learning I can consistently win games in gold and get my victorious skin is enough for me, I already play yugioh competitively and don't see the point to try so hard in league when I'm already trying hard in another game (also league isn't as rewarding lmao)
TLDR: I never took league too seriously, that's why I was stuck in silver for so long. I'm glad I can hit gold easily now.
You keep saying "wrong vod" but this was GOLD... Made my week
Surely this guy is making a video or something to see how far he can push Neace 😂
This is the biggest onion he has ever had to peel and is still trying to peel to this day haha
Pants: has this guy ever watched a good jungle jungle?
Him: I watch myself
Good God the amount of Tabs open on that browser. Lmao.
i am Silver and this was hard to watch even for me, can't imagine for Neace and how calm he stayed.
A teacher once told me "the moment you think that you know everything is the moment you stop learning" and that's exactly what's happening with this guy right here, he's been playing for a decade and for 10 years he thinks he deserves challenger and he has not stopped once to think that maybe he isn't so good and to start to think of ways to improve and it's obvious because he bought the coaching not because he thinks he needs it, but because he wants neace to agree with him because he wants that extra validation that in the end has put him in this delusion
That was like a train wreck. I didn't want to watch the horror unfold but I couldn't look away.