Edit: Good old davinci resolve did me dirty at 4:53 and didn't show the poster image I prepared apologies, just use your imagination, visualising a cool Blade Runner 2049 poster hung up in my office :D
Not only Dune, but Transformers 2, Hunger Games 2, Mission Impossible 4, and No Time To Die (four epic cinematic films) all are missing IMAX ratio on 4K, and it's criminal, especially because two of those four movies have IMAX ratio on standard Bluray
Saying, “it’s a disappointment to not get the true IMAX format” is an understatement. If this keeps happening, and once physical media is phased out, then we will never be able to see IMAX format again, unless the theaters decide to bring the films back for a limited time. This future is depressing
I think it's a good thing. It encourages people to go to the theater just like the differing aspect ratios back in the day. Before, movies would be in widescreen in theaters and then 4:3 at home. Now that you can watch the movie in it's best state at home and watch it day and date with the theater release. People have no reason to go to the theater. I also saw a video that showcased how imax expands your peripheral vision, immersing you in the movie, but you're not actually seeing more because all the important stuff is always framed for widescreen. It made me feel less bad about the home releases of imax movies.
@@JBoxy7 Not too fun for those that don't have any IMAX cinemas near them unfortunately. I think there are other ways we can push audiences to go to the movies. Remember, Physical Media is an after-release sales run. I don't see it competing with movie ticket sales that much regardless. (I.e I feel there aren't many consumers out there that will wait for a BluRay release, which is quite a bit long after digital too, instead of going to the theatre)
@@kirkmihelakos I dont think physical media competes but streaming and digital releases compete with theaters. I was just talking about the general home release since it will lack the imax aspect ratio regardless of being physical or digital. I would also love to see the full potential of the home release but I try not to lose sleep over it. To say your not getting the full experience without the aspect ratio at home is ridiculous because dune isnt great because of the aspect ratio. You would still not be getting the best possible experience anyway since it's still not even the real imax aspect ratio. Theres a video about how imax affects the negative space and I recommend you watch it because it really deflates this issue. It's called "when the director 'crops' the film" by "from the frame"
@@JBoxy7 Yeah I have seen that video, I understand. In the end, it comes down to personal preference. I really quite enjoy watching films that shift aspect ratio at home, I guess it just hits something in my brain more than others ha!
I live far away from an IMAX screen. I planed a weekend trip on the release of Dune 2 just to see the movie in IMAX. but then back to my little town I was only able to watch it again on a normal screen. I would really really love to have a home physical IMAX version so I can see it again and again.
Aspect ratios are so strange. In the age of a square tv, you'd crop the image so that it filled more of the screen. And yet here, the image is being cropped to fill less of the screen. I know it can never be imax, but wouldn't the bigger picture still be more immersive?
So strange!!! Well i suppose it depends on your screen shape!! if it is short and wide then an IMAX aspect ratio would have vertical black bars at the sides right? - but at least you would get the entire image, albeit smaller than if it were 'cropped and zoomed in' to fit your widescreen display.
Yeah it's a hard one to grasp around, but it comes down as well to the camera actually used. Those old square TV's back in the day, were designed to showcase content that was filmed on cameras that don't really match the field of view that modern cinema cameras do today. Without getting to technical with it. Essentially, we've gone widescreen, and now camera sensors film beyond the aspect ratio presented in wide-screen. In Dune's case, we've got 1.43:1 footage, (extra space above and below a typical 16 by 9 screen). But, with Dune PT.II on disk, we don't even get that, nor a 16 by 9 image, but rather a further cropped cinemascope letterboxed aspect ratio
Yes that's correct Kathryn, that's why a good in-between at home is to have the image fill up just a 16by9 aspect ratio, so you get to use the full pixel breadth of your screen at home. (Like Nolan's movies). There have been some examples, like Zak Snyders Batman v Superman ultimate edition, where the 1.43:1 sequences are presented in their entirely, albeit with black bars on each vertical side. So yes, you're right, 16by9 IMAX Dune Part Two, means you wouldn't get technically the "full" IMAX picture, but far more than 16by9, and my personal favourite way of viewing IMAX content at home to take full advantage of the TV aspect ratio.
I really agree. I was gonna come here to comment about the interview with Denis, good job I watched all the way through your video to see you had included it! It sounds like he was surprised that the expanded ratio hadn't been released, buy yeah maybe that Was a dodge. Hmm. Either way, after watching a few of the videos around that show side by side comparisons of various scenes in Dune on 2.39:1 verses 1.43:1, I am kinda blown away at the difference (and i live in New Zealand but not anywhere close to an IMAX, not even on the same island, so I would love to be able to see it as it was edited for IMAX screenings. And i agree with your rationale about owning physical copies in general, I am still like that about my music. Why should you have to connect to the internet or subscribe to a service to watch the film you have already purchased over and over again. I feel similarly about CDs, I remember being at a live show recently and buying a CD and someone said to me "you still play CDs?" like it was a relic already. Some people might argue that it is worse for the environment to produce and sell physical copies but think of all the power consumption to stream stuff over the internet all the time, servers running, using more power than otherwise. How does that compare to a single physical copy's effects on the environment, especially if you are watching / listening to something over and over again on physical release and Not using all that internet streaming power and resources. I don't know if that is calculatable but it is definitely an interesting thing to consider. So thank you for making this film. Yeah some people have suggested that a future IMAX aspect ratio box set release once all three Dunes have been out at theatres could be a possibility. Let's hope so!
Yeah look, ultimately it could be the filmmakers, it could be IMAX... who knows. I have my hunches, but all I and many want like yourself, is to experience this at home in a great way. You're very right, long live Physical Media, I foresee a very bleak future if it continues to get phased out.
The theater going experience, while being of the utmost importance for filmmakers like Denis, is slowly becoming replicable at home through VR. I've seen Dune Part 1, Part 2, and Sicario this way, and it's honestly mind-blowing. I think they should be made aware of this technology, because it can preserve the original aspect ratio and impression of a large screen while remaining convenient. Some apps even have an IMAX 1.43:1 theater, like Skybox VR. I think once FOV and pixel density are closer to real life, it'll be seen as a more viable at-home stand in (even if it excludes the communal aspect of watching films in a theater).
The nearest and only IMAX theatre in my country is a 30 minute drive and even though the aspect ratio is 1.90:1 (which makes it LIEMAX), I loved watching movies like Oppenheimer and Dune Part 2 in them. I also relate to buying Blu Rays, specifically Christopher Nolan's (Proud owner of TDK and TENET) cuz they're the only ones with the IMAX ratio other than a few Marvel and DC movies I think. But I was very heartbroken when Dune Part 1 and 2 did not have an IMAX ratio in their Blu-Ray versions. I remember being so immersed when I was in an IMAX theatres, and if physical media needs to be revived, they definitely need to introduce the IMAX aspect ratio.
We wouldn't get the same effect as we do on large theatre screens as we do on much smaller home screens with the IMAX aspect ratios. I don't think it's a great idea to present the IMAX format for home media where it may appear inferior.
One thing that would help is to change the way we are talking about this issue. We aren't asking for IMAX at home. We get that you can't get the IMAX experience at home. But 16x9 is not IMAX. That's just an aspect ratio that fills your TV. Instead, we should be highlighting that his movies are being released on the incorrect aspect ratio. It is simply putting bars over the image for no reason. Take Dune Part Two and BR2049 for example: there would be no downside. There is no shifting aspect ratios, because both of those movies were shot ENTIRELY in 16x9. The real frames of BR2049 that was shot and worked so hard on by hundreds of people would just be gone forever if someone didn't find a way to make a bootleg copy of it, thank god. But with Dune 2, unfortunately, the full frames of that film might just be gone forever. Denis Villeneuve just tossed them in the garbage and set them on fire after pouring millions of dollars, blood, sweat, and tears into those images. I think Villeneuve just doesn't care. When a reporter asked him about this, he said he thought that Dune Part One was on "IMAX" on home release. He doesn't even care to supervise what's happening to his films when they go out for home release.
A few years back, when Avengers Endgame was getting ready for it's home video released the Russo brothers were asked this same question. Their responses was, the studio has to license the IMAX version from IMAX as they own the distribution rights for that version. I think that might be the same thing Denis Villeneuve is trying to convey. Plus it's likely that Legendary Pictures will at some point in the future release an IMAX version of Dune 1 & 2 either on the WB streaming service Max, like Disney did with Marvel on D-Plus or, there will be a 4K Blu-Ray IMAX version released in the future.
I generally refuse to stream anything. My philosophy is that life is too short to watch bad movies - of which there are an overwhelming number being streamed. So when I see something in a cinema (or hear about a classic) that's really good, I buy it on blu-ray (and, where possible, on 4K) and watch it using my existing rig. (I'm also not shy of buying old DVDs second-hand when that's the only format I can get for classic or "world" films.) I don't own a proper projector yet, but once I do, I'll have no problem shelling out more $ (over and above what I've paid for blu-ray or 4K) for whatever classic IMAX-ratio films will be available. I suspect it will take a critical mass of IMAX-ratio releases for me to take that last step of upgrading to a projector and accompanying high-quality sound system that will at least approximate the IMAX experience at home. There's always a bit of a chicken-and-egg dynamic in this, of course. Projectors have to be reasonably affordable to become widespread but they also need to have enough available content that's most suited to what they can do that the current generations of TV technology can't. Screening full IMAX over a full screen as tall as the room you're in is only one form of such content.
That's a good mantra to live by! I think im on Disney+ for some of the shows, but considering dropping out. Our movie-lovers dream to have our own home theatres your right!
I didn't look deeply into the situation with Dune and IMAX, but I've been made aware of the fact that at least a part of Dune Part 1's IMAX sequences were made from cropping the widescreen instead of the IMAX being cropped to make the wide. I heard that Part 1's widescreen release was made to be equivalent to the IMAX version instead of being another instance of "Pan and Scan". So it's not an entirely sad situation.
If buying something isn’t owning something, then piracy isn’t theft. Stop using paid streaming services to stream your shows and movies and find a service that is free (I promise you that they’re out there, I could list 5 right here if it weren’t for the risk if this comment being reported or deleted)
I don't understand why they don't do it. It's not like they're competing with IMAX theaters, it's not going to be in theaters forever. You're literally missing 40% of the movie/the films intended framing. The visual impact of Paul looking like an ant in a huge sand dune calling for a worm is completely lost in 2.4:1 format. It's so frustrating. It makes any re-watchability unsatisfying, because the director's intention is lost. They could easily release a 1.9:1 version if they really wanna keep the full IMAX ratio exclusive to theaters. I find it hard to believe that Villeneuve is behind the gatekeeping. When it comes to BR 2049, Roger Deakins has commented that the 2.39:1 aspect ratio WAS the intended format and IS his preferred viewing format. The IMAX version is just "extra". That doesn't seem to be the case for Dune part two. Every shot looks "cropped" on the streaming version. It doesn't feel like that for 2049. It seems to me that, for Dune, the IMAX ratio was the *intended* framing, and the home version is a "capped" version. I can understand the streaming version being "capped" because it came out when it was still playing in theaters, BUT, there is no reason for the blu-ray to be like that too. I would pay extra to be able to experience Dune in its intended ratio at home.
I think that you (along with all vocal proponents of "IMAX" editions of physical media) are missing an important point about IMAX "format". IMAX format is not just an aspect ratio, it's a projection standard. IMAX theaters have screens that are just way bigger than your standard cinema screen, which gives you this immersive experience. The FoV is that much bigger, the sound that much more rich. At the end of the day, you don't want "IMAX" blurays: you're arguing for variety of crop factors on a physical media release and it's ridiculous. Do I want distracting letterboxed, smaller footage just to have a tiny bit of landscape that the editors judged non-essential as they shot it ? (cf Joe Walker's interview pertaining to cropping for IMAX vs physical media)? Well, the editors and filmmaker have already answered this question for us. Tl;dr: You're confusing "IMAX" and crop factor.
I very well understand the differences. As I described in the video. We’re not getting 1.43:1 we’re getting expanded 16:9, accomodating our TV screens. I label it, like other vocals, as that’s the best way to short-hand describe the altering format at home
You're not getting the point at all. At the end of the day, whether they planned for it or not, the intended framing works best for its 1.43:1 and 1.9:1 ratios. That's the framing Denis was looking at on set. Some shots only work in that aspect ratio as-well, like the shot of Paul looking tiny, like an ant, on a sand dune calling for a worm. The 2.4:1 streaming version completely kills the intention of that shot. They could easily release a 1.9:1 version if they wanted to really keep the full IMAX ratio for theaters only. That way we would get 90% of the movie instead of getting like 50-60% of the movie, depending on which shot you're looking at. The other argument is, 2.35:1 & 2.4:1 just don't generally look good on 16:9 tv screens and monitors. When you actually have uncropped footage, in its INTENDED framing (unlike BR 2049 where Deakins has commented that the cinemascope version was it's intended framing), why not release it? I would gladly pay extra for it. Even if Joe Walker & Greig Fraser planned and worked around it, it doesn't mean it was the intended ratio. You'll never convince me that Denis Villeneuve wants every one who watches Dune at home to watch it cropped at 2.4:1. It not only looses the impact of most of it's compositions (unlike 2049) but it just looks straight up bad on TV screens. Even though Austin Butler was bald he was somehow still getting a haircut on every close up. It's just stupid. Nolan films don't seem to have this problem.
Edit: Good old davinci resolve did me dirty at 4:53 and didn't show the poster image I prepared apologies, just use your imagination, visualising a cool Blade Runner 2049 poster hung up in my office :D
Not only Dune, but Transformers 2, Hunger Games 2, Mission Impossible 4, and No Time To Die (four epic cinematic films) all are missing IMAX ratio on 4K, and it's criminal, especially because two of those four movies have IMAX ratio on standard Bluray
100%. It is so frustrating we don't have part 1 as well.
Absolutely
Saying, “it’s a disappointment to not get the true IMAX format” is an understatement. If this keeps happening, and once physical media is phased out, then we will never be able to see IMAX format again, unless the theaters decide to bring the films back for a limited time. This future is depressing
Agreed, I guess I'm trying to soften the blow. Makes me extremely less excited for the physical release
I think it's a good thing. It encourages people to go to the theater just like the differing aspect ratios back in the day. Before, movies would be in widescreen in theaters and then 4:3 at home. Now that you can watch the movie in it's best state at home and watch it day and date with the theater release. People have no reason to go to the theater.
I also saw a video that showcased how imax expands your peripheral vision, immersing you in the movie, but you're not actually seeing more because all the important stuff is always framed for widescreen. It made me feel less bad about the home releases of imax movies.
@@JBoxy7 Not too fun for those that don't have any IMAX cinemas near them unfortunately. I think there are other ways we can push audiences to go to the movies.
Remember, Physical Media is an after-release sales run. I don't see it competing with movie ticket sales that much regardless. (I.e I feel there aren't many consumers out there that will wait for a BluRay release, which is quite a bit long after digital too, instead of going to the theatre)
@@kirkmihelakos I dont think physical media competes but streaming and digital releases compete with theaters. I was just talking about the general home release since it will lack the imax aspect ratio regardless of being physical or digital. I would also love to see the full potential of the home release but I try not to lose sleep over it. To say your not getting the full experience without the aspect ratio at home is ridiculous because dune isnt great because of the aspect ratio. You would still not be getting the best possible experience anyway since it's still not even the real imax aspect ratio. Theres a video about how imax affects the negative space and I recommend you watch it because it really deflates this issue. It's called "when the director 'crops' the film" by "from the frame"
@@JBoxy7 Yeah I have seen that video, I understand. In the end, it comes down to personal preference. I really quite enjoy watching films that shift aspect ratio at home, I guess it just hits something in my brain more than others ha!
They will release part one and two in IMAX format, just not yet.
We'll see, I'm hopeful, nothing has been confirmed yet
I bet they'll do it after Dune Messiah and the trilogy disk set
I live far away from an IMAX screen. I planed a weekend trip on the release of Dune 2 just to see the movie in IMAX. but then back to my little town I was only able to watch it again on a normal screen. I would really really love to have a home physical IMAX version so I can see it again and again.
100%!
Aspect ratios are so strange. In the age of a square tv, you'd crop the image so that it filled more of the screen. And yet here, the image is being cropped to fill less of the screen. I know it can never be imax, but wouldn't the bigger picture still be more immersive?
So strange!!! Well i suppose it depends on your screen shape!! if it is short and wide then an IMAX aspect ratio would have vertical black bars at the sides right? - but at least you would get the entire image, albeit smaller than if it were 'cropped and zoomed in' to fit your widescreen display.
Yeah it's a hard one to grasp around, but it comes down as well to the camera actually used. Those old square TV's back in the day, were designed to showcase content that was filmed on cameras that don't really match the field of view that modern cinema cameras do today.
Without getting to technical with it. Essentially, we've gone widescreen, and now camera sensors film beyond the aspect ratio presented in wide-screen.
In Dune's case, we've got 1.43:1 footage, (extra space above and below a typical 16 by 9 screen). But, with Dune PT.II on disk, we don't even get that, nor a 16 by 9 image, but rather a further cropped cinemascope letterboxed aspect ratio
Yes that's correct Kathryn, that's why a good in-between at home is to have the image fill up just a 16by9 aspect ratio, so you get to use the full pixel breadth of your screen at home. (Like Nolan's movies).
There have been some examples, like Zak Snyders Batman v Superman ultimate edition, where the 1.43:1 sequences are presented in their entirely, albeit with black bars on each vertical side.
So yes, you're right, 16by9 IMAX Dune Part Two, means you wouldn't get technically the "full" IMAX picture, but far more than 16by9, and my personal favourite way of viewing IMAX content at home to take full advantage of the TV aspect ratio.
I have the Open Matte (IMAX) blu ray version of Blade Runner 2049 and its the most beautiful movie ever. It was really easy to get to!
How
I really agree. I was gonna come here to comment about the interview with Denis, good job I watched all the way through your video to see you had included it! It sounds like he was surprised that the expanded ratio hadn't been released, buy yeah maybe that Was a dodge. Hmm. Either way, after watching a few of the videos around that show side by side comparisons of various scenes in Dune on 2.39:1 verses 1.43:1, I am kinda blown away at the difference (and i live in New Zealand but not anywhere close to an IMAX, not even on the same island, so I would love to be able to see it as it was edited for IMAX screenings.
And i agree with your rationale about owning physical copies in general, I am still like that about my music. Why should you have to connect to the internet or subscribe to a service to watch the film you have already purchased over and over again.
I feel similarly about CDs, I remember being at a live show recently and buying a CD and someone said to me "you still play CDs?" like it was a relic already.
Some people might argue that it is worse for the environment to produce and sell physical copies but think of all the power consumption to stream stuff over the internet all the time, servers running, using more power than otherwise. How does that compare to a single physical copy's effects on the environment, especially if you are watching / listening to something over and over again on physical release and Not using all that internet streaming power and resources. I don't know if that is calculatable but it is definitely an interesting thing to consider.
So thank you for making this film.
Yeah some people have suggested that a future IMAX aspect ratio box set release once all three Dunes have been out at theatres could be a possibility. Let's hope so!
Yeah look, ultimately it could be the filmmakers, it could be IMAX... who knows. I have my hunches, but all I and many want like yourself, is to experience this at home in a great way.
You're very right, long live Physical Media, I foresee a very bleak future if it continues to get phased out.
The theater going experience, while being of the utmost importance for filmmakers like Denis, is slowly becoming replicable at home through VR. I've seen Dune Part 1, Part 2, and Sicario this way, and it's honestly mind-blowing. I think they should be made aware of this technology, because it can preserve the original aspect ratio and impression of a large screen while remaining convenient. Some apps even have an IMAX 1.43:1 theater, like Skybox VR. I think once FOV and pixel density are closer to real life, it'll be seen as a more viable at-home stand in (even if it excludes the communal aspect of watching films in a theater).
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The nearest and only IMAX theatre in my country is a 30 minute drive and even though the aspect ratio is 1.90:1 (which makes it LIEMAX), I loved watching movies like Oppenheimer and Dune Part 2 in them. I also relate to buying Blu Rays, specifically Christopher Nolan's (Proud owner of TDK and TENET) cuz they're the only ones with the IMAX ratio other than a few Marvel and DC movies I think. But I was very heartbroken when Dune Part 1 and 2 did not have an IMAX ratio in their Blu-Ray versions. I remember being so immersed when I was in an IMAX theatres, and if physical media needs to be revived, they definitely need to introduce the IMAX aspect ratio.
We wouldn't get the same effect as we do on large theatre screens as we do on much smaller home screens with the IMAX aspect ratios. I don't think it's a great idea to present the IMAX format for home media where it may appear inferior.
One thing that would help is to change the way we are talking about this issue. We aren't asking for IMAX at home. We get that you can't get the IMAX experience at home. But 16x9 is not IMAX. That's just an aspect ratio that fills your TV. Instead, we should be highlighting that his movies are being released on the incorrect aspect ratio. It is simply putting bars over the image for no reason. Take Dune Part Two and BR2049 for example: there would be no downside. There is no shifting aspect ratios, because both of those movies were shot ENTIRELY in 16x9. The real frames of BR2049 that was shot and worked so hard on by hundreds of people would just be gone forever if someone didn't find a way to make a bootleg copy of it, thank god. But with Dune 2, unfortunately, the full frames of that film might just be gone forever. Denis Villeneuve just tossed them in the garbage and set them on fire after pouring millions of dollars, blood, sweat, and tears into those images. I think Villeneuve just doesn't care. When a reporter asked him about this, he said he thought that Dune Part One was on "IMAX" on home release. He doesn't even care to supervise what's happening to his films when they go out for home release.
A few years back, when Avengers Endgame was getting ready for it's home video released the Russo brothers were asked this same question. Their responses was, the studio has to license the IMAX version from IMAX as they own the distribution rights for that version. I think that might be the same thing Denis Villeneuve is trying to convey. Plus it's likely that Legendary Pictures will at some point in the future release an IMAX version of Dune 1 & 2 either on the WB streaming service Max, like Disney did with Marvel on D-Plus or, there will be a 4K Blu-Ray IMAX version released in the future.
Really fascinating stuff, wouldn't be a surprise if that's how it all were in the end
This has been bothering me every other day when I pop In the Blu-Ray disc. Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention mate.
Yep, it's so frustrating. Hope I can bring a drop of something to the discussion
Every few days I tweet at the Dune account and call them cowards for not releasing the movie in imax format
Lisan-Al-gaib
We have found the Kwisatz Haderach
I'm pretty sure this was a decision by WB and not Denis. They likely are saving the IMAX version for an even more expensive product later
Potentially. Whoever it is, just bring it home
“Blu-ray is dying” This is what the execs need to be reminded. IMAX format would certainly give me reasons to buy Denis, Nolan, etc films on BluRay.
Good to hear!
I generally refuse to stream anything. My philosophy is that life is too short to watch bad movies - of which there are an overwhelming number being streamed.
So when I see something in a cinema (or hear about a classic) that's really good, I buy it on blu-ray (and, where possible, on 4K) and watch it using my existing rig. (I'm also not shy of buying old DVDs second-hand when that's the only format I can get for classic or "world" films.)
I don't own a proper projector yet, but once I do, I'll have no problem shelling out more $ (over and above what I've paid for blu-ray or 4K) for whatever classic IMAX-ratio films will be available.
I suspect it will take a critical mass of IMAX-ratio releases for me to take that last step of upgrading to a projector and accompanying high-quality sound system that will at least approximate the IMAX experience at home.
There's always a bit of a chicken-and-egg dynamic in this, of course. Projectors have to be reasonably affordable to become widespread but they also need to have enough available content that's most suited to what they can do that the current generations of TV technology can't. Screening full IMAX over a full screen as tall as the room you're in is only one form of such content.
That's a good mantra to live by! I think im on Disney+ for some of the shows, but considering dropping out.
Our movie-lovers dream to have our own home theatres your right!
It's a vicious cycle. Fewer people buy home video, so studios put less effort into them, which means people buy less...etc etc
Unfortunately, you're quite right
I didn't look deeply into the situation with Dune and IMAX, but I've been made aware of the fact that at least a part of Dune Part 1's IMAX sequences were made from cropping the widescreen instead of the IMAX being cropped to make the wide. I heard that Part 1's widescreen release was made to be equivalent to the IMAX version instead of being another instance of "Pan and Scan". So it's not an entirely sad situation.
I think they are going to make us double dip on this one.
Time will tell
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Really good point
No IMAX sequences?! That's effed up. Yes, it's probably not optimal on a 55" TV but in 2024 there are 98" Mini-LED TVs for "only" like 4000 Euros.
resolution probably lacking at that size there
the best I got is my 70mm verison. I record on my iPhone
yeah look not ideal
Great vid, so sad that Australia isn't getting disney releases hope you are able to import
Yeah it’s a real shame. Some overseas discs aren’t compatible but we try
It’s because they release shit movies and slap IMAX on it then say “see no one watches IMAX…Get rid of it!” smh
IMAX definitely have some work to do when it comes to how they market their brand for each film for sure
I don't understand why they don't do it. It's not like they're competing with IMAX theaters, it's not going to be in theaters forever. You're literally missing 40% of the movie/the films intended framing. The visual impact of Paul looking like an ant in a huge sand dune calling for a worm is completely lost in 2.4:1 format. It's so frustrating. It makes any re-watchability unsatisfying, because the director's intention is lost. They could easily release a 1.9:1 version if they really wanna keep the full IMAX ratio exclusive to theaters. I find it hard to believe that Villeneuve is behind the gatekeeping.
When it comes to BR 2049, Roger Deakins has commented that the 2.39:1 aspect ratio WAS the intended format and IS his preferred viewing format. The IMAX version is just "extra". That doesn't seem to be the case for Dune part two. Every shot looks "cropped" on the streaming version. It doesn't feel like that for 2049. It seems to me that, for Dune, the IMAX ratio was the *intended* framing, and the home version is a "capped" version.
I can understand the streaming version being "capped" because it came out when it was still playing in theaters, BUT, there is no reason for the blu-ray to be like that too.
I would pay extra to be able to experience Dune in its intended ratio at home.
I think that you (along with all vocal proponents of "IMAX" editions of physical media) are missing an important point about IMAX "format".
IMAX format is not just an aspect ratio, it's a projection standard. IMAX theaters have screens that are just way bigger than your standard cinema screen, which gives you this immersive experience. The FoV is that much bigger, the sound that much more rich.
At the end of the day, you don't want "IMAX" blurays: you're arguing for variety of crop factors on a physical media release and it's ridiculous.
Do I want distracting letterboxed, smaller footage just to have a tiny bit of landscape that the editors judged non-essential as they shot it ? (cf Joe Walker's interview pertaining to cropping for IMAX vs physical media)? Well, the editors and filmmaker have already answered this question for us.
Tl;dr: You're confusing "IMAX" and crop factor.
I very well understand the differences. As I described in the video. We’re not getting 1.43:1 we’re getting expanded 16:9, accomodating our TV screens. I label it, like other vocals, as that’s the best way to short-hand describe the altering format at home
You're not getting the point at all. At the end of the day, whether they planned for it or not, the intended framing works best for its 1.43:1 and 1.9:1 ratios. That's the framing Denis was looking at on set. Some shots only work in that aspect ratio as-well, like the shot of Paul looking tiny, like an ant, on a sand dune calling for a worm. The 2.4:1 streaming version completely kills the intention of that shot. They could easily release a 1.9:1 version if they wanted to really keep the full IMAX ratio for theaters only. That way we would get 90% of the movie instead of getting like 50-60% of the movie, depending on which shot you're looking at.
The other argument is, 2.35:1 & 2.4:1 just don't generally look good on 16:9 tv screens and monitors. When you actually have uncropped footage, in its INTENDED framing (unlike BR 2049 where Deakins has commented that the cinemascope version was it's intended framing), why not release it? I would gladly pay extra for it.
Even if Joe Walker & Greig Fraser planned and worked around it, it doesn't mean it was the intended ratio. You'll never convince me that Denis Villeneuve wants every one who watches Dune at home to watch it cropped at 2.4:1. It not only looses the impact of most of it's compositions (unlike 2049) but it just looks straight up bad on TV screens.
Even though Austin Butler was bald he was somehow still getting a haircut on every close up. It's just stupid. Nolan films don't seem to have this problem.
What a waste of time this video, he put the words : denis , dune in the title just to get views.....
You’re right. I should of made a video about Dune and put Christopher Nolan in the title