LukeFurno reverse Russian sometimes has it’s difficulties when learning English so he has like a month and a week to learn so expect some grammar mistakes
Asher’s outrage at the Pyramid’s continued attempts to outscience him is pretty funny. He even calls it an “unaccredited prismoid” in one of the Exodus quest descriptions. When I first read that entry about him shooting the Pyramid as if he’s poking it with a stick and the Pyramid trolling him by erasing his shot, I was picturing him raging like Yosemite Sam.
@@craigshort7462 Just a case of him not wording things right and people getting confused. He does that seeing as not everyone has the same understanding of the Vex and other things as him.
"He briefly entertained the thought of leaving a letter, but there were others more deserving of his thoughts. And if he worked in descending priority, he might never make it to his assistant, which would defeat the purpose of the exercise completely." That's some good shit.
Personally, I kinda like him. He was a jerk, but I found his character complex and I like the theoretical experiments of his and such. But man, talk about taking one for the team! He pulled a mini Saint-14 on them and then became one of them to do his part in hopefully saving everyone? I think that’s pretty rad.
The power of good writing. Honestly, Asher was all set for something like this. He was a complicated character that they didn't have a lot of time for, unfortunately, but honestly, the fact he tried to understand something as abstract as the vex, his personal experiences with them turning him into an almost Ahab-level of obsessed, the contradiction this placed with them on their arm, What lore we got of him (please read his dreaming city lore tab, the one that features him and Ikora), How he changed so hard, at a fundamental level, when talking about/to his fireteam and Eris, all made for a complex and layered character you couldn't just look at the one-liners to see all their was and Its all incredible build-up to this one moment. What i hope *isn't* their final moment. This would be a satisfying ending to Asher's story, but the implications of Asher doing this, and coming out the other end would be amazing, even if it was as a future enemy.
hehehe88 - This is what people who ignore the lore don’t get. They see “annoying dialogue, don’t like” but miss these riveting story elements that truly make the character! For the questionable things that Bungie has done with their games, no one can ever say that they’re not storytelling artists! Their lore department is on another level and, personally, I think that is amazing!
Asher is probably my favorite npc, going to miss him. I do agree that Asher is probably gone, one way or another, whether he attempted to pull down the pyramid, or gave himself to the Vex. Would be interesting if the Vex let him survive, in order to study the Light of a willing guardian. Brakion = Arm, Asher has a corrupted Vex arm. Panoptes = The All Seeing, Brother Vance is blind. Great video.
I feel like the phrase "brought the lake down" was a very particular choice of words, and I am just perplexed by it. If we look into the definitions of bring down, there are the more literal terms of moving things or calming people down. And of course, there's collapsing a structure. However, one that could possibly hold some credence here is to defeat or overcome something. He brought the lake down. He defeated the lake. He overcame the lake. Perhaps Asher discovered a way to affect the lake? Not in any way to destroy it, but to overcome it. Perhaps he found a way to make it work to his advantage. Embrace the vex that is already in him, but turn it around somehow. Maintain control. Overcome the lake by using it to his advantage. This is all still speculation, and honestly quite vague, but I think this could possibly be what they mean. I also, just like the idea of Asher finding a way to assimilate with the Vex in order to keep his mind, but boost it with the computational power of the collective. idk, spinfoil dreams, I guess.
The first entry of Asher reminded me of Hickok45: "Asher here, today I've got something a little bit different for you; We are going to see what happens when i launch several projectiles towards that overly large Dorito."
The vex have always been such a strange entity in the context of the darkness vs light. Though they're *obviously* our enemy, they don't entirely seem like they have to be. There's also the really bizarre case of the stuff they did to Nessus, and how it seems like while yes they converted it into a machine world, it's still HABITABLE for some reason; some scannables even point out that the weird red plants on the planet are being used by the Vex too. But animals live on Nessus and everything. Obviously part of this is thanks to the remnants of the Exodus Black, as a colony ship that had hundreds of years to sit and degrade, but it's really quite strange. The problem probably just boils down to them being a hive mind. You can't reason with a hive mind like you can with organics. I mean, I doubt we could ever reason with the Hive themselves either, but it's probably not *entirely* out of the question. Because ultimately, their goal of surpassing both the light and the dark seems quite in line with what might be the path we'll try to take, too. It's just that they by nature typically end up finding everything that isn't them as a threat to their goal. To have an equal probably goes against their design. Which is a bit of a shame, because I'd kind of like to see some "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" situations with us in general regarding the darkness, because it's really not good for either of us. The fallen are harnessing it, the hive basically embody it and can already Take Vex. (and the cabal are irrelevant /s) ...Plus there's that... weird connection Exos have with Vex, too... If they weren't a hive mind like they are, I do feel like there might be enough basis for them to call a temporary truce with humanity. It'd be kinda cool to see, but I highly doubt that'll ever happen, short of a surge of deviancy that leads to an independent submind or something.
You can reason with a hive mind, but when you do then the hive mind might stop being so hive minded. It's already been shown that there are vex "splinters" that will break off from the greater in order to pursue what they believe to be the best course of action. And in the case of vex taking gaurdians, they show a very notable change of what you would consider to be normal Vex nature. I don't really see the Vex as the enemy myself, I see them more as an entity that really is ironically very single minded and simplistic in their comprehensions of our dimension. They will pursue their goal with seeming mindlessness, but upon providing them with enough proof of your own competency, they will relent, and reconsider what you are to them.
Actually even before this in the case failsafe and her crew, instead of annihilating them, they attempted to replicate the captain who according to Fail safe "loved machines". The Vex CAN be reasoned with, but to do so; first you must spark their curiosity, or prove to be a greater threat than they can contain.
On the topic of hive minds Crysis 3 covers it very good. About halfway through the campaign you the nanosuit operator Alcatraz "Prophet" after having had some nano-procedures that manipulated the suits internal mechanisms that allow you the wearer to bend this newly unlocked nano-power to your own will; they then connect to a hivemind node thingy and gain temporary power and control over the ceph nearby until a reaver??(the big guy with the alien plasma rocket launcher) crashes down and ruins that party. Prophet now disconnected from the hivemind node becomes supercharged, slays everything while in this supercharged state taking much reduced damage with no suit energy loss. After the area is clear and suit returns to normal he radios back and says words to the effect of "the hivemind is raw power of which i can manipuate"; which he does in the boss encounter by first disabling 3 central hivemind nodes(using this hivemind manipulating power) within the buried superstructure at the base of the worm-hole generator which also conveniently becomes the alpha-ceph boss arena. Now imagine this in a D2 context but Asher Myir fully vexified(presumably with full control of himself) within the hivemind of the vex helping and/or actively hindering anything and everything and they may not be able to counter his efforts???
The Vex have a strange goal, but kind of understandable in the form of a hive mind hyper intelligent AI. They cannot understand the Light as they cannot replicate it. Just like they can't replicate the Dark. Meaning they will TRY to understand it, to try and replicate it infinitely, driving the hive mind into a rampant state over eons. So they worshipped the Heart of the Black Garden a source of Dark, in hopes it would give answer the Vex saught, which then failed them by the interactions of the light. The future the Vex want is one with no light, no dark, no life, no change. The vex would then understand everything, their would be no factors to consider or need to continue growing, replicating, learning, simulating. A future with only 1 possibility and no more infinite possibilities. The Vex won't be dividing by zero any longer. The Vex are very likely a race that had better intentions in their origins and lost themselves with their power and madness caused by infinite futures and some they can not simulate and know. With Asher as a willing sacrifice though the Vex can in a sense pseudo simulate the light as they were abled to pseudo simulate the dark with the Black Garden's Heart. In turn possibly worshiping the light? Its not hard to believe with the monument/tomb they built for Saint-14 before even that event which was written in stone was altered with their very own power combined with the unpredictable nature of Light.
Of all the Vendor’s Fates that I must know of Brother Vance’s is one I’m the most curious of....already saw Mylein’s Video on it and now just waiting with anticipation for Byf too cover it .....Some Hope for the Future.....
Yeah he's a really cool character and his last stand was really good. It was a great send off to the character, as I'm not sure if he's coming back like the others could as much as I like him because the voice actor is dead.
Been waiting for this video, loving the attention given to Asher’s personal experiences of Io, the Vex, and the Darkness this season. Taking matters into his own hands and doing whatever the hell it was he even did was a worthy send off, though I do hope he might find his way back to us.
The darkness making those missiles disappear could be a cool way to explain the vaulted content. Essentially making the planets disappear while not destroying them
Just remembered something. A while ago during one quest asher mentioned that he had uploaded a virus into the vex collective and that it was an experiment that shall unfold in time. Got me thinking if that will come into play at all if he is converted.
@@lunar-1340 Failsafe is a regular AI. She has some degree of self-learning and can simulate a personality to a degree, but she can't have new ideas on her own. She can't develop thoughts herself. It took her hundreds of years to manage to interact with Vex systems in any degree, and interacting with computer systems is more or less her singular purpose.
I have a feeling that one of the 3 vendors that are supposedly dying will be brought back in some way later on. Probably not Sloane, but I have a good feeling that either Asher or Vance will be seen again. Maybe we'll find Asher in the Pyramidion on Europa? Maybe as a complete vex similar to the simulation of the captain in the harpy on Nessus. Very interesting.
@Bringer of Death My only reason to suspect him is all of the stuff with the Lighthouse and the notes he can hear from it possibly being important later. I'd much rather see Asher come back tho, he's way more enjoyable than Vance
Everyone giving names to a possible Asher Mir vex axis mind, but I personally think that Asher Mir, Impossible Mind would be most fitting, not only as a nod and joke about Asher's use of the word impossible, but also due to the fact that he would be something impossible, a Vex mind that is fully independent or at the very least with a sentience that isn't Vex, and thus is willing to help us.
ngl, out of all the text lines in the game. Hearing this bro finally break down and say how his attitude was to distract him of his fear of what will happen to him was one of the only memorable lines I can remember from old d2. Props to the VA, he fucking nailed it.
The Warlock looked down at the moon one more time, once more before he had to leave it for good. He knew what was coming and knew he had to leave it, but his mind went back to his crazed kin. He could not simply leave. But he must. He could not abandon a fellow guardian, he had done that too many times, allowed to many to be harmed. The Awoken, The Red War…Cayde. He wouldn’t abandon one who had already given so much. But he must. He had knocked on the doors of gods, challenged the Darkness in its own domain and won, wielded Arc to vaporize foe after foe in countless battles. He could save one man, he could not let him throw himself away. But he must. He remembered the look in his fellow Awoken’s eyes when he spoke of his plans, clearly not realizing he had been there. His plan was madness, mad as he was, he would never succeed. But he must. His ghost looked up at him, “We should go. Shaxx sent for us.” He knew he had to. He knew that each guardian had their part, and some part of him envied the mad warlock, being able to die in a place so holy. And so he went, back to his own fight, but he made a promise that one day. He would return to Io. He would find that madman and bring him home. He must.
“You are now entering the path to the center of the lake where I was...afflicted.” Ghost: “What lake?!” *He reached with both and brought the lake down* Ghost: “oh? That lake.”
Quite the interesting question you posed; Did Asher chose to stand with the Vex or did he commit a scorched earth move, with either resulting in his likely death? when I saw that entry, my thought process was that Asher's revenge was not completed with the destruction of the Genesis Mind; he needed to destroy the very thing it was steward over. but now that I heard things from another perspective; Asher may have committed both, in that he joined the Vex to fight the Darkness and denied it an asset. if that is the case, it'll be interesting to see how we'll encounter Asher again after dealing with the Darkness (even if only briefly)
I’m curious that if they decide to go with this kind of path, is it possible that we’ll meet Asher again in the vault of glass? Will he maybe be the reason we are to go to VoG when it is rereleased? Will Asher call upon his assistant to help defeat atheon (or whoever replaces him)?
I personally love the little touch of reality that sometimes gets sprinkled into the lore, like the fact that Asher drinks coffee. We may be god slayers but we still need our caffeine. It's the little details in this game that I love so much
I always thought Asher was just a meager scholar, detached from the world and unfit to fight (despite him being a Guardian). So it was somewhat of a surprise to see him fighting his way into the Pyramidion.
This was one of my favorite lore pieces of all time. Great way to end it. Sad ending but the writers did an incredible job . Also IO is just a great place. Visuals,music,etc
So glad I looked up the harpy in the last city override being Asher Mir. Glad this comes together in the lore and the game several months later to pay off. I admit I do not know as much of the lore as I should, but even with Asher Mir now in the last city at the end of the season of the splicer, a season focused heavily on the vex trying to sap the power of the city by casting it in an endless night, I have many questions. The vex never stopped attacking us, they never seemed to have learned independently from Quira commands that this wasn’t going to work. Doesn’t seem like any Mind took into consideration that their orders to destroy us was not the play. No infinitude of scenarios were played out, no doubt or second thought occured. Yet when Asher Mir went to the pyramidium and stood against the darkness the vex eventually recalculated and let him pass. Do the vex even understand they are being manipulated by the taken? Do they care? Do they understand any of their interactions with the various species they encounter?
I'm gonna be honest, I already read the lore on Asher as he's one of my favourite characters in the game. But I always tune in to a good old Byf video. His narration and voice make this channel top tier.
I hope one day we'll see him as mostly Vex object, him giving us insight to what they're planning for the future, giving us information, perhaps a gun, maybe even tech to see into different realities.
In the future, when these locations get un-vaulted, I wonder if we're going to have to fight corrupted/enemy versions of the different vendors in order to retake the planets.
Honestly knowing Asher, he would get turned into a Vex mind, fragment his section into a separate Hive mind, and pull an Eris/Mara and use Vex Resources against the Vex/Darkness. Wouldn't it be cool to have "Asher-The Impossible Mind" VS Quira Blade Transform?
Mad respect, Curb stomping Vex, bending lasers around him, and Bringing down lakes. As a titan, I am impressed. I toast my mug of blue Crayola to you Asher Mir.
Two things I want to see. Khbyr as a special Vex boss we have to fight, and Ashed as a Vex Harpy who has retained his sense of self. Can you imagine how hilarious that would be?
In a future event or dlc, we should roll up on a vex structure being attacked by some type of enemy, and, similarly to the harpy in the Exodus Black quest, we just hear "Assistant. Help. Defend. Vex" or something and we help the vex defend the structure, and in return we get an exotic armor that allows you to have a 3% chance to convince a vex to help you by aiming at them, but it only works the first time you aim at the enemy.
BYF! I beg of you to make a video about Savathuns Song, and all the various places its been laced into music throughout the year. I only realised yesterday how often it has popped upo, and the whole concept of it being a viral chant that is infectious, only to realise yesterday that I had been hearing it for a year without even noticing gave me chills.
The description of the Vex "twitching and stuttering" sounds like they were entranced. It reminded me of the Arecibo mission. Strange, considering Rasputin supposedly shut down before this moment. There aren't many other examples of Vex being overwritten by resonant frequencies that I can recall.
Byf, do you think the virus Asher created in one of the adventures on Io, might have been Asher preparing for a day like this? Maybe he uploaded his consciousness to preserve his sense of self if he ever became a Vex.
@@Techhunter_Talon Considering some doughnut at Bungie forgot how many fingers Spider has I’m not overly hopeful. Sloane and Asher have been done so dirty by Bungie; Sloane never had a chance to show is how cool she is and Asher ... well, they created this awesome character concept (his affliction) and then forgot about it after year 2.
So is it weird that I dreamt that I was actually a guardian using stasis powers and whenever I popped my super, the darkness would talk to me in my head?
This lore card reminds me of "O Captain", the Adventure arc on Nessus. The captain who became part of the Vex and yet wasn't hostile. I feel like this is not the end of Asher but instead, his evolution.
Thought I'd pop back here because some of the lore tabs in the Season of the Splicer mention Asher. lakshmi-2 used a Vex-derived machine to look a possible futures and I think at least one mentions a Vex Portal and Asher talking. Its entirely possible we are going to do much the same we did with Saint and Drag him back to reality. That or put a bullet in his new Fully converted Vex body. (Or this his how we get "Friendly Vex" along with the Captain of the Exodus black)
My first time reading the line about the snail, I didn't think anything of it. It was only hearing you reading it that I realised that the Darkness had done it.
It's my belief that Asher is trying to fully convert himself into a Vex and my hope that some time in the future, (D3 maybe) we encounter elements of a new Vex faction, like the Hezen Protective, Sol Progeny etc, and at the end of a strike/story we find the Paracausal Mind leading them before awakening Asher's consciousness in his new chrome chassis.
How cool would it be if these lore tabs were all shorts. It would make us guardians appreciate the vendors a lot more, we see their emotions and just them in action.
Darkness: *Arrives*
Asher: "So we're gonna run some tests today" *pulls out multiple missiles*
This made my day I laughed so hard
Mad lad grumpy curmudgeon
Ashir "you dare challenge me?"
*pulls out a nuke*
More like
*Pulls out Railgun*
*ricochets*
They dared interfere with his research by giving him a headache with their racket
xD
Hes a warlock. He *IS* the nuke
I look forward to the day when we're approached by a vex mind and then hearing, "I have need of you again, assistant!"
@@deltaace861 yep that sounds about right for Asher
Bungie....
MAKE 👏 THIS 👏 HAP 👏PEN👏
“We have a Vex hive mind as an ally”
“Yes yes, I know you do assistant, now go kill the annoying Darkness.”
I'd cry if that's true. Asher is my favorite.
A Mind? Be real, they'll make him a Fanatic 😆
First thing we hear upon re-entering the Vault of Glass: "Assistant!"
M.S. Moss I’ve said since VOG was announced that Asher would be relevant to it somehow, I hope Bungie follows through.
Me: well damn! old man, they aint got you yet? * loading machine gun *
Can’t wait to meet, “Asher Mir, The Infinitely Impossible Mind”
I-impossible! Impossible!
Pleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaase bungo
It would be amazing finally being able to kill asher, even if it's just as a vex mind lol
Asher Mir, Grumpy Mind, boss of the Strike “Curmudgeon’s Solitude.”
Why are you talking about me
I remember Asher wondering if I would grieve for him as I grieved for Cayde.
Yes Ashen Mir, I will grieve and miss you.
Even if we had so little time with him. He can be counted as a friend. I will miss him saying “impossible” or “irrelevant”
When we return to Io, I want Vex mind Asher to return as the planetary vendor
Your weird
c h r x s t i a n ...who me? Or the others?
lol normies
I don’t want Asher to go. Everyone needs a grumpy old man in their lives.
we all do
Granpa Asher please don’t leave us 🥺
JimiJenkins Rasputin probably is going to make a suitable replacement
Ditchlasagna _ hopefully he learns some damn English when goes all Exo
LukeFurno reverse Russian sometimes has it’s difficulties when learning English so he has like a month and a week to learn so expect some grammar mistakes
Asher’s outrage at the Pyramid’s continued attempts to outscience him is pretty funny. He even calls it an “unaccredited prismoid” in one of the Exodus quest descriptions.
When I first read that entry about him shooting the Pyramid as if he’s poking it with a stick and the Pyramid trolling him by erasing his shot, I was picturing him raging like Yosemite Sam.
He is the OG roaster. He just rage quit life and I will miss him.
Fernando Mota Fonseca May his Zavala roast be ever in our hearts and his sneeze always be blessed.
Not sure he rage quit life.
nothing tops The Speakers epic roast of Ghaul
@@connormac4401 Shaxx busting Felwinter's chops was pretty nice too
Connor Mac Asher calling Ikora a wretch. That is all.
Asher Mir's last words: "Oh, it is a pit and not a lake, how can my calculations be that off?!!! Damnit!!! Damnit!!! Damnit!!"
that's canon btw
Yas
more like: "Impossible!"
If you bring a lake down over a pit, doesn't it make the pit a lake? Sounds to me that Asher confirmed his hypothesis by force.
@@craigshort7462 Just a case of him not wording things right and people getting confused. He does that seeing as not everyone has the same understanding of the Vex and other things as him.
I don't understand why Asher isn't more popular. I laugh everytime I run the Pyramidian strike.
People just
Think he's annoying, I guess
I like him and his story a lot. His mistakes really haunt him and his ending is honestly fantastic.
Same, he's like the cranky uncle to me
The majority dont read the lore.
'IT IS NOT A METAPHOR'!
"Man of science though he was, the first thing Ashir Mir did was shoot the damned thing."
Ah, I see that Ashir was American.
Ah, a true patriot
F yeah, 'MURICA
@@jamespayne4459 "America F Yeah!" starts playing
This gave me a good laugh, thanks XD
If ashir was American, that makes the darkness a commie
"He briefly entertained the thought of leaving a letter, but there were others more deserving of his thoughts. And if he worked in descending priority, he might never make it to his assistant, which would defeat the purpose of the exercise completely." That's some good shit.
Bruh i read this as it came up lol
For anyone wondering its 3:22
Me: “greetings guardians mynamei-“
Byf: “Hello guardians...”
I've never felt so betrayed
@@piosociety3586 I thought I was the only one :(
Wait.......
That's illegal.
WHO ARE YOU AND WHERE'S THE REAL BYF
how can bungie take my least favorite character and make him so badass with just a few lines of lore
Personally, I kinda like him. He was a jerk, but I found his character complex and I like the theoretical experiments of his and such. But man, talk about taking one for the team! He pulled a mini Saint-14 on them and then became one of them to do his part in hopefully saving everyone? I think that’s pretty rad.
If Bungie does 1 thing right it is hands down the lore, 1 page and you’re already somehow invested
Bringer of Death There are more than a few bits of lore around to hint at his badassery before this happened too.
The power of good writing. Honestly, Asher was all set for something like this. He was a complicated character that they didn't have a lot of time for, unfortunately, but honestly, the fact he tried to understand something as abstract as the vex, his personal experiences with them turning him into an almost Ahab-level of obsessed, the contradiction this placed with them on their arm, What lore we got of him (please read his dreaming city lore tab, the one that features him and Ikora), How he changed so hard, at a fundamental level, when talking about/to his fireteam and Eris, all made for a complex and layered character you couldn't just look at the one-liners to see all their was and Its all incredible build-up to this one moment. What i hope *isn't* their final moment. This would be a satisfying ending to Asher's story, but the implications of Asher doing this, and coming out the other end would be amazing, even if it was as a future enemy.
hehehe88 - This is what people who ignore the lore don’t get. They see “annoying dialogue, don’t like” but miss these riveting story elements that truly make the character! For the questionable things that Bungie has done with their games, no one can ever say that they’re not storytelling artists! Their lore department is on another level and, personally, I think that is amazing!
Somewhere a Vex mind got this title that day: Mir, Cantankerous Mind.
I'm going to miss Asher. I really liked his character.
IRRELIVENT
Same :(
not me, he was kind of a dick
Same. Both interesting as our only real "contact" to the vex, and his dialogue was often quite humorous lol
@@manfromhamaslume yh but he was mostly subjective when so, which is ok.
The poetic circle of him ending up by the shores of that radilorian lake again brought a smile upon my face. I raised a toast for him.
Asher is probably my favorite npc, going to miss him. I do agree that Asher is probably gone, one way or another, whether he attempted to pull down the pyramid, or gave himself to the Vex. Would be interesting if the Vex let him survive, in order to study the Light of a willing guardian.
Brakion = Arm, Asher has a corrupted Vex arm.
Panoptes = The All Seeing, Brother Vance is blind.
Great video.
Oh great, that could mean that Asher is fucking Brakion... that's disturbing
@@alexisg.7312 if he is brakion that's really fucked up, imagine being targeted by a hit that was ordered by yourself in the past.
I feel like the phrase "brought the lake down" was a very particular choice of words, and I am just perplexed by it. If we look into the definitions of bring down, there are the more literal terms of moving things or calming people down. And of course, there's collapsing a structure. However, one that could possibly hold some credence here is to defeat or overcome something. He brought the lake down. He defeated the lake. He overcame the lake. Perhaps Asher discovered a way to affect the lake? Not in any way to destroy it, but to overcome it. Perhaps he found a way to make it work to his advantage. Embrace the vex that is already in him, but turn it around somehow. Maintain control. Overcome the lake by using it to his advantage. This is all still speculation, and honestly quite vague, but I think this could possibly be what they mean. I also, just like the idea of Asher finding a way to assimilate with the Vex in order to keep his mind, but boost it with the computational power of the collective. idk, spinfoil dreams, I guess.
Asher mir; nuclear mind
Imagine if there was an alternate universe where Asher Mir was the warlock vanguard. That would be epic.
Not saying I like the idea but what if in BL Zavala and Ikora bite it and we get a triumphant return of Sloan, Asher, and Ana as the new vanguard
One day when we get a new planet, we’re gonna have a vendor that’s just a hobgoblin hurling insults at us
Bungie MAKE. THIS HAPPEN
*Genesis mind 2: Gensym boogaloo.*
*Byf challenges two Taken Phalanx*
"So, you have chosen death."
Byf: runs into fallen phlanax
Me:👀
The first entry of Asher reminded me of Hickok45: "Asher here, today I've got something a little bit different for you; We are going to see what happens when i launch several projectiles towards that overly large Dorito."
I'm glad I started watching his vids so I can appreciate this comment
The vex have always been such a strange entity in the context of the darkness vs light. Though they're *obviously* our enemy, they don't entirely seem like they have to be. There's also the really bizarre case of the stuff they did to Nessus, and how it seems like while yes they converted it into a machine world, it's still HABITABLE for some reason; some scannables even point out that the weird red plants on the planet are being used by the Vex too. But animals live on Nessus and everything. Obviously part of this is thanks to the remnants of the Exodus Black, as a colony ship that had hundreds of years to sit and degrade, but it's really quite strange.
The problem probably just boils down to them being a hive mind. You can't reason with a hive mind like you can with organics. I mean, I doubt we could ever reason with the Hive themselves either, but it's probably not *entirely* out of the question.
Because ultimately, their goal of surpassing both the light and the dark seems quite in line with what might be the path we'll try to take, too. It's just that they by nature typically end up finding everything that isn't them as a threat to their goal. To have an equal probably goes against their design. Which is a bit of a shame, because I'd kind of like to see some "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" situations with us in general regarding the darkness, because it's really not good for either of us. The fallen are harnessing it, the hive basically embody it and can already Take Vex. (and the cabal are irrelevant /s) ...Plus there's that... weird connection Exos have with Vex, too... If they weren't a hive mind like they are, I do feel like there might be enough basis for them to call a temporary truce with humanity.
It'd be kinda cool to see, but I highly doubt that'll ever happen, short of a surge of deviancy that leads to an independent submind or something.
You can reason with a hive mind, but when you do then the hive mind might stop being so hive minded. It's already been shown that there are vex "splinters" that will break off from the greater in order to pursue what they believe to be the best course of action. And in the case of vex taking gaurdians, they show a very notable change of what you would consider to be normal Vex nature. I don't really see the Vex as the enemy myself, I see them more as an entity that really is ironically very single minded and simplistic in their comprehensions of our dimension. They will pursue their goal with seeming mindlessness, but upon providing them with enough proof of your own competency, they will relent, and reconsider what you are to them.
Actually even before this in the case failsafe and her crew, instead of annihilating them, they attempted to replicate the captain who according to Fail safe "loved machines". The Vex CAN be reasoned with, but to do so; first you must spark their curiosity, or prove to be a greater threat than they can contain.
On the topic of hive minds Crysis 3 covers it very good. About halfway through the campaign you the nanosuit operator Alcatraz "Prophet" after having had some nano-procedures that manipulated the suits internal mechanisms that allow you the wearer to bend this newly unlocked nano-power to your own will; they then connect to a hivemind node thingy and gain temporary power and control over the ceph nearby until a reaver??(the big guy with the alien plasma rocket launcher) crashes down and ruins that party. Prophet now disconnected from the hivemind node becomes supercharged, slays everything while in this supercharged state taking much reduced damage with no suit energy loss. After the area is clear and suit returns to normal he radios back and says words to the effect of "the hivemind is raw power of which i can manipuate"; which he does in the boss encounter by first disabling 3 central hivemind nodes(using this hivemind manipulating power) within the buried superstructure at the base of the worm-hole generator which also conveniently becomes the alpha-ceph boss arena.
Now imagine this in a D2 context but Asher Myir fully vexified(presumably with full control of himself) within the hivemind of the vex helping and/or actively hindering anything and everything and they may not be able to counter his efforts???
The Vex have a strange goal, but kind of understandable in the form of a hive mind hyper intelligent AI. They cannot understand the Light as they cannot replicate it. Just like they can't replicate the Dark. Meaning they will TRY to understand it, to try and replicate it infinitely, driving the hive mind into a rampant state over eons. So they worshipped the Heart of the Black Garden a source of Dark, in hopes it would give answer the Vex saught, which then failed them by the interactions of the light. The future the Vex want is one with no light, no dark, no life, no change. The vex would then understand everything, their would be no factors to consider or need to continue growing, replicating, learning, simulating. A future with only 1 possibility and no more infinite possibilities.
The Vex won't be dividing by zero any longer. The Vex are very likely a race that had better intentions in their origins and lost themselves with their power and madness caused by infinite futures and some they can not simulate and know. With Asher as a willing sacrifice though the Vex can in a sense pseudo simulate the light as they were abled to pseudo simulate the dark with the Black Garden's Heart. In turn possibly worshiping the light? Its not hard to believe with the monument/tomb they built for Saint-14 before even that event which was written in stone was altered with their very own power combined with the unpredictable nature of Light.
The vex seem to want to be a constant, if they cross the last city too much you will know the outcome.
I love that Asher is annoyed that the darkness has come to interupt his research
"With all that said, Asher Mir *was* a character-"
Me: big if true.
Maybe one day we’ll get to see Asher Mir: Gensym Mind
I prefer nuclear mind
Of all the Vendor’s Fates that I must know of
Brother Vance’s is one I’m the most curious of....already saw Mylein’s Video on it and now just waiting with anticipation for Byf too cover it
.....Some Hope for the Future.....
I really won't be sad about brother vance. I really hate him for some reason. Dude is like a mega simp for Osiris
Let's hope we're strong enough. How much can we achieve?
Yeah he's a really cool character and his last stand was really good. It was a great send off to the character, as I'm not sure if he's coming back like the others could as much as I like him because the voice actor is dead.
@@rashoheltonmoy4939 this entire season he's been nonstop going against osiris. He is judging his actions during season of dawn extremely harshly.
God wait.....WHAT!? His VA’s dead???
Darkness arrives
Asher, a man of science: "I disagree with your existence" *attempts to shoot it*
Been waiting for this video, loving the attention given to Asher’s personal experiences of Io, the Vex, and the Darkness this season. Taking matters into his own hands and doing whatever the hell it was he even did was a worthy send off, though I do hope he might find his way back to us.
The darkness making those missiles disappear could be a cool way to explain the vaulted content. Essentially making the planets disappear while not destroying them
Just remembered something. A while ago during one quest asher mentioned that he had uploaded a virus into the vex collective and that it was an experiment that shall unfold in time. Got me thinking if that will come into play at all if he is converted.
F to the only actual scientist in the npc repertory
Yes im looking at you Ana
Ana just made rasputin.. the only true AI ever existing
@@erdelf Amazing, every word of what you just said was wrong.
@@xanderstewart2965 you wanna explain what you mean ? Cause she did
erdelf uhh ... what’s Failsafe then?
@@lunar-1340 Failsafe is a regular AI. She has some degree of self-learning and can simulate a personality to a degree, but she can't have new ideas on her own. She can't develop thoughts herself. It took her hundreds of years to manage to interact with Vex systems in any degree, and interacting with computer systems is more or less her singular purpose.
Just as you said, "These are the final words of Ashir.." a wendys ad on x10 volume: "YOU KNOW HOW THESE THINGS START DELCIOSOUS SUCCULANT WARM BEEF."
Byf I really appreciate the time you put into these videos to help us understand what we're really doing in the destiny Universe. Thank you man.
I have a feeling that one of the 3 vendors that are supposedly dying will be brought back in some way later on. Probably not Sloane, but I have a good feeling that either Asher or Vance will be seen again. Maybe we'll find Asher in the Pyramidion on Europa? Maybe as a complete vex similar to the simulation of the captain in the harpy on Nessus. Very interesting.
My money is on Sloane....she’s gotta that sick af suit now so her chances are high
Personal Hope is that we see Brother Vance again
@Bringer of Death My only reason to suspect him is all of the stuff with the Lighthouse and the notes he can hear from it possibly being important later. I'd much rather see Asher come back tho, he's way more enjoyable than Vance
They kinda have to since the locations are being vaulted not destroyed. Which means they will come back
Bringer of Death doesn’t mean we won’t ever go back
Just imagine coming back later and it’s all terraformed by the Darkness and stuff
@Bringer of Death Yeah, I get that. Maybe he will just become someone who exists in lore, or, like he wanted, an associate of Osiris in the forest.
Everyone giving names to a possible Asher Mir vex axis mind, but I personally think that Asher Mir, Impossible Mind would be most fitting, not only as a nod and joke about Asher's use of the word impossible, but also due to the fact that he would be something impossible, a Vex mind that is fully independent or at the very least with a sentience that isn't Vex, and thus is willing to help us.
HE'S BACK
ngl, out of all the text lines in the game. Hearing this bro finally break down and say how his attitude was to distract him of his fear of what will happen to him was one of the only memorable lines I can remember from old d2. Props to the VA, he fucking nailed it.
Never thought I'd miss Asher or Sloane until I realized that I might never see them again
The Warlock looked down at the moon one more time, once more before he had to leave it for good. He knew what was coming and knew he had to leave it, but his mind went back to his crazed kin. He could not simply leave. But he must.
He could not abandon a fellow guardian, he had done that too many times, allowed to many to be harmed. The Awoken, The Red War…Cayde. He wouldn’t abandon one who had already given so much. But he must.
He had knocked on the doors of gods, challenged the Darkness in its own domain and won, wielded Arc to vaporize foe after foe in countless battles. He could save one man, he could not let him throw himself away. But he must.
He remembered the look in his fellow Awoken’s eyes when he spoke of his plans, clearly not realizing he had been there. His plan was madness, mad as he was, he would never succeed. But he must.
His ghost looked up at him, “We should go. Shaxx sent for us.” He knew he had to. He knew that each guardian had their part, and some part of him envied the mad warlock, being able to die in a place so holy. And so he went, back to his own fight, but he made a promise that one day.
He would return to Io. He would find that madman and bring him home.
He must.
Im gonna miss him, he was my favorite npc i really enjoyed the missions on io just because of him
Hey, turns out Asher Mir is actually the most awesome character in the franchise.
Why do I want a byf to make a podcast about reading the lore...
I’ll never forget the first time I heard Asher in game, he made me think of admiral Ackbar for some reason
Damnit Asher. Your faithful assistants are gonna miss you.
“You are now entering the path to the center of the lake where I was...afflicted.”
Ghost: “What lake?!”
*He reached with both and brought the lake down*
Ghost: “oh? That lake.”
Quite the interesting question you posed; Did Asher chose to stand with the Vex or did he commit a scorched earth move, with either resulting in his likely death?
when I saw that entry, my thought process was that Asher's revenge was not completed with the destruction of the Genesis Mind; he needed to destroy the very thing it was steward over.
but now that I heard things from another perspective; Asher may have committed both, in that he joined the Vex to fight the Darkness and denied it an asset.
if that is the case, it'll be interesting to see how we'll encounter Asher again after dealing with the Darkness (even if only briefly)
I’m curious that if they decide to go with this kind of path, is it possible that we’ll meet Asher again in the vault of glass? Will he maybe be the reason we are to go to VoG when it is rereleased? Will Asher call upon his assistant to help defeat atheon (or whoever replaces him)?
I hope we get some cutscenes of everyone's final stands! Would be pretty cool to see
I personally love the little touch of reality that sometimes gets sprinkled into the lore, like the fact that Asher drinks coffee. We may be god slayers but we still need our caffeine. It's the little details in this game that I love so much
Maybe he turned into a vex mind, maybe he might make an appearance near the end of this season and have some sort of command over the vex
I always thought Asher was just a meager scholar, detached from the world and unfit to fight (despite him being a Guardian). So it was somewhat of a surprise to see him fighting his way into the Pyramidion.
I’m rolling. He shot at it! 🤣🤣🤣
I haven’t read any of the lore for this season. I’ve gotta go do that, oh my god. 😂
This was one of my favorite lore pieces of all time. Great way to end it. Sad ending but the writers did an incredible job .
Also IO is just a great place. Visuals,music,etc
Asher honestly grew to be one of my favorite characters. At first I didn't like him, but I grew to like the character. Now I'm just low key crying.
So glad I looked up the harpy in the last city override being Asher Mir. Glad this comes together in the lore and the game several months later to pay off.
I admit I do not know as much of the lore as I should, but even with Asher Mir now in the last city at the end of the season of the splicer, a season focused heavily on the vex trying to sap the power of the city by casting it in an endless night, I have many questions. The vex never stopped attacking us, they never seemed to have learned independently from Quira commands that this wasn’t going to work. Doesn’t seem like any Mind took into consideration that their orders to destroy us was not the play. No infinitude of scenarios were played out, no doubt or second thought occured. Yet when Asher Mir went to the pyramidium and stood against the darkness the vex eventually recalculated and let him pass. Do the vex even understand they are being manipulated by the taken? Do they care? Do they understand any of their interactions with the various species they encounter?
Asher is a character I’ve grown very fond of over the years
His “death” bothers me the most out of all the characters
I'm gonna be honest, I already read the lore on Asher as he's one of my favourite characters in the game. But I always tune in to a good old Byf video. His narration and voice make this channel top tier.
I always knew he was going to go, but...I'll still miss him so much. He was one of my favorite characters.
I don't want him to go!
I hope one day we'll see him as mostly Vex object, him giving us insight to what they're planning for the future, giving us information, perhaps a gun, maybe even tech to see into different realities.
I just wished we saw these moments as cutscenes
Asher is becoming that guy from district 9
Out of everyone we lost, Asher is the one I mourn for.
This one hurts my little virtual feelings for some reason. Rest well Asher, I am going to really miss him
One day, years from now. We're going to be approached by a Harpee and it's gong to say "Assistant. Come. See Mind. Come. Need assistant."
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“Asher May have just committed the ultimate sacrifice for the Greater Good”
Byf plays Tau confirmed
In the future, when these locations get un-vaulted, I wonder if we're going to have to fight corrupted/enemy versions of the different vendors in order to retake the planets.
Honestly knowing Asher, he would get turned into a Vex mind, fragment his section into a separate Hive mind, and pull an Eris/Mara and use Vex Resources against the Vex/Darkness.
Wouldn't it be cool to have "Asher-The Impossible Mind" VS Quira Blade Transform?
The dude built a rail gun before his coffee could cool and ran some pretty advanced calculations before he blinked twice
That’s incredible
This is your brain on warlock-juice.
CuddlyTurtle meanwhile I’m just scarfing down crayons
Mad respect, Curb stomping Vex, bending lasers around him, and Bringing down lakes. As a titan, I am impressed. I toast my mug of blue Crayola to you Asher Mir.
Man i really wish all these were cutscenes, it would be so cool and really make us invest into the game emotionally and visually
Rest in peace Gensym scribe. May you finally find rest.
Asherion: The Grumpy Mind.
Two things I want to see. Khbyr as a special Vex boss we have to fight, and Ashed as a Vex Harpy who has retained his sense of self. Can you imagine how hilarious that would be?
I want Vex Asher in the Tower, roasting Zavala while I sort through my loot.
I think what I'll miss most about io is that one spot of the floor right after you enter the pyramidion that instakills you when you land on it
In a future event or dlc, we should roll up on a vex structure being attacked by some type of enemy, and, similarly to the harpy in the Exodus Black quest, we just hear "Assistant. Help. Defend. Vex" or something and we help the vex defend the structure, and in return we get an exotic armor that allows you to have a 3% chance to convince a vex to help you by aiming at them, but it only works the first time you aim at the enemy.
I don't mind losing vance, but asher is another story. He really grew on me with his more somber dialogue forsaken and beyond.
WE ARE BACK FROM OVERRIDE, BOIS!!!
"Yes I want everyone in the raid to equip Aeon Cult exotics."
LOL they are fixing it in season 13 everyone will really demand it in raids now.
@@tewrecks6410 lolol I can't believe they're actually fixing the Aeon Cult stuff. This comment aged like milk 😂😂😂
BYF! I beg of you to make a video about Savathuns Song, and all the various places its been laced into music throughout the year. I only realised yesterday how often it has popped upo, and the whole concept of it being a viral chant that is infectious, only to realise yesterday that I had been hearing it for a year without even noticing gave me chills.
Ashir's part of the Exodus quest was A++. Other than Forsaken, it was my next favorite piece in all of Destiny
The description of the Vex "twitching and stuttering" sounds like they were entranced. It reminded me of the Arecibo mission. Strange, considering Rasputin supposedly shut down before this moment. There aren't many other examples of Vex being overwritten by resonant frequencies that I can recall.
I don’t know the way I read it made me think Asher went on a goddamn crusade rather than a last stand.
Byf, do you think the virus Asher created in one of the adventures on Io, might have been Asher preparing for a day like this? Maybe he uploaded his consciousness to preserve his sense of self if he ever became a Vex.
shinobialchemist I always assumed he’d devised it to attack his arm ... Bungie didn’t intend to vault content when that mission came out after all.
@@lunar-1340 Though it is something they could expand upon... if anyone at Bungie remembers that particular adventure.
@@Techhunter_Talon Considering some doughnut at Bungie forgot how many fingers Spider has I’m not overly hopeful. Sloane and Asher have been done so dirty by Bungie; Sloane never had a chance to show is how cool she is and Asher ... well, they created this awesome character concept (his affliction) and then forgot about it after year 2.
If.. if we have to meet Asher as a fully transformed Vex I'm gonna be real fucking sad
So is it weird that I dreamt that I was actually a guardian using stasis powers and whenever I popped my super, the darkness would talk to me in my head?
I would not enjoy this nearly as much if I had not found your channel. Thank you professor.
And so he appears once more…
This lore card reminds me of "O Captain", the Adventure arc on Nessus. The captain who became part of the Vex and yet wasn't hostile.
I feel like this is not the end of Asher but instead, his evolution.
Asher is one of the most well versed minds on vex science second to Osiris (IMO)if he becomes a vex we have TO AT LEAST GET A STRIKE TO FIGHT HIM!
Thought I'd pop back here because some of the lore tabs in the Season of the Splicer mention Asher.
lakshmi-2 used a Vex-derived machine to look a possible futures and I think at least one mentions a Vex Portal and Asher talking. Its entirely possible we are going to do much the same we did with Saint and Drag him back to reality. That or put a bullet in his new Fully converted Vex body.
(Or this his how we get "Friendly Vex" along with the Captain of the Exodus black)
"Assistant."
Very interesting how a warlock adopts the firebreak titan logic.
I always love seeing a new upload, it’s so interesting to have you explain lore
I know so many ppl who dislike asher, but I always enjoyed his little quips he will be missed.
My first time reading the line about the snail, I didn't think anything of it. It was only hearing you reading it that I realised that the Darkness had done it.
He turned himself into a Vex he said his name is Vex Asher funniest shit I've ever seen.
It's my belief that Asher is trying to fully convert himself into a Vex and my hope that some time in the future, (D3 maybe) we encounter elements of a new Vex faction, like the Hezen Protective, Sol Progeny etc, and at the end of a strike/story we find the Paracausal Mind leading them before awakening Asher's consciousness in his new chrome chassis.
How cool would it be if these lore tabs were all shorts. It would make us guardians appreciate the vendors a lot more, we see their emotions and just them in action.