The First EU5 FEATURE That I DON'T LIKE
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In this video titled The First EU5 FEATURE That I DON'T LIKE I discuss the latest Dev Diaries posted on the PDX forums titled Tinto Talks and Tinto Maps about the upcoming Paradox Interactive Project Caesar, that by now we all know is about Europa Universalis: V. In this video we take a first look at the new Baltic, Poland, Italy, Great Britain and Ireland maps along with the new character and cabinet systems.
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What's that
You both have been advertising it in your videos, yet I still have no idea what the hell it might be
@@SereglothIV I think it will be a channel for multiplayer Strategy games matches, mostly focused on Paradox games I bet.
Wtf is para bellum?
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I agree on that "18th century King of France" image. It looks quite ridiculous in general and especially for his title. Man there looks like a Dark Ages baron to me to be honest.
i mean its obviously a placeholder we shouldnt worry about it ...
@@toreq1127 I wouldn't be that sure to be honest. Assuming these images are rendered automatically which might not be the case but we can't know... I just don't think that King of France in 18th century would look like this.
@@manageberg it's not a big issue for Victoria 3 because it's a shorter game and the rulers can sort of "afford" to use the same clothes forever, but for EU5 the portraits are going to look VERY dated and wrong if the clothes are not updated for the era (high medieval, renaissance, etc.)
@@pedrokiihl856 I'm actually a bit more appalled with that ridiculous beard rather than costumes. I don't believe anyone in that timeframe would wear that kind of beard.
In the ruling history of England the 2 lions are the "de Normandie" dynasty and the 3 lions are the "Plantagenets"
That correct the first king to use three lions was Richard the first. The earliest surviving representation of an escutcheon, or shield, displaying three lions is that on the Great Seal of King Richard I (1189-1199), which initially displayed one or two lions rampant, but in 1198 was permanently altered to depict three lions passant, perhaps representing Richard I's principal three positions as King of the English, Duke of Normandy, and Duke of Aquitaine.
Etienne would be King Stephen of Blois, who seized the throne when the (female) heir was still overseas. Civil war ensued which was resolved by her son becoming the next king
The 3d models definitely look more at home for a dopey roleplay mobile game than they do for the EU series
Europe Medieval War 7 has even better portraits lol ( A Mobile game)
Because they're cheap and customisable and free up dev time, make stuff easier for modders. That's true in every type of gaming.
they used a lot of money making the 3d system in ck3, and they just want to use it everywhere now.....
for sure
But then they should atleast make it look as good as CK3, the EU4 characters look like CK2 characters with higher resolution
Next they’re going to tell us you can’t control your armies
Johan himself said that "Project Caesar will have a warfare system that involving moving units in locations on the map."
@@fafjaafh oh good, the fact they even have to say that is sad!
@@jung9399 Well, he obviously don't want to have another disaster like Victoria 3 with it's "amazing" warfare system. Victoria 3, from what i heard, is in a state that if 1.7 version fails to bring players back, they gonna abandon it like Rome.
Wich isnt likely to happen. Unfortunately parodox dont seem to realize the first impression sticks to peoplem. Even tho both imperator and victoria have a lot of potential. @@fafjaafh
Wgat are you referring to brother?
Maybe it's just because I've been a Civilization player for thirty-three years, but the character portraits don't bother me, particularly. I just hope they'll change to reflect things like rank, government type, and time period. An emperor should look more impressive than a duke, and the head of a merchant republic should not wear a crown, for example. And I really, really hope this "European King" is a thrown-together example just to have something to show us, and not a real in-game character, because he may be in an 18th-century room, but he looks like he's just come back from watching a joust. It's one thing for the leader's appearance in Civ to be static, because there the leader is more of an abstraction. In a game like EU, where they're meant to be actual characters in an actual time period, having the ruler presented anachronistically would be more immersion-breaking than not having a visible character at all, in my opinion.
Well said
I completely agree, I don't like how 3d portraits look, and on top of that it reduces the amount of possible mods like with hoi4 for example because of the portraits being 2d it is incredibly easy to mod different ones in
15:54 Paradox can actually do this though, just use the sameish system that ck2 has with their portraits, but with updated graphics and diversity.
Overall the 3d characters Paradox makes just look a little off to me
The 3D portraits look like they are from cutscenes in Age of Empires 2.
I think it's really just missing some subsurface scattering, the skin looks too flat.
both portraits look trash, the drawing looking 2d pictures felt much better and immersive
Sorry I might be in the minority, but I get less enthusiastic about EU5 the more that is revealed. I have no desire whatsoever to deal with characters. I hope it works out for everyone, but I probably won’t be buying EU5 at launch. Want to see some gameplay before deciding
It's good that the instance of "gameplay before deciding" is becoming far more common with Paradox releases. The days of pre-order are over for this company.
Eu4 seems to really have been the peak of the series. This looks way too close to CK3 and some parts of Vic3. I don't understand why.
Yeah I'm not too excited right now. All they had to do was revamp EU4 with a new start date and improve on the features they currently have. I don't know why they choose to overthink this. It's one of your most popular games ever, why go in the complete opposite direction in the sequel?
I'm in the opposite camp, but I'm glad there are some voices that disagree and prevent the entire dialogue around eu5 devolving in an echo chamber just parroting each other how great the game is with no room for different opinions. Though it looks like it's pretty much set in stone already with how it ties in with many other systems, I hope it is a system that you can largely ignore if you so desire
@@pedrokiihl856thats what an Imperator, Vic3, and city skylines 2 will get you
I very much agree, the 3d model of the European ruler looks very cheap.
What do you think of the omission of Monaco as a location?
Personally it really irks me, its a historically significant location and was bigger during the scope of Project Caesar, so it warrants being a location. Pavia's response was that it was too small, but Venice is also very small! Not to mention certain HRE locations.
That's the thing, it wasn't. It was a rock that nobody really gave a shit about. Spend most of its time in this era as a principality of Genoa.
While i like the control given over the dynasty, i agree about 3d character models. EU isnt about the dynasty or the ruler. its about the State, and the centralization of monarchy and the creation of massive empires, overseas and over land. Crusader kings focuses on the dynasty first and foremost, and the game end state is either losing your kingdom OR losing your dynasty. in EU the only end state was being annexed, as the state was the focus. it certainly doesnt help that EU5 already has to do a lot, and these models dont look great. so i worry that its going to demand resources that could be better used on making the UI look better, or the events, etc. (im assuming that the character models are largely an artist project, not a programming one)
I do not like the idea of 3D models and to be honest after seeing it in CK3 and Vic 3 there was a high chance it was going to be there
@@tylerghersinich576 Yeah, definitely was gonna happen, paradox really seems set on trying to implement it into all their games.
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My concern is how this system might make it harder to follow a strictly historical path. Suppose a major turning point in a nation's history involves the marriage between two characters - will you need an unmarried heir to trigger that event? If so, how will the AI consistently trigger it, especially if it takes place 100/200 years down the line? I like that EU4 basically cheats and gives you events to throw in historical rulers so that nations always have the right dynasty in charge. Will the game keep track of lesser known dynasties that will later ascend? Will characters pop out of thin air and suddenly rule? Will the game have a pre-written dynastical history for them or will they be spawned from the void?
I personally feel like if you let a Paradox game play without any player intervention, ideally it ought to end up with a lot of recognisable elements from our history. I'm concerned this system might get in the way of roleplay rather than encouraging it, as I want to play as a good representation of my nation rather than as an OC who gets plopped into the time period.
I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on not turning EU into Victoria.
But the UI, the fonts, the 3D -- it's just abysmal. Might as ell have been a mobile game. And that's not even talking about that eyesore sand-coloured map fade.
Sounds like your only complaint is the visual execution of characters, not the idea of including characters themselves or expanding their role in game. The visual execution of characters can, and probably will change. I'm glad they're adding them in but yes it could be done better.
I like the characters being implemented in EUV. I am going through a Muscovy/Russia game right now and Ivan the Terrible just died. Throughout his reign, I got events about stuff that happened irl, with his early rule being more chill and peaceful and his later rule being more unhinged. The problem was that rulers’ traits are static, so he was a 6 5 6 the entire time, and it felt like his entire rule was great when there should’ve been turmoil in the later years.
First lobotomy performed on humans was in 1936.
i hope so badly for a portrait setting or mod
I would prefer a 2D portrait instead of having hundreds of 3D characters lagging my game
Yes thank you, Red Hawk. I agree. I also don't like sims-looking characters.
The maps and provinces look complicated. I hope the reform the Fort Zones.
How about if the models where done and textured in the period style and art of the nations and regions? Similar to the EU4 advisors and would evolve to reflect ingame time?
Maybe tapestry creation for national histories?
the irl collab
CK3 character models were impressive... but I would rather not have them in EU5
why they in underware
We were playing Lego Star Wars, had to record this promo for the greatest competitive EU4 show in the universe, then back to Lego Star Wars, you know how it is
Loving the Para Bellum ads!
Wake up babe! New Laith and Red Hawk collaboration just dropped!
Hmm I don't mind graphics that much in general so I'm cool with them and tbh few months into the game somebody WILL replace them with anything else including stock porn images either way.
finally getting around to the weeks old info lmao - k
Idk man, I like the 3D portraits better
I think the way they did the States thing is too complex. Should be more clear
I get where you're coming from on the character models but honestly idc it's a map game as long as the maps look nice I'm not bothered about some character I'll see twice before he dies
I just cant wait to spend 300 euros on dlc for eu5
ck2 have 2d models, and i cant play ck3 with those 3d models
I would like if you're able to get gifted enough characters that they don't start with 0 so it's easier to get them higher cause you keep marrying smart people or something.
I'm with you on the 3D characters. CK2 has some really nice 2D portraits like they were drawn by the royal painter or something and you'd hang it up in the castle to show the ruler. CK3 has 3D characters and they're just not as good.
The characters in Victoria 3 look awful too, but we still have them
Oh I I’ve always wanted proper royal marriages and not just a relations boost and I like we got characters though but their dynasty and day to day life is not essential to us
loved the intro
I don't think its fair to complain about the how the character models look right now, we've seen that their still working on quite a few things. The first doesn't look great but I think they'll look a lot better on release imo. The character models looking bad is really a moot point for me tbh.
3D models are fine looking better than Vicky 3. But this is taking up valuable development time. That is my issue.
Valuable processing power being used up in what will be an already incredibly demanding game could be a concern as well
This 3D model system strikes me like intricately coding a complex AI for your fantasy chess mini-game in an action rpg. Sure, you could do it, and maybe it makes this minor aspect of the game better. However, you could simply not waste valuable publisher cash, developer man-hours, and customer processors on this nearly irrelevant aspect of the game.
Beyond TH-camrs wanting flashy thumbnails, Paradox gamers don't care that much about what the current batch of characters looks like. Most of the people who even bother to engage with the character system just use it to make abominations named something ridiculous like Kingy McKingface (see every multi-player CK3 video on TH-cam).
@@Alex_Fahey Just because throwing out memes every two seconds is more algorithm friendly doesn't mean that people aren't using this stuff
@@Alex_Fahey It's understandable for Crusader Kings 3, but for EU5 and ESPECIALLY for Vic3 is a huge waste of resources for both developer and user.
Oh, Hawk. The English... The first 3 are the Normans. Etienne is better known in English as Stephen, a grandson of William the Conqueror by a daughter and it looks like they are using a different flag. Henry II is the fist Plantagenet, grandson of Henry I by a daughter, but using the English flag.
Is just me or that 3d character looks like Red Hawk himself? Lmao
MMM Hoi4 the disney cartoon
I don´t know, the models actually don´t bother me at all. Especially if it is something we will not look all the time. I personally preffer 3D model over 2D.
wtf laith jumpscare
Mullet hawk soon
I don't particularly like the 3d models but I also don't care enough about them to dislike them.
Eveyday eu5 looks like a game that won't run well
It's a Paradox game. Of course it won't run well.
bro Laith is looking so sexy
They invested so much in the engine for the characters model so of course they will use it if you play ck3 you will know how your child will have same face from his Ancestors and if he looks different There is a high probability that he is not your son so i like the characters system
Laith needs a haircut ffs
It just doesn't really matter that much tbh
Yeah not a fan of the 3d models. Don't like it in ck3 and probably wont in eu5. Will probably make the game run worse as well :(
I like the idea of characters cause it gives the games personality, and you will make better associations with your rulers/generals/etc than just boring static names. But yeah the 3D examples they’ve shown so far look cheap. Weirdly, they looked better in CK3, maybe just because of the dark backgrounds, like they may have had darker lighting on them than in the Tinto Talks images.
I will not buy eu5 with that ugly ass style, im supposed to sit hours through that game and look at their horrible models? Nope, you cannot patch bad design
3d models are good lmao.
To you perhaps, but not everyone is a fan of the 3D models.
At the very least paradox could give us a settings option to disable this feature.
@@greenrocket23 that is a lot lot of effort that goes against the point of having 3d models in the first place lol
I like them in CK3. They're ok in Victoria 3.
EU5 just seems weird to have them considering you don't play the character and they serve no real purpose.
@@prestonjones1653They look like absolute dogshit in vic3 lmao
Yep here we go again. Literally nobody asked for this in CK3 or Vic3 but they roll out these super cheesy looking 3D models that are only good for slowing down game performance.
I agree.
It's the difference between timeless and dated it seems.
The new "art" seems to severely date the game already.
I'd prefer a more timeless aesthetic.
Don't know if that makes sense, but that's my take.
Look at HoMM3 vs modern releases. You are absolutely correct that the stylised graphics are timeless. Hell, look at HoMM5 the portraits and other 2D art by Olivier Ledroit is immaculate.
I feel like, as with vicky 3, the 3d characters are distracting and make the game(s) look very dated. So far it has only really worked decently well in ck3, imo, maybe because the characters are the focus of that game.
I totally agree regarding the 3d characters. They are uncanny and immersion-breaking.
100% agree, I like the CK2 portraits more than the CK3 ones
In the end they will make it like CK3. 500 years of gameplay, 5 poses your character can take. Everything is half-assed these days at Paradox.
I honestly think CK3 did 3D characters well. Victoria 3 on the other hand...
they really should have opted for character portraits in the style of the time the game is set in.
To simplify: Salic law bars women from the throne completely.
Semi-Salic allows inheritance to pass to a woman's sons, though she herself would not rule
I don't get why they keep pushing the 3d characters stuff, it always looks ugly and immersion breaking, like something from a mobile game. It feels like something that's being enforced by the management.
I don't mind it in CK3 where the implementation is pretty good.
YOUR HEIR HAS BEEN LOBOTOMIZED
Imagine a lobotomize heir CB
Lobotomy-only EU5 world conquest when???
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The comicslly large table and the editing is gold. I really need to see the bloopers at the end of the video 😭😭
WHAT IF SOMEONE GOT A LOBOTOMY? WHAT IF THEY'RE 80 80 80 THEN BOOM LOBOTOMY. WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?
@@Zquirrelthing I DEMAND A LOBOTOMY!
2:56 Actually, Poland wasn't in a war with anybody at the time. In fact, Poland had a truce with Bohemia. So... there is a lot to change here.
Tons of smaller and bigger mistakes in general. The terrain map model shows Southern Polish highlands and mountains as flatlands. Same with Pokutia and Moldavia.
The cultural map mode is also concerning. I can't figure out why Silesian culture is a thing. If the start date was set a century later then fine I can see it. But at this point, Silesia would be primarily Polish. Prussians/Pruthenians showed as "Western Baltic" seems almost offensive. All of the Pomerenians portrayed as Kashubians is also... iffy.
Yeah, the war ended in 1332. Not sure what Paradox is thing there. I guess someone at the HQ just hates Poland. Because they are going to get their asscheecks clapped, historically speaking.
But I am not complaining, since it makes Bohemia start even stronger.
"Prussians/Pruthenians showed as "Western Baltic" seems almost offensive." What do you mean by that? Prussians were baltic people..
@@IgnasV That's what I mean. Paradox decided to give the name "Prussian" to German settlers while the original Prussians aren't even called Pruthenians but a generic "Western Baltic".
@@Velesus101 Oh damn, I did not watch the entire video just skimmed it, I did not think they were that retarded..
Table not long enough, disappointment and pain.
cant wait to be watching eu5 a to z and redhawk has the inevitable anime portraits mod
I still can't believe they added my city as a state on EU5... the time has come to conquer the world with a country of less than 6000 inhabitants
I hate to say it but I absolutely hate the map colors. I cannot imagine looking at it for hours. I want BLUE water, not washed out jeans colored water. I don't want countries that look like some kid ate a box of crayons and puked them out over a map. Do the devs even look at EU4 and what makes it popular? Did they ask anyone?
I agree with your art comments. Damn, just look at the image they have above TInto Talks 16 and just imagine a character portrait in that style, image wise being like what the rulers did in that time (make a portrait of themselves) with that kind of art...that would be so cool!
Not every game has to have a 3d render of the ruler _paradox_ , the transition from 2d art to 3d models has really taken the soul out of some paradox games, Vic 3, CK3 and now eu4. It really is alarming.
So far I've liked the mechanics and systems, but, let's be open and honest, although they're still working on the graphic aspect of the game, so far, it looks hideous, the map is way too dark and depressing (why Paradox hates the Imperator Rome style so much???), tooltips have no contrast at all with that blueish-greenish background and the grey text, and now those 3D characters look straight out of a knock off version of Civilization V, what's going on?? My initial fear was the game becoming unbearably slow by the 1750s, this just confirms it, we don't need another useless thing that will make the game heavier to run
(also, unrelated comment, why the 12th century English kings look like Jacobin kings?)
Thankfully aesthetics tend to be the easiest things to fix with mods.
Although I would hold off on judging the UI and aesthetics too much. They are very much WIP and tend to be the last few things that get finalised. The game isn't coming out for at least another year and a half after all
Of course you should leave your feedback on the forums as long as it's constructive
bahahahahahhah 😂 whats laith foing with the andrew tate hand pose
Doing*, excuse the embarassing typo
@@sciolist3109you’re excused
I don't think your opinion is all that controversial, considering like half the comments in the first page alone were about either asking for a 2d option, complaining about the existence of 3rd characters, or a combination of both.
Imagine the poor 3d artists crying after they hear Hawk savagely roasting their weeks of work. That being said, I'd rather not having character portraits at all too.
It feels less weeks of work and rather a asset flip
@@itriedtochangemynamebutitd5019 they are the ck3 portraits but more half-assed and with less graphical options
Every single thing they present solidifies my opinion on the necessary PC specs to play this game at all 😂 I wish to be wrong I really wish to be wrong but the amount of things game will have to do at once is huge. The other thing is that those rulers are freaking creepy. I know it's not CK3 where we play the ruler, not a country directly, but I'm not fond of these character ideas.
Ah yes another game with laggy 3D models so they can sell more cosmetic DLCs instead of good features
Stellarification
There isn’t any Junior or senior partner in a PU now. Both nations are in an International Organization led by a unique character. 😊
Shouldn’t they be led by the same character? Also, that doesn’t sound like how a personal union should go. At best, it sounds like a “real union”.
@@youthoughtaboutit6946 When you PU Bohemia as Austria or Austria as Bohemia it is theoretically the same in the real world. Both countries are ruled by one guy, in the game the difference is, you play one nation and it feels like you take over the other.
@@3komma141592653 so sort of like with Scotland and England historically then? It’s in reverse, yeah, but it’s doubtless that Scotland effectively become a standard “junior partner” after the personal union happened, even before the acts of union.
@youthoughtaboutit6946 it could be that English isn't thier first language: in romance languages "un unico" means "just one", but it is a false friend as unique in English means particular
It feels too much like CK3 at this point...
I mean, it starts halfway into CK3.
Nobody needs those 3D portraits... really first thing i don´t like either.
very avant garde intro, i liked it :)
the characters seem a bit much. i like in depth dynastics, but europa universalis is supposed to be dehumanising, i mean come on. i'm sure there will be a mod to remove the 3d models (although we are really at the point of hoping for mods for an unreleased game)
that intro was painful... do it again😏
I just don't get the point of this shit. I don't need nor want to see my character
I wish they just used paintings to represent the characters
shame they cant get some artists to do modular character portraits again :/
I really don't like how it looks overall. I looks drab.
10:57 "I don't play eu4 or I'm not that big of a nerd."
Excuse me?
You guys must have some long arms
It looks so cheap
Ahh. Yes, the 31th of may.
I like the 3d character models that move and interact.
Gotta love crusader victoria kings 4 - stellaris edition. This game is shit so far
**I** rule my nation in EU, not these weird 3d characters! It worked in CK3 because CK2 already had character portraits, and CK3 was focused on the rulers anyway. EU4 should be the LAST Paradox game to need ruler portraits, much less 3d ones that will make the engine slow to a crawl once you discover the HRE.
Even if they look cheap I would rather have the portraits than not have them