Maschine Expansions Sound Better on AKAI MPC Live? Kit Maker 2.0 Update

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  • @KitMakerApp
    @KitMakerApp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    We've also got another big update coming... 😬 Soon you will be able to drag-and-drop virtually ANY sample pack into Kit Maker and have it instantly process it! Stay tuned!
    Great video Ave!

    • @crashbang999
      @crashbang999 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Can you do MPC expansions to Maschine?

    • @zombiekartel3147
      @zombiekartel3147 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      What’s the latest version?

    • @poppawatt
      @poppawatt 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do the NI project files work in Ableton? Can you get the NI project files to work in FL?

    • @KitMakerApp
      @KitMakerApp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@crashbang999 no we don’t make presets for Maschine , sorry

    • @KitMakerApp
      @KitMakerApp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@zombiekartel3147 latest version is 2.1.x but the upcoming version will be 2.2.

  • @kb420ps
    @kb420ps 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Ok @Ave Mcree, I gotta give you some props on this. I've been a Maschine user for a while now, and I actually own all of the NI Maschine expansions. I just bought a MPC X, and I've been just stealing the samples from my Maschine library sample by sample, one at a time. This really does make it a lot easier. This is great. I'm also a Push2/Live 11 Suite user, and I haven''t even begun to use Kit Maker for live Drum Racks yet.

  • @paoloa424
    @paoloa424 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I recently just bought the MPC Live 2 after owning the Maschine MK3 for about 6 months and I thought I’d be wasting money but now I don’t feel so bad. Stand-alone is definitely better, especially since I travel for work. Maschine+ just aint it. But I’m glad that I can use my purchased kits from NI now with my MPC

  • @MusicianParadise
    @MusicianParadise 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    wow! how did I missed Kit Maker ? it opens so many possibilities! That beat at the end sounds so good!

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah its great & thanks

  • @iameags
    @iameags 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Probably hear it 1000 times from others. That beat is on fire. I rewind it 10 times already...

  • @colbyisart
    @colbyisart 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Such a good beat. Everytime I see you use a mpc I want one. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @Sinosure
    @Sinosure 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice cook up near the end!! I have Kit Maker & its a dope piece of software!! It was the answer Akai needed!!

  • @johnniejackson3154
    @johnniejackson3154 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Now this is hands down one the best vids ever. Dope track. 🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁&🎧
    Some vocals on that.

  • @jowhar4794
    @jowhar4794 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m so happy to see stuff like this is available. I own almost all of the NI expansions and just ordered a mpc live 2 today and was racking my brain on how I can use my sounds. I was almost just gonna use the new unit only to sample records and do boom bap musicAnd then this video came up now I can do it all. Can’t wait until my unit arrives Thanks for the information

  • @jerzboybeats
    @jerzboybeats 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man I just made kits on my own for Nano studio. I’ll be updating tonight. I already have my whole Native Instrument library in BeatMaker.

  • @peterkadarmusic9728
    @peterkadarmusic9728 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ave man you are my new hero! I just did everything you said here (I'm on a Mac) and it definitely works. Downloaded Street Swarm and I'm gonna grab a few more. Any other recommendations??
    It's important to go into the Preferences tab in Kit Maker and enable Choke Hi Hats in the Maschine Libararies box if you want your hats to choke in the MPC. Otherwise, you'll have to go in and edit each program manually. There's also an option to Group Toms which I haven't checked out yet, but it doesn't seem as important.
    Really dope video man. I can't thank you enough.

  • @bio303
    @bio303 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Didn't know about Kit Maker. Great video! About to hit buy!

  • @Smoothhh_One
    @Smoothhh_One 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for sharing this. This is hard. Now I know what to do with all my NI expansions

  • @mrCharlesG
    @mrCharlesG 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm so glad I saw this right when Native Instruments just had their 9 for $99 deal. OMG having so much fun playing Faded Reels on my live 2! thanks Ave

  • @apod_det
    @apod_det ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, going to purchase this tool today. In case you didn’t know, a great shortcut to open an explorer window is windows button then E. It’s a giant timesaver.

  • @LCondabeat
    @LCondabeat 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Man you created a whole vibe with the beat tho!! bless

  • @funguy29
    @funguy29 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love Live 2 Love Maschine Expansions 👍

  • @umanoid1523
    @umanoid1523 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I picked up kit maker last month to convert a few Maschine kits to use in Ableton. Thought it would help with workflow instead of sketching in machine and exporting stems to Ableton. unfortunately I was pretty disappointed. A lot of Maschine expansion packs aren't just samples. Often they can be massive instruments or samples with effects chains so unfortunately you lose some sounds in the translation. This of course doesn't happen in all of them. I also made some random kits by creating kitmaker folders and loading them with some random samples then let it spit out some kits for me. This was pretty cool.

  • @juno433
    @juno433 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m digging the beat!

  • @atraktmillyonzmusic
    @atraktmillyonzmusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wanna get that MPC live 2 retro so bad ....makes me even more motivated to get back to making beats everyday and brings back memories of when I first started making beats....just waiting on that $600 check they suppose to be sending us!💯

  • @mauricewade5358
    @mauricewade5358 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    NI Instruments on a MPC is a dangerous work flow. Beat is fire

  • @pwho405
    @pwho405 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Machine user here and we don't mind sharing our toys but don't get too cocky

    • @michaeltrenier
      @michaeltrenier 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed 😎

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      lol at cocky...

    • @Sinosure
      @Sinosure 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Shhhhhhiiiiiiiiiddddddd, I'm a Maschine user as well, but those expansions are going in my Live too!!😁😁😁😁😁

    • @RodneyD
      @RodneyD 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Maschine user as well... Those expansions will be glad excepted in my MPCX. Now i can finally sell this trash Maschine!!

    • @pwho405
      @pwho405 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RodneyDyeah it aint fa everybody. It took me about 7 or 8 months before I didn't hate it.

  • @warisaracket8808
    @warisaracket8808 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ave, Samples from Mars site has all their samples from last 7 years on sale for $39, they have high quality samples of old synths and drum machines and rare stuff like soviet synths

  • @rogeronealjr8051
    @rogeronealjr8051 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man those beats in the beginning were hard as hell!!!!!!

  • @tee2008j
    @tee2008j 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ave, the current version on the site is 2.1.1 for PC and 2.1.2 for Mac users just a heads up thank you for all that you do...

  • @RetroKenesis
    @RetroKenesis 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You BODIED that jawn bro💪🏼💪🏼🙌🏽

  • @MentPlus
    @MentPlus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dope tool for NI expansions

  • @Immanuel11.11
    @Immanuel11.11 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks AVe. Dude I been on the fence about getting the LIve II and recently saw it used for $700. I am a Native Instruments Maschine user and had been looking at the Live II for sometime now trying to give myself more reason to get it. lol. This really closed the deal for me cuz I was telling myself I had to much invested to move into the MPC Live II world. For me I dont know if it will sound better per se but it cant sound worse. I 'll have to see for myself. Cheers

  • @kahlilsmith5243
    @kahlilsmith5243 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That CookUp is Crazy Bro!

  • @thaexception3406
    @thaexception3406 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great one here - informative and beat Niice!

  • @fredicagoillanoise1309
    @fredicagoillanoise1309 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That beat is chill as hell Ave!! SALUTE

  • @dw688
    @dw688 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tune is bangin👨🏾‍💻🔥

  • @BIG1TOWER
    @BIG1TOWER 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    These samples sound really good

  • @RoneySmithseedoflife
    @RoneySmithseedoflife ปีที่แล้ว

    I totally missed the truth of the many formats that KitMaker provides especially for the various iOS apps! 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🎯🎯🎯🎯♥️♥️♥️♥️🎯♥️

  • @ericwells7209
    @ericwells7209 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ave you know you just started a war fam but it’s all good Maschine user for life, and the plus too, do more videos on the plus fam. Nice beat

  • @nickdeezproductionz
    @nickdeezproductionz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just got kit maker and I figured out to make all the previews work you have to edit the name in the preview folder so it matches the program name exactly, I tried on street swarm and it played all the previews.

    • @jakejesuss
      @jakejesuss 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Where is the previews folder within the kits?

    • @nickdeezproductionz
      @nickdeezproductionz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jakejesuss it should be in the same folder with the samples I think it says [previews] I haven’t made one in a while

    • @jakejesuss
      @jakejesuss 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’ll try it again. I noticed that in other videos, but for some reason my Maschine expansions have the previews in a folder labeled “NBPL”

  • @PatGently
    @PatGently 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro that track is on fire!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @JDiggiti
    @JDiggiti 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just copped , thx for the recommendation

  • @dynamicfreqz1112
    @dynamicfreqz1112 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Media Chance supposedly has the same thing for FREE. People have compared it to Kit Maker on Reddit. I just bought a Live 2, so I'm doing some studying before setting it up, and I just found out about the Free Software. They do accept donations, so if it works as well as Kit Maker, it's probably a good move to lookout for software designers that look out for us. $30.00 seems a bit steep for me, but I don't know how long it took Kit Maker to design the app. So I can't make a judgement. I was still going to buy it, but if the free works just as well, I'll go with free. I was just going to label the folders myself, and build my kits by hand with the .wav files originally. I've basically been doing that since I started making music, I'm still trying to figure out why the kit making software is needed. I feel like I'm missing something due to being new, so I didn't want to format folders wrong for the MPC. It seems like it works the same as a PC when it comes to folders and sounds. Most of my music experience has been Ableton Suite, FL, and Reason. Most of my hardware experience comes from cheap keyboards and midi controllers, and I'm brand new to hands on with the MPC. I own an MPK, but I know they're apples and oranges.

  • @Genshi
    @Genshi 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Instant subscribed thanks to this video! Great content!

  • @h-dawg969
    @h-dawg969 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I own the maschine mk3 but really want to be standalone. There’s an mpc live for sale second hand in my area, but I haven’t got it as I was worried about leaving behind all my NI software and expansions. Seeing this and knowing I can convert all my ni expansions to work seamlessly with an mpc is honestly so sick!
    It’ll be a new workflow I have to learn but I think you’ve just finalised my decision on whether or not I should grab this 2nd hand mpc live.
    I reckon it will be a much better option to grab the live rather than selling my mk3 and getting maschine plus.
    Any maschine users out there who went on to use mpc, how easy was the transition, and how long did it take for you to feel comfortable that your mpc beats were at a similar level as your previous maschine projects?

  • @atomman40
    @atomman40 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Smooth Fam......

  • @FCTHETRUTH
    @FCTHETRUTH 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hypnotize minds hoody fire lowkey!

  • @djmelleonkingixl4657
    @djmelleonkingixl4657 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yo! That beat was 🔥🔥🔥

  • @ricoeab2
    @ricoeab2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beat at the was 🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @WeFullTime
    @WeFullTime 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If it allowed us to add N.I.'s expansion pictures to the Kits that would be dope, like how you can in MPC Expansion Builder.

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      well you can use the mpc expansion builder & do that now but I see your point.

  • @83elcamino1
    @83elcamino1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That beat is fire🔥🔥🔥

  • @jhsmith1183
    @jhsmith1183 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The only thing is you don't get the fx chain which makes a big difference imo

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't like all those effects.. Honestly don't like NI's effects except Raum & Phasis.

  • @kinglimmualproductions9928
    @kinglimmualproductions9928 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good 1... keep it ⬆️...be Blessed ⛽⬆️🚀

  • @SAPCITY1
    @SAPCITY1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You DID THAT TRACK BRO.....JAMMING.

  • @corybraud7543
    @corybraud7543 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have you tried loading the converted xpm programs on the force? Hoping if works the same if so im copping, thks! now I can actually make use of these NI kits!

    • @AveMcree
      @AveMcree  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They work the same way.

  • @TylerDurdenXIII
    @TylerDurdenXIII 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    very good App thanks for Ableton Push fast load complete kit

  • @andrewseymour5541
    @andrewseymour5541 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Butter

  • @robertroach7807
    @robertroach7807 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice vid my brother...been thinking about using this same process. was the sample pulled from the expansion pulled from the same kit ?

  • @KM-hh1kn
    @KM-hh1kn 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    🔥🔥🔥 as beat beat bro

  • @mattiaslundin5068
    @mattiaslundin5068 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dope that Kit Maker now have previews but what do you mean by saying Maschine expansions sound better on Akai MPC? Why do they sound better? And also I guess you still loose all instruments. You only get the samples, right?

  • @ShogunNagasaki
    @ShogunNagasaki 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    dope cookup

  • @MrMrtsmith72
    @MrMrtsmith72 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you the only thing I hated about live 2 was the sounds are trash ..this completes it for me..I also have a mk3

  • @drastic209562
    @drastic209562 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That sweater tho 🤘🏽

  • @djruffbeats
    @djruffbeats 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    dope

  • @bdoesmusic
    @bdoesmusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Ave. Can you do a video on how to use NI MASCHINES daw to make kits for kit maker with maschines factory drum library. And could it be the easiest way possible to do this because I have no expansions from maschine and I have the MPC ONE. And I find that just the factory drum kits that came with maschine are great!

  • @DJShortCut187
    @DJShortCut187 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the video! I have one question. I convert my Maschine expansion with the Kit Maker as described in the video and also use exactly as shown the MPC Expansion Tool. However, when I then load the individual programs in the MPC software, each of the individual programs always contains the same sounds. What am I doing wrong? Have I overlooked something? I would be very happy about an answer and help! Greetings from Germany!

  • @jamespilkington
    @jamespilkington 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wanted to ask. Are there samples missing from the maschine kits when you turn them into mpc kits(files)? It sounds like samples are missing like on the uncolored pads or is that how it’s laid out on maschine too? There seems like there’s unassigned pads where a sample should belong. Hope you understand what I’m asking in my jumbled question. Thanks.

    • @jamespilkington
      @jamespilkington 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Okay so I found out not all the samples are there. I really don’t think it’s worth it. I got that stupid street storm or whatever the fuck and it’s just a bunch of drum samples. It’s trash don’t invest in this it’s not worth it at this point is your looking to convert maschine to mpc. Think everyone should know that.

  • @illbdem
    @illbdem 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Let me know where I can get that beat from. Sounds like Number 1 hit.

  • @D84D
    @D84D 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    damn I just want kick bars Brooo!!!

  • @Weare1tv
    @Weare1tv 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    NOW I WANT STREET SWARM

  • @chenchaso39
    @chenchaso39 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    also awesome video where can I find the one that you mention about the best expansions for type of genre you create.

  • @uselessvideo
    @uselessvideo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yo Ave how did you update your kit maker? I just opened mine after several months and I don't see any options above in the toolbar to update, and it didn't give me a prompt when I first opened it. Is there someplace on the website that you have to go to first?

    • @bparkpark1764
      @bparkpark1764 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Looking for the same info bro. Nevermind, you have to setup an account with Gumroad if you already own it and it will be in the library section.

    • @KitMakerApp
      @KitMakerApp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      When you purchase Kit Maker, you will get a receipt and own the product on Gumroad. You just need to download the latest from the Gumroad website. We also will email all customers when a new update becomes available :)

    • @uselessvideo
      @uselessvideo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@KitMakerApp Thanks I'll search my emails.

  • @Compumon27
    @Compumon27 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn Ave!

  • @jdub630
    @jdub630 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice.

  • @cmwilliams357
    @cmwilliams357 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello sir,
    I have a question for you. Is it possible to convert the MPC expansion to work within Native Instruments Maschine or Battery.
    Thank you in advance.

  • @AlRocc
    @AlRocc 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about converting MPC expansion for Native instruments?

  • @jessymina
    @jessymina 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So you can still convert the expansions to the One, you just can't host the files from your SD card on the MPC One? That'd just mean you have to have it loaded into the MPC software AND to the SD Card right?
    Also hope you're doing well Ave. Big ups on still uploading content man.

    • @brandonsmith2594
      @brandonsmith2594 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can use the expansions on your mpc one and on your sd card

  • @justhrillz3245
    @justhrillz3245 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beat 🔥🔥🔥

  • @gsmith11172
    @gsmith11172 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you done a video on Preset Maker yet

  • @pieternooten
    @pieternooten ปีที่แล้ว

    I have my Maschine expansions on an external drive. If converted to MPC will these new folders be accessible in MPC Studio via the external drive?

  • @HNIC00
    @HNIC00 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you see the art work on the mpc like u do on the Maschine

  • @natanletthem
    @natanletthem 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good shit Ave. I got a question. How do y'all know where the notes are on the pads? Is it just from playing on it so much, and you get used to it or what? Or is there some kind of way to understand the pads like a keyboard?...SBN RESONATE

  • @djgeorgieporgie7862
    @djgeorgieporgie7862 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thumbs up 👍 gang we here

  • @jakejesuss
    @jakejesuss 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How did you get the previews in there. mine aren't automatically coming over

  • @Allogettingmoney
    @Allogettingmoney 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Those happy unintended mistake demostrations that actually turn out to be hits lol

  • @djlatenight7900
    @djlatenight7900 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not sure what I did wrong but I’ll get the drums but not the instruments

  • @jreid100
    @jreid100 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. Question, after creating a mpc expansion do I need to keep the samples I used to create the mpc expansion on my hard drive or are the individual samples contained inside the created expansion?

  • @tyreepenn-hasan6307
    @tyreepenn-hasan6307 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ave, I have a MPD 232. How do they work with the MPC Software? I play keys but I like the vibe I get from pad composing and was wondering if I can make it work in the mpc software or if I should get a dedicated mpc unit like the Renn/Studio/One/Live/X?

  • @salvuserus1763
    @salvuserus1763 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pure Poly 3ffect 7unk

  • @gsmith11172
    @gsmith11172 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was wondering if I were to use Kit Maker will it get the full samples? When you load up the kit in Maschine they have truncated the sample and you make it longer on the Maschine sample edit. Or will like what the preview gives you when browse for sounds?

  • @KnowledgeOfSelf144
    @KnowledgeOfSelf144 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder can you do NI vst's in general that would be fantastico 🏁🏆

  • @Bigheadedwon
    @Bigheadedwon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    question, if I bought Kit Maker, how much would I lose when an expansion has Battery kit? I bought the Dj Khalil artist expansion when I thought I had an Mk3 coming but I ended up getting a One. I know this kit has a ton of drums in it. So I'm thinking since Kit Maker doesn't do anything with the Battery kits I'll end up losing a good portion of the expansion right?

  • @95Nyer
    @95Nyer 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any way to go the other way and convert MPC expansions to Maschine?

  • @pid58
    @pid58 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey is pad color missing or is it just me?

  • @ShineRecordings
    @ShineRecordings 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can I assign a loop for each Pad!? not single shot or sample, I mesn a whole Loop. so can I assign 16 Loops to the 16 Pads?

  • @TheAudioCzar
    @TheAudioCzar 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    would I need this if I'm using MPC beats?

  • @repoman5581
    @repoman5581 ปีที่แล้ว

    So do the drums sound better on mpc.

  • @jeffcohen9017
    @jeffcohen9017 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The cyber sale ends today Dec 7th!

  • @Bigheadedwon
    @Bigheadedwon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This looks awesome, since this only converts the Maschine kits, do you know of anything that will convert the battery kits? Google's not turning up much of anything. I'm assuming there has to be a lot of goodness in the Battery kits in the NI expansions that have them. I ordered a Maschine Mk3 but Fedex lost it, was a sign I should get the MPC One. I'm curious about what I'll lose if I buy a few NI Expansions (Khalil, Magnetic Coast) and run them thru Kit Maker. Looks like the Battery stuff, but I'm not even sure what's in a battery kit outside of the wavs. I know NI expansions have wavs for everything, but I'm guessing not having the Battery Kits you'll lose something. If you read this and know anything I'm all ears. I think either way I'm probably going to go with the MPC One, but I am wondering about the Battery thing.

    • @JuliusDeBerryJr
      @JuliusDeBerryJr 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you ever find out anything for battery?

  • @Rqmod
    @Rqmod 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    does this work only on expansion or regular maschine folders too

  • @RunTheTrackMusic
    @RunTheTrackMusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    PLEASE tell me where you got that sweatshirt from! Shit is on FIRE!!!!!

  • @Reggi_Sample
    @Reggi_Sample ปีที่แล้ว

    😮😮😮

  • @squalley
    @squalley ปีที่แล้ว

    10:10 insert stank face here 😬

  • @agustinbernal2760
    @agustinbernal2760 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, what usb does mpc plus have?