NEACE isn't charging 350$ because he's the best coach in the world. He's charging 350$ because players are willing to pay it lol. I remember him saying he was charging less but got so many bookings at some point that he raised prices until it was 350$ for live coachings and people are still paying it. If everyone wanted me to build a box, but I wanted to build my own boxes, I would charge them more to make their boxes that take away my time on my boxes ;D
@@ducite9943 From what I know of the whole situation, the issue isn't charging 350. The issue is he falsely advertised as a challenger coach for 350. I'm not interested in going back and forth regarding the legitimacy of his past achievements but if he did falsely advertise then he is a thief. If his photoshopped "proof" of hitting challenger that he got caught on is just coincidence then he should charge any price his customers are willing to pay.
He is not the best coach, if it where true he would be a coach for a pro team. And yes paying 350 dollar for a bad product happened everyday, but if he would be a good person he would not want as much and what i am most interested in is why he gives no refund and i can only advice everyone how live in eu like germany we have a law that you can get a refund for products in the internet after 30days without any reason. And has ever anyone go for court with him on that because in germany it would be very easy, if i had no too high blood pressure, i had done it. Or could it be that you are one of the neace accounts?
@@Lancelot2000Lps He does give refunds. It depends on the situation. Sleeping past your appointed slot doesn't make sense considering there were many players waiting for their turn and you were too busy to bother being on time. I've seen him end a coaching session and refund the client.
Imo the coach should avoid talking about the micro during the plays. It's much better to point out mistakes or alternatives after the play is done. He should be focusing a lot more on macro. I didn't even see him discussing with the player about their comp's win conditions, power spikes, etc. This sounds like a player trying to lead another to do the things he would've, not a couch trying to help the playee develop his own decision making and respecting his playstyle
I partially agree, I also think that neace live game coaching is just back seat gaming which ussusly make someone play worse cause you get unsure about your movements and etc nor do you learn anything, since you ussusly won't elanr the reason behind those movements or actions. I do disagree with your generalisation of what to say, I don't think you can just go over all of that because this is solo que. A lot in league also depends on players, for example toplsner you have to match your waves depending on your jungler pathing even if your matchup is hard winning if your jungler weaksides you and their jubgler camps you can't Perma push. So he can't just go into the game be like, hey you have this champ they have that play the early game like this then you're in midgame over this. A lot of stuff has to be seen on the fly.
The best advice for coaching is just to tell them to learn their matchup and limit test. There's a lot of website that give a quick rundown on champ vs champ. After that just keep limit testing so that you can become more familiar and confident in what your champion can do in lane phase.
@@LunchMeatTrump imho simple concepts like weak side strong side. How to play weak side vs strong side will get you plat. You can play with your toes and make it plat as long as you play strong side weak side correctly.
well i mean you gotta figure out the champions combos yourself by watching videos and practicing ingame or in practice tool, that's not something thats teachable
Neace making a Yasuo one trick play safe against vlad has got to be the biggest fucking troll. I don't even play mid and know that yasuo should just go ignite dblade and get so fed that vlad can't even farm lol
I agree. I even think you can be so aggressive that you can start E level 1 and just be immediately up in Vlad's face, bring him very low, let the wave push to you and zone him off the wave or threaten an all-in.
Neace is such a poor teacher it's so frustrating to listen to! If Neace had just asked the client why he didn't fight the Hecarim under t2, chances are he had said he ran away because he was scared. So the next question is to be annoyingly Socratic and ask why he's scared and ask him to analyze the game state e.g. his position relative to his team's, Hecarim's items and levels and so on. Because what Neace is saying is true, but to expect a gold 4 player to know that he can take that fight when he's also probably new to the game is just flawed and instead of focusing on the results i.e. this play lost you game because you tried to be fancy, focus on making sure the client understands what went wrong with the play. Because now Neace is just saying to him what was wrong but there's no deeper learning so in the future he may replicate what Neace said, but it will eventually turn into bad habits as he will take fights in similar situations he can't take because of variations in the situation e.g. levels and gold differentials.
@@LunchMeatTrump im non biased so - idk how you're saying a rank 1 peak player is "ripping off" a "better player" when neace never even hit chal? you're aware of the data mining correct? the lies? tarzaned also reviewed neaces coaching and has done so many times, you must know neace is not a "better player" he isnt diamond level bad of course but it sounds like you're spewing cope? because that is definitely not the case here.. you've gotta look at more content revolving around these players before you make comments like that bro
It's likely because this is a low gold queue and didn't expect the Poppy player to put a point in W at level 2 since Poppy players usually get W at level 3.
45:15 he was telling him to back off so that he can wait for his ult. temporarily back off. he wanted to re-engage the fight once the ult was up with naut and ez.
When you buy a coaching you are technically buying knowledge and time. Neace had too much people asking for coaching so he kept raising the price. Just like PC parts increase in price when a new big game is released and everybody start buying them.
Neace is a male Karen. I hope his wife is happy and she made no kids with him. The world does not need more people like him, or he should proof maybe in 10 years that he change after a long stay in pystratic clinic. But with his ego i bet he did not even know that he is ill and crazy.
62% Winrate when his top 3 champs are all above 62% is insane stop playing these 1 off champs and you'll climb! Sure Yasuo and Yone get picked or banned a lot but as a Vex otp myself you can get her in almost every game.
If Neace coached 5 days a week 8 sessions at an hour each that roughly 1 mil a year...guys the master at would've could've should've but say what you want he got people's money and I'm pretty sure that's why he can take his time off
It's entirely unrealistic the idea that he can sell 40 coaching sessions a week and call it a 40 hour work week. I'd bet he is limited to 4-5 in an 8 hour work day at best, remember there is a lot more than just "I was on discord with them for 1 hour". Theres multiple facets to his business which all take time and if he has someone helping him with those then he has to pay them as well.
Neace reached Masters in korea my guy, he's challenger in NA unlike pants, and that's why pants gets bullied by every pro player. Pants is plat max in korea. Btw hes rank 1 in arena not in league 😂
@@finezera He was rank 1 in solo Q. A feat only the best of players can ever achieve. Still don't change the fact he only gets booked because stream following. If he didn't stream no one would ever pay that.
@@DavidSmith-ev1bd Coaching and playing is much different. Just because you're a good student and get top marks, doesn't mean you're a good teacher. Or know how to present the way you do things to a class that works for you on. In NA too, the shittiest region out of the bunch. Meanwhile Neace has international success lol. Anyway, everyone he coaches climbs when they implement his teachings. So regardless of what anybody says, IT WORKS, which is a concrete, indisputable fact that nobody can trash can because he has the players and support to prove it anytime. That's how he has a stream following. Are you putting the pieces together????? Good player, entertaining, good coach > More views, following?????? that's how it works buddy. HE LITERALLY sells you on a CHEAPER COACHING from patrion from role mains that work with him.
on that first fight 17:59 i would have used yas e too get closer on the cs that was there instead of g right away then use q and maybe would have been closer too that fight
Yo what are you doing ? '' Im watching a League of Legend streamer, watching another League of Legend streamer, watching a random dude who plays League of Legend''
Wait, what's wrong with Shieldbow there? I don't play yasuo but I'm just thinking - I can understand the idea of just surviving the burst and then sustaining with double lifesteal.. like it might not be a challenger tech, but I can see it as a bandaid I would use here just because I know I am a shit yasuo for sure 😅😅
The reason he costs $350 isn’t because he’s the best coach it’s because he would be losing money if he didn’t since he’s also a popular steamer/TH-camr
I'm sure he won't lose money even if he half the price. Having said that, I don't think there's anything wrong with the price as long as people are willing to pay for it. It's just supply and demand.
it's because he got so many bookings he raised it to get fewer, yet people still book him so why not charge 350$, ya know? At least that's how he described it.
I dont like his coaching for one thing : "so i dont know why your team doesnt follow and help you" and in the next second " no dont help them farm" when if he help they will win couse its a team game not solo game your team is your family for this 20-30 mins
I dont know why would he be so nervous if hes legit 82% win rate. I used to play Yasuo a lot until I realised its just horrible in gold elo. but I wouldve played that so much better. Early on free kill on vlad 2 times and even on heca but oh well..
Unless you play mid or top Tryndamere, the only thing Neace should be coaching you on is general aspects of the game that are true for most if not every champ/lane.
Have game sense first and foremost, fuck his macro play his items levels all that shit, just have good game sense of when to do your job in team fight windows, master that only, and you will be amazed how many times you win the game.
there's better coaches that are cheaper and have better game knowledge. neace is fine for fundamentals, but fundamentals aren't worth whatever money he charges people and can be easily found on youtube for free anyway. it's better to get role specific coaching from people like eagz, kurtis, etc.
@@brentonhood if you want coaching sessions specifically then I know of eagz, Nathan Mott's saltu, and Virkayu. Nathan is probably the best price:performance for Master and below. Eagz for Challenger and if you can afford pricey coaching
its not easy to coach someone.. anything.. BUT i think neace is a fraud for his prices! but its fine.. fools paying him ^^ also first time i see a decent yasuo and first time also i see yasuo afraid to dive in or go for kills :D
Well hes only G4 .. He just had few lucky games playing against silvers.. the 82% winrate on yasuo is only 25 games.. My first 25 games with Graves as otp was the same, i won like 20 (Which is 80%WR) .. But 100 games later im at eme1 peak hopefully getting that diamond but now my WR is like 60% because the games are alot harder
Mmmm I don't think you know a lot about coaching anything competitive. NEACE is purposely bombarding information. It raises the stress level of the person causing them to fuck up, where they would fuck up in a stressful situation. You want people to break mentally to identify and exploit the problems they have. If you can't play under extreme stress, you'll never be a champion. Btw 85% win rate is a 30% win rate in Korea.
NEACE isn't charging 350$ because he's the best coach in the world. He's charging 350$ because players are willing to pay it lol. I remember him saying he was charging less but got so many bookings at some point that he raised prices until it was 350$ for live coachings and people are still paying it. If everyone wanted me to build a box, but I wanted to build my own boxes, I would charge them more to make their boxes that take away my time on my boxes ;D
Yeah 100% it is simple supply and demand if there wernt enough people willing to pay him 350 it wouldnt be that price
i agree hes right doing what he does.. wish him the best!!!
@@ducite9943 From what I know of the whole situation, the issue isn't charging 350. The issue is he falsely advertised as a challenger coach for 350. I'm not interested in going back and forth regarding the legitimacy of his past achievements but if he did falsely advertise then he is a thief. If his photoshopped "proof" of hitting challenger that he got caught on is just coincidence then he should charge any price his customers are willing to pay.
He is not the best coach, if it where true he would be a coach for a pro team. And yes paying 350 dollar for a bad product happened everyday, but if he would be a good person he would not want as much and what i am most interested in is why he gives no refund and i can only advice everyone how live in eu like germany we have a law that you can get a refund for products in the internet after 30days without any reason. And has ever anyone go for court with him on that because in germany it would be very easy, if i had no too high blood pressure, i had done it. Or could it be that you are one of the neace accounts?
@@Lancelot2000Lps He does give refunds. It depends on the situation. Sleeping past your appointed slot doesn't make sense considering there were many players waiting for their turn and you were too busy to bother being on time. I've seen him end a coaching session and refund the client.
I can't believe Willem Dafoe gave up such a promising acting career for league coaching.
Imo the coach should avoid talking about the micro during the plays. It's much better to point out mistakes or alternatives after the play is done. He should be focusing a lot more on macro. I didn't even see him discussing with the player about their comp's win conditions, power spikes, etc. This sounds like a player trying to lead another to do the things he would've, not a couch trying to help the playee develop his own decision making and respecting his playstyle
I partially agree, I also think that neace live game coaching is just back seat gaming which ussusly make someone play worse cause you get unsure about your movements and etc nor do you learn anything, since you ussusly won't elanr the reason behind those movements or actions. I do disagree with your generalisation of what to say, I don't think you can just go over all of that because this is solo que. A lot in league also depends on players, for example toplsner you have to match your waves depending on your jungler pathing even if your matchup is hard winning if your jungler weaksides you and their jubgler camps you can't Perma push. So he can't just go into the game be like, hey you have this champ they have that play the early game like this then you're in midgame over this. A lot of stuff has to be seen on the fly.
this guy never hit chall tbh only on LAN which is EUW plat
The best advice for coaching is just to tell them to learn their matchup and limit test. There's a lot of website that give a quick rundown on champ vs champ. After that just keep limit testing so that you can become more familiar and confident in what your champion can do in lane phase.
Give me the two best websites right now buddy.
@@franciscomagallanes5658 honestly just find a streamer for the champ u wanna main or wanna play a lot
give me those websites
I personally used mobachampion for counter matchups and tips
Give US the website
Neace is great at macro coaching. Probably not champ specific coaching
Yeah, he does know a lot of matchups but not SUPER granular stuff for most champs.
@@LunchMeatTrump imho simple concepts like weak side strong side. How to play weak side vs strong side will get you plat. You can play with your toes and make it plat as long as you play strong side weak side correctly.
@@Plu7ology weak side strong side? can you explain that further to me?
well i mean you gotta figure out the champions combos yourself by watching videos and practicing ingame or in practice tool, that's not something thats teachable
$350 pro coach and he eat in front of you instead of your session.
Neace making a Yasuo one trick play safe against vlad has got to be the biggest fucking troll.
I don't even play mid and know that yasuo should just go ignite dblade and get so fed that vlad can't even farm lol
I agree. I even think you can be so aggressive that you can start E level 1 and just be immediately up in Vlad's face, bring him very low, let the wave push to you and zone him off the wave or threaten an all-in.
Neace is such a poor teacher it's so frustrating to listen to! If Neace had just asked the client why he didn't fight the Hecarim under t2, chances are he had said he ran away because he was scared. So the next question is to be annoyingly Socratic and ask why he's scared and ask him to analyze the game state e.g. his position relative to his team's, Hecarim's items and levels and so on. Because what Neace is saying is true, but to expect a gold 4 player to know that he can take that fight when he's also probably new to the game is just flawed and instead of focusing on the results i.e. this play lost you game because you tried to be fancy, focus on making sure the client understands what went wrong with the play. Because now Neace is just saying to him what was wrong but there's no deeper learning so in the future he may replicate what Neace said, but it will eventually turn into bad habits as he will take fights in similar situations he can't take because of variations in the situation e.g. levels and gold differentials.
I think to rate someone's coaching you should actually get coached instead of just watching a video.
Underrated comment
Makes no sense
@@LunchMeatTrump idk why you're hating on him lol, but even if you were right he still can rate a coaching w/o having to pay for it
@@LunchMeatTrump fanboying lol? Show me where? You're just angry for no reason, just read the comments dude and take a breath
@@LunchMeatTrump im non biased so - idk how you're saying a rank 1 peak player is "ripping off" a "better player" when neace never even hit chal? you're aware of the data mining correct? the lies? tarzaned also reviewed neaces coaching and has done so many times, you must know neace is not a "better player" he isnt diamond level bad of course but it sounds like you're spewing cope? because that is definitely not the case here.. you've gotta look at more content revolving around these players before you make comments like that bro
Why was he so impressed by poppy using w during a yasuo dash lmao
It's likely because this is a low gold queue and didn't expect the Poppy player to put a point in W at level 2 since Poppy players usually get W at level 3.
did neace dirty with the thumbnail just to make urself look better
seriously that neace university ad was soo good and soo funny ive shat my pants laughing hahahah
neace having customers is eternal proof that there's a sucker born every damn second
Get an undercover coaching from neace!
This didn’t age well lmfao
@@protocolsavage8506wdym what happend?
"hit point" and "heal cut". Truly great.
: his build is so life steal heavy , pants again : i would get bt
25:47 pink wards dont have that second delay where u can see after its gone for a second. so no they didnt see him go back mid yet xD
45:15 he was telling him to back off so that he can wait for his ult. temporarily back off. he wanted to re-engage the fight once the ult was up with naut and ez.
When you buy a coaching you are technically buying knowledge and time. Neace had too much people asking for coaching so he kept raising the price.
Just like PC parts increase in price when a new big game is released and everybody start buying them.
It's simple supply and demand, they just don't like it because they can't get $350 for their "coaching".
Neace doesn't know about champions he coaches for too often.
@Pants are Dragon 25:23 it's not hard. "ward above the wall above you." literally self explanatory.
guess we have more na challengers in this comments sections than in the actual na server ...
Neace is a male Karen. I hope his wife is happy and she made no kids with him. The world does not need more people like him, or he should proof maybe in 10 years that he change after a long stay in pystratic clinic. But with his ego i bet he did not even know that he is ill and crazy.
62% Winrate when his top 3 champs are all above 62% is insane stop playing these 1 off champs and you'll climb! Sure Yasuo and Yone get picked or banned a lot but as a Vex otp myself you can get her in almost every game.
man the picture looking like dafoe x)
If Neace coached 5 days a week 8 sessions at an hour each that roughly 1 mil a year...guys the master at would've could've should've but say what you want he got people's money and I'm pretty sure that's why he can take his time off
It's entirely unrealistic the idea that he can sell 40 coaching sessions a week and call it a 40 hour work week. I'd bet he is limited to 4-5 in an 8 hour work day at best, remember there is a lot more than just "I was on discord with them for 1 hour". Theres multiple facets to his business which all take time and if he has someone helping him with those then he has to pay them as well.
Can we all agree that this 82% wr Yasuo would have played better if Neace focused more on macro than micro?
I'd rather listen to the advice of Rank 1 Pants instead of a random masters player who can only charge 350 because his stream following.
Neace reached Masters in korea my guy, he's challenger in NA unlike pants, and that's why pants gets bullied by every pro player. Pants is plat max in korea. Btw hes rank 1 in arena not in league 😂
@@finezera He was rank 1 in solo Q. A feat only the best of players can ever achieve. Still don't change the fact he only gets booked because stream following. If he didn't stream no one would ever pay that.
@@DavidSmith-ev1bd Coaching and playing is much different. Just because you're a good student and get top marks, doesn't mean you're a good teacher. Or know how to present the way you do things to a class that works for you on. In NA too, the shittiest region out of the bunch. Meanwhile Neace has international success lol.
Anyway, everyone he coaches climbs when they implement his teachings. So regardless of what anybody says, IT WORKS, which is a concrete, indisputable fact that nobody can trash can because he has the players and support to prove it anytime.
That's how he has a stream following. Are you putting the pieces together????? Good player, entertaining, good coach > More views, following?????? that's how it works buddy. HE LITERALLY sells you on a CHEAPER COACHING from patrion from role mains that work with him.
Why does his hat say $350? Is it a brag because his coaching costs that much?
I tried watching this when you first posted this 4 days ago, but then you put it on private JUST as I was 2 min in. haaaa lol
on that first fight 17:59 i would have used yas e too get closer on the cs that was there instead of g right away then use q and maybe would have been closer too that fight
haven't you uploaded this before ?
Yo what are you doing ? '' Im watching a League of Legend streamer, watching another League of Legend streamer, watching a random dude who plays
League of Legend''
His videos arent the full coaching seasons
Paying 350 to get worse at the game...money well spent
Wait, what's wrong with Shieldbow there? I don't play yasuo but I'm just thinking - I can understand the idea of just surviving the burst and then sustaining with double lifesteal.. like it might not be a challenger tech, but I can see it as a bandaid I would use here just because I know I am a shit yasuo for sure 😅😅
why not flash 23:17 when heca runs in?
What was wrong with the first upload? Got 15 mins into that before it was taken down
he had to reset all the hate comments he was getting I assume
The reason he costs $350 isn’t because he’s the best coach it’s because he would be losing money if he didn’t since he’s also a popular steamer/TH-camr
I'm sure he won't lose money even if he half the price.
Having said that, I don't think there's anything wrong with the price as long as people are willing to pay for it.
It's just supply and demand.
"I'm pretty sure you wouldn't lose money if you cut your wage in half"
it's because he got so many bookings he raised it to get fewer, yet people still book him so why not charge 350$, ya know? At least that's how he described it.
@@naNyxxZ Yeah, welcome to the world, it's called Supply and Demand.
If the demand is bigger than the supply the cost goes up.
@@paytonmacdonald1409 Yeup, always funny when people are mad about it.
PAD: Not a lot of setup (ehhh, amumu irelia?)
really dont like neace coaching and it sure doesnt seem worth for the cost of 350....
This is William Defoe on preview?
42:03 Um Mr Pants Shieldbow doesnt have attack speed....
I dont like his coaching for one thing : "so i dont know why your team doesnt follow and help you" and in the next second " no dont help them farm" when if he help they will win couse its a team game not solo game your team is your family for this 20-30 mins
I dont know why would he be so nervous if hes legit 82% win rate. I used to play Yasuo a lot until I realised its just horrible in gold elo. but I wouldve played that so much better. Early on free kill on vlad 2 times and even on heca but oh well..
Unless you play mid or top Tryndamere, the only thing Neace should be coaching you on is general aspects of the game that are true for most if not every champ/lane.
iceborn is good on yas top it makes u more tanky like a top
I think 350 USD is too much for me.
is this a re up?
Hello i am watching this video. Now. In 2024! The age of the Orange 🍊 Ooooh, pants look at your haircut 😳 Ha! Geeyyyyyyy
hay video de modo arena hoy Pants ?
coached into a loss
his time is worth 350 not his coaching
Thanks god this scamming "challanger" got his downfall
Have game sense first and foremost, fuck his macro play his items levels all that shit, just have good game sense of when to do your job in team fight windows, master that only, and you will be amazed how many times you win the game.
I think he's worth every penny if you're serious about climbing.
Cope
there's better coaches that are cheaper and have better game knowledge. neace is fine for fundamentals, but fundamentals aren't worth whatever money he charges people and can be easily found on youtube for free anyway. it's better to get role specific coaching from people like eagz, kurtis, etc.
@@kyre4189 who would you recommend for jungle?
@@brentonhood if you want coaching sessions specifically then I know of eagz, Nathan Mott's saltu, and Virkayu. Nathan is probably the best price:performance for Master and below. Eagz for Challenger and if you can afford pricey coaching
@@brentonhood you'll probably be fine with a random $10 coach for fundamentals and lower elo
took my 42 minutes but Y? Also bind Yas ult to left click literally.
prob u reiew neace coaching is even more cringe than neace coaching itself its hard to acomplish that :D
😅heck all u need to climb is a premade lux or morg sup and u win game😅🤗heck i will do it for free heck no i will pay 350
18:00 ur so wrong pants...
u tell him bro, challenjour.
most people aren't so I would say that's a pretty safe bet
its not easy to coach someone.. anything.. BUT i think neace is a fraud for his prices! but its fine.. fools paying him ^^ also first time i see a decent yasuo and first time also i see yasuo afraid to dive in or go for kills :D
this yasuo SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS WTF
Like why tho
I dont know why you allways talk shit bro woow
absolute fkn scam lmfao.
Again if you need coaching for league just don't play
Absorb all this information? what? Hecarim is weak early... so much
yeah this yasuo is not boosted nobody thinks that xdd
Well hes only G4 .. He just had few lucky games playing against silvers.. the 82% winrate on yasuo is only 25 games.. My first 25 games with Graves as otp was the same, i won like 20 (Which is 80%WR) .. But 100 games later im at eme1 peak hopefully getting that diamond but now my WR is like 60% because the games are alot harder
@@franc9 he is really bad tho he plays like he has no idea what the champion can do even tho he has so many games with yasuo
Mmmm I don't think you know a lot about coaching anything competitive. NEACE is purposely bombarding information. It raises the stress level of the person causing them to fuck up, where they would fuck up in a stressful situation. You want people to break mentally to identify and exploit the problems they have. If you can't play under extreme stress, you'll never be a champion. Btw 85% win rate is a 30% win rate in Korea.
wrong lol