“The idea of embracing the Darkness, even to learn from it, was the final provocation. One that the Vanguard could not let stand.” Ulan-Tan: Darkness and the Light exist in a symmetry. Vanguard: Get out. The Drifter: How you livin, brother? Vanguard: Hahahaha funny ratman go DING
To be fair, Drifter showed up after the Red War and the traveller was stuck in a hamster-ball. And, the speaker is dead, who would have been the greatest voice screaming heresy.
As Sun Tzu said in 'The Art Of War' :"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle." I think this about sums up what Ulan-Tan tries to say.
Do you think the Traveler will speak to us and say what we need to know about the darkness to win? The Traveler knows the Pyramid Ships just as much as they know it.
It makes perfect sense Ulan tan was wrongly exiled as was Osiris both were speaking truths that everyone was afraid to hear or understand as it went against their views or schools of thought and well to be honest one should atleast view anything with an open mind
@@johngancarcik5682 they were both wrong. For Osiris, we know that the traveller does not control us and the speaker did indeed communicate with the traveler. For ulan tan, we know that the darkness and light are separate beings and while they created the universe they are not bound by its rules, then being separate existence means that if one is destroyed the other will continue, there is no balance in the universe between the light and dark, there never was.
@@johngancarcik5682 Osiris story sucks even more cause he didn't even want to have a cult of followers, like he actively hated his followers, yet the speaker still blamed him for it because he didn't want Osiris's "heresy" spreading. Which is still dumb cause he made very gods points.
@@davonhenry8645 the Traveler remained dormant after the collapse, and so did the pyramids, resting outside of the galaxy. When the Traveler awakened at the end of the campaign, the pyramids were reactivated as well. It's a balance
@@Onxide If Your alarm goes off in the morning does that mean you and the alarm are in balance? or that you need each other to exist? No, it just means while you were sleeping you heard the alarm and some up, when the Traveler woke it went out a pulse of energy that the darkness picked up, if it did not send out that wave there would be no reason for the darkness to return, just like the darkness did not come to our system for centuries in the golden age of why we have no mention of the darkness interacting with the Traveler for billions of years while it uplifted species. The K1 crew are likely responsible for it coming to our system since the insisted on messing around with the artist in the moon that was communicating with what seems to be the darkness out in deep space.
"Give a power to a Guardian and they shall know that power as a weapon, for when a Guardian chooses to alter the world, they do so with the bullet and the blade. Grant a Guardian godly power, and that Guardian shall fashion it into a perfect rifle. The demiurge of the Guardian is the gun." The demiurge of the Guardian... is the gun. -Ulan-Tan
To me, the Light represents forgiveness, second chances, mercy. While the darkness represents vengeance, an inevitable end, ruthlessness. Notice everything that I said represented both were things that humanity have both needed and wanted(which is which is up to you) for survival. The Light can be considered "good" but it can also be considered naive and childish and The Darkness can be considered "bad" but it can also be considered necessary.
Exactly. The traveler...if you think about it, is all goody two-shoes and that everything should be rainbows and stuff. No. Its reality we are talking about(in the destiny universe). The darkness may be evil, but its what we need. The traveler sugar codes things, even though we have lost some of our favorites and loved ones, it still does that. The darkness is really like the more....cold stone hard truth that we need.
The ties between the two are interesting, the darkness describes it self as winter, a force of supreme natural selection. The light raises civilizations which the darkness "tests", working together as two parts of a greater process. At least that's my interpretation.
Look again to the Unveiling lore book, the Wager entry specifically: "Here i wager that, given power over physics and the trust of absolute freedon, people will choose to build and *protect* a gentle kingdom *ringed in spears* . And not fall to temptation. And not surrender to division. And never yield to the cynicism that says, everyone else is so good that I can afford to be a little evil." Those specific parts show that the Gardener concedes the necessity of the Winnower and the Darkness in its own win condition so long as its kept in check; spears are weapons of war that bring death and violence and endings, but are controlled and can be selective to whom they are pointed at, unlike an impenetrable wall that keeps everything in or out, or a soft thing that will integrate every possible threat into itself and the inner complexity its supposed to be protecting. And now with the Prophecy dungeon, we know that the *use* of the Darkness abilities in of themselves hold no moral meaning. Which means that not only is us taking Darkness abilities totally fine so long as we don't also buy into its philosophies, the actual temptation, it's entirely possible the Gardener believed we would end up taking these powers and will still choose to protect those who can't protect themselves. That's how we defeat the Darkness, not through physical violence against a concept, but through proving it as a sentient idea philosophically wrong. If the Darkness creates the sharpest blades, then it'll make the greatest spears to protect the gentle kingdom in the Light.
Pretty much, make our own decision without it influencing us as much as possible. Refer to the Purity entry of The Sungular Exegete; "Perhaps this is why the Traveler never speaks. Its voice is too loud to be anything but coercion. It waits, breathless, for us to make our own choice."
Well the traveller is wrong. People have already chosen to be evil. Most of the first light bearers were not good people. The Darkness will win no matter what. If it destroys those who serve the light it proves that the weak die and the strong survive and if those who serve the light beat the darkness it still proves that the strong survive and the weak die.
Tacitus Kilgore that depends on what you consider the weak. Even if we defeat the darkness the weak will still die. All enemies will be crushed beneath our boot.There will still be malicious beings that prey on the weak. If we beat back the Darkness humanity will be safe but if we join the darkness we will also be safe.
Nicholas Squires are psychotic urges all that drives you? Influence gained: Kreia Influence lost: Kreia Light Side points gained Dark Side points gained Net Light side shift Net Dark side shift
If one is to understand the great mystery you must study all its aspects and embrace a larger view as opposed to the narrow dogmatic view of the vanguard
"Imagine The Traveller as a gigantic Basketball, able to shift it's size like a beam of the light it represents. Now, do the same with the Darkness, but rather than a ball, instead, think of it as a triangular hoop, it's shadowed 'net' giving way to the light of the basketball. We, as Guardians, can imagine ourselves as the basketball player, wielding the Traveller as we dribble it towards the hoop. If Ulan-Tan's teachings were false, the basketball would be unable to be 'dunked', as the shadow of the hoop would be impenetrable against the light of the basketball. Yet, as we practice this theory, the Light basketball passes through the Darkness hoop as described earlier. This is indicative of the balance between Light and Dark." - Luke the Flammable, Symmetrist
@@josefzalusky7307 simple, switch weapons as you deposit the orb, while you are still in hold {key} to deposit orb. It's super forgiving as well. No precision like pit.
"if you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. if you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory you gain you will also suffer a defeat. if you know neither the enemy or yourself, you will succumb in every battle" - The Art of War by Sun Tsu
If fighting is to result in victory then you must fight. Sun Tzu said that. And id say he knows a little more fighting then you do pal because he invented it. And then her perfected it so no living man could best him in the ring of honor
They should put Hermit Byf in game at some point, that'd be awesome, just seeking him out like Xür across the system, and instead of trinkets and munitions, he gives out lore
It would be an epic way to attain lore that will be lost with the removal of certain planets come Beyond Light. (added) Maybe even use the focused engram type system to be able to choose what kind of lore we want to attain. Get sent out into some part of the solar system to gain an "understanding" of the forces involved, then return to Hermit Byf to get the lore entry.
byf: maybe we were wrong about the symmetry and ulan tan ulan tan: THEY ALL CALLED ME CRAZY THEY ALL CALLED ME CRAZY no but seriously i have been a warlock of the symmetry since d1 out of all the warlock orders the praxics and the thanatonaughts and etc i always found his words the most interesting
You know what’s a “scary thought”? There are so many Pyramids (Darkness) to the singular Traveller (Light)... what if as Eris said, “a little poison to equal out an ocean of water”... What if the Traveller is the little bit of poison?
One could say the imbalance of the universe (the massive extinctions caused by the hive and societal collapses) are due to this many pyramids and too little travellers
Given how most every species in the universe, upon coming into contact with the Darkness or its minions, well, DIES, I think the Traveler is more like a drop of water in an ocean of poison.
@Peter Ahlstrom I meant it as what if the Traveller was the “evil” one? Having that “little” bit of light is what’s causing all the chaos in the universe. When the Darkness was all consuming, the pyramids appeared to be idle not advancing/warlike. The final shape had been achieved. Both “gods” work was done. Yes that means everything we fought for as guardians was a waste, but inevitable? Just a shower thought.
This fight is not just about beating back the darkness in front of us and at our gates but conquering the blackness inside us. That is our first and greatest enemy. For if we fail there, everything is lost because none of what we are or would be would exist any longer.
The darkness is on our doorstep and we still don’t even know what they are. That’s frightening considering it is theorized that it is our mortal enemy and we need to understand it to defeat it.
True but that same can be the said for the light. The light has always been at our doorstep, and we openly welcomed it blindly without understanding it fully
@@GrandpaJenkins9001 well, because the light gave life. You'll always welcome something that gives life and naturally reject something that has brought nothing but death...
@@johngancarcik5682 We know why it does what it does, because those who did deserve to did and everything should kill each other until only that which cannot be killed remain.
I love the tie bits of role play in your videos, "I renounce my place as a praxic, and embrace the symmetryst philosophies. If I am right, we will be saved. If I am wrong, wrap my body in the Vanguard banner."
Welcome to the club! I have always been a fan of the stoics and zen buddhism and have been excited to see this turn in the cosmic drama of Destiny. Going from this highly dualistic light v dark to adding moral agency to the character as well as universe. Cool times ahead i hope.
When Byf relinquished his Praxic title, I knew the libra just fell. I wonder if this means that we'll get some new characters that are enemy based, eg Spider and Mithrax. Always exciting things to think about during a stretch in-game. November can't come sooner
Hearing about “What god wields us?” reminds me of the Drifter asking the player if “we really trust our Ghost?” and remarking he doesn’t. Power given often comes with unseen tethers.
Defeating the Darkness would require embracing it's essence and principle as true, which would make it victorious. The Darkness isn't an enemy you defeat, it's what you defeat enemies with.
Ever since I discovered Ulan-Tan I have considered myself a part of the symmetrist order. This is one of my favorite topics in the game. Glad to have you as part of the group.
One of the problems I have with the "embracing the darkness" approach is that it seems to infer that the light is somehow inferior to the Dark, that victory against the dark is only possible through the use of more dark powers.
I like how Byf weaves in the lore of his own Guardian with the lore he is exploring. EDIT: Also, it is interesting that the proposed descriptions of the Darkness in the D1 Grimoire card parallel some of the enemy factions: Pujari’s proposal of an intangible force that comes from within parallels the Nightmares, and perhaps by extension the Hive. Saint-14’s proposal of an invading, physical alien armada parallels the Fallen and the Cabal. The Monist’s proposal of a technologically sophisticated force and information theory parallels the Vex.
Byf = a brother in balance. It seems most Guardians are making a similar choice, yet so very few are doing so as an informed, intelligent choice. Kudos to you, Brother!
Yes! I have been waiting for this day! I'm so glad you've accepted the Rule of Symmetry! I haven't believed the Praxic Order since your last video on Ulan-Tan!
Can I just say Symmetry is one of my favorite guns in the game, both for aesthetics and function? Love the sleek black and gold (and by extension this year's Solstice armor) and the 200 RPM full auto archetype and Revolution system.
I've been pretty clear in my clan Discord that I'm a symmetrist (yes, Titans can be philosophers). I see the Traveler as an agent of chaos, of unchecked, unsustainable life, and Darkness as a regulator. The Gardener who would not stop, and the Winnower making sure to keep everything neat and tidy. Glad to hear you address the question!
Hey byf, u know where the city is located, cause for the longest time i thought it was in Russia, but me and my friends did some digging and we think it is in either England or Canada or even Seattle or Chile, is there any lore that could explain it
Back in D1, I heard of some people analyzing the path of the Sun or something like that and stated it might be in South America, and in some of the dialog from D2 it's supported that is is somewhere in the Americas, as Devrim Kay refers to the city "across the pond" and Holliday states that she and her family had to cross the Panama river on their way to the city
Babitat 7 we rueled that also everywhere in Europe, because if the EDZ is in Switzerland, and hawthorn in one adventure said “as soon as i heard the city was attack i crossed the oceans” so that cant be
It's estimated near Chile or Argentina, there is a dialogue in which Hawthorne says that to travel to the EDZ from the farm, which is close to the city, you travel over an ocean. I think there is some lore in the colony saying that a dude on the tower saw another dude getting bit by a snake that lives only in south america, but im not really sure about that
I am pleased to hear you have embraced the ideals of Symmetry, Byf! For Light might banish Darkness... but the brightest Light casts the darkest Shadow. Sister Light has taught us much... but the time now comes to listen to the lessons Brother Darkness.
My favorite thing about Symmetry is that the base gun has the swirling patterns of the Darkness, while the ornament has the line and circle designs that are associated with the Light.
Seeing the character arc of byf as well as context for the new lore is a story I'm invested in. For the lore I believe it's a similar story to the sith and jedi. Both sides with misguided extremes were a blend of the two or the grey warriors/ guardians look to be the best solution. Looking forward to see the results
Bro....before you I never cared about lore for this game. Once I found you on YT, this made me watch sooo many videos about D2. I never understood why the following was so huge beside the game being amazing. So anyways THANK YOU so much for the videos and making my lockdown during this dark time/covid time AMAZING!!!
One thing I'm curious about is what made the Traveller stay in Sol, but leave in Riis? What was it about Humanity and its Golden age that was different from the Eliksini and their own Golden age? I mean, sure, both ended in a collapse but the Eliksini was abandoned right off the bat once the pyramid ships came (to our knowledge, at its *first* instance). Humanity entered a dark age and was given Ghosts and Guardians leading to the current city age and the ongoing *second* invasion of darkness.
It did move and was struck by Rasputin trying to get it to stay but we are unsure if it was simply going to earth or trying to flee personally i think the traveler leaves because fighting the darkness could lead to complete destruction of a system and if it leaves sure itll be damaged but could come back from it
We’ll never truely defeat the darkness, a throne that remains empty will eventually find a suitable heir and grow accustom to its privileges. Same with the light, thrones go to the next in line whoever sits in it be it through trickery, bloodshed to wars or playing in the shadows there will always be someone who will take charge all we have to do is wait and waiting can be for good or bad
I love the idea that Byf could be an in-universe character. One of the Praxics, a famed historian and scholar of deep lore. The last part of the video, where Byf renounced the Praxics and declared himself a Symmetrist, just drove that idea home for me. It's pretty much canon at this point, let's be real
Hey Byf, there's a dialogue in Prophecy Dungeon between Drifter and Emissary, uniquely the Emissary showed the Drifter what if the world were both light and dark only, and i think it is very interesting to analyze
It should be noted your speculation - when you refer to Eris and her thoughts in Unveiling - has a bit more support in the lore from this season, where she puts the thought another way: The Traveler lets Guardians do mostly whatever they want and never speaks (though it has Speakers, assuming one credits them with the ability to actually speak authoritatively for it rather than simply speaking to the whispers of Light that surround it). Eris posits that where the Winnower or Darkness commands, the Gardener or Traveler is silent because it understands that when a god speaks those subject to it must obey. Because to not do so would be heretical, antithetical to their subjecthood to that god. Thus a god's voice is, in a sense, coercive. And if the Traveler stands for the freedom of life to grow and self-determine, then it must remain silent until the last extremity.
Since the early days of D1 I supported the idea that the light and darkness where two sides of the same coin, but I must admit the whole Symmetry thing with Ulan-Tan kinda passed me by, so thanks for the insight. I too am a Symmetriest, ready to wield a shield of light and a sword of darkness to protect our city.
I think the idea that the darkness is nessisarry but how much is still a question and if we contain darkness within ourselves can we wipe out what we would consider bad darkness. I also believe that darkness is off the belief of death and a very Darwinistic prospective while the light is more free will and expression. And that we would consider the darkness inherently evil to our agenda but that does not make the powers themselves or the existence of darkness evil.
Your synopses sounds pretty spot on to me. The darkness definitely has that darwinism theme lol but it can also be used to do good. Think of the story of Shin Malphur or Dredgen Veil. If I remember correctly he wields the darkness too, but he uses his power to weed out and kill those who fully succumb to the wiles of the darkness (unless I completely misinterpreted his story)
@@TheForbidden_1ne from my understanding that's correct. Although I personally think he's becoming almost drunk with power. Not succumbing to the darkness but just thinks he's better then everybody else.
To me, light and darkness has always been part of the natural balance, like water and fire, predator and prey, without light there is no darkness, and vice versa. I feel the different theories are based on perspective, while some see them as representations of good and evil, others see them as two halves of one whole, and of course, others are not willing to accept one as a necessary part of nature.
The Singular Exegete (Means to an End) lore that was released on Aug 18, 2020, is basically the Darkness giving Savathun a finger wag as parent would when scolding a child would so it's not entirely amoral.
I hope down the road we get additional subclasses to the dark side of things, like the polar opposites for elements, equal as all things should be. 😊 these were the ones i thought of do you have and substitutions youd make? Solar
"We're here to teach... To tell you the truth... In Light... There is only lies, only weakness, only death... In Darkness, there is only truth... we will answer your cries in time... For now... Power awaits you on Europa"
Byf, will you discuss about the interference missions lore on the next video? or you gonna wait until all of the lore revealed and then discuss it? I really want to know about that lore and I think this video is really connected to it, thanks. Nice video btw :)
It always terrifies me when I remember that the Darkness could wipe us and our dormant Traveler entirely from this cosmos but doesn't want to, and the lack of an answer as to why is even more terrifying.
SPOILER . . . . . . Ulan-tan's vision of the darkness aligns pretty well with the piece of dialogue we'll have between the drifter and the emissary where the Drifter has a vision of a world without darkness, with a beast (iirc) begging to die and another vision in a world without light smelling of rotting corpse. Damn, I LOVE darkness lore
@@guibeck8259 Sorry if i wasnt clear, english isnt my first language, but theres a video out there( th-cam.com/video/xy7NJk9eeKI/w-d-xo.html ) with a conversation between drifter and the emissary that we'll get later in the season. The drifter experience in a vision a world full of darkness without light and a world full of light without darkness. One is full of death and a collapse, the other is in blinding light with a creature begin for death. I believe this shows that the nine believe that the world need both light and dark to continue, as did Ulan tan
Destiny crew need to add a guardian named Byf. Make him a philosopher and recorder of history. Have him lore wise give lectures on what his theories are. Because all the video’s I watch always seem to enrich myself into the destiny lore!😄
I love it how Destiny lore is in symetry with the real life. In this modern era we strugle more and more to be and stay the better half of ourselves, but the reality is harsh and unmercifull and challange us every day. I would go so far and say that the Destiny lore is almost a huge masterpiece in itself.
The author(s) of the story are on par with the greatest literature authors of all time. They use so many real life elements in the story that it's an masterwork in itself. I could go on and on to explain the similarities but not everyone appreciates good storytelling so I leave it to the imagination of those who do and see it the same way. We are few but still a force to be reconed with. Cheers
When ppl talk about "defeating the darkness" they dont mean the actual darkness, they mean the evil intentions of it. And im pretty sure with that comes a sacrafice. I think tht sacrafice will be the travelers will to protect all things and that will turn into our "burden" to carry. In the end, we will have the power of light and dark, but we will have control over both of their intentions and make necessary decisions that must be made for the survival of others.
@@anosvoldigoad3021 Fair enough, but I do believe the Darkness will be something we'll have to destroy somehow. This charade of Light and Dark must end or the universe will rip itself apart. The Gardener and Winnower will never work together again, so balance will not exist their own existence. True balance now is nonexistence of either entity... Power depends on if it goes away or not. Would require a major boost and some other-dimensional powers, but it's necessary.
Yes. It happen before in the 2400s at a heavy cost, it'll happen again in 4-5 years cause this time we'll be ready for sure. Once Beyond Light is out, we'll be in the year 2588, the early stages of the Second Collapse, then Shadow Queen will be the end of 2588 where things kicks up a notch, n by whatever the third expansion is called, it'll be either 2589 or 2590, the moment that both Light & Dark behind waiting for for over 150+ years apart. The only question is will be easy? Idk on that point
I wonder if there is a Dark Pyramid for every Guardian and/or light bearer. This would fit with Ulan-Tan's theories well. Also yes I am definitely in agreement with his theories. They make sense and would be interesting to see the story of Destiny come to terms with this as a reality.
Nice video!!👏👏 First i think there is still something missing because there are one or two tinks thats bothers me (still need to look for sth.) It's not about conquering the darkness (that reminds me of someone who failed with the light 🤔) , win against the darkness or the light losing. The whole idea is about reuniting both and becoming one again. But maybe Ulan-Tan heard someone whispering a song and he just wanted the guardians to switch the side or maybe he knew that after going through the darkness your light will shine brighter than ever before but who knows. 🤷♂️
Ah, yes, Symmetry... The seventh power. The seventh element. The seventh subclass. A harmony of the primary forces to be wielded in shaping the universe towards its destiny.
I kept thinking the lost sector on IO named after this warlock. And theres an object above it where ikora visited many many times. It oversee the place where the traveler once was and the pyramidon.
Honestly, I apply this concept in my life and it make things easier to handle. There are tons of people that show only light and my greatest concern is when the dark side comes up, can they really control it? Like the Warlock Aunor is an example, because if she's doing what she does and yet wields the light she is arguably more of a monster and almost Dredgen Yor tier is she completely falls. Like the Drifter, I wear both the light and dark sides of myself on my sleeves. The ones who really scare the hell out me, which is saying something, are the Ultra Instinct type goody two shoes types for the reasons I mentioned.
Great video. Is mere survival all we seek? What is life without principle? Look around us, we see examples of that crushing all that we once held dear. Is it not better to go down, in the defense of what is right, than to live in the shadow of chaos and madness?
My ideas on weapons, armour, abilities and knowledge are the same: always search for more, as your arsenal is never complete. Test everything against what you have and know, so you know your arsenal best. Always search for the best option in any scenario, as there is always a better/ more complete one, or one which will grant a different outcome. And lastly, keep their origins in mind, so you will not be used.
“The idea of embracing the Darkness, even to learn from it, was the final provocation. One that the Vanguard could not let stand.”
Ulan-Tan: Darkness and the Light exist in a symmetry.
Vanguard: Get out.
The Drifter: How you livin, brother?
Vanguard: Hahahaha funny ratman go DING
To be fair, Drifter showed up after the Red War and the traveller was stuck in a hamster-ball. And, the speaker is dead, who would have been the greatest voice screaming heresy.
ArchbishopTurpin Nah, it’s just Funny Rat Man
hmm or we fight on the side of shelter but the darkness fights for evolution which we may need to embrace to survive
Ratman go DING lol
Byf: "I renounce my place as one of the Praxics and I give myself over to the Symmetrist ideas"
Aunor: "So you have chosen Death"
Just what I was thinking.
what about...
Byf: "I renounce my place as one of the Praxics and I give myself over to the Symmetrist ideas"
Aunor: "So it's treason then?"
aunor is pretty much just space hitler,you’re either with her or you’re scared of her coming to hunt you
@@capivaraimperadora9703 Yeah, no. Aunor simply leads the Praxic Order, which doesn't like the use of The Darkness.
@No Rush She strikes down those who use the Darkness because she believes it to be evil. It really isn't complicated past that.
**gameplay starts and Byf is using the Symmetry**
Me: "Damn it, Byf. I see what you did there."
Well it was possibly ulan's gun so it makes sense
I knew I wasn’t the only one
He is also using the Symmetrist armor ornaments for his warlock too.
That clever warlock (reminds me of a video he used outbreak perfected and felwinters lie together)
missed opportunity to use it while fighting through grove of ulan tan
As Sun Tzu said in 'The Art Of War' :"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle."
I think this about sums up what Ulan-Tan tries to say.
Do you think the Traveler will speak to us and say what we need to know about the darkness to win? The Traveler knows the Pyramid Ships just as much as they know it.
“Your not my mom, Rahool!” *Proceeds to wear black armor and equips Bad Juju*
hey, don't insult Bad Juju, it's a good Pulse Rifle
*equips Thorn
Dark Lord Of The Sith equips it n hears the caccking of the juju n istime to wield the dark
NEWGHOST9 what did i just read
@@zuzu1443 Probably, too much exposure to the Gambit. As a Dredgen, I can confirm - it does horrible things to people
Love him or hate him, Ulan-Tan speaking straight facts.
It makes perfect sense Ulan tan was wrongly exiled as was Osiris both were speaking truths that everyone was afraid to hear or understand as it went against their views or schools of thought and well to be honest one should atleast view anything with an open mind
@@johngancarcik5682 they were both wrong. For Osiris, we know that the traveller does not control us and the speaker did indeed communicate with the traveler. For ulan tan, we know that the darkness and light are separate beings and while they created the universe they are not bound by its rules, then being separate existence means that if one is destroyed the other will continue, there is no balance in the universe between the light and dark, there never was.
@@johngancarcik5682 Osiris story sucks even more cause he didn't even want to have a cult of followers, like he actively hated his followers, yet the speaker still blamed him for it because he didn't want Osiris's "heresy" spreading. Which is still dumb cause he made very gods points.
@@davonhenry8645 the Traveler remained dormant after the collapse, and so did the pyramids, resting outside of the galaxy. When the Traveler awakened at the end of the campaign, the pyramids were reactivated as well. It's a balance
@@Onxide If Your alarm goes off in the morning does that mean you and the alarm are in balance? or that you need each other to exist? No, it just means while you were sleeping you heard the alarm and some up, when the Traveler woke it went out a pulse of energy that the darkness picked up, if it did not send out that wave there would be no reason for the darkness to return, just like the darkness did not come to our system for centuries in the golden age of why we have no mention of the darkness interacting with the Traveler for billions of years while it uplifted species. The K1 crew are likely responsible for it coming to our system since the insisted on messing around with the artist in the moon that was communicating with what seems to be the darkness out in deep space.
"Give a power to a Guardian and they shall know that power as a weapon, for when a Guardian chooses to alter the world, they do so with the bullet and the blade. Grant a Guardian godly power, and that Guardian shall fashion it into a perfect rifle. The demiurge of the Guardian is the gun."
The demiurge of the Guardian... is the gun.
-Ulan-Tan
This guy gets it. Give a guardian anything remotely powerful and it will be turned into a weapon
@@yongtm47 just wait till I get my hands on tess I'll make the Darkness pay
But then isnt the guardian the demiurge? not the true god creator but an artisan
I looked at the gardener.
I looked at my hands.
I discovered the first knife.
@@yongtm47 and then nerfed by Bunghole!
To me, the Light represents forgiveness, second chances, mercy. While the darkness represents vengeance, an inevitable end, ruthlessness. Notice everything that I said represented both were things that humanity have both needed and wanted(which is which is up to you) for survival. The Light can be considered "good" but it can also be considered naive and childish and The Darkness can be considered "bad" but it can also be considered necessary.
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Exactly. The traveler...if you think about it, is all goody two-shoes and that everything should be rainbows and stuff. No. Its reality we are talking about(in the destiny universe). The darkness may be evil, but its what we need. The traveler sugar codes things, even though we have lost some of our favorites and loved ones, it still does that. The darkness is really like the more....cold stone hard truth that we need.
The Light is Giving, the Dark is Taking.
The ties between the two are interesting, the darkness describes it self as winter, a force of supreme natural selection.
The light raises civilizations which the darkness "tests", working together as two parts of a greater process. At least that's my interpretation.
@@BirdMoose I love your description of it, especially with the new subclass being represented by ice
Welcome to the Dark, Byf. I can vouch, it is...liberating
we also have cookies 🍪
I am of the light but value information of both sides life needs balence also hi Bob :)
#bobhasspoken
NO BOB WHY WERE YOU CONSUMED NOOOO
@@ashekeillachaosdancer5589 I was going to ask about that, given the Dark Side of the Force is known for cookies. I'm hoping for macadamia nuts.
Look again to the Unveiling lore book, the Wager entry specifically:
"Here i wager that, given power over physics and the trust of absolute freedon, people will choose to build and *protect* a gentle kingdom *ringed in spears* . And not fall to temptation. And not surrender to division. And never yield to the cynicism that says, everyone else is so good that I can afford to be a little evil."
Those specific parts show that the Gardener concedes the necessity of the Winnower and the Darkness in its own win condition so long as its kept in check; spears are weapons of war that bring death and violence and endings, but are controlled and can be selective to whom they are pointed at, unlike an impenetrable wall that keeps everything in or out, or a soft thing that will integrate every possible threat into itself and the inner complexity its supposed to be protecting.
And now with the Prophecy dungeon, we know that the *use* of the Darkness abilities in of themselves hold no moral meaning. Which means that not only is us taking Darkness abilities totally fine so long as we don't also buy into its philosophies, the actual temptation, it's entirely possible the Gardener believed we would end up taking these powers and will still choose to protect those who can't protect themselves. That's how we defeat the Darkness, not through physical violence against a concept, but through proving it as a sentient idea philosophically wrong.
If the Darkness creates the sharpest blades, then it'll make the greatest spears to protect the gentle kingdom in the Light.
Sooo pretty much the Traveler is silent because it’s waiting for us to make a decision.
Pretty much, make our own decision without it influencing us as much as possible. Refer to the Purity entry of The Sungular Exegete;
"Perhaps this is why the Traveler never speaks. Its voice is too loud to be anything but coercion. It waits, breathless, for us to make our own choice."
Well the traveller is wrong. People have already chosen to be evil. Most of the first light bearers were not good people.
The Darkness will win no matter what. If it destroys those who serve the light it proves that the weak die and the strong survive and if those who serve the light beat the darkness it still proves that the strong survive and the weak die.
@@nezarec9700.... and yet, the strong can still protect the weak. Defeat the darkness, the weak are protected.
Tacitus Kilgore that depends on what you consider the weak. Even if we defeat the darkness the weak will still die. All enemies will be crushed beneath our boot.There will still be malicious beings that prey on the weak. If we beat back the Darkness humanity will be safe but if we join the darkness we will also be safe.
20:34 This just in: Byf becomes a Grey Jedi
Kreia Approves
Nicholas Squires are psychotic urges all that drives you?
Influence gained: Kreia
Influence lost: Kreia
Light Side points gained
Dark Side points gained
Net Light side shift
Net Dark side shift
Zapper my sides 🤣
Aren't we all though?
If one is to understand the great mystery you must study all its aspects and embrace a larger view as opposed to the narrow dogmatic view of the vanguard
The symmetry of the dorito and the white basketball - Ulan Tan
Volleyball 😉
"Imagine The Traveller as a gigantic Basketball, able to shift it's size like a beam of the light it represents. Now, do the same with the Darkness, but rather than a ball, instead, think of it as a triangular hoop, it's shadowed 'net' giving way to the light of the basketball. We, as Guardians, can imagine ourselves as the basketball player, wielding the Traveller as we dribble it towards the hoop. If Ulan-Tan's teachings were false, the basketball would be unable to be 'dunked', as the shadow of the hoop would be impenetrable against the light of the basketball. Yet, as we practice this theory, the Light basketball passes through the Darkness hoop as described earlier. This is indicative of the balance between Light and Dark." - Luke the Flammable, Symmetrist
Me: *watching video happily*
Byf: *Banks 8 motes*
Me *contuines watching while triggered*
Let's add that he didn't dupe the orb at 9:49 .
@@A.I.rchist he never does -_-
@@A.I.rchist How do you even do that?
@@josefzalusky7307 simple, switch weapons as you deposit the orb, while you are still in hold {key} to deposit orb.
It's super forgiving as well. No precision like pit.
@@A.I.rchist Huh. Neat
"To know your enemy, you must become your enemy."-Sun Tzu
To fight "terrorism," we must become "terrorism." Makes complete sense.
"if you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the result of a hundred battles.
if you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory you gain you will also suffer a defeat.
if you know neither the enemy or yourself, you will succumb in every battle" - The Art of War by Sun Tsu
If fighting is to result in victory then you must fight. Sun Tzu said that. And id say he knows a little more fighting then you do pal because he invented it. And then her perfected it so no living man could best him in the ring of honor
@@raziele92 well 🤔🤔 it does doesn't it. We must terrorize the terrorists lol
@@raziele92 Man talk about being so shallowminded
They should put Hermit Byf in game at some point, that'd be awesome, just seeking him out like Xür across the system, and instead of trinkets and munitions, he gives out lore
It would be an epic way to attain lore that will be lost with the removal of certain planets come Beyond Light. (added) Maybe even use the focused engram type system to be able to choose what kind of lore we want to attain. Get sent out into some part of the solar system to gain an "understanding" of the forces involved, then return to Hermit Byf to get the lore entry.
Would you be greeted with a "hello there"
(I'm sure people will miss this reference but to those who get it well done)
When you exit the vendor he says “I’ll see you starside”
@@johngancarcik5682 *ahem*
GeNeRaL kEnObI
THIS. IS. AMAZING!
byf: maybe we were wrong about the symmetry and ulan tan
ulan tan: THEY ALL CALLED ME CRAZY THEY ALL CALLED ME CRAZY
no but seriously i have been a warlock of the symmetry since d1 out of all the warlock orders the praxics and the thanatonaughts and etc i always found his words the most interesting
You know what’s a “scary thought”? There are so many Pyramids (Darkness) to the singular Traveller (Light)... what if as Eris said, “a little poison to equal out an ocean of water”... What if the Traveller is the little bit of poison?
One could say the imbalance of the universe (the massive extinctions caused by the hive and societal collapses) are due to this many pyramids and too little travellers
Given how most every species in the universe, upon coming into contact with the Darkness or its minions, well, DIES, I think the Traveler is more like a drop of water in an ocean of poison.
@Peter Ahlstrom I meant it as what if the Traveller was the “evil” one? Having that “little” bit of light is what’s causing all the chaos in the universe. When the Darkness was all consuming, the pyramids appeared to be idle not advancing/warlike. The final shape had been achieved. Both “gods” work was done.
Yes that means everything we fought for as guardians was a waste, but inevitable? Just a shower thought.
This fight is not just about beating back the darkness in front of us and at our gates but conquering the blackness inside us. That is our first and greatest enemy. For if we fail there, everything is lost because none of what we are or would be would exist any longer.
yeah but what if there's a shiny exotic for, like, not doing that?
5:11 this Bond of Reciprocity reading gave me goosebumps! I’ve always wanted more about Ulan-Tan ever since I heard about his philosophy.
The darkness is on our doorstep and we still don’t even know what they are. That’s frightening considering it is theorized that it is our mortal enemy and we need to understand it to defeat it.
True but that same can be the said for the light. The light has always been at our doorstep, and we openly welcomed it blindly without understanding it fully
@@GrandpaJenkins9001 well, because the light gave life. You'll always welcome something that gives life and naturally reject something that has brought nothing but death...
@@TheForbidden_1ne but one must be willing to ask why the dark does what it did. the only way to learn is ask questions without fear of the response
@@johngancarcik5682 We know why it does what it does, because those who did deserve to did and everything should kill each other until only that which cannot be killed remain.
byf: im no longer in praxic order symmetry new bestfriend
aunor: *loads 50 AE into hawkmoon* im bout to end this mans whole heresy
Shin malphur/ dredgen vale: hey, as long as he doesn't do anything bad, I'm fine
Shaira: I see statis therefor embracing that is darkness and thus outmost heretical, punishment is death.
@@funbro99 the term heretical to her will change real fucking quick after season 15s finally since the leaks are now confirmed
Mhm, we will see how long she will see stasis as punishable with death.
@@funbro99 fuck she probably gonna see light as just as bad and question her lifes goal
I love the tie bits of role play in your videos, "I renounce my place as a praxic, and embrace the symmetryst philosophies. If I am right, we will be saved. If I am wrong, wrap my body in the Vanguard banner."
I love byf's lore readings, he puts so much passion in his voice !
Ah, my favourite Street Fighter characters.
Doritos of Darkness and Bouncy Bowling Ball
BISON!!!!!!!
Welcome to the club! I have always been a fan of the stoics and zen buddhism and have been excited to see this turn in the cosmic drama of Destiny. Going from this highly dualistic light v dark to adding moral agency to the character as well as universe. Cool times ahead i hope.
When Byf relinquished his Praxic title, I knew the libra just fell. I wonder if this means that we'll get some new characters that are enemy based, eg Spider and Mithrax.
Always exciting things to think about during a stretch in-game. November can't come sooner
Edge Transit can’t be defeated. Nor avoided.
Unless you started this season because you physically can’t get it anymore :(
Dread it, run from it, Edge Transit arrives all the same.
He's too dangerous to be kept alive!
RemnantOfFire it is inevitable
but it can be dismantled
Hearing about “What god wields us?” reminds me of the Drifter asking the player if “we really trust our Ghost?” and remarking he doesn’t. Power given often comes with unseen tethers.
Defeating the Darkness would require embracing it's essence and principle as true, which would make it victorious.
The Darkness isn't an enemy you defeat, it's what you defeat enemies with.
Define the manner in which the Darkness would be "defeated" in the first place in this example, please.
I mean, not really. To truly embrace the Darkness we'd also have to continue its path. Which we're not going to do.
i like your declaration! it sorta plays to the story element that Byf the lore master is not just the youtuber but an in universe character as well
Ever since I discovered Ulan-Tan I have considered myself a part of the symmetrist order. This is one of my favorite topics in the game. Glad to have you as part of the group.
Aiiiii, I’m not the only one that waves the reticle around the dudes head 5 times before I can get it lined up
Me in crucible; dead before victory was even a twinkle in my eye
One of the problems I have with the "embracing the darkness" approach is that it seems to infer that the light is somehow inferior to the Dark, that victory against the dark is only possible through the use of more dark powers.
I like how Byf weaves in the lore of his own Guardian with the lore he is exploring.
EDIT: Also, it is interesting that the proposed descriptions of the Darkness in the D1 Grimoire card parallel some of the enemy factions:
Pujari’s proposal of an intangible force that comes from within parallels the Nightmares, and perhaps by extension the Hive.
Saint-14’s proposal of an invading, physical alien armada parallels the Fallen and the Cabal.
The Monist’s proposal of a technologically sophisticated force and information theory parallels the Vex.
Byf this unit of a man still plays on console. Respect is all I can give
I love how you sound so angry reading the bond. It's almost like you were there.
Yes! Beyond happy to see you put your two cents into this issue, it's one I've been considering over the last few weeks!
Byf = a brother in balance.
It seems most Guardians are making a similar choice, yet so very few are doing so as an informed, intelligent choice.
Kudos to you, Brother!
Yes! I have been waiting for this day! I'm so glad you've accepted the Rule of Symmetry! I haven't believed the Praxic Order since your last video on Ulan-Tan!
Can I just say Symmetry is one of my favorite guns in the game, both for aesthetics and function? Love the sleek black and gold (and by extension this year's Solstice armor) and the 200 RPM full auto archetype and Revolution system.
I've been pretty clear in my clan Discord that I'm a symmetrist (yes, Titans can be philosophers). I see the Traveler as an agent of chaos, of unchecked, unsustainable life, and Darkness as a regulator. The Gardener who would not stop, and the Winnower making sure to keep everything neat and tidy. Glad to hear you address the question!
Hey byf, u know where the city is located, cause for the longest time i thought it was in Russia, but me and my friends did some digging and we think it is in either England or Canada or even Seattle or Chile, is there any lore that could explain it
Back in D1, I heard of some people analyzing the path of the Sun or something like that and stated it might be in South America, and in some of the dialog from D2 it's supported that is is somewhere in the Americas, as Devrim Kay refers to the city "across the pond" and Holliday states that she and her family had to cross the Panama river on their way to the city
Babitat 7 we rueled that also everywhere in Europe, because if the EDZ is in Switzerland, and hawthorn in one adventure said “as soon as i heard the city was attack i crossed the oceans” so that cant be
It's estimated near Chile or Argentina, there is a dialogue in which Hawthorne says that to travel to the EDZ from the farm, which is close to the city, you travel over an ocean. I think there is some lore in the colony saying that a dude on the tower saw another dude getting bit by a snake that lives only in south america, but im not really sure about that
R Smith yea Chile i read the same article i think
Nikiforos Kliafas yea same as R smith
This guy is the best lore destiny 2 channel like his voice just sounds amazing idk y it just does
I am pleased to hear you have embraced the ideals of Symmetry, Byf! For Light might banish Darkness... but the brightest Light casts the darkest Shadow. Sister Light has taught us much... but the time now comes to listen to the lessons Brother Darkness.
My favorite thing about Symmetry is that the base gun has the swirling patterns of the Darkness, while the ornament has the line and circle designs that are associated with the Light.
Witherhoard and Ruinous Effigy have a similar aesthetic too with their ornaments.
I've been waiting for a new video. This season has got me feeling things I never felt before
It may be truly as simple as:
Light = Summer
Dark = Winter
These cosmos are likely in need of both.
Loved the enlightenment and the vid!
Seeing the character arc of byf as well as context for the new lore is a story I'm invested in. For the lore I believe it's a similar story to the sith and jedi. Both sides with misguided extremes were a blend of the two or the grey warriors/ guardians look to be the best solution. Looking forward to see the results
Bro....before you I never cared about lore for this game. Once I found you on YT, this made me watch sooo many videos about D2. I never understood why the following was so huge beside the game being amazing. So anyways THANK YOU so much for the videos and making my lockdown during this dark time/covid time AMAZING!!!
This is why I love destiny 2. It inspires new ideas and promotes outside thinking. Things we usually don't think about and new possibilities.
Someone has probably already commented this, but Byf is using Symmetry(the gun) in a video about the Symmetry (Ulan-Tan’s ideology). Well done, Byf.
Byf just inserted himself into the lore of Destiny and I am 100% ok with this.
I've been listening to ulan-tan this whole time and all I gotta say is I TOLD THOSE STUBBORN PRAXICS KNOWLEDGE IS KEY.
One thing I'm curious about is what made the Traveller stay in Sol, but leave in Riis? What was it about Humanity and its Golden age that was different from the Eliksini and their own Golden age?
I mean, sure, both ended in a collapse but the Eliksini was abandoned right off the bat once the pyramid ships came (to our knowledge, at its *first* instance). Humanity entered a dark age and was given Ghosts and Guardians leading to the current city age and the ongoing *second* invasion of darkness.
It did move and was struck by Rasputin trying to get it to stay but we are unsure if it was simply going to earth or trying to flee personally i think the traveler leaves because fighting the darkness could lead to complete destruction of a system and if it leaves sure itll be damaged but could come back from it
We’ll never truely defeat the darkness, a throne that remains empty will eventually find a suitable heir and grow accustom to its privileges. Same with the light, thrones go to the next in line whoever sits in it be it through trickery, bloodshed to wars or playing in the shadows there will always be someone who will take charge all we have to do is wait and waiting can be for good or bad
Been a while since i heard ulan tann be brought up. Surprising since his theory holds more water than any other right now
I love the idea that Byf could be an in-universe character. One of the Praxics, a famed historian and scholar of deep lore. The last part of the video, where Byf renounced the Praxics and declared himself a Symmetrist, just drove that idea home for me. It's pretty much canon at this point, let's be real
I was drawn to ulan-tan back in D1 when I saw his bond for sale with the speaker, seeing all this in a new light post-lightfall is neat
Hey Byf, there's a dialogue in Prophecy Dungeon between Drifter and Emissary, uniquely the Emissary showed the Drifter what if the world were both light and dark only, and i think it is very interesting to analyze
this was one of your best posts EVER
Me after hearing Byf uses Platinum Starling: another being of culture I see
Good stuff. My favorite video of yours I've gotten around to watching in awhile. Keep up the good work.
It should be noted your speculation - when you refer to Eris and her thoughts in Unveiling - has a bit more support in the lore from this season, where she puts the thought another way: The Traveler lets Guardians do mostly whatever they want and never speaks (though it has Speakers, assuming one credits them with the ability to actually speak authoritatively for it rather than simply speaking to the whispers of Light that surround it). Eris posits that where the Winnower or Darkness commands, the Gardener or Traveler is silent because it understands that when a god speaks those subject to it must obey. Because to not do so would be heretical, antithetical to their subjecthood to that god. Thus a god's voice is, in a sense, coercive. And if the Traveler stands for the freedom of life to grow and self-determine, then it must remain silent until the last extremity.
I too have become a Symmetrist this season. So much lore pointing to the need to "balance" the light and dark.
Haven’t even watched, but I’m sure it’s great! Thanks for all the cool lore vids!
Since the early days of D1 I supported the idea that the light and darkness where two sides of the same coin, but I must admit the whole Symmetry thing with Ulan-Tan kinda passed me by, so thanks for the insight.
I too am a Symmetriest, ready to wield a shield of light and a sword of darkness to protect our city.
I think the idea that the darkness is nessisarry but how much is still a question and if we contain darkness within ourselves can we wipe out what we would consider bad darkness. I also believe that darkness is off the belief of death and a very Darwinistic prospective while the light is more free will and expression. And that we would consider the darkness inherently evil to our agenda but that does not make the powers themselves or the existence of darkness evil.
Your synopses sounds pretty spot on to me. The darkness definitely has that darwinism theme lol but it can also be used to do good. Think of the story of Shin Malphur or Dredgen Veil. If I remember correctly he wields the darkness too, but he uses his power to weed out and kill those who fully succumb to the wiles of the darkness (unless I completely misinterpreted his story)
@@TheForbidden_1ne from my understanding that's correct. Although I personally think he's becoming almost drunk with power. Not succumbing to the darkness but just thinks he's better then everybody else.
Love the vids! Just wondering when we can see the next 4 hour lore catchup for destiny. Loved the first one!
To me, light and darkness has always been part of the natural balance, like water and fire, predator and prey, without light there is no darkness, and vice versa. I feel the different theories are based on perspective, while some see them as representations of good and evil, others see them as two halves of one whole, and of course, others are not willing to accept one as a necessary part of nature.
The Singular Exegete (Means to an End) lore that was released on Aug 18, 2020, is basically the Darkness giving Savathun a finger wag as parent would when scolding a child would so it's not entirely amoral.
I love how philosophical the Light vs Darkness ideas can get
I hope down the road we get additional subclasses to the dark side of things, like the polar opposites for elements, equal as all things should be. 😊 these were the ones i thought of do you have and substitutions youd make?
Solar
Nah, how about S T R I N G
"We're here to teach... To tell you the truth... In Light... There is only lies, only weakness, only death... In Darkness, there is only truth... we will answer your cries in time... For now... Power awaits you on Europa"
The darkness seems to be the best option to believe since they didn't fill people with pride, arrogance, and a sense of immortality.
@@GrandpaJenkins9001 lol *see the story of Auryx, Xi Ro, and Sathona*
@@GrandpaJenkins9001 Everyone believes they'll win the next battle they have. Otherwise, there's no point in fighting.
Byf, will you discuss about the interference missions lore on the next video? or you gonna wait until all of the lore revealed and then discuss it? I really want to know about that lore and I think this video is really connected to it, thanks. Nice video btw :)
It always terrifies me when I remember that the Darkness could wipe us and our dormant Traveler entirely from this cosmos but doesn't want to, and the lack of an answer as to why is even more terrifying.
More relevant now than ever!
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Ulan-tan's vision of the darkness aligns pretty well with the piece of dialogue we'll have between the drifter and the emissary where the Drifter has a vision of a world without darkness, with a beast (iirc) begging to die and another vision in a world without light smelling of rotting corpse.
Damn, I LOVE darkness lore
What?
@@guibeck8259 Sorry if i wasnt clear, english isnt my first language, but theres a video out there( th-cam.com/video/xy7NJk9eeKI/w-d-xo.html ) with a conversation between drifter and the emissary that we'll get later in the season. The drifter experience in a vision a world full of darkness without light and a world full of light without darkness. One is full of death and a collapse, the other is in blinding light with a creature begin for death. I believe this shows that the nine believe that the world need both light and dark to continue, as did Ulan tan
Destiny crew need to add a guardian named Byf. Make him a philosopher and recorder of history. Have him lore wise give lectures on what his theories are. Because all the video’s I watch always seem to enrich myself into the destiny lore!😄
I love it how Destiny lore is in symetry with the real life. In this modern era we strugle more and more to be and stay the better half of ourselves, but the reality is harsh and unmercifull and challange us every day. I would go so far and say that the Destiny lore is almost a huge masterpiece in itself.
The author(s) of the story are on par with the greatest literature authors of all time. They use so many real life elements in the story that it's an masterwork in itself. I could go on and on to explain the similarities but not everyone appreciates good storytelling so I leave it to the imagination of those who do and see it the same way. We are few but still a force to be reconed with. Cheers
And now we have stasis! Dual wielding Light and Dark like a bause! XD
Using Darkness? Learning from it? Sure. Simple.
Defeating it? Necessary, or all will be extinguished.
An open mind and great care must be taken when learning from such
But we can apply what we learn to defeating the darkness
Hey! You're the person who has the orbit music playlist! Thanks for making it!
When ppl talk about "defeating the darkness" they dont mean the actual darkness, they mean the evil intentions of it. And im pretty sure with that comes a sacrafice. I think tht sacrafice will be the travelers will to protect all things and that will turn into our "burden" to carry. In the end, we will have the power of light and dark, but we will have control over both of their intentions and make necessary decisions that must be made for the survival of others.
@@anosvoldigoad3021 Fair enough, but I do believe the Darkness will be something we'll have to destroy somehow. This charade of Light and Dark must end or the universe will rip itself apart. The Gardener and Winnower will never work together again, so balance will not exist their own existence. True balance now is nonexistence of either entity... Power depends on if it goes away or not.
Would require a major boost and some other-dimensional powers, but it's necessary.
Yes. It happen before in the 2400s at a heavy cost, it'll happen again in 4-5 years cause this time we'll be ready for sure. Once Beyond Light is out, we'll be in the year 2588, the early stages of the Second Collapse, then Shadow Queen will be the end of 2588 where things kicks up a notch, n by whatever the third expansion is called, it'll be either 2589 or 2590, the moment that both Light & Dark behind waiting for for over 150+ years apart. The only question is will be easy? Idk on that point
The music at the end is a head banger.
my man was about to die for the symmetry beliefs at the end there lol
Literally just watched the Savathun video and this popped up. Nice.
I wonder if there is a Dark Pyramid for every Guardian and/or light bearer. This would fit with Ulan-Tan's theories well. Also yes I am definitely in agreement with his theories. They make sense and would be interesting to see the story of Destiny come to terms with this as a reality.
Just coming back to state for the record, HE CALLED IT 🤣🤣. Good on you Byf for all your awesome insight to the lore
Somewhere in the Light, Ulan-Tan’s spirit is laughing at the Vanguard.
Ze symmetry is a gorgeous and finely tuned weapon that perfectly balances speed and power into one tool
Nice video!!👏👏 First i think there is still something missing because there are one or two tinks thats bothers me (still need to look for sth.) It's not about conquering the darkness (that reminds me of someone who failed with the light 🤔) , win against the darkness or the light losing. The whole idea is about reuniting both and becoming one again. But maybe Ulan-Tan heard someone whispering a song and he just wanted the guardians to switch the side or maybe he knew that after going through the darkness your light will shine brighter than ever before but who knows. 🤷♂️
It's Vorlons vs Shadows from Babylon 5 all over again. Or Savathun is creating her own paracausal force.
Ah, yes, Symmetry... The seventh power. The seventh element. The seventh subclass. A harmony of the primary forces to be wielded in shaping the universe towards its destiny.
My name is byf=vaatividya but for destiny I would absolutely adore a collab between those 2 lore daddies
Byf with his subtle flexes. Flawless sniper.
The ocean to poisen comparison is a good one, because the balance does indeed need not be 50/50 but rather a pareto distribution. Meaning 80/20.
"...can we continue to milk the same 4 enemy groups with simple reskins..."
Prepare for nightmares
Great video! You've fired me up for the next expansion!
I kept thinking the lost sector on IO named after this warlock. And theres an object above it where ikora visited many many times. It oversee the place where the traveler once was and the pyramidon.
Honestly, I apply this concept in my life and it make things easier to handle.
There are tons of people that show only light and my greatest concern is when the dark side comes up, can they really control it? Like the Warlock Aunor is an example, because if she's doing what she does and yet wields the light she is arguably more of a monster and almost Dredgen Yor tier is she completely falls.
Like the Drifter, I wear both the light and dark sides of myself on my sleeves. The ones who really scare the hell out me, which is saying something, are the Ultra Instinct type goody two shoes types for the reasons I mentioned.
Great video. Is mere survival all we seek? What is life without principle? Look around us, we see examples of that crushing all that we once held dear. Is it not better to go down, in the defense of what is right, than to live in the shadow of chaos and madness?
My ideas on weapons, armour, abilities and knowledge are the same: always search for more, as your arsenal is never complete. Test everything against what you have and know, so you know your arsenal best. Always search for the best option in any scenario, as there is always a better/ more complete one, or one which will grant a different outcome. And lastly, keep their origins in mind, so you will not be used.