I'm still curious if they'll give any attention/mechanics to Portugal to represent them being the pioneers into the age of discovery/exploration and massive trading routes etc. European oceanic exploration started with the maritime expeditions of Portugal to the Canary Islands in 1336, just 1 year before game start, and later with the Portuguese discoveries of the Atlantic archipelagos of Madeira and Azores. You think its possible or they'll focus more on the big dogs?
btw its funny you said orhan osmanoglu, because osman was son of orhan. the reason ottomans were called ottoman was probably because of the word Ataman which was given to turkic leaders on the front. It's actually called Devlet-i Aliyye Osmaniye in turkish which would literally mean "Great State of Osman" or just Devleti Aliyye. also they weren't really religious zealots since they were known to consume kımız which is soured horse milk and the alcohol of the steppes, it was just turkish way, turkish history is all about fighting and conquering from empires as big as china to other turkic tribes lol in fact turks might be responsible for the death of most turks
Hi im from indonesia, am glad you know Majapahit custom of family fight together. in truth it is a practice custom in martial art after Islam but fundamentalist hated it and western powers at the time wanted to curb it so it's mostly curb in records but the vocal or folklore history still record that indeed local Muslim woman took arms during the war of independent before the revolution for independence in 1945
Europa Universalis is really just the golden child of Paradox. So much focus, care and content goes into it to have complex features and detailed historical situations. The other games kinds feel sidelined. Vic3, ck3 and even hoi4 to an extent, when you look at the amount of free content and dlcs put in them compared to eu4 or even stellaris.
I have a theory, which sounds silly, but that it's much easier to make content for Vic3 and CK3 and that actually makes it harder to come up with good ideas.
@@RabidSquirrelX The game is not going to have the amount of content of eu4, is impossible to compete with 10 years of dev. The game needs a really good base with some flavor, but most flavor is just comming with DLCs, CK3 lacked flavor at realease but was a good base game, and DLCs are lacking interesting flavor, vic3 lacked flavor and a good base game. EU5 having a really good base game and some flavor is going to be good enough for a release
Probably lesser known, but the 1300s were one of the most pivotal moments in Korean history. Yi Seonggye's revolt and the establishment of the Joseon dynasty officially ended Korean expansionism, and the persecution of Buddhist and traditional religions in favor of Confucianism completely changed Korean society and culture as a whole. Plus, since Yi abandoned Korea's original plan to invade the Ming and went for a more friendly approach, sino-Korean relations were extremely great for the next few centuries. This later contributed to the Ming's involvement during the Japanese invasions of Korea in 1592. Korea would look a LOT different today if things happened differently during this period
I'm still curious if they'll give any attention/mechanics to Portugal to represent them being the pioneers into the age of discovery/exploration and massive trading routes etc. European oceanic exploration started with the maritime expeditions of Portugal to the Canary Islands in 1336, just 1 year before game start, and later with the Portuguese discoveries of the Atlantic archipelagos of Madeira and Azores.
I'd say Poland would be interesting, since the Commonwealth existed only due to the Piast dynasty not having a legitimate male heir. The conflicts with the Teutonic Order are also a relatively interesting topic. 🤔
Playing as Poland would be very intresing given the fact that it was unified recently and the rule of Casimir the Great had started in 1333, togather with the complicated diplomatic relations with the neighbours, his fertilty problems you have mentioned, and the fact that Poland was affected by the plague relatively less than the rest of Europe.
@@Hildur- not being overly effected by the plague is also likely why the Commonwealth became a feared power due to the size and scope of its population and economic capacity. If the Polish and Lithuanian nobles didn't like to stab each other quite as much as they did they would have been a true threat instead of just a paper threat
The word "hundred" used to refer to what we would call 120 because England worked in dozens, not decimals. If people wanted to refer to what *we* would call 100 they would say "century"
The start date was actually important for Poland too, as 3 years before, in 1333, Casimir III the Great took power. He is remembered as the best Polish king and the one of the only two kings with "the Great" nickname.
Athens and Neopatras should be quite fun countries too, being that they were catalan military republics, formed by mercenaries, and being vassals of Sicily that probably will be a PU under Aragon.
Currently there is no certainty that the Justinian plague was the bubonic plague. The descriptions of the authors of the time make one think more of smallpox. It is also possible that there were multiple epidemics at the same time
Lithuania should be as an interesting start with a few paths to continue on: Catholic, Orthodox and Pagan. Also, historically, Lithuania had many internal strifes inside the Gediminaičiai family, which could be separate events/paths: path of Jogaila (closer ties with Poland and introduction of Polish traditions/ideas into Lithuania, less power to the crown because of the strengthening of the nobility) or the path of Vytautas (support of the Hussite wars, potential crown of Bohemia, centralization and strengthening the crown, Tatar/Crimean integration, further expansion into the Rus'ian lands). One more path could be the legacy of the first king Mindaugas - to unify all Baltic cultures. This could allow Lithuania to have a larger Baltic population (I don't exactly know or remember of talks about administrative languages), however it could add a decision to choose Lithuanian as an administrative language and make it a written language (as Lithuanian wasn't even written until 1547, the first Lithuanian Cathecism by Martynas Mažvydas) and give certain boosts and penalties to assimilation, unrest, etc..
@@Muhammad_Sumbul555 This has been a trend the last idk 7 years, I completely agree. But this is their flagship and they're implementing things from so many former games, I think that's a good sign. They can't afford to frick this up, and I think they know this.
Edwards claim to the throne was actually through Philip V of the Capetian Dynasty. Isabella (Edward's mother) was the daughter of Philip IV and sister to Charles IV the last capetian. Since the French nobility did not want the crown to be inherited by a female (Isabella), they decided to put a french native on the throne Philip VI count of Valois. Hence began the 100 years war where Edward tried to force his claim on France. Edit: Philip V -> Philip IV
Another thing of note in regards to Scandinavia at the start: date as was partially mentioned, Scania was pawned off to the Swedish king Magnus Eriksson of Bjälbo. This king was, until the current ruling monarch of Sweden, the longest reigning one. At the time of the start date, he will hold both Scania and Norway under a personal union. His reign will however be very unstable at the start, with Norwegian nobles displeased at the boy being crowned at an age that was legal in Sweden, but not in Norway. He was also crowned simultaneously at one event in Stockholm in 1336, while they wished for a separate one in Norway. In our timeline, this would lead down to high amounts of opposition until a settlement was reached that Magnus' son would become king of Norway instead, while Magnus ruled as regent for the young boy. A clusterschnaps, right? Add on top of that multiple attempts at crusades against Novgorod, the signing of a magna-carta equivalent, outlawing thralldom, and a massive debt from buying Scania and you've got a spicy couple of decades at the start
Imagine a reference to the Candia siege, making it an achievement as Venice to hold it for X ammount of time. Would be very fitting for a Warhammer reference
I love how much history you shed and how many diverse starts you show! I'm used to a lot of Paradox players being very euro-centric but this is extremely refreshing.
I'm not sure if you meant this, but it sounded like you were implying his name wasn't Musa, His name was Kankan Musa Keita (Musa son of Kankan) Musa being his personal name, and Mansa being a title. Glad to see Mali mentioned
Philippe IV wasn't a valois, he was a capetian which Valois is a cadet branch of. It was the main issue, Edward III was excluded from the french throne inheritance because his claim was through a woman and french nobles used salic law that was forgotten at the time to prohibit such inheritence and avoid a british king ruling over France.
I really want to see the fall of Majaphait in the indonesia region, a pirate haven and looting the chinese coasts over and over. Gonna be epic to create a full blown indonesian empire now.
Honestly it will be very interesting to see how things like AE, coalitions and diplomacy are going to work if you're playing as the Ottobros. That Earthquake is going to happen and probably guarantee to deliver you your toehold in europe as long as you hold the coast across from it (I'd be shocked if it wasn't an event that is unavoidable just to remind any byzantine player how destined to fall their empire is). Meaning you have around 20 years to steamroll anatolia while the byzbros are off oofing each other for funsies, and after that it's storming into the balkans to Vienna time. Will be very interesting to see what you can/cannot do, and what your opponents can do to restrain you.
Also France in the Hundred Years’ War will start to use cannons towards the end of it to fire upon enemy units despite they were mainly for siege. As can be seen at battles at Formigny and Castillon And well most of the Hundred Years’ War, there was a lot of peace, there’d be no way they could fight for 116 years especially if there’s a plague
One of my biggest hopes about EUV is that there’s some mechanic to keep the Europeans ahead in tech for at least some time like they were historically. It’s super weird how, by like 1700, a tribe on lake Victoria can be on-par with a world spanning European empire, tech wise. Westernization sucked in the original game, and while institutions are cool as a concept a lot of the time it just feels like everyone is always about the same, except for Central American tribes
I encourage people to check out the Wikipedia for the Hook and Cod War. Makes it sound like there might be some interesting Low Countries stuff near the start too.
Now that Byzantion is so much more viable and it is so much more believable for it to survive, I REALLY hope that PDX plans for them. We will all have so much fun pursuing the usual historical paths of France, Ming, and the Ottomans, but it is legit plausible for Byzantion to have a resurgence and even settle as a great power in Europe. I hope that at minimum we see them get certain interactions with the HRE and the trading powers of Genoa/Venice, and I would love to see them deal with Islamic expansion, the coffee trade, and eventually the consequences of colonialism. What should be huge, HUGE deals in Europe are the East-West schism and the Greek/Latin divide. I am excited to see what PDX does.
I just realized this. If the end date is still gonna be 1821. Then the Ottomans in EU5 will be the best nation to play as a beginner. It starts as a fledging kingdom with small neighbors to its east and a relatively strong neighbor to its west. It'll teach a noob what to prioritize to get strong to defeat Byzantium who is currently bigger and stronger than them. After beating byzantium, players will have the opportunity to learn the religion mechanic in-depth. Teaching them that they have a choice to either tolerate foreign religions or force Islam to their western region. They will also be able to learn how to juggle between east and west expansion to minimize AE gained If the Eyalet mechanic returns and the Ottomans can get an event to instantly get the whole of Egypt in one or two wars, Thenby mid 1400s to the 1500s. The player is expected to reach the Ottoman peak. In this time, they can learn how trade works as they should be able to control the Middle Eastern trade nodes by now, forcing everything to flow to the Constantinople market. Side note: I wish if the majority middle east market became controlled by one islamic mega power. Then, Portugal gets an event to explore alternate trade routes/markets prompting them to start exploring western africa, thus kickstarting the age of exploration. This event will give Portugal an explorer and eventually a colonist along the event chain as they explore western africa and the new world Back to the Ottomans. By 1600s, the noobs are now able to interact with the Decadance mechanic to show them how to manage disasters. This will be their biggest challenge and will determine how their Ottoman campaign will end. This decadence event chain must challenge whatever the player has learned during their playthrough as the Ottomans. It must challenge their knowledge about the religion mechanics, the market/trade mechanic, and lastly, the conquest/military mechanics. If EU5 will have a Vic 3-like recommended campaigns, then a 100% the Ottomans should be the first to be recommended.
I also forgot. Maybe we can expect a Timurid invasion in the game (focused only on Central Asia, Mesopotamia, The Caucases, Anatolia and Delhi). This event should be the biggest roadblock to early Ottoman blobbing by the player. It also should be that if the Ottomans ever bordered the Timurids, it would start a dominance event chain leading to a war where the loser will be fractured. IRL, the Ottomans had a long ass civil war after their loss against the war vs. Timur. I really wonder how they're gonna implement this internal struggle as the Ottoman-Timurid war should often lead to the loss of the Ottomans. It should be difficult for a player to beat the Timurids in their peak, even with a Sultan as great as Bayezid.
2:35 the population margin was even greater than double. According to most estimates, England had a population of 3 million and France, 17 million. The reason England did so well was because before the war started, France was a feudal mess, similar to the Holy Roman Empire. The revealed map may seem relatively unified, however the lands directly controlled by the French king were only Ile de France, Champagne and Normandy in the north as well as Languedoc in the south. Everything else was a patchwork of vassals and appanages, whose loyalty varied.
Speaking of the plague, I wonder how it would be playing out in the Eastern part of the Eurasia. I am speaking about Yuan and Goryeo, as one of the king probably died from the plague. It would have played a huge impact in the fall of Yuan as well. This plague of course spread further west.
@@SafavidAfsharid3197 no i have french source from french university with document from the time periode and the estimated population was of about 18 to 20 million people , La France dans l'époque moderne , state that france was bettew 17 million people before the black death and 7 to 9 million affter
Another standout for me is Marinid Morocco, this was the dynasty that toppled the Almohads and in real life they proved fairly capable, 1337 puts them at their peak right after they entered Iberia and took Gibraltar but right before 1340 when they would launch a large scale invasion of Iberia but be defeated at the battle of Rio Salado. The battle goes unmentioned by a great many people, but it was hugely important in real life, its what cemented the Christian kingdoms as the lords of Iberia, with Grenada no longer sparking trouble again (despite how wealthy they were) and the north african states moving to paying them tribute. But given the size of the Moroccan army, the terrible internal disputes that were set to rock Castille and Aragon, Abu Hassan's own internal stability and good heir by comparison, and the soon approaching black death that devastated Iberia (and could parallel the Ottomans moving into plague devastated Europe) the idea that much of the reconquista could be reversed by a new powerful Moroccan dynasty is not unreasonable at all. This is a far cry from 1444 where the Iberian kingdoms near instsntly start taking coastal Morocco for themselves.
If it isn't Mali, then Norway should be on the Colonial path, apparently in 1347 a shipment of Timber arrived from Markland (current day Labrador Coast in Canada) that was heading for Greenland but got lost and arrived in Iceland.
People always assume that Byzantine and Ottomans were always enemies and thus fought. Truth is they were mostly allies, Sultan Orhan had two Byzantine princesses as wifes and would go hunting for sport with his father in law which is the emperor. And the most prominent reason for Ottomans to get to the Gallipoli and further was to defend Byzantine against Serbs, Bulgars and such which in the end didn't exactly worked out for Byzantine.
The population of France was rather 15 million than 8 million, moreover this is the estimate that paradox chose since if we add up the population of each province on the tinto talk map, we obtain 14 679 138 inhabitants throughout the de jure kingdom (including English Gascony, Brittany and Flanders). While England represented 3 to 5 million rather than 6 million. The demographic ratio was therefore 3 to 1 in favor of France. Btw France was the most populated region in Europe in the Middle Ages, even more populated than the entire Italian peninsula or the entire Holy Roman Empire. It's estimated by historians that one in five Europeans lived in the Capetian kingdom.
Italy kept getting back nearly as populated as France (they stopped being more populated after the Greco-Gothic wars when died 10M from a pop of 13-15M) untill the late renaissance when the population declined and didn’t recover while the rest of Europe kept growing. This was due to a unique Italian phenomenon called “re-feudalisation” as the Italian states now under mostly foreigners started regressing from most of their reforms and became even more stagnant autocratic and oppressive. Ps: this also included Venice which was still under native rule, where basically the nobility has transformed the reppublic in an oligarchy with the sole purpose of preserving the noble’s wealth thus ironically leading them to become stagnant. Untill the 1600s the Venetians were the richest people on earth.
Ludi: ... Black death, dictatorship in Japan, the only war that lasted over a hundred years... Pretty funny how many awesome things happening around the world at this time frame
Great video my Balkan brother, it is so awesome to listen to history of this age. I'm impressed at your knowledge, passion and humor. Dude it's fantastic work, keep it going I truly enjoy your videos. Thank you for all your work, I learned a lot during your gameplays and history lessons, it's just amazing. Peace and love from Slovenia.
No mention of the Khmer/Thai trade off? This is the period of slow decline for the Khmer and the rise of Sukhothai, Lanna, and Ayutthaya. A period of climate instability causing severe floods and severe droughts in rapid succession. In Cambodia, the Bayon had just been completed and a constant struggle between Mahayana, Theravada, and Hinduism was taking place across Cambodia causing several civil wars. Sukhothai founds Ayutthaya in 1350 for it to eventually grow into its own polity.
If the Byzantines,or really just the Greeks in general,didn't fight each other all the time,half of Europe would speak Greek. From the Peloponnesian wars,to the Diadochi wars,to the infinite Byzantine throne wars,to the Greek revolutionary civil wars,to the national schism and even the occupation and post-WW2 civil war and all the coups,Greeks have been fighting each other. I am actually just surprised at how competent we are at certain things and how much God much love us;to allow us to still exist at this point
Same thing applies for Turkish people as well because all Turkish (not Turkic) states got destroyed by their fellow Turks. And most of the Turkic states got weakened by their initial fights for throne between Turkish tribes.
Half of Europe? My man u weren’t going west that’s where Carthage and Rome were. The reppublic simultaneously beat up The Macedonians,Seleucids, Antigonids and the rest of the Greeks aside from the Ptolomeics which were squabbling over their throne as always. Furthermore the Byzantine empire was (again) a Romano/italian creation not Greek. The Roman senate specifically made a point on the danger that the Greeks and Egyptians constituted to the italo-Roman culture. Now it is not in doubt to say that post Justinian plague the Latin influence in the empire was nearly totally dead but the empire still kept relying on Italian cities to survive and was eventually beat up by Venice. After that the Byzantines just kept selling cities to Venice and Genoa which would defend them when inevitably the ottomans attacked them ( which is why the Byzantines were selling them to begin with). Had the Italians states ignored Byzantium the state wouldn’t have lasted past the Seljuks and honestly I believe the same would have been for the Greek states without Rome. They kept fighting each other which would have meant they would have fell to the first big invasion. Then again post Byzanium Venice Naples and Genoa took over most of Greece and put their relatives there (the Venetians destroyed the Pantheon near Athens). After that u were basically under Heathen domination and they actively worked to assimilate your people leaving u with only the original territory u had prior to the Hellenic migration age undoing 3000+ yrs of work. Then again u had the European powers put an autocratic Bavarian as your king and the state started its now consolidated tradition of being nearly always a step away from Bankruptcy.
@@Boretheory if they weren't fighting each other Rome,would have had no chance of defeating a united Hellenic world. Almost everything you said about the Byzantines was just wrong and modern Greece wasn't always near bankruptcy,there were prosperous times and if we didn't spend so much time fighting each other,we would never be even close to bankruptcy to begin with. Anyone who has dedicated a couple years in studying Greek history can tell you that
@@Boretheory Alexander's empire collapsing was Greeks fighting Greeks. Do you really think Rome would have stood a chance against a united Greek successor state? Remember Rome wasn't even able to take on Persia.
Haven't watched the full video, but Galicia-Volynia should definitely be among interesting starting countries. Consider this - surviveing war against literally all of your neighbours and going through succession crisis. Love those challenges like surviving ottoman attack ad Byzantine. Although in case of Galicia-Volynia it'll be surviving attack of Poland/Hubgary against Lithuania/Poland/Golden Horde alliance.
Everytime I see that anatolia map, my eyes are bleeding. Most beyliks have -id (karamanid) at the end, some have just -s (ottomans) , some don't have anything (menteşe) . And then ahiler (-ler means -s in Turkish). I don't know who prepared country names but after each bottle of wine, they changed the logic I think :D Also fun fact, all of those beyliks are called "sons of (leader name)" so there is no karasids, it was karasi oğulları(sons of karasi) , because each and every beylik's name comes from a certain leader.
One thing about the Japanese territories is that there should be some kind of internal struggle even before the Sengoku. The period is known as the Nanbokucho, and in general terms, it consists on a internal power struggle between the newly stablished Ashikaga Shokugante and the figure of Go-Daigo, the emperor who wanted to restablish the imperial rule. This conflict is complex and very caotic, it ends around the 1380s with the victory of the shogunate, who will then experiment a decadence period in the early 1400s untill the Ounin Wars around the half of the century. If we know the Shogunate is already as an IO ingame from the dev diary, we can suppose there will likely not be a big event to represent the Nanbokucho, maybe only a group of lesser events. I know this crisis is way more complex than what I depicted here, but the comment is already too long and details are really not that necessary.
Need help, a question for modders: the Teutonic Order has an event flavor_teu.26 which allows the country to get the Prussian monarchy and militarization (regular). I want to know if there is an event that would give the country precisely Prussian militarization of the maximum level? (this is where for 20 militarization points you can use the solutions charnhorst Maneuvers and Reform the military Manual).
Avec le dutch up next or you're getting colonized th-cam.com/video/AehlfbJ6_Y4/w-d-xo.html
I'm still curious if they'll give any attention/mechanics to Portugal to represent them being the pioneers into the age of discovery/exploration and massive trading routes etc.
European oceanic exploration started with the maritime expeditions of Portugal to the Canary Islands in 1336, just 1 year before game start, and later with the Portuguese discoveries of the Atlantic archipelagos of Madeira and Azores.
You think its possible or they'll focus more on the big dogs?
btw its funny you said orhan osmanoglu, because osman was son of orhan. the reason ottomans were called ottoman was probably because of the word Ataman which was given to turkic leaders on the front. It's actually called Devlet-i Aliyye Osmaniye in turkish which would literally mean "Great State of Osman" or just Devleti Aliyye. also they weren't really religious zealots since they were known to consume kımız which is soured horse milk and the alcohol of the steppes, it was just turkish way, turkish history is all about fighting and conquering from empires as big as china to other turkic tribes lol in fact turks might be responsible for the death of most turks
no, Ludi, pls, not the Dutch
Bro what do u think about culture map mode when we talk about turcic nations? Also what do u think about missions of Central Asian countries?
Hi im from indonesia, am glad you know Majapahit custom of family fight together. in truth it is a practice custom in martial art after Islam but fundamentalist hated it and western powers at the time wanted to curb it so it's mostly curb in records but the vocal or folklore history still record that indeed local Muslim woman took arms during the war of independent before the revolution for independence in 1945
Europa Universalis is really just the golden child of Paradox. So much focus, care and content goes into it to have complex features and detailed historical situations. The other games kinds feel sidelined. Vic3, ck3 and even hoi4 to an extent, when you look at the amount of free content and dlcs put in them compared to eu4 or even stellaris.
I have a theory, which sounds silly, but that it's much easier to make content for Vic3 and CK3 and that actually makes it harder to come up with good ideas.
SteamDb says otherwise. Hoi4 is the biggest PDX game.
@@GM-gb1eu I didn't mention playercount
@@GM-gb1eu only because it's braindead 90% tactical game which attracts a MASSIVE amount of casuals
@@GM-gb1eu HOI4 - encirclement simulator
If Paradox puts in as much care and effort as it seems they will, March of the Eagles 2- I mean EU5 will be their greatest game yet
paradox always finds a way to screw you over. a game you buy from them today is playable in 5 years
Seems*
Paradox only make what they show. No depth.
@@klemklemius5091 EU4 is their golden calf, so messing up EU5 is a big no-no.
@@winstonvontoast6163 EU4 is a weird way to spell HOI4
@@RabidSquirrelX The game is not going to have the amount of content of eu4, is impossible to compete with 10 years of dev. The game needs a really good base with some flavor, but most flavor is just comming with DLCs, CK3 lacked flavor at realease but was a good base game, and DLCs are lacking interesting flavor, vic3 lacked flavor and a good base game. EU5 having a really good base game and some flavor is going to be good enough for a release
Probably lesser known, but the 1300s were one of the most pivotal moments in Korean history. Yi Seonggye's revolt and the establishment of the Joseon dynasty officially ended Korean expansionism, and the persecution of Buddhist and traditional religions in favor of Confucianism completely changed Korean society and culture as a whole. Plus, since Yi abandoned Korea's original plan to invade the Ming and went for a more friendly approach, sino-Korean relations were extremely great for the next few centuries. This later contributed to the Ming's involvement during the Japanese invasions of Korea in 1592. Korea would look a LOT different today if things happened differently during this period
Awesome thanks for that info
I'm still curious if they'll give any attention/mechanics to Portugal to represent them being the pioneers into the age of discovery/exploration and massive trading routes etc.
European oceanic exploration started with the maritime expeditions of Portugal to the Canary Islands in 1336, just 1 year before game start, and later with the Portuguese discoveries of the Atlantic archipelagos of Madeira and Azores.
Johan mentioned multiple times that his favorites country to play is Portugal, that can indicate flavor.
I'd say Poland would be interesting, since the Commonwealth existed only due to the Piast dynasty not having a legitimate male heir. The conflicts with the Teutonic Order are also a relatively interesting topic. 🤔
Playing as Poland would be very intresing given the fact that it was unified recently and the rule of Casimir the Great had started in 1333, togather with the complicated diplomatic relations with the neighbours, his fertilty problems you have mentioned, and the fact that Poland was affected by the plague relatively less than the rest of Europe.
@@Hildur- Yea Poland should have a choice to have Casimir IV, Duke of Pomerania become King over Louis of Hungary
@@Hildur- Oh, he didn't have a fertility problem, he just couldn't get a legal son. He had a few bastards.
@@ayylmao2569post this on the forum, the devs are listening to the community
@@Hildur- not being overly effected by the plague is also likely why the Commonwealth became a feared power due to the size and scope of its population and economic capacity. If the Polish and Lithuanian nobles didn't like to stab each other quite as much as they did they would have been a true threat instead of just a paper threat
The word "hundred" used to refer to what we would call 120 because England worked in dozens, not decimals. If people wanted to refer to what *we* would call 100 they would say "century"
Nice theory, but they started calling it that in the 19th century, and was probably coined by the French.
The start date was actually important for Poland too, as 3 years before, in 1333, Casimir III the Great took power. He is remembered as the best Polish king and the one of the only two kings with "the Great" nickname.
Hungry under the House of Anjou should be pretty fun too
Rip Hungary
A fairy tale about how the French liked Hungarian sausages.
Athens and Neopatras should be quite fun countries too, being that they were catalan military republics, formed by mercenaries, and being vassals of Sicily that probably will be a PU under Aragon.
very true, I will for sure try out neopatras
Currently there is no certainty that the Justinian plague was the bubonic plague. The descriptions of the authors of the time make one think more of smallpox. It is also possible that there were multiple epidemics at the same time
Lithuania should be as an interesting start with a few paths to continue on: Catholic, Orthodox and Pagan. Also, historically, Lithuania had many internal strifes inside the Gediminaičiai family, which could be separate events/paths: path of Jogaila (closer ties with Poland and introduction of Polish traditions/ideas into Lithuania, less power to the crown because of the strengthening of the nobility) or the path of Vytautas (support of the Hussite wars, potential crown of Bohemia, centralization and strengthening the crown, Tatar/Crimean integration, further expansion into the Rus'ian lands). One more path could be the legacy of the first king Mindaugas - to unify all Baltic cultures. This could allow Lithuania to have a larger Baltic population (I don't exactly know or remember of talks about administrative languages), however it could add a decision to choose Lithuanian as an administrative language and make it a written language (as Lithuanian wasn't even written until 1547, the first Lithuanian Cathecism by Martynas Mažvydas) and give certain boosts and penalties to assimilation, unrest, etc..
just gloss over a civil war that happened in next few years past start date giving birth to the SECRET SITH DUUMVIRATE OF ALGIRDAS AND KESTUTIS
Lithuania could even have a Jewish path as well.
I’m just waiting to play as Tamerlane and play as the invader timurids
Same, it would be cool if Chagatai had an event to release Timurids in the West and play as them since the Barlas tribe was a part of Chagatai ulus.
You definitely need to make more of these I’d binge watch them all
Im praying EU5 is a banger when it comes out, I just need assurance from bringing elements of EU4 but bringing new stuff like population too
Cope more
@@Muhammad_Sumbul555 Lol Y U mad?
@@wastedviking6280 no, Paradox Interactive simply releases messed up and unfinished games only to fix them over the next few years by adding paid DLC
@@Muhammad_Sumbul555 This has been a trend the last idk 7 years, I completely agree. But this is their flagship and they're implementing things from so many former games, I think that's a good sign.
They can't afford to frick this up, and I think they know this.
@@wastedviking6280 I wish I was as optimistic as you
Edwards claim to the throne was actually through Philip V of the Capetian Dynasty. Isabella (Edward's mother) was the daughter of Philip IV and sister to Charles IV the last capetian. Since the French nobility did not want the crown to be inherited by a female (Isabella), they decided to put a french native on the throne Philip VI count of Valois. Hence began the 100 years war where Edward tried to force his claim on France.
Edit: Philip V -> Philip IV
Philip IV, but otherwise spot on. Philip VI was also known as Philip the Fortunate
Bohemia will be fun and may turn into a new Austria, but much better. The reason why in EU4 has ideas for HRE is because of time of EU5
not sure if better but definitly more fun
You could say this start date is rather leet
Another thing of note in regards to Scandinavia at the start: date as was partially mentioned, Scania was pawned off to the Swedish king Magnus Eriksson of Bjälbo. This king was, until the current ruling monarch of Sweden, the longest reigning one. At the time of the start date, he will hold both Scania and Norway under a personal union.
His reign will however be very unstable at the start, with Norwegian nobles displeased at the boy being crowned at an age that was legal in Sweden, but not in Norway. He was also crowned simultaneously at one event in Stockholm in 1336, while they wished for a separate one in Norway. In our timeline, this would lead down to high amounts of opposition until a settlement was reached that Magnus' son would become king of Norway instead, while Magnus ruled as regent for the young boy.
A clusterschnaps, right? Add on top of that multiple attempts at crusades against Novgorod, the signing of a magna-carta equivalent, outlawing thralldom, and a massive debt from buying Scania and you've got a spicy couple of decades at the start
Imagine a reference to the Candia siege, making it an achievement as Venice to hold it for X ammount of time. Would be very fitting for a Warhammer reference
I love how much history you shed and how many diverse starts you show! I'm used to a lot of Paradox players being very euro-centric but this is extremely refreshing.
I'm not sure if you meant this, but it sounded like you were implying his name wasn't Musa, His name was Kankan Musa Keita (Musa son of Kankan) Musa being his personal name, and Mansa being a title. Glad to see Mali mentioned
Philippe IV wasn't a valois, he was a capetian which Valois is a cadet branch of.
It was the main issue, Edward III was excluded from the french throne inheritance because his claim was through a woman and french nobles used salic law that was forgotten at the time to prohibit such inheritence and avoid a british king ruling over France.
I really want to see the fall of Majaphait in the indonesia region, a pirate haven and looting the chinese coasts over and over. Gonna be epic to create a full blown indonesian empire now.
You already have over 200k subs Ludi 🎉 well done
Thank you! 😃
I hope there will be events in all countries that ibn Battuta traveled. It would be cool Paradox, I know you read this.
13:05 Ludi solving the ongoing Yemen civil war be suggesting modern day slave trade - confirmed.
Everybody missed a real elephant- Mamluks
I think the Timurid invasion will be very interesting to see
I doubt Yuan will have a decadence mechanic. They might have a modifier or events that hurt it, but we know it is based on stability.
Honestly it will be very interesting to see how things like AE, coalitions and diplomacy are going to work if you're playing as the Ottobros. That Earthquake is going to happen and probably guarantee to deliver you your toehold in europe as long as you hold the coast across from it (I'd be shocked if it wasn't an event that is unavoidable just to remind any byzantine player how destined to fall their empire is). Meaning you have around 20 years to steamroll anatolia while the byzbros are off oofing each other for funsies, and after that it's storming into the balkans to Vienna time. Will be very interesting to see what you can/cannot do, and what your opponents can do to restrain you.
My favorite videos lately Ludi!
Yo Ludi, Philippe IV also called "the fair" was the last Capet and was not a valois. Charles VI was the first valois king
Could you make a 2nd channel dedicated to history, i think many of us would enjoy that content.
Great video! I like it!!
Ottoman wc by 1444 should be fun, looking forward to it.
Also France in the Hundred Years’ War will start to use cannons towards the end of it to fire upon enemy units despite they were mainly for siege. As can be seen at battles at Formigny and Castillon And well most of the Hundred Years’ War, there was a lot of peace, there’d be no way they could fight for 116 years especially if there’s a plague
One of my biggest hopes about EUV is that there’s some mechanic to keep the Europeans ahead in tech for at least some time like they were historically. It’s super weird how, by like 1700, a tribe on lake Victoria can be on-par with a world spanning European empire, tech wise.
Westernization sucked in the original game, and while institutions are cool as a concept a lot of the time it just feels like everyone is always about the same, except for Central American tribes
The White Horde?
I can't believe Paradox put my family reunion in this game!
I would love to hear more simplified Byzantine history from Ludi.
I encourage people to check out the Wikipedia for the Hook and Cod War. Makes it sound like there might be some interesting Low Countries stuff near the start too.
Now that Byzantion is so much more viable and it is so much more believable for it to survive, I REALLY hope that PDX plans for them. We will all have so much fun pursuing the usual historical paths of France, Ming, and the Ottomans, but it is legit plausible for Byzantion to have a resurgence and even settle as a great power in Europe.
I hope that at minimum we see them get certain interactions with the HRE and the trading powers of Genoa/Venice, and I would love to see them deal with Islamic expansion, the coffee trade, and eventually the consequences of colonialism.
What should be huge, HUGE deals in Europe are the East-West schism and the Greek/Latin divide. I am excited to see what PDX does.
EU5 does not exist, you are talking about project Caesar.
It’s basically EU5
Project Caesar isn't a game title. It's a work in progress title.
@@samcraft3 Everyone knows it's Vic4
i sincerely hope you’re being ironic
Eu4 2
Dude even in EU4 when you vassalize Byz they are constantly having civil wars and rebellions.
i heard somewhere that mansa munsa brought so much gold and gifted so much that regional economies went into inflation
I just realized this.
If the end date is still gonna be 1821. Then the Ottomans in EU5 will be the best nation to play as a beginner.
It starts as a fledging kingdom with small neighbors to its east and a relatively strong neighbor to its west. It'll teach a noob what to prioritize to get strong to defeat Byzantium who is currently bigger and stronger than them.
After beating byzantium, players will have the opportunity to learn the religion mechanic in-depth. Teaching them that they have a choice to either tolerate foreign religions or force Islam to their western region. They will also be able to learn how to juggle between east and west expansion to minimize AE gained
If the Eyalet mechanic returns and the Ottomans can get an event to instantly get the whole of Egypt in one or two wars,
Thenby mid 1400s to the 1500s. The player is expected to reach the Ottoman peak. In this time, they can learn how trade works as they should be able to control the Middle Eastern trade nodes by now, forcing everything to flow to the Constantinople market. Side note: I wish if the majority middle east market became controlled by one islamic mega power. Then, Portugal gets an event to explore alternate trade routes/markets prompting them to start exploring western africa, thus kickstarting the age of exploration. This event will give Portugal an explorer and eventually a colonist along the event chain as they explore western africa and the new world
Back to the Ottomans. By 1600s, the noobs are now able to interact with the Decadance mechanic to show them how to manage disasters. This will be their biggest challenge and will determine how their Ottoman campaign will end.
This decadence event chain must challenge whatever the player has learned during their playthrough as the Ottomans. It must challenge their knowledge about the religion mechanics, the market/trade mechanic, and lastly, the conquest/military mechanics.
If EU5 will have a Vic 3-like recommended campaigns, then a 100% the Ottomans should be the first to be recommended.
I also forgot.
Maybe we can expect a Timurid invasion in the game (focused only on Central Asia, Mesopotamia, The Caucases, Anatolia and Delhi). This event should be the biggest roadblock to early Ottoman blobbing by the player. It also should be that if the Ottomans ever bordered the Timurids, it would start a dominance event chain leading to a war where the loser will be fractured.
IRL, the Ottomans had a long ass civil war after their loss against the war vs. Timur.
I really wonder how they're gonna implement this internal struggle as the Ottoman-Timurid war should often lead to the loss of the Ottomans. It should be difficult for a player to beat the Timurids in their peak, even with a Sultan as great as Bayezid.
2:35 the population margin was even greater than double. According to most estimates, England had a population of 3 million and France, 17 million. The reason England did so well was because before the war started, France was a feudal mess, similar to the Holy Roman Empire. The revealed map may seem relatively unified, however the lands directly controlled by the French king were only Ile de France, Champagne and Normandy in the north as well as Languedoc in the south. Everything else was a patchwork of vassals and appanages, whose loyalty varied.
Speaking of the plague, I wonder how it would be playing out in the Eastern part of the Eurasia. I am speaking about Yuan and Goryeo, as one of the king probably died from the plague. It would have played a huge impact in the fall of Yuan as well. This plague of course spread further west.
Make more of these
ludi no , france add about 20 million people in 1337 , also the justinian plague was possibly the small pox or anthrax , not the black death
and i am french for you to know
@@TheMadsWeaponEngineerFrance had less than 15 million people in 14th century.
@@SafavidAfsharid3197 no i have french source from french university with document from the time periode and the estimated population was of about 18 to 20 million people , La France dans l'époque moderne , state that france was bettew 17 million people before the black death and 7 to 9 million affter
I just hope it launches with at least 2 start dates: 1337 and 1492 or some year close to this so we can play colonization from the start.
Another standout for me is Marinid Morocco, this was the dynasty that toppled the Almohads and in real life they proved fairly capable, 1337 puts them at their peak right after they entered Iberia and took Gibraltar but right before 1340 when they would launch a large scale invasion of Iberia but be defeated at the battle of Rio Salado.
The battle goes unmentioned by a great many people, but it was hugely important in real life, its what cemented the Christian kingdoms as the lords of Iberia, with Grenada no longer sparking trouble again (despite how wealthy they were) and the north african states moving to paying them tribute.
But given the size of the Moroccan army, the terrible internal disputes that were set to rock Castille and Aragon, Abu Hassan's own internal stability and good heir by comparison, and the soon approaching black death that devastated Iberia (and could parallel the Ottomans moving into plague devastated Europe) the idea that much of the reconquista could be reversed by a new powerful Moroccan dynasty is not unreasonable at all. This is a far cry from 1444 where the Iberian kingdoms near instsntly start taking coastal Morocco for themselves.
Cool vid Ludi buddy. Do you know this history in your head or do you look it all up before you make these vids?
If it isn't Mali, then Norway should be on the Colonial path, apparently in 1347 a shipment of Timber arrived from Markland (current day Labrador Coast in Canada) that was heading for Greenland but got lost and arrived in Iceland.
Im thinking of doing a ireland first playtrought , tutorial island goess brrrrrrrr
Eu5 I can't wait!!!!!
i would love to see an anatolian thunderdome, the winner of which gains enough power to challenge byz
People always assume that Byzantine and Ottomans were always enemies and thus fought. Truth is they were mostly allies, Sultan Orhan had two Byzantine princesses as wifes and would go hunting for sport with his father in law which is the emperor. And the most prominent reason for Ottomans to get to the Gallipoli and further was to defend Byzantine against Serbs, Bulgars and such which in the end didn't exactly worked out for Byzantine.
You should also cover the Hansa
The population of France was rather 15 million than 8 million, moreover this is the estimate that paradox chose since if we add up the population of each province on the tinto talk map, we obtain 14 679 138 inhabitants throughout the de jure kingdom (including English Gascony, Brittany and Flanders). While England represented 3 to 5 million rather than 6 million. The demographic ratio was therefore 3 to 1 in favor of France. Btw France was the most populated region in Europe in the Middle Ages, even more populated than the entire Italian peninsula or the entire Holy Roman Empire. It's estimated by historians that one in five Europeans lived in the Capetian kingdom.
Italy kept getting back nearly as populated as France (they stopped being more populated after the Greco-Gothic wars when died 10M from a pop of 13-15M) untill the late renaissance when the population declined and didn’t recover while the rest of Europe kept growing. This was due to a unique Italian phenomenon called “re-feudalisation” as the Italian states now under mostly foreigners started regressing from most of their reforms and became even more stagnant autocratic and oppressive.
Ps: this also included Venice which was still under native rule, where basically the nobility has transformed the reppublic in an oligarchy with the sole purpose of preserving the noble’s wealth thus ironically leading them to become stagnant. Untill the 1600s the Venetians were the richest people on earth.
Ludi:
... Black death, dictatorship in Japan, the only war that lasted over a hundred years... Pretty funny how many awesome things happening around the world at this time frame
I know the hussite wars will happen later in campaign but i am as czech really excited about playing Bohemia
I am super hyped for eu5 and can't wait to play France
Great video my Balkan brother, it is so awesome to listen to history of this age. I'm impressed at your knowledge, passion and humor. Dude it's fantastic work, keep it going I truly enjoy your videos. Thank you for all your work, I learned a lot during your gameplays and history lessons, it's just amazing. Peace and love from Slovenia.
thanks for listening brother
Balkan people agreeing? IMPOSSIBLE
Must be a spy
There are weeks where decades happen, and decades where weeks happen.
My man forgot about the Hungarians with Anjou rulers and Sigismund of Luxembourgh
No mention of the Khmer/Thai trade off? This is the period of slow decline for the Khmer and the rise of Sukhothai, Lanna, and Ayutthaya. A period of climate instability causing severe floods and severe droughts in rapid succession. In Cambodia, the Bayon had just been completed and a constant struggle between Mahayana, Theravada, and Hinduism was taking place across Cambodia causing several civil wars. Sukhothai founds Ayutthaya in 1350 for it to eventually grow into its own polity.
Some videos about mesoamerica would be awesome!
If the Byzantines,or really just the Greeks in general,didn't fight each other all the time,half of Europe would speak Greek.
From the Peloponnesian wars,to the Diadochi wars,to the infinite Byzantine throne wars,to the Greek revolutionary civil wars,to the national schism and even the occupation and post-WW2 civil war and all the coups,Greeks have been fighting each other.
I am actually just surprised at how competent we are at certain things and how much God much love us;to allow us to still exist at this point
you are so spot on ! Biggest enemy of Greeks historically has been the Greeks xD
Same thing applies for Turkish people as well because all Turkish (not Turkic) states got destroyed by their fellow Turks. And most of the Turkic states got weakened by their initial fights for throne between Turkish tribes.
Half of Europe? My man u weren’t going west that’s where Carthage and Rome were. The reppublic simultaneously beat up The Macedonians,Seleucids, Antigonids and the rest of the Greeks aside from the Ptolomeics which were squabbling over their throne as always. Furthermore the Byzantine empire was (again) a Romano/italian creation not Greek. The Roman senate specifically made a point on the danger that the Greeks and Egyptians constituted to the italo-Roman culture. Now it is not in doubt to say that post Justinian plague the Latin influence in the empire was nearly totally dead but the empire still kept relying on Italian cities to survive and was eventually beat up by Venice. After that the Byzantines just kept selling cities to Venice and Genoa which would defend them when inevitably the ottomans attacked them ( which is why the Byzantines were selling them to begin with). Had the Italians states ignored Byzantium the state wouldn’t have lasted past the Seljuks and honestly I believe the same would have been for the Greek states without Rome. They kept fighting each other which would have meant they would have fell to the first big invasion. Then again post Byzanium Venice Naples and Genoa took over most of Greece and put their relatives there (the Venetians destroyed the Pantheon near Athens). After that u were basically under Heathen domination and they actively worked to assimilate your people leaving u with only the original territory u had prior to the Hellenic migration age undoing 3000+ yrs of work. Then again u had the European powers put an autocratic Bavarian as your king and the state started its now consolidated tradition of being nearly always a step away from Bankruptcy.
@@Boretheory if they weren't fighting each other Rome,would have had no chance of defeating a united Hellenic world. Almost everything you said about the Byzantines was just wrong and modern Greece wasn't always near bankruptcy,there were prosperous times and if we didn't spend so much time fighting each other,we would never be even close to bankruptcy to begin with.
Anyone who has dedicated a couple years in studying Greek history can tell you that
@@Boretheory Alexander's empire collapsing was Greeks fighting Greeks. Do you really think Rome would have stood a chance against a united Greek successor state? Remember Rome wasn't even able to take on Persia.
Also when the byzantines fought each other often one side employed the ottomans as mercenaries so basically they invited the ottomans into Balkans :D
The claim that the Justinian Plague and the Black Death are the exact same disease sadly is incorrect, my broski
Mamluks is the one of largest empire at that time but its not interesting again :/
Interesting and binge worthy video 🤓
Thank you, glad you think so ^-^
It would also be interesting to play the Delhi Sultanate and keep from imploding perhaps. Then again it could be an Indian "Ming".
i think Johan said Delhi Sultanate has a 'situation' that breaks them into little pieces at game start
could you share any source about yemeni oguz turkic first time I heard
ottomans got gallipoli because of a Byzantine civil war
one of the sides allowed ottomans to cross and capture gallipoli
Can it be called a.... DELIPHANT? *cue awkward Ludi dad joke laugh* 😂
haven't been keeping up with eu5 but will civil wars be modeled
Haven't watched the full video, but Galicia-Volynia should definitely be among interesting starting countries. Consider this - surviveing war against literally all of your neighbours and going through succession crisis. Love those challenges like surviving ottoman attack ad Byzantine. Although in case of Galicia-Volynia it'll be surviving attack of Poland/Hubgary against Lithuania/Poland/Golden Horde alliance.
They gonna be polish food via event for sure bro
I'm really excited about playing in asia. Especially if they add more cultural/religious flavor. I live for that sh* !
Personally, I'm most interested in Granada, Friesland, and the Jalayirids!
Battuta in Italian translates to joke, therefore Ibn-Battuta is "Son of a joke"
Everytime I see that anatolia map, my eyes are bleeding. Most beyliks have -id (karamanid) at the end, some have just -s (ottomans) , some don't have anything (menteşe) . And then ahiler (-ler means -s in Turkish). I don't know who prepared country names but after each bottle of wine, they changed the logic I think :D
Also fun fact, all of those beyliks are called "sons of (leader name)" so there is no karasids, it was karasi oğulları(sons of karasi) , because each and every beylik's name comes from a certain leader.
One thing about the Japanese territories is that there should be some kind of internal struggle even before the Sengoku. The period is known as the Nanbokucho, and in general terms, it consists on a internal power struggle between the newly stablished Ashikaga Shokugante and the figure of Go-Daigo, the emperor who wanted to restablish the imperial rule. This conflict is complex and very caotic, it ends around the 1380s with the victory of the shogunate, who will then experiment a decadence period in the early 1400s untill the Ounin Wars around the half of the century.
If we know the Shogunate is already as an IO ingame from the dev diary, we can suppose there will likely not be a big event to represent the Nanbokucho, maybe only a group of lesser events.
I know this crisis is way more complex than what I depicted here, but the comment is already too long and details are really not that necessary.
Thanks.
It wasn’t Philip IV de Valois, the de Valois started with Phillip IV’s nephew Philip the VI - Philip IV was a Capet.
yeah that was my bad, I meant the 6th but said the 4th, fking too many philips
Ludi is there event or something happend to chagayhai can poped up timurid and timurid conquest
14:58 true for a time period but we are terrible at advertising our history
3:20 *decimated means a 10% decrease, what you mean is devastated*
Are the Cuantacuzino from romania related to the byzantium ones ?
would be interrsting to see some flavour with the Serbian Empire and the legendary Battle of Kosovo against the Ottomans
Need help, a question for modders: the Teutonic Order has an event flavor_teu.26 which allows the country to get the Prussian monarchy and militarization (regular). I want to know if there is an event that would give the country precisely Prussian militarization of the maximum level? (this is where for 20 militarization points you can use the solutions charnhorst Maneuvers and Reform the military Manual).
Don’t get me wrong, I love the EU videos, but I can’t wait for Ludi to give up the vidya games and become a full time history guy
4:45 , Didn't the mongol invasions of Japan happen in the 13th century though? I don't remember hearing of mongols invading Japan again after that.
I feel like 80% of all the cool stuff you are describing as possible only will be there after 6 years and behind 100$ paywall
Hey, look at that thick boy. I won't have to restart a thousand times before I can unite the Roman Empire.
I wonder how they will picture the mid 1300 revolts in france and italy
No mention of Poland and the greatest of Piasts Casimir III the Great. I am sad :(
it would propably be after lithuania Hungary and Bohemia all a lot better in the region
I think that game will not be complete without next 5 dlcs
8:46, I mean, that would be wrong, because Norway.