DAIWA or SHIMANO reel? Deal breaker!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 มิ.ย. 2020
- In this episode you observe a talk about spinning reel features which you will not find in manufacturers specifications.
Reel's characteristics explained:
-Power transmission
-Handle tightness
-Drag performance
-Bail action
Reels compared:
-Daiwa Fuego LT 17
-Daiwa Ballistic LT 17
-Shimano Stradic FB CI4+
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I spooled it with 8 LB test mono for lighter lures, gave it some practice casts and found that it did cast well th-cam.com/users/postUgkxSlytCJqozTF7EbdP4LWP-HUXf9WRDJ0e , except that the anti-backlash setting had to be turned up almost all of the way to keep the "overcasts' ' down. I disassembled it, and found that if I potted some "shim washers" behind that anti-backlash magnet assembly, it got the magnets closer to the spool without rubbing, and I could get better control with about a 6 to 7 out out 10-Max setting. I also noticed that the handle shaft had some internal end play, maybe only 2 or 3 thousands of an inch, but it's still noticeable. If the anti-backlash and shaft tolerances were "tightened up" this would be a fantastic value. I've only used it for 4 days of fishing in a month's time, but I plan on keeping it.
being a carper i like the bail arm click, it feels good to know its locked open and wont close while bunging a 4oz lead 140 yards, while i wouldnt be doing that with this little reel it still stands
Fair enough. Still that click is not needed as you have to force the bail until it gets stopped anyway 👌👌
Being a match angler, when I bend a carp angler over and hear that click, it's good to know I have broken their back and they will never walk again.
Great video! I don’t mind the click and thin bail arm for reasons people say below, but I really appreciate this sort of ‘real world practical’ review. I’d like to own a stradic and a ballistic and test them out over a few years, or just enjoy both. I don’t think it has to be as black and white as being a shimano or Daiwa person
Thanks.
Surely both reels will catch fish!
For me though, it's almost "white" for Daiwas. I am more used to them and seems can't get used to Shimanos because of the reasons I stated in the video. I am sure I will try odd Shimano along the way with removed clicker (and possibly 500 size reel where that thin bail may feel great).
Cheers
Took my brand new Battle II 5000 for a spin yesterday for the very first time and I hooked a 20lb yellowtail using a Ugly Stik X2 (medium hard) rod th-cam.com/users/postUgkxM68VkfsQhHaabDce1IwOCXuvumcpbZ_k . This combo was recommended on some website and it did not disappoint me. The reel is smooth, the drag click is pretty cool cause i think it adds to the excitement of fighting the fish, personally the drag is my favorite part. I use braid and 300 yards will fill the entire spool. This combo is my main setup from now on although I have to disclose I am new to fishing.
I love that "clik" feedback on ci4+.. its like music to my ears...
Btw... you need to try 2020 CERTATE... oh man... power transmission is even lighter than ci4+...
I just find your channel and I like it a lot... keep it up 👍
Thanks for the tip!
Hm, I probably like different kind of music, like more silent. Actually quite often I can hear my mate's Stradic's bail sound even when I am fishing good 20-30 m. away. Can't escape it 😂
Yes the 19 Certate LT especially the 5000D is the smoothest reel I have ever used. That means 3 different Stella gens and all but the current Saltiga. My bet is the 21/22 Saltiga is going to be a level above even the Stella. The Stella us equalnto the Catalina replacement the 21 Certate sw.
I hear what your saying Andrew. And I beleive a lot of my other reels, including the Shimano Ci4 2500 does the same but to a lesser noise extent.
Personally I'd rather have a decent gearing/clutch drag system on a reel and smooth turning of the handle every time over a noisy bale arm.
I agree that the bale arm on these smaller reels should be less bulky, and thinner gauge. But it's Shimano for me every time.😉👍
Thanks for the info 👌
It’s funny, because for me the bail of a Daiwa reel is not refined and I find it too rough! That’s one of the reasons why I prefer Shimano reels, even if I have both brands. May be I’m not neutral, but I love my Stradic FL, Sustain FI and Rarenium Ci4 they rock!
Btw, I like your videos and thanks from France ✌️
Right on. It's all about individual perception. I had a couple Rareniums - superb reels really; smooth and powerfull. Still got rid of the them because of the bails 👍
Greetings back to France 👌
Shimano us most refined. Penns,Dawais had all brands had four Ds tossed in trash all Japan made 80's. Shimano s all running
Same here... And SHIMANO's entry level and mid-range spinning reels are so straight forward- they are incredibly easy to service without worrying about all the bells n whistles like OKUMA i.e. Geez dude... That oval shaped drive gear causes major issues when it comes to reassembling- lining it up with the main gear...
Team Shimano here! 🙋♂️🙆♂️
I have a Shimano stradic and it's fantastic but a big pain in the butt to service in the off season. A lot of little parts and very complicated compared to daiwa and penn
I always passed the Diawa section I never knew how good they were
Daiwas are good as are Shimanos. This video is about sharing my point of view 👌
I use a daiwa excelor on my trout set up, and it's a beast for 80 bucks
@@AndrewsKnots its like Ferrari v Lamborghini, or BMW v Audi. Personal preference really. But having owned Stella's, certates, exists, sols, stradic. Fk,fl, and ci4 the best reel ever fir me was the certate
@@joedennehy386 are you saying, if hypothetically say steering wheel for BMW would have a click sound before reaching max position and wheel itself would be thin, people wouldn't want to know that before buyint it? But yes, it's all about personal choice therefore I oulined common issues/features each has. 👌
hey andrew there is a reason the bails are thin on the stradic. the lighter bail decrease shock load when the bail snaps shut. reducing wear to the joints, and drive train. (i close my bail manually (90%) of the time for this reason, also to feather my line to control my cast to where i want it to land). it also allows for a lighter bail spring. when the bail needs to accelerate closed, less mass equals less inertia for the spring to have to overcome and get the bail traveling quick to close.
Hey,
See, I don't think that Shimano thin bails are lighter as Daiwa AIR bails are hollow. I just know one thing that Shimano thin ones do feel flimsy and combined with that crack sound when opening, it equals to poor feel of the product.
Daiwa bails feels much stronger and it would confirm the "materials physics" rule where hollow strip is stronger than solid one made from the same material and similar diameter (hollow one will be ligther as well).
Cheers
@@AndrewsKnots True but the hollow ones are more prone to dents and the wall may easier be cut by the line, so there are pros and cons in my opinion and if those Daiwa bails are made of aluminium, then they realy are more prone to breakage of itself and of the line, since softer materials are more adherent and thus develop greater wear and heat.
I don't have any of the aforementioned reels from any of those two companies but instead i own a heavy and full stainless steel train reel.
Do you know if the Daiwa Ballistic has the minebea bearings like the BG has? I am about to get a ballistic and I agree with you after using shimano xtc ci4+ for years and getting to use a friends BG I have switched to daiwa. They are better built and smoother bearings and better gears.
I won't be able to answer this 😒
Thank you for an amazing video! Could you tell me, does the Daiwa LT’s size 2500 match the Shimano ones? I have 3 Fuegos now myslef, but I bought a 2.25 5-15g rod for perch and trout with bigger lures, but the 2500 size Fuego feels a bit small and 3000C size seems unrational for those species and thinking about Shimano now. As you’ve had your hands on both reels, maybe you could advise me? 😄
Thanks in advance!
As far as I remember Shimano 2500 has a bit bigger spool as well as the reel itself is a bit bigger. But in my opinion actual size of the reel does not matter too much. It's the weight what is the key for getting a good balance. ✌
I have a video for that.
@@AndrewsKnots Thank you a lot for your answer! It’s a very good video about the balance! Keep doing amazing content! 👍
I love the click! I fish for walleye at night and I keep my light off and when it clicks I know nothing’s tangled and I’m ready to cast! Because I literally can’t see shit!!
Fair enough. I don't have any problems with you loving that click. Still it's not needed as the bail can go as far psychically until it gets stoped no matter if there is a click or not. Once bail can't go any further, it's a good indication, that bail is open and you can cast. 😎
@@AndrewsKnots the click is a lock most people here don't realize that. The fuego will get weak and I already had 2 customers complain that it closes mid cast. Shimano thinks about every detail and this is why the fuego is garbage if you put alot of hours in your fishing. Not to mention they sound like a broken car as the shimano is consistently smooth long past the life of a fuego
@@josephgarcia1575 this isnt even constructive, you are just bashing it now. Like a little girl
@@ricka1221 can't talk right now I'm actually fishing not at a desk
@@josephgarcia1575 Fanboii alert!
Shimano put the extra bail components to make sure the bail does not close while casting lures. Clunky sounding but for a reason. Best reel is gonna depend on what you fish for. Personally (Penn) makes reels that hold up and have serious drag power. The Penn Slammer III works for me, here's why. You can take a saltwater reel to freshwater but a freshwater reel in salt means trouble. Penn has excellent true IP rated seals vs a grease layer or other gimmicks some use . I fish more saltwater but also do 4-5 sturgeon trips in the California Delta so the Slammer lll
is perfect. The slammer comes in many sizes as well .
I don't think I ever had Daiwa close up on the cast. It's the spring which holds the bail in closed or open position.. This video wasn't too say, that Shimanos are bad reels. Just bails are out-dated, in my opinion.
In any case, you are 100% right saying that different fishing styles may require different reel. Also about saltwater/freshwater reels - the better sealing you can get the longer the reel will last! ✌
@@AndrewsKnots Yep! actually helped a friend take apart a C-14 post a 50lb bat ray smoking the reel. Shimano at 1 holland drive Irvine CA are very friendly service advisors and had parts. I did the work because they were a bit backed up. The C-14 had some wear which I felt the reel should of been able to handle. Shimano has been very nice with old reels like a 3500B bait runner circa 1984 and they actually gave me parts for free from their library of stored parts. I also use a parents Stella when chasing Bluefin tuna and its awesome but it also costed 1250 and needs a 200 dollar service periodically.
Price and power wise for the money: (Penn Slammer lll 10500 under $300 on sale and cheaper on blowout sales.)
Penn built this Slammer lll reel and it absolutely deserved the ICAST awards it won. Great heavy bail with no line roller issues. No line cutting into the bail housing assembly. Line stays on the roller and wont slip off. The 10500 Slammer lll handles 540 yards of 80lb braid and has 60 lbs of drag. Is it extreme? vs a angry monster that refuses to come off the bottom LOL!!! NO,recently this reel was put against a giant freshwater sting ray, a Fraser River B.C Sturgeon both close to 1000 lbs and the slammer won. A kid in Florida used the slammer lll 10500 to do a catch and release on a massive 650lb grouper that actually pulled the kid in the water, went for a swim, recovered,and still landed the grouper for a picture.
Whats interesting as well is that a number of reel raters doing PROS and cons called the reel to Expensive but did not say to expensive on the Twin turbo or Stella from Shimano?
the twin turbo running around $500 and the Stella a whopping 1250 plus. Value wise gotta go with the Penn Slammer lll 's which have caught a number of big big fish and have not failed under pressure.
Most anglers I know love that click sound including me. I’m surprised that’s actually a con... When I buy a reel I look for that clicky sound. When it’s silent I think it’s broken or cheap.
Fair enough.
In any case, that crack sound is not needed (as in does not have functional sense) as bail is stoped shortly after crack sound and can't go any further. It's just my opinion after using both Daiwas and Shimanos and I don't have any problems with people liking that sound 👌
Agreed. I actually returned my first 2 daiwa reels thinking they were broken. Now i kept one, but never again.
I agree I guess to each their own but I immediately didn’t buy a couple reels solely because it doesn’t have the bail feedback that gives confident when doing multiple casts
Yeah I was wondering why this was a con?!?! I think 90% of people like the click sound from opening the bail.
@@AndrewsKnots that sound in my opinion is most likely to help in low light situations so you can hear what you can't see. Therefore ensuring you have it fully opened and ready.
I believe there is a little plastic piece in the rotor arm under the line roller side that you can remove to get rid of that sound.
I know its in the smaller stradics, not sure about the bigger ones.
Tight lines!
I am almost certain you are right (even though I haven't checked say on any Stradics). On Vanford 500 it has that little spring loaded piece of PTFE. Once it's gone, half of the problem is gone with it as well. Thin bail is not as easy to deal with though.
Thanks
Man not to hate on your video, I love how informative it was but I feel your arguements were made fully on personal preference. Even pros who don’t normally run shimano, run the Stradics at smallmouth tournaments (Lake Erie).
Yes, spot on. Only personal preference with explanation why!
Shimanos are great reels just have a few things, which bug me but are liked by others. And I am fine with that 👍
Cheers
Andrew would you buy Daiwa tdr at £190 or Daiwa tdm at £130, I’m unsure of the differences and non of my local shops stock them
I have Shimano Soare 500s CI4+ and it is a sweet little reel for what it does. What strikes me is that my reel has a smooth but toughish handle rotation which is surprising for a small reel. And it has been like that out of the box. It actually gets lighter after some use especially in warm weather. Any idea if it is a defect or a feature of this reel? I don’t have vast experience wish Shimano, more a Daiwa guy myself but Daiwa doesn’t seem to have a lot of choice in 500-1000 range. Any thoughts? Thanks!
Maybe some incorrect grease used, which stiffens it when cool BUT that's very long shot.. Daiwa released Luvias 2020 which is light at 150 g./1000 size.
Nice video mate. I just got Daiwa Ninja mach&feeder reel yesterday for my feeder. Now Im looking to upgrade my spinning reels too. I guess I go for Daiwa as well. What Daiwa reel would you recommend for woblers twitching? My spinning is 2.1m and 8g-28g. Price up to or around £100. At the moment I have reel from Ali 'Kastking sharky III'.
Nice 👍
Don't know what rod you have BUT the balance is the key for MH lure setup. I would say try on FUEGO LT 3000 or 4000.
2500 or 3000 LT. 4000 is for lures over 25 grams to cast with. Mark my words. 😊
Very good video, thumbs up and subscribed. I am having a hard time finding this info but do you think a Daiwa Ballistic LT 5000 that weighs 8.1 oz and has a line capacity of Mono(lb/yd): 16/250, 20/195, 25/140 would be a good fit for a 9ft Medium Bass Pro ocean master thats 15-30 lbs.
1 - 3 oz. or should I go up in size to a 6000 Ballistic thats 11.1oz Mono 20/270
25/225 30/160.
Can't comment on exact line capacities on those reels. The fishing I do requires less than 100 m. of line on the spool. 👌
Sounds like you're doing some surf fishing. For the price i would highly recommend the Daiwa Saltist. I have one and it's a powerful workhorse.
But what about Daiwa Fuego flexing. I was looking to buy one, but found quite a lot of negative comments. It seem to be flexing at the handle and at the top of the frame when hooking anything a bit bigger. Is it true?
I haven't noticed any bending/flexing by the handle in normal fishing situations. I don't fish for Sharks, Tuna or other big species. For Perch, Pike, Zander and similar species - it's easy good enough.
I have landed over 50 salmon over 20#s on the Fuego. I havent had them flex on me.
btw vanford and ballistic lt , which one i should chose for bass fishing and breamfishing? thank you
Both very good. Depends on you personal taste 👍
Great videos, I have both good reels if you have ever time, could you do a video on how to service reels.
Great suggestion! 👌
Hey
I agree. I would prefer to service my own reels. I dont mind paying to have it serviced, but it's the wait to have it serviced. So would really appreciate if you could do a reel servicing
Video.👍
I bought Shimano Stradic 4000 FL and after one fishing it was loose and clicking sound near the handle. They changed me another one, after 4 months is looking ok. Also I have Fuego 4000 and Caldia 2500. And I like Daiwa more.
Good to know!
Yeah, I can't force myself to use Shimano, if I have option to use Daiwa 👌
the same ge
ar ratio?
Learned so much … thanks for great information - much appreciated!
Cheers.
You missed the most important point. The Daiwa "Twistbuster", is the only line roller design that really works.
I have to agree with you there... I've noticed that DAIWA's line rollers never seem to fail come bush or bearing wheras I sadly must say, that SHIMANO's entry-levil and mid-tange reels' line rollers are keen to fail rather quickly even if serviced regularly - that little ridge in the roller which is part of their line managing system causes damage to braid after a while...
Great Video! I used Stradics from the 90s and mid 2000s. I switched over to Pflueger Presidents cause of the price and they really hold up. I picked up a Daiwa Fuego LT 2500D and a Ballistic 3000D because I really like Daiwas line capacity. I fish for salmon and trout then dabble with Pike, Bass and Walleye. A month ago I picked up a Stradic ci4 on sale for $150usd.
I havent used my Pfluegers since I got my Fuegos and Ballistics. I now own 2 of each. I used the Stradic for about 20 casts. Its smooth but I HATED the bail click and how the spool didn't move after you open it like daiwa and other reels. I also didn't care for their style of the T-Bar handle. Its thinner and didnt feel right when reeling in a 3/4oz spoon. I am selling my stradic to get another Ballistic. They are by far the better reel. I just want to upgrade all that I can to the reels to get peak performance out of them. I have salmon that rip off 200 yards of 20# Braid on a run. I Want my drags to last! What all do you recommend upgrading?
Plus the weight of Daiwa reels and the smaller body that still gives it a beefy look is what I like a lot about Daiwas.
Yes, I prefer Daiwas as well. As for the drag, try out carbon washers as explained here th-cam.com/video/uKNSmExPMUQ/w-d-xo.html
Cheers
@@AndrewsKnots oh man I am going to do this to about 10+ reels! Quick question, will the washers on 2000-4000 Ballistic be the same or no? Think it wouldn't right? I have the 3000D and 4000
I have 2000, 2500 and 4000 Fuegos and Ballistic 2000. All take the same size washers..
So, I would believe all LT reels to this date use the size as per video..
@@AndrewsKnots ty for responding! I Appreciate someone who helps the way you do by actually responding to people! Enjoy your day! Tight lines!
I love my Shimano ci4's but damit now I'm only going to focus on that sound. Shimano has a new spinning reel for 2020 it's the Vanford . can't wait to hear more about it.
Yes, Vanford has even 500 size, which I could see where to use... Smaller diameter bail possibly would feel less cheap for me but still I need to figure out if that sound really can be removed! 👌
Easily removed, there is a little spring and button inside the one of the bail ends where it connects to the rotor, look at the parts breakdown.
When I open my bail arm and cast, I’m not thinking about the sound my reel is making, I’m thinking about nailing my cast and getting in the strike zone. Maybe just me but I feel like worrying about the click of the bail arm means you might not be focussing on the ‘’main thing”, which is catching fish. Also, like others have said, I like the feedback and reassurance it is in position. Means I can keep my eyes on the water and not on my reel. I love how divisive this topic is haha
@@dtc7191 Ikr its strange to me, that people are bothered by the click. Hes not just bothered he seems really pissed about it 😂
Daiwa is bullshit....
I have stradic 16 2500 and exceler lt 2000, love both, but prefer shimano...stradic has a bigger play in main pair because it has the worm shaft
Fair enough. My Stradics ended up on ebay. 👌
@@AndrewsKnots and you will get 2 fuego?))))))
At this point I will order one more at 4000 ✌
It is very rare to find the perfect reel, it is usually a trade off between how many things you like about the reel vs things you do not like. I have 2 Shimano 4000OC reels, I didn’t really like them to begin with, but over time I have grown to like them very much when I realised that they are very strong and do everything I expect from a reel.
I have both ,both great. I like the spring click noise and feel of shimano. like the bail better aswell and I have the new certate as well. Both of mine are Equal play in handle.my new fl stradic is as good as the certate and better line lay on stradic as well. Thin bail is good. Daiwa bail open feels cheep.
Thanks for sharing!
Yes, as you say, personal preference is the key here as both sides make great reels! ✌
I wouldn't switch of my Daiwas to Shimanos but I admit that never Shimanos (like Stradic FL) has a bit nicer bail sound (still thin) and less handle wobble. 👌
I don't know why there is wobble in the handle. Is the side bearing in it stuffed? Mine are solid in that area, about equal to the Daiwa. Make sure the screws are firm on the side plate.
My kind of deal braker was actually magsealed main shaft on daiwas which makes the reel harder to service.
Yes, that can be the issue BUT I believe it still can be done (I haven't done that myself). Possibly it should work and servicing should needed less often because of Magsealed. 👍
You can send them into daiwa to get serviced as well.
When you compare apples for apples, the stradic fl or vanford with the freams, or Sol or kix the drags are all 10kgs. More than enough
This video is about oulining the problems each brand has. Not a comparison.
I agree 100 percent. The only thing I like about the shimanos is the line lay is bit better, but that bailwire is just annoying.
Yep, very true 👌
I agree with all your points, my experience with your bail comments is the opposite ..... that clicking sound guarantees the shimano stays open, while me & others find the daiwa bails sometimes close mid cast
Whatever works. Personally never had Daiwa (or any other) to open on the cast..
While I agree with you about the shimano reel being thin, it reduces rotating mass which is why the start up spin is easier. It's also probably why the daiwas have better spinning momentum. More weight to keep it spinning.
Considering modern angling expects reel to last 2 to maximum 5 seasons (planned obsolescence), lightweight might be a way to go. I, however prefer heavy duty, rugged and somewhat heavy PENN reels.
@LightspeedTutorials
I’m guessing you fish bait?
The opening click is exactly why i only own 2 daiwa reels. When i taught my daughter to fish, i told her to open bail until it clicks. My okuma and pfleuger both have click open bails.
Yes, agreed. For learning purposes, click might be useful as sidewheels for the bicycle. 👌
@@AndrewsKnots not if other reels don't have them. I feel like it makes my daiwa reels feel cheap without the click
Great Video.. I dont like my Shimano Nasci. Its Bail broke down within a month of fishing..i have to repair it..Now ok but i cant trust it any more
Sorry to hear that. Probably some faulty item and as it's fixed now, you will you use it for years, I believe. ✌
The only thing that bothers me about Daiwas is their screw in handles, if you don't tighten it a bit harder it will unscrew itself on a light tap. Other than that I have no complains Im not a Shimano or daiwa guy I own multiple of both brands and love em equally. Vid was awsome, keep up with the good work and fish on.
Thanks for the info. Cheers.
When you operate the reel the handle gets tighter. A screw in handle is used by all the higher end spinning reels as it allows a more secure connection with less movement of the handle in relation to the body once secured.
Hi, can you try putting a handle from 2500 fuego to 2000 fuego? I want to replace handle of my exceler 2000 to handle of fuego, but fuego's handle 2000 size is not in stock..only 2500.
Fuego 2500 handle goes ok on Fuego 2000. 👌
@@AndrewsKnots thank you!
What do you think about Abu garcia revo 2 mgxtreme 20 sp?? I'm thinking buying a present for my self :)
Don't have, so, won't be able to comment. Some time ago I had a look at some Abu reel and it looked like a quality piece of kit 👍
Ps.
If tomorrow I have to go to MARS or VENUS... and I only allow to take one reel from all my expensive and no expensive reels arsenal... I take DAIWA BG2500...
Interesting. Never had one in my hands but heard good things about them! ✌
I would say Daiwa seal is pretty bad except on Certate and Exist. I open my friend Daiwa spinning reel and the condition is the same as what Tackle Advisor shown, rust on the gear box
I won't comment to much on your problem as this video wasn't about that..
All I know, that I have a few old Daiwas and they received good hammering over the years but still going strong. Would Shimanos would have survived - I hope so. But it's impossible to say as there is no way for one person to use two reels exactly the same amount in exactly the same situations..
Both brands make great reels hence it's just about personal preference.
Are the Daiwa Ninja Reels good and can I upgrade? Or should I spend that bit more money on the Fuego?
Both good. I would choose Fuego because of the better bail.
@@AndrewsKnots can you upgrade the drag on daiwa ninja?
Hi guys!
I my self are Daiwa guy but now knowing that Shimano have more wobble in handle making me even more Daiwa guy!
Hi,
I can't say if all Shimano's has that wobble of the handle. For me it's more the bail which is not right.
Starting from this year shimano will use one-piece handle on middle end reel instead of jointed handle like stradic ci4+ where the joint become loose and wobbly. I'm right now using the stradic fl and I'm confident to say that it's more rigid now and no such thing as wobble in any part of the reel. My opinion might be biased since I'm shimano guy but you can test it out at your nearest tackle store.
What is the maximum casting distance for waggler fishing?Pls advice from your own long distance angling experience.
P. S. I am gonna feeding with spomb, cobra or other carp fishing tackles)). For fish bite- binocular fishing glasses. 20 gramms cralusso rocket float and 17 ft rod with 10-35 grams test.
Can't see the reason to float fish further than 50 m.
What about Quantum Throttle II Spinning Reel? I’m looking for my first setup and I want a decent build. I understand under $100 you’re not getting complete refinement but if I can go to Dick’s Sporting or even Walmart and get something I can learn on and that will have some lasting build quality I want something in the $50-$75 range. I know nothing about fishing but I know Shimano makes great moving (bicycle gears) products. Also being made in Japan is a huge sell point for me. Japanese quality is up there with German and dare I say they are the best overall quality in the world generally speaking. I’m sure there are $500-$2000 reels that are much better but within that price point of $50-$75 I want something that is ready out of the box to use. If I like fishing I will most definitely upgrade and try another brand. But for a one and done setup is it worth getting Shimano over a Quantum Throttle 2 setup… and as my first river/lake bank fishing setup what is the ideal size 7ft or 8/ft? Sorry for the rant this is becoming a small novel…
Can't comment should be decent though.
Good video. I agree, the Shimano bail click sounds cheap. I also think the Daiwa bails close with a higher quality feel and sound. I own both brands, but prefer the Daiwas. It seems like many of the Shimanos I purchase, all seem smooth out of the box. After a few weeks of fishing them, I always feel some kind of grindiness that pisses me off. Hagane gear or not, I get less smoothness after a few big fish.
Thanks for sharing.
I had Shimano Saharas and at 1st I loved them, but my bails actually deformed on them and they weren’t open and closing properly and the bail spring was sloppy. I do not like the thin bail wire, especially. I replaced the Saharas with Daiwa Excelors and I’m very happy with those.
Agree. Shimanos are really nice reels just that thin bail for me is a no no (even though I never had problems with it; just feels flimsy).
Why is your bail being stressed or bent?
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I will gladly take a this stainless one piece wire over hollow aluminum. I still can't figure out why everyone but Shimano had started doing that. That fat ugly bale wire is why I dropped Penn for Shimano in saltwater. The "click" is reassuring, when you hear that you know you can cast hard and not have a bale flippy lost lure. But I guess for trout or perch what does it even matter.
Re " I still can't figure out why everyone but Shimano had started doing that." - probably because it feels more refined and easier to work with. I don't have any problems with people liking Shimanos as in this video I stated my opinion 👌
This is kind of like Honda vs Toyota. At the end of the day, both companies build a fantastic and reliable product.
Very very true! This video for people who want to upgrade from Tata..
Toyota > honda
the biggest issue i hv is the handle play in shimano. bail i can live with. but i still like shimano reel its just i wish they improve the handle play. i like both shimano and daiwa.
Yes, Shimano and Daiwa are best reels probably. At least for what I do. ✌
Another great Japanese brand of reel is Okuma. I have the Okuma Helios which is a superb reel
Yes, Okumas are great.
I can't use the click less Diawas. They lack the certainty that the bail has finished its travel and I always try to force them to go further. I know if I get one, I will end up breaking it.
Fair enough. I personally feel pretty confident that bail is open when it can't go any further. 👌
the bail make noise on opening so you will know you opened it enough and its safe to cast.. its actually smart.. also a thinner lighter bail arm is much smarter.. less weight and if it bents you can bent it back.. smart design
daiwas bail system i quiet terrible, also line management system is worse.. there is no grove in the line roller for the line, also i never had a fault cast with shimano, but with daiwa i had a lot
Well, if you don't mind, I would make one alteration to what you said: I would replace words 'smart' with 'stupid'. That's just my opinion and also don't think that SHimano's wire bails are lighter that Daiwa's hollow ones. No offense. 👌
Obviously you have/use/are happy with Shimanos - that's fine with me but there will be people who will be buying one of these, so, I hope this video will help them to decide either way.
Cheers
I also like the click. Inspires confidents. You can almost feel a small retention will you pass that point.
Fair enough.
Still that click is not needed as the bail can't go any further once fully opened. 👍
The click tells you if you go to cast if closes before you cast you can stop and reopen the bail before you lose your lure by snaping it off .
Whatever works. I know that I opened the bail once it can't go further and no crack sound is needed.
i have a daiwa fuego 5000, the thing i hate the most is the roller system, is on bushings and if you use nylon will see after the use how it consume the nylon... a ballbearing will be nice, but with the small 6mm bearings don't last long... buying a modified roller could fix the problem... for that point of wiev shimano is maybe better... but i've tryed the alcedo carbon made in italy, 9 bearings... a whole oter feel and lightness in use.
Thanks for sharing.
i like when my bail clicks or snaps when i open it to cast. it gives me confidence the bail won't close in the middle of a cast.
A decent fisherman doesn't need a click to know his bail arm is open when casting ... 100% confidence in daiwa products
Thankyou for this comparison.
I moved on from Shimano to Daiwa Certate. Its an amazing reel.
Good choice! ✌
Thank you for great videos. I would like to ask for a recommendation, I am eyeing Daiwa fuegos as my next purchase for feeder fishing, but I am not sure which size should I be getting. I am planning to use it on 3.9m 90g feeder rod. Any tips?
5000 or 6000 size. Just in my opinion Fuego LT's are not the best for feeder work:
-Poor quality/not suitable line clip
-For heavier feeder work it's better to use reel with lower gear ratio
@@AndrewsKnotsThank you, any particular reel in mind for this price range?
Daiwa eliminator
06:44 are you serious :) everybody loves that. unfortunately, Daiwa doesn't have that sound and sometimes you think it was opened but it is actually not. It is better to hear that sound and you can be sure that the bail won't be closed during the cast.
Shimano people do love that sound, I am aware of that. But also I know a few, who actually removed that clicker as well.
In any case, crack sound does not have a function as bail stops (and can't go any furher) just after the crack.
For example, that crack is needed on Shimano reels as much as if that crack would be needed on cars just before the steering wheel is fully spun to one or other direction to tell the driver that "wheels are at max. angle"..
All in all, if there is a mechanical stop and the moving part can't go any further, why complicate it with crazy sound effects? :)
@@AndrewsKnots :) thanks Andrew, I tried to explain why we, novice, anglers need that sound. I just can't be sure that if it is all the way open or not. I lost many lures because of Daiwa's weak bail system, may be it is not Daiwa's fault, it may my bad :) But I know pro anglers having the same issues time to time. when you are at the field, because of the excitement, anybody can be sloppy a little bit :)
Either are excellent choices.
Agree. Both has their issues, so, it comes to personal taste ✌
interesting opinion that you don't like the click, ive seen a lot of people shy away from daiwa because the lack of a click. i'm personally impartial as i use both company's reels. great review!
Fair enough.
I used to use both therefore I put this little video together ✌
Guys which reel would you go for? Shimano catana FD or daiwa ninja LT? Size 1000 both.
On both of my Daiwa ninja reels I find that the bail arm is to soft and bends too easily. Also the line gets trapped under the spool. They look nice and are smooth, but I do think they are a case of form over function. (sadly)
This video was about 'mid-range' reels. Ninja is below that.
@@AndrewsKnots do they suffer from the same problems? Or is it a case of you get what you pay for?
Daiwa has alot more offerings in their LT range then Shimano, I have the Revros LT the Exceler and the Tatula and their all equally as smooth and strong, just suttle differences in refinement. I just bought a vanford to give Shimano a try and so far I like it. I still think my Tatula has a more refined feel tho.
Re Daiwa having lots of different ones to choose from - it's a bit annoying really as seems they introduce new name every couple months..
Totally agree, re Tatula. It's the same as Ballistic minus MagSeal, I believe, which is awesome reel!
Ya, a new product every $6....
You kiddin me? I like the click sound. I would hate it if the the bail did not make that sound. Kind of like the cracking sound the drag makes on spinning reels. Just like and couldn't picture a spinning reel without it.
No, I am not. On the other hand, it does not bother me, if you like that sound. That sound has no real functional purpose in my eyes.
Both are good ... Tq. Good info.
Very true ✌
Great video and it made me want to ‘bail’ out on buying the shimano.
Yeah, it is a bit annoying.
I have a few Shimano reels I(Sahara, Sedona) I took off my walleye rods where presentation has to have a little more attention and skill than it does for bass fishing. I didn't much care for how easy they spin just by tipping the rod. I have found my pfluger Supreme, president, as well as my Diawa Legalis and Laguana to work much better for my jigging and especially live bait rods. That's just my opinion based off experience but it's also how as an individual I fish so it may not be like that for others
Yes, it's all about personal taste. Thanks for the info.
I have van staals , stellas, a bunch of high end reels all i fish is saltwater and by far my favorite is a $100 DAIWA FUEGO SMOOTHER AND FEELS SO MUCH BETTER THEN ALL STRADICS
Daiwa Revros Lt 4000 vs Daiwa Laguna Lt 4000 Wich better performance?
They are very similar apart from color..
thank you. good explanation. one mistake you did: the bail do brake. i have twinpower xd and stella fj, both of the bails broke. the stella just lost the strange sound(workingwell), and the tp got free from rotor and having some mechanical problem. probably my next reel will be daiwa...
I see. I guess everything can get broken. 👍
Thanks
As it ends up being many times, daiwa vs shimano is just personal preference. I have both and I like both, maybe all in all shimano have some superior products in the mid range in terms of what you get for the price, but all considered both daiwa and shimano outplay other brands in my opinion
Very true!
Hi. Is this the Fuego 20?
I use various Fuegos 2000-4000..
You didn't mention the anti reverse switch.
Well, that is mentioned on the manufacturer's website. 👍
Which band is best
Is an interesting debate over a beer. All the big brands make reels at various price points to attract sales. Generally, the more you pay, the better the reel.
With more expensive reels, the money is in what you don't see, like the quality of the internal gearing.
I.M.O, there's not much more from an engineering point of view that can be done to a reel to truly make it any better after a price point of £150. Useing an analogy. Strawberries and cream taste great, but with more cream, does it taste better. Three things matter with reels. The right reel for the right job Reliability and a responsive drag when playing fish. If you have these three in your reel it's the right reel.
Yes, both good and personal choice explained within the video.
Nice video man.
And you are so right about Daiwa.
In my opinion Daiwa takes it in 90% on any model. Even Stella vs Saltiga..
Have Stradik HG2500 and Daiwa Luvias 2508.
Great videos by the way 👏
Thanks for sharing! ✌
Couldn’t disagree more. I think the sound when you flick the bail arm over is a good thing. You don’t even need to look down to check before you cast. You can just here it.
You never need to look down at the reel. As in you know when the bail is open, when it can't go any further regardless if there is a sound or not..
I have the same Stradic, the line guide is a disaster for braided line. Also in salt water the same line guide will not last long.
Thanks for sharing.
@@AndrewsKnots I have a Daiwa BG magsealed, bought it a few years ago for salt water fishing, It comes with carbon drag washers out of the box, but honestly, I like the Stradic drag much better, even though i was very disappointed of it because of the line guide.
problem with daiwa is that the handle has to much play.. i want a shimano reel with daiqas bail... and a daiwa with shimanos line alligment
All Stradics CI4+ I had did suffer bad handle wobble. Much worse than cheaper Daiwa Fuegos..
Both brands have great products, I still have some old reels that are working fantastic these days.
I would appreciate a more objective review, obviously everyone is a bit biased and have a personal opinion however saying a click sounds is a dealbreaker is not something I can agree with.
This said if this is truly your main issue with that reel it shows how well made it if we have to talk about such minor things.
Yes, both brands make good products. I will mention once more: crack sound does not have any functional purpose; thick/sturdy bail feels way nicer for me. Again I don't care if someone likes Shimano because of these things.
I suggest you should give pflueger supreme xt a try. It is tight no movement whatsoever. it is just as smooth as the stratic. Also light and strong. A Very underrated reel.
Maybe one day. I agree, there some other than Daiwa or Shimano reels which are good. Like Okuma, Ryobi, Tsurinoya, Abu Garcia. Probably others as well.
I have been a avid fisherman for 40 years. Shimano has been the best reels during that time hands down. Not even debatable. However, I feel Daiwa has caught them. The new shimano spinning reels have a HUGE problem with the handles. I have shimano reels that are 30 yrs old and still work perfectly believe it or not. My Stradic Ci4+ that is 3 years old handle recently broke. Just broke right off when reeling in a fish. Puzzled, I went home and looked at my Stradic FK and the handle is extremely loose as in LOTS of play. It's a SERIOUS problem. Never thought handles could be the downfall of a reel but it is. I really can't believe shimano hasn't corrected this issue. I'm buying a Daiwa Ballistic or Kage tomorrow. Never thought I'd buy Daiwa again.
Ballistics LT are super reels. I have one and after a few years of using it still super smooth etc. Current Shimanos are not bad really (to mention Vanford and Stradic FL): little handle wobble, good drag, very good power transmission. Still for me thin bail on Shimanos is a no no (except Vanford 500 which feels ok because it's small).
@@AndrewsKnots as you said in the video, shimano’s bails have never really failed but the handles become a problem over time with these recent reels. Shimano still makes great reels . Just pointing out the handles could be a problem after a couple years.
I just bought a daiwa aegis. Only problem is it cant hold much line
I personally have the opposite problem most of the time 😊
@@AndrewsKnots like what happen if i catch a big fish. With only 2kg drag and a 100 yard.. i think i get spooled
I hope you may have others more strong reasons or arguments. Most people love that click sound
I don't problem with what people love.
Mantab mr andre
If you only fish fresh water then fair enough daiwa’s are excellent, but take a ‘normal’ Daiwa to do a season’s bass fishing in the salt and you will regret it in a matter of days, they have an ‘illusion’ of quality and the salt exposes this in no time at all. shimano’s however last for seasons with a little bit of care.
Fair enough.
I won't comment too much on the above as this video isn't about which survives salt water better though. 👌
@@AndrewsKnots fair point...Really enjoy your videos, keep them coming!
How about a penn pursuit 4
Can't comment.
That click sound may be a product of a detent to hold the bail open/closed. I’m not sure they purposely “made” a click. To be honest. I’ve got daiwas and shimanos and never noticed a click. I’ll have to check my reels to see if it’s there.
From what I seen, click is added intentionally just to have a click.
Makes sense to me. 👌👍🙂
I really like the click.
Thanks for sharing.
Good evening everyone, choosing between Shimano and Daiwa is difficult, they are 2 brands and 2 leaders at the same time.
In my personal opinion Daiwa has pushed more in the innovation of its products while Shimano has invested more in production.
Reels like the Exist, Certate, Luvias Shimano dreams of them.
Right. A Rolex watch doesnt tick, it sweeps. There is a reason for that. Eliminate any mechanical noises which do not have a practical purpose.
Very true. Thanks.
You seam lost? Do you fish alot? Or sit in an office. The click is a long lasting lock because the fuego and okuma and other cheap brands will close bails over time. This means bails closing mid cast snapping lures off. This is why they are made this way.
"You seam lost? " - you know better.
"Do you fish alot?" - depends on the week but somewhere 10-20 h. per week.
"fuego and okuma and other cheap brands" - Fuego is not a brand but a model of one Daiwa reels.
@@AndrewsKnots I would of thought that you didn't need everything explained but yes fuego is diawa.. if that helps you I sell them and know the direct rep in California for them but the cheaper materials won't take the same beating by fish over time as shimano. And okuma is good for the guys and gals that only fish a few times out of the year but they certainly wear out fast and then the drags shutter and don't stay consistent I see all the failures from guides burning through them every few months.
Well🤔 the bail I don’t think is a brainer its all about weight. And the noise 🤔... never even notice until now of course. Now I may change my 3 CI4 because of you. 😳... Nahhhhh😂😂Love my Shimano reels and looking forward for the new Vanford.
Hi,
Shimano's are great reels, just that bail for my taste must be improved. 👌
I think both of us can get along pretty well, Fredy. From what I can see, you like fishing for peacock bass, do you use finnese gear to catch peacocks since I love catching them using ultralight gear
the bail crack noise does not bother me at all but i like daiwa tubular bail a little better... it just feel nicer to touch when opening closing.
love your accent
Thanks