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Good news: Adobe listened to you and updated their Terms of Service. Bad news: It still spies on you.
Tony Northrup digs into the updated Terms of Service and tests their filter to demonstrate that it's overly aggressive and will still trigger on innocent images, possibly causing a human employee of Adobe to look at your private pictures. - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Dear Adobe...stay out of my stuff. I won't be renewing my subscription.
What’s a good alternative for adobe? I don’t mind learning new software if it means adobe won’t be looking at my stuff anymore.
@@Savage_D_777 Affinity - buy, own and currently half price
@@Savage_D_777 I think Affinity and DxO PhotoLab are the main alternatives.
@@Savage_D_777pixelmator pro is ok
@@i_dont_want_a_handle Luminar is also pretty cool.
They are using children as an excuse to look at your stuff
That is what all tyrants do. It is always about the children.....then they piggyback on that to deny you other rights that have nothing to do with children.
If only we could save one child...........insert crazy new law here.....
It's not even a good excuse because their detecting algyrthm absolutely sucks by the looks of it.
Jup! It’s called “virtue signalling” and you mostly encounter it in the politic sphere.
To..."reclassify 'concerning' behavior into the 'public health catcher’s mitt'” It's part of a broader, countrywide spying operation. Homeland security and other agencies gather intelligence via this kind of long established data collection. (Recently come to light. See Brennan-Clapper - DHS Committee).
Bingo! like all the other Heroes "helping us".
I quit using Adobe when they stopped selling licenses for their products. I can’t remember what year it was, it was so long ago.The thing is, if you don’t have Internet service, you can’t use your products. Who the hell wants that.???
2012 apparently. I remember that too. You could buy a license for Photoshop and the following month they tell you to go screw yourself.
Or if you ever stop paying..
God bless piratebay
I stopped using Adobe when they thought they could charge me every month for software. As a graphic designer I didn't need any services from them I just needed the software. That's all I wanted. And I refuse to pay for one product over and over and over and over again.
What ever year CS6 was. That's what I use now, because I refuse to pay the vampires.
There is a great competitive advantage here. As a photographer you can state that you ‘care and respect your client’s privacy. You don’t use Adobe products’
Bingo!
That will become as common as NO MSG at Chinese restaurants - were "Non-Adobe compliant"🤣
Or Adobe Non Compliant may be more correct.
Good to have guys like tony standing up for phographers privacy.
Yes but also the people being photographed like he said in the video.
no company today can ever be fully trusted.
Except that he's not. He's just fighting against the wind. Adobe is a private organization who's going to do what they're going to do. And as long as you sign the TOS that's on you. Y'all shouldn't have let them turn Photoshop and illustrator into a service when it isn't one. What service do you think you're paying for? Their stock image service. This was always the goal. When you pay every month for Photoshop or illustrator you're paying for them to steal your intellectual property and put it on their image service. You're paying for them to steal from you and you always were.
@@MamaMOB There are two possible outcomes that I can see:
Either - scams are outlawed, hunted down and punished severely,
Or - they are legitimized and protected as lawful business activity.
I think we know the direction we are going...
I think Tony is right. Adobe needs to realign with its function as a professional service provider, not as a nanny, not as an agent of big brother, not as a detective agency.
I guess customers all individually paying them hundreds of dollars a year isn't enough to get them to actually advocate for us.
It's not a professional service provider. It's a software manufacturer. I think it's customers who need to realign with its function as a software manufacturer.
@@user-ed7dy1mq9uand why are you paying them hundreds of dollars a year for software? Software is not a service. Adobe is not a service. It's software. You guys got taken for a ride once, twice, and now you're complaining when it's the third time?
Honestly ever since Pantone picked up their Ball, and went off back Home, with it. What reason is there to actually use Adobe? More to a point why haven't Pantone released any packages for other providers, looking at you Canva, (Affinity), and Skylum (Luminar).
As for Illustrator, there is Inkskape, and Affinity Designer for Premier, we have Resolve. Not sure what could replace After Effects though.
I’m a researcher. Our university stopped paying for Adobe after they went to the creative cloud model. We now use Affinity programs. There was a learning curve but I’m used to it. I switched to capture one for my photography after the university took away adobe and have been happy ever since.
That must've been an expansive venture for the Uni using Adobe.
I also use Affinity but I'm also a little concerned with Affinity as well. They were bought out by Canva. So because the original ppl are no longer in charge and out of the picture, Affinity products will most likely gear themselves toward the subscription-based model over time. Canva is also subscription-based. Canva also uses a cloud.
@@repeataftermeme75 It is the trend, if not the norm now. The DAW I use switched over so, as with Adobe, I am using their last version that can be owned. MS seems to buck the trend and insist we upgrade for free but you just know they are equally scamming us. Any company that gains traction opposing them gets taken over, one way or another.
If the governments cause too much trouble... 'Citizen, here's our new ToS which is automatically deemed to have been signed when you vote.'
@@repeataftermeme75 It is the trend, if not the norm now. The DAW I use switched over so, as with Adobe, I am using their last version that can be owned. MS seems to buck the trend and insist we upgrade for free but you just know they are equally sca mming us. Any company that gains traction opposing them gets taken over, one way or another.
If the gover nments cause too much trouble... 'Citizen, here's our new ToS which is automatically deemed to have been signed when you vote.'
Sorry for the spaces but my comment keeps getting deleted.
@@repeataftermeme75 The DAW I use switched over so, as with Adobe, I am using their last version that can be owned. MS seems to buck the trend and insist we upgrade for free but you just know they their own agenda. Any company that gains traction competing with them gets taken over, one way or another.
Next step... 'Citizen, here's our new ToS which is automatically deemed to have been signed when you vote.'
I’m a digital artist. The main concern is being able to adhere to NDAs with clients and companies. Only recently did the 2d industry become more open to remote positions, but I can see adobe’s terms of service causing a reverse in that progress. I foresee studios requiring all artists to work on site just so they can store the images on their own protected server. That’s a big deal to many artists that can’t afford to move or live in cities where these studios are located.
I left Adobe when it went to Creative Cloud as their T & Cs violated my client’s NDAs.
What do you use? What do you recommend?
What do you use now?
It won’t allow us to respond and say what we are using. Comments keep getting deleted.
@@Whatsgoodmydude2222 is adobe in kahoots with TH-cam?
@@Whatsgoodmydude2222That happens to me. I can't mention any website or product or anything without TH-cam deleting my comment.
Just because a human reviewed it doesn't mean the human will make the right decision either. You could be erroneously flagged by an actual person and then you have to deal with that headache.
There will absolutely be innocent people accused of wrongdoing by Adobe and they'll be forced to pay a lawyer thousands of dollars because Adobe fucked up, if they're lucky that's all that will happen.
Especially if that person is an easily offended blue-haired activist.
Yep, imagine they false flag you and report you to police that starts an investigation. Even if you are lucky and in the end, after a costly, and time and personal energy consuming legal battle, turn out innocent as you are, you will have that investigation on your record.
And guess what - they'll say it's so offensive that they can't tell you what triggered the flag.
An increasing number of Adobe’s features will send images to the cloud for no other reason than Adobe wants wants your images. The trust has been shattered and it cannot be restored.
I'm cancelling it. I use Adobe for things I make for my patients in the hospital and what they've done violates their HIPPA.
What would you recommend we use besides adobe? Up until this week I thought the only alternative was MS Paint.
@@Savage_D_777Affinity Photo/Designer/Publisher, Darktable, Capture One, DaVinci Reslove, Blender, Clip Studio Paint, Krita, Inscape, Left Angle Autograph, Kdenlive, etc
@@Savage_D_777I posted a bunch, but TH-cam’s ai moderator deleted it
De-identified health information neither identifies nor provides a reasonable basis to identify an individual. HHS hasn't adopted standards for Adobe, or cloud storage in general.
There is no such thing as truly anonymized data. You effectively have so many unique “properties” with which you end up in an “anonymous group” with exactly one member.
What a condescending lead-in from that lawyer.
Saying we don't understand their legalese, when their legalese is purposefully vague.
It was extremely condescending and intended to suggest that there's something obviously wrong with us and not them.
not a nice way to talk to the supposed to be their customers, indeed
trying to put pressure on us to actually accept the "facts" they spit to us, perhaps
She's the impersonation of how hell is paved with good intentions. It's absolutely shameful that Adobe use child abuse to get what they want.
I can't help but think they thought...let's make sure we don't use a man in a suit and tie. Let's get away from the stereotypic lawyer look and make people more comfortable with our policy by using a young woman casually dressed.
I had a food picture rejected. Pickles are naughty.
😃
As Melanie sang it all those years ago, "A thing is a phallic symbol if it's longer than it's wide!"
Pickles and a Dildo is hard to tell apart.
😂
Christmas photo session of a mother and her newborn. Photographed mom from the back, mid-back up, with her newborn baby looking over her shoulder to camera. A truly wholesome and innocent image. I attempted to use generative fill to extend the image and Adobe's filter flagged it and would not allow the fill to generate. That's just one of countless times I've encountered Adobe's "virtue filter" denying me use of features that I'm paying for.
Having Adobe employ automated detection algorithms on YOUR WORK and then humanly peeping your work is highly intrusive, and ought to be a huge red flag to photographers.
So much for artistic nudity….
I can't imagine photographers wanting to allow Adobe employees to view an exclusive photoshoot
But they now can.
@@Neil-Aspinall Why would anyone trust them, after this fiasco?
When Adobe went to a subscription service all those years ago, I cut the cord. I was told I was paranoid about cloud services and now not so much.
i agree, subscription will be the death of companies who abuse it like adobe. watch what you subscribe to. they're coming for all of us
I'm looking for a LR/PS replacement. What did you move to?
@@iandavis1355 Years ago when I made the switch, a photographer that I follow was big on Capture One and I jumped on board but nowadays I use it with Affinity Photo. I don't know if you do video, I rarely do, but I love DaVinci Resolve and they have a free version.
I just don't like the option of paying indefinitely for a product when I've been totally happy with CS6 as an individual designer for freelance and private use. It's scary how people have so quickly complied to the subscription model and all it entails
@@iandavis1355 I'm pretty sure I responded to your message but I come back and it's not here🤨. So when I stopped using Lightroom and Photoshop all those years ago, I transitioned to Aurora HDR (Now Luminar Neo I believe) and then eventually migrated to CaptureOne and still currently use that in conjunction with Affinity Photo. For video I tried Sony Vegas Pro when it was still owned by Sony and other programs before finally settling on DaVinci Resolve which is in my opinion better than Premiere Pro and actually still free.
Cancelled my subscription, paid my early cancellation fees, uninstalled all apps and moving on... Tony can you make a video on "safer" alternatives? This would help people out making the transition
Affinity Photo no sub.
@@vidworxsfx I will definitely check it out
@@vidworxsfx Ok, gonna explore..
GIMP for Photoshop. Darktable for Lightroom.
Both free and open source, so you know exactly how they work.
Capture One is an excellent RAW editor.
I'm done with Adobe. The whole "CSAM" defense is a smokescreen. No one in their right mind would defend that, but i also bet most people who deal in this trash don't upload it to Adobes cloud. You're spot on about them wanting to keep themselves and their precious AI clean.
A stranger looking at pictures of your child in the bath is the point at which an innocent photo becomes sa content. It is true.
I canceled ADOBE... purchased AFINITY.
How is the learning curve? I'm seriously considering switching. It looks like it can do everything CS6 can do.
Dumped Adobe over a year ago myself, went to ON1
Exploring alternatives.
@@TruthAndMoreTruth After more than a decade with PS, I found it hard to go to Affinity. But that pain is long-forgotten and I am more glad than ever to be Adobe-free.
50% sale ongoing now!
I've had enough. After 20 years as an Adobe customer, I am actively searching for Adobe replacements... Software that isn't a subscription, doesn't spy on you, and is made by a company you can, at least partially, trust.
I'm enjoying DxO PhotoLab. They've got a special going, 20% off. They have a library of camera body and lens profiles, and they use them to automatically render color and sharpness. You hardly have to do anything, other than crop, and tweak exposure. You CAN play with colors, but unless you're going for funky colors, the defaults are pretty damn good.
For stuff where I need layer-based editing, Affinity Photo 2 works well, for me. Together, the two cost about what a year of Adobe Photoshop and Lightroom do, and that's for lifetime licenses. No subscription.
that is the crux of it all, isn’t it?! Finding companies that are not into selling data or stealing your work, is getting harder and harder.
Affinity is fantastic. I have been using it for years, but using windows is about to be the same as this adobe situation. Windows will be taking a screenshot of your desktop every second for this new service called recall. It's time to move to apple or linux. I chose Linux.
@@agentofthewild684 Keep an eye on Steve Gibson's web site. He is planning on releasing a "recall recall" app that will disable it when and if it is activated... Steve is fantastic!
For everyone. Premier and After Effects = Davinci Resolve. PhotoShop = Affinity or any bitmap program that has layers. Illustrator = Inkscape, which has artboards and layers. Adobe Animate aka Flash or Character Animator = Procreate Art and ToonSquid. Anything 3d = Blender. Now that you have options - if you stay you agree with Adobe. It's not like you don't have the knowledge.
Someone at Adobe wants all the private child photos.....concerning. Maybe the police should take a good look at Adobe because they probably will have the biggest database of that stuff in no time.
lol good point. In 10 years there will be news that a huge CSAM provider was discovered at Adobe and everyone will be surprised how that could happen.
Have Bill Clinton and other Epstein Island alumni bought large stakes in Adobe?
This is also true!
AHH the classic Adobe line "Thank you, photographers and illustrators, for putting us in business. Now, we are putting you out of business."
Time for a video on adobe alternatives, Tony!
There are plenty of alternatives out there. Quit bitching and do your own research if you're looking for alternatives.
That's what I'm saying - videos on alternatives please.
Neo, Affinity, Devinci..
@@neostephens8980Alternatives that will use my Lightroom catalog with the information I have saved for my 179K photos and that work just as fast and well as Adobe?
Yup. I will be dropping adobe permanently. Affinity photo will be my choice from here on out. Thank you Tony for posting this. Bye Adobe, It was nice while it lasted.
Went to Affinity some 5 years ago. Never looked back. I am Adobe free.
Until Affinity introduce AI features too. And it's coming.
@@darmok072 Let's hope they watched this video and take some recommendations into account like a private mode so your family photo's aren't accidentally shared with some unknown potentially super creepy reviewer at some company that is not under any scrutiny that anyone knows of.
Or get photoshop portable. Very useful and no cloud features. Think it’s for cs5
Basically the Adobe statement said that "You, our ignorant customers just didn't understand so we're gonna paraphrase and lie to you some more..."
You said it: Adobe, stay the hell out of our files.
Canceled Adobe Photo Suite and Moved to Capture One + Affinity Photo. At this point, I wouldn’t even use their software if it was free.
I also use Capture One + Affinity Photo. A great combination for work flow.
That’s my workflow. I have recipes send images immediately to affinity. It’s actually very fast for me
I love a fired up Tony
Any artist continuing to use Adobe products is the equivalent of turkeys voting for Christmas or thanksgiving
You: In that case, yes. We always continue to use your products, Adobe.
I do glamour and boudoir photography and virtually every single photo I try to use any kind of generative fill tools on is rejected, almost every single one. It's idiotic overreaction and censorship
Yep, those are the kinds of photos that are going to get flagged 99.99999% of the time. There will be a dude whose job it is to stare at those sent his all day.
Tony, thanks for using your platform to turn up the heat on Adobe.
"Just between us... and maybe some guy at Adobe." LOL!!!
That’s discriminatory. What if it was a “gal at Adobe”, Tony?
I'm so close to running away from adobe products now... This is just an absurd breach of privacy. I work for tech companies so this would breach NDAs with their customers. 😡
Great points Tony. I have taught many classes on "Alternatives to Photoshop and Lightroom" and although there are quite a few very good Free and not-free PS alternatives, there is a huge, gaping hole in the LR alternative universe. Thanks for holding Adobe's feet to the fire.
There used to be Aperture...back in the days when Adobe was still a player in a competitive marketplace.
@@johnharvey7913 DXO and Capture One, On1 lots of good choices.
I tried to cancel Adobe like twelve times and always was ignored when I attempted to cancel. I was being double-charged and never enlisted into two subscriptions. I know this for a fact.
I went through three months of trying to cancel Adobe Stock. When I blocked them from debiting my checking account they charged me on a credit card I had removed from the account months earlier. Adobe are straight up dirt bags.
This happened to me once. I was looking at my bill and I noticed I was being charged twice for more than a year. Adobe did refund me everything though.
just tell the bank.
Im getting charged twice and their chat doesn't work is so frustrating
For all my freelance work, I left Adobe years ago. I just couldn't deal with the subscription.
So what are you using?
The irony of the government investigating Adobe for unfair practices is beyond comment.
Underrated comment. 'Government: Hey you can't do what we do, thats illegal.' XD
I would LOVE a comprehensive series on Adobe alternatives!
Thank you, Tony, for update. I cancelled all of my Adobe subscriptions last week.
The only thing Adobe understands is $$. If enough people leave, they might actually get the message. Otherwise, you’re just screaming at the clouds I’m afraid (pun intended)
In Australia by law you need to make canceling as easy as it is to subscribe.
I truly believe they've viewed/spied/analysed/used every image on each subscription holders' computer. Even though I very rarely use Photoshop because I switched to the Affinity suite maybe 4 years ago, Adobe connects to my computer automatically almost daily, claiming to be "synching files". It was one of the reasons I wanted to move away from Adobe products. Too much communication with my computer.
They are
I paused the sync option because I NEVER wanted to use the cloud. And never activated the sync. Same with Apple, I never wanted any sort of cloud service, yet they did it any way. Fuckers.
I stopped when Adobe forced subscription-only. As for cloud storage? Was it Keith Richards who said "Get off of my cloud"?
This was good 😂
Yes, me too. Every company wants a subscription model, but it's generally unsustainable for the public.
Can't wait for your alternative software videos. This is really creepy and that is too bad as I actually like their software.
Neo, Affinity, Devinci..
Tony: teach us Capture One. Adobe: Don't look at my photos. Period. I don't care about your good intentions. If a feature in Lightroom or Photoshop lets you look at my files then you need to let me know so I can turn off that feature. In fact, I want it to be completely removed from the software so that it can't be accidentally turned on. Adobe, your software is amazing and you should be proud of it. Don't let this be the hill you die on. I'm already learning Capture One and getting used to its features. Straighten up and fly right!
Thank you Tony for standing up to them! If Adobe doesn’t keep their hands away from our stuff, we’ll find alternatives.
It’s a good thing that people have options and can use a different photo editing package
Keep the pressure on Tony ! Thank you.
What a difference punctuation makes: "Keep the pressure on, Tony! Thank you."
I've never distrusted this channel, but from now on I trust it a 1000% percent. You can tell Tony doesn't care about ties, unspoken ones or not, to Adobe or anyone else, when he's saying he's gonna make an attempt at dumping Adobe.
Mic drop... "They don't want their AI model learning from these images"
Adobe's classic cancelation policy: You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.
Satanic
@@joshuaa3075 human
You can cancel. You just need to wait until the end of your subscription year.
@Tugela60 problem is LrC. There is absolutely nothing to replace that. Ditch it, and your catalog of hundreds of thousands of photos and millions of edits ...is lost. Nothing exists to migrate to. LrC is the best catalog, photo management, and editing program in existence. Unfortunate the company that provides it has chosen a path leading to them killing the businesses of their customers. It's a horrible situation.
Typical Las Vagas thing
I wonder how many people they'll have to employ to do nothing but "review" tagged images? I must be insane amounts of random images in a day.
us: ‘Adobe, these T&Cs are outrageous, we cannot trust you!’
Adobe: ‘aw, go on, you can trust us!’
us: ‘…’
Adobe:’we’re not bad, honest!’
us: ‘WE 👏 CANNOT 👏 TRUST 👏 YOU 👏’
Done screwing around with predatory corpos. Its scorched-Earth for me...I'm now willing and excited to endure new Tools, UI's, lesser features, and learning curves to work with tools from any non-toxic, non-subscription based, tech company.
Tony, I think your suggestions for improving the transparency of the process are a great step in the right direction. Adobe - pay attention!!!
Tony, you are a real asset to the worldwide photography community. I really appreciate your corporate and technical experience on top of being photographer, author and educator. Excellent points end-to-end. The structure, scope and content was great! I hope Adobe's evil and greedy overlords see this! And I hope their CEO who is ever closer to some kind of distopian advanced humanoid android 50 years from now sees this too! I'm super glad that you will begin exploring alternatives to Adobe's products. It won't be easy, but any revenue shift from Adobe to other software companies would fuel their R&D, and hopefully we might see a worthy alternative software few years from now. We need competition in this pace - even if Adobe didn't switch off their human side. This could only lead to better products for us all.
that's why i always sails the high seas
Awesome goob job Tony. Not everyone understands how these T&C work because we just want to create and be left alone. So thank you for looking into this.
What a sinister method of customer SERVICE! People have PAID for your product, they TRUST that you will keep their photos confidential and THIS is how you reward their LOYALTY! That's pretty INSULTING!
great heads up on this, Tony. I do appreciate Adobe's video response from their legal team but wish this info had been part of a larger discussion BEFORE making big changes to the TOS. Adobe should consider hitting the pause button on this set of actions until they can hear from professionals and hobbyists alike...especially considering WE helped them profit $5B!! On the subject of Adobe AI learning from our Stock photos to generate new ones for them - WE the original creators should be notified and compensated for that act. This should be true for ALL creatives - musicians, actors, writers, photographers etc...we don't get to use their products for free, they should not be able to use ours! Sincerely - Tim Durkan, Principal Photographer for the City of Seattle.
Adobe should have had both their lawyer and a consumer rights lawyer who specializes in IP to address the issue. That would generate a lot more good will.
Glad to see you expressing what a lot of us are feeling so eloquently and precisely - thank you for publishing this. Especially after the "next photo" bug in LR that came in the middle of last wedding season, I have also been exploring alternatives. We've all invested SO MUCH TIME AND EFFORT into integrating these applications into our businesses and recently it just feels like slap in the face after slap in the face from them, and it's impossible to trust that these applications will continue to be the best choice for small business owners going forward.
You nailed it, Tony. There are many programs that I could use to edit my photos as well as I can with Lightroom, but the problem with switching is tied up in the management aspect which I have become so dependent on.
Watch Photomator, it’s not there yet but they keep improving it. It’s a very slick app and I’ve got high hopes for it.
Switched to Affinity. Sucks but the learning curve will be worth it for my peace of mind.
Neo, Affinity, Devinci..
Heck, Adobe screwed us over many times prior to switching to a subscription model (and I mean all the passionate users, certified developers, distributors, educational institutions, all products from then-acquired/milked-then-abandoned Macromedia, Adobe Creative Tools, Enterprise Products etc. etc.). Back then, it was easy to assume they would screw us over again in the future after the switch, so I never onboarded. Are the shinanigans of late surprising? Not one bit.
THIS IS A MUST WATCH VIDEO!!! WELL SAID TONY!!! (had to do it all in caps!!)
As an art nude photographer I can't use Gen AI...I get the warning notice constantly. There are ways around it but it's a waste of time
I never use, or have ever used, cloud services. I have always felt that it is like handing Your stuff to a stranger. Instead I use different NAS setups as my private cloud. I didn't know that some AI functions need cloud access, I am very thankful that You told me about this. I have managed my work without this for 20 years, so I will just keep doing what I have done. You rock Tony!!!!!
Yes, I agree with Alltomhusbilen that NAS (Network attached storage) can work as a private cloud. You can access it from anywhere in the world. You will have to pay approximatelyt at least $1,000 up front for a reliable NAS system + hard drives. That’s not including the setup fee it you don’t know how to set it up yourself. However, this system will last a long time. In the long run, it will be much cheaper than cloud storage fee that you pay the cloud companies. The greatest benefit is your data Won't Be HELD HOSTAGE by the cloud companies.
This is part of the problem with SaaS in general.
Not like back in the day when you bought a program and could use that software for as long as you want. Now everything has to have access to the internet so your access can be revoked when you object to the new rules or subscription fee raises.
Adobe is constantly flagging my stuff like what it did with Tony's image here. Sometimes it's obvious what it thinks somehing is, other times I'm completely at a loss as what it thinks it's looking at. But what bothers me is that when Adobe flags something, it asks me to send my image for review to a human so that they can 'learn' where their AI is wrongly flagging images. I'm annoyed at the constant false positives for terms violations, but I also don't want anyone and everyone being able to see all my images.
I have to agree Tony. This is Big Brother all over again. Let law enforcement do their job. Rewrite all EULAs and make them emphasize our privacy not their "concerns." Thanks for the post.
I have already sent an email to my customers, telling them that I can no longer use Adobe software for sensitive content.
My first week with Affinity Photo wasn't bad but changing habits isn't easy 😅
We need videos on this!
Neo, Affinity, Devinci..
I take it back. You can't batch rename in Neo and exporting something like a portrait session takes 3 days.. So close.
Tony: You know that anytime your data is on someone else's server, they "can" look at it (unless you have it encrypted with your keys), NO MATTER WHAT THEY TELL YOU (e.g., Google, Microsoft, et al.). ANYONE NOT UNDERSTANDING THIS SHOULD NOT PUT THEIR DATA ON SOMEONE ELSE SERVES UNLESS THEY DON'T CARE! PERIOD!
BEST SOLUTION HERE: CANCEL YORU ADOBE ACCOUNT(S)!
Excellent post Tony. Keep the pressure on and I will also be looking for an alternative, no matter what Adobe does at this point.
Thank you for posting this. Your diligence is appreciated.
Thank you for keeping people updated!
Well done, Tony.
Awesome Tony! Crack that whip!!! We need more people like you. I’m curious what you find for photo editing options. I’ll be looking to switch also.
"think of the children" has been the most common and most abused phrase in the world. There is no corner of hell deep enough for those people who create and spread CSAM but Adobe will not be the ones to put them there. Even if they did find illegal material, they need to outline what they would do once they found it. And I personally believe that as long as they keep invading all of their users' privacy, they should be held criminally and financially liable for every instance of CSAM that they do not find/report.
Thanks for staning up for us Tony. Please keep speaking out.
If you trust Adobe to "do the right hing" you're going to have a bad time.
The following alternatives are available on MAC or PC, and have perpetual or subscription licenses available:
Adobe LightRoom = Capture One
Adobe Photoshop = Affinity Photo
Adobe Illustrator = Affinity Designer (or CorelDraw)
Adobe Indesign = Affinity Publisher (or QuarkExpress)
Adobe Premier = Davinci Resolve
Yes, but Affinity was bought out by Canva which is subscription and cloud-based. So it will most likely only be a matter of time before Affinity falls victim.
I totally agree with your suggestions. Especially informing us individually when an image has been viewed by an human. They should provide a screenshot of what they saw too with an employee code as reference. So if we see our image online we can track back to the person who leaked it. Now that’s transparency.
Get ready for a flood of business ON1 Photo Raw and Affinity Photo!!!
Agree Tony. Thanks for the update and sharing
Thank you for taking the time and making the effort to do this. I for one really appreciate it. Your voice magnifies the concerns many times over, informs Adobe users and probably gets Adobe's attention in a way that any of us individual subscribers could never achieve.
I've watched your videos for years. Just wanted to take a moment to thank you for quality content and for looking out for your subscribers.
The harsh truth is that many consumers/creators are so deeply invested in Adobe products that it would be extremely difficult and time consuming to move away. Finding alternate products and then the learning curve… just a mission! And then there are the third party plugins that can’t be replaced unless the developers adapt their plugins to be used with other products. How would they choose which products though? Nah, I think Adobe has us by the balls folks. Just keep up the good work holding them accountable. Chip away until they get into line. Thanks for what you’re doing Tony
I don’t want to lose functionality of all my plugins 😭
I switched to ON1. The learning curve was easy and my Topaz plug ins work just fine. Come on in, the waters fine.
As soon as I find another photo editing software, I will leave Adobe.
Gimp is free, maybe give it a try.
Affinity Photo (one-time paid service). GIMP or PhotoPea if you want a free program. PhotoPea is browser-only.
Avoid Capture One, same exact kind of assholes.
Affinity Photo 2 is under $40, if you don't need cross platform versions. It's a pretty good Photoshop substitute. That's for a lifetime license. For a Lightroom alternative, I like DxO PhotoLab 7. DxO has a 20% off special on lifetime license.
Affinity Photo! On sale now!
Thanks for investigating this further, Tony. I've been warning people on the net that Adobe's explanation of their ToS says they may analyze locally stored files while being processed in their apps using aspects of their cloud-based AI tools. A lot of people missed this, particularly the naysayers.
Great video and showing all the angles of this issue.
Gave up on adobe long ago
Simple…. Let us buy, outright the product. My PayPal account was recently cancelled, endless subscriptions to services I don’t use. Let us buy, outright all it product
The VERY FIRST THING I did when Adobe went to CC was disabling Syncing and getting their domains so I could block all but authentication and software updates. Sure, I don't get to use AI stuff, but that's ok. I don't want to.
The awkward glasses removal at the start is hilarious
I don’t get the drama. Why finding excuses to still let them go through your media? Just dump Adobe for once. They’ll never learn unless this hits their pockets.
If I use a knife to murder someone, KitchenAid is not liable. If I run over someone, Tesla is not liable. If I use Photoshop to edit a counterfeit dollar bill, again, Adobe is not legally liable. There's absolutely no reason for Adobe to look at my work, private images, and my creations for ANY reason whatsoever. By looking at my work, and granting themselves a MANDATORY license (through a forced TOS) to use my work in any way they see fit, even my clients' privacy and potential intellectual property is being violated.
I agree!! Encryption and transparency of what has been viewed is essential!!
Thank you again Tony for highlighting this and following up! ❤